Nice video, I enjoyed watching it. You hit the nail right on the head when you talk about the unmatched consistency of carbon fiber shafts. I was an early convert and have been playing a Becue shaft, and butt, as the butt is entirely carbon as well. I chose to go with this cue for one reason - consistency. I found the perfect tip, for me, an ultra skin medium and I may be playing this same cue for many more years to come. Good rolls.
Hi Jamie. Thank you for the kind feedback. I share your opinion; carbon fiber shafts will give you consistent results over time. It will play more or less the same on day 1000 as on day 1.
@@alphacapo Haha, yea..you're right. Just like any Hollywood movie we watch. They don't edit together the mistakes from the actors. Makes them look like a pro..all of them :D
@@CueListings speaking of that. It helps to film yourself more than people think. I've done it a few times 2o min at a time and it makes me personally focus more. Plus I have footage of three rack runs in eight ball and 5 rack runs in 9. No misses. But I shut the cam off after I miss. Then you lose focus and shoot like a banger the next two racks and quit. Lol
Top pros are using them because they get paid to do so. Lol. There isn't any advantage to carbon. Keep your hands clean and don't beat your equipment and a good wood shaft can last u pretty much forever. I got wood shafting that's 40 yrs old and it's still in good shape. So I don't know what other guys do to their equipment
I hear you, however...I've discussed this with several top pros (most recently Jayson Shaw), and they would never play with equipment not up to standard. The payment from their cue sponsors is nowhere near what they would lose from tournaments and money games. So, I can understand where you are coming from, but it's not the case. The biggest advantage to a carbon fiber shaft is that it will not warp or easily get dings and scratches. A wooden shaft is much more exposed to humidity and can easily get scratches. I've always said: use whatever makes you feel the most comfortable at the table. Wood, carbon fiber, or a broomstick 😂
@@CueListings funny thing is they don't have to worry about dings and warps they get new equip all the time for free.....honestly I feel graphite is cheaper to manufacture. Faster to manufacture....and its easier for a company to get consistant results.. the big plus is they have marketed it now as premium so profit margins are way up for compnies. I can remember when graphite was something only found o 50$ walmart cues. Lol. I've played with graphite (carbon...whatever u wanna call it)and it doesn't play or hit any better than a average wood shaft. A great wood shaft trumps carbon hands down imo. U have to buy and play with quote a few shafts but when u find the one....carbon doesn't come close to wood. And besides it feels good to buy a new shaft or cue every once in a while...to spark your interest. This carbon stuff is pretty much all the same. Its consistent. ...but it's boring as hell
@@alphacapo It seems you have well-thought-out opinions on the subject. I guess it's like with any other equipment; opinions will vary What feels right for one person, can feel totally off for another. 😀
@@CueListings while I have your attention. ..what's up with these Peri cues. They aren't big over in the states. I'm curious about them. I used to play with a local cue makers cues for 15 years. He's retired doesn't build anymore. Then I played with schon cues with ivory ferrule shafts and their standard WATER buffalo tips for 10 yrs. I recently switched to low deflection and went with mezz cues. I have three of them now and five of their different shafts. MEZZ plays great. And Great build quality. Are these peri cues coming out of lucasi predator facilities in china?
@@alphacapo Hi. Peri has been around since 1995. They are maybe the biggest brand in the (billiards) world due to the reason that "everyone" in China prefers them. I would rather say that other brands came out of their facilities..rather than the other way around. Peri used to produce cues for a lot of more well-known brands (in the US). They have been making a push at the US market, but the pandemic seems to have slowed it down. They are similar quality to Mezz and the most expensive Predator cues (in my opinion). You can learn more here www.pericues.com Thanks for engaging!
Which has been your favorite so far? Thank you so much for these reviews - I'm still using my old 314-2, which is developing cracks :( Looking to the future with all the CF offerings!
Thank YOU for subscribing and watching :) In regards to a favorite carbon fiber shaft, it depends on how much you want to spend. I really like the Mezz Ignite and SL from Go-Customs, but they are both $500+ shafts. If you don't feel comfortable spending that much, I was really (!) surprised by the quality and playability of the $300 cue that includes a carbon fiber shaft from JFlowers (there is a review on that as well). I've just started these CF shaft reviews, there will be 9 more and a big comparison in the end. Stay tuned :)
Ignite is the best CF that I have tried. Solid hit and i like the feel. I tried the revo but I don’t like the sound of the hit. Cynergy is ok but i like the ignite better. I just wish they have more options on the diameter size of the shaft.
