Butane - Doesn't burn below 0c Propane - Burns down to -40c/f Gas cans are mostly Butane because it burns more efficiently, therefore its cheaper and lighter. But they mix in some propane to give it a bit of a lower operating temperature, so just look for a high propane content when using in cold weather.
As long as theres a decent amount of gas in the canister I've never had a problem with normal gas in the winter, i made a ' jacket ' out of an old bit of thick sleeping mat taped up and slides over canister, plus another piece cut into a circle to fit on the bottom with three cut outs for the tripod stand. Use it every winter even in snow. I have one of those adapter valves so i can transfer gas from one can to another or you can just put part filled cans away til the summer.
I have a free standing stove and in these conditions I can shake it up and turn it upside down which helps. Also put your gas canister in your trouser pocket to get it nice and warm.
Hey Paul, wrapping a sock around the canister in cold conditions works wonders..or anything else to insulate it from the direct cold air. Been doing it for years.
@@CryptoRoast_0 You’re wrong buddy. It’s stored as a liquid which vaporises to fill the space. If the liquid is too cold the vaporisation is very weak and so can’t fill the chamber and pressurise so you get a weak flow of gas and a poor flame. 🔥
LOVED it! My third backpacking trip I took solely a jar of peanut butter, a jar of strawberry jelly, and a loaf of sliced bread. Comfort foot at altitude is something else entirely.
Fry up spam cubes and chopped onion, add a bag of microwave rice, heat through and mix in an egg, then some pepper and soy sauce. Fast and tasty. Very much enjoy your videos, thanks for being out there when I am too mardy to get my boots on.
I dont camp much in the UK anymore. I've been spoilt by Scandinavia, in comparison the UK just really isnt that great 😅. Dont get me wrong, theres some beautiful spots in the UK but Scandinavia is a whole other level.
@@BrokenBackMountains yeah its beautiful, and I hope to go back to scotland soon, but as I say, scandinavia is a whole other level. Sweden & Norway are the two best countries I've ever wild camped in, and I've camped and hiked in around 13-14 countries so I dont say that lightly. Eastern Europe is phenominal too, Poland, Slovakia, etc.
One advantage of using a wind shield with your stove, some of the trapped heat keeps the canister warm and lets you run at lower temps. For winter or high altitude I love my petrol coleman stove works anywhere all the time 😀
Great video as always! I will try this with the kids when I next take them to the mountains. I'm from the U.K. but have lived and hiked in Japan for the last 12 years. It's great to have a British voice to listen to and get opinions on and see the places I used to walk in. Great channel keep it up!
Hey. Boil some water, get a cup that is slightly larger than your canister, pour some hot water in it and then place your canister inside. Your canister will put out more. That tiny temp difference is all it needs. From NW Ontario, Canada. Winter fuel also helps too. But with my experience using MSR 4 season, I was also suffering the same problem. The above hack works, left the Dragonfly stove at home.
Thanks Paul, great video as always👍 made my mouth water just watching! To help with the gas issue just make a small pot-cosy and as long as you keep it as low as possible and away from the flame you won’t have any issues, but yes, it’s easier to keep meths at burning temperature, failing that any gas stove with a pre-heat tube, like the Primus Spider will sort you out, you can also invert the canister as the liquid gas is vaporised in the tube before it gets to the burner 😂 hope that helps! My son uses this stove in the Norwegian winter.
Thanks Paul 👍 Really enjoyed that video. Would definitely like to see more camp cooking content. I want to improve on my current half frozen pre made curries I always take 😎
Love that snow, Paul. Looks great up there and you're lucky living in a beautiful part of the world. Very beautiful. Thanks for the useful tip about the gas. I think they're little fried pocket sandwiches, and they look delicious. Must try! Thanks
Multi-fuel stoves for the win. Been let down by gas to often and spirit burners are difficult to light in the cold, so its a multi-fuel stove once temps go below 5 deg C.
The liquid gas inside the canister draws heat from the metal canister in order for the liquid to boil and vaporise as gas. If the ambient air temperature is low then the vaporisation is a lot slower.
Sit your gas cylinder in water. Ice will not freeze to the outside and you will keep the outside of the cylinder as zero degrees rather than -something. It's better than doing nothing.
In Aus I use a 4 season mix canister. -10 and lower in Trangia gas burner in winter no problems. Bakers in the old days used to use their false teeth to go around the edges of pies and pasties.
Easy fix for the gas, A bit of copper 1 inch wide, and a magnet to hold it on the can.. Cut the copper and bend it so it's near the flame the heat transfers from the flame down the copper to the can... You can bend the copper in or out from the flame if it gets too warm. Only in cold weather tho. Been doing this for years, and was able to use my gas well above the artic circle when others had change to fuel stoves..
Another great video, and some breathtaking scenery. As a suggestion to help level your stove if you know anyone who is a joiner or window fitter ask if you can have three packing wedges. Take up no weight but could be a big help.
