Lammily: The Failure of the "Anti-Barbie"
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The only body issue Barbie gave me was the lack of wings and/or a mermaid tail, i really need those
same lol
My mermaid bias started with Mermaidtopia. It will never die.
Just keel dreaming. One day.😊
There was not a single little girl who did not want that mermaid tail Elena got in Fairytopia mermaidia movie. The best version of her I think ✨
As a dancer kid/teen, I just wanted her perfect en pointe ballet doll feet. 🤷♀️😂
Even "average people" like to dress up and look glamorous on occasion, something they seem to have forgotten with Lammily.
@@user-dd5eh5lu3oMost kids can’t do that yet, though, and fewer people know how to sew, so they can’t make things or teach their kids how. They should have provided some different outfits just for the choice. After all, early Barbie outfits really were activities, like going to a football game. And those early outfits were beautifully made, too. Not long after that, the career outfits came out: Barbie as nurse, astronaut, etc. They missed a big opportunity just to give Lammily realistic scrubs, for example.
There's no reason for Lammily to celebrate because her life is just... average.
for real. like the 'celebrating denmark' outfit looks like something a 70 y/o would wear. what kid wants a doll that might dress like their grandma?
Yeah, even a cute simple black dress would be adorable on her! She's a beautiful doll, but her clothes don't do her justice. I might buy one and just make her some prettier clothes 😭
@@mai_art1729 sweet idea, but I wouldn't buy dolls from someone who wants to make little girls dolls he'd date... and who supports Trump 🤔
Lamm would tell you "you'd look prettier without makeup" after you spent 2 hours doing the prettiest coolest looking makeup
Heh a random guy at the train station said that to me once.
I was dressed up as a zombie 😅
@@lolinontot7642lol he wasn’t wrong in that instance
It's called "make-up" for a reason. 😂
@@Meela9088yes he was bud
@@lolinontot7642did he think you dressed up as a zombie to look pretty?
"Barbie's not realistically proportioned." Meanwhile, those big-headed lol dolls are just getting to exist in peace...
i mean bc everyone knows that is literally physically impossible to look like that??? ntm on bratz 😭
Those stretchmark, pimple stickers would not actually make the kids feel normal about having cellulite or zits. You know 100% the kids would be like, "Look, Lammily has pimples ... ON HER BUTT"
Young kids don’t even have stretchmarks. Why would they care if she does or doesn’t have them? I’m sorry but Lamily only existed to make insecure moms feel better about themselves after living through the 90s/2000s.
Your child doesn’t care if their toys have tiny waists, their insecurities come from the media bombarding them with diet ads and images of super thin models. 🤦🏼
@@adamlambboy8332YES. IT'S NOT THE FAULT OF THE TOYS, THAT WAS NEVER THE PROBLEM.
People just want an easy target to blame our problems on because they they're don't care enough to actually change anything.
@@adamlambboy8332I think it's unfair to depict wanting more diverse toys as solely based on insecurities of adults. Some girls DO feel insecure about their hair, size or skin not ressembling any of their toys, but obviously a fashion doll is gonna have a stylized body one way or another. I think we can have both without demonizing hiperfemininity and stylized dolls.
@@RomeroRomeral You missed their point. They weren’t trying to insinuate that some kids don’t have those insecurities, they were saying how people loved to blame body image issues solely on toys. I mean the same thing happened to brats, though that was just people being prudes about fashion. Point is, they were pointing out how adults, instead of looking at the bigger picture, put a lot of heat on toys instead.
@@RomeroRomeralabsolutely agree but I also think theres plenty of cool opportunities to give kids that confidence boost without seeming so damn condescending. Those stickers look goofy, like something I would fine in one of those “gross toys for boys” lines from early 2000s. They are even too thick and don’t blend to the skin. It doesn’t feel average normal or tactful, it feels like they are making acne a tacky thing that sticks out like a sore thumb. Idk if that makes sense but Lamily is so obviously a product of a man that tells women what the female experience is because theres no way she could possibly know more than him
No child uses their imagination to pretend to be “normal” or “average”. They fantasize about being special, pretty, and popular. Heck, we all do.
exactly, I dreamed about being a pirate or fairy, not about being a cashier in local store
So true lol
Though, now that I’m an adult, I have fun fantasizing about characters living in a house together, and doing mundane things. 😂
(Still having fun with magic and fantasy though!)
That’s the problem when we only look at things from an adult perspective.
Yes!! But the problem is where does this come from? And is it a problem? I personally feel like it's a problem to have girls at a young age learning to be the perfect woman. I loved my dolls, but I do think we grow up trying to become our dolls.
@@lunanorvell5770no we don’t, I never saw Barbie’s body or life as aspirational, she’s a fake doll. I knew the difference between reality and fantasy
That - or being an alien from a distant planet who's come to dissassemble and disembody the souls and bodies of the mortals from this plane of existence, to recreate and reawaken an eldrich diety of the most horrid of origins!
Basically, she was the “I’m not like other girls” of the doll world.
except shes trying so hard to be like other girls
Lol same. I actually edited Barbie and Lammily over a “not like other girls” image.
The 2010's was wild.
more like "pick me up, I am a wife material that is gonna cook and clean, not like those obscure hoes that care about their appearance and have wild dreams" vibe
Now we need to make Lam and Barbie date
I’m very worried for the girls who were harmed by Almond moms, not Barbie
My foster parent was no almond mom, she just starved me because she was cheap and being hungry kept me behaviorally compliant so that I would do tricks like a dog for treats.
Oh. Oh that sounds horrible, are you out of that living situation? That is a very concerning to confess in the comment section of a video about dolls, I really hope you are in a safe environment away from there :( /srs
Gosh, you are so correct …
They’ve done way more damage to young kids (and dare I say society? lol) than some doll.
@@TwoBs “we live in a society”
@@TielMama777 a mom who makes her daughters feel ashamed for being hungry and often puts her fat insecurities on them
I think the weirdest thing about one of the articles on Lammily is like “We should teach kids reality is just as cool as imagination!” Like maybe I’m misinterpreting it but you should want your child to develop an imagination. Also, Barbie isn’t a real woman; she’s a representation of a woman. She represents an idea, and that idea is that women can be anything. And sure, Barbie can be interpreted as not just an idea, but an ideal. But Lammily’s purpose was to say “This is what women ARE and/or SHOULD be, not what women CAN be.” It pigeonholed her into being an ideal, not an idea.
The whole point of Barbie is to play pretend and dress up to escape. That’s the purpose of dolls! When you take away that, you get a boring toy cause we already see that in the real world. Little girls want to escape. Give us the heavy make up, dresses, and glamour.
I’d love to see people try to tell kids that now with all the bs going on in reality. They would be laughed out of the damn room!
To be fair, a few recent movies and TV shows have had character arcs with someone learning they need to live in reality instead of a fantasy world.
So I sort of get why someone would make a doll that teaches "reality is just as cool as imagination".
@@DrawciaGleam02 Yeah but is it though? I think as we grow older most of us already get hit with reality and isn't as good as our imagination was unfortunately. I remember revisiting things older and they weren't as fun mainly cause you have to grow up. I wish little things like that were just as fun as when I was a kid to be honest.
Heck, Bratz were most of the times portrayed as normal girls without magical powers or a royal palace and they made "reality" look cool. They went shopping, they listened to music, they had fun together. They made you want to grow up and build your own style.
Bratz make McDonald's look delectable. Lammily would say "you don't need McDonald's, the plain casserole I made is just as good. You should appreciate reality more".
Lamily failed because there was already an average doll on the market: American Girl. They showed ordinary is awesome better than Lamily ever could. Their dolls have history, fashion, personalities, and the cutest accessories.
@@user-dd5eh5lu3o no they don’t. Don’t tell me Addy’s face and Sonali’s face are the same.
@@user-dd5eh5lu3o as someone who owns over 300 of these dolls, they most certainly do not all have the same faces!
@@user-dd5eh5lu3o - No. they made new face molds for Kaya and Addy to better represent their race. I believe Josefina too.
True, though they represent ~10 year old girls not grown adults.
Unfortunately American Girl dolls are rather expensive.
Barbie didn’t cause my Anorexia. I have always been a huge fan even as a chubby kid and I never thought of her as a body to aspire to. My focus was on the pretty fashions, hair and makeup! It was actually my family and public ridicule that caused the Anorexia LMAO
Adding to this, Barbie actually DID influence my perception of beauty in relation to RACE funnily enough. As a young child most popular media (including Barbie) only depicted white, blonde and blue eyed girls as pretty and aspirational. As a young child I wanted to be white and blonde so badly, I thought that would make me pretty.
