Prototyping Framework Laptop Expansion Cards
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- In this video I'll be doing some preliminary prototyping of a magnetic "MagSafe" charging expansion card, and a hidden RF Mouse dongle Card for the Framework Laptop. Although these are primarily for finalizing PCB dimensions I will see if I can get them to actually function.
Framework Laptop Review - • The Framework Laptop -...
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Timecodes:
0:00 - Opener
1:37 - The Actual Plan
3:02 - Designing/Building the MagSafe Enclosure.
4:48 - MagSafe Enclosure Results
5:57 - Tiny Soldering
8:45 - Final Assembly
9:48 - RF Dongle Plans A, B and C
11:30 - RF Dongle Card Design and Assembly
12:51 - Final Results
13:06 - Testing the Cards
16:26 - Final Thoughts
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Definitely interested in a thunderbolt eGPU test
Saw someone make a video about it working but not with many tests. The board is thunderbolt supported as is the cpu and the ports
yes, definitely more interested in that.
Imma sub to see that
Agreed.
I think linus tech tips mention it's working(the thunderbolt) but framework never mention tb support because of tb certification i guess(?)
dude, i didnt know they were actually providing cad and board references for expension cards. this just blew my mind. like, who does that...
They offer the repair manual and schematics to shops, why wouldn't they provide mere expansion card design?
@@houghwhite411 maybe so they could make some sort of money off of it, this is super cool though, you can probably get super creative with all this and make some insane expansion cards
The really nice thing is, they can have the creative minds of those who want to make Expansion cards do their thing and if there is enough demand they can ask for the design and do a first Party Version for it to sell of the webpage.
The only sad thing for me personally is that i'm not in the market for a New laptop right now (also a European keyboard would help massively)
To my absolute surprise, HP does! Or did. For older laptops, repair manuals exist, which include fairly detailed schmeatics, maybe not full boardview level, but still pretty detailed. Thing you can find while using HP Part Surfer are pretty amazing. But, when Haswell came, with the last socketable intel mobile CPU being Core i7-4700HQ HP never bothered again.
That didn't stop them from whitelisting WiFi and WWAN adapters.
Arduino does 😄
The logitech unifying receiver was one of the most requested add-ins when the Framework was still an upcoming concept. Nice video!
The one I'm designing should be compatible with any RF receiver simply by removing the RF PCB from the dongle housing and sliding it into the enclosure.
@@ElevatedSystems sick
@@ElevatedSystems i couldn't help but think from a user stand point. wouldn't making an enclosure that could fit a pre made dongle fit flush make more sense than heaving to gut and re solder the dongle?
@@RoraighPrice yep would make more sense. But I'm not sure if dongles are always same size
@@ElevatedSystems Why not make a pcb with something equivalent to POGO pins that you can just slide the gutted dongle against since the dongles usually just have the 4 usb pins on the one side and are rarely usb 3.0 spec. then you don't have to accommodate/source thinner USB type A connectors.
I love how framework makes this possible. This is the laptop we should've had a long, long time ago.
I think this is the most important aspect of Framework's design that people are missing. The third-party peripherals they've created a platform for is so cool, not just for aspiring entrepreneurs, but for STEM and education in CAD and 3D printing.
pretty cool for an initial prototyping! I really hope Framework will continue to grow and expand into a household name company to support DIY and right to repair instead of buying another new laptop model that costs a lot of money.
Totally agree
@@badjonatan but you don’t have to throw them away. Framework has said you’ll be able to run their MB outside of the case. Whether or not the typical consumer needs a second, slower computer is of question, but I could totally give it to my kids, run it as a server, etc.
@@badjonatan ok yes, that's a valid problem but
would a normal consumer of, idk, youtube and excel sheets need the newest hardware
I've known people that still runs a 3700 intel cpu from god knows how long
what they have is decent for the current times, not bleeding edge by any means tho
but would definitely still hold up in 5-10 more years given that the user is not doing heavy work
(at which point, a PC would probably be the way to go anyway)
@@badjonatan a £50-30% saving is still pretty good!
The problem is that this kind of product isn't designed to make a lot of money, so unless the demand is huge, they're sunk. I'll buy one when a Ryzen version exists
When Linus mentioned the idea of someone making their own third-party magsafe connection for this laptop, I was super excited because that was probably one of my favorite features of the old mac books. I might just buy this laptop to support the company (and to eventually have fun with all the third party ports lol) once I get a bit more money saved up. Great video!