Nice Sarmies 👍. Pineapple on Pizza .. you're one of the converted 👍. Yep, it's time to bring out the Trangia or (in my case) the Optimus 8R and put the Gas into Winter Hibernation. Those Bread Crusts are great for cleaning cooking and eating utensils .. one of the few times one can eat one's wash rag afterwards. Menu suggestions? Cold Winters Breakfast .. Oats with an assortment of 'Add-Ins'. I'd have it at home for supper too .. if I was allowed to or lived alone 😊. But then .. I like Pineapple on my Pizza .. Take care ..
Myself and the lad love cooking 'Camp pizza' which is a tortilla folded with pizza base sauce, a sprinkle of cheese and some torn sandwich ham. All heated up on the trangia till the cheese is oozing out.
The whole reason I made an alcohol stove is for this exact reason, gas just doesn't do very well below 5C or so though they are cheap enough it was kinda fun making one.
I had a similar issue with a Coleman gas canister on my D of E in Cumbria. To get around it, I'd heat up a mess tin of water for a few minutes, and then plonk the canister in the heated water to give it some umph when I was cooking with it. I think these days I'd use an alcohol burner once it goes below ~5 degrees
Hi Paul just letting you know that a lot of carp anglers put their gas cannister inside a cosy during winter. You can see them on every carp angling shop.
When I go hiking in the cold, I use multifuel stove for cooking. Gasoline does light up in every condition I hike in. It's a bit more work too get it started though, but once you do it can be even faster that gas
Great video. Looks delicious 😋. I have just upgraded to a remote canister stove which gives me the ability to invert the canister for use in cold weather (Optimus vega) works great and is now my 4 season stove. It’s more stable too and easier to use with windshields as well 👍
Looks very tasty. I think I’d make those up at home in the kitchen and bring them in a ziplock to save all the faff of cutting crusts off in the field. 😂👍. I guess some people will enjoy the full outdoors kitchen experience though! With the gas problem in the cold - I use an Alpkit Koros stove. I think there are a number of advantages of hose-type gas stoves over canister top stoves - much more stable, lower to the ground so you can use a smaller wind shield, and when it’s cold and the gas is condensing to a liquid in the canister, you can invert the canister and so the fuel will continue to flow. There’s also a pre-heat pipe so that if the fuel is flowing in liquid form from the inverted canister, it gets pre-heated and converts back to gas before it reaches the nozzle. You can also gently and carefully shake the canister if you have to without having to take your pot off the heat. Great stove for cooking with gas when it’s cold and they’re only about £45 for a 125g titanium stove. 👍
Those pocket pizzas showed promise, you certainly got me thinking. I might prep a couple in advance at home and cook them up next time I'm out. I talked myself out of one of those jet boil skillets about a year ago because of the price but each time I see you use yours my resistance melts just a little more, I am sure I'll crack before long. Great video and can't wait for your winter packing one next (my favourite camping season).
If you use the jetboil or the MSR veil you won't have the issues. The Minimo is meant for colder weather as it has a regulator built in to help manage the flame. Great job
Great vids as always mate! How about a nice bit of Bubble and Squeak on the stove pan with a little cheeky fried egg on top? Easy to transport, easy to make and very comforting up on a cold mountain with a little brown sauce 😋
Awesome idea! Calzone outdoors! Mmmm A suggestion for future, cheese & spring onions quesadillas!! Just discovered them and they're delicious. 2 tortila wraps, cheese, spring onions, fry in butter like you just did. Chilli optional. Also, I just discovered a great hot bedtime winter drink... Cloudy apple juice, cinnamon... Heat it up! That's it!
Ah!! They're pizza bites!!! I like to make a mean chili choritzo tortilla pizza on the trangia (recipe courtesy of fellow UA-camr Thom, from Off The Beaten Pot). They go down a storm, and easy. Nice video, Paul!
My first comment after half following you for a while. Superb. Posting from China, and you are one of the few UK outdoor channels taking covid seriously. I am a brit, and great to see you are staying local. 😂😷
Gas stoves have always had issues with cold weather. In the early days of gas canister stoves the usual gas was mostly(entirely) butane and while I loved my "modern" gas stove it was pretty useless in a winter camp in the Highlands especially in snow . Todays stoves seem to use a mixture of gases,. Primus "Power Gas" uses a '4season mix' of Butane ,isobutane and propane . It may help if you can compare different brands gas cans to find a different mix. Although I have not had the opportunity to try it I have been told that MSR 80/20 is good for cold weather. Maybe a good topic for a youtube vid 😊😊 Keep well and thanks for another entertaining vid.
Love it :D Can't wait to see more camping recipes from you! I usually cheat and find a pub but have done steak, potato and veg and sausage and egg sarnies before. Rest of the time just boring boil in a bag ^_^' Those little nalgenes are very handy though :)
That is the reason I don't use my Optimus crux in the winter. No remote attachment and no preheater tube. Even the propane/butane mix can cause problems. Petrol for the winter for me. Anyhoo, you know all that. Thanks for the recipe. Looks like good scran. Going to give it a try. I will be able to leave my county from the 18th so can head to the next county and attempt a post lockdown hill. Seriously out of shape.
I actually use the "extreme" and had so far never problems (up to minus -11 I tried). On Thursday I did for example a Steak with asparagus - just needed to open the valve a bit more and it worked fine.
