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Cain Abel and Priesthood
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- Опубліковано 30 сер 2022
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Scriptural look at Cain Abel and the Priesthood and the scriptural reasons behind policy and doctrine.
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I love your method of presenting things. Simple but deep!! Thank you!
This is excellent information and I will pass this on the family members who have left the church partially because of the priesthood restrictions of past years. It pays to do your research.
What an amazing lesson!! Thanks to Bruce Porter for sharing his vast knowledge of the gospel. My mind is blown regarding the seed of Abel and the burden of Cain’s release!! THANK YOU!
This was beautifully presented and I hope all will come to understanding. Thank you bro Porter🙏🏾
Thank you.
I like your speech/vocabulary. Fully understand. In fact, eating it all up.
Can't get enough. Big respect.
My pleasure
the beautiful Saints of God as one , learning to trust as it comes to pass
So glad I found this channel. Thanks for your great work!
Very enlightening and well laid out .
Brother Porter... You might wanna put a warning on your videos for listeners to get some duct tape out and tape their heads up before hand because their minds will be completely blown by the lecture. Thank you so much for this! 😄🤯😄🤯😄🤯
Thank you
Wow!
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Any good sources on the central Abel quote (shown again on the last slide). I would like to see the accumulation of sources that led to this summary quote/idea. The two similar ones I found dont quite boil down to this idea. Lots of hard work by bro Porter. Thanks!
Of George Q. Cannon’s recollection, Joseph Fielding Smith has written:
“This doctrine [i.e. the priesthood ban] did not originate with President Brigham Young but was taught by the Prophet Joseph Smith. At a meeting of the general authorities of the Church, held August 22, 1895, the question of the status of the Negro in relation to the Priesthood was asked and the minutes of that meeting say:
“‘President George Q. Cannon remarked that the Prophet taught this doctrine: That the seed of Cain could not receive the Priesthood until the seed of Abel should come forward and take precedence over Cain’s offspring.’”
(Joseph Fielding Smith, The Way to Perfection, p. 110).
I learned a lot and would like to hear a presentation about the three priesthoods. I came across the original teachings about the Patriarchal priesthood obtained in the temple while reading the Teachings of Joseph Smith but the quotes there were limited.
Since Eldred was released, were his keys rolled into the First Presidency or was the Patriarch to the church acting under the direction of the Prophet?
All the keys always resided in the first presidency.
Btw, thank for putting these videos out. I've been lurking in your online document vault for years. You are my "to go" scholar in the Church.
How did Father Lehi have the Melchizedek Priesthood if the only tribe to have the Priesthood was the Levites?
Taught on church website: Melchizedek Priesthood Taken from Israel
Abraham gave the priesthood to his son Isaac, and Isaac gave it to his son Jacob. Jacob’s name was changed to Israel, and thereafter Jacob’s descendants were known as the children of Israel.
In Moses’ day, after he had led the children of Israel out of Egypt, the Lord offered the children of Israel the fulness of His gospel. They rejected it, however, so the Lord took away from them the Melchizedek Priesthood and the higher ordinances of the gospel. They were left with laws that were to direct the physical, or temporal, activities of the people. These laws were administered by the Aaronic Priesthood (named after Aaron, the brother of Moses). Most of these laws are found in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy in the Old Testament. They were not meant to replace the fulness of the gospel, but were given as a way to prepare the children of Israel to live the gospel in its fulness at a later time.
Even though the Melchizedek Priesthood was taken from Israel as a nation, it was not permanently taken from the earth. Between the time of Moses and the coming of Jesus Christ, several prophets held the Melchizedek Priesthood. Some of these prophets were Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lehi, Daniel, and Ezekiel.
Refer to the Mosaic dispensation pictured on the chart and read Doctrine and Covenants 84:6.
The Levitical priesthood was restricted to Levites. The Melchizedek priesthood was not exclusively for one tribe. When Father Lehi and his descendants came to the promised land they only operated with the higher, or Melchizedek priesthood. There is no reference to them ever using specifically the lower, or Levitical priesthood until after Jesus came and fulfilled the law. Which was when it changed.
