[2:00] Jordan asks Iain to outline his concept of attention that he outlines in his forthcoming book The Matter of Things [14:30] Creating the world through attention. Examining studies done to understand what we would miss without the right hemisphere of our brain. Contrasting the known differences of the two brain hemispheres [24:00] Discussion of the function of categories and the distinction we make that pull things out of those categories [33:30] What holes, in reality, are your values or belief structures filling in enabling you to function in the world. looking at the importance of looking at things as a whole instead of a part of the whole. [36:30] Iain talks about paradoxes in the lens of his new book and examines them. Iain denotes the importance of understanding the significance of the left or right hemisphere when looking at ideas, structures, or projects that have contributed to society. [43:08] Jordan creates an analogy of tiers of resolution when we are living our lives and performing tasks. McGilchrist outlines his analogy of task attention the two hemispheres as a stage with a spotlight, the highlighted portion is the action of the left hemisphere while the whole stage is the collective consciousness of the right hemisphere. [54:50] Important schools of thought that improve culture, Science, Reason, Intuition, and Imagination. Unpacking the idea of ontological primaries related to consciousness [1:05:35] Iain recounts the public reaction to The Master and His Emissary [1:07:30] Iain and Jordan debate about the nature of implicit values and the idea of God, or what we use the word God to describe [1:15:00] The failing of the left hemisphere vision of the world according to McGilchrist [1:20:00] debating the value of industrial rationalists that ignore the co-creation relationship of the divine [1:23:30] Iain's drive to write his books, the disconnect he sees with the rational, scientific construction of society leading to more unhappy people as society "improves" Iain's three things all humans need to be happy are to feel socially connected, being in the presence of nature, and being part of a religious community. [1:29:30] Discussing the need for science to be embedded in a larger value structure and not simply rational and removed from right brain thinking [1:34:30] revisiting the co-creation idea of the cosmos, Iain relates his closing argument that science needs to bring back imagination and intuition as important aspects of exploration beyond the strictly rational.
Three Years ago I was hooked on Klonopin. My life was horrible. Fat, slow, depressed, and living with parents at 27. I listened to your talk on Joe Rogan everyday for weeks then your other work. I tapered myself off 6mg Klonopin a day and it took six months. Got in shape and saved enough money to move out and began to voluntarily except responsibility. I have been independent since and have now moved my Mother out of her old trailer home to a new apartment. I can't believe in just three years, how I was the loser in my family to now be the leader. Its unbelievable. You are in an elite club of people who know the pure utter hell that Klonopin withdraw is. Nobody can possibly understand unless they go through it. And there is no help unless you help yourself. Quitting Klonopin gave me a superpower. Now I am not afraid of anything. Thank you Doctor Peterson.
@rob91011 jp also never abused benzos, he took what was prescribed or less. It wasn't a dependency, it was the prescribed drugs causing the opposite of the expected result. Go learn something.
@rob91011 Here is your logic: Because we can have personal responsability and are able to help ourselves means that we can not accept help from others otherwise we are frauds. Such a hostile and rigid thought man. What are you aiming at?
As much as I love this idea, I think it's a struggle to do with how the audio seems to be set up. Doubt it makes it impossible but it might be trickier than first imagined.
@@jonahwelch6766 if they are editing in premier pro the hard work is already done with audio switching they just need to reside video or crop them - hopefully they have and editor that can do this 🦞🦞
Public Institutions of "School" are just propaganda training sites. Good thing you weren't paying attention lol. You must have an astute mind to pick up on this as being far more important to give your attention to. You are blessed with discernment?
@@logoimotions for a long time I thought my prime was way past but I’m working and putting more effort than ever to prove you right! Thankyou for the kind message
I’m 50 now, quit school after 10th grade in 1984 (funny how that year came full circle in life)age 16. I couldn’t stand the system. I wasn’t and still am not dumb or lazy, just bored of their BS, even then. I didn’t earn top dollars but also didn’t do too shabby..I survived. I’ve learned more from yt and the net than I would’ve in school. Well, at least I learned the truths they want hidden. No regrets.
Dr Peterson, Recently, I listened to your podcast with you and Tom. Towards the end, you became emotional and said you felt unworthy and ashamed. Jordan, you don't have to be perfect. The world needs you with all your imperfections. You have drastically changed my outlook on life. I owe you a great amount of debt. Thank you very much for your consistent uploads. I wish you and your family the best❤
I studied engineering before I studied medicine and the difference in the spirit of inquiry was enormous- as an engineering undergrad everything was being discovered and was possible- as a medical student at a more prestigious school everything was known and meaningful inquiry was dead- that endarkenment of society- particularly in higher learning is so very real
That's interesting. If everything in the medical profession is entirely understood, how come there's no cure for the common cold, let alone something like HIV, not to mention schizophrenia or even blindness or paralysis? Sounds like you really were going to a "prestigious" med school instead of a good one!
I'm listening to this conversation again and again trying to grasp all of the great ideas in it. Thank you, dr. Peterson and dr. McGilchrist for this great podcast.
Yes. Also Tom Holland, and perhaps James Lindsay. Add them all together, and things become very clear. The source of the evil is Marxism, and the solution is Christianity. As it was, so it is again.
McGilcrhist might be the only person that really gives Peterson a run for his money. I love it when they talk. I could watch this all day. Taking thorough notes.
They're good. There is an old interview of Joseph Campbell, called "The Power of Myth. I think Joseph Campbell is the most interesting person to listen to. Since he died the Dalai Lama, is the wisest man alive.
@@Chickiwi I'm saying he gave him a run for his money as a conversation partner. SO often JP doesn't necessarily have an intellectual challenge or enlightenment from someone who is as knowledgable or more so about some of these topics. This is usually his domain, but when McGilchrist sits down to talk, you know they're both going to push each other in how far they can take some of these ideas.
It’s so rare to find people who relate with these interests! Most of my friends would rather talk about Instagram or video games rather than anything meaningful.
I loved their first conversation, which I have watched several times. There is so much interesting material in it and the flow of ideas between JBP and IM is itself fascinating to watch, two great minds at work.
If you're interested in hearing another really good one with Iain McGilchrist -- my interview with him is called Models and Reality on the Jax Pax Channel
Thanks to you both for a most useful and beautiful conversation. "It is not your duty to finish the work, but neither are you at liberty to neglect it..." Pirkei Avot 2։16
If you're interested in hearing another really good one with Iain McGilchrist -- my interview with him is called Models and Reality on the Jax Pax Channel
I have two things I'd like to mention; One is that I had a brain injury years ago that was missed. It was before they really knew about the specific issues with multiple concussions back to back or in recent succession. So it took 8 years before it was found, via a Neurologist, that I had 70% reduction in short term memory (sorry that's the only way I can describe it). I had insomnia for years after the injuries (which occured within 6 weeks of eachother) and could not run more than 3 strides before literally running into the ground on my face. I was able to teach myself to run again by mentally concentrating on lifting my knees higher. I ran weirdly for about a year before it started to feel natural again. I was highly motivated to get back to normal because my work was very high stress and I needed to be able to do my job without putting myself or others at risk of injury or death. So it was very motivating. I had to drive in my work vehicle and I found I would get behind the wheel and start to literally pass out. My family doctor suggested it was the insomnia and gave my some relaxation exercises to do, which were already known to me and I had tried them already. I was under so much pressure at work from my superiors to figure this out, I asked my doctor if the reason could be due to the recent concussions. She asked me when they had occurred and I stated that it had been 4- 6 weeks now and she was quite reassuring that there was no way they were related. I simply shrugged my shoulders and walked out of the office. I continued to struggle at work because I found I could not complete my reports. I was confused as to why suddenly I could not remember how to , it seemed. But due to the pressures of work, I pressed on. I was constantly in trouble at work for my reports not being completed on time and when they were reviewed, my supervisors were baffled because the reports were basically done, with only one more task to do on them! The Neurologist that tested me suggested that the reason why I was able to recover as well as I did without professional help, was due to how motivated I was to push through and push myself. It wasn't until about 6-7 years after the injuries that I started having such trouble remembering names of people, places, things and procedures. I was even having trouble with new faces of people and because I was now working in a small town, it was getting more and more difficult to hide my deficits. Then I started having mini seizures. Because I lived alone, it became worrisome. Then I started forgetting the names of people in my office. So I went for more testing with a different Neurologist. He was simply not helpful and never did say what he thought was wrong. I explain all of this to give some context to the right and left hemisphere connection. My first injury was to the top right hemisphere and the second was to my temple location on my right hemisphere but there also would have been some concussion to the lower to mid left. On the MRI, I could clearly see the places where the brain had hit up against my inner skull. It was subtle by then of course, but the Neurologists had nothing to compare the image to, so they could not say what was an old injury or just natural formation. I am an artist now...I was an artist when I was younger too, but I struggled with a lack of imagination so went in a different direction. Now, I have a plethora of imagination! I am a fountain of imagination if I turn the tap on. It comes effortlessly and actually at such a rate it definitely can be overwhelming. Is this due to my injuries I wonder? Artists are here to help others see all that is before them. I share this and am open to discussion within limits of course because I hope that it can help someone one day. I have become much more open about my life and my "condition" after I was diagnosed? We can learn much from each other's experiences. We can learn from each other, but of course it is not easy to trust. But at face value, there must be some value here. ; ) Oh...and the second thing; Jesus is real ; ) and I'm not kidding about this and I'm dead serious and no, I did not imagine Him up. I know that this brings everything I shared before into serious question for some. i get it. But if you knew what I knew, you would do the same. Keep on searching until you find Him.