The surroundings of the video are pretty. The sandwich you made looks so delicious. I'm glad to subscribe to your great channel. From Woongkham, a South Korean UA-camr. 💝💝💝👍👍👍
thanks Paul - dosed with a cold so enjoying watching you out and about again as I am wheezing away indoors on a glorious cold, bright weather day in Ireland :( Like the cooking tips - agree with the butter, but dear god man - Pineapple.... :) Maybe sprinkle you Pizza Season mix directly on the Tomato Puree - will help it stick to it in the wind
I have to say they looked very tasty Mr Messner, I will have to try them for sure. When I go fishing I have a canister cosy I use which helps with keeping the gas warm and going, its not fool proof but does help (Fox, Nash or Trakker are all company's that sell them) BUT I have to comment pineapple on pizza noooooooooo, so wrong! cheese, meat, more meat, more cheese and jalapeño's is all you need! Great video as usual
another great video paul 👍 the same happened to me last week which finally made me purchase my first liquid fuel stove , 3 minute boil 1ltr water in 0 degrees running on petrol , it can also run on diesel , paraffin and gas , check them out optimist polaris , can also simmer for gentle cooking 😉👍 , heres looking forward to you next vid , all the best mark and jo 👍
if it wasnt for you paul me and my wife jo wouldnt of been up a hill cooking steak and onions in the cold , you have certainly rekindled the walking and cooking theme cheers buddy 😉👍
Suggestion ? Beef casserole, 21 mins cooking time which is perfect for the Trangia when full.. dice everything and do all your prep in the house, ingredients are, diced pre-cooked shoulder beef, potatoes, carrots, onions, olive oil, oxo and gravy granules.. it's actually a lot easier than messing around with pizza, fry the veg and beef in olive oil for 3-5 mins, add the oxo with boiled water, simmer for 15 mins until veg are soft then add bisto granules. leave to stand for 3 mins, Way better than any dried meal.. or Pizza snack and it's perfect fuel for winter hikes. hope you try it. 😊
My mate does huge stews and casseroles on his trangia when we go out. Swears by it. I wish I had the patience cos the food he makes looks bloody lovely 😂
@@AndyWardle Cool , you should try it too , you can't beat traditional food. when it's cold and you're walking long distances you need a substantial meal. Those dried meals give me chemical heartburn Lol and they look awful too.
@@vr_gamers8116 I’m loving wayfarers chicken tikka at the minute. I’ve tried loads and this is lovely. But come the milder weather I reckon I’ll get into the trangia gang. 👍
Fire pot chilli cheese dip. 400g of chilli con carne 1 pot of seriously strong soft cheese and table spoon of mayo. Whack I all in a pot mix it together cook it till it hot through turn the gas off and eat with Doritos it become a family favourite around the camp fire
Where’s Paul gone, 😂😂 replaced by a master chef from the Tv 😎😎 beech chopping board, curly birch handled knife,posh centre opening osprey, where does it end... mate that looked delicious, especially in that weather. Keep em coming Paul. Atb. Tony
Thanks, always good videos. Would a Primus or Trangia gas burner with the pre-heater loop or Soto Windmaster with regulator valve work better at low temperatures? I have seen Coleman Extreme C100 and C300 gas canisters (60/40 butane/propane instead of 70/30) advertised for use down to minus 27 deg C, but have not tried myself. Best wishes, stay well.
I’d like to see you cook Beef Wellington with all the trimmings, jealous stuck here in E.Yorkshire under Tier 3, really looking forward to getting back to the Peak District some time soon.
Hi paul, have you think in doing a meal with a low plastic consumption? i think is important to find more options with a lower impact in the enviornment. Would love to see some videos about this topic!
Hi Paul,what bag was that?Gear list is saying exos 48,also why do you bring the smallest gas canister when your only as you said 3 miles from home,I know it’s part of your cooking packing set up but it’s not very cost effective,appreciate the videos👍
Maybe time for a svea 123? Had my first problem with camping gaz in summer 1981, Davos, switserland ...early morning low temperatures due to the elevation...next year....car gasoline..
Nice recipe idea Paul - bet that went down a treat on a chilly day👍 Always resort to one of my meths stoves when weather goes subzero - although I know ‘winter’ gas is available nowadays. Not of the brussel sprout variety. 🤣 Have you tried a gas canister ‘sock’ ? - as a mate of mine swears by it, and won’t use meths because of the smell.
I was interested in how modern gas stove would be in the cold weather, you just answered my question the exact same as 20+ years ago. In the late 1990s we tried gas stove up Ben Lomond on a snow/icy winters day, wet and cold we fired up the gas stoves for coffee and lasted 3 mins before they froze and no hot water, since then I used Trangia stoves but the cooking time is slow but consistent but works in all weather at least. Would be good to see the cold canisters would work at below 0 and in windy conditions probably -10 wind chill. I know this sounds extreme but i have been out in plenty conditions like this ie headtorches during the day as snow is so thick and dark clouds at heights. I watch you channel a lot and enjoy the reviews on equipment as mine are old and need updated but have never let me down so keep using them
My gas stoves have not be efficient in autumn and spring with a bit a chilly damp and cold winds. The actual outside temps were ambient too. They are great in summer though but it doesn't actually have to be that cold for them to loose efficiency
Liquid feed (ie inverted canister) with gas stove equiped with pre-heat pipe is the answer. Wind chill has no effect upon inanimate, non-moist, objects.. they can't be cooled below ambient. I've used Kovea stove using n-butane only (cheapo 99p supermarket canisters) well below 0°C. The problem with upright stoves when using propane 30%/ n-butane 70% mix in temperatures approaching freezing, is that the propane molecules vapourises first leaving only the butane .. the resultant gas vapour pressure drops to an extent that it's unusable. Stoves equipped with gas-regulators are useless under such circumstances too. (there's little pressure to regulate).
