What an absolute legend. It's so weird to see Buddhists who don't think veganism is important. Being vegan is a massive step toward reducing the suffering we inflict on others.
Just want to share some films with you guys to really understand more deeply what he is saying: "Earthlings", "Forks over Knives", "Cowspiracy", "Speciesism", "From Farm to Fridge" ... that's a good start! Peace to all of you :D
not proven whatsoever. give me your unbiased proof that doesn't come directly or indirectly from animal agriculture companies and groups. plant based eating is just as healthy as meat eating, if not healthier. my sister has been eating vegan for 6 years and is very healthy and has raised a big fat baby boy with 0 defects to either of them. animal fat is some of the most toxic yet edible stuff to have in your system. i know you wont change your mind from anyone at this time because you have some obvious strong concepts and beliefs that you were raised with and wont do any research with and open mind until you're further down the path. perhaps you could do with a little of the buddhism stuff (i highly recommend, with a skeptical mind though). as condescending as it sounds, try letting go of your self importance a little bit, it cannot hurt. (i have also been vegan for a year and since have put on weight [im chronically skinny, metabolism related] and cured my psoriasis as a direct result. this is not a placebo as i was also very skeptical of the diet when i first began.) cheers.
This guy really applies the spirit of the teachings and is not stupidly literal by following some rules developed for the world as it was thousands of years ago. So he talks about the environment, about eating vegan because compassion takes him there.
I remember several years ago seeing a UA-cam video of a supposedly advanced Buddhist monk (he was an American man), answering a question about vegetarianism. He essentially said that the Buddha forbade directly killing any sentient being, but that since when you buy meat you're not directly killing, that's fine. I thought it was embarrassingly, shamefully, self-serving, legalistic, and dogmatic. The worst of religion. Following the 'teachings' to the letter of the law and using creative rhetoric to justify whatever you already believe. My attitude is 'who cares?'. If that's what the scriptures say, why should I obey it unquestioningly? What's it really about if I consider things afresh right now? Free-thinking, compassion, and so on. OH ACTUALLY the video just popped up in the related column. ua-cam.com/video/TSwtv7VqMh0/v-deo.html Watch this and cringe. A lesson not to toady to authority.
It depends on the tradition. Vjarayana Buddhism does not allow monks to eat meat whether it’s from someone who had done the butchering. Anything that had caused suffering they are minimising it that they cannot eat animal products where other people had gathered. I don’t think Buddha or Vjarayana Buddhist would eat any animal products at all.
Thank you so much having this straight vegan position ❤️🙏🌱 we all should be vegan. All of us want to be happy, including non-human animals. May all beings be safe and happy.
Well said!! I’m vegan, and I don’t drink alcohol. I could learn a lot from this guy. I still need to find my sense of peace and a sense of purpose in life. Depression has really gotten the better of me, and losing my dad last year was just horrible. My mother told me that I used to listen to his lectures when I was a toddler 2-3 years old.
Sorry for your loss.Life will always throw curb balls and tests.Mourning for the dead is a normal process.Please note they would want you to be happy and live and enjoy life because life is such a gift.Focus on making yourself happy with things you love(hobbies,rituals, etc).
Very good, very good. Wonderful. Compassion is at the core of Buddhism. I bow to the Venerable Thich Nhat Hanh. May your example spread to all Buddhists and also non Buddhists..
So revived to hear this comming from one of the worlds most well renowned Masters. So many spiritual teachers are more concerned with personally offending people for doing the wrong thing and contributing to the madness, indifference and sheer disregard for the trauma, torture and torment suffered by other living beings. Simply to unecessarly consume chickens periods and baby cows mothers cercreated mucus. No dancing around the subject so humans can feel okay about continuing in barbaric, primative, and ridiculous behaviour. Just truth. My comment does not reflect his Grace, suttle manner and beauty. Nor does What Animals are enduring. Sahdhu Master Thay.. Now to breath in deeply..and breath out slowly. 😊
for breakfast i like to smash the chicken period shells open and blend them all together and then cook them in a pan . after that i put them on some toast with burned pig flesh and a big frosty glass of cow mucus. Not everyone is squeamish I've killed many animals with my own hands. Nature isn't a kind place and you part of it. animals used to live where you live.
Why? to greatly reduce suffering of non human animals. So simple, yet so many try to find excuses around it... just TRY almond milk or some plant based eggs. I swear it tastes even better than the animal derived ones. And wayyyy better for you and the planet!!
@@Son_of_aesthetics Honey has devastating effects on the environment and creates a lot of suffering. Chickens have been genetically bred to lay eggs every day, they only lay like 12 a year typically. Plus, the suffering for those chickens is immense. All baby male chicks are crushed and wasted in the egg industry. Plus, maple syrup is better for your health than honey and eggs are hands down a driver of heart disease.
@@SparklySarah Thank you actually for answering my question with all you knew,it meant for me cuz you see I asked that question a year ago! anyway,people used eggs of different birds and even lizards through history even the time we were not able to cause them any change in their genes to lay more eggs,this is the first time I heard,but I mever knew so I will search for it. But even though I do not see a problem in that,and about honey,it is a miraculous nutrient I do not think it is wise to let it get wasted by not using it lol But we all have to be thankful towards the animals for their help rather than not take it
Thank you for posting. I did a long retreat with Thich Nhatt Hanh in Vermont in 2000. I pointed out to one of the monks that wearing leather shoes and a down jacket did not match what they were teaching us. This monk accused me of being angry and told me I needed to look at my anger. He avoided my question and took no responsibility for how he and the other brothers and sisters were dressed. I stopped following Plum Village after that. I'm so glad to hear about the changes over the years.
My beloved teacher, what a wonderful lesson. Hopefully all religions would teach people to be truly compassionate to ALL BEINGS. Thank you so much, dear Thay.
Love for animals is the reason I went Vegan. The serenity I find through meditation is the reason I am Buddhist. I'm not unique, just ahead of my time.
The Zen Master (Thay) is as the Buddha alive. We are greatly thank you for your teaching. May you return to the Earth to help all beings reduce their suffering.
nothing is perfect...we as humans kill other being by just living ..we step on ants, etc...but we can at least stop neadlessly killing for no reason other than taste! ..he is right, but we as humans can at least do the least we can by becoming vegan!
¡¡TODO MI AMOR POR THICH NHAT HANN!! Ya estaba pensando que todes les maestres de budismo caían en la incoherencia del especismo. Me siembra ganas de seguir en éste camino ♥ ♥ ♥ All of my love to Thich Nhat Hann! I was thinking all buddhist great teachers were falling in this inconsistency of speciesism. He returned my faith in this path ♥♥♥
Exacto! Es decepcionante escuchar las justificaciones absurdas de las monjes budistas de Theravada y Tibetanos que siguen consumiendo carne. Es absurdo en pleno siglo XXI
Vegetable foods , recipes and hotels should be popularise all over the world . Vegetable and fruit plants should be planted all over the world as much as we can
🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽Nam Mô A Di Đà PHẬT 🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽 THẦY vẫn ở mãi trong LÒNG của CHÚNG CON❤️❤️❤️ 🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽 THẦY vẫn ở mãi trong LÒNG của CHÚNG CON 🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽 ❤️❤️❤️ THẦY vẫn ở mãi trong LÒNG của CHÚNG CON ❤️❤️❤️ 🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽 Namo AMITABHA 🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽 THẦY vẫn ở mãi trong LÒNG của CHÚNG CON❤️❤️❤️ Dear TEACHER, You will forever stay in our HEART and our MIND ❤️❤️❤️
Die Lehre ist wundervoll. Ich war schon vegan bevor ich seine Lehre kannte. Auch liebte ich Gott, konnte mich allerdings keiner Religion anschliessen. Durch seine Lehre faellt alles auf seinen Platz. Gott besteht aber unsere Aufgabe als Menschen liegt in seiner Lehre. Seine Buecher sind tief veraendernd und absolut empfehlenswert.
