Can we have a Poker Palace in NYC please? Gotta love this guy - "I usually play 1/3 but I don't mind stepping into this 10/25 game with a bunch of people who play for a living and buying in for almost $5000 in the largest game I've ever played in"
@@gerontius3 yes that’s what im saying. Casinos are supposed to go in here shortly. But I wouldn’t bank on rakes being very good considering how much people are paying underground…
@@kineahora8736 Yes I believe Empire in Yonkers will be opening a poker room in a year or so . I would imagine rakes would be similar to other casinos.
Great call, great player. Makes me wonder what kind of life he's living to usually play 1-3 and decide to take a shot with 5k lol. Also, love the self awareness. He's jamming turn because he's not sure he can call river even if it's the right move.
Yeah I like it too. I wouldn't trust myself either. And usually a 5 is a chop, A or K wins and any heart wins. Plus, there is this situation where aggressive player is trying to bully. I'd probably shove too in this situation.
Turtleneck Bart is the 🐐. If you see Bart show up to your table with the turtleneck on save some time and just hand him your stack. Some heroes wear capes, some wear turtlenecks
In the given situation if you're going to put enough chips in to be pot committed and you're only opportunity for fold equity is on a jam on the turn because there won't be enough SPR on the river I think in that given situation if you were planning to run with it you might as well take that strategy
Of course. That's a default response for everyone who's watching and a clear jam , even for the villian if the hands were reversed. Villian tried to prey on his fears. Hero was prepared to take this shot and drilled it.
Very interesting hand ... and I don't think Bart talked about what happens if you call turn and villain checks the River? So ... what does Hero do in that scenario? (a)Does Hero have enough showdown value to check back? (b)Does Hero have enough fold equity to take pot away from 88, 99, or 1010, or anothe AK? And is this second question more player dependent ... meaning is your opponent good enough to be bluff catching when they check the River with something like 88 or 99?
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In tough games it’s actually better to size down EP preflop. You want to lose the minimum when you fold to 3bets, keep the flop smaller when someone calls or 3bets IP, and force BB to defend a wider range (granted many live players have a very static BB defense range)
And the fact that almost nothing makes money from UTG when you open it at a big size. If you want to open more than a tiny % of hands from UTG you need to go smaller
Bart is making this a tricky situation when it doesn’t need to be. If you think about the combos you block plus the sb 3 betting range into the utg bettor, it’s more straightforward.
I agree. Realistically,* the worse hero can do on the turn is be up against 88 99 TT JJ QQ in which hero still has about 34% equity plus 7% to chop. *Sure, villain can show up with KK, AA, set, or a five in much lower frequency in which equity is much lower, but even then, hero will still have outs. These bad case scenarios are balanced out by the frequency in which the villain is crushed with heart draws, AK, or other no pair bluffs.
Seems like a scared 88--1010 might fold to the shove? Not that that would be a good play by the villain, but the big turn bet feels like a scared lower over pair
You played it the best way possible. The river might have been an offsuit 8 or 7, and then you would have lost to a rivered pair. Win while you're ahead with the chance of binking a Heart Ace or a King if he did call with an over pair to the board.
Shove river sounds right to me. Either you have him dominated with your hand or he has middle pp to QQ. You can get him to fold out those hands and any unpaired hand without giving him equity to see the last card. If he has middle cards like the 87 he had, you ain't looking at an 8 landing and going shit, I'm beat. It's going in regardless but you lost by giving him another card. Key thing here is don't go for the max in thin positions. Ignore that he may have bluffed off on the river and accept the higher probability payout
Preflop: I like 4-bet to 1300. Doesn’t give a decent price to the IP caller. Flop: it would be better if we had 4-bet. Now we have to call flop Turn: hmm SB has some 5s with A5s. You have 55 and A5s as well. I will lead if checked to (planning to double barrel) and call if led at, with 2 overs, gutterball, and nut flush draw. If I miss the river, I will take that decision at the time. But im inclined to bluff-catch here modified by any tells I can pick up. I think worst river probably offsuit Queen or Jack. One thing I would *not* do is fold the turn… [hmm turns out the worst rivers were 8,7, and non-heart 5). Turns out the turn jam denied 9 outs of equity!