I definitely relate to the race/hair colour thing. I desperately wanted to be blonde, but at the same time there was a lot of media that demonized pretty blonde women and caused me to be instinctually jealous of the popular blonde girls I went to school with
EXACTLY!! so many people in my life shared this sentiment about barbie, but actively shame other HUMAN bodies and hate fat people.
Yeah, lol, it was my mom and the world around me that caused my eating disorder! I had every barbie movie and every barbie doll from each movie, and let me tell you Barbie never called me fat!
100%. There is plenty of body shaming coming from regular people. I remember a lot of “you’d be so pretty if you just lost weight.”
I’m not worried about a child projecting themselves onto a glittery, pink, feminine toy avatar. I’m worried about diet culture and almond moms who shame their growing children for being hungry.
I would be way more worried about kids projecting themselves onto a roided out "action figure" that's supposed to kill and harm things as its fun backstory. But hey, that's for boys so that makes it alright compared to some sparkly gowns.
@@Nocturne22 to be honest we can criticize a lot of toys and make a list of problems accross the post world war 2 decades where generations have seen the toy industry develop massively. Toys mirror the culture, good and bad.
@@Nocturne22Nah that's not a big deal either. Kids like violence, that's been a thing as long as kids have existed. They're capable of telling fun superhero fantasy from reality
FOR REAL
I really hate how parents blame the most ridiculous things, like dolls, certain TV shows, video games, etc. for any kind of problems that their children have, when most of the time, a huge reason for their trauma or insecurities existing are because of the parents themselves. I'm starting to think that the reason for the public's habit of blaming toys, comics, video games, and TV shows for mental issues among children is so parents can protect their own egos and not admit that they might be the problem.
there's something so deeply ironic here about making children compare and critique two female doll's bodies, with the clear implication that one body is "bad" 🙃
Especially when the more realistic one is unhealthy- based on averages, not the mean. Considering how many morbidly obese women there are now, they really skew the statistics to make the average larger than the normal. You have to have a lot of thin women to level out the very large women.
@@yeetghostrat not to mention that people who are underweight skew this metric a ton as well, esp in women. averages are just a stupid way to approximate most things in real life lol
The fact that Lammily's whole existence (and media coverage) focused ONLY on her BODY says everything lol
"Look at Lammily, she's the new anti barbie!"
"Okay? What does she do?"
"She's an anti-Barbie!"
"But, does she have different careers? Friends? Family? Pets? Not even cool clothes?"
"HAVE WE TOLD YOU HOW SHE'S THE ANTI BARBIE??"
the sheer irony...
I'd american girlize her. Have a book. Give her a recognizable region shes from. Maybe she lives on a ranch. You could have horses. Girls like horses.
Or you could wild thronsberry her. You can have her travel the world with her mom or dad. Maybe have a camper playset. Have a fun explorers outfit. She could visit the locals while her and her family see the wildlife and talk about conservation and whatnot.Make a point to explore other cultures too and have books and themes on those cultures.
This actually plays well with their Ken's idea in animal background.
Spirit Riding Free
Barbie does this. She has a themed doll for everything you can think of. She even has a sister in a wheelchair. The Barbie cartoon series was super progressive, too. As are most of her movies.
What kills me is that in 7th grade, when lammily was first launched, my health teacher held an entire class telling us the bogus study points and showing us lammily going 'this will fix kids body image problems!'
And it just pissed me off. It wasnt barbie that made my self image poor. It was bullying from kids the same teacher refused to do anything about. It was adults insisting that i wasnt 'fit' and that i (12) needed to lose weight (i was already dangerously underweight due to a hormonal problem) . Lammily is like a spit in the face of people who suffer from body image problems. Being told that a doll would fix a societal problem is laughable at best and insulting at worst
teachers often can't do much since it would require a call to action in regards to the parents of said children, who are paying monthly (need i say more). And on the other hand, if the bullies get bothered too much by teachers, they'll definitely be hearing from upset parents at school. Sad, but true.
This exactly! Barbie is at most a symptom of a larger societal problem.
Exactly! Even as a 6 year old kid, I knew the difference between cartoons and real life people, kids aren't idiots.
@@melancholyjones2873exactly
literally. also for me most of my chest dysphoria came from my teacher putting emphasis on my chest and using it as a reason to call me fat or slutshame me, an 11 year old. and being mocked for my chest being bigger than other kids.
like, if people didn't do that, my top dysphoria probably would've been way more tame.
Lammily, the queen of average who flopped her way down the stairs into obscurity. What a problematic icon.
😂😂
She was cringe before it was viral
She just like me fr
I gonna keep it real, a lot of the time I feel as if “anti barbie” dolls especially made by men are usually only done to show their “superiority” to fashion dolls. Let the girls have pink and glitter and clothes. Damn.
I suppose this is due to the backlash they get for making fashion dolls that are hyper feminine, people feel that it's imposing stereotypes on women and girls and it's telling them to focus on their looks only etc imo I'm fine with either doll whatever makes people happy but I will say people gotta stop shaming hyper feminine things, so what if men and women find those things attractive we're human beings it's in our nature to like those things
They’re always made out of hatred towards hyper feminine glamorous dolls, they never make them from actual love and passion.
@@elizabethclarke4981Barbie isn’t just about her looks tho, she’s got every career on earth and more lol so I’m not really sure how she’s imposing stereotypes? Maybe Barbie in the past did but she doesn’t now that’s for sure.
Hyper feminine =/= stereotypical
@Kingofgaymes my point exactly, alot of the anti barbie people miss that major factor
@@KingOfGaymeskinda like what they were trying to say in the barbie movie
That whole "Average is Beautiful" reminds me to that episode of Teenage Robot where Jenny got a suit that let her look like a normal human girl, she grew tired of it eventually, but the suit turned out being alive and forced itself onto her, crawling on its own in the middle of the night like a reanimated snake skin preying on its sleeping victim, attaching itself onto her and taking over her body, and after that it kept forcing her to disregard her individuality and the things that make her both strong and special, including her ability to fight crime and help others, all in favor of always being a "normal girl", whispering to her from the back of her neck that "Normal is Good"
Omg I remember that show and episode! I’m gonna watch that now 😂
"If Barbie was a real person, she wouldn't have any organs!"
Maybe she's not supposed supposed to be a normal person because she's a toy for kids? She can have wings!
Maybe she just has a thin torso so she can be picked up and played with easier, because kids have small hands.
Children aren't going to be focused on diet culture. They want to play pretend, Barbie's a woman who can do anything and be anything.
I get that body image is important but it’s always off putting when grown adults try to ascribe sex appeal to something for kids- like I can't be the only one who gets uncomfortable by adults saying barbie is "too sexy" right?
Edit: spelling and grammar corrections
You put something into words that I always found faulty with the ‘anti-Barbie’ craze. I owned a lot of Barbies as a kid, and I had body issues as a teen. I never ever found barbie to be the source of my body issues, because even when I was a kid I saw her as a toy. It’s honestly crazy how people will spend so much time vilifying a doll when there are so many other aspects of unhealthy body image that have nothing to do with Barbie
@ohdang1083 Same! I struggle with my body image but not because I played with barbie when I was younger it's because of stuff like anxiety and being bullied at school and social media (it was mostly Instagram at the time but also just the fact it was the 2010s internet)
When I was playing with Barbies, i wasn't thinking about being as thin as her, I was thinking about going on magical adventures.
I'm not arguing with the rest of your comment, but the sex appeal thing has literally always been around with Barbie. Like, her design was based on a German sex doll.
Exactly. The things causing body image issues are not the toys, but the unrealistic images in media sold to us as reality. I wouldn’t be surprised if kids who played with Barbie overlapped with the kids who got interested in fashion and so were subjected to those retouched images of models more frequently than others. And to magazines with tips on how to lose weight and stuff. Basically just because someone found some sort of correlation doesn’t mean there is a causal link between Barbie and low self esteem.
but what about her thinness is fantastical? what does that contribute to play? at this point we’re kidding ourselves. as a little girl without a mom or any sisters, i had no real women in my life to set a standard and there were many times that i wondered why my stomach was so “pudgy” in relation to Barbie’s. she has been marketed for centuries as a role model for young girls and i think it’s incredibly naive to assume her insanely thin physique has nothing to do with the social pressure imposed on women to be unrealistically thin.
eugh, that comment Lamm made about Barbie being “alien-like” and how real women are “warm and friendly” makes my skin crawl. Lammily is so _clearly_ a projection of his idea of a “good woman” and i’m kind of shocked at how many people bought into it, even with the pushback against Barbie at the time…
i think more parents and other family members of young girls need to own up to the fact that any and all body issues that children develop are usually caused by family. even comments family make about themselves will cause kids to look at their own bodies differently. everyone’s always shifting blame but nobody wants to get to the root of the issue!!
