I got hit in crosswalk from behind by a bicyclist making a right turn after coming down a steep hill... it knocked me 5 feet forward... then on to my knees and face... there was no warning... it was in Seattle... a very bike and pedestrian friendly city...
Note: Horses and dogs are animals. If a dog (leashed or not) gets spoked and hurt someone, the owner of the animal is responsible. If a dog is not fully trained to be around people, then keep them fenced
Yes please! I have a service dog and I'm tired of seeing pets every time I go out. They are always aggressive, pulling, barking, growling, and trying to eat their owners. It's always the tiny ass dogs and doodles. There is nothing cute about having an untrained dog. Why even have a dog if you aren't going to train it? What is the point of owning an aggressive animal?
I had riders come through my land looking for “cattle” (excuse to snoop), and my dogs freaked TF out until they got close and saw how big a horse is. At which point they ran back. If I could afford to have horses I would adopt them from the mustang round up. Unfortunately, I can barely afford two dogs.
I'm a mountain biker and I can say too many bikers don't care about anyone else but themselves. I've always slowed down when passing horses or people walking the trails. Some bikers think they're in a race and slowing down would ruin their results.
I don't bike but I do go 4 wheeling. Anytime I see folks on the side of the trail, walking the trail, etc I also slow way down. Not only for safety but just so I don't kick up a bunch of dust. There is one trail I frequent that is popular with horse riders. They mostly stay off the 'main' trail since they are not required to stay on the designated trail but when I do come up to them I always stay way back or, if approaching them head on, I will stop and look for the riders to provide me input.
@@olliehopnoodle4628 Yeah we use to take our 4 wheelers out in the woods years ago and when we come upon horses sometimes we'd just turn around or stop and turn off our engines so we don't spook the horses as they pass.
@@marcuslinton310 True, but I see it more with bikers. Too many bikers have no etiquette. They think the trails belong solely to them and everyone should yield and move off the trail as they speedily pass by. They even do it to other bikers.
I’m a horse owner and was injured a few years ago from coming off my horse when it spooked. Not fun. I get it that not everyone understands how easily horses can be spooked. People see horses being fine with cars whizzing past and think they’d also be fine with a bicycle . It’s the surprise element of a quieter thing coming up fast behind them. Be safe and courteous everyone. Always wear your helmet!
People from the city move out to the country and they think it's all about them. They also think it's funny to scare the horse with their cars and motorcycles... it's entertainment for these sub humans from the city. Gosh, I dislike people more and more each day.
@@cromana5574 People LOVE to come up behind others at a high rate of speed. It's done on the public roadways all the time. People who do that have a serious brain malfunction. It's a tactic used to intimidate others. Some people really get off doing stuff like that... it's a thrill for them.
I have known my brother all my life. I am well trained never to spook when he is around, but if he jumps out of the closet at 3am, I am going to lose my marbles!! Bikers keep saying "train your horses better" but we need to train the people better
First, I’m an equestrian AND a cyclist…this INFURIATES ME that the cyclist, who EXPECTS respect and safety from drivers - as ALL cyclists do - had the vile nerve to blast by and continue on…absolutely DISGUSTING
I’m both as well and it infuriates me that the rider was on an untrained, unprepared horse. I have two standard breds in my barn right now, this man can say it was trained but i will say it was not. Some horses are flighty and shouldn’t be ridden now matter how cute a woman thinks she looks on it. There she be a state law that any horse riders must have insurance on them and their horse before riding in public.
@@lizzieb6311 I am neither an equestrian or a cyclist and it infuriates me as well. It is so incredibly selfish. It is not rocket science to realize the potential harm to the horse and fellow human being. And then keep going!!!!! WTF
@@hillbillysceptic1982-- Wow! Victim blaming much? From the gentleman's description, I'll bet that cyclist was on an e-bike. But even if not, you DO NOT blow past anyone on the road with an animal. I don't even bike fast when I see someone walking their dog so as not to trigger a chase instinct. The biker had no way of knowing whether any of the six horses were familiar with bikes or e-bikes. Without that info, it was incumbent on him to stop or at least slow down. He treated passing a group of horses the same as if he were riding past a couple of cars. And to look back and see a rider on the ground but then just take off was despicable behavior.
DEMAND respect is more like it. I appreciate cyclists who actually understand they are SHARING the roadway with others, but I rarely meet them. I must qualify stance and add that I speak as a pedestrian who had been hit, more that once, from behind, while walking on sidewalks, by cyclists who ride where they want, do not follow traffic laws, etc.
*_I grew up outside city limits... horseback riding was a very common sight then..._* there were no 'signs' alerting drivers horses might be on shoulders... people had common sense then and used good judgement and courtesy to riders... *_today common sense isn't so common anymore - sad..._*
Read the DMV Manual, it's not what you SHOULD do, but what the law says you MUST do: Stop and wait for a signal from the person riding or leading a horse, or other livestock before moving forward. I've almost been killed riding my horse on a public dirt road by people who should know better.
I’m so sorry about the human injuries, and as a small local riding instructor and a trainer, I think of the horses who will most likely/possibly have some work to do in order to be safe and solid on the trail again after this. Where we live, the cyclists, cross country skiers, and dog walkers (off leash), have started using the trials that the equestrian community established and built years ago, and now are complaining about horses because they have the right of way, their dogs run off chasing us, and they don’t like the manure being on the trail to the point that they are trying to get our equestrian trails changed to non-equestrian use.