Great review as always. I've seen you review nearly every carbon fiber shaft out there but one. I haven't seen a review from you for the mcdermott defy. I've heard mixed opinions about it. But I was hoping to see a review from someone who's opinion I and thousands of other people trust.
Good question. Yes, I think it will take some getting used to. However, you should be able to adapt within a short time frame. Some take 2 hours, and others take 2 days. The key is to stick with it. I've seen too many give up too quickly and sell their new equipment on the spot :D Hang in there and reap the rewards.
Predator is the worst sounding shaft , but has a lower defection then other..plus with Predator you get no feedback...which I absolutely hate!!! Its probably my worst pick!!
Hi, I love the you are mentioning the reflection of light on the shaft. What was your experience with the go custom sl when comparing to the ignite? I own the previous generation GO2 shaft and sometimes the reflection is so bad that the shaft seems invisible and I have slight discomfort while aiming
Hi Spurs! I used a little more than 1 tip of right spin (center) on that shot. I think top left would have killed the speed at the second rail and also given a totally different trajectory (more towards the center of the table and hitting the 8 ball). Most likely I would have run into the 9 as well with top left. Thanks for your question! Keep them coming! :)
Hi! Any experience with the Universal Fire CF shaft? I play with the Cynergy but i just ordered the Universal CF shaft because the Universal Smart Shaft was the best shaft ive ever used, so im hoping the CF shaft they made is awesome too. A shame that their marketing is so terrible, they dont even have a website.
Hi Ghaith, to be honest, I haven't heard much about this brand. I know they a pretty generic brand coming from a rather big sports manufacturer, but that's all I know. I don't think they focus too much on pool.
Whenever you get around to it it would be great if you could do a review of the TIGER Products Fortis carbon fiber shaft. Its comes in 12mm and 12.5mm but I prefer the 12mm. The people need to hear its feedback sound. It’s unlike any other carbon fiber shaft out there in terms of response and playability. Love your videos man, keep it up.
By any chance do you have any experience with using a OB CF shafts and Rogue Pechauer cf shafts? If you do, which one do you feel has a lower ‘Tink’ sound?
Hi Kyzer. I haven't tested these 2 shafts yet. I will be posting a video comparing the sounds of 11 carbon fiber shafts very soon. You will be surprised by the result.
enjoying the vids... do you find the vibrations in the CF shafts to be similar in any brand? I've hit a couple of them Revo and Becue and they do have a good bit of vibration on firm hits. Also, have you come across any CF that have straight or conical taper? thanks!
After having tested 15 different carbon fiber shafts I'd say that most have similar vibartion...or rather lack of. They vibrate much less than a wooden shaft. No brand stuck out having considerable less then the rest.
Carbon fiber is all hype. My Z3 plays better. A shaft needs to be flexible to be a good low deflection shaft. Carbon fiber shafts doesn't flex because carbon fiber is way to stiff. The only thing they're good for is drawing the ball. There is more to the game than that. A good player can play just this good with a Z3 or 314-3 predator so save your money. I have been playing for 60 years and haven't found a shaft yet that plays better since I started playing with a Z3 or 314-3 predator.
Hi. I get your point. However, I don't think it's a matter of carbon fiber being "better" compared to wooden shafts. I think it's more a case of them being way more durable and give consistent results over time. A wooden shaft can warp and give inconsistent results. I think the advantages that a carbon fiber shaft gives are the reason why most pros have started using them...to get consistent results.
This advantage of a carbon fiber shaft is consistency. It won't warp, dink or anything like that. A wooden shaft is prone to the environment you bring it in to and it can easily scratch. At the end of the day, the big advantage of carbon fiber shaft is that it will behave the same way on day 1 and day 1000. A wooden shaft will not.
Hi Bryan! I would rate these 2 carbon fiber shafts the same. Both are top quality. I would be very surprised if you were disappointed by any of them. Are you accustomed to playing with CF shafts?