Agreed. If he only calls, all his money is going in anyway unless the river is a dud and the villain shoves. Mind you if I am the villain here I am never folding Tens, Jacks, Queen etc. My mother would be sleeping under a bridge before that happened. Which leads me to conclude villain did not have a large overpair, or any pair.......
@@jamesjones2675 That's my point. He would be a huge fish if he didn't follow through on the river at a high frequency when he makes this bet on the turn.
You got to love the titles of all these vids… he sets up this great problem to solve but then just walks through the hand and never explicitly answers the question or statement given in the title. So if you’re good at poker you’ll understand what he’s referring too in his titles, but everyone else is out of luck… Bart, if you’re going to make declarations in your titles about what a player can learn from your vid, it would likely benefit most newer and lower rated players for you to give a sentence or two at the end of your convo illustrating the salient point of the vid…
I’m only on the flop in terms of watching this but I would add that most of the players in that game likely know that this guy is a one three player and they may be trying to push him around.
His range as the 3 bettor in the sb should be 99+, Ako, ATs+, A4-A5s… some of those are pure raises, some raise call or fold, some just raise/fold. You’re calling range as utg vs sb 3 bettor should look like AA-raise; QQ,KK, AKo, AKs, A5s-raise or call; AQs, 77, 76s, 65s-call; KQs, AJs, 88-JJ, QTs, JTs-call or fold; ATs,KTs-raise or fold, A4s-raise call or fold; AQo, KQo, KJs, QJs, K9s, A6s-A9s- Fold… so you have a slight range advantage on this board… but this is live poker so I wouldn’t be surprised if sb turned over pocket 2’s. good luck
UTG has a big range advantage on this flop. Preflop: SB should never be 3betting small pairs. While UTG can have all the sets as an opener and raise caller. This also gives UTG pocket 55. Both should have A5s and a little 56s.
You have to jam here. Unless you know the guy is a total maniac and will blast any river. But even then he could catch an offsuit 7,8, or 5 and stacks you
Why is there almost never a scenario in this channel where they encounter a board like this and bricks the river? So we can see how his thoughts on playing river spots.
I think this would be knowing your opponent too. 7 8 clubs there tells me thia dude is very wide. I might jam there too because I'm not good enough to call the turn and call a blank river. 😂 Too many outs too, and obviously right play against this player.
I disagree with Bart on calling turn to call river on a brick. The pot will be so large on the river that I’d argue a lot of SB’s bluffs will give up (bluffs that we beat on the turn and would possibly call a jam). There isn’t enough behind to bluff hero on the river after he makes such a strong action on the turn by calling a nearly pot size bet. To sum it up if hero flats turn SB is going to put him on a lot of overpairs that won’t fold on a brick river given pot odds.
Having ak here isn’t great because we block hands like aces, kings, and ace-x, and that leaves more combos of pocket pairs that beat us on the flop and turn…
Why is it so extremely unlikely that Villain bets pot on the turn with maybe as light as even JJ, with the intend to valuetown Hero ? - I mean, it is highly unlikely that either side connected with the board, so Hero has to continue rather lightly, while he is kind of capped; apart from obv 66/55. And, for the aftermath, 87s is among V's best bluffs; so, rather little to deduce from that.
Pot bet on turn with less than one SPR going to the river is unlikely because pocket pairs don’t want to play for stacks when you’re playing deep stacked (200 BB) poker. V’s bet on the turn is two pair+ or nothing. It’s far more likely that SB connects with this board than UTG if SB is playing a standard, wide 3bet or fold range. UTG has stronger range equity going to the flop but SB has better board coverage after the flop, as evidenced by 87s holding. Hero is not capped. SB’s 5x PF 3bet is large enough to suppress 4bets because what are you going to make it? $1.5k to $2k? Well then you’re < 1 SPR on the flop and you’re post flop life becomes very difficult with the overpairs in your range. Agreed 87s is one of V’s best bluffs, although would prefer 87hh to bluff here, despite H having hearts covered.