I'm vegan for justice for animals. You can call it compassion. I call it justice. For justice must exist even where love and compassion do not or no longer exist. Justice can be established as a principle, as a system, which is imposed on all others.
A simple test of the claim that Pleasure outweighs pain in this world Is to compare the feelings of the animal That is devouring another animal To those feelings of the animal That is being devoured. Man is the crudest animal.
Good question young man! I'd like to be a vegan too but I'm allergic to many things, so I have to settle for vegetarianism. Not as good i know, but it's something :-)
@@trship6274 meat alternatives like tofu, seitan and tempeh. Plant milks like oat and soy. Plenty of plant cheeses and yohurts out there that don't derive from nuts. It's not just fruit and veg.
I have chickens in my yard, and they are incredibly happy and free. They are here to eat ticks because I keep getting lyme disease without them. I give the eggs away, [I am allergic] but I promise you my chickens aren't suffering.
Sue Brickman Exactly. You can't have more than one male, so they just go into giant shredders (alive!) because they are "unnecessary". So maybe people have females for egg production that are happy and free, but there were males that got killed because of it. Not so happy and free :( Bottom line: animals are not ours to own or exploit. And, there must be another way to prevent/control the tick issue. A more compassionate way :)
It's not about your yard. The people you bought the chickens from killed the males that hatched. For every hen you own, she had a brother that was killed, because he does not lay eggs.
Basis of Budhism is reincarnation and law of karma . The necessity of Budhism is impermanence sufferings and concept of no soul .Budhism guides us to stay in human world and heavens until final stage is attained 🙏🙏🙏
Hi Emma, did you find the name of the town? It's somewhere in Germany. Btw- I'll be writing one of my comp exams on Buddhist animal ethics so this is an interesting source for me, too. What is your dissertation on ? Are you focusing on the Plum Village tradition? I'd be very interested in reading it.
There is a connection between diet and spirituality/morality/emotions, etc. in a person. But it is something that is generally more subtle, and it is not really something obviously good or evil, etc. For instance: A disciplined, frugal, humble person is likely to eat/drink simple, nourishing foods. ("Peasant" food...) Like water, vegetables, herbs, seeds, 100% whole grains, EGGS, beans, nuts, fruits, FISH, etc. A moody, more intense/ill tempered person (who may have a better or worse character overall) is likely to be eating too much meat, greasy foods/fast food, full fat dairy, junk food, sugary foods/drinks, drinking coffee, beer, wine, etc., and often too little or irregular sleep/exercise. An extremely disciplined, ascetic (monk-like) sort of person is even more likely to eat extremely simple foods-beans, seeds, green vegetables, basic fruits, rice, water, etc. Veganism or vegetarianism in some form, yes, that may come into play here... A person who is gluttonous and completely without self discipline is likely to have many health problems in life, moreso than the person who eats too much meat, etc. When a person shovels down candy, soda, coke, doughnuts, chocolate eclairs, cake, endless amounts of bacon, sausage, corned beef, cheesy/meaty pizza, fries, etc., beer, wine, twinkies, etc., far, FAR in excess of what they should be eating/drinking (and I just don't consume alcohol, coffee, black/green tea, etc. PERIOD), that person will be in SERIOUS trouble health-wise at some point. Further, it will DEFINITELY have a negative impact on spirituality. A person who is very muscular (esp. bulky muscle-wise) and fit will likely be eating very healthy as well-plenty of plant foods, along with plenty of high quality eggs, poultry, meat, fish, etc. If that kind of person stays away from alcohol, smoking, coffee, etc., all the better for his (or her) moods, etc. A person who eats a lot of refined grains, sweetened dairy, LOTS of fruit (instead of veggies) and dessert-type foods, is more sedentary, doesn't ever weightlift or work out, etc., probably won't be very inclined to be a confrontational, aggressive sort of person. But, being too aimless, undisciplined and nonchalent in life is not a good thing either... 100% whole grains are NOT essential for good health, but can supplement other foods for good health, dep. on the person. Vegetables are universally VITAL for good health. Similar deal with herbs, spices, edible flowers, etc., as they supplement what vegetables do in the body, without added sugars/carbs, etc. Beans are healthy, so long as they do not cause excessive bloating in a person. Nuts and seeds are especially healthy, esp. when soaked, but the phytic acid present in nuts/seeds is not a big deal. Fruit (and dark chocolate) IS the dessert. Fruit is healthy IN MODERATION. Dairy, like 100% whole grains, are NOT essential for good health. But, like grains, they can supplement other food groups, esp. if it is grass fed dairy food. However, their consumption must be VERY LIMITED, ESP. if it is conventional dairy. As a general rule, I don't consume dairy, except for grass fed butter on occasion. Eggs, fish, poultry and meat are fine in moderation, IF they are high quality, and IF meat is consumed less often than eggs, fish and poultry. Animal foods are good to have in lower quantities compared to plant foods, because animal foods have complete proteins, rather than having to pair plant foods together that have complementary proteins, or stick to quinoa, buckwheat, and soy (plant foods with complete proteins). Eating meat does NOT make a person more wicked or cruel, etc. It is no sin. Eating to the point of gluttony is a minor vice however, that can lead to worse vices. And the overconsumption of meat, etc., is not something that benefits a person spiritually, in my opinion, dep. on a person's musculature, daily caloric needs, etc.
For some reason, Amanda's comment is not showing up, though it showed up in my notifications... 😡😡😡😡 UA-cam, get your crap together!!! Anyway, its for religious reasons Amanda (not drinking green tea, that is), I'm LDS. 😊👍 As to your other questions, I'm not sure. I'll have to give this one some more thought, but if you want to gain a few (healthier) pounds, I'd recommend (organic poultry), wild caught fish, pasture raised eggs, nuts/seeds, avocado, olives, sea vegetables, beans, fruit, and a little potato. If you take away the fish/eggs, substitute more avocado, rice/beans, quinoa, buckwheat, potato, etc. I haven't had matcha, so I'm not sure about that one/what it is... 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
The hate many vegans have for meat-eaters has nothing to do with compassion. We should also have compassion for them. Even if its wrong to eat meat. I try to stay on a vegan diät. But its hard cause people hate you for it. They slowly can understand vegetarism but still not veganism.
Zen Buddhism Europe Organic, unfortunately, means nothing. Please look into it. I fooled myself for a while saying the same thing, until I finally aligned with the truth and became a vegan, because the truth is: The animals still suffer and die for NO reason and milk, eggs and cheese are not healthy for us. OUR mothers milk was, FOR US, during weaning, but that's it.
Zen Buddhism Europe Animal products aren't necessary for a globalized humanity. The future must be eating foods exclusively of the vegetal realm, the only sustainable global "diet". We live in the 21st century, not in the days of the Vedas.