Water is perfectly fine to use on carbon shafts. On a wood shaft it will raise the grain of the wood and can cause permanent damage. Alcohol is a better choice because it evaporates far more quickly than water, but still too much liquid of any kind will mess you up.
Nice video, I enjoyed watching it. You hit the nail right on the head when you talk about the unmatched consistency of carbon fiber shafts. I was an early convert and have been playing a Becue shaft, and butt, as the butt is entirely carbon as well. I chose to go with this cue for one reason - consistency. I found the perfect tip, for me, an ultra skin medium and I may be playing this same cue for many more years to come. Good rolls.
Hi Jamie. Thank you for the kind feedback. I share your opinion; carbon fiber shafts will give you consistent results over time. It will play more or less the same on day 1000 as on day 1.
You shoot lights out. Your cue ball control is crazy good.
Thank you, sir. Sometimes I get lucky :)
I wouldn't film my mistakes and put them on youtube.. lol. If I put a 10 min vid of me shooting on youtube it's gonna make me look like a pro.
@@alphacapo Haha, yea..you're right. Just like any Hollywood movie we watch. They don't edit together the mistakes from the actors. Makes them look like a pro..all of them :D
@@CueListings speaking of that. It helps to film yourself more than people think. I've done it a few times 2o min at a time and it makes me personally focus more. Plus I have footage of three rack runs in eight ball and 5 rack runs in 9. No misses. But I shut the cam off after I miss. Then you lose focus and shoot like a banger the next two racks and quit. Lol
@@alphacapo I hear you :)
Top pros are using them because they get paid to do so. Lol. There isn't any advantage to carbon. Keep your hands clean and don't beat your equipment and a good wood shaft can last u pretty much forever. I got wood shafting that's 40 yrs old and it's still in good shape. So I don't know what other guys do to their equipment
I hear you, however...I've discussed this with several top pros (most recently Jayson Shaw), and they would never play with equipment not up to standard. The payment from their cue sponsors is nowhere near what they would lose from tournaments and money games. So, I can understand where you are coming from, but it's not the case. The biggest advantage to a carbon fiber shaft is that it will not warp or easily get dings and scratches. A wooden shaft is much more exposed to humidity and can easily get scratches. I've always said: use whatever makes you feel the most comfortable at the table. Wood, carbon fiber, or a broomstick 😂
@@CueListings funny thing is they don't have to worry about dings and warps they get new equip all the time for free.....honestly I feel graphite is cheaper to manufacture. Faster to manufacture....and its easier for a company to get consistant results.. the big plus is they have marketed it now as premium so profit margins are way up for compnies. I can remember when graphite was something only found o 50$ walmart cues. Lol. I've played with graphite (carbon...whatever u wanna call it)and it doesn't play or hit any better than a average wood shaft. A great wood shaft trumps carbon hands down imo. U have to buy and play with quote a few shafts but when u find the one....carbon doesn't come close to wood.
And besides it feels good to buy a new shaft or cue every once in a while...to spark your interest. This carbon stuff is pretty much all the same. Its consistent. ...but it's boring as hell
@@alphacapo It seems you have well-thought-out opinions on the subject. I guess it's like with any other equipment; opinions will vary What feels right for one person, can feel totally off for another. 😀
@@CueListings while I have your attention. ..what's up with these Peri cues. They aren't big over in the states. I'm curious about them. I used to play with a local cue makers cues for 15 years. He's retired doesn't build anymore. Then I played with schon cues with ivory ferrule shafts and their standard WATER buffalo tips for 10 yrs. I recently switched to low deflection and went with mezz cues. I have three of them now and five of their different shafts. MEZZ plays great. And Great build quality. Are these peri cues coming out of lucasi predator facilities in china?
@@alphacapo Hi. Peri has been around since 1995. They are maybe the biggest brand in the (billiards) world due to the reason that "everyone" in China prefers them. I would rather say that other brands came out of their facilities..rather than the other way around. Peri used to produce cues for a lot of more well-known brands (in the US). They have been making a push at the US market, but the pandemic seems to have slowed it down. They are similar quality to Mezz and the most expensive Predator cues (in my opinion). You can learn more here www.pericues.com Thanks for engaging!
