2 days ago in valencia a huge fire destroy a building with 13 floors and 130 homes in less than 50 min. 10 deads. The buildind has not fire alarm, maybe with one will be 0 deads. I love your job keep doing it, you are saving lifes.
Love how you just say it like it is. I learn a lot from you and love the overall vibe. You are right about alarms, mostly no one cares. Aside from those of us that fix em, or collectors. Some collectors have wild wild setups
Very nice alarms! They seemed to be hated on when the announcement first came out, but I actually like them a lot. Maybe even a bit better than the original version. These LED styles look a lot more modern. It’s also interesting about having the panel set the strobe candela.
Nice video! To be honest, I acually do kinda like the design of the led strobes on these alarms. They are quite sleek looking. I just like the design of the xenon strobes more. Mainly comparing the wall mount ones. They look more sleeker IMO. But for what its worth, they are still really nice. And I do like how they look just like a xenon strobe when they flash. (Totally referring to the wheelock LED exceeder)
These are nice alarms. And I think my district will install these in a new addition to an elementary school. My district is either System Sensor or Ests.
These devices are pretty awesome, actually! Now at first I didn't really like the look of the wall mount version. But with everything that I saw on this video today. They are pretty cool!
Not as bad as I thought, although I’m still not a fan of the wall mount looks. An alarm I recommend you should get is the Mircom FHS-400 i’d like to see your perspective and opinion on them, they are LED strobe alarms and they’re super good imo
With the ceiling strobe, maybe if you somehow can find an extra spot for it, I would love for you to have it on the system. Personally, I like the ceiling mounts better because not only do they look cooler but they are more efficient in terms of wall space.
I foresee that in the more distant future that a device that can support amber/white/blue LED strobe in one device will be a thing, as well as having the audio components support both low frequency, 3k, and some kind of standard 1k tone in various different patterns. Possibly a compact speaker strobe or something. Also, albeit not common now, I can see that addressable and intelligent NA will become a future reality (which could be useful for pinning down a troubled device instead of hunting a device down in a sea of devices within a given circuit). I am curious to see what the future holds but I can say that these devices will become more simpler to deal/manage/maintain with than before.
Personally I prefer the design of the old L-series strobe, I think it would have looked better if they kept the strobe lens and just put an led in it like some other led strobes
The whole device is thicker that would likely decrease strobe output this now allows for 360° of strobe coverage the device is superior over the xenon strobe it replaces you have to remember fire alarms are a safety product that is what's important not the aesthetic look
Nice video. What you said about enthusiasts hating on the design is quite true. When Wheelock first released the Eluxa, I hated on it but don’t mind it now. I originally thought these were gonna have something similar to Wheelock’s solution, having a separate selection for T3 and T3/T4 with T3/T4 being chosen via muted/unmuted sync signal. However, now I think given the FCP setting, that Honeywell will release some sort of wired addressable mounting base (and update SWIFT bases) that will send the T3/T4 and candela information to the alarm. Although, I do wonder what would happen if you powered the alarm using a silenced sync signal. My guess is it will only flash, but who knows?
Yes something definitely will be released I did try these on sync mute/audible silence in this video if that's what you mean and they do perform the same as previous models
People didn't like the xenon L-series when they first came out either. The problem is people seem to forget that these are a life safety device their primary function is to be effective at signalling a fire alarm. Being aesthetically pleasing is not a priority and functionally these offer much more than what they are replacing. As far as I'm concerned that is the main reason for in my opinion good redesign.
@@nics-systems-electric ^^^ People hated on the wheelock exceder, the new LED Eluxas, the new LED Edwards horn strobes, and basically anything new that comes out. It’s even funnier when meatheads say they’d install a device that’s been discontinued for decades because “they’re better”
Yeah, I see what you’re saying about the System Sensor LED L-Series, I don’t like them because the strobes flash pretty short like the other fire alarm strobe does and they could be loud. Instead of saying the LED L-Series, I would only say the LED Series. But I see that they replaced them and it looks cool though. So I like the L-Series better just like I had one.
I've never seen a problem with a non-voice assisted evacuation if people want to ignore it that is their choice and they can ignore both I don't know how you could hear something and not understand that it's an alarm to evacuate though. If it is a custom message with specific instructions that are non-typical for a specific building then that's different.
