Why Robin is PERFECT for The Batman 2
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🎬 In this FilmSpeak video essay we discuss why Robin is PERFECT for The Batman 2 and why Dick Grayson needs to be in The Batman II.
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For too long, the character of Dick Grayson, aka Robin, has been overlooked in Batman movies. It's almost as if filmmakers have been hesitant to include him in a Batman film following the infamous 1997 Batman & Robin. But in this video, we'll explore the vital role that Robin plays in Bruce Wayne's journey towards becoming a true hero, and why he's the perfect addition to "The Batman Part II."
🤝 Robin as Bruce's Protege:
One of the most compelling aspects of Robin's character is his role as Batman's protege. He provides Bruce Wayne with a unique opportunity to mentor someone who has shared similar tragic life experiences. Through Robin, Batman can guide and shape a young hero, offering him an alternative to the path of vengeance that Bruce himself has walked. This dynamic not only adds depth to Batman's character but also reflects his desire to prevent others from enduring the same darkness he has.
🦸♂️ Embracing Duality:
Robin represents a significant aspect of Bruce's journey towards embracing his own duality. While Batman is often seen as a symbol of fear and justice, Robin embodies hope and resilience. Together, they create a balanced partnership that reflects the complexities of Batman's character and the city of Gotham itself. Robin's inclusion allows Bruce to confront his own demons and find redemption through guiding a new hero.
👀 Matt Reeves and Robert Pattinson's Vision:
Excitingly, both Matt Reeves and Robert Pattinson have expressed interest in bringing Robin into their Batman universe. This shows their commitment to exploring the full spectrum of Batman's world and giving fans a fresh take on the iconic duo.
Join us as we dive deep into the significance of Robin in "The Batman Part 2" and explore how this dynamic character can elevate the sequel to new heights. Griffin (@griffschiller) gives you his Batman 2 theories and breaks down the latest Batman news hinting at Robin being involved in The Batman 2. Enjoy this The Batman 2 explained analysis!
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I don't think Robert Pattinson's Batman is ready for a Robin.
While I’m not exactly a Robin person, I do want to see Robin be adapted in some form. Also, if the rumors of Clayface being the main villain of The Batman 2 are true, how do you think Matt Reeves would adapt a story regarding Bruce raising Dick, while Karlo descends into the monster that is Clayface?
I totally want Robin in The Batman 2! For this film, I'd rather see a 13-year-old Dick Grayson.
I definitely want him in a Batman sequel, whether it's 2 or three. Just let Bruce be that Dad Who's Doing His Best.
Especially since it's going to Tired Millennial Bruce and an Alpha Gen Dick.
Yea this is a young Grayson. 13 but idk this will be a rated R film so. Imagine Batman 2. Rated R. Staying true to the first films darkness. The rise of Robin Nightwing , must happen. Jason Todd, will happen too. Maybe James Gunn maybe😅
You have no idea how much hype I would have seeing the dynamic duo on the big screen. Especially, with this version of Batman being a symbol of hope, and to add the Boy Wonder would really add to that imo. Robin needs color tho.
It's explicitly because of the ending of the first one that I'm excited about the prospect of Robin being in this one; when questioned about recuiting Robin, Batman's response is usually something along the lines of "I'm here to scare criminals, not kids," and with the last movie ending with his realization that he needs to be more than just something criminals fear - it's the perfect time for him to recruit Robin.
Ikr. Especially with Matt reeves universe of the batman 😭😭😍
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Same 💯
I made a robin cosplay based off the batman, it's my profile picture, what do you think?
Adding Robin to this universe might actually be a subtle way to mature Bruce as he takes on the role of a “father” so he’ll eventually be more stoic and less reckless
Especially if he was trying to keep the kid from becoming like him.
The day I saw the first movie, I walked away from the theater thinking this. Bruce matured already. Now he needs to take the next step and become a genuine father figure to Robin.
When he’s in a position to be “father”
I feel like if Dick had traits if all the Robins though, he would cease to be Dick. Dick would never try to steal the wheels off of the Batmobile. He is a beacon of virtue. That’s why he is acknowledged by Batman to be a better version of himself. Because Dick is the best of humanity.
Some reasons for Dick Grayson to be in the sequel:
1. The Penguin series. This show is all about Gotham’s criminal underworld and its mobsters. There’s going to be lots of famous mob characters from the comics, like Sal Maroni and Sofia Falcone. There’s a good opportunity for the introduction of Tony Zucco, the mob boss who had Dick’s parents murdered. And there are a few actors whose roles are still unknown, maybe one of them plays him.