THIS! And the fact that people actually thought this was feminist too is what makes this even more absurd like I thought part of feminism was to get rid of the idea that women are only good so long as they have male approval
Concerning his ideas about "real women", I think part of the problem is that Lamm's an incel and a Trumpkin. Body image issues can come from other places besides family: social media, kids at school, TV shows.
no it's not even just family that causes body issues,it's MEDIA. My issues stemmed from both family AND media
Lammily made me think more about my body in a negative way more than Barbie ever did. Because they kept focusing on her average measurements and how great they were and those weren't my measurements. Since that was the point of her, it really hammered home how my body should look like Lammily's and it didn't.
exactly what i was thinking! i worry for the kids whose moms tried to push Lammily on them while they had a body different from Lammily's average measurements. i definitely think it would cause more insecurity than Barbie ever could
Also true. I was def a heavy child, this type of body would have been and still is totally not within the real of possibility for me. Not to mention all my skinny friends who also did not and do not look like this and had insecurities about not looking as mature or curvy as other girls… so it seems weird to hammer this message of ”average” so much
as someone who has a somewhat similar body to lammily it also isn’t fun being called “average” and the antithesis to something i aspired to be. it’s a bit backhanded honestly. it’s the equivalent of commenting “you’re so confident 🤗💕” under someone’s selfie. in the end, lammily just hurts all of us
Do we need to be promoting these measurements when there’s an epidemic of childhood obesity? The average for a woman these days is still unhealthily overweight.
@@nuclearcatbaby1131Thanks for being part of the problem you clueless nitwit. Shame doesn’t make people happier, do something for once.
As a kid barbie/bratz never made me insecure it was the adults that pointed out the things i should be insecure about and the magazines and shows that glorified being tiny and not having any body fat. I just liked the pretty dolls with the cute clothes
Same. I know some people had issues with that but I personally never wanted to be like my dolls, I just had them because I liked them.
Besides, the doll market hasn't been exclusively blonde white dolls for a loong time. I feel like people start to blame dolls for society's problems because it's easier that way.
Barbie and the Bratz dolls have never made me insecure either. They inspired me a lot with the cute outfits. Even to this day as a 25 year old 🙂
@@juli5945 There's still too many white dolls though. There needs to be an iconic doll line where the main star is a black woman. Not some side character but the main character!
I can’t imagine being a person in a creative field like Design and not recognizing that kids play with dolls to play pretend to be imaginative
Also I don’t have body image issues because of my toys I have them because of real people especially family making comments like “your always eating” “you look fat etc” and the movies and tv with real people and magazines with real people that show only a particular kind of person.
I used to like to play with cars toys, and I never wanted to be a car
i never understood why the inclusion of more body types had to hand in hand with average and boring clothes. because if it's really about including bigger body types, let bigger people see their bodies in huge ballgowns or pink glittery dresses!!!! diversity doesn't always have to be boring
Exactly, like why do we have to choose between diversity and glam??
Because the fatphobia runs deep, if they gave nice clothes to a variety of doll body types people will call it "glamorizing unhealthy bodies" :/
I would guess it has partly to do with production issues. If all your dolls are the same size, you can devote all your resources/production time to one dress - versus if they're differently proportioned, you have to split it to making multiples of the same outfit. If the outfit is simple and unfitted, then maybe it'll fit all of them and you don't have to do the extra work of adjusting the clothes to look good on all of them.
This is the issue and it comes down to companies being cheap unfortunately. You can have body diversity but only with sack dresses according to Mattel :/
What's crazy is this isn't just a doll issue. Any and every time I see clothes meant for plus-sized people, it always seems like it's relegated to generic soccer mom outfits and literal granny dresses.
Lamm is definitely one of those "You should smile more" guys who think they're doing some great favor to women by bothering them while they're just out living their lives and trying to get by
😂 Yep!
He gives me "you'd look prettier without all that makeup" vibes too
Hes giving “I want to marry a girl just like my mom” vibes for sure lol
@@alexandrakennedy2000now that’s scary!
Yeah he looks so damn smug I'm glad it flopped. And Lammily just feels like the purity culture/NLOG version of a kids doll that feels more restrictive than anything
Lamilly looks like she’d say she has a dog or likes pizza when asked for a fun fact about herself.
I bet one set comes with a t-shirt that says “don’t talk to me until I’ve had my coffee” or something about hating mondays
@@phantomboba”I’d choose Netflix over going out any day!!!” Sorry but I had too💀 that’s how I acted in high school lmao
“I’m very quirky and random!”
Yeah, definitely those vibes.
Listen my dog has one eye and I love him. He is my fun fact 😤
@@AshtonGarland in your defense if I had a pet (specifically a cat) it would be my fun fact too.
I think its really crazy just how much sexism oozes out of this campaign. During the entire thing, all he talked about was her body and how accessible it was to men, specifically in his eyes. Also, his comments about how women should be warm and happy were very sus to me. It reminds me of guys saying, "Hey baby, smile more!" Or when they try to hit on us in public and when we don't respond they are like, "Oh you don't want to talk? You don't want to talk to me huh?" It's like there's an expectation that women should be happy and accessible to men at all times.
Lamm gives me incel vibes:
This made me think about how the very first Barbie was not smiling, and I love that for her.
Not gonna lie a lot of men’s contributions to the 2010s feminist media analysis boom always gave me Madonna/whore complex vibes
Was there ever back lash at GI Joe or the boy dolls for being too buff and tall? Like that’s setting unrealistic male body standards no? It’s a doll… we are putting so much on them to fix the world??
I remember reading from someone that suposidly the reason men don't feel insecure with those figures or complain about it was because this is how guys actualy see themselves as which only boosts their ego and toxic masculinity. Kinda like how a guy looks in the mirror and think they look great and awsome and probably have he-man for inspiration. All while the girls look at themselves in the mirror and cry about gaining 1 pound and thinking they are fat when they look like a skeleton.
At least that's what 2015 Tumblr said. Like I guess it makes sence. There are alot of guys who think they are the alpha male who deserve everything and all and realy want to see themselves as the big strong man. Vut still, kinda dumb?
Policing male behavior is something society is a lot less interested in doing than policing women's behavior because misogyny.
To answer these comments, I think that just goes to show that the problem is not that that the doll inevitably sets a standard that causes issues in girls trying to follow it, but that people in their lives normalize talking down to and judging women who don't conform to impossible real life body and beauty standards, so when they realise they will not have that body it grates on their self esteem.
I guess what I'm trying to say is boys are allowed to see themselves in their action figures because they don't compare physical aspects, so they can imagine themselves as brave and strong and cool even if they don't have arms thicker than their heads or an eight pack, while girls are constantly told the most important (or at least noticed and commented on) part or being a woman is their body, so if they compare themselves to their dolls after it they don't see themselves in the ; instead of "someone who wears sparkly clothes", "someone smart and kind and who has many friends and pets and abilities" the doll's aspirational role becomes "someone thin". Only because that's what society makes them focus on first
Not that boys don't have body image issues as well, but it's not as prevalent everywhere, and to the same degree, as with girls.
@@bigboomer1013
Boys and men have bodily insecurity. We just get shamed for sharing it, so we don't.
There kinda was; anyone remember Bendos? Bendos were an attempt at a nonviolent alternative that nobody remembers.
"If Barbie were a real woman, she'd be intimidating and cold." Personally, that is everything I aspire to.
Seriously though, this guy making a doll based on the kind of woman he considers more sexually available to him is all I need to know.
Yep
When he said that a real woman is warm and friendly I rolled my eyes. I’m naturally reserved and kind of cold, but I also don’t feel like I should change that. Shouldn’t women be allowed to be how they want to be, as long as they don’t scream at shop staff or something? This just feels like sexism with extra steps
Especially when barbie has always been represented as a sweet, loving woman
Which also ignores that every bit of Barbie related media her personality is always being bubbly and outgoing - Lamb is projecting his weird insecurities.