Back in the days, male calves were not killed and stolen from their mothers. Female cows were not kept constantly pregnant to produce milk and hooked up to metal pumps every single day like today. If Buddha knew of their suffering, he would not support it and clearly against it!
@@exiledgoomba Thank you for your thoughts. I had rather thought, he would refer to vegan being not as perfect as vegetarian (possibly nutritionallywise). It's rather in this context and I would like to know why he thinks so.
@@exiledgoomba correction Plants do not feel pain. They are not sentient. Planting plants kills insects and sometimes small animals. That's why its not perfect.
@@exiledgoomba plants/fruits has this process of to be eaten by animals/birds/insects and humans to only germinate again . once they ripe they either fall off or eaten so the seeds gets to grown again. NOW DOES ANIMAL RIPE and say " eat me my seeds are ready"? basic science
He is talking about those films about big industrial productions where animals are nothing but machines, to thise yougsters who come from countries (wether german, austria, suiss) where cows and people live together in mountains, are brought up to the green wild grass in summer and go back inside heated warm houses during winter (they could not survive outside) where they are fed mostly with dry grass and complements. Of course their life contain suffering like the separation of the families and being impregnated more than they would be otherwise. But they spend 99% of their life together in medium groups outside just eating and enjoying the landscape and in winter being heated and cures by man. This life seem even better than most human lifes. I dont drink milk but i recognise that without it all these famikies and countries would not have any cow as they dont survive in the cold winters, and these families would have to cultivate much more. They actually get most of their nutrients from cows milk and meat. I mean i see what he is referring to but these entire cultures are based on the cow human relationship. The cultural gap is big. These people have very few industrial farms and thousand of small family farms. You should see every year they bring the cows in the villages with special garnement to honour them. I heard that in india similary some cow live among family in the backyard where they are like a pet.
Yeah 99% of their life they live like pets UNTIL their throats are slit with a knife while they scream and struggle and fight for their life. Gotta look at the ending of the story
Somehow the betrayal of the carer of the animal , seems very strange. If you vegan , you have a more peace conscience, try vegan to be less complicite?
Cruelty is primary and an awful problem in the complex world of food farming. Plum village did not hesitate using modern technology and medicine forThay. This technolgy came about by the mass experimentation and cruelty of thousands upon thousands of animals.. So i ask is okay to inflict torture on sentient beings for medical reasons , is this the buddhist view of Plum village??
The answer given by The Most Venerable Thich Nhat Hanh is based on the fact that there is cruelty involved in the process of raising cows. But this is not the only way of raising cows. This is the way of modern society but while this way is to be rejected there is also another way of raising cows, which is called AHIMSA way. You can find out about the Ahimsa milk and learn that there is positive and loving answer to the violence of dairy industry. The answer is to protect mother cow as humanity have been doing for thousands of years in India. Veganism is one answer, and it is a good answer, but not the only one. We should drink milk as it is important product but we should protect cows and get milk from such love protected cows. At the same time all glories to everyone who wants to minimize the suffering of others, but if we don't protect cows and we don't become proactive, veganism will not stop the problem. Protecting the cows on the grounds of her importance for human society will help others to understand how wonderful that animal is and how important it is to keep cows happy and alive, till they die naturally...
As Rae Sikora says, there is no humane dairy when we drink from another species. Also, humans have no dietary requirements that need milk from another species. The only reason to continue this bad practice is desire.
I fully understand your point of view of AHIMSA way. I have come to realise that LIVE and LET LIVE is the only way...I am very aware of the artificial impregnation periods of AHIMSA cows and unnecessary regulations and red tapes involved to sustain this process. In the olden times in India people had cows as a part of the household and treated well...those times are gone and the world is only driven by economics and economics only.....
To those devotees who is serving monks meat. U causing monks to b slandered as eating impure. If u like meat. R u a demon? Stop looking at sentient beings and see them as food. Are you a demon? No? To that animal you love to eat them..you are a scary horrifying demon. It is bad karma to eat meat. Kill n eat you will have your own life force taken away too not nourished. Stop comparing animals to plants. Animals have central nervous system. Plants don't. The pain n awareness cannot be compared. Stop killing. Stop stealing their life force by forcing them from healthy state to death. Stop stealing their meat. It is their body not your food. Don't kill and thank them. They will thank u if u stop seeing them as meat. You demon. What's wrong with you? Stop causing sexual misconduct by forcing animals to be raped n reproduced. Stop lying to yourself that you are not a meat eating demon. You are sick psychopath. Imagine someone look at you n kill n cook u? Don't pray n say oh I am so grateful God. Stop doing this nonsense. Nobody is grateful for you causing so much violence n pain.
Why does he not look in the childrens' eyes while he's answering them? Looking another way does not seem spiritual to me but arrogant. :'( If anybody knows of a reason why he does that that is not arrogance please let me know, I'd be happy to have the chance to change my mind.
Marta Mariotto as you can hear english is not his mothertongue. so i believe that he is just purely concetrating on saying the things correctly. also, sometimes he does look the boy in the eyes. also i believe he is also concentrating on how to express what he wants to say, since he is talking infront of a large audience and is a very influencial person in general!
Also always looking in the eye is not considered a good thing in many cultures, in India looking into the eyes is not promoted particularly between people of different sexes. Only these days due to American globalism it is being seen as a good thing and a mark of confidence. I'm not sure but that might also be the reason. But I think Allie Playful is more right and it seems that as English is not his native language, Thay is thinking for the appropriate words.
When a plant will try to run or bite me when i try to kill it then i will make sure never to eat it again , but yes you are right plants are suffering but for sure they suffer less then animals do . Dude think about it let some plants or vegetables and some meat even cooked meat on your table for 3 days and notice after 3 days fish or meat will putrify and stink like hell . That stinky shit corpse goes into your body and stays stuck in ur body . Your body doesnt have the ability to transform that lump of putrifying corpse into lavender ... Some of that putrified matter will be absorbed by your body ... On the etheric field you will literarly stink in the unseen world so you will have like a greenish metaphorically speaking scent and look epsecially if you eat pig meat . So positive entities .. energies will stay away from you becouse they smell sense you like you are aproaching death .since you stink and have decomposing matter into your system . so they want beings that are alive not dying ones .... So if you wanna stay stuck into a vecious circle of dark low energy keep on eating that meat .... all your choise ... but dont wonder on your path why are you sick ... why you feel bad ... depressed ... why things dont work out . Simply becouse the Positive energy entity that was taking care of your liver to function optimally just quit his job and went to another since it kepts on stinking ... He said ... Screw this im out of here i been keeping you going for more then 40 years now Sayonara ....
do you mean plant suffer during giving fruits ? or when they are rip? i thought actually eating plants and fruits help in the germinating cycle , birds and other animals do that , they help the seeds
So if Buddha ate meat, could it be that he wasn't perfect? Or maybe the context is veery very different now than it was then. Thich Nhat Hann is a very good example that you have to put some own criteria if you are really applying love and compassion and not just following some dogma. Those three guidelines Buddha gave for when it is inappropriate to eat meat, seem nothing but hypocrisy and cowardice.
Foto Favoloso No Buddha didn’t eat meat, he only ate fish once before he became Buddha. that too only when he had no other choice and he found a dead fish.....