2. Riddler’s legacy. I would wager that what Riddler told Batman about being an orphan in Gotham would make Bruce feel supremely guilty, and drive him to try improving things as Bruce Wayne. This sense of responsibility would be exacerbated by watching Dick lose his parents at about the same age as Bruce had been. Bruce would be desperate to prevent another Riddler, and also feel empathy for Dick from his own trauma.
3. Bruce Wayne’s reappearance. The Batman was all about Bats realizing that Bruce Wayne has a role to play in protecting Gotham. He has to care about his public image. And if Bruce suddenly has this young, impressionable, traumatized boy in his life, he’ll have to be careful about how he acts in order to be a positive influence and, again, not accidentally create another Riddler.
4. The mayor’s son. Batman crossed paths with this kid 3 times throughout the movie. He saved his life twice, once as Batman and once as Bruce Wayne. During the funeral scene, Bruce even figures out where the Riddler is in the church by following the boy’s gaze up to the balcony. The mayor’s son was also the first civilian to trust Batman after the flood - during the flare scene, the kid walks towards Batman first, and everyone else follows.
5. Selina mentioned she was going to Blüdhaven at the end of the film. Blüdhaven is the city where Dick Grayson moved after he grew up and became Nightwing.
Very well said!
They would just have to treat the character with great care for both king time comic fans and angry parents/people who don’t want to see children be put into dangerous situations.
I would absolutely love to see Batman & Robin share the big screen though!!!
@@Poket_gmr
Thank you, and I agree. In my mind there’s lots of ways Dick Grayson could help Batman without having to actually fight anyone. He could look for clues, do recon/scout work, give first aid to civilian victims, etc. If they used Batman’s camera contact lenses again, Robin might not even have to leave the cave at all to help.
But I definitely agree, it’s a balancing act and a risky decision. But I think the creativity, and the ability to see the Dynamic Duo done right on the big screen, would be worth it.
@@Hoodie_HD I think if they handled it like the Young Justice cartoon (and a few other iterations of the character) it could go very nicely.
I thought the same. I wonder if the kid from the metro who didn't want to fight in the Vengeance scene will also be incorporated into the sequels, what do you think?
@@HowayTheMags I think he’ll have a very minor role if he appears at all. Maybe make a brief appearance here and there as both Batman and Bruce Wayne start actually helping correct the root causes of crime, to show how he’s trying to turn his life around. Or not, it’s hard to say, that kid didn’t even speak throughout the whole movie.
"Bruce is looking to Dick like 'He's everything I want to be, he's the happy go lucky smiley kid that I lost in me when my parents died.' and Dick is looking to Bruce like 'He's everything I want to be, he's a hero.' and it's not a Father and Son dynamic they're just Best Friends. They understand each other." - Grant Morrison
Perfect character development for this version of Bruce Wayne, can't wait to see Batman & Robin fight along side each other on the big screen.
Didn’t expect it after The Batman, but bringing in Grayson for Chapter 2 would be such an interesting move
If they go for the same-ish tone of the first one than he would fit the noir detective type of movie better
I want a father and son being built even if we get it in brave and the bold
@@Mr.Stopmotion89I too think that would probably work best. Damien just shows up at his door one day and we get a quick 2 minute explanation of who Damien is and where he comes from then move on to Batman & Robin doing their thing.
I doubt anyone would be upset about Damien running out into open gym fire after finding out who Damien is and why he is the way he is.
@@speedy2337They would have to go hard on Robin being recon and distraction support to avoid an actual harm coming to a small live action boy.
The contrast of Pattinson's Batman being a father/mentor to a bright and sunny Robin has been on my mind for many months.
This would actually make Robert's portrayal of both sides of batman make so much sense from the first movie. Because if you introduce Robin the way you described, they can use that as an excuse to differentiate the two sides of batman
I want Robin in the batman part 2, beacause is a way to make a wonderful story with Batpattinson, and maybe, explore some other parts that might help with character, explore the relationship between Bruce Wayne and Alfred, make a father and son situations, like the comics, this way can make wonderful scenes, DCU can have Dick Grayson as Nightwing, and we can see him in 2 situations, a Dick Grayson with more experience teachings Damian Wayne, AND a "' Dick Grayson year one."
That will confuse the casual public
@@RM-qj8cs this public is not dumb man, if you make a good work, is simple to get it, this same casual public has seen SM: no way home, 3 spider-man.