The weird thing is that Barbie isn’t intimidating or cold: she’s bubbly, friendly, and good hearted. I think any woman with a lot of confidence and wearing a glamorous outfit would be intimidating and cold to Lamm because they wouldn’t be talking to him.
The whole "average is beautiful" is nice, but to me, I get this undertone of "Don't strive for more, don't try all these careers, settle and be happy with what you have", which is harmful in a different way.
It's like men who show disdain for confident women because they feel inferior or intimidated.
definitely what is underlying lamm's statement about barbie seeming "alien-like" and how "if she were a real woman, she would be cold and intimidating". barbie represents a beautiful, glamorous, confident, and ambitious young woman who follows her dreams and can do anything she wants, be whoever she wants. she lives her dream life. through her, little girls feel like they can do the same.
As a fat woman, I’m being fully serious when I say characters like Shrek, Po or Ursula did more for my body confidence than any of these cloying, pearl clutching “body positivity” campaigns spawned by a mixture of soccer moms and Buzzfeed feminism ever did.
The difference is sincerity. Po and Shrek face criticism for their appearances and their weight is part of it, but it’s not their sole issue or the central point of their characters, and their journeys encompass so much more than that. Ursula is designed to be an obvious villain but her dramatic presence and charisma, especially if you’re queer like me, make her into this larger than life figure who is weirdly likeable and aspirational.
Hell, cartoons like Steven Universe have given us all array of body types for women but never reduced them to being just that.
A lot of body positive campaigns to this day don’t work because they feel so insincere. How else can you describe something that claims to want to include and empower women and then reduces the general umbrella of she/her identifying people to just a combination of numbers on a scale?
There’s plenty I can and have criticised barbie for, but providing endless opportunities to **play pretend** , aka the ideal purpose in a kids toy, is not one of them.
I'm not fat myself but what you said about Ursula makes perfect sense. It also helps that she's allowed to be sexy! She moves in a way that feels so stylish and graceful that you can't help but be mesmerized. She's confident and sassy and theatrical and I'm honestly not surprised that I've even seen people who aren't into bigger women find her appealing and, yes, attractive.
Speaking of Shrek, Fiona did make me feel better about herself especially in the second movie. She doesn't care about her appearance as an ogre, she is happy to remain in that form and be with the person she loves. I loved that as a kid.
Agreed. Owl house and Molly McGee and others are great examples and Steven universe
Love your analysis
Po became a great warrior, Ursula is just cunt I love her, and shrieks whole story is for the ppl who r fat, minority, disabled, etc. for example I’m black and ppl always see us as a threat if we r just shopping, we r more than our appearance and shrek, a children’s movie is soemthing that has impacted my life heavily
I really do believe the failure of Lammily has to do with the fact that nothing else was truly advertised about her beyond just her looks.
Whereas you have Barbie who is an astronaut, chef, princess, pop singer, roller blader, dog sitter, big sister, politician, teacher, everything but the kitchen sink. There are solid concepts that _any_ kid can get behind. Lammily ironically enough promotes the idea that you can and should be judged by how you look and carry yourself, since that's all there was to her- being "not like the other girls".
"You became the very thing you swore to destroy!"
My thoughts exactly. Idk, I find it insulting that most “realistically proportioned” characters only exist to be tokenized or preach the creator’s moral high ground, never on their own terms. For the love of god, start creating characters as CHARACTERS FIRST.
What kills me is that American Girl has been around since the 80s basing dolls (that are much more expensive than Lamilly!) in reality and history. They're not fantastical in any way, yet they actually made a concerted effort to be engaging and entertaining to children. Lamilly was made for adults, plain and simple.
Makes sense
Exactly my thought, Lammilly felt like made for adult, while barbie ads shown what unique way kids can play with her. For example barbie mermadtopia shown how she can transform from fairy to a mermaid with only one swoop. Barbie dolls were engaging, fun, and creative while lammilly is just "body postivity" and nothing else.
I remember the American girl Dolls series and yes to this day they are very expensive and as an 80s baby I grew up with Barbie and during that time she when they made her she had a variety of careers that were empowering to young girls.
Body type aside, I feel like Lammily is such a closed minded view of how "average women" look, dress, and act. The "soft and warm" comment from Lamm honestly bugs me so much because it's entirely a projection of his own preferences, like hes intimidated by women who have too much personality. Barbie, in all her glamour and unusual outfits, looks like she would be pretty open and accepting of a variety of people. Lammily looks like she's about to bully someone for liking anime or having a nose piercing.
You summed it up perfectly 😂yeah she looks mean
Why can she be nice for once, I want to watch anime in peace@@hildisvini_9622
I have a sneaking suspicion that Lamm was an incel.
She looks homophobic💀
She looks like every Karen I've ever had to work with lol
There is a lot that can be said about Lammily, but I'll focus in on the fact that Lamm named her "Lammily" instead of "Nicola" or "Nicki". Or taken a leaf from Ruth Handler and named her after a relative. Or spent 5 minutes on a baby name site to find a name he liked. Basically, call her anything but "Lammily."
How many kids immediately called her "Lame-illy"? You have to look out for that sort of thing when naming children ...
@@hollyingraham3980I legit thought it was intentionally close to 'lamely'. It's even more pathetically funny knowing it wasn't intentional.
Honestly, that name tracks, because it sounds like a suburban white mom would name her daughter to be "unique" (and tbh, they'd be the only audience for these dolls)
Or even Amily
honestly incredible that a grown man could project all of his psychosexual insecurities onto a doll and be heralded for it with a fully funded kickstarter to create his perfect woman fantasy doll he named after himself, the bar really is underground for men
Many men are intimated by independent women who are "too bold" and have "too much personality" aka women making their own money with good taste in clothes and won't put up with their misogynistic bullshit like a submissive trained dog
The bar is in hell, and he's limbo dancing with the devil
@@LadyLeviathanthen he cheats and digs into the floor to pop out on the other side of the limbo bar
💯
Seriously!! He gives me such weird vibes.
Lammily failed because she was boring. Limited release. I never saw her in physical stores. No advertisement either. Only one infomercial and a few news articles .
If her makers wanted her to be different from Barbie.
Make her and her entire line more dynamic.
Give her jobs Barbie NEVER had. Like a Nun, a priestess (like Japanese Miko) a cop ,a lawyer.
Give her 18 points of articulation from the beginning. Like give removable her hands that can actually hold stuff or do sign language !
Make half of her family , friends (and enemies) male . Lammily should have had a male counterpart introduced with her from the beginning. I don't care if it's a husband or just a brother.
Better merchandising and advertising. Get these dolls into the neighborhood dollar stores. Make all of the base dolls $10. $20 for mid range. $30+ for the higher end.
Have a free UA-cam show.
(Barbie has been a cop before btw! Police Officer Barbie - 1993 and if you're looking for a miko, Licca-chan has been one)
If real life is so "cool" why didn't Lamilly's designers show that with interesting clothing and accessories?
If I want to see basic ass outfits, I can walk outside for free and see that.
@@deltasavesREAL. The least they could do was give her a fashion pack with a couple of cute casual dresses, some ripped jeans, a crop top, maybe, I don't know, HEELS?? she'd look gorgeous in a simple black dress and hoop earrings! It's too bad she just looks...basic.
For real. They could have at least given her a cool career.
Instead of "she travels," make her a travel magazine journalist with a flight attendant best friend and diverse acquaintances she stays with everywhere she visits.
@@IsomerMashups yeah! Some additional dolls based off different countries she visits would be adorable!
The face of Lammily makes me think of a failed attempt at trying to do drag.
Some doll blog on tumblr referred to her as "Lamb leg" and that is what I will forever call Lammiliy. 😂
Lambchop's less popular cousin
When I think of the "anti barbie" I generally think of Monster High. You have to wonder what version of reality they're thinking of when the character they've come up with for Lamily is that she's wealthy enough to be a glob trotting tourist. "Average can be exciting.... when you have money!"
I didn’t even know Lammily’s hobby was traveling! I would’ve played that up in the marketing to improve her, play up that she likes exploring and she wants to take you with her (and then have her wear practical clothes for that I guess. Like real world cave spelunking gear or luggage.) Make her a pilot that’s going to all these places
oh, that's a good idea! I would have loved that as a kid
When it was originally created, I don’t think she was called The Traveler until they released the Black doll who was called The Photographer. I could be wrong.
It could emphasize bringing her with you on family trips and the like, something that’s really help a kid grow memories with their doll.
