Perth makes sense, there's potential to make it a real success. PNG needs time and planning to make it work, but it shouldn't be discarded completely in my view. Another NZ team should be in the works as well there's room for 2. For non RL people who don't know much about the super league war, well worth looking at, it was a devastating time for the game, held the game back for a good 2 decades and traditional teams like the bears and your perth and Adelaide teams were collateral damage in the aftermath. Ultimately, all because of murdoch and pay tv.
Yes I remember the Reds. I have an old jersey. I still see the odd one around. I've never watched nrl, though saw a origin match in Perth. The Reds were getting pretty good crowds for a while until things started to fall apart internally and over super league. they played at the waca and got pretty good crowds, though probably inflated a bit with waca members. i don't think the fans were fussed about the circular ground that much. As they enjoyed seeing the matches. So a missed opportunity to have no NRL here for almost 30 years.
Agreed, Perth in the next 5 years, and then South Island and PNG over the next 10-15 years. Those teams will be more reliant on TV markets, as Port Moresby and Christchurch/Dunedin have modest populations, but could still be well supported Papua New Guineans and South Islanders. Perth Bears, South Island Kea and PNG Hunters.
@@adammaggs8563 No I am not sure about Papua New Guinea because of financial costs but I do think that Adelaide would have more of a better chance to have an (NRL) Team again like when they use to have the Adelaide Rams in the Competition & also it would be very good to have a new Adelaide Super Rugby Team in Rugby Union Football to play against Queensland Reds, NSW Warratahs, ACT Brumbies, Western Force & the Melbourne Rebels & all of New Zealand & the Pacifika Teams of course. Tasmania will enter their very own (AFL) Team called the Tasmanian Devils entering our AFL Competition in (2028 Twenty Twenty Eight) & I do believe that Tasmania would also have a better chance rather than Papua New Guinea again to either have a new Tasmanian Rugby League Football in our (NRL) Competition & maybe perhaps both of new Tasmanian Rugby Union Football Team also in our Super Rugby Competition in Rugby Union Football & also a new Tasmanian Soccer (Football) Team in also in our A-League in Football (Soccer) Competition to play against Brisbane Roar, Sydney FC, WSW, Melbourne Victory, Melbourne City, Perth Glory, Adelaide United, Wellington Phoenix, Newcastle Jets, Central Coast Mariners, Canberra, Auckland, Macathur, Western United in the Future as well too of course. Yes, it would be very good to have a Christchurch Rugby League Football Team in our (NRL) Competition and but Unfortunately & Sadly but I DONT see that's going to happen at all but however I do think that Christchurch would very most likely to have a better chance of entering our A-League Football (Soccer) Competition who would be a new (3rd) New Zealand Soccer Team but based on the South Island of New Zealand like both Wellington Phoenix & Auckland Soccer Teams who both based on the North Island of New Zealand of course.
NRL and AFL are both provincial anomalies unknown outside of Australia (weird northern UK league notwithstanding). If any other sport can flourish in WA it is Rugby. They have a massive South African and English diaspora.
In Perth you don't get poker machines in pubs and there isn't the club culture you get in NSW Qld. So any Perth team will need to find normal ways of getting revenue such as sponsorship and attendance.
@@Adroyo hopefully it is the bears. you'll probably get some fans in the stands with old western red jerseys. I guess if Bears wear red too, then it will pass. Pokies and sportsbars is a strange business model for anyone from Perth (and probably adelaide not sure). The only pokies are in Crown Casino. You just don't get any of the AFL, WAFL or other clubs having venues where they can make money.
@@jordanklingsporn763 That will be good for the Sydney arm of it. In Perth it will just rely on sponsorship and attendance at games, like all the WAFL and AFL clubs. The only place where pokies are allowed in Perth is the main Crown Casino. Good news you don't get governments in WA addicted to gambling revenue.
Clubs in Perth thrive without Pokies , obviously they have it figured out. The Bears hoping to God that "pokies" would sway it their way ? Gimme a break .
I have never bought the argument that a national league needs a team in every State. They're trying that argument in AFL now with Tasmania and trying it on with NT. Both just don't have the population. I think 20 teams are too much for NRL and AFL. Any extra clubs really need to bring more money and fans to the game. People rock up in Perth for NRL and Union internationals. The English, S AFricans, Zimbabweans and Maori/Islanders will ensure reasonable crowds.
@@mikespearwood3914 I think they struggle to get to 10k in Launceston and Hobart. It will be interesting when its 11 games and mostly Hobart. Either way, even 30k isn't really enough. The club will be propped up by the other clubs in the competition.
Newtown Jets work with Ipswich Jets , its the best option. North Sydney Bears work with a team from the QRL like Rockhampton or Bundaberg. Perth can join solo but use a few feeder clubs.
In all due respect guys both Jets clubs are as broke as 2 brass monkeys as to the real reason they are not in the NRL A grade comp . As for the North Sydney Bears after the pillaging that happen during the Northern Eagles merger by Manly Sea Eagles. Those Sydney games are more likely to take place at Central Coast Stadium as it is more equip than North Sydney Oval. As to sending a team to Bundaberg or Maryborough is currently as the Wide Bay Bulls disbanded 8 seasons ago in the Queensland Comp.
NRL should just create a second division, add all these micro clubs into that. Promotion to the top NRL for the champion, relegation for the lousiest team in NRL. Solved, your welcome. North Sydney RL could have moved to Perth back in the 1990s. But they didn't. They can rot where they are.
The time to do this was after the Western Force was dropped from Super League, but better late than never. League in PNG is not going anywhere, but if the NRL waits any longer in Perth then Perth's second code could be (shudder) Soccer
Dont get me wrong. The idea of a PNG team it self isnt the issue. However as mention in this video, in order for the NRL to become a proper nation series. There should be a team in Adelaide and Perth. Also the second team in NZ sounds good. If anything if there are enough quality players. The NRL should look in having 22 teams with the addition of teams in Adelaide, Perth, New Zealand, Darwin, and PNG.