Israel was going through an apostasy. They were killing those who were speaking contrary to their disbelief of visions,revelations,angels, christ,ect. The beginning of the sanhedrin was formed and the beginning of the pharisees.
The righteous in the Book of Mormon like Lehi and Nephi would have been ordained to the “Holy Order” which is another name for the Melchizedek priesthood. The Levitical and Aaronic Priesthoods are appendages to the holy order. Lehi and his posterity were descended from Mannasas and could have been ordained by others in the family line or by angelic ministry. Read D&C 84, which mentions being ordained by the hand of God. The current record does not mention who gave them the ordination, but Nephi says he has seen the redeemer, so he likely had his calling and election made sure, which requires the Melchizedek priesthood and ordinances.
Joseph Smith also explained that all prophets before Christ came, after Moses, received the Melchizedek Priesthood by direct calling from God. So likely, Lehi would have received it the same way Jeremiah did.
I don't think that an end of punishment means that those that enter the lower kingdoms will be happy or satisfied. If that were the case, then why would we want to live with God?
I think that happiness is going to be the very thing that holds people from progressing in the lower GLORIES.
(We shouldn’t think of them as glorified “Hell”. They aren’t.)
And that thought comes from just watching people around us.
You can tell who wants more and who is perfectly happy where they are.
But I’m also thinking there are many professions here that will not be there.
People will need to change.
But it’s how that change comes about that matters.
Are we anxiously engaged or do we do it grudgingly?
I even wonder for myself, “will the end of the test lift the weight off my shoulder so much that I won’t desire to progress from where I am?”
It’s a legit reality that many people have, or will have, that reality. 🤷♂️
Very enlightening presentation. Thank you. Question: there were some who were denied priesthood ordinances like the endowment and marriage covenant because of the color of their skin. How do we square that with your presentation whcih said theyd only be denied the administration of the priesthood not the participation? Is it because at that point, the those ordinances, while participatory are also administrative? As in, you must have the melkiszedek priesthood to become endowed with power and to enter the new and everlasting covenant?
Priesthood is an authority of administration not participation. Holding the priesthood is not required to be baptized, partake of the sacrament, or be baptized for the dead. The temple endowment does not require one to hold the priesthood to participate (as in the case of women) D&C 84:19+ explains the priesthood is required to administer the ordinances. The priesthood administration has been restricted through biblical time, from the first born or one that opens the womb, to all of Israel being restricted except for. the Levites. It is an authority of administration so that the ordinance will be recorded on the records of the church. Sorry my plane is about to takeoff.
@@bruce_porter thanks for the quick reply. I understand you may not see this reply for some time or be able to respond, but I guess my follow up is why then were some black members denied the endowment or the marriage covenant? I'm thinking of Elijah Able or Jane Manning James here.
Does anyone suspect that descendants of pre-adamites (my friend is part neanderthal apparently) also limited the availability of the priesthood in the world until every human had been literally bred in to the family of Adam in the last few thousand years? Maybe the last non-adamite "human" died around 1978? I could really use some feedback on this one.
This is a very interesting question. My best answer to it is that all things will be revealed in the Millennium, and we don’t get to know all things before then. The sealed portion of the Book of Mormon contains the entire record of the history of the Earth, but will not be had “in the day of wickedness”. So, the Earth is to be cleansed first (end of the Telestial level wicked). This is to happen very soon.
From Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p. 113 (as per Kindle):
“the end of the world is the destruction of the wicked, the harvest and the end of the world have an allusion directly to the human family in the last days, instead of the earth, as many have imagined; and that which shall PRECEDE (emphasis mine) the coming of the Son of Man, and the restitution of all things.”
So, soon…you (and I, and the rest of us) will have our answer.
I love your videos so much! Question: I thought the tribe of Levi was the Aaronic priesthood. I was taught that Lehi and Ishmael had the Melchizedek priesthood. How could they build temples to the Lord without authority?
This is found on the church website: Even though the Melchizedek Priesthood was taken from Israel as a nation, it was not permanently taken from the earth. Between the time of Moses and the coming of Jesus Christ, several prophets held the Melchizedek Priesthood. Some of these prophets were Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lehi, Daniel, and Ezekiel.