As someone who built their own Desktop PC and loves tinkering, I can't help but agree, the idea of being able to build and customize my own laptop has me giddy, especially once they have AMD parts.
If I wasn't already in the process of upgrading my (much less flexible) cheap 17 inch HP laptop I'd probably start saving for one of these immediately, as it stands I'll probably wait a couple years to at least give my HP a fair run before turning it into a server or something
This allows us to call out all the crap from traditional companies. It's soooo easy to make a magnetic port, as this video proves. everybody trips over laptop chargers, it's stupid to have the whole thing fly off the table each time. magnetic ports are the biggest no-brainer that apple seems to want to withhold from the public. well now we can just DIY.
@@kvidal88 They aren't withholding it though? They just brought it back on the 14" and 16".... at $2000+ of course. Hyped when the Framework laptop is going to be mainstream with all the 3rd party ports available.
could probably be worth picking an 11th gen intel model now since they have been discounted following the 12 gen intel framework launch
One thing that interests me would be a dual-USB expansion card. It obviously would not have full bandwidth in both slots, but it would be great for devices that don't need the full 10Gbps transfer speed like a USB numpad/mouse. The card definitely has room for at least two type-C slots, even if type-a doesn't work out.
A type C splitter / hub card makes so much sense, I'm surprised it's not an official option.
I'm honestly super excited to see what expansion cards third parties come out within a few months' time with proper R&D. For one, there's nothing preventing someone from making a multifunction card - just put a USB hub controller chip on the PCB, and we could possibly have a "Logitech dongle with USB passthrough" card. Now that's something I'd pay good money for.
Imagine the horror of "Apple original Magsafe Port - Expansion Card for Framework"
A full-size SD card reader would also be cool. 🙂 Just an amazing DIY field. 👌
Get a small enough PCB and you could have an internal RF receiver, two USB-C ports, and _maybe_ an SD card reader. That'd be sick!
Honestly I'd love to see all of these concepts realized, even if just as diy projects, by the time my old laptop is weak enough for me to need a Framework laptop it'd be awesome to have a mountain of port options to exactly what I want (and flex on non-modular PCs because I won't be able to resist)
The cool thing here is that framework probably loves the fact that you’ve done this instead of wishing they could charge you $1000 for a new laptop everytime you want a new port
Because unlike a lot of companies, their marketing team isn't made up of greedy corporate idiots
Looked like there was enough space to combine these two into one. That'd make it so much more efficient use of these expansion.
Exactly what my thought was before I remembered that plugging more than one device into one USB port requires additional chip that will handle all signal routing between devices and PC... Which means that there's way more PCB design required in such tight space.
@@spakeschannel a solution, though a lot of work, might actually be to design the pcb itself. Someone is almost certainly gonna do that at some point
@@samuvisser
You just need a $10 USB7216C chip
@@spakeschannel Especially in his use case, he also needs advanced power routing.
@@tyaty I don't think the USB7216C supports full USB-C PD but I'm working on solutions. More to come.
I would really like to see a video on the E-GPU setup. That's exactly the use case I need to validate before I buy a Framework laptop.
This is the stuff I was dreaming of, when I heard that they publish the exact schematics of these modules. As soon as they add the EU-Iso layouts and post-Covid era demands more mobility again so I can justify the purchase nothing will stop me.
Awesome prototyping ! I love how open this system is. Framework might get in legal trouble if they sell a "magsafe" system, but if 3rd parties can make addons like this... That's awesome !
They don’t have to call it that lmao
I am fascinated by the Framework laptop and I actually found your channel because of your videos on the product. I would love to see you continue making videos about it. eGPU benchmarks and more DIY expansion cards would be awesome!
Awesome! I'd like the mag-safe to become practical and possible to be sold (with 60W+ ofc).
This has to be one of the most important videos for Framework's future: not only did you create your own mods, but possibly you've inspired many out there to do the same and experiment! Soooo awesome
If you ever print the PCBs that allow 100w MagSafe charging, I’d love one of them - or the design so I can have my own printed. :P
I am pretty sure MagSafe 2 is limited to 85W but i get your point, it would be super nice!