Perth supporters will have a link to an existing NRL team. Many fans will be from the eastern states and have grown up with the game. Others that are Perth born would still have a team. When AFL teams started in Perth large numbers of people still barracked for non local teams, including the kids coming through. People just watch the game on TV now and don't care if they can't see them live. But the fact North Syd or Newtown haven't played for many years in NRL is a great thing. Because it feels like a new club for people from Perth. There won't be people that hate the Bears. They won't feel as disloyal to their previous NRL team. But NRL needs to help this team be competitive asap.
N Sydney tried to relocate to Gosford whereever that is, because it was regional I thought. Just from what I read. I've never been to NSW so don't really know the lay of the land. But I heard that they offered NRL and option within NSW regions. But NRL was never going to buy that when they need less teams in NSW not more. Preseason training camps and practice matches should definitely be in Sydney each year.
I agree that Adelaide should be looked at but I mean the same thing can be said about the AFL being national. Where's the teams in Newcastle and Canberra? They are the six and seventh biggest cities respectively. Despite that, i think what will end up happening is: 18- Perth 19- Christchurch 20- PNG This gives the NRL plenty of time to invest the money into grassroots and pathways so that there are players ready to go when PNG start. Eventually Adelaide should be 21 and maybe 22 can be a 3rd Brisbane or 2nd Melbourne down the track.
Too many teams. 18 is enough. That's it. AFL has got suckd into Tasmania, because of the success of JackJumpers there and AFL is losing ground in Tasmania to basketball. So AFL is going 19 and will probably then have to go 20th. The standard of play just drops away. Any extra teams in NRL have to bring more people to the game and not be a drain.
@@mikespearwood3914 Perth will have a generation of players coming through if they have a team. There are enough islander maori kids that they'll play seniors sooner or later. But lets face it, the NRL and ARU dropped the ball in Perth. A whole generation of people born in S AFrica and Zimbabwe (and there are lots in Perth) play AFL now or soccer if the kids are smaller. Not Rugby and that's a fact. Same with all the Brits in Joondalup. All soccer. massive own goal for the rugby codes.
I think a second team in nz makes sense especially at that new stadium.Perth worries me a little not enough fans of the game although the Sydney supporters helps a lot.as for png a lot of great players coming out from there maybe build up over there as far as junior development and 1st grade teams and help with money into team development and see how they go over 10 yrs.just a thought
I reckon the fixturing would hopefully be done so that the Bears primarily play Away in Sydney, not Qld or Vic. That would give hopefully up to 8 matches in Sydney. But they want to be careful and not have more than 1 home match in Sydney. That gives the wrong message to Perth fans. So its a delicate tightrope to keep both N Sydney/ Newtown or Perth fans engaged in the concept. NRL needs to step in and really make it happen with the away games for the next 10 years at least. As RugbyLeague spreads around Aust more you can't have the Perth team only playing 3 times in Sydney.
Even 1 regular season "home game" in Sydney sends the wrong message. Why take any games away from a fledgling market just to add more to a saturated market that will already see plenty of away games. It also exacerbates the travel burden of the Perth team
A team relocation would work better for Adelaide rather than Perth. With the FIFO crowd in Perth there is the decent base for a club, not to mention the Force has done pretty well in Super Rugby over there and the Reds only folded cause they had the cost of flying east coast teams over there put on them, much the same as the Eagles until the Dockers came in. In this day, with airline sponsorship, that wont be an issue
I'd imagine we Perthians would be pretty offended if our team had home games over east, surely there are enough chances for Jets or Bears fans to get to a game at SFS or Accor
Perth fans may have one extra game over east at absolute maximum. But the away games just have to be against Sydney games so you can get the 8 games in Sydney at least. Long term fixturing commitment. Obviously preseason training camps in Sydney and practice matches. During the season they could do a 2 week stint in Sydney for 2 matchs in a row and do training for a week or so there. Get the fans to the training venues etc. But having home matches in Sydney won't go down well.
There will be plenty of opportunities to see the Perth Bears or Jets in Sydney without taking a home match away from a fledgling market and in doing so, treating Perth as a second class fan base. "home games" in Sydney will add to the travel burden of a team that will spend more time traveling than any other team in the league anyway
@@PjRjHj it just takes creative fixturing of away matches only against Sydney teams and giving them preseason matches and camps in Sydney. Also training before or after matches in Sydney (by staying over) and allowing Sydney locals to see them train and have club events etc.
@@BDub2024lol the term hole in the head was meant to insinuate that we don’t need another Sydney team. Why would you tell him we don’t need another haha
The stadium was significantly rebuilt in 2010 yes. But recently it was shut down for 9 months to get it ready further for the women' soccer world cup. I think there are high expectations of stadiums now in Perth, so I expect they'd be looking to improve change room facilities further or increase size considering there will be multiple codes/teams playing out of the stadium. Also, I would expect they'd be aiming to increase corporate seating and boxes as that's a key money source. But if they wanted reserves or juniors playing beforehand or hosting women there consistently, then you'd need multiple large grandstand facilities and appropriate facilities for privacy and multiple teams.
If they could make the western grandstand look similar to the eastern one, it would look a lot better. Would also help to increase the capacity to 25,000.
@@B-tr9kz That is a heritage grand stand. Fred Book stand. Built in late 1950s. Coincidentally it was opened the same day that John Todd shattered his knee as an 18 year old. JT died aged mid 80s a couple of weeks ago. But I don't think they should remove historic stand. Also it reminds people that the ground never should have been taken away from the East Perth WAFL team, just so Glory would have a place to play. Fred Book stand remains. They could do the northern end behind the goals but that is the famous Hill glorified by Glory fans. I think capacity is fine.
@@B-tr9kz I suppose the other thing is that they need to put in lifts etc for access in the grand stands. Not sure if that's happened yet. But ground is sufficient in size as Glory only get 12000 absolute max. Union has dropped off crowds due to Force lack of success and lack of ARU support. Even Socceroos can play there and its big enough. It will actually take a bit of advertising to get it to sell out. Perth aint a soccer town.