@@DrDizzyMorris Thanks for the answer! Both Hero in UTG and V can obv hold A5s and 66; they are probably too short for Hero to have 65s/54s, holdings that V (apart from JJ+) can have?! - The actual question may be: How tight/loose Hero has to play for stacks with that given board configuration, given that V has likely an overall Range AND Nut advantage . Then again: Bart is quite willing to stack off ( for less than 1/2 pot, admittedly ) on the River with A high, for those cases where he does not make his hand. - Let me put it that way: I could totally imagine an aggressive big-bet player like Adelstein to potentially value-own himself here with a higher Overpair, even for far more BB's , when in V's shoes. Just that it may be quite far from "standard" for small and mid stakes.
@@Badbentham Yup, I can agree that a hyper aggressive archetype like Adelstein would play an overpairs for stacks here in V’s shoes. Also agree it’s super rare to see that player type out here playing small/mid stakes. And my god, if you do, please switch tables immediately before you lose your entire bankroll. Also, yes A5s is in H’s range. 66- should not be since $500 3bet gives improper implied odds. I think this is one video where I disagree with a portion of Bart’s analysis. Turn is a mix of call/fold, and river is a fold unimproved (i.e. A high). I’d be interested to see what a solver outputs for this hand. I don’t imagine a solver is stacking off with A high on the river.
@@DrDizzyMorris My afterthought guesstimate: Probably Bart is correct, after all; - AKhh, with its equity, is certainly a far better hand on the turn than 88/77, which we have to (auto-) fold, because they block (e.g.) 87s. 🙄
No way I fold on the turn. I would likely jam on the turn also only because of my equity and in case he checks the river and folds. Especially if you won’t call his bet on a clean river. Even if he has queens, you have any 5, A,K or heart. Enough outs for me to jam and make him call with a hand that he’s getting good odds to call where if a heart, ace or king comes, he check folds.
@@losyart Obviously. But without knowing the guy had 78 and the hero even said he was giving him jacks or queens so he needs a heart, ace or king to win, 5 is outs to chop if he had an over pair and the hero doesn’t hit a winning card. If the villain had Jacks or queens the five would make him chop instead of losing the entire pot. That was my point
Can we have a Poker Palace in NYC please? Gotta love this guy - "I usually play 1/3 but I don't mind stepping into this 10/25 game with a bunch of people who play for a living and buying in for almost $5000 in the largest game I've ever played in"
Good luck. I can’t find a game in NYC that is raked reasonably…
@@kineahora8736 As the people who run these games like to say "Parx or Foxwoods are just two hours down the road"!!!
@@gerontius3 yes that’s what im saying.
Casinos are supposed to go in here shortly. But I wouldn’t bank on rakes being very good considering how much people are paying underground…
@@kineahora8736 Yes I believe Empire in Yonkers will be opening a poker room in a year or so . I would imagine rakes would be similar to other casinos.
The caller is a mini Batman
1/3 player jams $3800 in the big game. Good for him! 💪
Thinking he same he bossed that man
I really like this caller. "I did not have all of those thoughts during the hand"
So relatable for me haha
“You look like a guy who watches a lot of online poker.” Now I really want you to stack this guy
100%
Villian bluffed the turn into AKss nut draw with a banana sandwich!
Don't think he tries to rape the willing for the rest of the year.
I´d say "your mom looks like she plays youtube poker btch" at least or worse
Yo when he said he usually plays 1/3 quickly followed by "this is 10/25", I scrambled to try and find a second seat belt
Bart is the GOAT ventriloquist not moving his lips for half the vid. Props.
He makes a great face for three minutes... I don't know how he can keep so still!
Hahahahahahah 😂
Great call, great player. Makes me wonder what kind of life he's living to usually play 1-3 and decide to take a shot with 5k lol. Also, love the self awareness. He's jamming turn because he's not sure he can call river even if it's the right move.
Yeah I like it too. I wouldn't trust myself either. And usually a 5 is a chop, A or K wins and any heart wins. Plus, there is this situation where aggressive player is trying to bully. I'd probably shove too in this situation.
Another edition of Frozen Bart.
Turtleneck Bart is the 🐐. If you see Bart show up to your table with the turtleneck on save some time and just hand him your stack. Some heroes wear capes, some wear turtlenecks
Lmao
If he walks up to my table, I'll move!
Hahaha
no cap 💯
Barts face when he’s told that his friends would have folded the turn has got me in fucking tears
Only against a Nit, which this guy obviously wasn't.