I’ve had two incidents lately. First the guy on the bike came up so fast behind me and close enough that I could have touched his shoulder. My horse spooked with her butt underneath her that she almost went down. The guy did stop and apologize and ask if we were ok. Luckily, my horse is not a kicker because it could have been a different outcome for the guy on the bike. Then just two days ago a guy on a mountain bike came flying towards my friend and I. She put her hand up and asked him to slow but he kept coming and just waved. We were not sure how her horse would react but luckily both of our horses didn’t react. It amazes me that these individuals on bikes can be so unaware or uncaring especially when they have so many fatalities with cars. They ask that people driving cars proceed with caution when passing them but they cannot seem to connect this with their behavior around horses !
I'm a motorcyclist with a quiet muffler, and will sometimes come across horse drawn buggies. The one thing that I don't want is to spook the horse. It's just too dangerous for all of us, which includes myself. I came across a buggy between hills and had to come to a stop, mainly because I couldn't ride that slow up the hill. Once they cleared the top I caught up and carefully went around, waving as I passed.
No not really! According to NM state law pedestrians do unless they are walking down the middle of the street or jaywalking or impeding in traffic. Horses may be prohibited in pedestrian trails bicycles lanes ect. By city ordinance. In New Mexico, horses and other animals being ridden or driven are not considered vehicles, but they must follow all applicable vehicular laws. Here are some New Mexico laws that apply to horses on the road: Riding at night: It is illegal to ride a horse on a highway at night. Livestock: It is illegal to let livestock graze on a fenced highway at any time, or to drive livestock on a highway at night. Entering intersections: When approaching an intersection with a stop sign or a through highway, riders must stop and yield to other vehicles. Traffic laws: Riders and drivers of animal-drawn vehicles have the same rights and responsibilities as vehicle drivers, except where otherwise specified. Anticipating traffic: Riders should be aware of traffic hazards that might get in their way. Following pedestrian rules: Riders should follow pedestrian rules. State statue. Many other laws can take place. One has a responsibility and duty to keep a proper look out for all persons regardless of driving, walking, riding, cycling ect. You should never assume you have the right away always play it safe. Horses or any animal possess a serious threat to traffic or people because they can spook and wander. These horse owners need to know owning a horse is an expensive hobby not just care for the horse but if that horse creates damage or serious injury or death that lawsuit will be very expensive. Motorists have a lot to watch bicyclists, Pedestrians, motorcyclists, (horses) other cars and so forth. Playing it safe keeping off the road’s, trails near traffic or people is the best thing to do. And when they use the term highway it doesn’t mean just the freeway it means roads in general.
@@Bossnopoly To Horse riders yes! Horses are unpredictable animals as well as any animal or (dogs). Drivers have to many responsibilities but horse owners need to be aware of their surroundings when outside their property. Many city ordinances prohibit horses or livestock in roads, trails, bicycles lanes, public walking areas ect.
@@JS-yj4rb Yes because this excuses the number of times someone thought it would be funny to blow their horn while passing me. Far be it for me to ruin the fun simply because I do not wish to be thrown.
Know the laws. Cars and trucks have to be aware of motorcycles, bicycles, horses & pedestrians. Read the MVD booklet on road laws, to know who has the right of way. When I first moved to NM, horses were everywhere and I had to learn the differences in road laws/right of way laws between my home state and NM. Corrales has *always* had the signs posted to be aware of horses on the roads. Some of the nation's top horse breeders are along the Rio Grande, and signs reminding people to share the road with horses have been posted in multiple areas as long as I have lived here. It's not about entitlement (as several people have commented) it's about physics: Cars and trucks (and bicycles) will lose out to the sheer mass of a horse (or cow, or deer, etc) just as badly as the horses' legs will lose out to a moving vehicle. Treat horses like young kids in a school crossing zone: potentially unpredictable hazards and it's easier to prevent negative encounters than it is to put the pieces back together afterwards if you fail to anticipate and prepare for a potential disaster. There aren't as many families now as when I first moved here, where a horse is their sole means of transportation, but there are still some. They definitely aren't "entitled", they are merely trying to survive. Be polite, share the road, and don't get on the road if emotional regulation is beyond your skill set for the day. We all have rough days, don't let emotions lead to negative outcomes.
@@Lazy_Fish_Keeper I have noticed a decline in common courtesy over the years... road rage... trail rage... playground rage... short tempers... intolerance... and a 'me' attitude... really sad how far Humans have de-evolved...
@@SJR_Media_Group it's a trauma response. People are worse off than just one generation back. Food insecurity has almost doubled in the last 15 years. Housing costs have skyrocketed. And then we had a pandemic, on top of "once in a lifetime climate disasters" almost every year. People are scared, and if we want people to stop acting like traumatized, terrified 2 year olds, those of us who recognize what is happening need to step up, speak out, and lead by example on a different way of living. Because the current system is working exactly as designed, and it really isn't sustainable. People in Albuquerque (and honestly, the rest of New Mexico) have finally begun to behave with the same fear of being exploited, fear of being taken advantage of, fear of "someone else getting mine" that has defined East Coast mentality since the inception of this country. It's like watching the water go down the drain, it picks up speed as the spiral gets tighter. The Internet has offered everyone the opportunity to gain so much knowledge....but not enough people chose to learn from the past. So we are seeing the resurrection of robber barons, of monopolies, and unchecked greed.... leaving a good 80% to 90% of the population terrified of what is going to happen next. We **could** work together with the resources the state already has, build stronger unions, stop people from having to work a full time job plus 2 side hustles, and stop out of state corporations from buying up our land and water rights..... Or we can keep electing the same half dozen families, and expect different results out of the same choices. Early 90's most of the construction workers were union, Intel was booming, Sandia National Labs was almost at capacity, and the Albuquerque economy was strong. People used Tipsy Tow instead of driving drunk, bringing our fatalities down, and a single parent could work one job, pay the rent, and afford food. Yes, 30% of our students were on food stamps, because we are not a rich state, but we didn't have 40% of our students homeless at some point between kindergarten and graduation. We **can** do better. The question is, are we willing to work together to actually **do** better?