Dear Mr Peterson, I just want to say thanks. Your 4th series is free of charge to watch, and is still helping us to consider the fundamental things. I appreciate all your hard work.
@@DartNoobo I don't really see this as an assessment of everyday people. I think it's about his ability to give more people that opportunity. of course he's not a magician and isn't relevant or comprehensible to everyone.
@Gabe Hernandez I agree with you. I enjoy listening to Jordan Peterson’s perspectives using his high functioning intellect to interpret complex topics in a more understandable logic for a majority of people. I laughed when he once spoke of reading a book so complex he took 6 months to read it. My personal perception was that the book had no logical progression/sequence & he lost interest but was tenacious in reading the entire book.😂 I related to that as I was asked to read a book written about Micky Mantle to explain it to a baseball enthusiast. I enjoy biographies, but this was one of the most “scatter-brained” written compilations of statistics & verbal crap I had read in quite a while. SMH! I would love to meet JP.
I think Peterson scrambles McGilchrist's key insights. I have read "The Master and his Emissary" twice and gained a huge amount out of it both times. Peterson showed me nothing I couldn't enjoy without him.
From the bottom of my heart - thank you Dr. Peterson. You may never fully know just how helpful and healing your work has been to all of us. The world is and will be, a much better and brighter place because of the great effort you’ve put into Being. God bless you and your family 🙏🏼
This is going to sound silly, but reading this comment put me in the brink of tears. I think it's because I know how much he values comments like this, BUT WHY AM I CRYING?!?
@@TOKRocK84 well put brother 👌🏼 Truly inspiring people don’t strive to gather followers, they strive to awaken the dormant inspiring qualities within all of us, so that we too can become truly inspiring people. Jordan Peterson is a great example of a truly inspiring person 🙂
It is a very rare thing to watch a dialog or talk that can open you up to so many insights in such a short time. This was incredible. Please bring him back again soon.
Mr Mcgilchrist seperates the brain and funtiòns of with very littĺe proof. Can we divide the universe because comparatively it would be a similar task! Thank yoi Dr Peterson and mr Mcgilchrist for the knowledge on this multi làyered conversation, I have taken much. I posted a much longèr comment with more expressiòn, it got lost somehow! Thank you both for all Laghlanⁿ.
YES! Absolutely, I have listened to this three times already (I might listen to it a few more times until it stops unpacking new knowledge) and I have a feeling that this ideas are going to be life changing for me.
Which is why I meditate with Sam Harris. I need, need, need more conversations between Jordan and Sam. Check out Iian's conversation with Sam, too. It was great. (This conversation between Jordan and Sam was so beautiful. Made me cry.)
8:20 two hemispheres is to give depth. One eye is all that’s needed to see but we have two for depth perception. One is still dominant but the two working together give exponentially improved interaction with the world around us.
Well Picasso is a hack who got lazy and complacent and was rewarded by an ignorant population. There are also fairly reliable speculations that his father created a large portion of his early body of work
That's not really true unless you think of knowledge merely as a body of dead facts (Einstein may be addressing this issue, and he may even consider knowledge to be just that). Either way, that is seriously incorrect if you take the typical and more classical understanding of knowledge, which actually includes imagination itself to some degree.
@@TheClassicWorld Personally when I was listening to Iain's monologue about the lack of resolution in words/communication I kept thinking about another Einstein quote: "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." While I definitely wholeheartedly agree with his point that a photograph or a description (in words) of a scenery could never convey the same awe as actually witnessing the scenery with one's own eyes could, I find THAT particular train of thought as an 'end point' a bit lacking. Take for example the fact that the human eye has a limited resolution as well.. or the fact that it's severely limited in the spectrum of electromagnetic radiation it can detect.. or the further limitation of our brain to be able to process and store said image... or, when taken the other way, how one's experience of a 'scenic' image might be enhanced and expanded by being accompanied with a fitting musical score. In a sense, While I completely agree that the left hemisphere is (and should be) subservient to the right, I do feel like he seems to undervalue abstraction, categorization and 'compression' of concepts. If we were all constantly amazed by every single strand of hair on our own bodies and how they differed from every other strand of hair we'd get literally nothing done at all.
@@ayporos if its true that the left is specialized in abstraction and logic, then having it subservient to imagination and other categorization makes one ungrounded and dreamy. I heard this in another's pov which I can agree on since I somehow able to shift the model or locus of attention through meditation and free association. During this one intense internal sublimation, I observe the picturisque aspect of the mind has more power than language and its in the right side of my brain because I can feel the 'activity' there. I know its weird to say this but I become acutely aware of these sensation of energies when I focus my awareness to certain parts of my body when I practiced meditation.
He is precisely hitting the "nerve" so to speak. Man, things are going so horribly mad these days, I think of it as compensation to balance things out at least a little. We need to choose to become good Persons, all collectively embark on the hero's journey to fortify this path. The world needs us!! Now is the time. Each of us matters, the impact is cascading in nature, let's all rise and tilt this world a bit more towards being like heaven rather than letting it slide down towards hell,. It is never futile! Not at all! We have responsibility! The solution of the problems of the world is the integrity of the individual. And that's exactly right! :)
I read The Master and his Emissary a few months ago and it completely blew me away. It addressed and explained pretty much everything I've ever felt was wrong with the modern world.
It's not often that you see Jordan listening for this length of time. I suspect that Iain is bringing him new pieces of the puzzle that Jordan is constantly building. That said, I think I also hear undertones of Iain's view of Jordan being too locked down into certainty...there is an interesting positive tension in this dialogue.
You put your finger on it! Exactly. JBP is trying to introduce Iain to the highest ideal who can be such without being controlling, but rather drawing, wooing, motivating to relationship through action towards the ideal. Iain is great, but he just doesn’t get what JBP is trying to say.
@@TheMeaningCode... exactly, and as much as I love Iain's work, and as much as I think it will further triangulate Jorden's argument, I see Jordan pulling back his comments and listening as strategy to seek to find the nuggets nestled in what I'm begining to suspect is Iain's preconceived notion of what God is. It strikes me as very ironic that although Ian conceives Jordan as being a bit too certain, he is getting trapped in his own certainty himself. Would give my next pay check to chat with Jordan about that one! LoL
@@TheMeaningCode oh, and I'll add...or rather clarify, that I think he isn't ready/willing to hear what Jordan is trying to articulate on that point. You can hear a frustration level that spikes at the point, and he shifts to a preconceived argument against the omni-god notion as a whole. Fascinating to watch them dialogue though. I begin to understand how Rome became so prominent.
If you're interested in hearing another really good one with Iain McGilchrist -- my interview with him is called Models and Reality on the Jax Pax Channel
Hey...Are there any JBP fans/followers out there who are competent singer-musicians particularly on acoustic guitar (or piano) ? Asking because I wrote a song recently based around Jordans 2 Rules for Life books and his philosophies etc, and Im hoping to find someone to cover it for me! He/She would ideally be a fan and be well versed on either acoustic guitar (preferably) or piano with a good singing voice. I am a songwriter myself but not really gifted with a voice or good technique on any particular instrument. I wrote the song on guitar but it would easily adapt to piano also. It has a folk/soft rock feel, but more importantly the lyrics espouse the values and teachings of Jordan of whom I have been a fan of for a few years now. I also believe that there is a growing and much needed space for his values and wisdom out in the big world...especially nowadays. If you are that musician or know of someone then I would be extremely grateful if you could make contact to further discuss! Below is the first half of the lyrics to give you the jist..... 'the voice inside' go clean up your room bring a swift antidote to disorder and gloom go pet on a cat take the time to enjoy simple pleasures like that be clear and precise don't be vague with your words lest there may be a price and don't sacrifice truth know the lies undermine you your conscience the proof and all of this speaks to a feeling inside in a place where our heroes and villains collide when searching for substance on a desolate road a pathway to meaning is choosing to carry the load ....solo.... don't do what you hate seek the things that inspire not the ones that deflate dream who you could be then pursue it with purpose persistence the key stand straight and ........ Thanks in advance!🤞
@Taylor C just a word play on my part. He interprets the scriptures very well (in my oppinion). That's why I called him a teacher (rabi). For me - he's like a prophets of old sent to humanity to tell them "clean up your room, or else..." :D
This conversation had me in tears. It's truly inspiring to hear views that resonate with my own experience and they are so few and far between these days...
Gem of a conversation. The way they clarify the concepts using their own words makes McGilchrist’s ideas much easier to understand, particularly the left , right hemisphere stuff
Jordan Peterson: Yeah I don't know about going on another book tour. Jordan Peterson: So I'm just going to do a few interviews on my podcast. Us: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Was thinking the same thing. Sherlock gets the big picture. His left brain is in constant contact with his right brain, unlike LeStrade and Scotland Yard
The left vs right brain bit was interesting and instructive. The comments on poverty, and the current age of endarkenment were dead on. I think while western society has succeeded in generating wealth it has failed in generating value and it has discarded the most meaningful parts of experience in its search for wealth- and I think on a deep level everybody feels it- and I think your publications do a great job helping people orient themselves and will prove invaluable and far reaching to the rising generations. Thanks again!