In the given situation if you're going to put enough chips in to be pot committed and you're only opportunity for fold equity is on a jam on the turn because there won't be enough SPR on the river I think in that given situation if you were planning to run with it you might as well take that strategy
Of course. That's a default response for everyone who's watching and a clear jam , even for the villian if the hands were reversed. Villian tried to prey on his fears. Hero was prepared to take this shot and drilled it.
Thanks for having me on, Bart!
Very interesting hand ... and I don't think Bart talked about what happens if you call turn and villain checks the River?
So ... what does Hero do in that scenario?
(a)Does Hero have enough showdown value to check back?
(b)Does Hero have enough fold equity to take pot away from 88, 99, or 1010, or anothe AK? And is this second question more player dependent ... meaning is your opponent good enough to be bluff catching when they check the River with something like 88 or 99?
Wow! 1/3 player in a 10/25 game jamming there. Impressive!
so funny at around 3 minutes, "i'm assuming one of you has the other one covered" that's the sort of deep analysis i come here for!
How about a jam as a semi-bluff to try to fold out the smaller overpairs, where we’d prefer a fold but we aren’t in bad shape if he calls?
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I been watching poker for a while, and now starting to playing.
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Thanks!
Loved this hand 💪🏼
guy bluff rips in 12 stacks of his usual stakes - not too shabby 👍👍
In tough games it’s actually better to size down EP preflop. You want to lose the minimum when you fold to 3bets, keep the flop smaller when someone calls or 3bets IP, and force BB to defend a wider range (granted many live players have a very static BB defense range)
no one knows what you’re talking about
And the fact that almost nothing makes money from UTG when you open it at a big size. If you want to open more than a tiny % of hands from UTG you need to go smaller
It’s better but more because the players play better. They aren’t calling 5x opens with QJo like they do at 1/3
@@Hunter-bz1uk speaketh for thyself...
I’m the idiot in the villain seat making this exact play with 78s and every session wondering why I’m not making money
That is some sick ass James Bond villain secret weapon holdin turtleneck you got there, Bart!!
We didn’t even consider 67s. Definitely prefer a jam now cause he’s never bluffing the river for such a small size
5 of hearts river. 😂
Bart is making this a tricky situation when it doesn’t need to be. If you think about the combos you block plus the sb 3 betting range into the utg bettor, it’s more straightforward.
I agree. Realistically,* the worse hero can do on the turn is be up against 88 99 TT JJ QQ in which hero still has about 34% equity plus 7% to chop.
*Sure, villain can show up with KK, AA, set, or a five in much lower frequency in which equity is much lower, but even then, hero will still have outs.
These bad case scenarios are balanced out by the frequency in which the villain is crushed with heart draws, AK, or other no pair bluffs.
Seems like a scared 88--1010 might fold to the shove? Not that that would be a good play by the villain, but the big turn bet feels like a scared lower over pair
You played it the best way possible. The river might have been an offsuit 8 or 7, and then you would have lost to a rivered pair. Win while you're ahead with the chance of binking a Heart Ace or a King if he did call with an over pair to the board.
Shove river sounds right to me. Either you have him dominated with your hand or he has middle pp to QQ. You can get him to fold out those hands and any unpaired hand without giving him equity to see the last card. If he has middle cards like the 87 he had, you ain't looking at an 8 landing and going shit, I'm beat. It's going in regardless but you lost by giving him another card.
Key thing here is don't go for the max in thin positions. Ignore that he may have bluffed off on the river and accept the higher probability payout
What size to go for a 4-bet pre flop here? Is jamming ok? Or around 1500 and with intention to call 5-bet jam?
Preflop:
I like 4-bet to 1300. Doesn’t give a decent price to the IP caller.
Flop: it would be better if we had 4-bet. Now we have to call flop
Turn: hmm SB has some 5s with A5s. You have 55 and A5s as well. I will lead if checked to (planning to double barrel) and call if led at, with 2 overs, gutterball, and nut flush draw. If I miss the river, I will take that decision at the time. But im inclined to bluff-catch here modified by any tells I can pick up. I think worst river probably offsuit Queen or Jack. One thing I would *not* do is fold the turn…
[hmm turns out the worst rivers were 8,7, and non-heart 5). Turns out the turn jam denied 9 outs of equity!
