11:42 "This switch up here, I really don't know what it does." It opens up the mancubus areas in _both_ green rooms. Since they are already both open by the time you get to it, nothing happens. The same switch in the other green room does the same thing, which is why the mancubi in the second room are already released when you get there. That's not the only duplicate function that operates both rooms. When you shoot the baphomet in the first green room, it also raises the matching wall in the second green room. And vice versa. That's why you had revenants and mancubi when you got to the second green room. The way to avoid that is to not open the revenant wall in the first room. Now you will encounter only the mancubi in the second room, and then open the baphomet wall after you've killed the mancubi. This opens the baphomet wall in the first room, so you'll have to go back there later to get the revenants. Also, when you push the switch at the back of either room, it not only opens up the entry door to that room, it also releases the revenants around the red key. (In case you ever wondered what lets them out.)
Regarding the red key revenants: Walking up the steps on either side of the teleporter room releases the first batch of revenants. Walking on the raised side ledge on either side releases the second batch. Walking on the northern raised section releases the third batch. Touching the exit threshold of that room releases the fourth batch. This works in both copies of the teleporter room.
Hey +Big Mac Davis, i found out that the switch at 11:40 has the same purpose of the previous one at 9:20 : Open the wall for the mancubi, since you opened it the first time, it seems to do nothing, but if you passed the first time without activate it, you'll notice it's function the second time. Greetings from Mexico, and thanks for the walkthrough!!!
LOL, I just posted the same thing. Yes, the switch in either room opens up the mancubus wall in _both_ rooms. I also discovered that shooting either baphomet wall opens up both baphomet walls. You release the revenants in the second room when you open the baphomet wall in the first room. I recommend not opening it in the first room. Then go back later to get those revenants, by themselves. Also, the switches in the back of both rooms not only open up the entrance door for that room, but they also release the revenants around the red key.
I love this level - I believe it has every weapon & monster in the game (aside from the Cyberdemon & Spider Demon), which makes it ideal for testing out gameplay mods.
I always wondered why this level was called a Condo & why it came after the mines map. Observing this carefully it makes sense! This level is where all the working souls of Hell reside & live their required lives outside of their toiling work in the mines nearby, hence the "Condominium" aspect. This is reflected in the overall structure AND architecture which also borrows plaza-like community elements. Not just incidental sequence but well-planned, intentional flow of Doom's story & its Hell universe albeit done subtly. Well played, Carmack and pals, well played.
For anyone trying to 100% this map on vanilla doom 2 you can't. The 2nd minimap item in the revenant/mancubus room cannot be picked up in vanilla doom 2. Otherwise the game can be completed 100% (map 15 requires the pain elemental to obtain the secret behind the heavy weapons guy which can be seen in the video by zero master. this map [27 - monster condo] also requires a linedef to get the secret area on top of the teleporter switch in the hidden area where the pain elementals are).
@@TimDavis77 oh it's way worse than that for me, I went through the center portal before shooting the rocket at the back wall and once I worked into the second iteration of the room not only could I not pick up the mini map item nothing else works and everything is bugged out. Can't shoot the back wall can't open the front door either. Lost my entire save 😩
Ah such a wonderful map this is. Certainly one of the most, if not the most, difficult map in doom 2. So many crafty traps with strong monsters behind them. The name certainly fits the map.
Two points. The switch in the second mancubi room opens the mancubi wall in that room. It works if you take the teleporter before opening the revenant wall in the first mancubi room. If you don't open that first revenant wall, the walls in the second room will be closed when you teleport. Secondly, you don't need to jump onto the green potion to get back to the starting area. Approaching the skull light on the other side will open a smaller access wall that you can use to return to the starting area. BTW, thanks for the tip on opening the secret wall in the first thirty seconds of the level. I couldn't figure out how to open that thing!
I've always found Monster Condo tough, so the walkthrough you've provided will definitely come in handy. The Spirit World is my favourite map from Doom II also, I love the design and the music. :)
There are a few ways to make this map slightly easier. Especially the mancubus rooms. Go into the first mancubus room and don't press any buttons. Take the blue key and teleport. Then in the second room, fire at the demon wall to reveal the revenant(s) and kill them. Then proceed out of the room. Once done with all those enemies outside the room, Go back to the yellow door and the first room and deal with the revenants there. Kill them and then press the button to reveal the mancubus. Deal with the mancubus in the first room then deal with them in the second room. Now it becomes a much more manageable task instead of having to rely on sheer skill to kill revenants and mancubus at once. This also allows you to use all the soul spheres instead of wasting them by getting them all simultaneously
You’re telling me I’ve been fucking around for twenty minutes looking for a secret that can only be accessed within the first thirty god damn seconds? FML
I wonder if it was mentioned before that one can stop the "30 second secret" from closing quite easily. Make your way to the room, stand under the raised wall and wait for it to lower. It will stop at Doomguy's height and not squish him or lower after he steps out or in under it. The stash inside the secret really comes in handy later on!