@@RM-qj8csthe public at this point is knows of the mulitverse , can can tell what is connected to main universe and what else worlds universe
Batpattinson? Lol you mean Battinson
@@Geohillierneo sorry 🤣
Child: Appears in Batman property
Fans: OMG! Robin!
It’s time. It’s been two decades since we’ve last seen Robin in a batman film. He’s been solo for long enough.
Robin is going to be in Batman: The Brave and The Bold.
No
@@user-oz3um2ii7oyeah but Damian
@@user-oz3um2ii7oI've always felt like they need ti get Grayson right first before we jump into the other Robins. He's a pioneer and legend of comics. Like you can't tell the story of of comics without Dick Grayson
I really hope they dont remove tje circus aspecy to his backstory tbh. Somehow, i just know the aesthetics of a classic circus would fit right in with gotham’s knitty gritty 1900s detective noir vibe. Also, i really hope a rendition of robin they take inspiration from will be robin from young justice
13:27 I feel like giving Dick the traits of all the other Robin's would be a bit of a misstep both in terms of his characterization and the potential future of the DCU Batman. Given that we know Brave and the Bold will feature Damian Wayne's Robin along with other members of the Bat-Family, it'd be fitting to explore those other characters like Jason Todd and Tim Drake in the DCU, and giving those attributes to Dick could just work to confuse audiences later on
It's not confirmed The Batman is part of the DCU
@@gaminganimators7000 I'm not saying it is. I'm saying that making The Batman's Robin and amalgam could hurt the portrayal of the DCU Batman's Robin. They're two separate characters as of rn
Agreed. Even if its not part of the dceu, it would be a disservice to the characters
the OG dynamic duo has never been given the justice they deserve on screen
I'd love to see Robin on the big screen and as a kid especially. I hold that making Bruce responsible for more than just the nebulous city but a real child with immediate needs is both very grounding, and brings out an angle of his character that has been absent from his movies up to now.
What i like to see in the Batman universe is the inter-connectedness of grounded realistic criminals and the absurd colourful rogues.
Imagine if this movie focused on the man who killed the Graysons, tony Zucco, as well as someone connected to his story. Someone he works with or another person he screwed over, someone whos backstory can be adapted, someone like Clayface or Hush.
(Admittedly only hush because i think he would fit incredibly well into this Batman's universe)
Picture a Matt Hagen who had run ins with the mob and whose accident that scarred his was caused by Tony Zucco, or a Hush that worked with Tony Zucco and acted as more of a foil to Batman whilst Zucco was more important to Robin's story.
While I have mixed feelings for Batman: Forever, the scenes where Bruce tries to convey the emptiness of revenge and vengeance to Dick are actually quite compelling. If a mediocre movie can get that much out of the Batman and Robin dynamic then I think a movie where the duo are done true justice would make for something incredible.
And that was with a fully grown adult trying to portray a teenager
Val Kilmer does not get enough credit for his portrayal of Bruce/Batman.
I think he honestly toed the line between the two better than anyone on live action so far.
Keaton is a close second and my overall favorite though.
I really wanted a Nitewing movie with Chris O’Donnel but sadly that may never happen.
Maybe now that he’s older and put on some mass he could be a good fit for an alternate universe where Dock Grayson does take the mantle of the Batman and raise his own Robin (Damien Wayne or otherwise).
I just want more stories about Robin tbf. We've had so many adaptations of batman and Robin is so overlooked.
Hell the existence of shows like Young Justice is proof of how interesting these characters are when they're not just an afterthought to big popular superhero.
Only Robert Pattinson's version of Batman would think it's 100% reasonable to have a 9 year old circus kid in traffic light colors fight crime on a school night
I think Bruce being a father figure would be more of a challenge for him than being a older brother type. Bruce is so closed off in The Batman universe it almost makes sense for his next emotional challenge is to open up to a son.
I still think they should wait until the third movie to introduce Robin, but I trust Matt Reeves
No dick should be in 2
Only if the third movie is not the final movie. Let's not continue the trend of introducing Robin too late for anyone to care
Ya let's have this one be the final movie. I want a better film then the Batman
I feel the third project in The Batman Saga is good enough. I hope we see Haley's Circus in The Penguin. The Penguin should have enough runtime to set up the deaths of the Flying Graysons.
@@codyeasonBGRwhat do you mean by that?
If they want a new spin on Robin for whatever reason, remember that in his first comic appearance we as an audience were reminded his is named after ROBIN HOOD!