@@nics-systems-electricI’ve only noticed that once when the continuous bells were replaced with horn strobes at my school. The teacher had to tell the students to evacuate.
I can't believe people judge something like a fire alarm by its looks. It's not meant to look beautiful it's meant to alert your and get your butt out of the burning building.
Yeah, that is something that people should know is that it’s not meant for us to collect. It’s meant to be installed in buildings to alert people that there’s a fire, but we should be thankful that were able to collect fire alarms as a hobby.
I don’t think these devices look bad at all. Sure they may look a little odd, but that makes them a little bit unique (especially for being modern devices). The LED strobe lens looks kinda cool in my opinion. And yes us Americans do need voice instructions on how to evacuate, considering we’re dumber than a rock lol
Me too as voice evac is not common in my area which shocked, me when I found out there were L-series speaker strobes. They are the first L-series speakers I have ever seen in person.@@nics-systems-electric
Nick the other school I went to had no pull stations no sprinkler heads. It only has smoke and heat detectors and our. Nac was system sensor, ceiling mount low frequency, sound
Are there any specific scenarios or environments where these new LED devices would be particularly advantageous compared to older models, aside from the general benefits you've mentioned?
As someone in the industry, what would you say is the reason why most installers go with system sensor in just about every new installation? Is there something they have that other brands don’t? Just something I’m curious about.
I think they have a pretty wide compatibility range easy to install and many distributors carry them they might have a lower cost compared to Wheelock and Gentex who are the competition
Nic, we installed MS10UD last October and I noticed that the piezo trouble sounder doesn't work. Reached out to Notifier/ Honeywell told me that its faulty and under warranty but they told me to coordinate with local supplier when I did that . The supplier wants me to return it and they will give me credit . How will I do that if the panel is already installed . Buy another panel? lol . Anyway is this something that is fixable or we can mickey mouse thingy?
great video nic! i can't wait to see other companies make LED versions also. QUESTION: when will the next durability test video be? Also, are you going to replace the alarms in your house with LED ones?
Not sure if there will be any more durability testing videos and no I would not replace my house that would be a huge waste for no reason would be thousands of dollars
Fun Fact: Many new LED L-Series devices were made in September of 2023 because of the date code saying something like: "3095" the date numbers of the date code are as followed: First digit: The number of the year of it's last digit Second and third digit: The numbers of the current month Fourth digit: The number of the week of the month
Maybe You Can Install The Ceiling Mount LED Horn Strobe On The Ceiling In Your House And Add It To Your House Fire Alarm System In The Kitchen Area Because Your Kitchen In Your House Probably Needs The Ceiling Mount LED Horn Strobe Because Kitchen Is The Most Prone Area Of Grease Fires Oven Fires Or Any Kitchen Related Fire
The house uses low frequency sounders so can't have mixed signals. A horn strobe in the kitchen would not offer any greater protection it will not do anything for detecting a fire no matter what type
If the horns can do both temp 3 and temp 4 with panel control an idea is a normal horn strobe with a amber strobe next to it that would go off when a co alarm went off and the normal strobe when a fire alarm goes off.
People don't realize that the design is not everything especially appearance for a life safety device. Many don't seem to be educated enough to understand there is more to it than the appearance.
Also they sound the same as the xenon L - Series. Which they're using the same horn tone which is no surprise. But honestly there is some room for improvement for System Sensor to update the LED L - Series, just like Wheelock did with the LED Exceders.
Yes I pointed that out in the video that this video was recorded at 30 FPS which usually you need at least 60 FPS to reliability capture fire alarm strobes and it is still unreliable
@@nics-systems-electric You could replace the L series Xenon in your garage system with an LED one for demonstration purposes, or when the outdoor models become available replace your outdoor SRK Advances with these.
I wish they would come out with an LED mass horn/strobe. I have tons of System Sensor masses still in use with mass horn being coded to code 3 or temporal. Why don't System Sensor come out with an LED mass?
Their MA/SS devices are long discontinued and won’t be brought back as there’s isn’t much of a point of having multi tones for a fire alarm that only has 1 input, and Federal Signal rebrands Fulleon Roshni and Flashni sounders for when multi tone is needed
But still! It would have been awesome as all get out! Or at least it would have been interesting nonetheless to see what the System Sensor mass would have looked like in an LED version. I would imagine that the strobe would be ultra flat against the body of the mass horn and low profile and barely visible on the horn body. Do they have a 4 wire LED horn/strobe?