Like she looks like she pretty much only like goes and hangs out at all the big popular tourist spots or went to Rio and just stayed in the resort all the time
Like give me something more exciting, like it’s so full here, let’s go rent some jet skis
i love that idea! her fashions are so dull too, i think playsets and activity themed outfit packs would have been a good idea, like sports, painting, costume parties, even something more farfetched like a secret agent! not all play dolls ought to be skinny or hyperfeminine or totally unrealistic but jeez louise give the kids something lmao
My opinion on Lammily back then was that she's cute but boring. She had the potential to wear extravagant outfits to show that looking average doesn't stop you from being glamorous.
So much missed potential
Edit: the other missed opportunity would try to appeal to pre-teens who look average and want to be more experimental, but lack the confidence or don't feel cute enough. This way could Lammily achieve something that's one of the biggest appeals of barbie: giving girls to opportunity to be something they can't at the moment. Meanwhile Lammily looks more basic than most 'average" girls dress like....at least in the advertisement cause things like the zebra shirt were going in the right direction
Makes sense. Promosing
The irony that today Barbie is probably the most realistically proportioned fashion doll on the market.
😂😂😂
Truuue but I do love my big headed babies (rh/ lol)
Draculaura is definitely the closest to my body type but the head size is definitely the unrealistic part. I appreciate Draculaura a lot because she has a pear shaped body like me🍐🦇
@@XtinaSkelitaa LOL imagine if people were proportioned like RH/SH dolls! That would be hilarious and unsettling. Adorable on the doll babies though💜
Nobody went after Betty Spaghetty for unrealistic body proportions!
Looking back, I don't understand where the idea that Barbie and fashion dolls "gave girls body insecurities" comes from?
And it really is even more ironic that a brand that sought to tackle that used the most basic white girl as the face of that.
I think the idea came from the places it always had: media consumed, social media (especially once it was well established and very accessible), movies, TV shows, magazines , and even one’s friend/peer group. Especially companies that sell products as “solutions” to common insecurities. I had tons of Barbies and never felt any comparison between myself and the doll, but between myself and other girls/women. At most, I told my mom I wanted to look like her when I grew up, but I was discussing it more in a “grown-up” body kind of way, rather than focusing on “skinny”
I’m firmly now in the camp that “Barbie,” as a concept/toy, simply had these ideas put upon her by the people who interact with her as a concept/toy. She’s only indicative of what we choose and make her out to be, especially in marketing and who really profits off of it (Mattel)
@@user-dd5eh5lu3o what
like i don't think i ever looked at my dolls as a child and thought "this is what i must look like". i never gave a single thought to how their bodies were shaped. they were blank slates for me to play and come up with stories.
what did give me body issues was everything else. tv, movies, magazines. the 2000s were a hell of a time to grow up in and it constantly felt like i was told i needed to be skinny, but that never came from my dolls.
Barbie gave body image issues to the moms, not the kids
People wanna take the blame off themselves so they put it on an inanimate object. Dissecting culture as a whole involves looking into yourself as well and that's too uncomfortable for most people
Barbie didnt impact me. People did. People compared my body to Barbie, not Barbie herself. People told me I should aspire to look like Barbie, not Mattel. That was when I started comparing myself to the doll.
People literally said you should look like barbie or she just happens to have those characteristics?
@@Username0467 Men would often say something akin to "I want my girl to look like a Barbie". There would also be comments like "Why can't you look more like Barbie?" Or "if you diet and get some work done you could look just like Barbie." It wasn't about what you wanted, you just needed to look like her.
Coming back to this video again Lammily is basically a physical plastic embodiment of early-mid 2010s Buzzfeed
One thing that I remember but has been deleted from UA-cam is the promotional video for Lammily's "Period Party" where they sang a song that had the lyrics "Real Girl Period". This received a lot of blowback since it was seen as transphobic and even disrespectful to cis women who couldn't have periods as the lyrics implied that if you had a period you were a real girl. The comments were full of backlash and I think right after that was when the general public completely ignored Lammily.
This is messed up honestly. I have periods and I’m very offended
@@sandystudios223 I just checked and the video is actually still up and just buried. All the comments about transphobia have either been removed or buried.
@@pajamaken422 maybe the transphobia comments are removed because the United States is soooooo transphobic right now.
How out of touch is the person/people responsible for that idiotic idea? They probably weren't thinking about trans people...maybe they didn't even know trans people exist.
The creator dude is a Trump supporter so this checks out
My main problem with the actual doll itself, (aside from the disgusting sexism from the creator) is that the focus on her is being average. She’s literally marketed as average. I think she looks very pretty, and if they want to make little girls feel beautiful, they shouldn’t be marketing her as “average and normal” because it’s not going to make girls who look like her or have her measurements feel better about themselves. And her outfits too. Why couldn’t this doll with normal proportions be marketed as beautiful and glamorous? And why did they have to mention Barbie so much? It would be great to see a doll with healthy proportions be shown as “beautiful” and have Barbie-esque outfits without the whole purpose of her being a clap back at Barbie or some “unspecial” girl. In fact, her looks shouldn’t be mentioned at all.
THIS. Is Lamm somehow forgetting that being called “average” or “plain” is usually interpreted as an insult in real life? I highly doubt any little girls out there strive to be “average”, and I doubt even MORE that kids with body insecurities would feel more confident when their only representation is Lammily and her middle-aged mom clothes.
If I had the Lammily doll as a kid I would’ve casted her as the ugly sister or the annoying neighbor every time I played with Barbies. 💀
It always makes me mad when people complain about dolls or Disney princesses being unrealistic because THATS THE POINT AGHHH. What kid wants to play with a doll or watch a cartoon that looks realistic?! NONE.
Toys and cartoons are meant to be imaginative, fantasy and an escape from reality! Kids have super active imaginations and want fun things to fuel that imagination. They don’t want a boring recreation of reality that they already experience all the time because THTS NOT FUN.
And it’s always WOMEN too! Nobody was complaining about Ken or GI Joe being unrealistic, nobody complains about how “unrealistic” Comic book heroes look or how they could affect young boys. It’s only Women and feminine dolls and characters that get criticized for being “unrealistic” and “bad influences on girls”. And I think that shows A LOT about how society focuses way too much on women’s bodies and looks, usually without asking how women themselves feel.
Thank you for taking the words right out of my mouth! 😅 There's unfortunately no shortage of guys like him. I LOVE being a woman, but guys like this clown certainly don't make things easy. Whether it's play as a child, or collecting as an adult, it's supposed to be FUN. How abt don't be such a wet blanket and just live and let live? He's become a one man crusade for personal revenue, evidently 🙄
Exactly. And why would someone in the first place try to force realistic proportions on a toy? Dolls were never in the real (scaled) human proportions.
And do teddy bears look like real bears? Is entire world built using stud and tube Lego technology? It's nonsense.
@@milanzejakI've never once seen a monkey that actually looks like this "🐒" in real life and no one complains about that😂
I find quite funny that many adults refuse to embrace IMAGINATION and FUN
Do you have to conform to the “average”, to the “boring”?
Don't be UNIQUE, be AVERAGE
Look up David Bazooka and you'll see what the average adult acts like
I was in high school at that time and my peers insulted Barbie all the time. I ended up writing a twelve page paper and gave a whole presentation as to why Barbie is actually a good role model and always has been. About how a lot of the backlash is rooted in misogyny and aimed at her because she was easy to attack.
There’s always going to be issues with toys and brands and icons, but Barbie has always been one of the most progressive when it comes to representation and expressions of identity and empowerment. Showing ethnic and racial diversity (sometimes better than others), more recently showing more diverse body types, making dolls with prosthetics and mobility aids.
At the time I had a blonde pixie cut and was in the closet as a transmasc person, so seeing them come out with a doll that looked like me was a big deal to me. In the environment I was in, I was alienated for my appearance so having a doll to point to and go “Look. Is that feminine enough for you? Yeah?” was hilariously effective in getting people off my back and to stop judging me for looking so masculine. She provided a little bit of shelter in a very conservative environment that wanted me to fit into their ideals.
People just see hyper femininity, disregard it as vain, and belittle those aspects of femininity. Like sorry, but the whole thing about feminism is it’s intersectional, it’s for everyone. It includes the hyper feminine fairytale princess along with everyone else.
Barbie has always been about dreaming about who you can be. Who you want to be. And being that best version of yourself FOR yourself AND your community. These people only look skin deep and it shows in their bullshit criticism instead of looking inward at their own biases and the systems at large that do real harm.
I’m just saying, there’s a lot of things that have made me feel insecure and body conscious of the years, but Barbie never made it onto that list.