The 5 makes str8 on board so i would discount it as gutterball
Good example of the idea that raising because it makes the hand easier to play, decisions on later streets are avoided, is not a legit reason to raise
Love this dude
I like the push. The only way villain puts any more money in is if the 5 comes, in which case , hero loses it all. Well played in my opinion.
Agreed. If he only calls, all his money is going in anyway unless the river is a dud and the villain shoves. Mind you if I am the villain here I am never folding Tens, Jacks, Queen etc. My mother would be sleeping under a bridge before that happened. Which leads me to conclude villain did not have a large overpair, or any pair.......
He bet, $1600 on turn, nearly pot with no show down value and a weak draw. You think villain is just going to give up $5k on the river?
@@AT-bw4cm you believe 78 has showdown value?
@@jamesjones2675 That's my point. He would be a huge fish if he didn't follow through on the river at a high frequency when he makes this bet on the turn.
@@AT-bw4cm I think I might be misunderstanding you
Agree. Play was call call
You got to love the titles of all these vids… he sets up this great problem to solve but then just walks through the hand and never explicitly answers the question or statement given in the title. So if you’re good at poker you’ll understand what he’s referring too in his titles, but everyone else is out of luck… Bart, if you’re going to make declarations in your titles about what a player can learn from your vid, it would likely benefit most newer and lower rated players for you to give a sentence or two at the end of your convo illustrating the salient point of the vid…
I’m only on the flop in terms of watching this but I would add that most of the players in that game likely know that this guy is a one three player and they may be trying to push him around.
1/3 texas games can pkay like 2/5 or 5/10 in other places. Often see multiple 2k plus stacks at texas 1/3
His range as the 3 bettor in the sb should be 99+, Ako, ATs+, A4-A5s… some of those are pure raises, some raise call or fold, some just raise/fold. You’re calling range as utg vs sb 3 bettor should look like AA-raise; QQ,KK, AKo, AKs, A5s-raise or call; AQs, 77, 76s, 65s-call; KQs, AJs, 88-JJ, QTs, JTs-call or fold; ATs,KTs-raise or fold, A4s-raise call or fold; AQo, KQo, KJs, QJs, K9s, A6s-A9s- Fold… so you have a slight range advantage on this board… but this is live poker so I wouldn’t be surprised if sb turned over pocket 2’s. good luck
UTG has a big range advantage on this flop. Preflop: SB should never be 3betting small pairs. While UTG can have all the sets as an opener and raise caller. This also gives UTG pocket 55. Both should have A5s and a little 56s.
Anyone else think it’s best to jam all in on the turn or fold?
I normally play 1 3 and if that happened to me.I would just call pre and I hate to admit but I think I have folded to flop bet😢
You have to jam here. Unless you know the guy is a total maniac and will blast any river. But even then he could catch an offsuit 7,8, or 5 and stacks you
What a legend
I legit thought this guy might have 78 hearts 🎉
13:48 jamming is the only right choice here
78 of clubs had 15 outs! Definitely good he protected against it
What did the highjack have?
Considering he folded preflop how on earth can you expect anyone to know the answer to that?
Thank you Bart
Normally playing 1/3 and then shooting 10/25, I laughed my ass off :D :D :D
Meh, Guy is a rec with money.
Why is there almost never a scenario in this channel where they encounter a board like this and bricks the river? So we can see how his thoughts on playing river spots.
There are. Maybe learn.
I think this would be knowing your opponent too. 7 8 clubs there tells me thia dude is very wide. I might jam there too because I'm not good enough to call the turn and call a blank river. 😂 Too many outs too, and obviously right play against this player.
I disagree with Bart on calling turn to call river on a brick. The pot will be so large on the river that I’d argue a lot of SB’s bluffs will give up (bluffs that we beat on the turn and would possibly call a jam). There isn’t enough behind to bluff hero on the river after he makes such a strong action on the turn by calling a nearly pot size bet. To sum it up if hero flats turn SB is going to put him on a lot of overpairs that won’t fold on a brick river given pot odds.