@@mikespearwood3914 It even had no space behind goals and a natural amphitheatre. The locals started to play up that they didn't want night matches and the govt caved in.
50K attendance at last years double header at optus. the atmosphere was amazing. even if we had half of that at a smaller stadium it would be a bigger spectacle than half the suburb games
amongst the actual born and bred locals not really, they'd semi jump on a new team when they're playing well, like they do when the Glory are going well, but majority of west aussies don't care that much about league except for maybe watching origin annually and in fact a large chunk of them are semi hostile to rugby league (sort of like how hardcore league fans in rural QLD are openly hostile to aussie rules). However Perth is home to a huge community of people who have relatively recently moved there from QLD, NSW, NZ & the UK.......honestly it'd number in the hundreds of thousands, and this is where they'll get the bulk of their genuine week in week out supporter base from.
@@Chris-wd4ii don’t forget how hostile QLDers are of the AFL but that seems to be competing well right now and Perth has a bigger Population than Brissy. WA will get behind a well thought out effort that we can get behind. Not some Sydney excuse to get them back in
The Bears should be based in the Central Coast by building a supporter base to challenge the Knights region and also retaining the Manly rivalry by also playing a few games at North Sydney Oval a year. I don’t mind if the Newtown Jets become the Perth Jets aswell, they can play games at the Perth Rectangular Stadium and Optus Stadium while bringing games to Adelaide aswell. For the 20th team I’m level headed with a PNG team or a 2nd NZ based team based in Wellington and the South island
I think an Central Coast/Northern Sydney is a dead point between knights and manly territory and even many northern beaches people hate manly. So I think a team within CC/North Sydney region might give these people a team to support. But I think priority should be with Perth first.
The smart thing NRL should do is more teams in New Zealand. Wellington, Christchurch and a second team in Auckland to snuff out union, like NRL has done to rugby here in Oz. Kick the rotten door down and the whole rotten structure will fall in.
The best thing to do is transfer the Warriors to a New Zealand comp (have that as a part of the NRL umbrella as NRLNZ with a few other NZ expansion teams maybe including pacific teams also) Expansion Teams for Australia - Perth - Adelaide - Brisbane - Central Queensland - Central Coast - Sunshine Coast
@@pottsie_era You want to have the NZ teams in the elite Australian NRL to draw eyeballs. They can keep that rugby union lark as a feeder competition to NRL. Like FIBA is to the NBA. They have different rules too, but we all know where the coin is.
@@mikespearwood3914 Because there isn't any money in PNG to provide pathways for players. The $600 million should help with that. PNG live and breath Rugby League, its just a matter of providing the opportunities for young players.
For me, it’s Perth for sure. Either a North Sydney or Newtown Connection would be great. Team 19 to be Adelaide United ( idea being,like Barcelona SC in Spain it’s all under one sporting name). Team 20 .. has to be a second NZ. Where, not sure!
@@jughead4845 around our way we have footy clubs that have “United” in them. It’s not your thing, all good. But the name “United” isn’t just for soccer
Of course Perth should be the 18th team. Its a no brainer. Rugby Union dropped the ball in Perth when they dumped the Force and didn't provide sufficient means for it to be successful. Then Rugby League dropped the ball in the 90s when the Reds got dumped. Fact is that Perth is full of people east of the Barassi Line who have established themselves here for work. Also you have so many South Africans and Zimbabweans who grew up playing Rugby in colleges, but their kids play AFL and soccer. Plus the NZers etc... Any rugby team in Perth will have support. Who cares if its the Bears or the Jets. S Africans probably won't be so keen with Rugby league, but at least they have an understanding of on of the rugby codes. PNG idea is crazy ridiculous. Needs to be less teams in NSW too.
@@Firedogies Yeh I forgot about that. In Joondalup area you have the top six suburbs in Australia for English born people. Actually a smart person would have them training in Joondalup where you have all the English, S Africans... fair number of Maoris/Islanders in Wanneroo. Of course League has people in Belmont and Rockingham a long way south and east of there. But an interesting thought. AFL if they have a third team in Perth would be Joondalup (unlikely to happen) but it would throw down the gauntlett to the AFL.
@@Firedogies So many S AFricans and Zimbabweans I know would go to the Force in Rugby Union. They'd buy memberships because they're cashed up and go along to support the code. The ARU stupidly canned the team. And never really provided the help to ensure the team was successful beforehand. It relied on a billionaire Forrest to get the code back to Perth. So ARU has stupidly lost a whole generation of potential kids playing the game. All the S African / Zimb / English kids play AFL and soccer now.
@BDub2024 Also you forgot to mention Glory from Football (Soccer) of &/or in our A-League Football (Soccer) Competition are very popular of the British, Irish & European, Asian & even African and South American People who are expatriates who living in both Perth & Fremantle and because of this &/or that is Soccer is going to just as popular as (AFL) in the matter of time years to come in the Future eventually of course.
@@user-we8ue9qy9l Glory struggling to get 8,000 now. Playing at another venue while stadium was improved for womens soccer world cup didn't help. Then not winning. Club being sold etc. Also Football Australia banning them from salary breaches didn't help either. Glory has totally disappeared from public consciousness now. Rarely anything reported. Soccer is popular to play but not to watch. 8,000 best case scenario. Eagles and Dockers average 45k every week when they play at home. Those numbers will continue to increase. South African who love physical tackling game get into the AFL matches and don't mind their kids playing it either (or soccer). People are into watching EPL on tv, but don't want to watch domestic soccer league. AFL is just a juggernaut.
When Perth had the Western Reds I paid $500 to become a Foundation Member, then Super League took over the Rugby League comp, we lost our team, will I be paying out again, no I wont be.