@@djbryce they are definitely very similar the strobe is centred in the ceiling device however not on the wall so that may be a difference but it's hard to tell until I open them up
I wasn't a huge fan of the design at first myself however seeing them in person they are fine in fact the ceiling mount one looks better than the older generation. If you like them or don't like them we will be seeing them all over as they will replace previous generations. functionally it is a much better product which is the main concern.
@@maiyo8518 you must be basing it purely off of looks as it is functionally a better device there is no argument there however visual appearance is a opinion that each can form
I like that they brought back the wall-ceiling compatibility from the Advance series.
Me too
@@nics-systems-electric I’ve never seen squarish fire alarms with circular or semicircle or half-circle or half-globe strobe lenses.
@@nics-systems-electricis the remote horn models still being made
@@NewEnglandAviaton987 Yes Anything without a strobe is the same.
2 days ago in valencia a huge fire destroy a building with 13 floors and 130 homes in less than 50 min. 10 deads. The buildind has not fire alarm, maybe with one will be 0 deads. I love your job keep doing it, you are saving lifes.
I dont think english was your firs language
Now that I think about it, I think I’ll buy these for my system tests. They look pretty nice 😀. But it’s sad when they discontinued the xenon version
yeah it sucks when xenon are discontinued but what if led are still addressable instead of conventional?
I like your realistic and real world approach to this video providing clear and useful information. great job.
Love how you just say it like it is. I learn a lot from you and love the overall vibe.
You are right about alarms, mostly no one cares. Aside from those of us that fix em, or collectors.
Some collectors have wild wild setups
Very nice alarms! They seemed to be hated on when the announcement first came out, but I actually like them a lot. Maybe even a bit better than the original version. These LED styles look a lot more modern. It’s also interesting about having the panel set the strobe candela.
Nice video! To be honest, I acually do kinda like the design of the led strobes on these alarms. They are quite sleek looking. I just like the design of the xenon strobes more. Mainly comparing the wall mount ones. They look more sleeker IMO. But for what its worth, they are still really nice. And I do like how they look just like a xenon strobe when they flash. (Totally referring to the wheelock LED exceeder)
Probably going to go for the ceiling devices. Those look the best.
These are nice alarms. And I think my district will install these in a new addition to an elementary school. My district is either System Sensor or Ests.
And yes please do a full on comparison with those 2 alarms.
I love the sound of both of them. They are 👍👍💯😃
These devices are pretty awesome, actually! Now at first I didn't really like the look of the wall mount version. But with everything that I saw on this video today. They are pretty cool!
Not as bad as I thought, although I’m still not a fan of the wall mount looks.
An alarm I recommend you should get is the Mircom FHS-400 i’d like to see your perspective and opinion on them, they are LED strobe alarms and they’re super good imo
With the ceiling strobe, maybe if you somehow can find an extra spot for it, I would love for you to have it on the system. Personally, I like the ceiling mounts better because not only do they look cooler but they are more efficient in terms of wall space.
These Guys are Replacing Old Simplex Mechanical Horns, Truealert Remote Strobes and 4903s at my High School.
25:46 wow that's so bright
Nice New Fire Alarm LED Strobes Video
I love your fire alarm set up
Nice video nic. A tear down wold be fun (Sorry but im bad at enghlis im from sweden)
Not really surprised, I like when I saw the Fresh Look of LED Strobe Flashing.
Those are actually really cool! I kinda love it!
18:50 Apparently the ES series panels from Fire Lite can support that capability.
I foresee that in the more distant future that a device that can support amber/white/blue LED strobe in one device will be a thing, as well as having the audio components support both low frequency, 3k, and some kind of standard 1k tone in various different patterns. Possibly a compact speaker strobe or something. Also, albeit not common now, I can see that addressable and intelligent NA will become a future reality (which could be useful for pinning down a troubled device instead of hunting a device down in a sea of devices within a given circuit). I am curious to see what the future holds but I can say that these devices will become more simpler to deal/manage/maintain with than before.
Nice 😍 Love the look of them 😊
I love your videos Nick Keep going!