Lots of love from mozambique, I went all the way importing your book 12 rules for order because I couldn't find it in my country, Swaziland and South Africa, and it was worth every effort, I think I'm going to import the new book too
I've been drawn to The Master and His Emissary since I heard it mentioned on the radio years ago. I still haven't gotten to it, I'm so grateful that Dr. Peterson has given him this platform. Due to the popularity and audience of Peterson, many people now have the gift of learning about Ian McGilchrist's work. I love how Jordan Peterson draws him out to talk about the why's to his work and books. I find myself to be a big fan of McGilchrist's ideas and thinking after watching this. It's been said Truth has a beauty that helps you to know it when you see it, and this is what I find in McGilchrist's conversation. And central to this is the ancient idea that we cannot know everything and that is part of the wisdom and the knowing. Thank you gentlemen.
This is some deep level conversation right there. I first listened to it while doing some chores as I usually do with many podcasts, but there was a background noise that prevented me to hear some of the words (which normally would be ok to understand almost any other type of conversation) and now I am listening to it again to fully grasp everything said in it. I am certain that it is worth it.
For sure I need to rewatch this again. It's really good. I'm very grateful to have the chance to listen to this kind of podcasts. We all are. The gap is being filled with great content. Finally, my brain seems to get some superfoods. :D
I've been obsessed with the differences in the brain hemispheres lately!! Thank you for this Jordan. It's my birthday today and this is a fantastic present. Appreciate both you gentlemen greatly. Cheers
@@StrategicWealthLLC Thank you Bruce! This is the conclusion of my 34th trip around the sun. I was thinking this morning about how grateful I am for my family...I have two kids 6 and 18 months. And I thought if I could make it another 34 laps around the sun and I could guide and teach my kid's and watch them grow and mature then I would be forever grateful for this experience of being. Then I looked up in the sky and saw a rainbow ring around the sun...I have never seen one before but apparently they're called sun halos. I couldn't help but think that this was some kind of meaningful coincidence or a synchronistic event in Jungian terms. I was literally thinking about the years of my life being laps around the sun and how if this was the midway point I would be extremely lucky and in that exact moment I looked up to see a rainbow circle around the sun...almost as if the universe was acknowledging me and saying yes, I see you, happy birthday. I know that's probably not the case and sounds insane but the feeling that emerged from that experience felt divine. Idk what it means at all honestly...but I know that it meant something to me and I'm grateful that it happened. Cheers mate
This is an incredible conversation of two Titans of thought. I absolutely love Iain McGilchrist's work and his searching knowledge. Thank you Jordan for letting Iain talk fully about his erudite discoveries. Please do this again and again and again. Thank you
These conversations are always so fascinating, really glad to see Dr. Peterson healthy and admire the amount of work he's put into these recent podcasts all things considered. God bless you and your family
"Since life is short and the word is wide, the sooner you start exploring it the better. Soon enough the time will come when you are too tired to move further than the terrace of the best hotel. Go now" Simon Raven. This and this discourse reminded me of it.
I sense that there might be a little exception for introverts. Extroverts might automatically agree with that statement but what about people that doesn't necessarily need that?
TOTALLY AWESOME, mutual respectful, & incredibly thought provoking and encouraging dialogue between two intellectually dynamic and yet genuinely humanly grounded men on a search for truths! Thank you both!
As an IT professional the bit about the square and what people could remember is fascinating. It's the exact same way that information is stored on a computer. You have different levels of this storage space for data that we call "cache". The first type is used to store information that is frequently used, ie evaluating what is going on right now close to the central processing unit (CPU) to reduce the average cost (time or energy), to process things. Next we store data that you are currently working on with to retrieve things from the secondary cache (RAM). Think of this as information you hold in your head whilst solving complex problems, or knowing that you need to go look at the stove, or pay your bills today. Finally we have the equivilent of long term memory that resides on your harddrive. This would be memories, or remembering the lines of that movie you haven't seen in 5 years. I see the parallels here. And from a design perspective it design perspective, it makes sense. Not everything can occupy the space closest to the processing unit, so you need to prioritize and split things up like that. It would not surprise me one bit if the left hand side of the brain is has evolved in the same way - that it's faster to react and process data. If so then that would make sense for it to house the basic survival instincts and emotions, because in order to survive every millisecond counts in terms of reaction speed. It would also help with communication if emotions are also tied to it so you can see the emotional response to things and get that feedback right away. If my hypothesis is correct then the right hand brain is ever so slightly slower then the left side of the brain, but excels in working memory - that would probably light up if you are thinking about solving a complex problem let's say. If so, then just like on a computer it would make more sense in that case to have it structured in a way to better deal with logic, rules and problem solving. It would explain perfectly well the hypothesis put forward for why the left side of the brain only remembered the buildings on one side of the street. It's essentially L1, L2, L3 CPU cache that has a smaller capacity (if it was too large it would be at the cost of other parts of the brain being further away) to be as efficiant as possible, optimized to be super fast in processing what is going on right now.
I am a 29 year old high school drop out who couldn’t stay out of trouble in school. This video reminds me just how lucky I am to be living in a time when this type of education can be found for free online. These types of conversations would have been held for the highest in education despite the fact that most people can follow them to some degree.
Jordan probably appreciates it too, that he's having an even "match" in terms of discussion. Mikhaila said something in her podcast about how her husband originally didn't know how to force his ways into conversations with Jordan, before he realized that Jordan wasn't going to stay quiet and that he had to just force his way in if he wanted to say anything. It seems more fair this way, vs with other guests when Jordan later says he feels bad that the guest didn't get any words in.. can't say that about this one!
Definitely - there were quite a few times when I wanted to hear fully what Iain was trying to say but Jordan kept interrupting him which was irritating because I would loose track of what Iain was saying but equally what Jordan was saying was interesting too..... but as time went on, McGilchrist started to realise he needed to be firm to get his point across more strongly and then there was a more pleasing balance
I love Jordan Peterson he's made my life so much better, I've quit shooting Herion and Meth, I got 22 months clean. I love his talks I tell everyone about him. I've found purpose and meaning in life. It all started with listening to Jordan.Thank you JP you saved my life, and I'm on the right path now. :)
This was a serious, intense discussion today between Jordan Peterson and Iian McGilchrist. I love Heraclitus, "One cannot step in the same river twice." Thank you both with the deepest appreciation and respect for your expertise. However, in all the discussions I have see with Dr. Iian McGilchrist, books with all his many deep thinkers , I missed more of his laughter and giggles. Otherwise, I learned more.❤ Oh, it was nice to see Jordan Peterson crack a smile just now. Don't forget the dance between the the spheres. Cultures traveling for centuries 3500 hundreds of years ago, the Gilgamesh Epic, Socrates, Plato ,Aristotle so many. Philosophy, world histories, sciences, religious divisions and wars. Music, art, literature, poetry, languages mixing, and wine and opium traveling for centuries. Indigenous cultures traveling and they their ancient wisdoms. The Universe is the stories. A mind that learns that has not been damaged is always growing. Carl Yung's "The Redbook" Libra Novus that he wrote and thought it would never be published, but I am glad it was published after being hidden in a box in a bank vault, that the estate of Jung's allowed to be edited and with an Introduction Sanu Shamdasani. Goodnight sweet gentlemen. ❤
@@glynsmith60 FAIRLY certain you're talking about the feller..... hm, my point was gonna be that he's real popular, and now i can't think of his name,.... yeah-but-still(!) he's real popular, and the Music is Absolutely Wonder-full ...... i'm gonna think of the name 9 seconds after i post this....... so if this query was just an INCREDIBLY specific troll,... at least now, by not posting a link to ten-thousand hours of the guy's music (with Dr JBP on lyrics), i only look like half an ass instead of a whole ass..... yes i am slightly stoned, it's been a HELL of a day/week/year/life; get off my back, brah!!!!!!! ***EDIT*** oops wait,.... my eyes betrayed me, and i glossed over your description of the song, which sounds less like this very popular guy who's been on JBP's podcast whose name i STILL can't think of and i *REFUSE* to google this kind of thing anymore when my BRAIN should be doing the work! .... PS yes i am still a little stoned ... big whup!
Excellent conversation! Thank you Jordan! Dr McGilchrist brings up so many things I've been aware for so long that I almost fell of my chair when listening to them. As an engineer with 35 years experience, I started to take off in the profession after studying art. As a eminently right brained person, working in a left-brained environment was painful. Although we're trained to be practical people (I see the benefits of it), only a few of us are able to challenge the notion of a reality formulated in a certain way. Thinking outside the box is also part of that reality.
Alberto, I so resonated with you on this. I ran into the same thing and eventually left graduate school because of it. I had to-They we’re all wrong… like everyone. In the world. 😂 I thought they were doing it on purpose at first, we’re nefarious maybe, corrupt at the least, but it is just that I was different.
I read the entire The Master and his Emissary. It was long and dense and took a long time. It was also amazing. It's made sense of a lot of the things other people do, but also a lot of sense of how my own mind works. It's been an extremely influential book for me.
Jordan, I would like to tell you the same as thousands of people before me. Thank you! You really have a very positive effect on people, including me. I have been watching your videos, your lectures for several years, but I am too far away to even dream of seeing you live. But today, using a translator, at least I will write, suddenly you will see, although I hardly believe. Thank you for such a person as you.
It's such a treat to be able to have Jordan back regularly in this format. So much to learn, thank you family Peterson for beaming your thinking out into the world.
This is such a massively complex subject and to listen to these men labour to articulate was so wonderful and insightful...I could listen for another 3 hrs Im sure. Thank you both gentlemen!