Perth Oval / HBF Park needs a new Western Stand with Suites. Hindmarsh Cooper's Stadium may be considered too small. Needs to be bummed up to at least 20000 if there's room on the tight site
I can promise you that us Perth Locals will hate calling them "The Bears". Atleast "The Jets" sounds cool. I Believe we need our own identity to be proud of. We have such a large and diverse state and to name it after something that makes no sense to our geographical location or culture is stupid. There is atleast 1000 better names for us even with a merger.
Perth people won't care about the Bears. The average League fan won't mind. They just won't want "Spirit" or "Enlightenment" or "Mighty". Bears is traditional sounding enough. People barracking for a team in NRL just want a team name that sounds traditional I reckon. How about Perth-Swanbourne Bares? The locals will get it. Perth people apart from hard core NRL fans from NSW Qld wouldnt have heard of the Bears anyway. All they know is that they're getting a team.
The moniker "Jets" certainly suits Perth better than "Bears". The Jets share the same reasoning as to why the West Coast "Eagles" was chosen. The team will be flying a lot, more than any other team
As a Bears member I would hate to see them essentially relocating to Perth. If you want a team Perth then come up with your own name and team! Also, it didn’t work with South Melbourne of Fitzroy in the AFL. Those teams are dead.
Coastie here, and I am currently opposed to a Coast team. It would be like dropping a team from Werribee in the AFL. There is already 10 teams based in the area, so unless they cull teams down in Sydney it will just add to an oversaturated market. Yes, I would love to see a team here, but I don't want a team which will struggle, and the game needs to look at markets outside NSW/QLD in order to grow the game and the player base, not continue to tap existing markets
@@lynxraide that's a solid point, I'm just sick of doggies n roosters games. The coast could afford a team, but I do agree with ya, I just want a team, bloody Newcastle has a team lol. Go the mighty Broncos.
North Sydney bears always Perth pirates or convicts black and white or miners/ digger navy blue gold ( west coast eagles colours) Adelaide raven blue red (cause Adelaide crows) Christchurch paladins white gold black trim ( New Orleans saints) South Brisbane lions (east tigers) playing at the Gabba brown and yellow Darwin crocs orange blue Hobart blue tongues maroon blue Done Keep png in the pacific cup 8 teams Australia New Zealand PNG Samoa Tonga Cook Islands Fiji USA
@carpetsnake83 Then another Country that you forgotten to mention is Canada should as well become the new (9 Nineth) Pacific Cup Team as well too of course.
@@user-we8ue9qy9l think the super league should do Atlantic euro cup England Ireland Scotland Wales Canada France Italy Norway The super league should also have a consolidationof clubs in England and ask teams to spread out on the British isles rather then them being spotted either side of the m5 no
Tbh, I think the NRL wants to have their cake and eat it too. We just had the NRL season launch be played over in the USA, a market heavily dominated by the NFL. There's just... I mean why? I remember hearing that playing it in Vegas was to tap into their gambling market, but it still does next to nothing when it comes to growing the game. It would make more sense to open the season with games in Perth or NZ, and play it up in Grand Final style, by getting a famous band to play and make it memorable. But what do i know?
PNG must be the 18th NRL team. If PNG is not considered then quit QRL.cancell defense agreement with Australia and USA and looking forward to North for sports.trade and relations etc
The real reason for footy club licences is bums on seats at great prices. Ron Barresi is dead and gone and the line should disappear . Who cares about boundary lines , I don't . PNG getting the 18th licence is and was pie in the sky but the government $600million was not. I wish Wog Boy our PM stop doing this shit. Perth Bears or Perth Jets have a nice ring to it .
On a surface level The Perth Jets sounds better than the Perth Bears . On a deeper level Newtown have the kind of backing Norths can only dream of . Not to mention way more crowd support and actually winning Trophies in the State Cup .
Second team in NZ first. Adelaide and Perth didn’t work in Super League days. PNG? Only happens because of Albo and his $600M. Don’t mix politics and sport.
The Bears becoming the Perth Bears while playing 2 "home games" in Sydney each season is NOT the Sydney Swans model.
Perth makes sense, there's potential to make it a real success. PNG needs time and planning to make it work, but it shouldn't be discarded completely in my view. Another NZ team should be in the works as well there's room for 2. For non RL people who don't know much about the super league war, well worth looking at, it was a devastating time for the game, held the game back for a good 2 decades and traditional teams like the bears and your perth and Adelaide teams were collateral damage in the aftermath. Ultimately, all because of murdoch and pay tv.
Yes I remember the Reds. I have an old jersey. I still see the odd one around. I've never watched nrl, though saw a origin match in Perth. The Reds were getting pretty good crowds for a while until things started to fall apart internally and over super league. they played at the waca and got pretty good crowds, though probably inflated a bit with waca members. i don't think the fans were fussed about the circular ground that much. As they enjoyed seeing the matches. So a missed opportunity to have no NRL here for almost 30 years.
Agreed, Perth in the next 5 years, and then South Island and PNG over the next 10-15 years. Those teams will be more reliant on TV markets, as Port Moresby and Christchurch/Dunedin have modest populations, but could still be well supported Papua New Guineans and South Islanders. Perth Bears, South Island Kea and PNG Hunters.
@@adammaggs8563 No I am not sure about Papua New Guinea because of financial costs but I do think that Adelaide would have more of a better chance to have an (NRL) Team again like when they use to have the Adelaide Rams in the Competition & also it would be very good to have a new Adelaide Super Rugby Team in Rugby Union Football to play against Queensland Reds, NSW Warratahs, ACT Brumbies, Western Force & the Melbourne Rebels & all of New Zealand & the Pacifika Teams of course.
Tasmania will enter their very own (AFL) Team called the Tasmanian Devils entering our AFL Competition in (2028 Twenty Twenty Eight) & I do believe that Tasmania would also have a better chance rather than Papua New Guinea again to either have a new Tasmanian Rugby League Football in our (NRL) Competition & maybe perhaps both of new Tasmanian Rugby Union Football Team also in our Super Rugby Competition in Rugby Union Football & also a new Tasmanian Soccer (Football) Team in also in our A-League in Football (Soccer) Competition to play against Brisbane Roar, Sydney FC, WSW, Melbourne Victory, Melbourne City, Perth Glory, Adelaide United, Wellington Phoenix, Newcastle Jets, Central Coast Mariners, Canberra, Auckland, Macathur, Western United in the Future as well too of course.