@@antduke2361 Butane-only in very cold weather needs a liquid feed (ie pre-heater pipe) stove. Only stipulation is to fire it up on gas feed using gas canister warmed inside clothing. Otherwise use Propane/Butane mix ... the propane vaporises below zero enabling the pre-heat pipe to heat up sufficiently.. a minute or so.. for the canister to be inverted for liquid feed.
I was struggling with a canister stove in the chill the other day and was like, "I bet this never happens to Paul Messner." During the winter, I normally switch back to alcohol stoves, but have been looking into remote or "inverted" canister stoves as another option.
I really like my remote stove (10yrs old now and have never gone back to using a can-top stove), but wish mine had a preheat tube so I can safely invert the can.
@@Frank_NemoYou might have said just use petrol too There is still a limit for propane/butane mix - if you can liquid feed a gas stove you can use it in lower temperatures.
I literally paid $20 AUD (about $15 USD) for a 24cm Tefal pan and used a screwdriver to remove the handle for later quick re-installation on the trail. This skillet costs $90 AUD directly from Jetboil, plus $10 shipping, putting it at $100 AUD (approx $77 USD) for a skillet that's both smaller and no better in its cooking abilities than a $20 Tefal from the supermarket. The folding handle is convenient I guess, but the price is horrendous for what it is...
Hi, if you were just going in the car would you leave the gas screwed on? I have go system and Iv never unplugged it. A man at the campsite changed it for me but it lasted like a year but it was a huge can compared to your red one. Deffo going to try pizza next trip😋
Hey Paul, have"nt camped for years so my gear is totally outdated, gettin back into it again will be solo, wondering what gear you would recommend, tent, bedding etc, tks. class site by the way
Don't know if there are any (not being a camper,just an avid follower...) why not invent,if there isn't already one,a 'can cosy' for use in cold weather...we can go 50/50 on all sales...Good vid,btw,though where was the brew ?
Butane - Doesn't burn below 0c
Propane - Burns down to -40c/f
Gas cans are mostly Butane because it burns more efficiently, therefore its cheaper and lighter.
But they mix in some propane to give it a bit of a lower operating temperature, so just look for a high propane content when using in cold weather.
Pineapple on pizza.
And for such a long time I've been thinking you were an alright sort of guy, Paul.
As long as theres a decent amount of gas in the canister I've never had a problem with normal gas in the winter, i made a ' jacket ' out of an old bit of thick sleeping mat taped up and slides over canister, plus another piece cut into a circle to fit on the bottom with three cut outs for the tripod stand. Use it every winter even in snow. I have one of those adapter valves so i can transfer gas from one can to another or you can just put part filled cans away til the summer.
I have a free standing stove and in these conditions I can shake it up and turn it upside down which helps. Also put your gas canister in your trouser pocket to get it nice and warm.
Hey Paul, wrapping a sock around the canister in cold conditions works wonders..or anything else to insulate it from the direct cold air. Been doing it for years.
Yep true
Cold weather does affect the chemical reaction.
@@michaelpegg5994 it's not really a chemical change. It just loses pressure in the cold.
@@CryptoRoast_0 You’re wrong buddy. It’s stored as a liquid which vaporises to fill the space. If the liquid is too cold the vaporisation is very weak and so can’t fill the chamber and pressurise so you get a weak flow of gas and a poor flame. 🔥
@@michaelpegg5994 I'm pretty sure we're just saying the same thing in different ways lol.
LOVED it! My third backpacking trip I took solely a jar of peanut butter, a jar of strawberry jelly, and a loaf of sliced bread. Comfort foot at altitude is something else entirely.
Fry up spam cubes and chopped onion, add a bag of microwave rice, heat through and mix in an egg, then some pepper and soy sauce. Fast and tasty. Very much enjoy your videos, thanks for being out there when I am too mardy to get my boots on.
Who else doesn't go camping but loves watching his videos? 😃👌
Planing to. but I only want to cook coffee.
I dont camp much in the UK anymore. I've been spoilt by Scandinavia, in comparison the UK just really isnt that great 😅. Dont get me wrong, theres some beautiful spots in the UK but Scandinavia is a whole other level.
I love backpacking here in the USA. I’ll have to try that when my daughters hike with me.
@@CryptoRoast_0 Try the Highlands of Scotland.
@@BrokenBackMountains yeah its beautiful, and I hope to go back to scotland soon, but as I say, scandinavia is a whole other level. Sweden & Norway are the two best countries I've ever wild camped in, and I've camped and hiked in around 13-14 countries so I dont say that lightly. Eastern Europe is phenominal too, Poland, Slovakia, etc.