Personally I prefer the design of the old L-series strobe, I think it would have looked better if they kept the strobe lens and just put an led in it like some other led strobes
The whole device is thicker that would likely decrease strobe output this now allows for 360° of strobe coverage the device is superior over the xenon strobe it replaces you have to remember fire alarms are a safety product that is what's important not the aesthetic look
Nice video. What you said about enthusiasts hating on the design is quite true. When Wheelock first released the Eluxa, I hated on it but don’t mind it now.
I originally thought these were gonna have something similar to Wheelock’s solution, having a separate selection for T3 and T3/T4 with T3/T4 being chosen via muted/unmuted sync signal. However, now I think given the FCP setting, that Honeywell will release some sort of wired addressable mounting base (and update SWIFT bases) that will send the T3/T4 and candela information to the alarm.
Although, I do wonder what would happen if you powered the alarm using a silenced sync signal. My guess is it will only flash, but who knows?
Yes something definitely will be released I did try these on sync mute/audible silence in this video if that's what you mean and they do perform the same as previous models
@@nics-systems-electricI meant on initial power-up, not silencing after already receiving a horn signal
I definitely like them. Everyone always hates on the new devices but they objectively look good and are a superior device
People didn't like the xenon L-series when they first came out either. The problem is people seem to forget that these are a life safety device their primary function is to be effective at signalling a fire alarm. Being aesthetically pleasing is not a priority and functionally these offer much more than what they are replacing. As far as I'm concerned that is the main reason for in my opinion good redesign.
@@nics-systems-electric ^^^ People hated on the wheelock exceder, the new LED Eluxas, the new LED Edwards horn strobes, and basically anything new that comes out. It’s even funnier when meatheads say they’d install a device that’s been discontinued for decades because “they’re better”
Even though I do prefer the regular xenon L series, but the LEDs are awesome
It looks nice
It's really cool. Maybe you could put these LED Strobe on your system.
In theory I could yes I have two different systems that are all Zenon strobes however
Yeah, I see what you’re saying about the System Sensor LED L-Series, I don’t like them because the strobes flash pretty short like the other fire alarm strobe does and they could be loud.
Instead of saying the LED L-Series, I would only say the LED Series. But I see that they replaced them and it looks cool though.
So I like the L-Series better just like I had one.
The wall mount looks weird but I love the ceiling mount
Nic just called Americans dumb for needing directions to evacuate. I fully agree. Here in Canada we just know what to do in a fire.
I've never seen a problem with a non-voice assisted evacuation if people want to ignore it that is their choice and they can ignore both I don't know how you could hear something and not understand that it's an alarm to evacuate though. If it is a custom message with specific instructions that are non-typical for a specific building then that's different.
@@nics-systems-electricI’ve only noticed that once when the continuous bells were replaced with horn strobes at my school. The teacher had to tell the students to evacuate.
They look nice though I think
I can't believe people judge something like a fire alarm by its looks. It's not meant to look beautiful it's meant to alert your and get your butt out of the burning building.
Yeah, that is something that people should know is that it’s not meant for us to collect. It’s meant to be installed in buildings to alert people that there’s a fire, but we should be thankful that were able to collect fire alarms as a hobby.
Yeah pretty much
I am the biggest fan I love your vids❤
I don’t think these devices look bad at all. Sure they may look a little odd, but that makes them a little bit unique (especially for being modern devices). The LED strobe lens looks kinda cool in my opinion. And yes us Americans do need voice instructions on how to evacuate, considering we’re dumber than a rock lol
Wow! My high school just so happens to have a system replacement with l-series speaker strobes
Surprised they are able to get speaker strobes already
Me too as voice evac is not common in my area which shocked, me when I found out there were L-series speaker strobes. They are the first L-series speakers I have ever seen in person.@@nics-systems-electric
Mine got white l series ceiling mount speaker strobes last year and completely removed all pull stations
Nick the other school I went to had no pull stations no sprinkler heads. It only has smoke and heat detectors and our. Nac was system sensor, ceiling mount low frequency, sound
O.o system sensor is in my neck of the woods ha... never knew that!
Are there any specific scenarios or environments where these new LED devices would be particularly advantageous compared to older models, aside from the general benefits you've mentioned?