Thanks buddy. I'm currently on this level. After mastering Doom 1, including Thy Flesh is Consumed. I'm struggling with that 2nd area with the manucubus and revenants!
I once got stuck in the duplicate teleporter rooms with the mancubus and revenants. The door wouldn't open. The wall at the far end wouldn't open. Sometimes the game can glitch out there and you get stuck there forever. :(
Your dad is right. When a computer beeps before the OS boot, this means that something is wrong with the hardware. Yeah, this map is tough, but you did a great job on the biggest traps with a good use of the Invunerability along with the BFG. And you don't need to apologize, my friend. =)
What was funny is that my computer was beeping even after booting up. But regardless, we removed the memory stick and I will replace it in a couple days.
I agree. When I first built a PC with Windows Vista (maybe it was XP SP2 then upgraded?), I've noticed that the CPU cooler wasn't exactly all that great, and boy, did the beeping ever drive my parents nuts! Although, little did we know that rig died about six months afterwards, because I had no problem how to fix that! Lesson learned from builds after that.
First off, great videos, love watching them, your commentary is second to none. I have to agree with you this being the hardest map in doom 2, made harder for me because in an impatient rush to load my game during a real difficult frustrating area i accidentally saved over my game after dying and resetting at the start of the level with just a pistol O.o something i don't recommend BUT is definitely a challenge if anyone needs it haha, anyways thanks for the great videos BigMacDavis and look forward to seeing more
Love your videos bigmac!! Hope you're able to continue with scythe soon. I know you try to make these videos to help out the average player, but I still die a lot in this one, in the revenant\mancubus rooms. I just wanted to point out a different way (albeit, longer, with some backtracking), but at least I can get through without dieing now. In the first Mancubus room, don't hit the switch to open the mancubus', just shhot the wall and take care of the revenants, then teleport, in the 2nd room only the revenants will be opened up. It's more manageable for players with my skill level. Anyway, keep up the great work, you're the best
14:15 The Hanging Corpses Don't SERVE As Cover In Brutal DooM. But For Compensation, They ALL Do Give Health And Armor Bonuses When Destroyed. Yeah, They Even Get Destroyed Through BFG Blasts. Something Small, But Much Needed, Given How Hard Brutal DooM Is.
This is the first video from this channel that i watched, i was looking for a walkthrough of this level some time ago and i found this video, and i still like it =D
I speak Spanish so sorry for the language. Cool! amazing!! I've seen all your videos so far and you've given me the desire to play this incredible game of my childhood. Thank you very much for the tutorials, I subscribe now and I will follow you on your channel. I hope you upload many more videos!
I came here because I couldn't find the red skull key. Turns out it was hidden by all the revenant and hell knight corpses. Also, I fell for just about every trap (and died MANY times). Also, I didn't know about the secret you have to run to at the start of the level. Thanks again for this EXCELLENT walkthrough.
from my newfangled dooom 2 drive and impetus, I managed to finish this and the previous map in 1 go, with only 1 save, secrets 80 percent. Good for me, thank You!!
Thank you #BigMacDavis for showing the way to get to the 1st secret, I've always used noclip there because I tried every single thing trying to open it and got nothing. Next time I play this map I'll follow your hint. And agree it is the hardest map of Doom 2 along with map29 (The Living End)
@@Yes_Fantasy_419 Wow, my original comment is six years old! Yes, those levels are exclusive to the Xbox 360 version but you can find WADs online for them. I've only ever played them on my PC. They're actually really good!
@@expressnumber Try LightningBoltForever. He's a competent well-spoken and entertaining player. I've used his walkthrough of NRFTL for 2 of my 3 playthroughs.
I like to use the baphomet teleporter before. Because you can hide behind the door to kill the Revenants. Brazilian here. Congratulations for the videos!
I hate Pain Elementals, Lost Souls and Revenants. Those homing missiles .... always found them annoying. I love Arch-Viles though unless they are in a cluster resurrecting big monsters and zapping you constantly.