Edit: At least from a mechanical perspective I think this is actually possible.
Magsafe's coil is quite wide, you could use a smaller one, but power transfered would lower as well
@@riccardo1796 They meant the macbook version of magsafe, not the wireless one.
@@riccardo1796 the original magsafe not the iphone one
@@PhilfreezeCH Yes MagSafe 2 is 85W, the one magnetic power solution I'm using is 100W and smaller.
Great video! I'm glad you decided to film and post!
Amazing showing of how 'easy' it was to DIY and prototype these pieces, and that you used the laptop you were DIYing to design your parts on a beta release OS. Everything was great all around!
PS; I thought usb 2.0 could do 10W (2Amps) but I guess you learn something everyday.
PS2; It was funny seeing an electrical engineer excited to make some sparks and passing up on a tight soldering job :D
what would be really cool and useful is if you could combine them, somehow leaving enough room in the (magnetic power) enclosure to fit the mouse dongle, that way you still have three other slots on the laptop
This is awesome! Love to see this kind of testing! Now, a USB-C splitter would be nice. An extra port from the 4 max you can have would be great.
Honestly seeing a lot of great ideas for expansion options here, hoping in a couple years when I'm ready to grab a Framework laptop that at least some of these will be available, it'd make and already awesome laptop even better
Framework said they're working on it. You need a specific chip to make it work properly, and I think they might be having problems related to the silicon shortage.
That's so cool, the first Framework video I've seen that isn't about the laptop and instead about the _expansion_ card. Love me a MagSafe proof of concept.
I'm actually very interested in seeing you continue this. Especially for the magsafe power connection. Speaking of alternate expansion cards.... could you do one for a stealth-ed uSD card for security purposes?
yeaaaaaa% useful for airport!!!!!!!
Could be one with the SD slot from the top, so it's covered when plugged in.. It could still have USB port on the outside for extra stealth
@@uiopuiop3472 Could you explain to me why is it useful for airport as someone who never travelled?
This is so cool, I hope a great addon community builds around the framework laptop!
Since the time I discoveres Framework I waited for someone, to make their own expansion card and upload it to youtube.
Months of unfruitful search comes to an end now, thank you
nice, good to see people already having fun with the flexibility of this awesome new take on laptops, this is exactly the kind of stuff that will make this successful!
This is so sick! I've got a framework on order and I'm so excited. Great builds!
So many possibilities to explore with the Framework. So glad I just pre-ordered one!
Building is building. There's no doubt you're one of the first 100 if not first 10 to construct your own mod framework expansion cards. Hats off, pioneer!
I love how in the LTT video featuring this laptop Linus talked about someone doing exactly this mod, this is awesome!
You production quality and editing is much higher than your subsciber count shows - keep doing DIY stuff like this, I really enjoyed my first visit here. Subscribed :)
Tbis thing feels a lot like a fully powerful Raspberry Pi.
I love it.
Bless the YT algorithm. Thanks for extending the DIY sprit with your Framework laptop!
This is so good! Projects like this will make or break the Framework concept.
Really cool content, and great marketing for framework. I'm probably buying this as soon as they ship to Europe
That's a laptop how it should be! Expandable, repairable, customizable, and it works, I'm impressed Framework!!!
Love to see more of these expansion card projects and the creation of them
Thumbs way the heck up for this. If/when the Framework marketplace comes online, I would buy the final version of your ports. I got my i7 yesterday, and so far, I absolutely love it.
This is so cool. Never could have imagined something like this could be done before this laptop was made.
This is awesome, I was wondering how long it was gonna take before someone was gonna start making expansion cards and apparently it isn't that long. GREAT!!!
Every video I see of this thing makes me want it more and more
I got my Framework recently and I’ve been super impressed! I’d love to see more expansion project videos, even impractical ones. 😅
i ordered a framework a couple days ago. i have always wanted to get into electronics design and i hope i can use the framework to do that while having a great laptop
Deffo interested in more of these videos!
My guy this is awesome! I am definitely looking forward to any more content like this!
Those Ryobi tools in background reminds me to check up on Aging wheels to see what's new there 😁
I haven't watch the whole video yet but I respect the start so much I'm subscribing
If you are going to make more Framework concepts or test new things I would love to see it. I think what you did is pretty cool. Good luck on the finial version.