Yes, it would be very good to have a Christchurch Rugby League Football Team in our (NRL) Competition and but Unfortunately & Sadly but I DONT see that's going to happen at all but however I do think that Christchurch would very most likely to have a better chance of entering our A-League Football (Soccer) Competition who would be a new (3rd) New Zealand Soccer Team but based on the South Island of New Zealand like both Wellington Phoenix & Auckland Soccer Teams who both based on the North Island of New Zealand of course.
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NRL and AFL are both provincial anomalies unknown outside of Australia (weird northern UK league notwithstanding). If any other sport can flourish in WA it is Rugby. They have a massive South African and English diaspora.
Just found your channel and I can honestly say I’m amazed at the amount of detail you put into this video
In Perth you don't get poker machines in pubs and there isn't the club culture you get in NSW Qld. So any Perth team will need to find normal ways of getting revenue such as sponsorship and attendance.
I think that's why the partnerships with the Bears could happen. Because they've got the pokies
This is where Bears come in
@@Adroyo hopefully it is the bears. you'll probably get some fans in the stands with old western red jerseys. I guess if Bears wear red too, then it will pass. Pokies and sportsbars is a strange business model for anyone from Perth (and probably adelaide not sure). The only pokies are in Crown Casino. You just don't get any of the AFL, WAFL or other clubs having venues where they can make money.
@@jordanklingsporn763 That will be good for the Sydney arm of it. In Perth it will just rely on sponsorship and attendance at games, like all the WAFL and AFL clubs. The only place where pokies are allowed in Perth is the main Crown Casino. Good news you don't get governments in WA addicted to gambling revenue.
Clubs in Perth thrive without Pokies , obviously they have it figured out.
The Bears hoping to God that "pokies" would sway it their way ? Gimme a break .
Adelaide couldn't even sell out a State Of Origin game last year.
Had to offer two for one tickets.
Yeah. An Adelaide team sounds like a great idea.
I have never bought the argument that a national league needs a team in every State. They're trying that argument in AFL now with Tasmania and trying it on with NT. Both just don't have the population. I think 20 teams are too much for NRL and AFL. Any extra clubs really need to bring more money and fans to the game. People rock up in Perth for NRL and Union internationals. The English, S AFricans, Zimbabweans and Maori/Islanders will ensure reasonable crowds.
Yeah lad bring back the Radelaide Rams
@@BDub2024 Tasmania is an Aus Football heartland, so will get the crowds no problem.
@@mikespearwood3914 I think they struggle to get to 10k in Launceston and Hobart. It will be interesting when its 11 games and mostly Hobart. Either way, even 30k isn't really enough. The club will be propped up by the other clubs in the competition.
@@BDub2024 That's for ring-in teams. Tasmanians have wanted their own AFL franchise for 30 years!
Newtown Jets work with Ipswich Jets , its the best option.
North Sydney Bears work with a team from the QRL like Rockhampton or Bundaberg.
Perth can join solo but use a few feeder clubs.
I also think the Newtown jets connection works with the Ipswich jets
In all due respect guys both Jets clubs are as broke as 2 brass monkeys as to the real reason they are not in the NRL A grade comp . As for the North Sydney Bears after the pillaging that happen during the Northern Eagles merger by Manly Sea Eagles. Those Sydney games are more likely to take place at Central Coast Stadium as it is more equip than North Sydney Oval.
As to sending a team to Bundaberg or Maryborough is currently as the Wide Bay Bulls disbanded 8 seasons ago in the Queensland Comp.
NRL should just create a second division, add all these micro clubs into that. Promotion to the top NRL for the champion, relegation for the lousiest team in NRL. Solved, your welcome. North Sydney RL could have moved to Perth back in the 1990s. But they didn't. They can rot where they are.
The time to do this was after the Western Force was dropped from Super League, but better late than never. League in PNG is not going anywhere, but if the NRL waits any longer in Perth then Perth's second code could be (shudder) Soccer
Dont get me wrong. The idea of a PNG team it self isnt the issue. However as mention in this video, in order for the NRL to become a proper nation series. There should be a team in Adelaide and Perth. Also the second team in NZ sounds good. If anything if there are enough quality players. The NRL should look in having 22 teams with the addition of teams in Adelaide, Perth, New Zealand, Darwin, and PNG.
Perth supporters will have a link to an existing NRL team. Many fans will be from the eastern states and have grown up with the game. Others that are Perth born would still have a team. When AFL teams started in Perth large numbers of people still barracked for non local teams, including the kids coming through. People just watch the game on TV now and don't care if they can't see them live. But the fact North Syd or Newtown haven't played for many years in NRL is a great thing. Because it feels like a new club for people from Perth. There won't be people that hate the Bears. They won't feel as disloyal to their previous NRL team. But NRL needs to help this team be competitive asap.
Perth and Adelaide make sense. There’s room for rugby league to grow in these big cities.
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Absolutely. Adelaide and a 2nd NZ Team to make it 20. PNG could go in once they have their pathways set, and NRL sets up conferences.
North Sydney Oval is no where near up to scratch in hosting NRL games that's why the Bears tried to relocate to Gosford.
N Sydney tried to relocate to Gosford whereever that is, because it was regional I thought. Just from what I read. I've never been to NSW so don't really know the lay of the land. But I heard that they offered NRL and option within NSW regions. But NRL was never going to buy that when they need less teams in NSW not more. Preseason training camps and practice matches should definitely be in Sydney each year.
I agree that Adelaide should be looked at but I mean the same thing can be said about the AFL being national. Where's the teams in Newcastle and Canberra? They are the six and seventh biggest cities respectively.
Despite that, i think what will end up happening is:
18- Perth
19- Christchurch
20- PNG
This gives the NRL plenty of time to invest the money into grassroots and pathways so that there are players ready to go when PNG start.