If you're interested in hearing another really good one with Iain McGilchrist -- my interview with him is called Models and Reality on the Jax Pax Channel
Thanks for the very thoughtful discussion. I listen to a bunch of podcasts because I love to learn new things. Every now and then, not super often, I will save one of them to a "best discussion" playlist. This one made it to that playlisy. Several times I had to stop, write down my thoughts and then continue. I've been inspired by this talk to compose a poem and that is sooooo unlike me. Maybe someday when I'm finished I'll share it here. Why write all of this down for a bunch of strangers. Because we aren't strangers if we don't see each other that way. If you've read all of this, thank you, I just want to encourage you to be bold and thoughtful as these two were. Share your knowledge with the world. Because WE need it badly. Much love everybody ❤️
This made my day! This discussion needs to be brought forth as often as possible. Thank you for the time stamps which will facilitate pondering the points I found particularly engaging.
If you're interested in hearing another really good one with Iain McGilchrist -- my interview with him is called Models and Reality on the Jax Pax Channel
If you're interested in hearing another really good one with Iain McGilchrist -- my interview with him is called Models and Reality on the Jax Pax Channel
...at or just before 1.35.48, as an observer Jordan, I noticed prior to you saying, I listened to all that and I want to go back. I had written down that you do not wait and absorb what Iain said which I feel is deep and powerful. In no way do I want to be critical. However, we all must learn our behaviors, our biases.... I spent much time in group observing others and Iain mentioned the importance of observing than speaking. We all become 'better' when we learn from one another. And go ahead and criticize me on my writing. I am just taking relevant notes. However, as you advised in one of your videos the importance of rewriting and rewriting something. Great advice!! Thank you.
Hey...Are there any JBP fans/followers out there who are competent singer-musicians particularly on acoustic guitar (or piano) ? Asking because I wrote a song recently based around Jordans 2 Rules for Life books and his philosophies etc, and Im hoping to find someone to cover it for me! He/She would ideally be a fan and be well versed on either acoustic guitar (preferably) or piano with a good singing voice. I am a songwriter myself but not really gifted with a voice or good technique on any particular instrument. I wrote the song on guitar but it would easily adapt to piano also. It has a folk/soft rock feel, but more importantly the lyrics espouse the values and teachings of Jordan of whom I have been a fan of for a few years now. I also believe that there is a growing and much needed space for his values and wisdom out in the big world...especially nowadays. If you are that musician or know of someone then I would be extremely grateful if you could make contact to further discuss! Below is the first half of the lyrics to give you the jist..... 'the voice inside' go clean up your room bring a swift antidote to disorder and gloom go pet on a cat take the time to enjoy simple pleasures like that be clear and precise don't be vague with your words lest there may be a price and don't sacrifice truth know the lies undermine you your conscience the proof and all of this speaks to a feeling inside in a place where our heroes and villains collide when searching for substance on a desolate road a pathway to meaning is choosing to carry the load ....solo.... don't do what you hate seek the things that inspire not the ones that deflate dream who you could be then pursue it with purpose persistence the key stand straight and ........ Thanks in advance!🤞
@@glynsmith60 ... with your shoulders back! I just read this as if it were a rap, and it just worked so perfect! Really digging the lyrics, can't wait to listen to the track! Mad respect! ;-) :D
Wow, thank you both for this astonishing podcast. I am amazed by these recent conversations, especially because I personally am not familiar with the work of some the participants. So good to know that our world still has plenty of great thinkers out there giving us the chance to be a part of their intellectual journey. Thanks again for this deeply valuable content. Greetings from Germany!
The fact that content of this calibre can be so easily broadcast and is consumed by so many must change the world for the better. This thing we call YT is something very powerful.
There are so many ways to mange and prepare for relaxing future, we just always have to keep doing our best because whatever we plant now we will harvest later good or bad
1:41:08, “You are not obliged to finish the work, but you are not permitted to cease from it” - I love this. My favorite professor used to say, “It’s in the striving, Jack!”
Hello, Dr. Peterson I have your new book in my hands. I have already read ‘Twelve Rules’ and follow you since the issue about compelled speech. My elder 30 years old son is also a fan of you. Both of us are very happy of you to have recovered from your health problems.
His ability to ingest, comprehend and then add / contribute to what's been heard, or even link old ideas of his own that contradict / contribute, to minutes worth of ideas presented is AMAZING. And I was speaking about Jordan at first... this is an amazing conversation. 👏
An absolutely fascinating conversation. Mr (Dr?) McGilchrist is an exceptionally engaging guest, and he clearly understands his area of expertise (and many other topics besides) deeply. Thank you for sharing all this wisdom, both of you.
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[2:00] Jordan asks Iain to outline his concept of attention that he outlines in his forthcoming book The Matter of Things
[14:30] Creating the world through attention. Examining studies done to understand what we would miss without the right hemisphere of our brain. Contrasting the known differences of the two brain hemispheres
[24:00] Discussion of the function of categories and the distinction we make that pull things out of those categories
[33:30] What holes, in reality, are your values or belief structures filling in enabling you to function in the world. looking at the importance of looking at things as a whole instead of a part of the whole.
[36:30] Iain talks about paradoxes in the lens of his new book and examines them. Iain denotes the importance of understanding the significance of the left or right hemisphere when looking at ideas, structures, or projects that have contributed to society.
[43:08] Jordan creates an analogy of tiers of resolution when we are living our lives and performing tasks. McGilchrist outlines his analogy of task attention the two hemispheres as a stage with a spotlight, the highlighted portion is the action of the left hemisphere while the whole stage is the collective consciousness of the right hemisphere.
[54:50] Important schools of thought that improve culture, Science, Reason, Intuition, and Imagination. Unpacking the idea of ontological primaries related to consciousness
[1:05:35] Iain recounts the public reaction to The Master and His Emissary
[1:07:30] Iain and Jordan debate about the nature of implicit values and the idea of God, or what we use the word God to describe
[1:15:00] The failing of the left hemisphere vision of the world according to McGilchrist
[1:20:00] debating the value of industrial rationalists that ignore the co-creation relationship of the divine
[1:23:30] Iain's drive to write his books, the disconnect he sees with the rational, scientific construction of society leading to more unhappy people as society "improves" Iain's three things all humans need to be happy are to feel socially connected, being in the presence of nature, and being part of a religious community.
[1:29:30] Discussing the need for science to be embedded in a larger value structure and not simply rational and removed from right brain thinking
[1:34:30] revisiting the co-creation idea of the cosmos, Iain relates his closing argument that science needs to bring back imagination and intuition as important aspects of exploration beyond the strictly rational.
Thanks for the detailed time stamps, Jordo
The time stamps help quite a bit, it's always easier to have some structure. Thank you for taking the time to do that for everyone
thanks and they are really useful for me because I can't watch the whole pod but want to watch segments are relevant to me.
"What do we want?!"
"Incremental improvement!"
"When do we want it?!"
"In due time!"
@@glynsmith60 that reads like a rap
Three Years ago I was hooked on Klonopin. My life was horrible. Fat, slow, depressed, and living with parents at 27. I listened to your talk on Joe Rogan everyday for weeks then your other work. I tapered myself off 6mg Klonopin a day and it took six months. Got in shape and saved enough money to move out and began to voluntarily except responsibility.
I have been independent since and have now moved my Mother out of her old trailer home to a new apartment. I can't believe in just three years, how I was the loser in my family to now be the leader. Its unbelievable. You are in an elite club of people who know the pure utter hell that Klonopin withdraw is. Nobody can possibly understand unless they go through it. And there is no help unless you help yourself. Quitting Klonopin gave me a superpower. Now I am not afraid of anything.
Thank you Doctor Peterson.
@rob91011 jp also never abused benzos, he took what was prescribed or less. It wasn't a dependency, it was the prescribed drugs causing the opposite of the expected result. Go learn something.
@rob91011 Here is your logic: Because we can have personal responsability and are able to help ourselves means that we can not accept help from others otherwise we are frauds. Such a hostile and rigid thought man. What are you aiming at?
@rob91011 becouse he acknowledges what he is and what most people are,and what they could be.
powerful af! keep it going man
Well done, Bucko! Hail, Lobster!
Please split the screen so we can see Jordan’s or guests real time reactions to the conversation.
Upvote
I second this
I also second this
As much as I love this idea, I think it's a struggle to do with how the audio seems to be set up. Doubt it makes it impossible but it might be trickier than first imagined.
@@jonahwelch6766 if they are editing in premier pro the hard work is already done with audio switching they just need to reside video or crop them - hopefully they have and editor that can do this 🦞🦞
I’m basically uneducated and didn’t have any interest when at school. At 27 I’m thankful that I’m able to listen to this conversation and learn
you are young man. by 30 you will have dived into an awful lot and you will still be in your prime
Public Institutions of "School" are just propaganda training sites. Good thing you weren't paying attention lol. You must have an astute mind to pick up on this as being far more important to give your attention to. You are blessed with discernment?
@@logoimotions for a long time I thought my prime was way past but I’m working and putting more effort than ever to prove you right! Thankyou for the kind message
I’m 50 now, quit school after 10th grade in 1984 (funny how that year came full circle in life)age 16. I couldn’t stand the system. I wasn’t and still am not dumb or lazy, just bored of their BS, even then. I didn’t earn top dollars but also didn’t do too shabby..I survived.
I’ve learned more from yt and the net than I would’ve in school. Well, at least I learned the truths they want hidden.
No regrets.
@@tbezz4263 keep on the path and god bless
"The quality of the world depends on the quality of attention you pay to it" 💯
- Iain
Todd Pennington?
... I guess this would apply to bad quality in the world ... quality term doesn't simply imply good or great quality.
Obtuse
The measure of attention you pay is equal to the measure of attention you receive. Simple.