The "I'm not like the other girls" mindset really peaked in 2010's. Especially on tumblr you had that bizarre brand of feminism that hinged on going after other women.
Except they’re just like the other girls. Every bit as mean as the Plastics.
This so much. This type of “feminism” is part of why I got suckered into the Anti-SJW movement as a teenager: the only feminists I saw were the ones constantly shaming other women for being themselves so I thought that was all feminism was. Thankfully I eventually grew up and got out.
I'm not like other girls, I have S N A K E A R M S
I don't know why my mind immediately went to this after I read this comment
Sometime I see on tumblr, reedit or pinterest, artists that takes those old "me vs other girls" art and draw a new panel where they change the framing and makes the girls friends or girlfriends. It's so wholesome and it feels like society healing
I never really played with barbie as a kid but I was absolutely obsessed with the Tinkerbell movie. I had all kinds of merchandise from it (figures, books, etc) and would watch the movie on repeat. One day, my dad came downstairs and walked in on the scene where Tink’s iconic short green dress is revealed. He said something along the lines of “you know, girls who wear clothes like that only care about what they look like on the outside and aren’t pretty on the inside.” That sentiment really messed with me. I still enjoyed girly things but never really outwardly like I used to. I now had this idea that if I enjoyed things with girl characters who wore fun outfits and show more skin then what’s deemed “acceptable,” I wouldn’t be taken as seriously. Adults really are obsessed with putting their own biases and insecurities onto girly media…
I think the whole concept was misogynistic. It gave the vibes of "this is what a woman SHOUD be like" skinny shaming and shaming women for wanting to wear fun outfits. We should have dolls with all kinds of body types and hairstyles and that element of fantasy on top with varied fashion and gimmicks
pentecostal propaganda
Yeah, it is definitely misogynistic to assume Barbie is "sexualized" just because she has curves and wears fun outfits. Most fashion doll lines are accused of being sexual or damaging to kids and it is exhausting.
@@user-dd5eh5lu3o Barbie was literally made by a woman
@@user-dd5eh5lu3o Yikes. You need to unlearn that misogyny. Yes, all women are conditioned by beauty standards created by men but that doesn't mean women cannot enjoy femininity. Demonizing femininity IS misogyny no matter how you try to justify it. At least Barbie was created by a woman and has had many influential women in the company as well as men. There is a HUGE difference for some dude to create Lammily and say it is because of HIS VIEW of women. That is not the same as the creation of Barbie (which was to create an aged up doll for her daughter) no matter how much you try to twist it.
@@TinyGhostyDon’t even, this weirdo has been leaving comments like this to everyone, their either a raging misogynist or their trying to get a rise out of people going by their responses.
Lammily is like if you turned one of those Buzzfeed articles on why the Disney Princesses set a bad example for little girls into a doll.
Its almost like my history of ED's and body image issues comes from a long line of familial weight and mental health issues and not Draculaura's 1 1/2 inch waist. People will go to any lengths to keep girls from enjoying anything
your experience is not universal. i was a little girl playing with those dolls as well and i think that contributed GREATLY to my ED’s - i didn’t understand why i didn’t look like them, but i understood that they were intended to be “ideal.”
@@sagebell1309 your experience isn't universal, either
I'm not completely against the idea of an "average" fashion doll (i mean, Barbie herself has been like thay recently) but whay i really dont like about Lammily is the fact that she was made out of spite. Not for body-positivity or to inspire kids (which again, Barbie herself does that just fine). She's just there to spite Barbie and that's it.
Makes sense.
I think the Barbie hate was silly because Barbie isn't the cause of body issues, but a symptom of our culture valuing thinness and mocking anyone who isn't a very specific kind of body type. Can she contribute? Yeah, but there are a lot more, bigger issues at play that would require people, especially parents, evaluate how they are taking care of their child's mental health and showing them a variety of body types without shaming any of them. And also Lammily was just not fun or interesting, because it wasn't a doll made out of love to give children a new role model and expose them to new body types but just "Barbie is bad, this doll is everything Barbie isn't". Lammily doesn't have fun clothes, doesn't do cool things like be the first woman president, doesn't have supernatural powers, she's just "average woman doing average things" and misses the point of why kids like certain toys.
My parents never allowed me to own barbie dolls, watch barbie movies, or play with barbies at other kids houses.
I still very much ended up anorexic, so i truly wonder how big of an effect it had.
Dolls don’t have to be realistic to represent real bodies. We deserve plus-sized dolls in cartoonish styles like Monster High and Rainbow High. Kids can tell stylization apart from reality, otherwise they would think actual ponies have cutie marks and big anime eyes
Just another way to project problems onto dolls instead of their bullying crisis from awful peers in their schools which they do 0 about
Makes sense
Lammily is the almond mom of the fashion doll world
Lammily's fashion was so boring, I remember as a kid the number one reason I asked for dolls was because of the outfits. Like the way I dressed as a kid (and now, even!) was/is way more interesting than any of her outfits. There's just a lack of creativity in her whole schtick. Even if you wanted to go against the hyper-feminine Barbie, there are ways to do that that are creative and interesting. Ofc I think Lammily was held back by the 'average' label, she was treated like a stock photo model rather than anything more compelling (even using 'average', there are things you could do with that- sports, jobs, hobbies, etc).
What fashion taste can you expect from a man who likes Donald trump ?😂
Mattel and MGA are what they are because of gay men and powerful women 😘
This doll is both "woke" and littered with conservatism at the same time its so strange
That's an interesting paradox found in a LOT of properties today.
Ok so it tries to be body positive, and she’s probably a tomboy, but she wears conservative dresses and is literally skinny-average, and the creator supports trump.
Licherally how most early 2010s "libs" politics went, looking back at it. Having been a long time leftie, it was all too common at the time. Ppl would say they were advocates for women and queers expressing themselves, but would slam the hammer down if it was more risque than a tearful poem about their body image problems and "correct" forms of sexual expression. Also this weird assumption that showing more skin made you less feminist and feeding into misogyny even though half of those fuckers claimed they supported women's sexual freedom.
@@sandystudios223 first people that were making a fuss about Barbie we’re not Republicans are conservative liberal started that mess they were being a Barbies in certain parts of California, because he said girls are getting just eating disorders because of Barbie, which was not even true
One thing that grinds my gears about all these Barbie haters is the fact that they overlook He-Man when it comes to unrealistic body expectations for children. Wouldn't He-Man give boys an unrealistic expectation of their body image too? It's a doll people...a doll!
He-Man is for boomers though
@@Hauntaku Max Steel
I don’t think men and boys are socialized to care about their body image anywhere near as much as women and girls are, at least in the west. Men aren’t necessarily taught to envy male models or really muscular men the same way women are taught to envy female models. That doesn’t that men and boys can’t be or aren’t insecure about how they look, but from birth products marketed for girls are significantly more centered on appearance, controllable and uncontrollable factors alike, than products marketed for boys. Even Lammily falls into this; All her marketing is solely about her body and her appearance, and she has no personality of her own, no story. Boy’s Action figures bodies are products of their environments; they’re intergalactic superheroes who have to save the world and everyone they love from destruction! _Of course_ they’re buff and strong. Boy’s toys always have stories that hinge on much bigger things than muscles or being thin. It’d almost be stupid to focus on how unrealistic their bodies are when they have super strength, can fly, teleport etc. Boys aren’t taught to question _how_ these heroes got really buff, or if _they_ need to be buff to be valuable, or at least not until later in life.
i mean… is He-Man anywhere near as culturally relevant as Barbie? i’m sure that conversation would be a hotter topic if it was lol
I watched your video on “Barbiecore” before seeing the movie and when the president said “No one wants an average Barbie” I remembered what you said and was like “You’re totally right!” I love the mom, but when she recommended a plain, normal, boring Barbie I was like “that’s been Barbie for the past ten years.”😐
Fr cus that part of the movie confused me. She straight up described a Barbie who can be whoever she wants to be and I was like ‘yeah, that’s called Barbie’
Remember the Lammily beach video ?it's definitely one of the most mean spirited slut shaming things I'd ever seen
I haven’t seen it, but what did it have that contained s*ut shaming
So what did it have that counts as sl*t shaming?
@@sandystudios223 They got knock off Barbie dolls on bikinis doing twerking in an obvious way to say that woman that drees shortly and have fun are "stupid"
Let me guess…they slammed Barbie for wearing a bikini and had Lammily in a one piece suit?