Which has been your favorite so far? Thank you so much for these reviews - I'm still using my old 314-2, which is developing cracks :( Looking to the future with all the CF offerings!
Thank YOU for subscribing and watching :) In regards to a favorite carbon fiber shaft, it depends on how much you want to spend. I really like the Mezz Ignite and SL from Go-Customs, but they are both $500+ shafts. If you don't feel comfortable spending that much, I was really (!) surprised by the quality and playability of the $300 cue that includes a carbon fiber shaft from JFlowers (there is a review on that as well). I've just started these CF shaft reviews, there will be 9 more and a big comparison in the end. Stay tuned :)
Really like the cynergy. For me best in terms of the feel and feedback. Might not have the smallest deflection, but i really like the feel.
You shouldn't do defection anyways ...a lot of the carbon fiber shafts are the same...if it feel and hits great...thats what's important
Hi sir. Thank u for the review. I also use the ignite shaft too. The different is, you play very much better than me with that shaft 😃👍👍
Hi Steven. Thanks for subscribing! I does not matter who plays the best as long as you enjoy the game :)
@@CueListings thanks sir. I wish u all the best for the future. 👍🙏
Ignite is the best CF that I have tried. Solid hit and i like the feel. I tried the revo but I don’t like the sound of the hit. Cynergy is ok but i like the ignite better. I just wish they have more options on the diameter size of the shaft.
fr, we need 12.6mm ignite shaft
Great review as always. I've seen you review nearly every carbon fiber shaft out there but one. I haven't seen a review from you for the mcdermott defy. I've heard mixed opinions about it. But I was hoping to see a review from someone who's opinion I and thousands of other people trust.
Hi Matthew. The thing is...I don't want to speak badly about a product. I prefer to highlight the good products.
@@CueListings Message well received. Thank you.
Im planning to upgrade from a mezz hp2 to the Ignite. Do you think the aiming point will change due to the different tip diameter?
Good question. Yes, I think it will take some getting used to. However, you should be able to adapt within a short time frame. Some take 2 hours, and others take 2 days. The key is to stick with it. I've seen too many give up too quickly and sell their new equipment on the spot :D Hang in there and reap the rewards.
Stay with HP2, it has lower deflection than Ignite.
Can you do the meucci carbon pro?
Good suggestion! I'll do my best to get a hold of one!
What's your favorite carbon fiber shaft?? I would say my favorite is the Jacoby black.
Predator is the worst sounding shaft , but has a lower defection then other..plus with Predator you get no feedback...which I absolutely hate!!! Its probably my worst pick!!
do you have a cuetec cynergy 15k shaft for review?
Hi Warren. Yes, this will be coming very soon. Stay tuned :)
As requested :) A review of the Cynergy shaft from Cuetec: ua-cam.com/video/oPn9OG2JmE8/v-deo.html
Hi, I love the you are mentioning the reflection of light on the shaft. What was your experience with the go custom sl when comparing to the ignite? I own the previous generation GO2 shaft and sometimes the reflection is so bad that the shaft seems invisible and I have slight discomfort while aiming
That a perfect sounding carbon fiber shaft..thats the way you want it to sound!!
Yeah the predator carbon fiber shafts sounds the worst to me so far.
Have you tried the Lucasi pinnacle shaft and if so how does it compare to competitors?
What kind of spin is used for the shot at @4:47 ? Top left?
Hi Spurs! I used a little more than 1 tip of right spin (center) on that shot. I think top left would have killed the speed at the second rail and also given a totally different trajectory (more towards the center of the table and hitting the 8 ball). Most likely I would have run into the 9 as well with top left. Thanks for your question! Keep them coming! :)
@@CueListings awesome thanks!!! Left my side but yeah I meant right. Haha. Thanks
@@Spurs2k23 My pleasure. I figured you meant right :) I would be careful using top though. You can clip the 9 and/or run into the 8.
Anyone know how long the pro taper is? Trying to compare to the Jacoby Black.
I’ve been trying to figure this out too! Does anyone know how long the ignite taper is?
Around 14"
@@CueListings thanks! So it is shorter than the Jacoby Black.