Also, the world's greatest detective can shine on screen with a sounding board to be the Watson to his Sherlock. Internal monologue works great in comics but never translates well in movies.
Whether he knows it or not, Matt Reeves has the potential to not only provide a shit ton of fan service over the next two Batman films, but to also give people what they’ve been asking for. Everyone whether they’re a Batman fan or not has wanted to see a darker more down to earth Batman which we got in the first film. Now he could be providing us with the first live action iteration of the true Batman and Robin dynamic from the animated shows and comics. I haven’t been this excited for future superhero movies since the 2009-2019 Marvel era, and it’s because Matt Reeves is finally giving people what they want. He’s giving people what they want while also staying true and authentic to the characters which pleases hardcore and casual fans alike.
been waiting on a live action with a robin at some point (i do love those silly old ones tho) and they just keep redoing bruce's origins. which is fun to explore but i'm glad they are seemingly moving past that and actually continuing his storyline and then his successors stories.
Batman and Robin work so well together when I heard that they were introducing him in the next film I was ecstatic. Even snyders nod to Jason Todd’s story was W nerd fare for me but seeing one of the robins alive in the flesh and with a different interpretation of his origin would be awesome
That final scene of the girl grabbing Batman’s arm before she’s airlifted away by the national was the moment he realized he needs to be more of a symbol of hope and helpfulness. If Robin appeared in the sequel, it could be a good opportunity to see Bruce put that lesson into action.
"Does the hurt ever go away"
Batman has saved himself from delving deep into vengeance, now it's time for him to do the same for someone else.
Robin's Reckoning being adapted in The Batman 2 would be incredible.
Holy shit, the face of Bruce in TAS was way better than in TNBA.
Great video man, liked it more than I thought. Deserves more early views for sure
Robin / Dick Grayson/ Nightwing is my favourite Superhero and Crime Fighter, it is worth adding him in the sequel.
I honestly hope he is there. Robin suffered as much as any from...those movies. It's only right for him to actually get a good live action appearance. And you are right, his presence does have purpose. He isn't just a goofy sidekick there for the sake of Batman having a sidekick. Dick Grayson has value as a character and is an important part of that franchise.
Get him in there and let's see him done right!
i get that re inventing Dick Grayson's background is important to fit him into this universe. But the way i see it. Its not necessary. The Batman ended with city flooded right. What if Part II takes place say 6 to 9 months later the events of the 1st part once the city is back to normal on the basis of infrastructure. But the citizens of Gotham would still be on edge right. Because a terrorist attack is not something you forget or move on. So, the new mayor appoints a carnival to take place to boost morals. That could establish the starting point for Dick Grayson's Robin to come into existence. His origins makes him connect with Bruce on a level no one else (not even Alfred) could connect. And bringing the one responsible for his parents death to justice could help both Bruce and Dick to heal. In ways more then one, Bruce is still a scared child who never got the justice he deserved for his parents death. Bruce helping dick to heal could also help him to heal and be a better batman.
My ears perked up when you mentioned how people only “get their shit together when they become responsible for someone else.”
I can imagine a brilliant trilogy that takes things full circle from Bruce’s trauma and rage over losing his family to finally healing and having a family of his own.
However, I feel like the only proper ending to such a trilogy would be Bruce and Dick abandoning Batman and Robin to live healthy lives beyond vengeance.
I know it would be an insane departure from the source material, but maybe they should explore the Batman & Robin dynamic in the sequel, end that movie with a “Death of the Family” style cliffhanger, and then do something with the Red Hood storyline in the third film, capping it all off with some sort of cathartic reconciliation between the dynamic duo.
It would require an amalgamation of different Robins, but when you think about it, there’s a whole heart-wrenching story arc there just waiting to be brought to film.
I've always had the idea of a Batman movie starting with the flying Graysons death . Think it would be a hell of an intro
As a big fan of robin seeing everyone like this makes me so happy😊
Would love if the movie was told in Robins point of View with I'm already Robin on a mission. We get his flashbacks on his training and backstory. We also get how he feels and sees Bruce. I also want it to be Dick Grayson. Not Dick/Tim/Jason all in 1.