Hi Paul, nice recipe for the hills. On trick to combat your gas problem is to heat some water in a pan and then stand the stove in the hot water.
Good shout, Every morning I just wrap the canister with my hands, the heat from them alone usually gets the flame
pressure roaring again...
The water doesn't necessarily need to be hot, it just has to be liquid.
One advantage of using a wind shield with your stove, some of the trapped heat keeps the canister warm and lets you run at lower temps. For winter or high altitude I love my petrol coleman stove works anywhere all the time 😀
Brilliant idea - I pride myself on my camping cuisine but have never thought of that one.
Great video as always! I will try this with the kids when I next take them to the mountains. I'm from the U.K. but have lived and hiked in Japan for the last 12 years. It's great to have a British voice to listen to and get opinions on and see the places I used to walk in. Great channel keep it up!
Hey. Boil some water, get a cup that is slightly larger than your canister, pour some hot water in it and then place your canister inside. Your canister will put out more. That tiny temp difference is all it needs. From NW Ontario, Canada.
Winter fuel also helps too. But with my experience using MSR 4 season, I was also suffering the same problem. The above hack works, left the Dragonfly stove at home.
Thanks Paul, great video as always👍 made my mouth water just watching! To help with the gas issue just make a small pot-cosy and as long as you keep it as low as possible and away from the flame you won’t have any issues, but yes, it’s easier to keep meths at burning temperature, failing that any gas stove with a pre-heat tube, like the Primus Spider will sort you out, you can also invert the canister as the liquid gas is vaporised in the tube before it gets to the burner 😂 hope that helps! My son uses this stove in the Norwegian winter.
Thanks Paul 👍 Really enjoyed that video. Would definitely like to see more camp cooking content. I want to improve on my current half frozen pre made curries I always take 😎
Great recipe for any time. Yes Paul, any gas released from a high pressure container will cause the temperature inside it to drop.
Love that snow, Paul. Looks great up there and you're lucky living in a beautiful part of the world. Very beautiful. Thanks for the useful tip about the gas. I think they're little fried pocket sandwiches, and they look delicious. Must try! Thanks
Multi-fuel stoves for the win. Been let down by gas to often and spirit burners are difficult to light in the cold, so its a multi-fuel stove once temps go below 5 deg C.
Two weeks after you bigged up your Minimo as well! Sods law! Good effort though to cook in the open in that weather. Thanks for your work.
The liquid gas inside the canister draws heat from the metal canister in order for the liquid to boil and vaporise as gas. If the ambient air temperature is low then the vaporisation is a lot slower.
Sit your gas cylinder in water. Ice will not freeze to the outside and you will keep the outside of the cylinder as zero degrees rather than -something. It's better than doing nothing.
In Aus I use a 4 season mix canister. -10 and lower in Trangia gas burner in winter no problems. Bakers in the old days used to use their false teeth to go around the edges of pies and pasties.
Easy fix for the gas, A bit of copper 1 inch wide, and a magnet to hold it on the can..
Cut the copper and bend it so it's near the flame the heat transfers from the flame down the copper to the can... You can bend the copper in or out from the flame if it gets too warm.
Only in cold weather tho.
Been doing this for years, and was able to use my gas well above the artic circle when others had change to fuel stoves..
Another great video, and some breathtaking scenery.
As a suggestion to help level your stove if you know anyone who is a joiner or window fitter ask if you can have three packing wedges. Take up no weight but could be a big help.
Nice Sarmies 👍.
Pineapple on Pizza .. you're one of the converted 👍. Yep, it's time to bring out the Trangia or (in my case) the Optimus 8R and put the Gas into Winter Hibernation.
Those Bread Crusts are great for cleaning cooking and eating utensils .. one of the few times one can eat one's wash rag afterwards.
Menu suggestions? Cold Winters Breakfast .. Oats with an assortment of 'Add-Ins'. I'd have it at home for supper too .. if I was allowed to or lived alone 😊.
But then .. I like Pineapple on my Pizza .. Take care ..
Myself and the lad love cooking 'Camp pizza' which is a tortilla folded with pizza base sauce, a sprinkle of cheese and some torn sandwich ham. All heated up on the trangia till the cheese is oozing out.
The whole reason I made an alcohol stove is for this exact reason, gas just doesn't do very well below 5C or so though they are cheap enough it was kinda fun making one.
I had a similar issue with a Coleman gas canister on my D of E in Cumbria. To get around it, I'd heat up a mess tin of water for a few minutes, and then plonk the canister in the heated water to give it some umph when I was cooking with it. I think these days I'd use an alcohol burner once it goes below ~5 degrees
How did you heat the mess tin of water? :-)
@@BradleyHoward very very slowly 😀. I could still light the stove, so used that, but it wouldn't get hot enough to cook with
Hi Paul just letting you know that a lot of carp anglers put their gas cannister inside a cosy during winter. You can see them on every carp angling shop.