I've been researching whether it is possible to achieve 100% secrets on this level and Industrial Zone and apparently it IS possible. What is required is for the player to strafe/wall run onto the teleporter bypassing the bit that teleports you. An alternative is to rocket jump. Both methods work allegedly.
This map really was rough took me a while to get though it with enough energy for the next level, but I now wish I saw this a little sooner for that 1st secret lol
Another good one my friend :D This map is though as you said and filled with what we can call non-forgiving "death traps" for those who try to rush it the "Rambo" way lol. BTW you don't have to apologize for not making videos. We all understand there is a lot more than just youtube things and lots of stuff can happen outside "youtube life". We surely missed you and your videos of course but we aren't stupid at the point to only care about your videos and not about yourself. So don't be too hard on yourself and please don't put too much pressure on your shoulders about making videos. I know you are inducing a lot of yourself in your videos and it's showing in every video you make so don't worry too much :) With that said, see ya for your next video and till then take care :D
That was funny when you said "stupid Revenant", and speaking of Revenants, that Revenant didn't want to hang out alone, he wanted to join the Mancubus crowd, that's a paddlin
This may have been said before but there's no way to get oldest sorted first ... You can easily get the first secret to stay open, just park yourself on the edge and when the walls try to close - you block that, and it won't crush you. So if you can't use all the ammo now, it'll be available later. Sorry if that's already been posted. Great job, as always, Big Guy! 👍
I love this map. It's hard, yes, but even the very first time you play thorough it, you may very well survive it, if you keep cool and don't panic. The traps are not designed in a way that almost forces you to reload several times, because you keep dying in the same spot, until you've figured out how to deal with it. This map, you can just react, and quite possibly survive. That kind of gameplay is a lot more enjoyable. To me at least.
I think I may have trapped myself in the room right after you said, "Do not step on the teleporter yet." Since I didn't shoot the wall with the bald headed demon in the first room, it wasn't open in the 2nd room and now I can't leave.
I recently played through Doom, knowing nothing about this level, and it gave me so many jumpscares that, by the time I was at the red door, I didn't trust anything.
if he used 32-bit windows xp, than not. 2 gb was maximum under windows xp. It was not enough only for high-res cancer players, that are , and always been a cancer. And of course, they cannot be silent even after 6 years, always has to write their stupid things about not enough specs, even in old videos.
Wow! You kinda lost a memory stick, but you're still able to record. Also, I enjoyed your witty comments while listening to "Waiting for Romero to Play". Also, that level was kinda disturbing because of the hanging bodies. Anyways, nice video.
As much as I loved this map for lots of action and the way these traps are triggered, I also have to complain about two annoying things: inaccessible secret on a teleporter (why do they keep placing them on teleporters?!) and two computer maps. Your source port didn't give you a problem, but in vanilla Doom 2 that I play it's impossible to pick up a second computer map if you already have one, but it still counts towards items, so 100% items is impossible on this map... :(
11:40 the switch doesn't do anything because these 2 are supposed to be the same room, and they actually look perfectly identical. In the first variation of the room, when you first enter it through the front door, the switch reveals the Mancubus patch on the left side, but once you take the teleporter to the second variation of the room (which looks identical), they are already open, so the switch doesn't do anything. It would open the already open door. This entire room (-pair) is basically a mind-twist game, because when you take the teleporter in the center, it seems like you just teleport back to the same room without going anywhere (with the enemies revealed/respawned), but the exit is changed to something else, because it's actually another room. I think this is very very cool and a mention of this mechanism would've been great, similarly to the Spirit World map design in the next video.
13:38 - there is technic that allows to activate this secrete (inside teleport) in the original Doom II (and in this port too) without cheat codes. You need to run into this teleport very fast (probably with wall strafe shift), than you could get into teleport and not being teleported.
I liked this map but on my version i was stuck at 92/93 items as I couldn't pick up the second map, and also that first secret you showed i'd never have figured out on my own. Also that one that was bugged that required no clip. Kind of annoying but I have enjoyed your guides immensely.
I'm playing on Switch, so I don't have the idclip option (unless there's a cheat available but not in the menu), so I can't get the last secret and also the last item. I was coming here to ask about the last item. So thank you for letting me know I also can't get the last item so I can stop running around the map. I was wondering if it was that 2nd Computer Area Map. And thank you BigMacDavis for the walkthroughs from years ago!