@@Goleon more like "thin woman and oversized woman hate each other"
As someone who is average, i know im beautiful. And i know that other people being more beautiful doesnt make me any less beautiful. I played with barbies and she didnt give me body issues or insecurities, bullying did.
Yeah that was one of the reasons for me. I got made fun of for how I talk because of my speech problem and gee I wonder why I wasn’t that talkative to most of my classmates, only my friends who didn’t care how my voice sounded and how I pronounced words.
@@user-dd5eh5lu3o That's your problem then.
@@user-dd5eh5lu3o girl, maybe it’s time you get off of UA-cam and take a walk or something, there’s no way I’m looking through multiple comments and your always in them saying something strange.
"Barbie didn't effect me!" but Barbie did effect lots of other kids who hated Barbie because they represented model culture. This is mostly due to societal pressures and bullying. The doll is just a small factor. I didn't like Barbie because she's ugly. I love Bratz dolls!
I'm INCREDIBLY late to the party.. but I HAD TO run to the comments and say the descriptions of Lammily's additional outfits has me HOWLING.. "outfits appropriate for the funeral of a distant relative", "pentecostal couture" OMG 🤣😆
These dolls look like 40 year olds in their dress and style. No ten year old wants to look like that. They want pink and glitter. Excitement. Lots of careers. You know things rhat inspire creativity.
The whole Lamily not having a personality thing and wearing clothes that my grandma or 67 year old aunts would wear is so true. Even before you said it it reminded me of conservative church ladies. Yes, they are modest, wear no makeup, and dress plainly, but often they have no personality. They don't do much other than conform to what they're told they should do or look like. If you ask them to describe themselves they'd have a hard time telling you what their personality is like. Those are the same type of women that police their own daughters and tell them they shouldn't wear shorts because they'll look too provocative. The ones that side eye me because I wear sparkly makeup, dresses above the knee, pierced my ears, and wear platform heels. But you know what? I have an identity and I express myself through my appearance. And I'm not thin. I don't care.
I definitely would not have liked a Lamily doll back then. In 2015-2016 I was 11 or 12. I was obsessed with a new Latin Boyband and my favorite dolls were Ever After High. Those dolls are super thin. Do you know what I never did? COMPARE MYSELF TO THEM. I knew they were toys, dolls, and not real people. I knew I could never look like them because they were fairytale characters. And that was awesome. Like, heck yeah Apple White has an apple purse. OMG Crystal Winter has an ice headpiece. Duchess Swan's shoes have no actual heel on them? Hella cool. The girls that loved Monster High... Did any of you guys think you should grow scales on your skin, fins on your calves, fangs, and wolf ears? No. Because you knew it was make believe. We tend to love fairies or mermaids but do we feel bad because we don't have wings or a tail? Highly doubt it. We wanted fun dolls and not to be limited by reality.
I also have a problem with people assuming kids are so stupid that they'll base their self image on dolls. They have the brain to know it's not real. I always distinguished reality from fiction. Girls aren't so dumb to be brainwashed by dolls to believe we have to be a certain way. And you know what dolls like Lamily enforce that I FREAKING HATE?! That you can't be pretty and be smart. That if you invest time into your appearance or like girly things you're frivolous. Especially with that quote of the dude saying Barbie is intimidating and cold. The very same thing I've been told simply because I'm a strong person who knows what she wants and is sure of herself. Men like him hate that so much and are intimidated by women that don't seem easy to control. THAT'S the problem. And the women that share the same beliefs as those men and marry them only to raise their children with the same twisted views about what women should be. Believe it or not, what parents tell and demonstrate to their kids matters more than the dolls they play with. Who would've thought? 😃
Also to be clear I'm 19 right now. The age for which the average proportions were modeled after. You mentioned a 32 in bust and 31 in waist in how they marketed the doll. Funny, I'm actually a 19 year old with a 32 in bust and 30 in waist. I never exercise or monitor my food intake. I'm also a kinesiology student, and part of that involves different tests to evaluate fitness levels to train us for the situations we may encounter on the field. Is it a big surprise that I came out as below average for my weight for almost everything? My fitness levels almost always come to well below average or below average for tests on VO2 max, cardiovascular endurance, and the likes. I'm less healthy than a person my age and in college should be. I've also come up as technically obese on the body fat percentage lab.
What I mean to say with this is, just because you're average doesn't mean you're "healthy." I'm average, especially for my ethnicity, but it is not HEALTHY. I cannot run a bit or go up stairs without feeling out of breath. I cannot lift weights, I'm weak. Is THAT the image we want to promote to young kids if we believe dolls influence their body image? I would hope not.
My last point, I've been extremely thin as a child simply because I never really felt hungry. I'm talking bones showing, and I didn't have an eating disorder. It's just how I was. Up until I was 15 I was very thin. And it was always real live people, at church or just random individuals, telling me how pretty I looked because I was thin and how much they wished they were as thin as me. And I was just there like 🤨😃. When I looked at Barbie, it never made me feel like I had to be thin, or that thinness was equated to beauty. It was people's comments that placed that thought in my mind.
After puberty fully happened and I developed, my hips widened and I became curvier. During COVID I put on quite a bit of weight. I still had all my dolls and liked to keep them on display (still do to this day). I have them in my room and look at them daily. They never made me feel bad about putting on weight. However, once people started to notice I gained weight was when I felt bad about it. That's when my uncle, mom, and dad started to tell me I'd gotten fat, that my stomach was too big, that I looked pregnant, I was wide, or had eaten too many snacks. THAT'S when I started feeling bad about not being thin. When people insinuated that not being thin was bad, and that I looked uglier because of it.
All this talk about girls feeling bad about themselves because of dolls? No. That's the parents' doing and the parents need to own up to it.
Their is an overlap between what conservative Christians and hardline feminists consider ideal women's clothing.
@@greenamber9827 LMAO good point!
Agreed
her dedication to never serving is unmatched
I hate it when people try to compare barbie to real person proportions. What about GI Joe, what about he-man, they don't have accurate proportions to boys. But they didn't want to talk about the fact NO DOLL IS LIKE THAT.
Believe or not, hyper masculine toys are also criticized, equally as ridiculous
@@elizabethclarke4981- Yet I’ve never seen news reports on that.
@amvsarecool well ofc not as much, but they're quite alot of articles out there
As a kid, I never paid attention to the body types my dolls had. The only time I paid attention to it was when the world started blowing up about how "unrealistic" Barbie and (more relevant to me) Monster High was. I never paid attention to their bodies before. But after that, all I could think about was how "unachievable" dolls were. I think people complaining about doll body types is what does the damage, not the actual dolls themselves.
Thank you for this video, it brings all the context together to make the decision that this was fueled by misogyny. Emphasizing that Lammily has "minimal makeup" as a marketing strategy is suspicious. Ofc dolls can have minimal makeup, but the combination of "this is a REAL woman" and emphasizing "minimal makeup" is just reinforcing another strain of misogyny that is just as present in our society. You highlighted it well talking about how Lammily was ALL about her body image and how the creator had hollow intentions just to create a marketing buzz. This doll could have worked if it was created by someone else entirely, someone who actually understood dolls, children, and beauty standards. Because "natural women with curves and no makeup are REAL woman" is just another type of misogyny.
Right? The whole thing around her was him projecting his own insecurities, preferences, and fetishes onto a CHILDREN'S toy, of all things.
Also, and this may be a weird nitpick on my end but it kind of creeps me out that she came with bruise and scratches stickers. It feels pretty weird to me
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Oh my gosh YES I've been waiting for somone to actually cover this rather than say "oh yeah this happened" it's always seemed so disgusting to me especially considering that the man who made her didn't even care about dolls rather jsut wanted to be praised for making somthing patents can feel good about themselves for buying
Yeah finding that out pissed me off. That jerk was more in it for himself than the kids. Disgusting.
I feel like Lammily is the prime example of someone who clearly had no passion for fashion dolls and only wanted to create something to not only please whiny parents but also the media who was hounding Barbie for her body and appearance. While, I'm glad we've come a long way when it comes to diverse body types in fashion dolls, this doll only seemed like it was made for attention tbh.
The main thing that really caused body image issues were those magazines claiming Jennifer Aniston was fat, that Kelly Clarkson was fat, that Jessica Simpson was fat. That messed me up more than any doll ever did or would
It's funny how people who complain about how unrealistic Barbie is never mention or criticize giant-headed dolls like Blythe, Pullip or even Rainbow High. That element of fantasy is what most kids and collectors find so attractive and fun about dolls.