I hope this rumor is true it would be great to finally see a batman movie with robin included he's such a great character and has been sidelined for far too long in the live action films
growing up i loved Robin just as much as Batman.. i remember i collected just as many toys of Robin too and always thought of myself as him instead of Batman. really excited to see the next movie if it does or does not have him in it.. going to be absolutely fantastic either way im sure.
i would kind of love robin to be mute or have next to no dialogue, have Batman try and lighten the mood instead of robin for a really fresh take, i like the idea of batman and robin communicating with stares and snarls toward eachother
Read Batman and Robin by Grant Morrison. Dick Grayson is Batman and Damian Wayne is Robin. They flip the roles in the dynamic really well.
Dick Grayson would give the Batman a sense of maturity, a fatherly one.
It makes no sense for a Batman so early in his career to have a sidekick.
My idea for introducing Dick would be Bruce being more philanthropic in the city and donating money to various causes, including the Gotham Orphanage. The orphanage was going to be a part of the Gotham Renewal Fund set up by Thomas Wayne, and it was where the riddler in the film grew up, so improving it in the universe would make sense, and this is a way for Bruce to do more for the people of Gotham. So as Batman, he sees Dick with his parents dead around him, and later in the orphanage, as Bruce, he sees Dick. Similar to how it was seeing the mayor's son in the first movie, he sees a lot of himself in Dick. He'll talk briefly with Dick and hear how he wants revenge. Bruce tries to steer him down a better path, but before he can really get into it, he's ushered away for photo ops.
Later that night, we see Dick breaking out of the orphanage. This is a moment where we can see Dick's more comedic side while evading workers in the Orphanage and dodging them while they attempt to grab him. While Batman is out, and he spots Dick (recognizing him from the orphanage) trying to take matters into his own hands and get revenge. Batman stops his current investigation to follow Dick. We see his acrobatic skills on display using the fire escapes (or scaffolding) to move between buildings, and he breaks into an apartment through a window he can't fight, but he's great and evading blows with acrobatics Batman comes in and does the fighting, saves Dick, and tells him to stop this and not to let this consume him. He gets dropped back off at the orphanage.
Batman is doing more Clayface stuff when he crosses paths with Dick again, and now Dick is in over his head going after criminals with guns. Batman saves him and scolds Dick, then realizes Dick is more like him than he thought and tells Dick that getting revenge won't help, but he can still bring the men to justice. Batman brings the men to justice, and Dick helps Batman take down Clayface. Batman makes Dick his ward officially, and now we have the Dynamic Duo. The film ends with him finding out Batman is Bruce Wayne. Then, post-credit scene, we finally get the Boy Wonder suited up, and I'm talking shorts this time.
Hopefully, we'll get a three-hour runtime again, so none of this feels rushed, and the Clayface and Robin storylines get the time they need to develop.
The question is... which Robin you're talking about?
Dick Grayson.
Probably Grayson or Jason considering this Batman is very early in his career maybe Grayson while another Robin like Damian or Tim would feel odd and a bit uncanny
@@JacksonLane02 Dick Grayson have a big possibility to be confirmed in Brave and the bold and maybe we can have a Jason Todd in the Reevesverse
I think Grayson will already be Nightwing in the DCU, so these movies can do his early days as Robin and there won’t be any overlap
He literally answers that in the video
This amazing sentence made my Day.
Batman is a world were fantastical things come to life .. like a Billionaire caring for other people ..
Dick Grayson is my absolute favorite characters in comic books so seeing this character on the being screen one day makes me excited and hopefully it becomes a great representation.
I would love to see Dick Grayson introduced in Part 2, but Robin not until part 3. I just feel like there's too much of an arc left to unpack with Pattinson's take on the character before we can add a whole origin for Robin and/or the Bat Family. Ultimately, I think it'd be that much more rewarding to see him finally suit up a few years later too after we've already grown attached to the Grayson character through the lens of Bruce.
I think August Maturo (The Kid from Girl Meets World) would be a great Dick Grayson & he is 21 years apart to Pattinson's & i think it could work.
The only robin that is good for batman is jason todd. Jason is a perfect reflection of Bruce's anger and trauma bayman mentorship actually forces bruce evolve as a character.
The new Batman and Robin comic looks adaptabpe
Joseph Gordon Levitt should play Dick Grayson's dad before he dies. Bring that whole thing full circle.
You know, the mayor's kid with a red ninja costume and the Tim Drake Robin actor as the scared teen in a group of thugs really foreshadowing Robin.
If Robin is in it, they MUST do the circus, or forget about it.
The circus hasn't been a thing for decades now. Its ok to update things that were written before cordless phones.
@@MisterBrimm Orphanages haven’t been a thing in the USA for a while, either, but they were an important part of the plot in The Batman. And we still have plenty of traveling circuses like Cirque du Soleil, the Ringling Bros. and Big Apple Circus.