It is weird that the effects of reverse polarity are not discussed
I agree
Are the test points on the new units marked + or - ?
This may be one of the most controversial fire alarms of all time lmao
I don't know why it's just a new generation of the previous device very similar
As someone in the industry, what would you say is the reason why most installers go with system sensor in just about every new installation? Is there something they have that other brands don’t? Just something I’m curious about.
I think they have a pretty wide compatibility range easy to install and many distributors carry them they might have a lower cost compared to Wheelock and Gentex who are the competition
Nic, we installed MS10UD last October and I noticed that the piezo trouble sounder doesn't work. Reached out to Notifier/ Honeywell told me that its faulty and under warranty but they told me to coordinate with local supplier when I did that . The supplier wants me to return it and they will give me credit . How will I do that if the panel is already installed . Buy another panel? lol . Anyway is this something that is fixable or we can mickey mouse thingy?
I'm not sure how that would work
Nick, are you gonna put one of those LED horn strobes on the garage fire alarm system
No idea
@stampynate007 not sure
great video nic! i can't wait to see other companies make LED versions also. QUESTION: when will the next durability test video be? Also, are you going to replace the alarms in your house with LED ones?
Not sure if there will be any more durability testing videos and no I would not replace my house that would be a huge waste for no reason would be thousands of dollars
@@nics-systems-electric why no more durability tests? that makes sense, the current ones work just fine.
@@wibwabz they cost time and money and not many people watch them and haven't been spending much time with others to be able to make them
@@nics-systems-electric ahh, makes sense.
Cool
My school has a l series out side for sprinklers system do you have a wired cctv system
Which isn't actually legal. And yes I do have a wired camera system
Are you going to do a video about that
@@AAron-cu9qu yes i did
Nice
My starbucks has the celling mount one
Nic 😊, could you put the Led system sensor cealling strobe/ horn on your ressessed cealling?
What's a recessed ceiling?
@@nics-systems-electricwild guess, but maybe he means the drop ceiling?
Yes the dropped cealing😊 @@nics-systems-electric
Yes the dropped cealliing😊
@@The_FireAlarmGuy no, there is no box there
Cool
They are cool leds
My opinion is the xenon looks better but these look fine.
9:30 I see a new camera above your head!
Yes
Fun Fact: Many new LED L-Series devices were made in September of 2023 because of the date code saying something like: "3095" the date numbers of the date code are as followed:
First digit: The number of the year of it's last digit
Second and third digit: The numbers of the current month
Fourth digit: The number of the week of the month
Maybe You Can Install The Ceiling Mount LED Horn Strobe On The Ceiling In Your House And Add It To Your House Fire Alarm System In The Kitchen Area Because Your Kitchen In Your House Probably Needs The Ceiling Mount LED Horn Strobe Because Kitchen Is The Most Prone Area Of Grease Fires Oven Fires Or Any Kitchen Related Fire
The house uses low frequency sounders so can't have mixed signals. A horn strobe in the kitchen would not offer any greater protection it will not do anything for detecting a fire no matter what type
I think this will be installed in one of your school districts that will replace the old systems in the future
It depends many of our upcoming projects already have the devices but eventually they will be installed I will not be around for that though
If the horns can do both temp 3 and temp 4 with panel control an idea is a normal horn strobe with a amber strobe next to it that would go off when a co alarm went off and the normal strobe when a fire alarm goes off.
*CO, CO₂ is the gas you breathe out
O crap I’ll Chang it thanks for saying that
These are kind of cool, actually. Kind of sucks that people don't like the design of these.
People don't realize that the design is not everything especially appearance for a life safety device. Many don't seem to be educated enough to understand there is more to it than the appearance.
Also they sound the same as the xenon L - Series. Which they're using the same horn tone which is no surprise. But honestly there is some room for improvement for System Sensor to update the LED L - Series, just like Wheelock did with the LED Exceders.
What would you suggest to be updated? I don't see the horn tone being a problem.
@@nics-systems-electric The strobe flash could be more like and act like a xenon flash. Like the Wheelock Exceder LED3...
@@EYL8902 that is what it does.
@@nics-systems-electric Fair enough. I might get one too. lmao
They are cool
Damn so cool.