There are many places in the Buddhist scriptures which tell of the Buddha and his monks being offered meat and eating it. One of the most interesting of these passages occurs in the introductory story to a totally unrelated rule (Nissaggiya Pacittiya 5) and the observation that the meat is purely incidental to the main theme of the story emphasizes the authenticity of the passage.
Buddha probably did eat meat and the answer to no non-vegetarianism is much more nuanced and subtle. But there is a clear rule that Buddhist Monks should not ask for meat or not eat meat that is specifically made for them even if they didn't ask for it. And meat is the only food that a Buddhist monk can reject when he goes for alms round if he vows for complete vegetarian food. Even he gave freedom to his followers to become complete vegetarians or otherwise. I think Buddha took this position based on many physical, anthropological and cultural reasons so that Dharma spreads wide and sustains a very long time.
So is there a good spiritual reason for not eating meat.......I think not..........Budda was wise in knowing that you are not what you eat........really.......he was dogmatic at times but not when it came to what was necessary for the Dharma to spread.............if it was that important not to eat meat.......it would have been specifically prohibited..........and it really is not. Didn't the Buddha die from eating bad meat.
Yes, I completely agree with your point that eating meat (because of properties of food) has no effect on your ability to gain wisdom. That is one of the reasons why eating meat was not expressly prohibited, because sometimes situations may arise where you have to eat meat to survive, not offend the host etc. But, the main point here is compassion for animals. Clearly, meat is tastier than veggies and it boils down to torturing other animals just for the sake of taste. Tbh, even I'm a meat eater as everyone in my family eats meat but I've considerably decreased it to 1-2 times a month from 1-2 times a week and in the future will try to completely stop eating meat. It doesn't matter much if you don't eat meat and are not compassionate to other animals, the main point here is respect and compassion for all life. Unfortunately, I see many Indians who are vegetarians but are very mean to the poor street dogs. Regarding Buddha's last meal, in some SE Asian sources, it was mentioned that his last meal was pork but as far as I know in many more Indian and other East Asian, Tibetan sources the last meal was Mushrooms. The confusion might have arisen from similar sounding words for both food types and no knowledge of Mushrooms in SE Asia.
He does know. He's an old man (90 years old) and may struggle voicing his opinion when he's put on the spot, AND he's speaking a second language. I bet he could writee a detailed set of reasons in his own langauge without much trouble.
Hi George, Thay's Blue Cliff letter explains in detail reasons (ethical, environmental and human rights, esp. waste of resources and world hunger) behind the decision for all Plum Village monasteries to go vegan. plumvillage.org/letters-from-thay/sitting-in-the-autumn-breeze/
Hi, exactly- he does know (and so does his whole community) He did write such a document called the Blue Cliff letter. plumvillage.org/letters-from-thay/sitting-in-the-autumn-breeze/ For more info on the subject from Thay's perspective, why not visit the Earth Holder Website ?! You might find it really interesting.
+gjul221 ahahahahah, the guys above didn't seem to make the difference between a badly edited video and a person repeating himself.... it must be the lack of intelligence or the repressed suffering in themselves... or maybe animal fat... that usually sticks around the veins and the heart and the brain and doesn't allow them to function at their optimal level anymore...
This dude nothing of noble hunting traditions of Native Americans. There is reverence to hunt and use all animal parts. How self-righteous and intolerant.
I don't think Mr. Hanh holds people in contempt who consume animal foods. He is just trying to, in his own way, not add to the suffering he feels is going on in the world. In his opinion, some of that suffering has to do with killing animals for food, of course. This life, this world we live in, is a Telestial world, operating under Telestial laws. If we lived in a Terrestrial or Celestial world, everything would be different. A LOT, LOT, LOT, LOOOOOT DIFFERENT. And some of that difference has something to do with the consumption of animal foods...
What an absolute legend. It's so weird to see Buddhists who don't think veganism is important. Being vegan is a massive step toward reducing the suffering we inflict on others.
Ahimsa
All Buddhist should be vegan
I HAVE HAD THOSE SAME THOUGHTS.
hes is not buddhist , he is never born never dead like Buda, Jesus, Osho
@@riccardosbalchiero7345 i agree
Just want to share some films with you guys to really understand more deeply what he is saying: "Earthlings", "Forks over Knives", "Cowspiracy", "Speciesism", "From Farm to Fridge" ... that's a good start! Peace to all of you :D
pseudo science? its all facts ya silly. scientific method.
you're kidding right?
not proven whatsoever. give me your unbiased proof that doesn't come directly or indirectly from animal agriculture companies and groups. plant based eating is just as healthy as meat eating, if not healthier. my sister has been eating vegan for 6 years and is very healthy and has raised a big fat baby boy with 0 defects to either of them. animal fat is some of the most toxic yet edible stuff to have in your system. i know you wont change your mind from anyone at this time because you have some obvious strong concepts and beliefs that you were raised with and wont do any research with and open mind until you're further down the path. perhaps you could do with a little of the buddhism stuff (i highly recommend, with a skeptical mind though). as condescending as it sounds, try letting go of your self importance a little bit, it cannot hurt. (i have also been vegan for a year and since have put on weight [im chronically skinny, metabolism related] and cured my psoriasis as a direct result. this is not a placebo as i was also very skeptical of the diet when i first began.) cheers.
this will go nowhere. have a good day.
Thanks for sharing in a positive light. That’s cool!
Being from a Christian background, I have seen such raw, real display of truth , he radiates the love of God.
His book Living Buddha, Living Christ is really good!
This guy really applies the spirit of the teachings and is not stupidly literal by following some rules developed for the world as it was thousands of years ago. So he talks about the environment, about eating vegan because compassion takes him there.
I remember several years ago seeing a UA-cam video of a supposedly advanced Buddhist monk (he was an American man), answering a question about vegetarianism. He essentially said that the Buddha forbade directly killing any sentient being, but that since when you buy meat you're not directly killing, that's fine. I thought it was embarrassingly, shamefully, self-serving, legalistic, and dogmatic. The worst of religion. Following the 'teachings' to the letter of the law and using creative rhetoric to justify whatever you already believe.
My attitude is 'who cares?'. If that's what the scriptures say, why should I obey it unquestioningly? What's it really about if I consider things afresh right now? Free-thinking, compassion, and so on.
OH ACTUALLY the video just popped up in the related column. ua-cam.com/video/TSwtv7VqMh0/v-deo.html Watch this and cringe. A lesson not to toady to authority.
It depends on the tradition. Vjarayana Buddhism does not allow monks to eat meat whether it’s from someone who had done the butchering. Anything that had caused suffering they are minimising it that they cannot eat animal products where other people had gathered. I don’t think Buddha or Vjarayana Buddhist would eat any animal products at all.
Thank you so much having this straight vegan position ❤️🙏🌱 we all should be vegan. All of us want to be happy, including non-human animals. May all beings be safe and happy.
This Is a True Spiritual Teacher.. Much Love and Respect.
This is how an authentic spiritual teacher imparts wisdom. Those who do not address the suffering of animals via our dinner plate are false prophets.
Well said!!
I’m vegan, and I don’t drink alcohol.
I could learn a lot from this guy.
I still need to find my sense of peace and a sense of purpose in life.
Depression has really gotten the better of me, and losing my dad last year was just horrible.
My mother told me that I used to listen to his lectures when I was a toddler 2-3 years old.