Can you provide the verse for the scripture you refer to in Isaiah 65?
Would the Descendant of Ham who became Pharaoh pre-date the first dynasty of Egypt? Is this a lineage of Mizriam and Canaan through Ham? I wonder if Ham’s lineage continued matriarchally like to Neithhotep? Are ages of patriarchs actually ages of clan names which change when another besides the eldest siblings is given stewardship?
Can you provide the reference to Joseph Smith for the 3 Preisthoods.
TPJS p. 323
@@bruce_porter thank you!
Are you suggesting that our memories will be wiped when the earth becomes celestialized and former things will not be remembered?
@@Kcall1234
It’s not me, it’s Isaiah (65). We don’t need to remember what we did when we were two years old because we have moved beyond that life. Once resurrected we will have moved beyond this life.
Are you saying that someone could have the patriarchal priesthood without having the Melchizedek priesthood?
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Everyone sealed in a temple enters into the Patriarchal Priesthood even women without the Melchizedek. Anciently there is a patriarchal authority I.e. family authority and that includes even being a member of the church today. The Melchizedek authority today must honor the patriarchal authority in the home be they member or non-member.
I am also interested in knowing the reference for the quote by Joseph Smith- "The seed of Cain would not hold the priesthood until the seed of Abel had a chance to come to the earth and fill their responsibility". In quite curious, as this does not appear in a Google search, as an above commenter has also noted.
The sources were put up in a reply
Thank you for your reply. I now see the link to the reference. I’m curious to know what your take is on the quote from Bruce R. McConkie that states, “Forget everything that I have said, or what President Brigham Young or President George Q. Cannon or whomsoever has said in days past that is contrary to the present revelation. We spoke with a limited understanding and without the light and knowledge that now has come into the world. We get our truth and our light line upon line and precept upon precept. We have now had added a new flood of intelligence and light on this particular subject, and it erases all the darkness, and all the views and all the thoughts of the past. They don't matter any more. It doesn't make a particle of difference what anybody ever said about the Negro matter before the first day of June of this year [1978].”
Thanks so much for your time. This matter concerns our family personally and I am trying to wrap my mind around it and come to a greater understanding and peace.
Id be interested in learning more avout the matriarchal priesthood
Go
To my website bhporter.net and go to Porter pages there is a research article I put together about it, called “Deception vs. Decision”
www.bhporter.net/deception-vs-decision
You can download a pdf or print it.
You mention a scripture in Isaiah that says we won’t remember anything about this life…I assume that to mean, just like we remember nothing of the preexistence…is that correct? If so, I’d be curious to study this doctrine further…are there other references you can share that support what Isaiah says?
As you read that chapter and the chapter heading, it becomes clear that this is speaking of the Millennium, not the resurrection. After this life, we have a “bright recollection of all our guilt” and any sin must be paid for by the person and through the atonement of Christ. We don’t lose the guilt through resurrection. We lose the guilt through repentance and Atonement.
Joseph Smith said our probation continues in the Spirit World. We can still repent. (But less to repent for if we start NOW)
@bruce_porter do you have a reference for the JS quote at 42:37?
This is the link to the research article I wrote on the subject that will have the quotes and footnotes.
www.bhporter.net/_files/ugd/c71091_cbb2dac0882f43aba960f9ae7a563e65.pdf
You can go to the website: bhporter.net and under porter pages look for the link to “Cain Abel and the Priesthood and you will be able to download or print the article mentioned above.
Look at pages 40-41 in the article for the references.
@@bruce_porter thanks
Under the Mosaic law, none were able to receive exalting temple ordinances through the Melchezidek priesthood. The sons of Levi had only the Aaronic priesthood. In our day, it is necessary for men to receive the Melchezidek priesthood before they can receive temple ordinances. So while it is technically correct to say that receipt of the priesthood is not necessary to receive salvation, it leaves out the blessings of the temple, including receipt of patriarchal priesthood through the sealing ordinance.
The old testament mentions that David made his sons priests, so his family may have had the Melchizedek priesthood.