Eventually Adelaide should be 21 and maybe 22 can be a 3rd Brisbane or 2nd Melbourne down the track.
Too many teams. 18 is enough. That's it. AFL has got suckd into Tasmania, because of the success of JackJumpers there and AFL is losing ground in Tasmania to basketball. So AFL is going 19 and will probably then have to go 20th. The standard of play just drops away. Any extra teams in NRL have to bring more people to the game and not be a drain.
Newcastle & Canberra provide AFL players though. Where are the Perth & Adelaide NRL players???
@@mikespearwood3914 Perth will have a generation of players coming through if they have a team. There are enough islander maori kids that they'll play seniors sooner or later. But lets face it, the NRL and ARU dropped the ball in Perth. A whole generation of people born in S AFrica and Zimbabwe (and there are lots in Perth) play AFL now or soccer if the kids are smaller. Not Rugby and that's a fact. Same with all the Brits in Joondalup. All soccer. massive own goal for the rugby codes.
@@mikespearwood3914 Perth have provided plenty of NRL talent over the years. Adelaide I'm not too familiar with.
@@B-tr9kz Like who???
I think a second team in nz makes sense especially at that new stadium.Perth worries me a little not enough fans of the game although the Sydney supporters helps a lot.as for png a lot of great players coming out from there maybe build up over there as far as junior development and 1st grade teams and help with money into team development and see how they go over 10 yrs.just a thought
I reckon the fixturing would hopefully be done so that the Bears primarily play Away in Sydney, not Qld or Vic. That would give hopefully up to 8 matches in Sydney. But they want to be careful and not have more than 1 home match in Sydney. That gives the wrong message to Perth fans. So its a delicate tightrope to keep both N Sydney/ Newtown or Perth fans engaged in the concept. NRL needs to step in and really make it happen with the away games for the next 10 years at least. As RugbyLeague spreads around Aust more you can't have the Perth team only playing 3 times in Sydney.
Even 1 regular season "home game" in Sydney sends the wrong message.
Why take any games away from a fledgling market just to add more to a saturated market that will already see plenty of away games. It also exacerbates the travel burden of the Perth team
A team relocation would work better for Adelaide rather than Perth. With the FIFO crowd in Perth there is the decent base for a club, not to mention the Force has done pretty well in Super Rugby over there and the Reds only folded cause they had the cost of flying east coast teams over there put on them, much the same as the Eagles until the Dockers came in. In this day, with airline sponsorship, that wont be an issue
@lynxraide Also you forgotten to mention that Glory who are also doing very well in the A-League Football (Soccer) in Perth as well too of course.
I'd imagine we Perthians would be pretty offended if our team had home games over east, surely there are enough chances for Jets or Bears fans to get to a game at SFS or Accor
Perth fans may have one extra game over east at absolute maximum. But the away games just have to be against Sydney games so you can get the 8 games in Sydney at least. Long term fixturing commitment. Obviously preseason training camps in Sydney and practice matches. During the season they could do a 2 week stint in Sydney for 2 matchs in a row and do training for a week or so there. Get the fans to the training venues etc. But having home matches in Sydney won't go down well.
There will be plenty of opportunities to see the Perth Bears or Jets in Sydney without taking a home match away from a fledgling market and in doing so, treating Perth as a second class fan base. "home games" in Sydney will add to the travel burden of a team that will spend more time traveling than any other team in the league anyway
@@PjRjHj it just takes creative fixturing of away matches only against Sydney teams and giving them preseason matches and camps in Sydney. Also training before or after matches in Sydney (by staying over) and allowing Sydney locals to see them train and have club events etc.
Then a 20th needs to be a Second team in New Zealand. We need another Sydney team as much as we need a hole in the head
it won't be in NSW. NZ does grow the game. I wonder if there are ever any options to play the game into asia like singapore.
@@BDub2024lol the term hole in the head was meant to insinuate that we don’t need another Sydney team. Why would you tell him we don’t need another haha
The stadium was significantly rebuilt in 2010 yes. But recently it was shut down for 9 months to get it ready further for the women' soccer world cup. I think there are high expectations of stadiums now in Perth, so I expect they'd be looking to improve change room facilities further or increase size considering there will be multiple codes/teams playing out of the stadium. Also, I would expect they'd be aiming to increase corporate seating and boxes as that's a key money source. But if they wanted reserves or juniors playing beforehand or hosting women there consistently, then you'd need multiple large grandstand facilities and appropriate facilities for privacy and multiple teams.
If they could make the western grandstand look similar to the eastern one, it would look a lot better. Would also help to increase the capacity to 25,000.
@@B-tr9kz That is a heritage grand stand. Fred Book stand. Built in late 1950s. Coincidentally it was opened the same day that John Todd shattered his knee as an 18 year old. JT died aged mid 80s a couple of weeks ago. But I don't think they should remove historic stand. Also it reminds people that the ground never should have been taken away from the East Perth WAFL team, just so Glory would have a place to play. Fred Book stand remains. They could do the northern end behind the goals but that is the famous Hill glorified by Glory fans. I think capacity is fine.
@@B-tr9kz I suppose the other thing is that they need to put in lifts etc for access in the grand stands. Not sure if that's happened yet. But ground is sufficient in size as Glory only get 12000 absolute max. Union has dropped off crowds due to Force lack of success and lack of ARU support. Even Socceroos can play there and its big enough. It will actually take a bit of advertising to get it to sell out. Perth aint a soccer town.
@@BDub2024 Yep, rectangle stadium should've been Leederville Oval.
@@mikespearwood3914 It even had no space behind goals and a natural amphitheatre. The locals started to play up that they didn't want night matches and the govt caved in.
Is there an appetite for league in WA?
Qeenland
50K attendance at last years double header at optus. the atmosphere was amazing. even if we had half of that at a smaller stadium it would be a bigger spectacle than half the suburb games
amongst the actual born and bred locals not really, they'd semi jump on a new team when they're playing well, like they do when the Glory are going well, but majority of west aussies don't care that much about league except for maybe watching origin annually and in fact a large chunk of them are semi hostile to rugby league (sort of like how hardcore league fans in rural QLD are openly hostile to aussie rules).