When I go hiking in the cold, I use multifuel stove for cooking. Gasoline does light up in every condition I hike in. It's a bit more work too get it started though, but once you do it can be even faster that gas
Great video. Looks delicious 😋. I have just upgraded to a remote canister stove which gives me the ability to invert the canister for use in cold weather (Optimus vega) works great and is now my 4 season stove. It’s more stable too and easier to use with windshields as well 👍
Fair play to you for lugging all the kitchen supplies up the mountain! Look forward to the video on winter camping kit!
Thanks for the lunch idea. Your cansiter should operate fine if in sits in a small pan of liquid water. That insures the gas is above 32*F .
Looks very tasty. I think I’d make those up at home in the kitchen and bring them in a ziplock to save all the faff of cutting crusts off in the field. 😂👍. I guess some people will enjoy the full outdoors kitchen experience though! With the gas problem in the cold - I use an Alpkit Koros stove. I think there are a number of advantages of hose-type gas stoves over canister top stoves - much more stable, lower to the ground so you can use a smaller wind shield, and when it’s cold and the gas is condensing to a liquid in the canister, you can invert the canister and so the fuel will continue to flow. There’s also a pre-heat pipe so that if the fuel is flowing in liquid form from the inverted canister, it gets pre-heated and converts back to gas before it reaches the nozzle. You can also gently and carefully shake the canister if you have to without having to take your pot off the heat. Great stove for cooking with gas when it’s cold and they’re only about £45 for a 125g titanium stove. 👍
Neil , good tips . Thanks
Those pocket pizzas showed promise, you certainly got me thinking. I might prep a couple in advance at home and cook them up next time I'm out. I talked myself out of one of those jet boil skillets about a year ago because of the price but each time I see you use yours my resistance melts just a little more, I am sure I'll crack before long. Great video and can't wait for your winter packing one next (my favourite camping season).
If you use the jetboil or the MSR veil you won't have the issues. The Minimo is meant for colder weather as it has a regulator built in to help manage the flame. Great job
Intricate little cook up there mate, looks so tasty! What a great view too. Take care Paul, have a good week, Simon
Great vids as always mate!
How about a nice bit of Bubble and Squeak on the stove pan with a little cheeky fried egg on top? Easy to transport, easy to make and very comforting up on a cold mountain with a little brown sauce 😋
Awesome idea! Calzone outdoors! Mmmm
A suggestion for future, cheese & spring onions quesadillas!! Just discovered them and they're delicious.
2 tortila wraps, cheese, spring onions, fry in butter like you just did. Chilli optional.
Also, I just discovered a great hot bedtime winter drink... Cloudy apple juice, cinnamon... Heat it up! That's it!
Good video Paul, you could do a camping cooking series of weird and wonderful recipes for wildcamping!
Nice simple recipe. Just what’s needed on the hills. 👍
very tasty, does demonstrate why I personally no longer use gas stoves, too many components that can fail
Ah!! They're pizza bites!!! I like to make a mean chili choritzo tortilla pizza on the trangia (recipe courtesy of fellow UA-camr Thom, from Off The Beaten Pot). They go down a storm, and easy. Nice video, Paul!
As James Martin once said, "bitter, butter and batter makes everything taste better"....
Love it 🤣
Rest in peace
My first comment after half following you for a while. Superb. Posting from China, and you are one of the few UK outdoor channels taking covid seriously. I am a brit, and great to see you are staying local. 😂😷
Gas stoves have always had issues with cold weather. In the early days of gas canister stoves the usual gas was mostly(entirely) butane and while I loved my "modern" gas stove it was pretty useless in a winter camp in the Highlands especially in snow . Todays stoves seem to use a mixture of gases,. Primus "Power Gas" uses a '4season mix' of Butane ,isobutane and propane .
It may help if you can compare different brands gas cans to find a different mix. Although I have not had the opportunity to try it I have been told that MSR 80/20 is good for cold weather.
Maybe a good topic for a youtube vid 😊😊
Keep well and thanks for another entertaining vid.
We had some great weather up North, really frosty this morning to. Come down from my morning hill walk to a new video 😁👌
Love it :D Can't wait to see more camping recipes from you! I usually cheat and find a pub but have done steak, potato and veg and sausage and egg sarnies before. Rest of the time just boring boil in a bag ^_^' Those little nalgenes are very handy though :)
That is the reason I don't use my Optimus crux in the winter. No remote attachment and no preheater tube. Even the propane/butane mix can cause problems. Petrol for the winter for me.
Anyhoo, you know all that. Thanks for the recipe. Looks like good scran. Going to give it a try. I will be able to leave my county from the 18th so can head to the next county and attempt a post lockdown hill. Seriously out of shape.
Always a good day when I wake up to a new Messner video!
I actually use the "extreme" and had so far never problems (up to minus -11 I tried). On Thursday I did for example a Steak with asparagus - just needed to open the valve a bit more and it worked fine.
I really do miss the exposed gritstone of the Peaks. Favourite spot for me is the Roaches. Oh Pineapple is for upside down cake and nowt else🤣
Great idea Paul I must try, I have same issues with the jetboil in the cold
The gas can freezing and losing pressure is the main reason I switch to the MSR XKG in winter.
The surroundings of the video are pretty. The sandwich you made looks so delicious. I'm glad to subscribe to your great channel. From Woongkham, a South Korean UA-camr.