Had this happen and the terror is real. To any riders out there seeing this - note the helmets. I guarantee you that your brain is your best asset. Please protect it at all costs - even if it means bad hair!
HINT: the vast majority of cyclists on the road encounters ive had have all been NEGATIVE, they are bold pushy aggressive entitled and HOG THE ROAD and ROAR by at top speed without ANY regard for people, pets, horses etc.
@@jeannerogers7085 even on walking paths! i was once on a city walking path that was crowded with people, baby strollers, kids, and a DEER with a TINY FAWN stepped near the path, a speeding cyclist came roaring towards us, i stepped in front of him and YELLED SLOW DOWN! THE BABY!! to protect the toddlers and the fawn, he veered around me with NO CONCERN FOR ANYONE or the BABY FAWN!! and roared away at top speed.
Same thing happened to me and my friends two years ago, two of my friends were bucked off and I had a wild ride for a mile but I stayed on! No one was seriously injured! ❤
Gosh there are some nasty comments in here. Trained or not a horse is just like us, a startle is a starlte only with much more weight. When a human experiences a jump scare we are a little more verbal with some physical aspects however many animals still have prey instincts which is more of a physical reaction and some verbal if they have it. It's about respect and common sense. But what kind of terrible person wouldn't even stop to assist?
Too many bicyclists lack common road skills. I hike a lot with my dogs and maybe one out of four will ring or announce that they’re approaching you from behind. Most just blow right by, which is dangerous on a lot of narrow trails because you usually don’t even hear them until they’re right next to you.
As an avid cyclist, I see why some people want bicycles banned from many spaces. You cannot preach "share the road" and then not respond appropriately to other vehicles and animals.
So many ignorant drivers, motorcyclists, snowmobilers, bicyclists, etc, see horses as just another machine. They are thinking, feeling creatures with their own minds, who are capable of taking their own actions... suddenly and catastrophically if you startle them. It's NOT just dangerous for the rider. They can take YOU out too. Please, for the sake of everyone on the road, pay attention and just slow the hell DOWN. They have a right to be there too. It takes so little to use a modicum of common sense to keep everyone safe.
I used to ride a horse different areas… You can never predict a snake, rabbit dried sage rattling.. a piece of tin blowing. A bicyclist can use courtesy it’s sometimes a safety issue. If the horse is wearing shoes it can slip and slide on concrete.. Accidents happen and knowing some people are not courteous is a risk you take. Everyone needs to be careful and use caution and good judgement around others in a possible vulnerable situation… Common Sense!
And there will be more idiots on bikes in the future. It's the risk we take when we ride horses. Most trail riders don't know how to control a spooked animal. They need riding lessons before going on trail rides. You can blame it on the bike rider but the truth probably is the trail rider didn't know how to control their animal. Horses get spooked and they always will here and there. Be prepared for the worst. If you ride long enough it will happen.
In my area there are areas we share trails (horses)with bikes, motorcycles, atv, UTVs, hikers. Very mixed use. The majority are very respectful. Some are not. I carry a lariat for such occasions. These people want to see a wreck so they need to be at risk themselves. As soon as I see/hear them coming I have the rope in use. I've never had them pass when they see that. A few motorcycles have locked up the brakes hard to keep from getting in range. Suddenly they are polite and respectful, which is returned. The hikers that allow dogs to run ahead need to be educated as well . My horses have no fear of dogs. I fact my dogs have always given them a wide berth. The rope comes out for dogs as well. Swinging a rope fast creates a whistle that most dogs don't like and they go looking for their masters. Never had to throw a loop yet. May not have helped here. .
Horses…then hikers…then bikers. With the understanding that the second you’re aware of the other you must COMMUNICATE . With Horses I always ask for directions,” Where do you want me to wait ? Or is it safe to pass? “ If not ,accept your pace will be affected. I’ve done all three activities and trust me ,even the steadiest stock horse can spook.
I have both horses, AND am a road cyclist. I know horses don’t see the same as humans and they are FLIGHT animals. Their instinct is to run from any perceived threat. A bike or motorcycle moving up behind them too fast is a disaster waiting to happen. Horses need to see things on both sides, because they dont see things with binocular vision. They also have a blind spot directly behind them and directly in front of them. If you approach in the blind spot too quickly, they can strike or kick in defense. This guy is lucky those horses didn’t run into him and kill him. Approaching a horse too fast can cause a fatality. When I see a horse I make sure they see me and approach slowly. I also ask the rider if the horses are ok with the bike. My thoroughbred is unpredictable if something fast comes up and people need to understand different breeds of horses can be more nervous than others; for example hot-bloods. I hope they find this guy. When a car zips by a cyclist they have the same difficulty and they know better.
He will ride there again soon, guaranteed. (Bicyclist). We in the motorized off road community have known about mountain bikers for decades. Off road motorcycle clubs work with the state forest managers, and many other land managers and we do trail maintenance. HUGE amounts of money from our gasoline tax goes to maintain and repair trails. Many of the mountain bike (peddle) think they own the trail which motorized recreationists BUILT and maintain. I've NEVER heard of a peddle bicyclist doing trail maintenance. They contribute nothing to the trail fund either.
Agreed. In my local park, the riding/hiking trails are mostly maintained by the horse people. Money comes entirely from donations and occasionally grants, and the work is done by volunteers. There is a separate trail system for mountain bikes (peddle) on one side of the park. Earlier this year, it was made known that the mountain bikers are pushing to have access to more of the park trails, "sharing" with the hikers and equestrians. There is a very real safety issue here. There are some steep hills and blind curves throughout the trail they want to use. Even a MB who intends to be courteous may not be able to stop in time if they get to the bottom of one of those hills at speed.
