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USTA National Tennis Rating Program: 4.0 NTRP level - Male tennis player
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2018
- #USTA National Tennis Rating Program ('NTRP")
Level-by-level informational videos for the recreational tennis player.
In this video, watch a 4.0 male #tennis player demonstrate groundstrokes, volleys, overheads and serves. NTRP is a classification system that identifies and describes general characteristics of tennis-playing ability from 1.0 (beginner) to 7.0 (touring pro). Within each #NTRP level, tennis ability varies. Learn more at usta.com/NTRP.
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First off, with all due respect to this guy I'd put my money on the 3.5 in the other video. With that said, if these are true ratings than everyone in my area are tanking. The average 3.5's are far better and the 4.0's would win in lopsided blow-outs.
Even the 3.0 guy in the other video is better than this guy
They very apparently matched up the wrong videos for 3.5 and 4.0 male players. This guy is 3.5 at best. Whereas the guy on the 3.5 video has 4.0 serves & groundstrokes that are 4.0 (or better)
I just watched both and don't think so. The 3.5 guy has a good forehand but moonball backhand with a forehand grip, middling serve and weak volleys. This guy isn't entirely orthodox but the strokes are likely effective in play.
what a crazy service. I wonder how hi actually hits the ball with all that weird moves :P
Lol why did they pick this guy. I mean, he may very well be a 4.0 (since rating is about your ability to win), but his technique is far from normal.
at the recreational level, the term "normal" is a very loose term
Ok my question is if these ratings are about ability to win, why do these videos focus so much on form? There are players who do nothing but slice off of both sides without any body rotation, who win at 4.5.
Ryan just really knows his ranks..im mean he's what 12 years old !
Seriously - his serve looked really awkward and his groundstrokes too but less so.
Ok, his technique is not "classic". Who's technique is in all aspects of thier game? Pro examples who won with interesting technique: Marion Bartolli, Ernest Gulbis, Jelena Ostapenko, Monica Seles, Fabrice Santoro.....the list can go on....so they made a good choice for the video. Everyone will not have classic technique, but yet are successful.
That serve would definitely throw me off XD
Yeah 4.0 but true on the weird technique.
He probably picked up tennis later in life.
LOL, this guys swing is just, classic
How can we get graded, because I feel like I should be a 3-3.5 and I’m playing better than this example of a 4.
What people need to understand is rating is the probability of winning match, not how beautiful your strokes look like.
That’s not true
@@chuckfriebe843 that's more true than false, actually. Have you seen bartoli, niculescu, dolgopolov, or even medvedev?
@@khariscakes9330 I see where you’re going with that. However, those players you mentioned,while having some unorthodox strokes, are masters of all types of spins, are able to serve at a pace with competency and equality to their peers. A guy in a club setting that hacks his/her way to a win, although a win it is, does not have the skills to “master various types of spin and pace” or “have a serve with pace AND placement”. There are certain criteria that enable players to play at a pro level in spite of their weird looking strokes. If you took someone like Bartoli and put her on a court with Serena Williams, she’d stand there and watch Serena’s serve go by. UTR ratings are more about the probability of winning a match, based on a history of winning at a certain level. No NTRP evaluator is going to give someone a 5.0 rating if they can’t hit with various types of spin and pace that is consistent with others at that level. People on the internet that claim to be 4.5 or 5.0 or whatever, are fooling themselves or there is someone rating them that is a friend, likes them as a “nice person” and/or simply doesn’t know what they are doing.
The biggest 'weird' component is his left side and arm are almost never really 'engaged'. Even after his serve toss, his lets his left side wither. FH and BH both start with the racket head DOWN all the way. Combined with the dead left side, it has a strange look. But if you can do it consistently and make the ball go over and land where you need it to consistently...you can be a 4,0
He might be injured or suffered a past injury
This is a 4.0 player???
This guy would for sure win his first and likely second service game against me because I’d be doubled over in laughter.
3.5
WRONG video!!! The guy show here is NOT a 4.0 player. It appears that you have the wrong video posted for this. This player has groundstrokes and volleys that appeared to be 3.5 strokes. His serve looks to be between a 3.0 & 3.5 level. This video does not match the verbal description for this level
OTOH, the guy shown on your 3.5 video looks MUCH better than this guy. The guy in that video has 4.0 serves and groundstrokes that could be 4.0 or higher. THE VIDEOS HAVE OBVIOUSLY BEEN SWAPPED. PLS CORRECT THIS OVERSIGHT
You need to watch more closely. Look at the 3.5's backhand scooping technique vs the compact swing here. Look at the volley grip and movement. Overall this is a stronger player even if some of the form is unorthodox.