They do.. people critized bratz for being surgery crazy, busty, etc. Even OMG dolls made noise for dressing inappropriate (undergarments) and having promiscuous body
@@DoIIyMamaI did see something comparing a Lammily doll to a Clawdeen Wolf doll.
Because it's the parents projecting their body insecurities onto Barbie, not the kids.
I'm sorry, but we're you living under a rock when Bratz and LOL OMG dolls came to the market? Both were criticized for their body types. Rainbow High was spared from the backlash because they came our long *after* the LOL hype died down. Most people don't own a Japanese BJD, so of course they'll fly under the radar.
As someone who had trouble with my body, Barbie HELPED ME. Barbie wore what ever she wanted, followed her passions, confident. She wouldn't care what others said or thought! So I tried to follow that. I liked Barbie growing up, but those moments are when I actually grew to love her.
Barbie: she's everything.
Lammily: she's Just Jenn.
The team responsible for Lammily made her the very thing she swore to destroy...A girl who ended up making everything about her body to please adults..
Yknow, I'm really not against more "grounded concept" dolls or dolls with more realistic proportions(and fat dolls i want more fat dolls sooo bad)! Idk bro if it was earnest and not made with the sole concept of a grown man hating girly dolls(and dolls in general) and feeling superior about that....and with an actually well made doll...
What im saying is.. I enjoy the idea of a doll whos concept is just Normal Teen Girl Who Likes Traveling and Reading! I think you can pull a bunch of cool stuff from that.
But the marketing giving up on that and going fully "its great to be average lets all be average" its so so so stupid.
A chubby doll line would be so much fun! Especially if they were inspired by real fashion icons with larger body sizes.
@@BrittnyShrub Yeah!!!! Oooh i would love to have a doll with the fun looks naomi watanabe has for example
I tend to think different dolls fall into different niches of what kind of play kids like to do. Barbie is (usually) the aspirational adult. The person you can imagine being when you grow up, and the kind of person you can imagine pretending to be when you're like 8 and you're playing doctor. Bratz dolls are your older sister, the cool teens in your neighborhood. A little more approachable, a little easier to imitate and a little bit closer to the experiences of children. She's for imagining who you'd be like or who you'd hang out with when you're a teen. Monster high is a bit similar, except with the added fun of the fantastical monster. They're the weird outcasts you can imagine yourself relating to when you feel out of touch with your peers.
Lammily doesn't offer much to children in that regard. She's clearly meant to be an adult woman but she offers very little compared to barbie. She could've been a relatable aunt, a fun history teacher, the marine biologist you meet on a school trip, the electrician or plumber or builder. She could've absolutely tapped into a similar, but more approachable version of barbie. The type of person a kid can imagine being when they grow up, just instead similar to people kids may already know instead of the people on tv. She could be fun for kids with niche interests and hobbies that not a lot of girls toys tend to cater to. But Lammily doesn't seem interested in offering anything that kids might think is fun.
People need to realize that Barbie didn’t give most kids body image issues, hearing the adults around them talk about weight and how being skinny is desirable definitely did tho!
The name doesn’t help, they should have gave her a “normal girl name” like Chloe or Maddie. Or Becca. Or Emma. Like, all those other names scream “average,” not Lamb-il-y. Lol! She’s an average girl with a wacky name that no one can remember.
Also, her single defining trait is that she’s a traveler; so they made another Lammily doll whose single defining trait is she’s a photographer… Like, are kids supposed to believe that the first Lammily traveled all over the world and didn’t take any pictures?!? Barbie would have done both!
Or maybe Nicole, if he really wanted to name her after himself.
Ya know...I'm starting to think I played with dolls wrong lol. I never envied Barbie's waist, or her boobs, or anything like that. No. I wanted her elbow length hair. I STIIL DO!
As a kid I never thought twice about Barbie's body. If anything the idea that being skinny was more "beautiful" came from literally anything else. One embarrassing thing I do remember absorbing from Barbie when I was little was her skin tone. I thought to be pretty you had to be white and blonde so when I made characters in games and Miis I always made them look like Barbie and people would point out that it doesn't look like me. My attachment to Barbie came from the movies so even when my family gave me black Barbies I never saw the doll as Barbie because she didn't look like the Barbies in the movies. I think that's why as I grew older I had a way stronger attachment to my Monster High, Winx Club, and Equestria Girls dolls. By that point I had gotten over that self deprecating idea but the dolls I were getting were the characters that I liked and they weren't human in the first place so I never thought much about their skin tone. I'm glad that Mattel is now doing the two Barbie thing with their movies now that way kids who have a similar weird thought process as me can still get a Barbie they can see as Barbie while still having one who looks like them. I'm also glad that there is just way more variety with dolls in general now.
Honestly with the camping/travel idea's they had for Lammily, it would've been great if they leaned into that. Like yea she's an average girl, but she also loves nature and camping and fully embraces all that comes with it. With that, they could lead it back to body acceptance and accepting what's natural.
It’s insanely ironic to me that Barbie is criticized for being “a bad role model” or “misogynistic,” when a lot of her main detractors’ arguments can be boiled down to “Femininity is inherently shallow.” It just feels so much like that “I’m not like other girls” phenomenon. They can’t see beyond the extremely surface level observations they make, and in their attempts to be “feminist,” they just spout MORE misogynistic nonsense. It’s just so condescending and frustrating to imply that being “girly” and being strong and confident are mutually exclusive concepts in the minds of these people.
Feminist criticisms of fashion dolls tend to be based on the idea that makeup and stylish clothing is bad.
@@greenamber9827especially radfems i saw a post on a radfem blog celebrating that stupid puritan Karen tree change dolls for changing bratz one of them said "thank god those bratz are so creepy and sexualized" it's honestly sad how they view women/teen girls who dress glamorously as doing it for male attention because ofc a woman can't wear a cute pink miniskirt if it's not for her boyfriend🙄 sorry some of us have taste and y'all are stuck in your ugly 70s mom Jeans era😂
Exactly. Because there's this idea that a strong woman has to be an unkempt man and it's good that she's not into make up and clothes even though there are plenty of men who are in that.
I actually like the removable sticker idea. I would’ve loved that as a kid, especially if someone had tattoos.
When i was a kid in UK we had Sindy dolls which were girl next door types and they were hugely popular but the dolls were pretty and you could buy all sorts of fun things for them - riding costumes, ponies, dogs, ballet costumes - all very middle class but kids loved them. She did the fun things girls did in books, or if you were me and you had hand down dolls from your big sisters, you played Charlies Angels. She was a teenager butshe could have adventures and there were no parents. Lammily looks more like a thirty something 'soccer mom'.
I honestly hate the idea lammily cuz it's just it really feels like they give the idea of limiting yourself as something to be aspirational. Nobody says you have to be as effortlessly gorgeous as Barbie. She's a fashion doll if you want an educational toy get American girl
Barbie is meant to project your imagination onto, therefore she doesn’t really have a set personality. The fact that people complain about her being a “bad influence” says more about them than it does the actual doll 😓
I have the doll and to me, it's weird that she didn't come with any accessories considering that she was supposed to be a traveler. No luggage bag, no backpack, no documents, nothing. The animal rescuer boy also didn't have anything - was I supposed to imagine all the needed accesories or just borrow them from that cold witch Barbie? At least the photographer girl had a camera.
Also, Lammily's hair is weird, it doesn't want to lay flat and doesn't look good. Without the option to share clothes with other fashion dolls... well, it was a toy difficult to play with.
Getting both Olive Garden and Gucci ads during this video felt oddly on-theme. Lammily is the girl who thinks she's Not Like Other Girls on social media because she's anti-diet culture but instead of unpacking why diet culture is bad she just decided people impacted by it are bad, and Barbie is the girl who would acknowledge Gucci models have a hard job and deserve the same respect as anyone else and then get canceled on social media for it.
I played with Monster High dolls, who were also built like twigs. It did give me a preference for a slimmer body, but i was always more on the chubby side. I wanted to be just like those dolls though, despite my body shape. The only thing that truly made me feel shame about my body was the people in my real life degrading me. I was very secure in myself growing up until middle school lol. I wouldn’t blame the dolls on my insecurities, its the people who uphold those horrifyingly skinny expectations
Lammily has an 'average body' but has like a completely flat stomach? feels...not average to me
The fact that she was “average” is I think the problem. She’s boring! Barbie tells little girls; “you can be models. You can be teachers. Doctors, astronauts, you can run for President!” Lammily just says; “be normal” which I find problematic in its own way.