I can’t believe this guy was on deaths door and somehow managed to pull himself together and produce content like THIS. Incredible
He cleaned his room.
I had no idea he was on deaths door step at one point. I just came across peterson about 6 months ago.
Word.
@Jo C I’d like to read your book, then
I feel happy for him
Dr Peterson,
Recently, I listened to your podcast with you and Tom. Towards the end, you became emotional and said you felt unworthy and ashamed.
Jordan, you don't have to be perfect. The world needs you with all your imperfections.
You have drastically changed my outlook on life. I owe you a great amount of debt.
Thank you very much for your consistent uploads. I wish you and your family the best❤
I think in a way that's just Jordan giving the ultimate compliment
Amen. It's your humanity and imperfection and your admission of these facts that helps us so much
I think he was just admitting to feeling and being human
Well said ❤️🔥
I'm having a moment of awe that I'm privledged enough to live in a time where I can listen to this conversation between these two brilliant minds 🤯.
I studied engineering before I studied medicine and the difference in the spirit of inquiry was enormous- as an engineering undergrad everything was being discovered and was possible- as a medical student at a more prestigious school everything was known and meaningful inquiry was dead- that endarkenment of society- particularly in higher learning is so very real
Agree
That's interesting. If everything in the medical profession is entirely understood, how come there's no cure for the common cold, let alone something like HIV, not to mention schizophrenia or even blindness or paralysis?
Sounds like you really were going to a "prestigious" med school instead of a good one!
I'm listening to this conversation again and again trying to grasp all of the great ideas in it. Thank you, dr. Peterson and dr. McGilchrist for this great podcast.
100%
What a great conversation! I’m listening to this on a Saturday while cleaning my house. 🏡 What a time to be alive! Thank you 🙏
I feel like these two gentlemen need more sessions together.
In person would be an absolute gem
100%
Doubt
I'd love to be in the same room with them
Yes. Also Tom Holland, and perhaps James Lindsay. Add them all together, and things become very clear. The source of the evil is Marxism, and the solution is Christianity. As it was, so it is again.
McGilcrhist might be the only person that really gives Peterson a run for his money. I love it when they talk. I could watch this all day. Taking thorough notes.
I observed the same thing.
A run for their money. Really?
I thought they were just discussing their agreements and possible differences, and were above all else wanting to find a meeting place.
They're good. There is an old interview of Joseph Campbell, called "The Power of Myth. I think Joseph Campbell is the most interesting person to listen to. Since he died the Dalai Lama, is the wisest man alive.
@@Chickiwi I'm saying he gave him a run for his money as a conversation partner. SO often JP doesn't necessarily have an intellectual challenge or enlightenment from someone who is as knowledgable or more so about some of these topics. This is usually his domain, but when McGilchrist sits down to talk, you know they're both going to push each other in how far they can take some of these ideas.
My favourite super niche community might be people who are in love with these two having a conversation
I qualify and also inquire such a niche
It’s so rare to find people who relate with these interests! Most of my friends would rather talk about Instagram or video games rather than anything meaningful.
I loved their first conversation, which I have watched several times. There is so much interesting material in it and the flow of ideas between JBP and IM is itself fascinating to watch, two great minds at work.
If you're interested in hearing another really good one with Iain McGilchrist -- my interview with him is called Models and Reality on the Jax Pax Channel
Me too man..
Iain's occasional grunts of affirmation as Jordan speaks add such a fantastic level of friendliness to their conversation
Thanks to you both for a most useful and beautiful conversation.
"It is not your duty to finish the work, but neither are you at liberty to neglect it..." Pirkei Avot 2։16
Jordan is filling a gap on the internet for people craving high level conversations.
I think they both are and are both great to have in conversation together .
You’re right Ana.
If you're interested in hearing another really good one with Iain McGilchrist -- my interview with him is called Models and Reality on the Jax Pax Channel
Yes cause we don’t have space in our days for these conversations. I for one love a good convo
I miss the uncensored internet.
Good to see Iain getting more love.
I have two things I'd like to mention; One is that I had a brain injury years ago that was missed. It was before they really knew about the specific issues with multiple concussions back to back or in recent succession. So it took 8 years before it was found, via a Neurologist, that I had 70% reduction in short term memory (sorry that's the only way I can describe it).
I had insomnia for years after the injuries (which occured within 6 weeks of eachother) and could not run more than 3 strides before literally running into the ground on my face. I was able to teach myself to run again by mentally concentrating on lifting my knees higher. I ran weirdly for about a year before it started to feel natural again. I was highly motivated to get back to normal because my work was very high stress and I needed to be able to do my job without putting myself or others at risk of injury or death. So it was very motivating. I had to drive in my work vehicle and I found I would get behind the wheel and start to literally pass out. My family doctor suggested it was the insomnia and gave my some relaxation exercises to do, which were already known to me and I had tried them already. I was under so much pressure at work from my superiors to figure this out, I asked my doctor if the reason could be due to the recent concussions. She asked me when they had occurred and I stated that it had been 4- 6 weeks now and she was quite reassuring that there was no way they were related. I simply shrugged my shoulders and walked out of the office.
I continued to struggle at work because I found I could not complete my reports. I was confused as to why suddenly I could not remember how to , it seemed. But due to the pressures of work, I pressed on. I was constantly in trouble at work for my reports not being completed on time and when they were reviewed, my supervisors were baffled because the reports were basically done, with only one more task to do on them!
The Neurologist that tested me suggested that the reason why I was able to recover as well as I did without professional help, was due to how motivated I was to push through and push myself.
It wasn't until about 6-7 years after the injuries that I started having such trouble remembering names of people, places, things and procedures. I was even having trouble with new faces of people and because I was now working in a small town, it was getting more and more difficult to hide my deficits. Then I started having mini seizures. Because I lived alone, it became worrisome. Then I started forgetting the names of people in my office. So I went for more testing with a different Neurologist. He was simply not helpful and never did say what he thought was wrong.
I explain all of this to give some context to the right and left hemisphere connection. My first injury was to the top right hemisphere and the second was to my temple location on my right hemisphere but there also would have been some concussion to the lower to mid left. On the MRI, I could clearly see the places where the brain had hit up against my inner skull. It was subtle by then of course, but the Neurologists had nothing to compare the image to, so they could not say what was an old injury or just natural formation.
I am an artist now...I was an artist when I was younger too, but I struggled with a lack of imagination so went in a different direction. Now, I have a plethora of imagination! I am a fountain of imagination if I turn the tap on. It comes effortlessly and actually at such a rate it definitely can be overwhelming. Is this due to my injuries I wonder?
Artists are here to help others see all that is before them.
I share this and am open to discussion within limits of course because I hope that it can help someone one day. I have become much more open about my life and my "condition" after I was diagnosed? We can learn much from each other's experiences. We can learn from each other, but of course it is not easy to trust. But at face value, there must be some value here. ; )
Oh...and the second thing; Jesus is real ; ) and I'm not kidding about this and I'm dead serious and no, I did not imagine Him up. I know that this brings everything I shared before into serious question for some. i get it. But if you knew what I knew, you would do the same.
Keep on searching until you find Him.
Dear Mr Peterson, I just want to say thanks. Your 4th series is free of charge to watch, and is still helping us to consider the fundamental things. I appreciate all your hard work.
Dr. Peterson’s ability to take unbelievably complex topics and bring them to the level of everyday people is underrated. Thank you JP
@@DartNoobo I don't really see this as an assessment of everyday people. I think it's about his ability to give more people that opportunity. of course he's not a magician and isn't relevant or comprehensible to everyone.
@Gabe Hernandez I agree with you. I enjoy listening to Jordan Peterson’s perspectives using his high functioning intellect to interpret complex topics in a more understandable logic for a majority of people. I laughed when he once spoke of reading a book so complex he took 6 months to read it. My personal perception was that the book had no logical progression/sequence & he lost interest but was tenacious in reading the entire book.😂 I related to that as I was asked to read a book written about Micky Mantle to explain it to a baseball enthusiast. I enjoy biographies, but this was one of the most “scatter-brained” written compilations of statistics & verbal crap I had read in quite a while. SMH! I would love to meet JP.
I think Peterson scrambles McGilchrist's key insights. I have read "The Master and his Emissary" twice and gained a huge amount out of it both times. Peterson showed me nothing I couldn't enjoy without him.
From the bottom of my heart - thank you Dr. Peterson. You may never fully know just how helpful and healing your work has been to all of us. The world is and will be, a much better and brighter place because of the great effort you’ve put into Being. God bless you and your family 🙏🏼
This is going to sound silly, but reading this comment put me in the brink of tears. I think it's because I know how much he values comments like this, BUT WHY AM I CRYING?!?
Amen
We are part of this, and it's 'container' in a way. And as the same time there is now a Jordan Peterson in all of us. Proud of us fellas ;-)
@@TOKRocK84 well put brother 👌🏼 Truly inspiring people don’t strive to gather followers, they strive to awaken the dormant inspiring qualities within all of us, so that we too can become truly inspiring people. Jordan Peterson is a great example of a truly inspiring person 🙂
The Master and His Emissary is the best non-fiction book I've ever read. Truly world changing.
Extraordinary book. I completely agree. Have you ever read Charles Taylor's A Secular Age? That's similarly rich and profound.
@@everythingflows3639 No I haven't, will check it out. Thanks for the recommendation.
My favorite book is the Bible. It's factual plus it has amazing stories and teachings. Try it. It's not boring, at all.