I see bikers on trails marked for multi use, bike hike and horse, fail to yield to horses all the time. I hike and when I see horses on the trail, I stop and talk to the riders and ask them what they want me to do from a distance. Sometimes they want me to continue walking and sometimes they want to walk past with me standing to the side. I would never want to spook a horse. Both the rider and the horse an get hurt. Bikers notoriously fail to yield to horses. Horses always have the right of way.
I’ve been walking dog. And bikers, skate boarders or skaters just pass so quickly and pass before you know. If they’d just yell passing on left that would help. I was down at beach yesterday. Nice bike lanes. But there again the cars are so aggressive. And bikers on e-bikes goimg faster than cars and just wizzing by! Dangerous
Most cyclists don't know the rules of the road. They are unaware they are bound by the same rules as any motorized vehicle/car/truck. When passing a horse you are supposed to slow and give them a wide berth, but most car and truck drivers don't seem to know this, either. Some take pride in making a horse freak out. They don't understand that a horse crashing into them in a panic can kill them, as well as the horse and rider. I mean, seriously, would they deliberately hit a deer to watch it smash through their windshield? 🤔
This is a gray area. Yes, everyone should be courteous and thoughtful. Having been a horse rider and a cyclist, I’ve always felt the onus is on me to be aware. It’s my life whether on a horse or a bike. I should be cautious not to hit pedestrians and cars have to be cautious not to hit me while I obey road rules. Horse can hurt a cyclist. A cyclist can spook a horse. Preferably you keep the two separate but when you’re on a horse you accept their superior size and agility. Eventually I stopped riding
I live in the sticks and people ride their horses down the road all the time. Most of the horses were trained to tolerate traffic and it's common knowledge to slow down a little and don't honk your horn to spook the horse. But of course that's common sense which is rare these days. Hope the horse makes it ok
I'm no expert, I'm still green. We were trying out two draft horse and two cyclists decided to zoom past us. The two drafts spooked and booked, luckily though we didn't crash. Still cyclists should be more considerate when it comes to animals. Things could have turned for the worse.If it wasn't for the owners experience, things would have been bad.
Something similar happened to me years ago and it was awful. But I have to say that these are some absolutely well-groomed and taken care of horses! Look at their coats and weight! Aspen's owner probably spends hours daily grooming and brushing! Impressive!
I pray your wife continues with a steady course of recovery. I also hope everyone else including the horses are doing OK. I refuse to ride on our road due to vehicles flying by like they own the road. Extremely terrifying when things like this happen.
Horses are prey animals with a very strong instinct of fight or flight (more often than not it's flight) and a mind of its own. Just like any other living being passing on the road, we have to be mindful of them, for their safety and our own. Most people without common sense agree that crashing into a 1000lbs+ animal is not very fun.
Horses are extremely visually oriented as a species and their flight instinct is what saved their wild ancestors from becoming prey. While training for all situations is very important, it never ends. Anyone approaching a horse with or without a rider needs to be cautious and follow the rider/handler's lead. Only the handler knows enough about that horse's background and even the most "bomb proof" horse can bolt under the right conditions.
@@marcuslinton310 Yeah, this advice isn't for anti-social people who can't cooperate. OF COURSE THE HANDLER HAS NO AUTHORITY OVER YOU. This is called advice. But you can choose to HELP the situation - leading to a safe resolution; or complicate it, leading injury of horse, rider, and possibly bystanders.
@@toomignon Explain one thing the cyclist did that was against the law and cite the law please. You are essentially telling a cyclist to kiss a horse riders posterior as if they deserve special treatment over what the law says.
@@marcuslinton310Why are you so mad? It is in the law books. Need to look it up, is all. Horses are not machines, they are animals. Big difference. Who is asking you to kiss a horses arse? It is for safety.
Been all over and love animals and have hauled them but they buy a truck hook a trailer up and fly by you till they wreck and when they get to where there going they park blocking the lot so the cars are vehicles can’t get out . Horses are dangerous that are spooked easy .THE bicycles do hit people and they need a good ass whopping pedestrians trails and fast bicycles don’t mix .
This is why there should be separation between bike riders and equestrians and hikers. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve almost been hit by bike riders flying down dirt trails so fast they don’t see me in time. I just hate shared trails.
It’s called respect and being courteous. It’s also called entitlement! The person on the bike, what if that had been a child or disabled person? Karma is alive and well. How we treat each other will come through. It will come find you.
'Arrogance-Overload' is rampant among the cyclists who are stinking-up the Shared Paths out there. I've heard numerous complaints from walkers who were abused by them. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before these angry cyclists start beating-up retired ladies out for a walk who dared to use 'their' path.
I was in a shared park, horses and cyclists, dogs, walkers, joggers. I was on my horse, who was not unfamiliar with bicycles. A cyclist came speeding straight at us, my horse jumped sideways. I stayed on, my helmet protected my head from a branch. I was so mad, he had his music blaring in his ears as he sped by, totally oblivious. Horses are prey animals, it is instinct to protect themselves.
I ride and train horses. I also have been an avid cyclist for most of my life. We all need to take care of each other and be as polite as possible. For all those seeing this story, please don't take the actions of one cyclist and apply it to all cyclists. As a horseman, training can go a long way in promoting the safety. Horses will spoke and riders sometimes fall. The better prepared both horse rider are, the safer everyone is.
Truth is, we don't know the full truth in this situation. Of course they blame the biker, they want their medical bills paid, that's a very good motivation for lying about what really happened.