@@Hoodie_HD Circuses are synonymous with animal cruelty, Ringling Bros shut down years ago because people were responding to this reality. I Kind of don't want to associate Dick Grayson with animal abuse.
@@MisterBrimm Then they could just make Haly’s Circus not use any animals. Cirque du Soleil doesn’t and they’re one of the most successful circuses in the world.
@@Hoodie_HD Maybe it will work I guess we'll see.
Great video
Idk man. I just don’t think it makes sense if we’re not going to get the actual bat family. Not seeing Dick turn to Nightwing and Jason turn to red hood would be SUCH a missed opportunity.
I really hope that kid that was part of that street gang is Jason Todd,because you saw how bad he felt for running with that crew. And he saved Bruce's life when one of the thugs was about to shoot him be could definitely be Robin after Dick Grayson in this universe.
I could see him being used as a way to help Bruce become more involved in Bruce Wayne things rather than him keeping to the shadows as he does in the first movie
I mean don’t we already get robin in dcu by James Gunn so I think that will be enough.
Changed it now to what I meant to say.
we need robin in live action
@@yarc9 well we do get him in the New James gunn dc uinverse.
Dcau was like 20 years ago bruh
Not enough and also it makes sense to have Dick Grayson be introduced in the audience especially if you are going to have Nightwing in the DCAU
@@Mal-go5dl I just wrote wrong and meant to say the new dcu by James gunn.
That's what Young Justice was between Robin and Batman, training Robin so he wouldn't end up like Batman.
although it doesn't make yk canon or timeline sense, Jason Todd in this universe would be incredible. He is an orphan who grew up in poor conditions, a parallel to the riddler, could be a way for batman to try and right his wrongs and try to avoid another riddler
It would be perfect to introduce Robin now that he's trying to be a more hopeful batman Robin will balance him out and humanize him
Yea I think we need one more solo Batman film. Films suffer from over crowding a lot now n I don’t want this to rush to the end goal
I feel like this guy I secretly Matpat from Film theory
robin hopes evolve batmans story, im so hyped to have grayson in this universe
Is funny to see how Bat Nipples killed the dinamic duo on film
I just wanna see the red hood story told. It’s peak Batman
Im not gonna lie my favorite Robin is Tim drake and I find it really cool that he unmasks batman and blackmails him into making him robin lol
In Robert Patterson Batman film, it's too soon to introduce Robin because The Batman himself is still new to being a vigilante. There is not enough time for Batman to gain experience to pass on to the boy wonder. I think it would be beautiful to do Raze Al Ghoul and him coming for revenge for Batman leaving his clan. He should free Arkham and use specific Batman villains to hurt Bruce without revealing his identity. That or the court of owls to look into how deep Thomas Wayne corruption truly runs.
Amazing 👍
It would fit if they went later into more Jason Todd level of robin to fit the extremely dark theme of the Batman compared to other Batman movies
there's something I would really like explored from the dark knight returns, and it's that batman finds a new robin, and everyone is absolutely horrified lol..I kinda like that, and it seems like what would really happen
I don’t think it would work in this movie universe but if they did it they’d have to do it very carefully and early in the film where he loses his parents. Maybe a time lapse so we don’t have to deal with training montages and what not.
I think especially if they have him as a young boy rather than a young man they would have to treat him like the Adam West version and even the Young Justice animated series version where Robin is considered more of a distraction and recon assistant for Batman rather than regularly getting his hands dirty.
Something about a 12 year old fighting against grown men with machine guns might not sit well with modern mass audiences lol.
Robin is my absolute favorite comic book super hero (until Damien Wayne came along) so I would love to see this happen.
For the future of this film universe they could just do a bigger time lapse between 2 and 3 to explain a second Robin (Jason Todd) rather than melting them all into 1 character.
My favorite is Tim Drake so I’d really like to see him done well in anything besides the 90’s animated series which took some big liberties and character fusing as well.
If it happens It wil be the first time in a dacade or so that I wil go to the cinema excited to see a movie
I really hope they do somehow end up having robin aswell as tye second robin jason hes the most unlooked, hes never in the movies or shows
I would like to see Jason Todd coming in in the stead of Dick. especially with Joker coming onto the scene in the next movie or two. Just to see what that whole trip does to Pattinson's Batman and his Bruce. I feel like it could be interesting. That and red hood is one of my favorite characters.