@@breatheeasily4013 King James version or nothing
@@everythingflows3639 Lebron?
It is a very rare thing to watch a dialog or talk that can open you up to so many insights in such a short time. This was incredible. Please bring him back again soon.
This is an incredibly, incredibly powerful and meaningful conversation. My mind is blown!
Mr Mcgilchrist seperates the brain and funtiòns of with very littĺe proof.
Can we divide the universe because comparatively it would be a similar task!
Thank yoi Dr Peterson and mr Mcgilchrist for the knowledge on this multi làyered conversation, I have taken much.
I posted a much longèr comment with more expressiòn, it got lost somehow!
Thank you both for all
Laghlanⁿ.
Anybody else level up and gain wisdom points from listening to this amazing podcast?
Truely
YES! Absolutely, I have listened to this three times already (I might listen to it a few more times until it stops unpacking new knowledge) and I have a feeling that this ideas are going to be life changing for me.
@@ezequielalmeida6378 I am another who listens more than once.....
I thought I'd leveled up. Like 10 times. I love such a challenging conversation-especially one that is not, ultimately, unknowable
Man Jordan's going rapid fire with these interviews now... Great to see you're starting to feel better Jordan! God bless
Cxi
"The qualities of the world that come to your attention are determined by the qualities of the attention that you bring to it."
Oh this gon be good.
Which is why I meditate with Sam Harris. I need, need, need more conversations between Jordan and Sam. Check out Iian's conversation with Sam, too. It was great. (This conversation between Jordan and Sam was so beautiful. Made me cry.)
8:20 two hemispheres is to give depth.
One eye is all that’s needed to see but we have two for depth perception. One is still dominant but the two working together give exponentially improved interaction with the world around us.
Jordan did a wonderful job of letting Ian speak. And of course asking excellent questions. This was an epic meeting of the minds. Love to both you!
"Imagination is more important than knowledge".....Einstein. "I wish I could paint like a child" .....Picasso in old age.
Well Picasso is a hack who got lazy and complacent and was rewarded by an ignorant population. There are also fairly reliable speculations that his father created a large portion of his early body of work
@@hypno5690 What exactly was your intended purpose when writing this reply? And why?
That's not really true unless you think of knowledge merely as a body of dead facts (Einstein may be addressing this issue, and he may even consider knowledge to be just that). Either way, that is seriously incorrect if you take the typical and more classical understanding of knowledge, which actually includes imagination itself to some degree.
@@TheClassicWorld Personally when I was listening to Iain's monologue about the lack of resolution in words/communication I kept thinking about another Einstein quote:
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
While I definitely wholeheartedly agree with his point that a photograph or a description (in words) of a scenery could never convey the same awe as actually witnessing the scenery with one's own eyes could, I find THAT particular train of thought as an 'end point' a bit lacking.
Take for example the fact that the human eye has a limited resolution as well.. or the fact that it's severely limited in the spectrum of electromagnetic radiation it can detect.. or the further limitation of our brain to be able to process and store said image... or, when taken the other way, how one's experience of a 'scenic' image might be enhanced and expanded by being accompanied with a fitting musical score.
In a sense, While I completely agree that the left hemisphere is (and should be) subservient to the right, I do feel like he seems to undervalue abstraction, categorization and 'compression' of concepts. If we were all constantly amazed by every single strand of hair on our own bodies and how they differed from every other strand of hair we'd get literally nothing done at all.
@@ayporos if its true that the left is specialized in abstraction and logic, then having it subservient to imagination and other categorization makes one ungrounded and dreamy. I heard this in another's pov which I can agree on since I somehow able to shift the model or locus of attention through meditation and free association. During this one intense internal sublimation, I observe the picturisque aspect of the mind has more power than language and its in the right side of my brain because I can feel the 'activity' there. I know its weird to say this but I become acutely aware of these sensation of energies when I focus my awareness to certain parts of my body when I practiced meditation.
Jordan is pumping out absolute bangers as of late. Intellectual conversations are intoxicating.
Couldnt agree more his last podcast S4Ep20 is currently my fav podcast of the year.
@@glynsmith60 Best of luck. The lyrics seem solid. If you don't find anyone or you are running out of patience, I would suggest Fiver.
Except for the Nicole Arbour one, I couldn't stand her
@@johndeschlong591 Thanks...much appreciated!
He is precisely hitting the "nerve" so to speak. Man, things are going so horribly mad these days, I think of it as compensation to balance things out at least a little. We need to choose to become good Persons, all collectively embark on the hero's journey to fortify this path. The world needs us!! Now is the time. Each of us matters, the impact is cascading in nature, let's all rise and tilt this world a bit more towards being like heaven rather than letting it slide down towards hell,. It is never futile! Not at all! We have responsibility!
The solution of the problems of the world is the integrity of the individual.
And that's exactly right! :)
I read The Master and his Emissary a few months ago and it completely blew me away. It addressed and explained pretty much everything I've ever felt was wrong with the modern world.
If you want to hear another one with Iain McGilchrist I interviewed him on the Jax Pax Channel -- it's called Models and Reality :)
read Zentiva, sounds like something Ian would write.
How can I clean up my room when there is content like this to immerse myself in?...Ah ha! Clean up my room AT THE SAME TIME!
Indeed. That's what I do; haha
You are cleaning your room by watching such videos. Not in the physical realm or the realm of emotions, but in the realm of ideas.....
McGilchrist is the man history needs
Aho! My heart is in agreement ❤️🌍🌎🌏❤️
It's not often that you see Jordan listening for this length of time. I suspect that Iain is bringing him new pieces of the puzzle that Jordan is constantly building. That said, I think I also hear undertones of Iain's view of Jordan being too locked down into certainty...there is an interesting positive tension in this dialogue.
You put your finger on it! Exactly. JBP is trying to introduce Iain to the highest ideal who can be such without being controlling, but rather drawing, wooing, motivating to relationship through action towards the ideal. Iain is great, but he just doesn’t get what JBP is trying to say.
@@TheMeaningCode... exactly, and as much as I love Iain's work, and as much as I think it will further triangulate Jorden's argument, I see Jordan pulling back his comments and listening as strategy to seek to find the nuggets nestled in what I'm begining to suspect is Iain's preconceived notion of what God is. It strikes me as very ironic that although Ian conceives Jordan as being a bit too certain, he is getting trapped in his own certainty himself. Would give my next pay check to chat with Jordan about that one! LoL
@@TheMeaningCode oh, and I'll add...or rather clarify, that I think he isn't ready/willing to hear what Jordan is trying to articulate on that point. You can hear a frustration level that spikes at the point, and he shifts to a preconceived argument against the omni-god notion as a whole. Fascinating to watch them dialogue though. I begin to understand how Rome became so prominent.
‘Iain’ not ‘Ian’.
@@ivormectin9889 clearly familiar with that correction lol
I was looking forward to seeing you speak with Iain McGilchrist again. So glad you managed to have him on!
If you're interested in hearing another really good one with Iain McGilchrist -- my interview with him is called Models and Reality on the Jax Pax Channel
My God, JP is reaching peak performance! Almost 2 hour long podcasts daily.
Rabi, you are the light upon this world!
@Taylor C I think he is merely refering to Peterson's innovative pedagogical methods
Borderline… sacrilege.
Hey...Are there any JBP fans/followers out there who are competent singer-musicians particularly on acoustic guitar (or piano) ?
Asking because I wrote a song recently based around Jordans 2 Rules for Life books and his philosophies etc, and Im hoping to find someone to cover it for me! He/She would ideally be a fan and be well versed on either acoustic guitar (preferably) or piano with a good singing voice.
I am a songwriter myself but not really gifted with a voice or good technique on any particular instrument. I wrote the song on guitar but it would easily adapt to piano also. It has a folk/soft rock feel, but more importantly the lyrics espouse the values and teachings of Jordan of whom I have been a fan of for a few years now. I also believe that there is a growing and much needed space for his values and wisdom out in the big world...especially nowadays.
If you are that musician or know of someone then I would be extremely grateful if you could make contact to further discuss!
Below is the first half of the lyrics to give you the jist.....
'the voice inside'
go clean up your room
bring a swift antidote to disorder and gloom
go pet on a cat
take the time to enjoy simple pleasures like that
be clear and precise
don't be vague with your words lest there may be a price
and don't sacrifice truth
know the lies undermine you your conscience the proof
and all of this speaks to a feeling inside
in a place where our heroes and villains collide when searching for substance on a desolate road
a pathway to meaning is choosing to carry the load
....solo....
don't do what you hate
seek the things that inspire not the ones that deflate
dream who you could be
then pursue it with purpose persistence the key
stand straight and ........
Thanks in advance!🤞
Rabi means teacher. It's not like he called him preacher. Least not necessarily.
@Taylor C just a word play on my part. He interprets the scriptures very well (in my oppinion). That's why I called him a teacher (rabi).
For me - he's like a prophets of old sent to humanity to tell them "clean up your room, or else..." :D
This conversation had me in tears. It's truly inspiring to hear views that resonate with my own experience and they are so few and far between these days...
Gem of a conversation. The way they clarify the concepts using their own words makes McGilchrist’s ideas much easier to understand, particularly the left , right hemisphere stuff
Jordan Peterson: Yeah I don't know about going on another book tour.
Jordan Peterson: So I'm just going to do a few interviews on my podcast.
Us: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Love you, Dr. Peterson! Thank you for holding on for so long and for always aiming up.