Has anybody noticed the weird sounds in the room with the portal in the middle of the room . If you go at the end of the room , there's like weird whooshing sounds. I've only just noticed that recently . Pretty sure that wasn't there before . In fact the sounds were in it when I reached another area of the map as well. Creepy !
Yeah this map is large and packed full of enemies. I also did notice it is trap like of a map. There are alot of Soulspheres, so unless one loses alot of health like that, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to get out with 200% health. Good to have you back BMD, and sorry about your memory stick.
I love these walkthroughs! It's like watching the "Bob Ross" of DOOM.
well said lol
Perfect description.
You sounded like a dog owner who's dog just pooped on the carpet: "Oh no Revenant."
:DD
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
this map felt like Doom 3, creepy music, dark areas, monsters everywhere.
In half-life is the same-monsters and soldiers everywhere.
@@ВиториоКлиментов what do you mean?
Half-life is also a scarry game.I mean this.
I watch you vids
This level scares the pants off of Doom 3
11:42 "This switch up here, I really don't know what it does."
It opens up the mancubus areas in _both_ green rooms. Since they are already both open by the time you get to it, nothing happens. The same switch in the other green room does the same thing, which is why the mancubi in the second room are already released when you get there.
That's not the only duplicate function that operates both rooms. When you shoot the baphomet in the first green room, it also raises the matching wall in the second green room. And vice versa. That's why you had revenants and mancubi when you got to the second green room. The way to avoid that is to not open the revenant wall in the first room. Now you will encounter only the mancubi in the second room, and then open the baphomet wall after you've killed the mancubi. This opens the baphomet wall in the first room, so you'll have to go back there later to get the revenants.
Also, when you push the switch at the back of either room, it not only opens up the entry door to that room, it also releases the revenants around the red key. (In case you ever wondered what lets them out.)
Regarding the red key revenants: Walking up the steps on either side of the teleporter room releases the first batch of revenants. Walking on the raised side ledge on either side releases the second batch. Walking on the northern raised section releases the third batch. Touching the exit threshold of that room releases the fourth batch. This works in both copies of the teleporter room.
Hey +Big Mac Davis, i found out that the switch at 11:40 has the same purpose of the previous one at 9:20 : Open the wall for the mancubi, since you opened it the first time, it seems to do nothing, but if you passed the first time without activate it, you'll notice it's function the second time.
Greetings from Mexico, and thanks for the walkthrough!!!
*deports*
okay thanks for answer. i was wondering too what it does
LOL, I just posted the same thing. Yes, the switch in either room opens up the mancubus wall in _both_ rooms.
I also discovered that shooting either baphomet wall opens up both baphomet walls. You release the revenants in the second room when you open the baphomet wall in the first room. I recommend not opening it in the first room. Then go back later to get those revenants, by themselves.
Also, the switches in the back of both rooms not only open up the entrance door for that room, but they also release the revenants around the red key.
I love this level - I believe it has every weapon & monster in the game (aside from the Cyberdemon & Spider Demon), which makes it ideal for testing out gameplay mods.
I always wondered why this level was called a Condo & why it came after the mines map. Observing this carefully it makes sense!
This level is where all the working souls of Hell reside & live their required lives outside of their toiling work in the mines nearby, hence the "Condominium" aspect. This is reflected in the overall structure AND architecture which also borrows plaza-like community elements.
Not just incidental sequence but well-planned, intentional flow of Doom's story & its Hell universe albeit done subtly. Well played, Carmack and pals, well played.
Wow, I actually REALLY like that idea. Ya'll are much deeper thinkers and better observers than I ever will be. :)
I really love the design of this map; it looks like a library/archives.
This map gives me a huge Plutonia vibe, I love it.
For the longest time I kept thinking it was in Plutonia. I had to play vanilla Doom II again to find it lol
Fun fact: Satan himself never directly shows up in the Doom franchise because he was the one who designed this idiotic level.
Still responding to comments 9yrs later, love this. Usually i wouldn't sub to walkthrough channels but might just have to. Absolutely gold
Thank you!!! Much appreciated. 9 years is a long time but I still remember doing them.
For anyone trying to 100% this map on vanilla doom 2 you can't. The 2nd minimap item in the revenant/mancubus room cannot be picked up in vanilla doom 2. Otherwise the game can be completed 100% (map 15 requires the pain elemental to obtain the secret behind the heavy weapons guy which can be seen in the video by zero master. this map [27 - monster condo] also requires a linedef to get the secret area on top of the teleporter switch in the hidden area where the pain elementals are).