@@marcuslinton310 The other day I was at the ranch and my horse spooked because of a rattle snake. Everything was fine, but I don't blame the rattle snake. These people are saying that cyclists go too fast and many people in cars say that cyclists are too slow. I feel we all have to be more patient with each other. I am not certain that the cyclist even knew he was the cause. In New Mexico there is a law that states the horses is inherently dangerous and you take that risk when you are around horses.
As a bike rider, I am sincerely sorry for the accident. The rider definitely should have stopped. I doubt he was going over 25 miles per hour which should be the speed limit, but should have moved over if traffic allowed.
ive fallen off of my horse from someone being stupid and went passed me too fast and I fell off he was on a bike and I was riding a horse people NEED to slow down for horses these are living animals with herd instincts and when one thing changes they freak out please be courteous for our horses take 5 seconds and slow down for our safety don't be lazy!!
Bikers wear ear buds and listen to music. They don't hear you yelling to slow down. Umstead park here in Raleigh, NC forces horses to share all trails with bikes. They are trying to force horses out by letting speeding bikers with earbuds in spook horses daily.
is this on a trail or on a road? i often encounter horses in the bosque trail while mountain biking and i ask how to proceed from the horse riders. if i was in a car traveling on the road within the speed limit and i see horses walking by the side of the road, i would not think to stop and ask how to proceed. i would assume the horse is accustomed to roadside traffic. i have seen horses on the sidewalk on the eastbound side of Alameda right before the bridge and assumed this to be the case.
Horse rider here….the guy should have slowed down and cautiously passed BUT there’s a surprising amount of people that don’t know crap about horses or that they spook. He may of just not known and then panicked and kept going and maybe didn’t realize she got hurt. However he should of been considerate and stopped to check on them or apologize and get a lesson on horses or something.
So, in other words, he should stop and admit he is guilty of something? Guilty of what? He didn't do anything wrong. The law says yield to horses. Yield means you don't have to stop unless it's necessary. He wasn't impeding their progress whatsoever, so he yielded enough room so he can pass and off he went. He was perfectly within the law, has nothing to apologize for as if he's guilty of something.
@@marcuslinton310 did you not read my message? I pretty much sided with the biker saying he likely didn’t know anything about horses as most don’t and I don’t think he should be charged with some misdemeanor or anything of that sort but he could’ve just simply checked on them…..what’s so wrong about that? I think they went a bit over board on the whole trying to charge him with something when he’s got the freedom to ride his bike on the trail.
@@Katya.Shishkyl24 You literally said "However he should of been considerate and stopped to check on them or apologize" People only need to apologize when they are guilty of something. What exactly is the cyclist apologizing for then if you don't think they were at fault for this scenario?
There's a multi use trail near me. If I ride it, I ride it early in the morning. Normally, I'm the only one out there at that time of day. I've had too many times when I've had both bikers and joggers blow past me. I've had kids want to pet my horse and start crowding around her, or, if they're on a bike, ride it towards her.
I've gone off my horse when it was spooked by a cyclist. Horses are prey animals. Anything that approaches quickly and silently will terrify them. A person bent over on a bike can look like a bear. If you see horses, slow down, or even better stop, call out to them so they know you are human. Proceed slowly and listen to the rider.
@@marcuslinton310 I saw nowhere in this particular story where the equestrians did anything to the cyclist. In this story the horses were spooked by a cyclist, people were injured, he didn't stop to help. Not everyone knows how to behave around horses. I'm merely pointing out to people who care about not causing harm to others why horses spook at bikes and what is helpful, courteous behavior. And yes, equestrians should also be courteous. Everyone should be kind and courteous. My husband is an avid cyclist, he has had people throw garbage from their cars at him, trucks blow exhaust at him, blare horns at him when he is minding his own business in the bike lane. He was sideswiped by a car that took off. Too many jerks in the world. We live in an equestrian community and when out on his bike he is always mindful of and courteous to those out riding horses. He knows a serious accident on a bike or horse is only one jerk, or ignorant person, away.
@@maryso44 You still have no evidence that the cyclist did anything wrong. These horse riders can yell and complain and suggest the cyclist did something wrong, but prove it? They can't because he did nothing wrong. All they keep saying is that he passed them. So F'n what, passing is not against the law.
I hike an old railroad line turned into a walking and biking trail. The bicyclists by and large don't give a dam about the hikers. They don't even bother to let you know they are about to blast pass you (all it takes is a bell or a call out). One of our number got run into by a bike once and badly hurt. It probably reflects the way they drive on the road. Courtesy is a dirty word these days.
Most hikers are too F'n witless to know what a bell even means and if you yell out "on your left" or "on your right" they typically have no F'n clue which way to go and usually end up stepping in the cyclists path. So much easier to just go around and by the time the hikers even acknowledge the cyclist, they are already past.
I have NEVER in my life expected others to stop and let me give them permission to pass my horse! That is absolutely ridiculous! It's one thing when someone PURPOSELY spooks a horse and when a horse reacts like ALL prey animals do! Horses spook that is the chance you take when you ride!
Absolutely agree. Had horses much of my life. A bicycle is basic risk on urban trails. If it were a motorcycle - I'd be even more cautious. If you go out expecting others to "watch" for you - you are setting yourself up for higher risk. Train your horse better more exposure in controlled environments). Imagine if every Amish horse & buggy freaked out over a bicycle (or hat or bag). 🙄
Wow! Train your horse. Don't take your horse on the trail untrained, sounds like you are very unexperienced in horsemanship. Another thing Don't get on if you don't want to fall off. Gravity rules. Blaming someone for your f ing mistake.
I feel like any horse should be 100% traffic trained before taking it out anywhere. They can train the horse on property with their own vehicles, quads, etc. to not be reactive and stay put.