Having ak here isn’t great because we block hands like aces, kings, and ace-x, and that leaves more combos of pocket pairs that beat us on the flop and turn…
Jam>call>fold
Turtleneck Bart 🐢!!!
Villain was NOT drawing particularly close to dead, as he wins on 5, 7, or 8 unless it's a heart. Seven outs.
Bart using his "grim visage of war" tactic to avoid giving any tells?
Why is it so extremely unlikely that Villain bets pot on the turn with maybe as light as even JJ, with the intend to valuetown Hero ? - I mean, it is highly unlikely that either side connected with the board, so Hero has to continue rather lightly, while he is kind of capped; apart from obv 66/55. And, for the aftermath, 87s is among V's best bluffs; so, rather little to deduce from that.
Pot bet on turn with less than one SPR going to the river is unlikely because pocket pairs don’t want to play for stacks when you’re playing deep stacked (200 BB) poker. V’s bet on the turn is two pair+ or nothing.
It’s far more likely that SB connects with this board than UTG if SB is playing a standard, wide 3bet or fold range. UTG has stronger range equity going to the flop but SB has better board coverage after the flop, as evidenced by 87s holding.
Hero is not capped. SB’s 5x PF 3bet is large enough to suppress 4bets because what are you going to make it? $1.5k to $2k? Well then you’re < 1 SPR on the flop and you’re post flop life becomes very difficult with the overpairs in your range.
Agreed 87s is one of V’s best bluffs, although would prefer 87hh to bluff here, despite H having hearts covered.
@@DrDizzyMorris Thanks for the answer! Both Hero in UTG and V can obv hold A5s and 66; they are probably too short for Hero to have 65s/54s, holdings that V (apart from JJ+) can have?! - The actual question may be: How tight/loose Hero has to play for stacks with that given board configuration, given that V has likely an overall Range AND Nut advantage . Then again: Bart is quite willing to stack off ( for less than 1/2 pot, admittedly ) on the River with A high, for those cases where he does not make his hand. - Let me put it that way: I could totally imagine an aggressive big-bet player like Adelstein to potentially value-own himself here with a higher Overpair, even for far more BB's , when in V's shoes. Just that it may be quite far from "standard" for small and mid stakes.
@@Badbentham Yup, I can agree that a hyper aggressive archetype like Adelstein would play an overpairs for stacks here in V’s shoes. Also agree it’s super rare to see that player type out here playing small/mid stakes. And my god, if you do, please switch tables immediately before you lose your entire bankroll.
Also, yes A5s is in H’s range. 66- should not be since $500 3bet gives improper implied odds.
I think this is one video where I disagree with a portion of Bart’s analysis. Turn is a mix of call/fold, and river is a fold unimproved (i.e. A high). I’d be interested to see what a solver outputs for this hand. I don’t imagine a solver is stacking off with A high on the river.
@@DrDizzyMorris My afterthought guesstimate: Probably Bart is correct, after all; - AKhh, with its equity, is certainly a far better hand on the turn than 88/77, which we have to (auto-) fold, because they block (e.g.) 87s. 🙄
I would of Jamed on the Turn as well.
No guts no glory.
Couldn't he have ace 2-6 suited trying to squeeze
He could have that but it's very unlikely that he would have reraised pre with that
@@gerontius3 nit
Does A2, A3, A4 bet flop and turn?
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj sure
No way I fold on the turn. I would likely jam on the turn also only because of my equity and in case he checks the river and folds. Especially if you won’t call his bet on a clean river. Even if he has queens, you have any 5, A,K or heart. Enough outs for me to jam and make him call with a hand that he’s getting good odds to call where if a heart, ace or king comes, he check folds.
5 is a chop are you ppl blind?? I mean str8 on board but he had 87 so it wouldnt be a chop in this case
Fish trying to sound like a pro, lol.
@@losyart Obviously. But without knowing the guy had 78 and the hero even said he was giving him jacks or queens so he needs a heart, ace or king to win, 5 is outs to chop if he had an over pair and the hero doesn’t hit a winning card. If the villain had Jacks or queens the five would make him chop instead of losing the entire pot. That was my point
@@antisan lmao yeah ok
@@joet7760 OK got you bro all the best to you
The guy was clearly bluffing. He was trying to run you over and it would have worked had you not picked up a heart on the turn.