That explains why I can't get every item. I have the latest PC version of DOOM 2 & I can't get 100% items
This bug with the map items is still there in the 2024 Kex remaster port of Doom 2, just a heads up to anyone using these walkthroughs.
@@TimDavis77 oh it's way worse than that for me, I went through the center portal before shooting the rocket at the back wall and once I worked into the second iteration of the room not only could I not pick up the mini map item nothing else works and everything is bugged out. Can't shoot the back wall can't open the front door either. Lost my entire save 😩
Monster condo gave me so much trouble, ended up coming to you and found a walkthrough on it. Helped me tons!
Ah such a wonderful map this is. Certainly one of the most, if not the most, difficult map in doom 2. So many crafty traps with strong monsters behind them. The name certainly fits the map.
you are helping me a lot with doom I appreciate it
Two points. The switch in the second mancubi room opens the mancubi wall in that room. It works if you take the teleporter before opening the revenant wall in the first mancubi room. If you don't open that first revenant wall, the walls in the second room will be closed when you teleport. Secondly, you don't need to jump onto the green potion to get back to the starting area. Approaching the skull light on the other side will open a smaller access wall that you can use to return to the starting area. BTW, thanks for the tip on opening the secret wall in the first thirty seconds of the level. I couldn't figure out how to open that thing!
I've always found Monster Condo tough, so the walkthrough you've provided will definitely come in handy.
The Spirit World is my favourite map from Doom II also, I love the design and the music. :)
"This is invulnerability is a real lifesaver"
You don't say... :P
Ah, the Magnum Dong map...
:3
I thought I was the only one
"Stupid Revenant..." hahahahah
You hate the revenant.
Because Revenants have Hellish Missile Launchers
wtf those hair?
There are a few ways to make this map slightly easier. Especially the mancubus rooms. Go into the first mancubus room and don't press any buttons. Take the blue key and teleport. Then in the second room, fire at the demon wall to reveal the revenant(s) and kill them. Then proceed out of the room. Once done with all those enemies outside the room, Go back to the yellow door and the first room and deal with the revenants there. Kill them and then press the button to reveal the mancubus. Deal with the mancubus in the first room then deal with them in the second room. Now it becomes a much more manageable task instead of having to rely on sheer skill to kill revenants and mancubus at once. This also allows you to use all the soul spheres instead of wasting them by getting them all simultaneously
did this... good call !!!!!
You’re telling me I’ve been fucking around for twenty minutes looking for a secret that can only be accessed within the first thirty god damn seconds? FML
One of the STUPIDEST secrets in all of Doom II.
I wonder if it was mentioned before that one can stop the "30 second secret" from closing quite easily. Make your way to the room, stand under the raised wall and wait for it to lower. It will stop at Doomguy's height and not squish him or lower after he steps out or in under it. The stash inside the secret really comes in handy later on!
Wow this is definitely my favorite map of Doom 2! Such a great environment with the library and heavy monsters!
Now my life is complete having heard the words: "Peek-a-boo shoot them to death with the BFG" :D
Amazing vids, well commentated!
I reckon I died as many times as there were enemies on this map. Your walkthrough ensured success. Thanks again Big Mac!
Yeah, this map is really hard. Glad the video helped. :)
Thanks buddy. I'm currently on this level. After mastering Doom 1, including Thy Flesh is Consumed.
I'm struggling with that 2nd area with the manucubus and revenants!
That area is tough!!
You're the best at Doom 2! Thank you so much for the walk through sir.
Really a tough map it is.
You can skip the entire map with an archvile
I once got stuck in the duplicate teleporter rooms with the mancubus and revenants. The door wouldn't open. The wall at the far end wouldn't open. Sometimes the game can glitch out there and you get stuck there forever. :(
Huh
@@maxwellmegagamer8535 The green room with the mancubus and the revenants. Sometimes you can go in there and it messes up and the door won't open.
Your dad is right. When a computer beeps before the OS boot, this means that something is wrong with the hardware. Yeah, this map is tough, but you did a great job on the biggest traps with a good use of the Invunerability along with the BFG. And you don't need to apologize, my friend. =)
What was funny is that my computer was beeping even after booting up. But regardless, we removed the memory stick and I will replace it in a couple days.
A very old PC that I had did this as well. Was the processor cooler almost stopping because how dirty it was, lol.