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Just tried these, quick, easy and tasty . Yummy 😋 and I'm no cook!
thanks Paul - dosed with a cold so enjoying watching you out and about again as I am wheezing away indoors on a glorious cold, bright weather day in Ireland :( Like the cooking tips - agree with the butter, but dear god man - Pineapple.... :) Maybe sprinkle you Pizza Season mix directly on the Tomato Puree - will help it stick to it in the wind
Lovely grub!
Smashing video, as always. Cheers mate
I have to say they looked very tasty Mr Messner, I will have to try them for sure. When I go fishing I have a canister cosy I use which helps with keeping the gas warm and going, its not fool proof but does help (Fox, Nash or Trakker are all company's that sell them) BUT I have to comment pineapple on pizza noooooooooo, so wrong! cheese, meat, more meat, more cheese and jalapeño's is all you need! Great video as usual
another great video paul 👍 the same happened to me last week which finally made me purchase my first liquid fuel stove , 3 minute boil 1ltr water in 0 degrees running on petrol , it can also run on diesel , paraffin and gas , check them out optimist polaris , can also simmer for gentle cooking 😉👍 , heres looking forward to you next vid , all the best mark and jo 👍
if it wasnt for you paul me and my wife jo wouldnt of been up a hill cooking steak and onions in the cold , you have certainly rekindled the walking and cooking theme cheers buddy 😉👍
Suggestion ? Beef casserole, 21 mins cooking time which is perfect for the Trangia when full.. dice everything and do all your prep in the house, ingredients are, diced pre-cooked shoulder beef, potatoes, carrots, onions, olive oil, oxo and gravy granules.. it's actually a lot easier than messing around with pizza, fry the veg and beef in olive oil for 3-5 mins, add the oxo with boiled water, simmer for 15 mins until veg are soft then add bisto granules. leave to stand for 3 mins, Way better than any dried meal.. or Pizza snack and it's perfect fuel for winter hikes. hope you try it. 😊
My mate does huge stews and casseroles on his trangia when we go out. Swears by it. I wish I had the patience cos the food he makes looks bloody lovely 😂
@@AndyWardle Cool , you should try it too , you can't beat traditional food. when it's cold and you're walking long distances you need a substantial meal. Those dried meals give me chemical heartburn Lol and they look awful too.
@@vr_gamers8116 I’m loving wayfarers chicken tikka at the minute. I’ve tried loads and this is lovely. But come the milder weather I reckon I’ll get into the trangia gang. 👍
We had similar weather up there on Sunday... (or was this Sunday?). Also surprised to see how many people out n about 👍
Great exampel of simpel meal, tanks! Wonna try something like that with my kids!
Fire pot chilli cheese dip. 400g of chilli con carne 1 pot of seriously strong soft cheese and table spoon of mayo. Whack I all in a pot mix it together cook it till it hot through turn the gas off and eat with Doritos it become a family favourite around the camp fire
Me55ner's mountain meals! Great tastes, great views!
Great video, thanks for sharing Paul.
Nice video bud, and well done on cooking in sub-zero!! I think it's a gas thing between butane and propane, but I could be wrong!?
Very funny to look at. Makes me so happy in the Coronatime, lots of Love😘😘😘
Fried bread pizzas. Fantastic.
Happy Christmas Paul.
Nice one Paul. I make something similar but use chorizo and pitta breads instead.
Paul.....you must be in your element in the hills with all that snow,,,hope the gear is living up to your expectations !
Where’s Paul gone, 😂😂 replaced by a master chef from the Tv 😎😎 beech chopping board, curly birch handled knife,posh centre opening osprey, where does it end... mate that looked delicious, especially in that weather. Keep em coming Paul. Atb. Tony
Brilliant Paul they looked lovely .. that weather eh lololol character building they used to call it
The winter games is really good
Hi paul , those mini bites looked very easy&nice to make ( must try them ) that's a nice knife the tbs boar edc they are quality legal carries 👌👍
Thanks, always good videos. Would a Primus or Trangia gas burner with the pre-heater loop or Soto Windmaster with regulator valve work better at low temperatures? I have seen Coleman Extreme C100 and C300 gas canisters (60/40 butane/propane instead of 70/30) advertised for use down to minus 27 deg C, but have not tried myself. Best wishes, stay well.
I’d like to see you cook Beef Wellington with all the trimmings, jealous stuck here in E.Yorkshire under Tier 3, really looking forward to getting back to the Peak District some time soon.
{Pat Dickinson did a full roast dinner in his tent!
Hi paul, have you think in doing a meal with a low plastic consumption? i think is important to find more options with a lower impact in the enviornment. Would love to see some videos about this topic!
Love it! I’m no cook but I’m keen to give these little pizza fried sarnies a go! Great video Paul. Keep up the great work. ATB - Julia (UK)
Another great video! Thanks and yes you made me hungry once again!! LOL. Looked really good!
I’d love to see more of these! How about a Mexican quesadilla? Similar idea, but with a shop-bought flour tortilla on either side,.
Hi Paul,what bag was that?Gear list is saying exos 48,also why do you bring the smallest gas canister when your only as you said 3 miles from home,I know it’s part of your cooking packing set up but it’s not very cost effective,appreciate the videos👍
Maybe time for a svea 123? Had my first problem with camping gaz in summer 1981, Davos, switserland ...early morning low temperatures due to the elevation...next year....car gasoline..