Nope, not convinced. I've coached players for 25+ years and it is quite apparent to my eye that someone at the USTA has mislabeled the 3.5 and 4.0 videos.
The 4.0 guy (in the 3.5 video) has much better, more mature stroke mechanics than the 3.5 guy (in the 4.0 video)
I look at these rating videos and reckon I am a 4.0 to 4.5. Then I watch some of the match videos and the 4.0 players would beat me easily!
garethonthetube I don’t think you are 4.0 to 4.5
@@christian4478 walter
@@harleymax8553 what?
If you have never played a tournament you are very unlikely to be even 4.0
@@Gryffon3 True.
Fun video, nice ground strokes, looks like he has good conditioning . We can not see our racquet drop motion when we serve, that is why it is problematic . When he waves his arm like that he thinks he is doing a racquet drop behind his back. I did a video of my serve once and said "who is this guy, he is so slow and why is he doing a pancake serve"?
How can this guy be a 4.0?, his techinique us not even close to sound.., whereas a 4.5 player is one that has sound techinque.., there is not jyst one level beetwheen this guy and a 4.5.., any thoughts?
Serve is weird af
That dude would get crushed by a 4.0 with that serve
NTRP4.0 standard - "the ability to alter distance of shots", what does that mean?
@United States Tennis Association (USTA)
NTRP4.0 standard - "the ability to alter distance of shots", what does that mean?
It means being able to hit balls deep to drive opponents back and can angle it short and wide. Depth of shot is super important when hitting against higher level players.
Can you place the ball deep or shallow when the moment calls for that strategy? That’s what they mean by that statement.
What about me?. My first serve is inconsistance . But strong. And second serve is not so slow speed but still inconsistant😅
This guy is very quirky
I think 3.5 guy beats 4.0 9 out of 10 times based on these videos.
Lies
no chance. the 3.5 guy has more fluid strokes but he jumps/hops on every one and even hits off his back foot on some. he'd get crushed in consistency
I'm sorry but I consider myself a 3.5 and there's no way this is a 4.0 player.
this looks like 2.5
The serve LMFAOOOOOO
this guys is a 3.0 or 3.5
I played High School Varsity Tennis and I was better than this. Don't get me wrong, the guy is good but his movements seems stiff and forced. My coach would always repeat "relaxed fluidity with power". That was our one goal. Form over everything. Background. I played table tennis for 3 years before playing tennis so that had a somewhat carried over for tactics and nerves but not technique and stance. That took repetition and repetition to become decent at.
High school varsity may well be greater than 4.0.
@@rsmith02 only played it for a year from scratch. I had a background on table tennis so my double net defense is pretty good tho.
unnecessary background music!
Hell no. He is not a 4.0. Did that old man bribe you to use him as a 4.0? His serve is horrible and scared to use an overhead smash when the ball is hit over his head, but reachable to smash. Looks like a weak 3.0 and I’m being generous.
Yep. Totally agree. Someone’s idea of 4.0 is based on a local pool of shitty players.
He has a compact backswing to get the overhead back deep and not miss too much. As the video says most players at this level overhit and miss. If you don't miss you become a stronger player even if your form limits you.
That guy looked okay until they showed his serve. The 3.5 serve was a lot better.
3.5 serve looked like a forehand grip. It may well be workable and I doubt either of them are really weapons.
yikesy form, mate. wow.
worst 4.0 i ever saw hes beyond help.
No offense to this guy...but he has horrible form.
Lolz leave the guy alone
No. Don’t leave him alone. The guy in the video sucks.
@@chuckfriebe843 Most 4.0s suck then.
None of their videos have good examples of players.
Most of the NTRP videos are representative. From the ones that I've seen, only the 3.5 male and 4.0 male are wrong. The USTA obviously switched these two when they posted them 3 years ago. They have yet to correct the error
@@gregr999 They did not switch them, imagine the results of the shots and their effectiveness in play instead of just looking at the form and its aesthetics. A scoop backhand and topspin volley (3.5 guy) is not going to win matches.
This 4.0 has the ugliest groundstrokes overall. Terrible representation.
Winning ugly is still winning. The form is compact and doesn't have obvious hitches so I think it would work fine against 4.0s of a similar aged player (and I've played with an awful lot of 3.5 to 4.5s).
ahahhahaha
horrible technique!!
This guy will get destroyed in usta3.5 league in california...
All those things are true for a 4.0 player, but the guy in the video is not 4.0. His skill set is horrible. The serve, the volleys, nope.