Sorry for your loss.Life will always throw curb balls and tests.Mourning for the dead is a normal process.Please note they would want you to be happy and live and enjoy life because life is such a gift.Focus on making yourself happy with things you love(hobbies,rituals, etc).
It's hard not to be depressed with the state of the world. But my faith in God definitely helps.
How are you doing?
I'm here for you buddy, hope you've healed since, but here for you otherwise!
I hope u can find peace in your moments of joy and in your moments of grief. Sending love your way
Vegan for Animals..For Compassion.Believe me the Peace being a Vegan can't be expressed in words.
Very good, very good. Wonderful. Compassion is at the core of Buddhism. I bow to the Venerable Thich Nhat Hanh.
May your example spread to all Buddhists and also non Buddhists..
Thank you so much for being a voice of sanity in an insane world!
So revived to hear this comming from one of the worlds most well renowned Masters. So many spiritual teachers are more concerned with personally offending people for doing the wrong thing and contributing to the madness, indifference and sheer disregard for the trauma, torture and torment suffered by other living beings. Simply to unecessarly consume chickens periods and baby cows mothers cercreated mucus. No dancing around the subject so humans can feel okay about continuing in barbaric, primative, and ridiculous behaviour. Just truth. My comment does not reflect his Grace, suttle manner and beauty. Nor does What Animals are enduring.
Sahdhu Master Thay..
Now to breath in deeply..and breath out slowly. 😊
sink ronicity I'm almost 18, been eating vegan for a little while now and never going back.
for breakfast i like to smash the chicken period shells open and blend them all together and then cook them in a pan . after that i put them on some toast with burned pig flesh and a big frosty glass of cow mucus. Not everyone is squeamish I've killed many animals with my own hands. Nature isn't a kind place and you part of it. animals used to live where you live.
@@isaacburrows8405 I feel sorry for you
@@isaacburrows8405 You're so badass omg teach me to be like you
❤ compassion for animals is the utmost compassion because they will not say thank you or give us a reward. That's why it's the purest compassion
Why? to greatly reduce suffering of non human animals. So simple, yet so many try to find excuses around it... just TRY almond milk or some plant based eggs. I swear it tastes even better than the animal derived ones. And wayyyy better for you and the planet!!
It doesn't make any sense to me either - better all the way around.
Hens will lay eggs eachday,whether we eat rggs or not!
So why is it bad?
Or drinking honey also!
@@Son_of_aesthetics Honey has devastating effects on the environment and creates a lot of suffering. Chickens have been genetically bred to lay eggs every day, they only lay like 12 a year typically. Plus, the suffering for those chickens is immense. All baby male chicks are crushed and wasted in the egg industry. Plus, maple syrup is better for your health than honey and eggs are hands down a driver of heart disease.
@@SparklySarah Thank you actually for answering my question with all you knew,it meant for me cuz you see I asked that question a year ago!
anyway,people used eggs of different birds and even lizards through history even the time we were not able to cause them any change in their genes to lay more eggs,this is the first time I heard,but I mever knew so I will search for it.
But even though I do not see a problem in that,and about honey,it is a miraculous nutrient I do not think it is wise to let it get wasted by not using it lol
But we all have to be thankful towards the animals for their help rather than not take it
I'm allergic to most plant based foods. What about my suffering?
This is seriously one of my all-time favorite video clips on UA-cam. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for posting. I did a long retreat with Thich Nhatt Hanh in Vermont in 2000. I pointed out to one of the monks that wearing leather shoes and a down jacket did not match what they were teaching us. This monk accused me of being angry and told me I needed to look at my anger. He avoided my question and took no responsibility for how he and the other brothers and sisters were dressed. I stopped following Plum Village after that. I'm so glad to hear about the changes over the years.
My beloved teacher, what a wonderful lesson. Hopefully all religions would teach people to be truly compassionate to ALL BEINGS. Thank you so much, dear Thay.
the master speaks. Wish more would listen
Love for animals is the reason I went Vegan. The serenity I find through meditation is the reason I am Buddhist. I'm not unique, just ahead of my time.
😁👍
What time
Love hearing him speak. So eloquently put Mr. Hanh.
The Zen Master (Thay) is as the Buddha alive. We are greatly thank you for your teaching. May you return to the Earth to help all beings reduce their suffering.
Vegan is not perfect
Vegan is not perfect
Wow. Love that.
nothing is perfect...we as humans kill other being by just living ..we step on ants, etc...but we can at least stop neadlessly killing for no reason other than taste! ..he is right, but we as humans can at least do the least we can by becoming vegan!
A measure of a real guru: veganism ;) Bravo Thich!
I bow down to You Master. Namaste.
namaste = hindu. but ye namaste
i dont think he would really like you to bow down to him
¡¡TODO MI AMOR POR THICH NHAT HANN!! Ya estaba pensando que todes les maestres de budismo caían en la incoherencia del especismo. Me siembra ganas de seguir en éste camino ♥ ♥ ♥
All of my love to Thich Nhat Hann! I was thinking all buddhist great teachers were falling in this inconsistency of speciesism. He returned my faith in this path ♥♥♥
Exacto! Es decepcionante escuchar las justificaciones absurdas de las monjes budistas de Theravada y Tibetanos que siguen consumiendo carne. Es absurdo en pleno siglo XXI
Thanks for sharing this wisdom for all; please fix the editing glitch that makes the wise one repeat himself.
Go Back to ZERO, Wipe Away the False Reality we Have Been Conditioned with, Dont be Ruled by Ego! PURE HEART is Within us ALL...Awake!
Watch the film "Dominion" which is free on UA-cam to see what animals go through
Dominion (2018): www.dominionmovement.com/watch
WORDS OF WISDOM!🪬☘️💥💚💯💚💥☘️🪬
Real God lovers do not harm animals period , he is the real deal
Thank god this guy is on the right side of history. Vegan is the only way to move forward as a species.
Missing you Thich
Your the one of kindness
Vegetable foods , recipes and hotels should be popularise all over the world . Vegetable and fruit plants should be planted all over the world as much as we can
🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽Nam Mô A Di Đà PHẬT 🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽 THẦY vẫn ở mãi trong LÒNG của CHÚNG CON❤️❤️❤️ 🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽 THẦY vẫn ở mãi trong LÒNG của CHÚNG CON 🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽 ❤️❤️❤️ THẦY vẫn ở mãi trong LÒNG của CHÚNG CON ❤️❤️❤️ 🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽 Namo AMITABHA 🙏🏽 🙏🏽🙏🏽 THẦY vẫn ở mãi trong LÒNG của CHÚNG CON❤️❤️❤️ Dear TEACHER, You will forever stay in our HEART and our MIND ❤️❤️❤️
Die Lehre ist wundervoll. Ich war schon vegan bevor ich seine Lehre kannte. Auch liebte ich Gott, konnte mich allerdings keiner Religion anschliessen. Durch seine Lehre faellt alles auf seinen Platz. Gott besteht aber unsere Aufgabe als Menschen liegt in seiner Lehre. Seine Buecher sind tief veraendernd und absolut empfehlenswert.
I'm vegan for justice for animals. You can call it compassion. I call it justice. For justice must exist even where love and compassion do not or no longer exist. Justice can be established as a principle, as a system, which is imposed on all others.
This is wonderful. I am already vegan and Buddhist. Thank you.
Thay is great.