However Perth is home to a huge community of people who have relatively recently moved there from QLD, NSW, NZ & the UK.......honestly it'd number in the hundreds of thousands, and this is where they'll get the bulk of their genuine week in week out supporter base from.
@@Chris-wd4ii don’t forget how hostile QLDers are of the AFL but that seems to be competing well right now and Perth has a bigger Population than Brissy. WA will get behind a well thought out effort that we can get behind. Not some Sydney excuse to get them back in
@@Chris-wd4ii Good response Chris, Perth Bears looking likely.
I always thought that Norfolk Island should have a team
The Bears should be based in the Central Coast by building a supporter base to challenge the Knights region and also retaining the Manly rivalry by also playing a few games at North Sydney Oval a year. I don’t mind if the Newtown Jets become the Perth Jets aswell, they can play games at the Perth Rectangular Stadium and Optus Stadium while bringing games to Adelaide aswell. For the 20th team I’m level headed with a PNG team or a 2nd NZ based team based in Wellington and the South island
I think an Central Coast/Northern Sydney is a dead point between knights and manly territory and even many northern beaches people hate manly. So I think a team within CC/North Sydney region might give these people a team to support. But I think priority should be with Perth first.
The smart thing NRL should do is more teams in New Zealand. Wellington, Christchurch and a second team in Auckland to snuff out union, like NRL has done to rugby here in Oz. Kick the rotten door down and the whole rotten structure will fall in.
The best thing to do is
transfer the Warriors to a New Zealand comp (have that as a part of the NRL umbrella as NRLNZ with a few other NZ expansion teams maybe including pacific teams also)
Expansion Teams for Australia
- Perth
- Adelaide
- Brisbane
- Central Queensland
- Central Coast
- Sunshine Coast
@@pottsie_era You want to have the NZ teams in the elite Australian NRL to draw eyeballs. They can keep that rugby union lark as a feeder competition to NRL. Like FIBA is to the NBA. They have different rules too, but we all know where the coin is.
New Zealand isn't Australia bud. Rugby is much more entrenched culturally and socially than league.
@@Charlie-uz8vb They are both 'rugby'. They just turned out differently.
7:40 sounds like a personal grievance
So they pick an Aussie Rules state over a country whose most popular sport is Rugby League. Yep makes sense to me.
To be fair, where are the PNG NRL players currently??? If they're any good, then why aren't NRL clubs recruiting them??!
@@mikespearwood3914 Because there isn't any money in PNG to provide pathways for players. The $600 million should help with that. PNG live and breath Rugby League, its just a matter of providing the opportunities for young players.
@@B-tr9kz Why aren't NRL clubs exploiting this heartland already???!
@@mikespearwood3914 probably because it costs a lot of money to even set up and most clubs are pretty content with within their own boundaries.
It certainly makes sense to have a presence in the nations wealthy 4th largest market
For me, it’s Perth for sure. Either a North Sydney or Newtown Connection would be great. Team 19 to be Adelaide United ( idea being,like Barcelona SC in Spain it’s all under one sporting name). Team 20 .. has to be a second NZ. Where, not sure!
No United. It's not a soccer team. Perth should go alone, no bears or jets. They need their own identity luke storm, broncos etc.
@@jughead4845 around our way we have footy clubs that have “United” in them. It’s not your thing, all good. But the name “United” isn’t just for soccer
Of course Perth should be the 18th team. Its a no brainer. Rugby Union dropped the ball in Perth when they dumped the Force and didn't provide sufficient means for it to be successful. Then Rugby League dropped the ball in the 90s when the Reds got dumped. Fact is that Perth is full of people east of the Barassi Line who have established themselves here for work. Also you have so many South Africans and Zimbabweans who grew up playing Rugby in colleges, but their kids play AFL and soccer. Plus the NZers etc... Any rugby team in Perth will have support. Who cares if its the Bears or the Jets. S Africans probably won't be so keen with Rugby league, but at least they have an understanding of on of the rugby codes. PNG idea is crazy ridiculous. Needs to be less teams in NSW too.
Also alot of british in perth, they will be familiar with rugby league and will check it out.
@@Firedogies Yeh I forgot about that. In Joondalup area you have the top six suburbs in Australia for English born people. Actually a smart person would have them training in Joondalup where you have all the English, S Africans... fair number of Maoris/Islanders in Wanneroo. Of course League has people in Belmont and Rockingham a long way south and east of there. But an interesting thought. AFL if they have a third team in Perth would be Joondalup (unlikely to happen) but it would throw down the gauntlett to the AFL.
@@Firedogies So many S AFricans and Zimbabweans I know would go to the Force in Rugby Union. They'd buy memberships because they're cashed up and go along to support the code. The ARU stupidly canned the team. And never really provided the help to ensure the team was successful beforehand. It relied on a billionaire Forrest to get the code back to Perth. So ARU has stupidly lost a whole generation of potential kids playing the game. All the S African / Zimb / English kids play AFL and soccer now.
@BDub2024 Also you forgot to mention Glory from Football (Soccer) of &/or in our A-League Football (Soccer) Competition are very popular of the British, Irish & European, Asian & even African and South American People who are expatriates who living in both Perth & Fremantle and because of this &/or that is Soccer is going to just as popular as (AFL) in the matter of time years to come in the Future eventually of course.
@@user-we8ue9qy9l Glory struggling to get 8,000 now. Playing at another venue while stadium was improved for womens soccer world cup didn't help. Then not winning. Club being sold etc. Also Football Australia banning them from salary breaches didn't help either. Glory has totally disappeared from public consciousness now. Rarely anything reported. Soccer is popular to play but not to watch. 8,000 best case scenario. Eagles and Dockers average 45k every week when they play at home. Those numbers will continue to increase. South African who love physical tackling game get into the AFL matches and don't mind their kids playing it either (or soccer). People are into watching EPL on tv, but don't want to watch domestic soccer league. AFL is just a juggernaut.