Or they just totally ignored the restriction of the aaronic priesthood to the sons of Aaron
Sorry, I replied, but it disappeared. Short answer: it probably meant advisors to the king, in this context. An internet search will turn up some good possible explanations.
@@sonlighter01 I mean, I suppose it could just be a wonky translation; but assuming that it isn't then something else was going on more than what we realize.
I mean we know the spirit of the Lord rested on David when he was anointed and remained with him ever after that.
That kinda sounds like the holy ghost falling on people. If David did Indeed receive the holy ghost then he had something that really no one besides prophets in ancient Israel had.
It would explain why multiple of the psalms attributed to David prophetically described the messiah and also personal experiences where David being the one writing claims to have seen and heard the Lord for himself and indeed parts almost read like he had visions.
All of this makes way more sense if he did have the holy ghost and if he had the holy ghost then why would the Lord withhold the priesthood from him?
@@isaac_steinberg We are told in the Bible that David was a prophet. Interesting theory about the priesthood. Thanks for sharing. =)
Please tell me, where did you find that Joseph Smith quote
“The seed of Cain would not hold the priesthood until the seed of Abel had a chance to come to the earth and fill their responsibility”
Joseph Smith
This quote doesn’t exist on the internet. It throws up a huge red flag that this never happened/never was said.
I’ll get the references. It was statement attributed to Joseph Smith and quotes by Brigham Young, also quoted and discussed by Joseph Fielding Amith
How does it compare to the Hatsan Blitz?
The priesthood stays fed on the fruits their prophets said are forbidden.
It seems strange to me thinking that Cain killed Abel because he wanted the priesthood, that very priesthood that makes you your brothers keeper? Was it just about money, or twice the inheritance and not responsibility?
It wasn't the priesthood he wanted. He already had it. He wanted to be the grand patriarch and control all others. Hence he says after he murders his priesthood leader Abel, he says everything his brother has will now be his. He murdered his priesthood leader so that he and his posterity would become the kings of humanity.
He also said that "all my brother's flocks will fall to me," didn't he? So there was a murder for gain and a covetous motive as well.
Can a son give a priesthood blessing to his mother alone or does another priesthood holder have to be there? What about his mother in law?
@@sonlighter01 that's what I was always taught too
everyone has access to the handbook in our days, these are not topics of "that what I thought" or "my seminary teacher told me this" or "I saw my dad doing it like that"...
this is a copy / paste from the hadnbook for our reference.
Normally two or more priesthood holders administer to the sick, but one may perform both the anointing and the sealing alone if necessary.
@@tchuwe Thank you. I will delete my incorrect answer.
An endowed woman have the priesthood already according to President Nelson during his address to the Relief Society Sisters two weeks ago.
Patriarchal Priesthood
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I would like to know the proof that Joseph Smith Sr is a direct descendent of Able. Also where is proof that Joseph of Egypt is as well. I find that hard to swallow
I think what he was teaching was that they were descendants of Seth, but through the Levirate law, they were considered to be Abel’s descendants. In other words, Seth was acting on behalf of Abel in raising up a righteous posterity for his brother.
Joseph Smith is a descendant of CAIN
the name smith comes from BlackSmith
The first blacksmith was TUBAL CAIN
Cain first son, was Enoch. And he named the city he built after him
The city of Enoch is located in UTAH
ABEL HAS NO DESCENDANTS!! HE WAS KILLED!!!
MORMONS ARE DESCENDANTS OF CAIN
THE SON OF PERDITION
How do ppl not know this
Smh
Did Abel have a wife? I think he would need a wife, re-married to Seth for Abel’s posterity.
The doctrine is still true , why does your church just decide to fein claim to authority over priesthood , that is Gods authority. You quote Joseph smith as if everything he said was prophesy. Bad apologetics of your corrupt leaders ignoring scripture
How did Father Lehi have the Melchizedek Priesthood if the only tribe to have the Priesthood was the Levites?
No where does it say the Lehites had the Melchizedek priesthood. It was lost for the children of Israel “until John” the Baptist. It only talks about priests and teachers and high priests in the Book of Mormon. Christ restores the Higher Law when he comes in 3 Nephi as he did in Galilee.