@@franklinpatterson3693 Well, aren’t you the rude dude. Instead of a horse what if that had been a small child or an older person. Left lying in the dirt. Manners are manners, and the trails aren’t just for the cyclists zooming by, everyone else jumping out of the way. Not to worry, what goes around comes around. Maybe you will graduate to a motorcycle…..see where you end up ….. 😢
Read your driver's manual, which is applicable to ANYONE using the roadways. What the cyclist did is illegal, reckless and selfish and he should be prosecuted to pay for the medical bills and be imprisoned untill he learns better.
As a cyclist and horse owner, I have to say most cyclist are considerate. Many people also don't understand there is no such thing as a bullet proof horse.
Many people have never been around horses and may not know the etiquette rules. I grew up around both and dismounted my bike and got off a trail if horses were coming. However, a yield to horses sign to those that are not familiar with horses might think the sign means in a crosswalk type situation. If I were an equestrian wanting to go on multi-use trails, I would try to acclimate them to speeding bikes beforehand and go with another calm buddy horse several times.
I'm a cyclist and I've ridden horses a lot, too. I can say that cyclists deserve the right to the roads like any other vehicle, but they seldom follow traffic laws. Many (not all) cyclists are rude and inconsiderate to cars, pedestrians and slower cyclists. I hope that whoever this biker is realizes the damage they have caused and comes forward and admits what they did and faces the music. Going forward, I hope they understand better how to obey traffic laws and be more considerate and share the road.
To borrow a lyric from the Jackson Five: One bad bicyclist don't spoil the whole bunch, girl. Some people are rude, and those people sometimes are on a bike, sometimes driving a car, or even sometimes being a pedestrian. I'm sure there are rude equestrians too. Riding horses on the shoulder of a road is pretty rare in my parts. It does not sound like a great idea on a busy route. Should every motorist "stop, wait for a signal from the rider, and then move forward slowly," as suggested in this report? The cyclist should have at least slowed way down and given the horses as wide a berth as practical.
I was walking with a group of homeschool families on a park trail. We parents told the children to go to the right to let joggers and bicyclists go by, but this time, the young children didnt move fast enough when a bicyclist didnt slow down and rode right into the young childrenas they were trying to get out of the way. The bicyclist knocked over a 6 year old boy. He wasn't badly hurt. The trail was straight ,so the bicyclist could see us, but she didnt slow down, not even for children. Bicyclists need to yeid to pedestrians and horses.
We all need to do our part and respect one another .
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first of all let's be really clear this was a roadie. cyclist with dropped handles that only ride on the road. and those guys are douchebags and arrogant.
nope. once they get on that bike and once that bike hits the pavement they're all douchebags and arrogant; you could be the nicest person off the bike but once you get on that bike you think you own that road and rules don't apply to you
The behavior of too many cyclists have made me wary of taking my family on hikes. The vast majority just come up behind us so fast and don't even try to warn us what side they are attempting to pass on (its not always on our left). Its resulted in my four year old and myself almost getting hit, we started going in from the back since its a one way trail for bikers and a two way for pedestrians, its safer because at least I can see them coming around the bends and get out of their way well before a suprise whips through. They demand respect and safety yet ignore everyone else's right to the trail.
People that don't know much about horses don't understand that they can spook so easily, I would say if you're not sure just stop and wait for the horse to pass or the rider to instruct you on how to proceed.
I was approached by a gang of ATV riders in North Port, Florida and threatened by them. One of the riders charged his ATV towards my horse... trying to harm my horse. The ATV riders have no regard for anyone or anything. It's all about them out there. FINALLY, after a few years, the lazy North Port police chased them out permanently, but not until AFTER, they damaged acres and acres of private building lots... and threatened dozens of horseback riders with physical harm.
Horses paved the way, too many folks are selfishly trying to own the road. Your mention of the hospital bill brings up a very serious issue for those of us with farms or self employed and that is the lack of affordable healthcare. My husband and I had none until the Obama plans but some states never opted in while other states attached fees and huge deductibles that made the plans out of reach for many who are working long hours. I wonder how many folks know that we farmers put our animals and kids at the top of the budgets while we resort many times to trying to self diagnose and turning to meds we have on hand (at lower costs than human equivalents) for our animals as much as possible for our own medical care.
Frankly, I am not a fan of a lot of the folks who ride bikes on the road but I struggle to understand how the bike was 'reckless'. Sounds like they just passed the horses. Or did the cyclist 'charge' the group or do something intentional to spook the horses?
You won't find equine etiquette in California on busy roads. It's not safe to ride horses on busy roads. What if it was a fast-noisy-motorcycle? Things might have been much worse.
@@buttercuptaylor7135 So you are saying that if cars are overtaking horses on a road, they must first completely stop on the road and wait for an ok to pass the horses. I live in an Amish area of Wisconsin and I have never witnessed anyone do this. Guess cops are sitting on a gold mine of tickets.
No, it really doesn't. Passing anyone, whether on a road or trail, you must do so safely. If you are in Lancaster, PA and you get stuck behind an Amish buggy going up a hill, double yellow line, you can't just pass (it's not safe). Even when approaching a horse-drawn vehicle, especially on a narrow road, the law is generally clear that the driver of the mechanical vehicle MUST yield to the horse.
@@annaqaddams9108 There's a difference between safely passing and insisting someone come to a stop and wait for permission to proceed. I'm all for safely passing
While on a trail riding I had a truck fly by and the side mirror slammed my horse in the butt. Talk about an explosion. I don’t side over now until they slow down.
But it's a bicyclist....don't you know they own the road and can do whatever they want? They don't even have to move when traffic is backed up 20 cars behind them.