Thanks for the good news 🎉
When Perth had the Western Reds I paid $500 to become a Foundation Member, then Super League took over the Rugby League comp, we lost our team, will I be paying out again, no I wont be.
Ok
South Australia and Western Australia ground already bult
Perth Oval / HBF Park needs a new Western Stand with Suites.
Hindmarsh Cooper's Stadium may be considered too small. Needs to be bummed up to at least 20000 if there's room on the tight site
Qeenland
Perth is Logical.
I can promise you that us Perth Locals will hate calling them "The Bears". Atleast "The Jets" sounds cool. I Believe we need our own identity to be proud of. We have such a large and diverse state and to name it after something that makes no sense to our geographical location or culture is stupid. There is atleast 1000 better names for us even with a merger.
The jets because of FIFO
Bears will be great. Most Perth locals know nothing about nrl
Perth people won't care about the Bears. The average League fan won't mind. They just won't want "Spirit" or "Enlightenment" or "Mighty". Bears is traditional sounding enough. People barracking for a team in NRL just want a team name that sounds traditional I reckon. How about Perth-Swanbourne Bares? The locals will get it. Perth people apart from hard core NRL fans from NSW Qld wouldnt have heard of the Bears anyway. All they know is that they're getting a team.
The moniker "Jets" certainly suits Perth better than "Bears".
The Jets share the same reasoning as to why the West Coast "Eagles" was chosen. The team will be flying a lot, more than any other team
New. NRL. Times
Central Coast Bears
As a Bears member I would hate to see them essentially relocating to Perth. If you want a team Perth then come up with your own name and team! Also, it didn’t work with South Melbourne of Fitzroy in the AFL. Those teams are dead.
What about England or Japan?
Central coast should get a team before either of these places. PNG is a third world FFS.
Coastie here, and I am currently opposed to a Coast team. It would be like dropping a team from Werribee in the AFL. There is already 10 teams based in the area, so unless they cull teams down in Sydney it will just add to an oversaturated market. Yes, I would love to see a team here, but I don't want a team which will struggle, and the game needs to look at markets outside NSW/QLD in order to grow the game and the player base, not continue to tap existing markets
@@lynxraide that's a solid point, I'm just sick of doggies n roosters games.
The coast could afford a team, but I do agree with ya, I just want a team, bloody Newcastle has a team lol. Go the mighty Broncos.
North Sydney bears always
Perth pirates or convicts black and white or miners/ digger navy blue gold ( west coast eagles colours)
Adelaide raven blue red (cause Adelaide crows)
Christchurch paladins white gold black trim ( New Orleans saints)
South Brisbane lions (east tigers) playing at the Gabba brown and yellow
Darwin crocs orange blue
Hobart blue tongues maroon blue
Done
Keep png in the pacific cup 8 teams
Australia
New Zealand
PNG
Samoa
Tonga
Cook Islands
Fiji
USA
@carpetsnake83 Then another Country that you forgotten to mention is Canada should as well become the new (9 Nineth) Pacific Cup Team as well too of course.
@@user-we8ue9qy9l think the super league should do Atlantic euro cup
England
Ireland
Scotland
Wales
Canada
France
Italy
Norway
The super league should also have a consolidationof clubs in England and ask teams to spread out on the British isles rather then them being spotted either side of the m5 no
@@user-we8ue9qy9l the pacific cup should start after Super Bowl and the pacific cup should be followed by the two nrl games in la
And add a 10th team, Guam
StROM. And. Rabbitohs
Tbh, I think the NRL wants to have their cake and eat it too. We just had the NRL season launch be played over in the USA, a market heavily dominated by the NFL. There's just... I mean why? I remember hearing that playing it in Vegas was to tap into their gambling market, but it still does next to nothing when it comes to growing the game. It would make more sense to open the season with games in Perth or NZ, and play it up in Grand Final style, by getting a famous band to play and make it memorable. But what do i know?
Png is better of with China's funding then with Australia. All systems suit Chinas systems and that would be a Church Wedding relationship
PNG must be the 18th NRL team. If PNG is not considered then quit QRL.cancell defense agreement with Australia and USA and looking forward to North for sports.trade and relations etc
The Western Reds did great in Perth 🙄
They had bigger crowds than most the Sydney teams. Having to pay for the opposing teams flights and accommodation is what screwed them over
They barely had a chance
They actually did pretty good. They were just a causality of the Super League War at the time.
Perth bears? What sort of bull.... name is that 🤦♂️🤣
The real reason for footy club licences is bums on seats at great prices. Ron Barresi is dead and gone and the line should disappear . Who cares about boundary lines , I don't . PNG getting the 18th licence is and was pie in the sky but the government $600million was not. I wish Wog Boy our PM stop doing this shit. Perth Bears or Perth Jets have a nice ring to it .
PNG Cannibals.
Inaccurate to say 'PNG cannibals'.
@@CharlesMuri-se6nv They haven't been cannibals for about half a century but I was joking anyway.
@@BeRobn Joking about such sensitive topics can perpetuate stereotypes and misunderstandings about the rich and diverse cultures of PNG.
Where your ancestor come from my friend, know your history and grow up. Don't talk smart.
#bring back the western reds
New games. For. Qeenland. Times. Into. Be. Comes. Bega valley football club
On a surface level The Perth Jets sounds better than the Perth Bears . On a deeper level Newtown have the kind of backing Norths can only dream of . Not to mention way more crowd support and actually winning Trophies in the State Cup .
And the Jets don’t want to move home games to Sydney - that instantly gives them a leg up over the Bears
Jets are shit. No chance
Second team in NZ first. Adelaide and Perth didn’t work in Super League days. PNG? Only happens because of Albo and his $600M. Don’t mix politics and sport.
It’s unfortunate Perth are falling to the darkside 🤭
Victorian football will always be the darkside ya bloody tosser