Oh wow definitely going to make those pizza bites! Delish 😍 Thanks for the mini Nalgene bottle info-just what I need 😊👍
Nice recipe idea Paul - bet that went down a treat on a chilly day👍
Always resort to one of my meths stoves when weather goes subzero - although I know ‘winter’ gas is available nowadays. Not of the brussel sprout variety. 🤣
Have you tried a gas canister ‘sock’ ? - as a mate of mine swears by it, and won’t use meths because of the smell.
Love your stuff mate , many thanks 🙏🏻. What knife is that mate ? Looks a very nice one . Take care 👍
I was interested in how modern gas stove would be in the cold weather, you just answered my question the exact same as 20+ years ago. In the late 1990s we tried gas stove up Ben Lomond on a snow/icy winters day, wet and cold we fired up the gas stoves for coffee and lasted 3 mins before they froze and no hot water, since then I used Trangia stoves but the cooking time is slow but consistent but works in all weather at least. Would be good to see the cold canisters would work at below 0 and in windy conditions probably -10 wind chill. I know this sounds extreme but i have been out in plenty conditions like this ie headtorches during the day as snow is so thick and dark clouds at heights.
I watch you channel a lot and enjoy the reviews on equipment as mine are old and need updated but have never let me down so keep using them
My gas stoves have not be efficient in autumn and spring with a bit a chilly damp and cold winds. The actual outside temps were ambient too. They are great in summer though but it doesn't actually have to be that cold for them to loose efficiency
Liquid feed (ie inverted canister) with gas stove equiped with pre-heat pipe is the answer. Wind chill has no effect upon inanimate, non-moist, objects.. they can't be cooled below ambient. I've used Kovea stove using n-butane only (cheapo 99p supermarket canisters) well below 0°C. The problem with upright stoves when using propane 30%/ n-butane 70% mix in temperatures approaching freezing, is that the propane molecules vapourises first leaving only the butane .. the resultant gas vapour pressure drops to an extent that it's unusable. Stoves equipped with gas-regulators are useless under such circumstances too. (there's little pressure to regulate).
@@karenripley3678 The Butane ones you mention have been the worse ones I've ever tried in conditions no where near Freezing
@@antduke2361 Butane-only in very cold weather needs a liquid feed (ie pre-heater pipe) stove. Only stipulation is to fire it up on gas feed using gas canister warmed inside clothing. Otherwise use Propane/Butane mix ... the propane vaporises below zero enabling the pre-heat pipe to heat up sufficiently.. a minute or so.. for the canister to be inverted for liquid feed.
I see you're rocking a new backpack Paul! Very nice!
I was struggling with a canister stove in the chill the other day and was like, "I bet this never happens to Paul Messner." During the winter, I normally switch back to alcohol stoves, but have been looking into remote or "inverted" canister stoves as another option.
I really like my remote stove (10yrs old now and have never gone back to using a can-top stove), but wish mine had a preheat tube so I can safely invert the can.
In cold weather, just use a propane (or propane/butane mix) canister.
@@Frank_NemoYou might have said just use petrol too There is still a limit for propane/butane mix - if you can liquid feed a gas stove you can use it in lower temperatures.
Top tips, thanks all! Definitely a new thing for me!
Fantastic video Paul! I will definitely have to give the pizza bites a go on a future camp, maybe even a glug of hot sauce too!
I literally paid $20 AUD (about $15 USD) for a 24cm Tefal pan and used a screwdriver to remove the handle for later quick re-installation on the trail. This skillet costs $90 AUD directly from Jetboil, plus $10 shipping, putting it at $100 AUD (approx $77 USD) for a skillet that's both smaller and no better in its cooking abilities than a $20 Tefal from the supermarket. The folding handle is convenient I guess, but the price is horrendous for what it is...
Hi, if you were just going in the car would you leave the gas screwed on? I have go system and Iv never unplugged it. A man at the campsite changed it for me but it lasted like a year but it was a huge can compared to your red one. Deffo going to try pizza next trip😋
Fab vid.❄😀. We do bacon , cheese, eggy bread toasted sandwiches in the tfgear . They are lush.😋😉
A bit of oil aswell stops the butter burning
Pineapple? On a Pizza? YES, yes it belongs there. Can't go wrong with it!
Stop it Gordon!! Great video definitely going to try these next time I'm out
Hello Paul ,that s looked very nice something warm inside you on a day like that , where s Jo today ?
Where do you get your foldable frying pan? Love your vids!!
Pizza Bites = Toastie :-)
Hey Paul, have"nt camped for years so my gear is totally outdated, gettin back into it again will be solo, wondering what gear you would recommend, tent, bedding etc, tks. class site by the way
Don't know if there are any (not being a camper,just an avid follower...) why not invent,if there isn't already one,a 'can cosy' for use in cold weather...we can go 50/50 on all sales...Good vid,btw,though where was the brew ?
@@TheMcspreader Ah...back to working then.
Awesome buddy been up there for a cook.. enjoyed vid .. cheers Chris & Sam