Hi! Any experience with the Universal Fire CF shaft? I play with the Cynergy but i just ordered the Universal CF shaft because the Universal Smart Shaft was the best shaft ive ever used, so im hoping the CF shaft they made is awesome too. A shame that their marketing is so terrible, they dont even have a website.
Hi Ghaith, to be honest, I haven't heard much about this brand. I know they a pretty generic brand coming from a rather big sports manufacturer, but that's all I know. I don't think they focus too much on pool.
Whenever you get around to it it would be great if you could do a review of the TIGER Products Fortis carbon fiber shaft. Its comes in 12mm and 12.5mm but I prefer the 12mm. The people need to hear its feedback sound. It’s unlike any other carbon fiber shaft out there in terms of response and playability.
Love your videos man, keep it up.
I have the 12 mm fortis pro.
Too much deflection
Sir, where i can buy that legit supplier?
There are lots of legit dealers of Mezz products. Omega, Seyberts and others.
By any chance do you have any experience with using a OB CF shafts and Rogue Pechauer cf shafts? If you do, which one do you feel has a lower ‘Tink’ sound?
Hi Kyzer. I haven't tested these 2 shafts yet. I will be posting a video comparing the sounds of 11 carbon fiber shafts very soon. You will be surprised by the result.
@@CueListings awesome!!! When do you think you’ll be posting the video?
I'm looking to buy a peri cue but I noticed there a piloted radial dose it hit fine with a normal radial and is there any difference
The piloted Radial sometimes causes problems. It's 50/50
I sie a normal radial revo on my Peri and it works great
enjoying the vids... do you find the vibrations in the CF shafts to be similar in any brand? I've hit a couple of them Revo and Becue and they do have a good bit of vibration on firm hits.
Also, have you come across any CF that have straight or conical taper? thanks!
I've found it depends on the brand. The Pecaheur Rogue I found to have the least vibration.
After having tested 15 different carbon fiber shafts I'd say that most have similar vibartion...or rather lack of. They vibrate much less than a wooden shaft. No brand stuck out having considerable less then the rest.
Carbon fiber is all hype. My Z3 plays better. A shaft needs to be flexible to be a good low deflection shaft. Carbon fiber shafts doesn't flex because carbon fiber is way to stiff. The only thing they're good for is drawing the ball. There is more to the game than that. A good player can play just this good with a Z3 or 314-3 predator so save your money. I have been playing for 60 years and haven't found a shaft yet that plays better since I started playing with a Z3 or 314-3 predator.
Hi. I get your point. However, I don't think it's a matter of carbon fiber being "better" compared to wooden shafts. I think it's more a case of them being way more durable and give consistent results over time. A wooden shaft can warp and give inconsistent results. I think the advantages that a carbon fiber shaft gives are the reason why most pros have started using them...to get consistent results.
Just got a revo sp2 and I’m extremely happy with it
Awesome! Congrats with it!
@@CueListings thanks
Which sp2? I tend to by the red one sp2 so any information is welcome pls
@@keith14041914 I like the SP2's, but $900 for an onlay cue? Yikes! :D You can get the same quality for just $300 elsewhere.
I'm still using a wood shaft is there a real advantage to carbon fiber
This advantage of a carbon fiber shaft is consistency. It won't warp, dink or anything like that. A wooden shaft is prone to the environment you bring it in to and it can easily scratch. At the end of the day, the big advantage of carbon fiber shaft is that it will behave the same way on day 1 and day 1000. A wooden shaft will not.
@@CueListings I understand that but they are just as expensive as the cue is it worth the extra 3 to $400
@@kylepriest6245 I'd try a JFlowers when getting into the CF game
@@CueListings ok how expensive are they
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How do you compare the mezz ignite shaft to the jacoby black shaft ?
Hi Bryan! I would rate these 2 carbon fiber shafts the same. Both are top quality. I would be very surprised if you were disappointed by any of them. Are you accustomed to playing with CF shafts?
Why does every manufactures say not to use water? But it’s OK to use 90% alcohol lol
Water is perfectly fine to use on carbon shafts. On a wood shaft it will raise the grain of the wood and can cause permanent damage. Alcohol is a better choice because it evaporates far more quickly than water, but still too much liquid of any kind will mess you up.