My husband is Native American and Vegan. Support your troups lol
That is wonderful!
Thank you so much for your answer. Vegan for life.
👍 #BoycottMeat and all other animal products, cruelty and exploitation in any way possible!
his words give me goosebumps.
Namaste🙏🙏🙏
It is so sad he died. But what a legend. He definitely is a vegan badass .
The translator keeps adding "mass production" of animals, whilst Thich talks about animal agriculture in total. Really misleading.
A simple test of the claim that
Pleasure outweighs pain in this world
Is to compare the feelings of the animal
That is devouring another animal
To those feelings of the animal
That is being devoured.
Man is the crudest animal.
vegan now regret never
Thank you very much !!!
who messed up the editing??!?!?
Lol,
This is super strange
but no harm hearing those simple things twice. In fact, since we hear but do not take them in so often, it is good.
Good question young man! I'd like to be a vegan too but I'm allergic to many things, so I have to settle for vegetarianism. Not as good i know, but it's something :-)
What are you allergic to that stops you from going vegan?
@@MammothMorals all nuts.
@@trship6274 and how does that stop you from going vegan?
@@MammothMorals Seriously? I’m not just going to eat fruit and vegetables all day lol.
@@trship6274 meat alternatives like tofu, seitan and tempeh. Plant milks like oat and soy. Plenty of plant cheeses and yohurts out there that don't derive from nuts. It's not just fruit and veg.
I have chickens in my yard, and they are incredibly happy and free. They are here to eat ticks because I keep getting lyme disease without them. I give the eggs away, [I am allergic] but I promise you my chickens aren't suffering.
And where are the male chicks?
Sue Brickman Exactly. You can't have more than one male, so they just go into giant shredders (alive!) because they are "unnecessary". So maybe people have females for egg production that are happy and free, but there were males that got killed because of it. Not so happy and free :( Bottom line: animals are not ours to own or exploit. And, there must be another way to prevent/control the tick issue. A more compassionate way :)
Sue Brickman see next post. nobody dies an unnatural death in my yard
It's not about your yard. The people you bought the chickens from killed the males that hatched. For every hen you own, she had a brother that was killed, because he does not lay eggs.
If they're trapped in your yard they are not free to go where and when they want.
love
Thank you 🙏
love thay,
Basis of Budhism is reincarnation and law of karma . The necessity of Budhism is impermanence sufferings and concept of no soul .Budhism guides us to stay in human world and heavens until final stage is attained 🙏🙏🙏
Man I was hoping that for the Buddhist section christpiracy would include this.
does anyone know where this video was taken? using it for my dissertation, and need to reference it
Plumvillageonline channel
Hi Emma, did you find the name of the town? It's somewhere in Germany. Btw- I'll be writing one of my comp exams on Buddhist animal ethics so this is an interesting source for me, too. What is your dissertation on ? Are you focusing on the Plum Village tradition? I'd be very interested in reading it.
There is a connection between diet and spirituality/morality/emotions, etc. in a person. But it is something that is generally more subtle, and it is not really something obviously good or evil, etc. For instance:
A disciplined, frugal, humble person is likely to eat/drink simple, nourishing foods. ("Peasant" food...) Like water, vegetables, herbs, seeds, 100% whole grains, EGGS, beans, nuts, fruits, FISH, etc.
A moody, more intense/ill tempered person (who may have a better or worse character overall) is likely to be eating too much meat, greasy foods/fast food, full fat dairy, junk food, sugary foods/drinks, drinking coffee, beer, wine, etc., and often too little or irregular sleep/exercise.
An extremely disciplined, ascetic (monk-like) sort of person is even more likely to eat extremely simple foods-beans, seeds, green vegetables, basic fruits, rice, water, etc. Veganism or vegetarianism in some form, yes, that may come into play here...
A person who is gluttonous and completely without self discipline is likely to have many health problems in life, moreso than the person who eats too much meat, etc. When a person shovels down candy, soda, coke, doughnuts, chocolate eclairs, cake, endless amounts of bacon, sausage, corned beef, cheesy/meaty pizza, fries, etc., beer, wine, twinkies, etc., far, FAR in excess of what they should be eating/drinking (and I just don't consume alcohol, coffee, black/green tea, etc. PERIOD), that person will be in SERIOUS trouble health-wise at some point. Further, it will DEFINITELY have a negative impact on spirituality.
A person who is very muscular (esp. bulky muscle-wise) and fit will likely be eating very healthy as well-plenty of plant foods, along with plenty of high quality eggs, poultry, meat, fish, etc. If that kind of person stays away from alcohol, smoking, coffee, etc., all the better for his (or her) moods, etc.
A person who eats a lot of refined grains, sweetened dairy, LOTS of fruit (instead of veggies) and dessert-type foods, is more sedentary, doesn't ever weightlift or work out, etc., probably won't be very inclined to be a confrontational, aggressive sort of person. But, being too aimless, undisciplined and nonchalent in life is not a good thing either...
100% whole grains are NOT essential for good health, but can supplement other foods for good health, dep. on the person.
Vegetables are universally VITAL for good health. Similar deal with herbs, spices, edible flowers, etc., as they supplement what vegetables do in the body, without added sugars/carbs, etc.
Beans are healthy, so long as they do not cause excessive bloating in a person.
Nuts and seeds are especially healthy, esp. when soaked, but the phytic acid present in nuts/seeds is not a big deal.
Fruit (and dark chocolate) IS the dessert. Fruit is healthy IN MODERATION.
Dairy, like 100% whole grains, are NOT essential for good health. But, like grains, they can supplement other food groups, esp. if it is grass fed dairy food. However, their consumption must be VERY LIMITED, ESP. if it is conventional dairy. As a general rule, I don't consume dairy, except for grass fed butter on occasion.
Eggs, fish, poultry and meat are fine in moderation, IF they are high quality, and IF meat is consumed less often than eggs, fish and poultry. Animal foods are good to have in lower quantities compared to plant foods, because animal foods have complete proteins, rather than having to pair plant foods together that have complementary proteins, or stick to quinoa, buckwheat, and soy (plant foods with complete proteins).
Eating meat does NOT make a person more wicked or cruel, etc. It is no sin. Eating to the point of gluttony is a minor vice however, that can lead to worse vices. And the overconsumption of meat, etc., is not something that benefits a person spiritually, in my opinion, dep. on a person's musculature, daily caloric needs, etc.
"I participate in this: www.dominionmovement.com/watch And I totally feel wholesome doing it too!"
For some reason, Amanda's comment is not showing up, though it showed up in my notifications... 😡😡😡😡 UA-cam, get your crap together!!! Anyway, its for religious reasons Amanda (not drinking green tea, that is), I'm LDS. 😊👍
As to your other questions, I'm not sure. I'll have to give this one some more thought, but if you want to gain a few (healthier) pounds, I'd recommend (organic poultry), wild caught fish, pasture raised eggs, nuts/seeds, avocado, olives, sea vegetables, beans, fruit, and a little potato. If you take away the fish/eggs, substitute more avocado, rice/beans, quinoa, buckwheat, potato, etc. I haven't had matcha, so I'm not sure about that one/what it is... 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I am a calf and I am my mother got horrific torture and suffering
💖interbeing🌟
Very profound
The hate many vegans have for meat-eaters has nothing to do with compassion. We should also have compassion for them. Even if its wrong to eat meat. I try to stay on a vegan diät. But its hard cause people hate you for it. They slowly can understand vegetarism but still not veganism.