Awesome!! Please make more video updates on this!
i love seeing all the coverage that the framework laptop is getting lately, but I think this is by far one of the best I've seen. This, this is the world we could be living in if large companies got rid of their anti-consumer practices, where you can just design something for your laptop without having to reverse-engineer it first
Please continue this series.
man it is insane that framework just lets us do this kind of stuff. i love this
Would love to see more Expansion module videos like this one!
Stupid suggestions:
A fingerprint reader
A Zigbee radio for smart home control
RGB led module for "GAMING!"
Cup holder module with internal heater
NFC reader/writer
Headphone jack
Wireless charging (maybe stretching it a bit...)
The notebook already has a fingerprint reader and a headphone jack
I'd bet there is going to be some demand for a Serial port module down the road, lots of applications where hardware still use serial ports that would make this laptop a no-brainer upgrade
Glad came across your content uploads 🙏 got a new fan from Sydney 😉
Love it, CJ! Keep it up!
Okay I already wanted one of these Framwork laptops but now I know it's something I really want to get.
These videos are very cool, my next laptop will definitly be a framework once my current one wears out.
We need more of this!!!
The MagSafe expansion is a great idea, it shines the potential of the laptops form factor
Its so cool that you actually can do this.
Great video! Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Once my new framework arrives I'm definitely looking into doing similar projects
Great video on practical prototyping! Really enjoyed it.
This is so cool! Keep making these man!
this is awesome!!~ thanks for bringing this out.
This is so cool! Thanks for sharing :D Excited waiting for my Frame.work laptop!
Amazing work - very interesting! Hope this industry picks off and more consumer become aware of this. This platform is what should be 80%, and the all soldered should be 20% only!
Nice project, keep at it, wanna see your progress....
Really hope they add a cellular modem option/add-on.
Brilliant idea! That is awesome
Waiting for more videos on Framework!
I like how the modular system is inspiring people to modify,
I would definitely love to see you do a video on connecting your eGPU to the Framework Laptop! I have mine on order and currently scheduled for October release and that’s one of the first things I want to try setting it up to as soon as I get it (my Razer Core X with 5700 XT). I actually just SUBBED just so I can keep an eye out for that video in the future!
This video was awesome!
That was pretty cool! Got me subscribed
This is so exciting!
this is amazing, great work. framework definitely is what laptop should be .
Good content CJ, a good format i think
I would love another video like that! Subbed just for that :D
Thank you for the great video!
Consider this considerable interest
this was great, I like your style
Great framework videos. Earned a sub - and hope you do more framework stuff! I get mine on Wednesday.
Found your channel through this video. Pretty exciting to see what people do for the Framework laptop as I'd love one eventually. Love the magsafe idea, and RF module for mouse solves my biggest pet peeve about laptops : ya still need a dongle for the mouse if you somehow hate BT
looking forward for more expansion cards
Hey! Great work. It would be good to have an expansion module with a pushable knob/wheel for editing and modelling. Thinking further, maybe using both slots to get a bigger/firmer like control surface and adding an extra slot to extend the chain.
This was great!
I need more of this
Love this video!
Now this is the stuff I like!
Nice, this laptop is just dream that got real.
Your channel will take off if you can focus it towards your engineering and prototyping ability. "Maker" style channels exist, but if you can incorporate that effectively with the techtuber world you will have fulfilled a very nice niche. Best of luck!
"Magsafe" is a great idea. Since it's patented and the only way we can get it is with modifying a current laptop. And framework makes that easy
This channel is way under rated.
Instead of individual bits(or use this as an extension) you should try different kits that include a bunch of ports that are useful for different things like a charging station, one with like 2 or 3 video ouputs/USB 3 for gaming, or one for video ingestion so high speed thunderbolt ports and different SD card readers.
Wanna go from workstation to couch? Unhook everything in your laptop in one go, pop in a different dongle and go
Great inspiring video. Thank you
Great video. Ethernet port and also it would be interesting to see serial db9 port that goes to a Cisco Router. Yes modern day cables use a regular USB-A but it would be interesting to see it work.
Open source peripherals
Framework looks like it will have a bright future for enthusiast
I'd love to see a follow up video!
This is sooo freaking cool!
this is awesome!