1:17:10 "Thinking is more interesting than knowing but not than observing."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe ( 1749 - 1832 )
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Was thinking the same thing. Sherlock gets the big picture. His left brain is in constant contact with his right brain, unlike LeStrade and Scotland Yard
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Thanks Bob!
It took me four years to paint like Raphael, but a lifetime to paint like a child
Pablo Picasso
He never painted like Raphael.
Great conversation, Prof. Peterson! Life is very complicated and it's absolutely amazing how our mind and brain guide us through the mess.
The left vs right brain bit was interesting and instructive. The comments on poverty, and the current age of endarkenment were dead on. I think while western society has succeeded in generating wealth it has failed in generating value and it has discarded the most meaningful parts of experience in its search for wealth- and I think on a deep level everybody feels it- and I think your publications do a great job helping people orient themselves and will prove invaluable and far reaching to the rising generations. Thanks again!
Really well said!
We never talk about the illth that is generated by the generation of wealth.
Lots of love from mozambique, I went all the way importing your book 12 rules for order because I couldn't find it in my country, Swaziland and South Africa, and it was worth every effort, I think I'm going to import the new book too
I've been drawn to The Master and His Emissary since I heard it mentioned on the radio years ago. I still haven't gotten to it, I'm so grateful that Dr. Peterson has given him this platform. Due to the popularity and audience of Peterson, many people now have the gift of learning about Ian McGilchrist's work. I love how Jordan Peterson draws him out to talk about the why's to his work and books. I find myself to be a big fan of McGilchrist's ideas and thinking after watching this. It's been said Truth has a beauty that helps you to know it when you see it, and this is what I find in McGilchrist's conversation. And central to this is the ancient idea that we cannot know everything and that is part of the wisdom and the knowing. Thank you gentlemen.
This is some deep level conversation right there. I first listened to it while doing some chores as I usually do with many podcasts, but there was a background noise that prevented me to hear some of the words (which normally would be ok to understand almost any other type of conversation) and now I am listening to it again to fully grasp everything said in it. I am certain that it is worth it.
For sure I need to rewatch this again. It's really good. I'm very grateful to have the chance to listen to this kind of podcasts. We all are. The gap is being filled with great content. Finally, my brain seems to get some superfoods.
:D
I've been obsessed with the differences in the brain hemispheres lately!! Thank you for this Jordan. It's my birthday today and this is a fantastic present. Appreciate both you gentlemen greatly. Cheers
Happy birthday!
@@catified2081 Thanks noob! 😊
Happy Birthday.
@@StrategicWealthLLC Thank you Bruce! This is the conclusion of my 34th trip around the sun. I was thinking this morning about how grateful I am for my family...I have two kids 6 and 18 months. And I thought if I could make it another 34 laps around the sun and I could guide and teach my kid's and watch them grow and mature then I would be forever grateful for this experience of being. Then I looked up in the sky and saw a rainbow ring around the sun...I have never seen one before but apparently they're called sun halos. I couldn't help but think that this was some kind of meaningful coincidence or a synchronistic event in Jungian terms. I was literally thinking about the years of my life being laps around the sun and how if this was the midway point I would be extremely lucky and in that exact moment I looked up to see a rainbow circle around the sun...almost as if the universe was acknowledging me and saying yes, I see you, happy birthday. I know that's probably not the case and sounds insane but the feeling that emerged from that experience felt divine. Idk what it means at all honestly...but I know that it meant something to me and I'm grateful that it happened. Cheers mate
Happy birthday
“You can do anything-but not everything.” - David Allen
You can't fly up into the trees like a bird.
@@DisabilityExams You can in a metal box
This is an incredible conversation of two Titans of thought. I absolutely love Iain McGilchrist's work and his searching knowledge. Thank you Jordan for letting Iain talk fully about his erudite discoveries. Please do this again and again and again. Thank you
Intelligent conversations. What we’ve been so deprived of.
Jordan started all this important discussion. Brilliant though he is, he is also humble, open and even tender.
What a treat it is to witness these two in conversation. Simply amazing!
These conversations are always so fascinating, really glad to see Dr. Peterson healthy and admire the amount of work he's put into these recent podcasts all things considered. God bless you and your family
"Since life is short and the word is wide, the sooner you start exploring it the better. Soon enough the time will come when you are too tired to move further than the terrace of the best hotel. Go now" Simon Raven. This and this discourse reminded me of it.
*world not word..
Simone Weil “ giving another your attention is the greatest gift one can give another human”
So is love attention or part/extension of the same emotional base?
I sense that there might be a little exception for introverts. Extroverts might automatically agree with that statement but what about people that doesn't necessarily need that?
I was thinking that very same thing, within a minute of this interview starting, my mind went right to Weil.
TOTALLY AWESOME, mutual respectful, & incredibly thought provoking and encouraging dialogue between two intellectually dynamic and yet genuinely humanly grounded men on a search for truths! Thank you both!
As an IT professional the bit about the square and what people could remember is fascinating. It's the exact same way that information is stored on a computer. You have different levels of this storage space for data that we call "cache".
The first type is used to store information that is frequently used, ie evaluating what is going on right now close to the central processing unit (CPU) to reduce the average cost (time or energy), to process things.
Next we store data that you are currently working on with to retrieve things from the secondary cache (RAM). Think of this as information you hold in your head whilst solving complex problems, or knowing that you need to go look at the stove, or pay your bills today.
Finally we have the equivilent of long term memory that resides on your harddrive. This would be memories, or remembering the lines of that movie you haven't seen in 5 years.
I see the parallels here. And from a design perspective it design perspective, it makes sense. Not everything can occupy the space closest to the processing unit, so you need to prioritize and split things up like that.
It would not surprise me one bit if the left hand side of the brain is has evolved in the same way - that it's faster to react and process data. If so then that would make sense for it to house the basic survival instincts and emotions, because in order to survive every millisecond counts in terms of reaction speed. It would also help with communication if emotions are also tied to it so you can see the emotional response to things and get that feedback right away.
If my hypothesis is correct then the right hand brain is ever so slightly slower then the left side of the brain, but excels in working memory - that would probably light up if you are thinking about solving a complex problem let's say. If so, then just like on a computer it would make more sense in that case to have it structured in a way to better deal with logic, rules and problem solving.
It would explain perfectly well the hypothesis put forward for why the left side of the brain only remembered the buildings on one side of the street. It's essentially L1, L2, L3 CPU cache that has a smaller capacity (if it was too large it would be at the cost of other parts of the brain being further away) to be as efficiant as possible, optimized to be super fast in processing what is going on right now.
I'm not normally a violent person, but that like button really deserved it.
underrated comment
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I am a 29 year old high school drop out who couldn’t stay out of trouble in school. This video reminds me just how lucky I am to be living in a time when this type of education can be found for free online. These types of conversations would have been held for the highest in education despite the fact that most people can follow them to some degree.
I would have dropped out at 29 as well
@@jamie2866 lol nice
I absolutely love how Iain stands up to Jordan’s attempts to interrupt him.
I absolutely love Iain just shutting Peterson's misinterpretation of his speech as with a flat 'no.'
Jordan probably appreciates it too, that he's having an even "match" in terms of discussion. Mikhaila said something in her podcast about how her husband originally didn't know how to force his ways into conversations with Jordan, before he realized that Jordan wasn't going to stay quiet and that he had to just force his way in if he wanted to say anything. It seems more fair this way, vs with other guests when Jordan later says he feels bad that the guest didn't get any words in.. can't say that about this one!
I think Jordan is trying to express Iain's ideas into a language that is easier to digest for the average person.
Yeah it's great listen and see - it's not adversarial or confrontational just engaging, challenging & illuminating
Definitely - there were quite a few times when I wanted to hear fully what Iain was trying to say but Jordan kept interrupting him which was irritating because I would loose track of what Iain was saying but equally what Jordan was saying was interesting too..... but as time went on, McGilchrist started to realise he needed to be firm to get his point across more strongly and then there was a more pleasing balance
I have purchased your book and several more for family members.. you are such a light in all this darkness. Bless your sweet soul.
"The right hemisphere sees that nothing is ever ultimately unconnected from everything else" 22:12
When he says “enjoy the podcast” I feel like that’s an order. Haha
😂
Absolutely there is no other option 😂
Cultist
Clean your room!
Enjoy... OR ELSE!
These "daily" podcasts are making my mornings so much more fulfilling! Thank you Jordan!
I love Jordan Peterson he's made my life so much better, I've quit shooting Herion and Meth, I got 22 months clean. I love his talks I tell everyone about him. I've found purpose and meaning in life. It all started with listening to Jordan.Thank you JP you saved my life, and I'm on the right path now. :)
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Congratulations!
@rob91011 idk you overcome a serious drug addiction and let us know.
I can not thank you enough for this conversation. Thanks to both of you.
This was a serious, intense discussion today between Jordan Peterson and Iian McGilchrist.
I love Heraclitus, "One cannot step in the same river twice."
Thank you both with the deepest appreciation and respect for your expertise. However, in all the discussions I have see with Dr. Iian McGilchrist, books with all his many deep thinkers , I missed more of his laughter and giggles. Otherwise, I learned more.❤
Oh, it was nice to see Jordan Peterson crack a smile just now.
Don't forget the dance between the the spheres. Cultures traveling for centuries 3500 hundreds of years ago, the Gilgamesh Epic, Socrates, Plato ,Aristotle so many. Philosophy, world histories, sciences, religious divisions and wars. Music, art, literature, poetry, languages mixing, and wine and opium traveling for centuries. Indigenous cultures traveling and they their ancient wisdoms. The Universe is the stories.