I wish you a lot of strength. You know you are doing the right thing. Thank you @Franz 82 !!!
Im vegan and I don't hate meat eaters
Did not Shakyamuni drink milk brought by the young girl? Check the book "Old Path White Clouds". We can buy organic milk, eggs, cheese and so on.
Zen Buddhism Europe Organic, unfortunately, means nothing. Please look into it. I fooled myself for a while saying the same thing, until I finally aligned with the truth and became a vegan, because the truth is: The animals still suffer and die for NO reason and milk, eggs and cheese are not healthy for us. OUR mothers milk was, FOR US, during weaning, but that's it.
Zen Buddhism Europe Animal products aren't necessary for a globalized humanity. The future must be eating foods exclusively of the vegetal realm, the only sustainable global "diet". We live in the 21st century, not in the days of the Vedas.
Did you live in the BC when Shakyamuni lived? That was 2500 years ago. If you let Shakyamuni live in our times, i guarantee he won't drink milk.
+Danil Xu The historical Buddha was not a vegetarian. He did his disciples lived by begging for alms, so they pretty much took what they were given.
Back in the days, male calves were not killed and stolen from their mothers. Female cows were not kept constantly pregnant to produce milk and hooked up to metal pumps every single day like today. If Buddha knew of their suffering, he would not support it and clearly against it!
Seems stupid at first, but it's not. Suffering is going on all the time everyday in farms. We are dining on suffering.
What does alcohol have to do with suffering and compassion?
You're poisoning yourself. Alcohol often leads to suffering for yourself and those around you.
What does he mean by vegan is not perfect?
@@exiledgoomba Thank you for your thoughts. I had rather thought, he would refer to vegan being not as perfect as vegetarian (possibly nutritionallywise). It's rather in this context and I would like to know why he thinks so.
bobme5 I doubt very much that fish can not feel pain.
because inadvertently we kill ants, insects for our survival . so it's not perfect but being vegan is the best way to harm less as much as possible
@@exiledgoomba correction
Plants do not feel pain. They are not sentient. Planting plants kills insects and sometimes small animals. That's why its not perfect.
@@exiledgoomba plants/fruits has this process of to be eaten by animals/birds/insects and humans to only germinate again . once they ripe they either fall off or eaten so the seeds gets to grown again. NOW DOES ANIMAL RIPE and say " eat me my seeds are ready"? basic science
He is talking about those films about big industrial productions where animals are nothing but machines, to thise yougsters who come from countries (wether german, austria, suiss) where cows and people live together in mountains, are brought up to the green wild grass in summer and go back inside heated warm houses during winter (they could not survive outside) where they are fed mostly with dry grass and complements.
Of course their life contain suffering like the separation of the families and being impregnated more than they would be otherwise.
But they spend 99% of their life together in medium groups outside just eating and enjoying the landscape and in winter being heated and cures by man.
This life seem even better than most human lifes.
I dont drink milk but i recognise that without it all these famikies and countries would not have any cow as they dont survive in the cold winters, and these families would have to cultivate much more.
They actually get most of their nutrients from cows milk and meat.
I mean i see what he is referring to but these entire cultures are based on the cow human relationship.
The cultural gap is big.
These people have very few industrial farms and thousand of small family farms.
You should see every year they bring the cows in the villages with special garnement to honour them.
I heard that in india similary some cow live among family in the backyard where they are like a pet.
Yeah 99% of their life they live like pets UNTIL their throats are slit with a knife while they scream and struggle and fight for their life. Gotta look at the ending of the story
Somehow the betrayal of the carer of the animal , seems very strange. If you vegan , you have a more peace conscience, try vegan to be less complicite?
Cruelty is primary and an awful problem in the complex world of food farming. Plum village did not hesitate using modern technology and medicine forThay. This technolgy came about by the mass experimentation and cruelty of thousands upon thousands of animals.. So i ask is okay to inflict torture on sentient beings for medical reasons , is this the buddhist view of Plum village??
zendog No, but it makes at least some sense. Eating animals is just for pleasure. 😞
The point is to do as little harm as possible.
Maybe if I do no harm enough, one day I'll be healthy and happy ;)
@William Price If you really try to do no harm - why not be happy now? I wish you all the best!!
@@mariona.5261 I was kidding. That's why I put a ;) wink at the end.
got ya :)
i feel a sense of déja vu watching this hahaha
Well roosters eat ticks too, and I have them as well
What if 5 chickens are held free and a goat for milk. They all run free and have natural food. Is it still suffering?
Yep, what do you think that happens to the male chickens and goats? Further, the goat milk is for the baby, where did that go?
if they are not going to be killed and live a happy life, then is not
@@MrStefano79 You have gone from killing to stealing basically. A huge improvement, but more improvement can be made.
Yes question is , can you live peacefully knowing about , the suble exploitation
The answer given by The Most Venerable Thich Nhat Hanh is based on the fact that there is cruelty involved in the process of raising cows. But this is not the only way of raising cows. This is the way of modern society but while this way is to be rejected there is also another way of raising cows, which is called AHIMSA way. You can find out about the Ahimsa milk and learn that there is positive and loving answer to the violence of dairy industry. The answer is to protect mother cow as humanity have been doing for thousands of years in India. Veganism is one answer, and it is a good answer, but not the only one. We should drink milk as it is important product but we should protect cows and get milk from such love protected cows. At the same time all glories to everyone who wants to minimize the suffering of others, but if we don't protect cows and we don't become proactive, veganism will not stop the problem. Protecting the cows on the grounds of her importance for human society will help others to understand how wonderful that animal is and how important it is to keep cows happy and alive, till they die naturally...
***** an egg is a chicken period. Think about that next time. It's released through the anal cavity with a nice coating.
As Rae Sikora says, there is no humane dairy when we drink from another species. Also, humans have no dietary requirements that need milk from another species. The only reason to continue this bad practice is desire.
Why do I need baby cow growth fluids as a beverage at all?
I fully understand your point of view of AHIMSA way. I have come to realise that LIVE and LET LIVE is the only way...I am very aware of the artificial impregnation periods of AHIMSA cows and unnecessary regulations and red tapes involved to sustain this process. In the olden times in India people had cows as a part of the household and treated well...those times are gone and the world is only driven by economics and economics only.....
ABUSE begins the moment you decide that YOUR wants are above the USE of others
To those devotees who is serving monks meat. U causing monks to b slandered as eating impure. If u like meat. R u a demon? Stop looking at sentient beings and see them as food. Are you a demon? No? To that animal you love to eat them..you are a scary horrifying demon. It is bad karma to eat meat. Kill n eat you will have your own life force taken away too not nourished. Stop comparing animals to plants. Animals have central nervous system. Plants don't. The pain n awareness cannot be compared. Stop killing. Stop stealing their life force by forcing them from healthy state to death. Stop stealing their meat. It is their body not your food. Don't kill and thank them. They will thank u if u stop seeing them as meat. You demon. What's wrong with you?
Stop causing sexual misconduct by forcing animals to be raped n reproduced. Stop lying to yourself that you are not a meat eating demon. You are sick psychopath. Imagine someone look at you n kill n cook u? Don't pray n say oh I am so grateful God. Stop doing this nonsense. Nobody is grateful for you causing so much violence n pain.