***** you should've backtracked to one of the previous areas in the starting room to grab the Green Armor vest
***** Is it just between everybody about the computer beeping, or is it an uncanny reference to the computer crashes?.
I agree. When I first built a PC with Windows Vista (maybe it was XP SP2 then upgraded?), I've noticed that the CPU cooler wasn't exactly all that great, and boy, did the beeping ever drive my parents nuts! Although, little did we know that rig died about six months afterwards, because I had no problem how to fix that! Lesson learned from builds after that.
This map really pissed me! Thanks for map guide! I barely can wait next map!
First off, great videos, love watching them, your commentary is second to none.
I have to agree with you this being the hardest map in doom 2, made harder for me because in an impatient rush to load my game during a real difficult frustrating area i accidentally saved over my game after dying and resetting at the start of the level with just a pistol O.o something i don't recommend BUT is definitely a challenge if anyone needs it haha, anyways thanks for the great videos BigMacDavis and look forward to seeing more
Welcome back mr Davies, glad you are back in business!
Thank you, my friend. :)
I love ur vidsss the commentary is awesomee :D! hope u do moree♥
If you stand under the doorway to the secret room and wait for it to try and close it will bind and then stay open for the duration!
i think this level is the peak of peterson's aesthetic tendencies to make his levels look like nonsensical pirate ship libraries
I found another bug. If you enter the Pain Elemental room without opening the door, you will be stuck inside.
That's why I came here lol cant move forward.
Haha I'm here for the same thing
Thanks to this guide, and saving, I had a lot less trouble in this than Barrels O' Fun. Thank you so much BigMacDavis, you're the best!
No problem at all, my friend. I'm glad it helped you out.
I kind of want to do a Doom II walkthrough myself, but I'm afraid it might be too much like yours lawlz
Plus, no CaptureCard
I don't mind if it's like mine. :)
Love your videos bigmac!! Hope you're able to continue with scythe soon. I know you try to make these videos to help out the average player, but I still die a lot in this one, in the revenant\mancubus rooms. I just wanted to point out a different way (albeit, longer, with some backtracking), but at least I can get through without dieing now. In the first Mancubus room, don't hit the switch to open the mancubus', just shhot the wall and take care of the revenants, then teleport, in the 2nd room only the revenants will be opened up. It's more manageable for players with my skill level. Anyway, keep up the great work, you're the best
14:15 The Hanging Corpses Don't SERVE As Cover In Brutal DooM. But For Compensation, They ALL Do Give Health And Armor Bonuses When Destroyed. Yeah, They Even Get Destroyed Through BFG Blasts. Something Small, But Much Needed, Given How Hard Brutal DooM Is.
One of the best pleasures of my life in particular... is... to start this level... with the single gun.... a pleasure of the life!!!!
This is the first video from this channel that i watched, i was looking for a walkthrough of this level some time ago and i found this video, and i still like it =D
It's 2024 and I am playing this on the ps4. Thank you so much for these guides!
Glad it's still helpful even on the newer consoles!
Music theme here reminded me Pantera's "This love".
I speak Spanish so sorry for the language.
Cool! amazing!! I've seen all your videos so far and you've given me the desire to play this incredible game of my childhood. Thank you very much for the tutorials, I subscribe now and I will follow you on your channel. I hope you upload many more videos!
Your language is perfect. And thank you, I have many more Doom videos planned for the near future.
What I hate is that once I pick up an automap, I can’t pick up the one in the mirror room. So now I can’t grab all items to 100% for the level
Yup, the port I'm using, GZDoom, allows for multiple automap pickups.
I came here because I couldn't find the red skull key. Turns out it was hidden by all the revenant and hell knight corpses. Also, I fell for just about every trap (and died MANY times).
Also, I didn't know about the secret you have to run to at the start of the level.
Thanks again for this EXCELLENT walkthrough.
I love the noises the barons make when you kill them.
This map is one of my favorites
There is library in this map.The library is full of monsters !
Love you're content keep up the good work
I went into this completely blind and paid for it dearly.
from my newfangled dooom 2 drive and impetus, I managed to finish this and the previous map in 1 go, with only 1 save, secrets 80 percent. Good for me, thank You!!
That room that you're in 6 minutes in is the first place I went the first time I played this level. I was caught unaware
Definitely.
Thank you #BigMacDavis for showing the way to get to the 1st secret, I've always used noclip there because I tried every single thing trying to open it and got nothing. Next time I play this map I'll follow your hint. And agree it is the hardest map of Doom 2 along with map29 (The Living End)
9:12 they recreated this room in 2016 Doom
Where?