I guess the circus thing doesn't work without Zeppelins in the sky huh? Maybe John Grayson could have been a David Goggins-style influencer, so those are the skills Dick brings to the table.
I’ll argue that if they keep Dick’s acrobat background, that can translate to parkour, or acrobatic martial arts like taekwondo and capoeira. Being a trapeze artist takes some serious core strength.
i'm so ready to see batman and robin in this universe, but if i'm completely honest, i'd rather see matt bring jason todd into the story if they wanted the themes of his story instead of just pulling similar traits and giving them over to dick. i know they kindof did that with the animated series and that iteration of tim drake, and i could definitely be bias because jason is my favorite robin, but why not just put him in if they want that type of dynamic? i think dick and his story would be just as amazing to see if they did decide to adapt the first boy wonder into the trilogy (or how many movies they're making) but jason i feel is a character writer's usually half commit to, and seasoning another robin with a bit of his story and traits could lean towards doing that again.
hell, maybe we could see the different bat family characters in series like the one that the penguin's getting?
I find it interesting that 99% of the times anyone says "Batman is more interesting on his own" or anything like that, the people saying it haven't read a single comic with both Batman and Robin in it.
i think they set up a perfect damian wayne robin with selina kyle leaving the city at the end of the first movie
That is why I want The Batman to get two trilogies like MCU Spider-Man! The first Batman Trilogy should focus on Bruce Wayne’s younger years while the second Batman Trilogy focuses on Bruce Wayne’s prime years.
Id looove to see robin. There are rumours that he's going to be in the second one I would have preferred he be in the third one but if we got him in the second one that's cool I guess
Just give me a ,,Death in the family/Red Hood“ movie. I feel like matt reeves could absolutly pull this off.
Robin should wear black and or gray in The Batman 2 and look more meaner.
I'd wrather see a Batman Beyond movie but I think Robin should get his own movie
I really hate to say it, Dick wouldn’t be the right Robin for this Batman. Dick Grayson is sort of a first step for Batman, in a way it was for any other Batman what the ending of The Batman was. Dick is representative of the first major change to who batman is as a character, except we already got that. Also, a boy who lost his parents at the circus doesn’t feel like it would fit right for this type of story. In a way I see much more opportunity for a live action Jason Todd.
We already saw that unnamed kid in the beginning of The Batman, and it would work really well in this story to make that callback by bringing him under Bruce’s wing, even if not fully as robin.
With characters like Harvey Dent and Clayface rumored to appear in the next film, identity and duality is going to be a major theme here, and what better way to show that then having a kid who was so scared of Batman in the first film come back to trust him to the point of helping him. Then again, it would also make sense for a character like Two face, who originally killed the Graysons, to be a fatal mistake by this Batman, only to end with Jason at the business end of a gun.
To have Jason die as a result of Batman’s war on crime really would bring a whole new turning point, because it shows that vengeance doesn’t work on its own, but neither does being a symbol of hope. It forces Batman to accept a role as both, not vengeance, not hope, but justice. Justice for a boy who died for a man’s war on crime. Justice for a boy, who could come back to topple penguin and control the crime with fear. Justice, for making a new symbol of vengeance.
This Matt Revese universe needs to hurry and finish its will be conflict of intersting having multiple Batman and Robins on the big screen along with James Gunn DCU storylines.
Nothing about this universe or it’s version of Batman warrants the need and implementation of Robin other than the “Batman needs a Robin” justification.