A mind that learns that has not been damaged is always growing.
Carl Yung's "The Redbook" Libra Novus that he wrote and thought it would never be published, but I am glad it was published after being hidden in a box in a bank vault, that the estate of Jung's allowed to be edited and with an Introduction Sanu Shamdasani.
Goodnight sweet gentlemen. ❤
So excited to see you and Iain having another conversation. Brilliant minds.
Never clicked faster. This will be great.
Absolutely!
@Susan Jabberwocky haha very good 😜
@@glynsmith60 FAIRLY certain you're talking about the feller..... hm, my point was gonna be that he's real popular, and now i can't think of his name,.... yeah-but-still(!) he's real popular, and the Music is Absolutely Wonder-full ...... i'm gonna think of the name 9 seconds after i post this....... so if this query was just an INCREDIBLY specific troll,... at least now, by not posting a link to ten-thousand hours of the guy's music (with Dr JBP on lyrics), i only look like half an ass instead of a whole ass..... yes i am slightly stoned, it's been a HELL of a day/week/year/life; get off my back, brah!!!!!!!
***EDIT***
oops wait,.... my eyes betrayed me, and i glossed over your description of the song, which sounds less like this very popular guy who's been on JBP's podcast whose name i STILL can't think of and i *REFUSE* to google this kind of thing anymore when my BRAIN should be doing the work! .... PS yes i am still a little stoned ... big whup!
Excellent conversation! Thank you Jordan! Dr McGilchrist brings up so many things I've been aware for so long that I almost fell of my chair when listening to them. As an engineer with 35 years experience, I started to take off in the profession after studying art. As a eminently right brained person, working in a left-brained environment was painful. Although we're trained to be practical people (I see the benefits of it), only a few of us are able to challenge the notion of a reality formulated in a certain way. Thinking outside the box is also part of that reality.
Alberto, I so resonated with you on this. I ran into the same thing and eventually left graduate school because of it. I had to-They we’re all wrong… like everyone. In the world. 😂 I thought they were doing it on purpose at first, we’re nefarious maybe, corrupt at the least, but it is just that I was different.
I read the entire The Master and his Emissary. It was long and dense and took a long time. It was also amazing. It's made sense of a lot of the things other people do, but also a lot of sense of how my own mind works. It's been an extremely influential book for me.
Jordan, I would like to tell you the same as thousands of people before me. Thank you! You really have a very positive effect on people, including me. I have been watching your videos, your lectures for several years, but I am too far away to even dream of seeing you live. But today, using a translator, at least I will write, suddenly you will see, although I hardly believe. Thank you for such a person as you.
It's such a treat to be able to have Jordan back regularly in this format. So much to learn, thank you family Peterson for beaming your thinking out into the world.
Truly grateful for all the most helpful information.
This is such a massively complex subject and to listen to these men labour to articulate was so wonderful and insightful...I could listen for another 3 hrs Im sure. Thank you both gentlemen!
If you're interested in hearing another really good one with Iain McGilchrist -- my interview with him is called Models and Reality on the Jax Pax Channel
It makes me truly makes me happy that every week it seems like you seem healthier and healthier each and every week! I'm so glad you're doing better!
Absolutely love this conversation! Explains so much about our world today.
Thanks for the very thoughtful discussion. I listen to a bunch of podcasts because I love to learn new things. Every now and then, not super often, I will save one of them to a "best discussion" playlist. This one made it to that playlisy. Several times I had to stop, write down my thoughts and then continue. I've been inspired by this talk to compose a poem and that is sooooo unlike me. Maybe someday when I'm finished I'll share it here. Why write all of this down for a bunch of strangers. Because we aren't strangers if we don't see each other that way. If you've read all of this, thank you, I just want to encourage you to be bold and thoughtful as these two were. Share your knowledge with the world. Because WE need it badly.
Much love everybody ❤️
This made my day! This discussion needs to be brought forth as often as possible. Thank you for the time stamps which will facilitate pondering the points I found particularly engaging.
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I shouted "Yes!!" when I saw this uploaded. I have been waiting years for another conversation with Iain.
If you're interested in hearing another really good one with Iain McGilchrist -- my interview with him is called Models and Reality on the Jax Pax Channel
100 pages in on “The Master and His Emissary” and it is absolutely captivating and eye opening!
Awesome. The second half of the book, which gives an account of Western philosophical and artistic history, is even better.
If you're interested in hearing another really good one with Iain McGilchrist -- my interview with him is called Models and Reality on the Jax Pax Channel
I want to thank Dr.Petersen for turning me on to Dr. McGilchrist’s books. Absolutely wonderful perspectives to explore. Thank you.
...at or just before 1.35.48, as an observer Jordan, I noticed prior to you saying, I listened to all that and I want to go back. I had written down that you do not wait and absorb what Iain said which I feel is deep and powerful. In no way do I want to be critical. However, we all must learn our behaviors, our biases.... I spent much time in group observing others and Iain mentioned the importance of observing than speaking. We all become 'better' when we learn from one another. And go ahead and criticize me on my writing. I am just taking relevant notes. However, as you advised in one of your videos the importance of rewriting and rewriting something. Great advice!! Thank you.
Thanks for feeding us with such great content ! From Korea 🇰🇷
I’ve been waiting for this since their last talk! Should be EPIC!!!
@Susan Jabberwocky Sorry...I thought Dr Petersons blogs just might be the best place to try and connect with a fan/musician for this song? My bad!!
Hey...Are there any JBP fans/followers out there who are competent singer-musicians particularly on acoustic guitar (or piano) ?
Asking because I wrote a song recently based around Jordans 2 Rules for Life books and his philosophies etc, and Im hoping to find someone to cover it for me! He/She would ideally be a fan and be well versed on either acoustic guitar (preferably) or piano with a good singing voice.
I am a songwriter myself but not really gifted with a voice or good technique on any particular instrument. I wrote the song on guitar but it would easily adapt to piano also. It has a folk/soft rock feel, but more importantly the lyrics espouse the values and teachings of Jordan of whom I have been a fan of for a few years now. I also believe that there is a growing and much needed space for his values and wisdom out in the big world...especially nowadays.
If you are that musician or know of someone then I would be extremely grateful if you could make contact to further discuss!
Below is the first half of the lyrics to give you the jist.....
'the voice inside'
go clean up your room
bring a swift antidote to disorder and gloom
go pet on a cat
take the time to enjoy simple pleasures like that
be clear and precise
don't be vague with your words lest there may be a price
and don't sacrifice truth
know the lies undermine you your conscience the proof
and all of this speaks to a feeling inside
in a place where our heroes and villains collide when searching for substance on a desolate road
a pathway to meaning is choosing to carry the load
....solo....
don't do what you hate
seek the things that inspire not the ones that deflate
dream who you could be
then pursue it with purpose persistence the key
stand straight and ........
Thanks in advance!🤞
“Attention is how you dispose your conscieness towards the world” … you’ve got my attention!
Same here!
@@glynsmith60
... with your shoulders back!
I just read this as if it were a rap,
and it just worked so perfect!
Really digging the lyrics,
can't wait to listen to the track!
Mad respect!
;-) :D
@@TOKRocK84 Thanks...much appreciated!👍
Wow, thank you both for this astonishing podcast. I am amazed by these recent conversations, especially because I personally am not familiar with the work of some the participants. So good to know that our world still has plenty of great thinkers out there giving us the chance to be a part of their intellectual journey. Thanks again for this deeply valuable content. Greetings from Germany!
The fact that content of this calibre can be so easily broadcast and is consumed by so many must change the world for the better. This thing we call YT is something very powerful.
oh snap, @uberboyo where you at...
Lol i was about to comment the same thing
I WAS LOOKING FOR THIS COMMENT!
Boyo Alert!!!!!!!! 🚀
Steph really peaked my interest in the differences in the brain hemispheres. Its endlessly fascinating. Almost as interesting as DMT.
Who tf is boyo?
I've ordered the book from Amazon to be delivered to Russia 🇷🇺
There are so many ways to mange and prepare for relaxing future, we just always have to keep doing our best because whatever we plant now we will harvest later good or bad
I lost £3200 carelessly trading on 5a platform then I was referred to Mr Harry Webar, he recovered the loss and made an extra profit of £10,600
@Sarah Hamilton You should text him on WhatsApp, he will give you all the information you need to start your investment journey
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@Alex becker's Channel right
1:41:08, “You are not obliged to finish the work, but you are not permitted to cease from it” - I love this. My favorite professor used to say, “It’s in the striving, Jack!”
cool
I could listen to these two all day long. What a wonderful thing it is to see these conversations/thinkersations.
Absolutely fascinating!
Hello, Dr. Peterson
I have your new book in my hands. I have already read ‘Twelve Rules’ and follow you since the issue about compelled speech. My elder 30 years old son is also a fan of you. Both of us are very happy of you to have recovered from your health problems.
I can confirm Dr McGilchrist's hypothesis: I live to eat and to not be eaten.
pls go away fake one...
His ability to ingest, comprehend and then add / contribute to what's been heard, or even link old ideas of his own that contradict / contribute, to minutes worth of ideas presented is AMAZING. And I was speaking about Jordan at first... this is an amazing conversation. 👏
Incredibly interesting and insightful conversation!. Another one with Iain McGilchrist would be appreciated!
An absolutely fascinating conversation. Mr (Dr?) McGilchrist is an exceptionally engaging guest, and he clearly understands his area of expertise (and many other topics besides) deeply. Thank you for sharing all this wisdom, both of you.