I'd say one difference is the strobe shows up on camera
Yes I pointed that out in the video that this video was recorded at 30 FPS which usually you need at least 60 FPS to reliability capture fire alarm strobes and it is still unreliable
this is offtopic but whats yo opinion on wheelock's alarms
They are alright though they seem a little cheap especially that low frequency sounder sounds like crap but I guess it gets the job done
You’re installing these as some point right?
I don't really have any need to
@@nics-systems-electric You could replace the L series Xenon in your garage system with an LED one for demonstration purposes, or when the outdoor models become available replace your outdoor SRK Advances with these.
I wish they would come out with an LED mass horn/strobe. I have tons of System Sensor masses still in use with mass horn being coded to code 3 or temporal. Why don't System Sensor come out with an LED mass?
Their MA/SS devices are long discontinued and won’t be brought back as there’s isn’t much of a point of having multi tones for a fire alarm that only has 1 input, and Federal Signal rebrands Fulleon Roshni and Flashni sounders for when multi tone is needed
And I don't think any way to synchronize with modern devices
But still! It would have been awesome as all get out! Or at least it would have been interesting nonetheless to see what the System Sensor mass would have looked like in an LED version. I would imagine that the strobe would be ultra flat against the body of the mass horn and low profile and barely visible on the horn body. Do they have a 4 wire LED horn/strobe?
How do you figure out how many fire alarms you can put on one circuit.
You do load calculations
Do you think they will make one that has Voice Evac capabilities?
Yes as I said horn versions are coming out first and chimes and low frequency sounders speaker strobes will be released in early 2024
@@nics-systems-electric Ok, I must have missed that. Sounds like these will be much more reliable!
cool 😎 🆒
That panel is 'snappy' because it dose a lot less so the processor isn't running as much stuff
I don't know though as a addressable panel without any devices programmed is doing about the same amount if not less as it's not looking for anything
How expensive are them on Amazon?
Not sure if they are available
I have 2 led L series. One is a horn strobe and the other is a remote strobe they’re both wall mount in red
🤡
@@groundingjimmy06 how do you know what videos I’m commenting on!?
@@groundingjimmy06 how about you go get a job instead of making yourself look worse.
@@Jimmy06blue bro said he was gonna ignore the haters 💀💀💀
It’s the truth nobody cares about what alarms you have stop flexing them
I'm no expert, but aren't they basically the exact same alarms with just different covers?
Same horn and mounting base different strobe and different electronics inside to support future protocols for synchronization
@@nics-systems-electric Sorry, I was unclear. I meant the two new units. Aren't they just the same with different covers?
@@djbryce they are definitely very similar the strobe is centred in the ceiling device however not on the wall so that may be a difference but it's hard to tell until I open them up
You changed your security camera
I have the previous generasion
13 like!
Can i have?
You can buy them from wholesalers and eBay
@@nics-systems-electric no eBay in 🇵🇭
@@Comens1997 have to find a wholesaler then
I do have on notifier
They do look kinda weird
Some people do find them strange I found them strange at first before seeing them in person
Babe wake up, Nics systems and electric posted
Those look so weird.
The wall mount definitely looks much different I find the ceiling mount looks better than the old xenon version
22:04 *cough* wheelock *cough*
Yep lol
where do you buy your system sensor products.
eBay
I feel like people are going to use these nowadays
Well yes they will have to the old product version is discontinued
@@nics-systems-electric Yeah I guess it’s depends if someone has a old device then they can just get replaced
@@nics-systems-electricWait so the P2s and P2Ls are discontinued?
@@CGray1234 yes
@@nics-systems-electricaw that’s a shame… I really like those alarms. Probably plenty on eBay tho lol
They are so crappy
Did you watch my review? Because they are actually a much better device than the product they replace.
I don’t like it, it makes me throw up. I HATE IT 😠
I wasn't a huge fan of the design at first myself however seeing them in person they are fine in fact the ceiling mount one looks better than the older generation. If you like them or don't like them we will be seeing them all over as they will replace previous generations. functionally it is a much better product which is the main concern.
@@nics-systems-electric I like the old fire alarm’s better than the very new ones
@@maiyo8518 you must be basing it purely off of looks as it is functionally a better device there is no argument there however visual appearance is a opinion that each can form
@@maiyo8518did... did you even watch the video? these alarms are wayyy better than the older ones