Please don't paint all bicyclists with the same brush. There are plenty of people who bike with care and consideration. In fact, a majority of bicyclists do so because they are vulnerable in case of collision. You don't notice them because they are biking in a boring, ordinary way. So when a biker in the minority comes along and behaves rudely and irresponsibly, you stand up and the notice, but please don't go to extremes by thinking all cyclists are like that.
They don't have the basic courtesy of ringing a bell to let you know they are coming from behind at a high speed. What is wrong with bikers? I rode as a kid, and this was BASIC KNOWLEDGE AND COURTESY.
In the last 20 years more and more people want to make something bad happen. Prayers for all of you and the horses as we know how the horses can hang onto a bad experience.
We do not know what the biker did or did not know. His behavior to speed up after the mess he voluntarily created, and then disappear speaks to his total lack of ethics, as well as having a penchant toward criminal negligence.
@@Doc5thMech The cyclist didn't break any laws. Not aware of any laws mandating anyone to stop. Stop for horses is not the law, yield to horses is the law. Yield allows for the option to continue on the trail while giving way, or yielding, to the horses by keeping to the right of the path and giving them plenty of room. You only have to stop if this option isn't viable. In the video scenario they were on a road and all the cyclist did was pass them, he didn't interfere with them, block them, or anything. No different then him passing slow moving traffic and some nitwit gets spooked and crashes their car, not his fault.
I had a cycling education day at school in both primary and secondary school. But it's just common sense to slow down or even stop and get off if you see a horse 🐎
I thought its common sense. when I would come across a rider and their horse. I step off the trail as best I can and just wait without making sudden movements until they pass. this way I'm safe and they're safe. I have 5 horses of my own now, knowing what I know now. I did the right thing. I wish everyone had common sense.
I really don’t think that cyclist is going to come forward because he will be on the hook for $25,000 at a minimum. I’m glad all of the horses are ok and the lady wasn’t more seriously hurt. I pray she has a speedy recovery.
No he wouldn't, he had no obligation to stop. What law did he break? Please find it and quote it for me. I can save you the time, he didn't break any laws. But if you think he did, be specific please.
I never was told to be aware of horses while biking and somehow I knew to be aware, cautious and considerate. I must be a genius or sum’n
Or a decent, caring human being. Thank you.
You are a reasonable and logical person.
I was on my daily walk. A cyclist came up behind me on the sidewalk and knocked me down and never stopped. I am 75.
I got hit in crosswalk from behind by a bicyclist making a right turn after coming down a steep hill... it knocked me 5 feet forward... then on to my knees and face... there was no warning... it was in Seattle... a very bike and pedestrian friendly city...
Bet they filmed it.
I agree
That is criminal!
@@bladeofbattousai We have to wonder what happened to common sense... guess it isn't so common anymore... sad
Can we add irresponsible dog owners who think it's cute when their unleashed dogs bark and jump around a horse to the list of dangerous things?
Note: Horses and dogs are animals. If a dog (leashed or not) gets spoked and hurt someone, the owner of the animal is responsible.
If a dog is not fully trained to be around people, then keep them fenced
Yes please! I have a service dog and I'm tired of seeing pets every time I go out. They are always aggressive, pulling, barking, growling, and trying to eat their owners. It's always the tiny ass dogs and doodles. There is nothing cute about having an untrained dog. Why even have a dog if you aren't going to train it? What is the point of owning an aggressive animal?
I had riders come through my land looking for “cattle” (excuse to snoop), and my dogs freaked TF out until they got close and saw how big a horse is. At which point they ran back.
If I could afford to have horses I would adopt them from the mustang round up. Unfortunately, I can barely afford two dogs.
I'm a mountain biker and I can say too many bikers don't care about anyone else but themselves. I've always slowed down when passing horses or people walking the trails. Some bikers think they're in a race and slowing down would ruin their results.
I don't bike but I do go 4 wheeling. Anytime I see folks on the side of the trail, walking the trail, etc I also slow way down. Not only for safety but just so I don't kick up a bunch of dust. There is one trail I frequent that is popular with horse riders. They mostly stay off the 'main' trail since they are not required to stay on the designated trail but when I do come up to them I always stay way back or, if approaching them head on, I will stop and look for the riders to provide me input.
Same with horse riders, walkers, joggers, runners. Nobody cares about anyone else.
@@marcuslinton310I wouldn't say that. Equestrians are very respectful because we know things can go south really quickly.
@@olliehopnoodle4628 Yeah we use to take our 4 wheelers out in the woods years ago and when we come upon horses sometimes we'd just turn around or stop and turn off our engines so we don't spook the horses as they pass.
@@marcuslinton310 True, but I see it more with bikers. Too many bikers have no etiquette. They think the trails belong solely to them and everyone should yield and move off the trail as they speedily pass by. They even do it to other bikers.
I’m a horse owner and was injured a few years ago from coming off my horse when it spooked. Not fun. I get it that not everyone understands how easily horses can be spooked. People see horses being fine with cars whizzing past and think they’d also be fine with a bicycle . It’s the surprise element of a quieter thing coming up fast behind them. Be safe and courteous everyone. Always wear your helmet!
People from the city move out to the country and they think it's all about them. They also think it's funny to scare the horse with their cars and motorcycles... it's entertainment for these sub humans from the city. Gosh, I dislike people more and more each day.
I get spooked to, and I am just walking! No one should come up behind someone at high speed.
@@cromana5574 People LOVE to come up behind others at a high rate of speed. It's done on the public roadways all the time. People who do that have a serious brain malfunction. It's a tactic used to intimidate others. Some people really get off doing stuff like that... it's a thrill for them.
Im sorry this happened. I hope your wife heals quickly.