This Batman couldn’t keep low tier street level thugs down, and a Robin learning under his wing wouldn’t last a week in the field
150% agree with you and what a great pitch to include Robin in the next movie. If I wasn't sure if I would like them adding Robin, after watching this video, I would be sure I would want them to add him. Great video and thanks very much for it. I grew up in the 60's & 70's. My first introduction to Batman was the corny Batman TV show. My mom was a single parent and when I went to kindergarten and 1st grade, I was watched by the mother of someone who worked with my mom. They lived down the street and had a boy that was one year older than I was. They had a swing set in the backyard, which was very large, that had one of those two seat swings where you sit facing each other. Well Kent was the name of the other kid. His grandma had a blue towel for him and a yellow one for me. Our capes of course. He was Batman and I was Robin. The two seated swing was our batmobile. We use to play Batman and Robin after school until my mom came to pick me up after work. The whole time and every day. The grandma loved it because she knew where we were the whole afternoon. Running around the back yard trying to catch the joker, riddler, etc. Then jumping in our batmobile and speeding off. I didn't mind being Robin and actually chose to be. As I grew up going to middle and high school and even college, I lost my Batman and Robin ways. In the early 90's, just as the Knightfall story in the comic books started, I regained my interest in Batman and started buying the several different books that were available. Finding out that Dick Grayson wasn't Robin anymore and the Robin I was now reading about, was the 3rd one. Well I was both surprised and excited to find out what happened to Dick. Finding out he was Nightwing was amazing. I started collecting older issues of Batman and the Teen Titans to find out how all these changes unfolded. Especially when I found out the second Robin, Jason Todd, was killed by the Joker and the fans voted for it. Wow I have to have those issues. The individual comics to "A Death In The Family" were a bit expensive for me at the time, especially the 3rd one in the 4 comic book series. The one everybody found out if Robin died or not. I found the paperback with all 4 issues combined in the same book. Great reading. Anyway, I know it is to late to make a long story short and I apologize for it. Dick/Nightwing is my favorite comic book hero with Batman coming in a close second. The fact that with all these live action Batman movies that have been made and only 2 had Robin in it, well has been extremely frustrating for me. On top of all that, the 2 he was in, they made him out to be a whinny little bitch and that certainly isn't who Dick Grayson is. That sent my frustration I was already feeling, shooting through the roof and straight up into space. That and their extremely poor casting of Batman with the exception of Affleck. He was the only one that was big enough to look like Batman. The rest are all to skinny and mostly to short. The all black batsuit instead of the traditional blue and grey. The terrible batmobile with the exception of Keaton's batmobile. That one was bad ass. Then the mostly poor writing, I have been completely dissatisfied with WB very bad attempts at bringing Batman to the big screen. How hard can it be? To get it wrong so many times is mind boggling to me. Just find an actor who is 6'2" who weighs around 220kbs, big and intimidating. Another one who looks like Robin/Nightwing. Have both of them wearing suits like in the comics. Use Keaton's batmobile and find anyone of the several amazing stories found in the comics. You want a 3 part trilogy? How about trying the Knightfall, Knightquest and the Knightend storylines? Find an actor to looks like Jean Paul Valley and one that is huge to play Bane. This story has pretty much all of Batman's main enemies in it including the Joke, Riddler, Scarecrow, etc. The Penguin or Mr. Freeze aren't in it but they can easily be added. Dick is Nightwing and is wearing my favorite Nightwing suit. Tim Drake is Robin and wearing my favorite Robin suit. Their interaction in Knightend is probably my favorite comics of all time. Brothers in arms they were. Do it straight from the comics so you don't have to worry about bad writing. It's all perfect and would be incredible to see up on the big screen. Fans would love it and bring in those who weren't fans at the time. But that is just my ultimate wish. What do you think?
Unless DCEU has 20 years to tell a cinematic story, splicing characters is about the only way to go. With 5 robins not only would certain plots need reworked, but thats also a potential for 5 post Robin characters and their impact in the DCEU.
If you think about, this will be the first time in the 21st century we’ll have a live-adaptation of Batman and Robin.
I'd rather have Jason be the struggling robin then dick. That's what makes him more intresting imo
Sean Giambrone would have been great casting choice for Robin
honestly I rather see red-hood on the screen rather than the same formula of the second move introduce robin. the third being batgirl. nothing wrong it just it never goes anyway where if the movies aren't good. Like just expand the universe a bit...we seen the robin and batman so long at this point. maybe nightwing?
*KING CRIMSON!!!* 4:03
Yes. This. All of this.
A kid fighting crime in tights would never work in a realistic setting...
I like most of this video but I’d rather they don’t have Dick Grayson be a criminal and I’d rather him not be Jason in every way except name
Bring Robin for the sequel, make Scarecrow the villain and adapt Night Cries storyline for the sequel, that would be perfect recipe for The Batman 2!
Yes 🙌🏽
Timothee chamalet as robin would be good
Batman part 2 I am really excited. I love the batman. I think it did a great job with batman rumors about Robin. I hope it is true. I want Robin to be enraged batman help him the rage
1 Unknown actor or Javon Walton as Robin, but I really want an unknown. Oh yeah, I want robin to the 15 or 13
2 Oliver Jackson Cohen as Hush, who comes back to gotham to visit Bruce
3 Josh Hartnett as Two Face replacement for gotham PD who really not of fan of batman
4 Saniyya Sidney or Nico Paker as Batgirl, the daughter of Jim Gordon
5 Andre Holland as Lucius Fox works for Bruce Wayne and found out he batman