Will this playthrough cover the 'No Rest for the Living' episode? I could really use some BigMacDavis kind of help on some of those levels!
Isn't that exclusive to the Xbox 360 arcade version?
@@Yes_Fantasy_419 Wow, my original comment is six years old! Yes, those levels are exclusive to the Xbox 360 version but you can find WADs online for them. I've only ever played them on my PC. They're actually really good!
Arim Oh they were released with the bfg edition in 2012 and I believe it’s available with the latest wide release across consoles from last year
I’m about to play them for the first time! Are there now any BigMacDavis vids to see me through?
@@expressnumber Try LightningBoltForever. He's a competent well-spoken and entertaining player. I've used his walkthrough of NRFTL for 2 of my 3 playthroughs.
wow such great content BigMac! Love the way you speak and show us how to do it all!
The teleporter isn’t impossible to get the secret on. It’s easy with the power of wall running.
that unknown switch is to lower the 4 squared lifts with reverants, which you can also lower them 1 at a time.
5:01 how about some tricks as well?
Good pun.
@@BigMacDavis thx
i love your walkthroughs
Monster Condo is tough as nails but it's a fun kickass map. One of my favorite Doom 2 Maps.
I like to use the baphomet teleporter before. Because you can hide behind the door to kill the Revenants.
Brazilian here. Congratulations for the videos!
My most hated monsters
1:lost souls
2:archvile
3:chainguners
Good list. I'm surprised a Revenant isn't on there though.
revenant is cool
I hate Pain Elementals, Lost Souls and Revenants. Those homing missiles .... always found them annoying. I love Arch-Viles though unless they are in a cluster resurrecting big monsters and zapping you constantly.
I love pain elements but just not the lost soul part
I sneakily watch your Doom 2 videos while at work and then punch my boss in the face
I've been researching whether it is possible to achieve 100% secrets on this level and Industrial Zone and apparently it IS possible. What is required is for the player to strafe/wall run onto the teleporter bypassing the bit that teleports you. An alternative is to rocket jump. Both methods work allegedly.
ufff,BMD map 27 well done,and all 100%, very, very, very dangerous map, and more traps.ufff,now map 28, I'm on it.
This map really was rough took me a while to get though it with enough energy for the next level, but I now wish I saw this a little sooner for that 1st secret lol
Very helpful buddy. I am nearly finished with doom 2. My favourite old skool shooter
This is one of my favorite maps. It felt so interesting throughout with many demons to kill.
Another good one my friend :D
This map is though as you said and filled with what we can call non-forgiving "death traps" for those who try to rush it the "Rambo" way lol.
BTW you don't have to apologize for not making videos. We all understand there is a lot more than just youtube things and lots of stuff can happen outside "youtube life". We surely missed you and your videos of course but we aren't stupid at the point to only care about your videos and not about yourself. So don't be too hard on yourself and please don't put too much pressure on your shoulders about making videos. I know you are inducing a lot of yourself in your videos and it's showing in every video you make so don't worry too much :)
With that said, see ya for your next video and till then take care :D
This is going to be the best 17 mins of my day
....I forgot to shoot the Demon Wall in the Blue Key room!
I had to IDCLIP out, because I panicked, and thought I was stuck lol.
Yeah, I still don't know why they decided to make that a shootable wall.
That was funny when you said "stupid Revenant", and speaking of Revenants, that Revenant didn't want to hang out alone, he wanted to join the Mancubus crowd, that's a paddlin
3:20 I like to kill this arachnotron with the chainsaw, good strategy to save ammo.
Nice strategy!
After 10 years still very helpful
This level is dope the design everything is like a giant wall hiding stuff it’s great
NO wonder I never found that first secret. That's just evil lol.
in vanilla doom the hanging bodies do not provide cover. same with the flaming barrels in barrels o fun. ZDoom seems to turn these into "hard" objects
This music track is amazing.
They should have an option for classic music in the new dooms
This Love - Pantera
I love how this level has a unique somber soundtrack.
This may have been said before but there's no way to get oldest sorted first ... You can easily get the first secret to stay open, just park yourself on the edge and when the walls try to close - you block that, and it won't crush you. So if you can't use all the ammo now, it'll be available later. Sorry if that's already been posted. Great job, as always, Big Guy! 👍
Yeah, it's been said a few times over the years, and since then, I have tried it out and it works, thanks. :)
I love this map. It's hard, yes, but even the very first time you play thorough it, you may very well survive it, if you keep cool and don't panic. The traps are not designed in a way that almost forces you to reload several times, because you keep dying in the same spot, until you've figured out how to deal with it. This map, you can just react, and quite possibly survive. That kind of gameplay is a lot more enjoyable. To me at least.