Why not perfect?
Because there are still other practices filled with suffering, but becoming vegan is a great way of greatly reducing it
In times like now, having food is already a blessing for survival.nevermind if it's vegan or vegetarian
:)
Why does he not look in the childrens' eyes while he's answering them?
Looking another way does not seem spiritual to me but arrogant. :'(
If anybody knows of a reason why he does that that is not arrogance please let me know, I'd be happy to have the chance to change my mind.
Marta Mariotto as you can hear english is not his mothertongue. so i believe that he is just purely concetrating on saying the things correctly. also, sometimes he does look the boy in the eyes. also i believe he is also concentrating on how to express what he wants to say, since he is talking infront of a large audience and is a very influencial person in general!
Also always looking in the eye is not considered a good thing in many cultures, in India looking into the eyes is not promoted particularly between people of different sexes. Only these days due to American globalism it is being seen as a good thing and a mark of confidence.
I'm not sure but that might also be the reason. But I think Allie Playful is more right and it seems that as English is not his native language, Thay is thinking for the appropriate words.
He always answers that way, don't take it personal.
But the suffering of the plants!!!
When a plant will try to run or bite me when i try to kill it then i will make sure never to eat it again , but yes you are right plants are suffering but for sure they suffer less then animals do . Dude think about it let some plants or vegetables and some meat even cooked meat on your table for 3 days and notice after 3 days fish or meat will putrify and stink like hell . That stinky shit corpse goes into your body and stays stuck in ur body . Your body doesnt have the ability to transform that lump of putrifying corpse into lavender ... Some of that putrified matter will be absorbed by your body ... On the etheric field you will literarly stink in the unseen world so you will have like a greenish metaphorically speaking scent and look epsecially if you eat pig meat . So positive entities .. energies will stay away from you becouse they smell sense you like you are aproaching death .since you stink and have decomposing matter into your system . so they want beings that are alive not dying ones .... So if you wanna stay stuck into a vecious circle of dark low energy keep on eating that meat .... all your choise ... but dont wonder on your path why are you sick ... why you feel bad ... depressed ... why things dont work out . Simply becouse the Positive energy entity that was taking care of your liver to function optimally just quit his job and went to another since it kepts on stinking ... He said ... Screw this im out of here i been keeping you going for more then 40 years now Sayonara ....
do you mean plant suffer during giving fruits ? or when they are rip? i thought actually eating plants and fruits help in the germinating cycle , birds and other animals do that , they help the seeds
@@Leon-ye7ml That decomposition is the other organisms just salivating at a chance to enjoy some meat.
So if Buddha ate meat, could it be that he wasn't perfect? Or maybe the context is veery very different now than it was then. Thich Nhat Hann is a very good example that you have to put some own criteria if you are really applying love and compassion and not just following some dogma. Those three guidelines Buddha gave for when it is inappropriate to eat meat, seem nothing but hypocrisy and cowardice.
Buddha was bagging people for food. He took what they gave him.
He did not even eat meat in the Mahayana sutras.
The Buddha ate meat....didn't he?
Foto Favoloso No Buddha didn’t eat meat, he only ate fish once before he became Buddha. that too only when he had no other choice and he found a dead fish.....
There are many places in the Buddhist scriptures which tell of the Buddha and his monks being offered meat and eating it. One of the most interesting of these passages occurs in the introductory story to a totally unrelated rule (Nissaggiya Pacittiya 5) and the observation that the meat is purely incidental to the main theme of the story emphasizes the authenticity of the passage.
Buddha probably did eat meat and the answer to no non-vegetarianism is much more nuanced and subtle.
But there is a clear rule that Buddhist Monks should not ask for meat or not eat meat that is specifically made for them even if they didn't ask for it. And meat is the only food that a Buddhist monk can reject when he goes for alms round if he vows for complete vegetarian food. Even he gave freedom to his followers to become complete vegetarians or otherwise.
I think Buddha took this position based on many physical, anthropological and cultural reasons so that Dharma spreads wide and sustains a very long time.
So is there a good spiritual reason for not eating meat.......I think not..........Budda was wise in knowing that you are not what you eat........really.......he was dogmatic at times but not when it came to what was necessary for the Dharma to spread.............if it was that important not to eat meat.......it would have been specifically prohibited..........and it really is not. Didn't the Buddha die from eating bad meat.
Yes, I completely agree with your point that eating meat (because of properties of food) has no effect on your ability to gain wisdom. That is one of the reasons why eating meat was not expressly prohibited, because sometimes situations may arise where you have to eat meat to survive, not offend the host etc.
But, the main point here is compassion for animals. Clearly, meat is tastier than veggies and it boils down to torturing other animals just for the sake of taste. Tbh, even I'm a meat eater as everyone in my family eats meat but I've considerably decreased it to 1-2 times a month from 1-2 times a week and in the future will try to completely stop eating meat.
It doesn't matter much if you don't eat meat and are not compassionate to other animals, the main point here is respect and compassion for all life. Unfortunately, I see many Indians who are vegetarians but are very mean to the poor street dogs.
Regarding Buddha's last meal, in some SE Asian sources, it was mentioned that his last meal was pork but as far as I know in many more Indian and other East Asian, Tibetan sources the last meal was Mushrooms. The confusion might have arisen from similar sounding words for both food types and no knowledge of Mushrooms in SE Asia.
Yeah, he doesn't know why he's vegan.
He does know. He's an old man (90 years old) and may struggle voicing his opinion when he's put on the spot, AND he's speaking a second language. I bet he could writee a detailed set of reasons in his own langauge without much trouble.
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Okay I'll give him that.
Hi George, Thay's Blue Cliff letter explains in detail reasons (ethical, environmental and human rights, esp. waste of resources and world hunger) behind the decision for all Plum Village monasteries to go vegan. plumvillage.org/letters-from-thay/sitting-in-the-autumn-breeze/
Hi, exactly- he does know (and so does his whole community) He did write such a document called the Blue Cliff letter. plumvillage.org/letters-from-thay/sitting-in-the-autumn-breeze/ For more info on the subject from Thay's perspective, why not visit the Earth Holder Website ?! You might find it really interesting.
Thank you Marion!
Why is he repeating himself? Getting old, it seems
Khalid Bach It was an editing glitch. Not him repeating himself.
+gjul221 ahahahahah, the guys above didn't seem to make the difference between a badly edited video and a person repeating himself.... it must be the lack of intelligence or the repressed suffering in themselves... or maybe animal fat... that usually sticks around the veins and the heart and the brain and doesn't allow them to function at their optimal level anymore...
It's you who's getting old since you didn't understand it was a glitch
This dude nothing of noble hunting traditions of Native Americans. There is reverence to hunt and use all animal parts. How self-righteous and intolerant.
I don't think Mr. Hanh holds people in contempt who consume animal foods. He is just trying to, in his own way, not add to the suffering he feels is going on in the world. In his opinion, some of that suffering has to do with killing animals for food, of course.
This life, this world we live in, is a Telestial world, operating under Telestial laws. If we lived in a Terrestrial or Celestial world, everything would be different. A LOT, LOT, LOT, LOOOOOT DIFFERENT.
And some of that difference has something to do with the consumption of animal foods...
Fun times talking about native hunters to justify eating factory farmed food.