I think I may have trapped myself in the room right after you said, "Do not step on the teleporter yet." Since I didn't shoot the wall with the bald headed demon in the first room, it wasn't open in the 2nd room and now I can't leave.
Love your videos man!
BigMacDavies! Damn, I we missed you :)
I recently played through Doom, knowing nothing about this level, and it gave me so many jumpscares that, by the time I was at the red door, I didn't trust anything.
Damn, only 2GB of RAM even before the memory stick failed? That must've been rough for video editing.
if he used 32-bit windows xp, than not. 2 gb was maximum under windows xp. It was not enough only for high-res cancer players, that are , and always been a cancer. And of course, they cannot be silent even after 6 years, always has to write their stupid things about not enough specs, even in old videos.
Wow! You kinda lost a memory stick, but you're still able to record. Also, I enjoyed your witty comments while listening to "Waiting for Romero to Play". Also, that level was kinda disturbing because of the hanging bodies. Anyways, nice video.
These videos helping me
i GB of RAM is hilarious 7 years later.
Mac, your page rocks. I'm grinding through it all.
Yeah, those are sad specs nowadays. Awesome, I'm glad you're enjoying these videos! :)
I come from the year 2022 BMD !! this video got my attention in the algorithm
"Whoops, I dropped my monster condo that I use for my magnum DOOM"
As much as I loved this map for lots of action and the way these traps are triggered, I also have to complain about two annoying things: inaccessible secret on a teleporter (why do they keep placing them on teleporters?!) and two computer maps. Your source port didn't give you a problem, but in vanilla Doom 2 that I play it's impossible to pick up a second computer map if you already have one, but it still counts towards items, so 100% items is impossible on this map... :(
11:40 the switch doesn't do anything because these 2 are supposed to be the same room, and they actually look perfectly identical. In the first variation of the room, when you first enter it through the front door, the switch reveals the Mancubus patch on the left side, but once you take the teleporter to the second variation of the room (which looks identical), they are already open, so the switch doesn't do anything. It would open the already open door.
This entire room (-pair) is basically a mind-twist game, because when you take the teleporter in the center, it seems like you just teleport back to the same room without going anywhere (with the enemies revealed/respawned), but the exit is changed to something else, because it's actually another room. I think this is very very cool and a mention of this mechanism would've been great, similarly to the Spirit World map design in the next video.
13:38 - there is technic that allows to activate this secrete (inside teleport) in the original Doom II (and in this port too) without cheat codes. You need to run into this teleport very fast (probably with wall strafe shift), than you could get into teleport and not being teleported.
Yup, it is possible, I believe it's called skipping a linedef.
@@BigMacDavis , yes. It is name for this technic
I liked this map but on my version i was stuck at 92/93 items as I couldn't pick up the second map, and also that first secret you showed i'd never have figured out on my own. Also that one that was bugged that required no clip. Kind of annoying but I have enjoyed your guides immensely.
Yeah. In some versions, you can't pick up more than one Computer Area Map. And that sucks.
I'm playing on Switch, so I don't have the idclip option (unless there's a cheat available but not in the menu), so I can't get the last secret and also the last item. I was coming here to ask about the last item. So thank you for letting me know I also can't get the last item so I can stop running around the map. I was wondering if it was that 2nd Computer Area Map. And thank you BigMacDavis for the walkthroughs from years ago!
@@steveneptun7580 Awesome!! :)
Great walkthrough as always. I've been using this for my own 100% playthrough. Apparently, on the latest PC version, you can't get 100% items.
Hmm, that is a bit bizarre.
Im not sure if computer area maps count as items, but there were two on this level and my items are stuck at 92/93 x.x
Has anybody noticed the weird sounds in the room with the portal in the middle of the room . If you go at the end of the room , there's like weird whooshing sounds. I've only just noticed that recently . Pretty sure that wasn't there before . In fact the sounds were in it when I reached another area of the map as well. Creepy !
Yeah this map is large and packed full of enemies. I also did notice it is trap like of a map. There are alot of Soulspheres, so unless one loses alot of health like that, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to get out with 200% health. Good to have you back BMD, and sorry about your memory stick.