I have known my brother all my life. I am well trained never to spook when he is around, but if he jumps out of the closet at 3am, I am going to lose my marbles!! Bikers keep saying "train your horses better" but we need to train the people better
The most egregious thing is the biker didn't stop and check on them after the horses fell.
First, I’m an equestrian AND a cyclist…this INFURIATES ME that the cyclist, who EXPECTS respect and safety from drivers - as ALL cyclists do - had the vile nerve to blast by and continue on…absolutely DISGUSTING
I’m both as well and it infuriates me that the rider was on an untrained, unprepared horse. I have two standard breds in my barn right now, this man can say it was trained but i will say it was not. Some horses are flighty and shouldn’t be ridden now matter how cute a woman thinks she looks on it. There she be a state law that any horse riders must have insurance on them and their horse before riding in public.
@@lizzieb6311 I am neither an equestrian or a cyclist and it infuriates me as well. It is so incredibly selfish. It is not rocket science to realize the potential harm to the horse and fellow human being. And then keep going!!!!! WTF
@@Pam-ov1bv Exactly! It’s absolutely disturbing that the cyclist could blast pass the horse…see what happened as a result…and continue on. Disgusting!
@@hillbillysceptic1982-- Wow! Victim blaming much? From the gentleman's description, I'll bet that cyclist was on an e-bike. But even if not, you DO NOT blow past anyone on the road with an animal. I don't even bike fast when I see someone walking their dog so as not to trigger a chase instinct. The biker had no way of knowing whether any of the six horses were familiar with bikes or e-bikes. Without that info, it was incumbent on him to stop or at least slow down. He treated passing a group of horses the same as if he were riding past a couple of cars. And to look back and see a rider on the ground but then just take off was despicable behavior.
DEMAND respect is more like it. I appreciate cyclists who actually understand they are SHARING the roadway with others, but I rarely meet them. I must qualify stance and add that I speak as a pedestrian who had been hit, more that once, from behind, while walking on sidewalks, by cyclists who ride where they want, do not follow traffic laws, etc.
*_I grew up outside city limits... horseback riding was a very common sight then..._* there were no 'signs' alerting drivers horses might be on shoulders... people had common sense then and used good judgement and courtesy to riders... *_today common sense isn't so common anymore - sad..._*
They don't care about the trail. They dont care about the roads either. Some of the worst etiquette.
Car drivers are just as bad but a lot more deadly.
@@stevesecret2515 that saying about a hit dog always hollers seems to be at play here.
Read the DMV Manual, it's not what you SHOULD do, but what the law says you MUST do: Stop and wait for a signal from the person riding or leading a horse, or other livestock before moving forward. I've almost been killed riding my horse on a public dirt road by people who should know better.
I’m so sorry about the human injuries, and as a small local riding instructor and a trainer, I think of the horses who will most likely/possibly have some work to do in order to be safe and solid on the trail again after this.
Where we live, the cyclists, cross country skiers, and dog walkers (off leash), have started using the trials that the equestrian community established and built years ago, and now are complaining about horses because they have the right of way, their dogs run off chasing us, and they don’t like the manure being on the trail to the point that they are trying to get our equestrian trails changed to non-equestrian use.
I’ve had two incidents lately. First the guy on the bike came up so fast behind me and close enough that I could have touched his shoulder. My horse spooked with her butt underneath her that she almost went down. The guy did stop and apologize and ask if we were ok. Luckily, my horse is not a kicker because it could have been a different outcome for the guy on the bike. Then just two days ago a guy on a mountain bike came flying towards my friend and I. She put her hand up and asked him to slow but he kept coming and just waved. We were not sure how her horse would react but luckily both of our horses didn’t react. It amazes me that these individuals on bikes can be so unaware or uncaring especially when they have so many fatalities with cars. They ask that people driving cars proceed with caution when passing them but they cannot seem to connect this with their behavior around horses !
I'm a motorcyclist with a quiet muffler, and will sometimes come across horse drawn buggies. The one thing that I don't want is to spook the horse. It's just too dangerous for all of us, which includes myself. I came across a buggy between hills and had to come to a stop, mainly because I couldn't ride that slow up the hill. Once they cleared the top I caught up and carefully went around, waving as I passed.
Pedestrians and horses have right of way over bicycles.
Correct
Then there should be more education.
No not really! According to NM state law pedestrians do unless they are walking down the middle of the street or jaywalking or impeding in traffic. Horses may be prohibited in pedestrian trails bicycles lanes ect. By city ordinance.
In New Mexico, horses and other animals being ridden or driven are not considered vehicles, but they must follow all applicable vehicular laws. Here are some New Mexico laws that apply to horses on the road:
Riding at night: It is illegal to ride a horse on a highway at night.
Livestock: It is illegal to let livestock graze on a fenced highway at any time, or to drive livestock on a highway at night.
Entering intersections: When approaching an intersection with a stop sign or a through highway, riders must stop and yield to other vehicles.
Traffic laws: Riders and drivers of animal-drawn vehicles have the same rights and responsibilities as vehicle drivers, except where otherwise specified.
Anticipating traffic: Riders should be aware of traffic hazards that might get in their way.
Following pedestrian rules: Riders should follow pedestrian rules. State statue.
Many other laws can take place. One has a responsibility and duty to keep a proper look out for all persons regardless of driving, walking, riding, cycling ect. You should never assume you have the right away always play it safe. Horses or any animal possess a serious threat to traffic or people because they can spook and wander. These horse owners need to know owning a horse is an expensive hobby not just care for the horse but if that horse creates damage or serious injury or death that lawsuit will be very expensive. Motorists have a lot to watch bicyclists, Pedestrians, motorcyclists, (horses) other cars and so forth. Playing it safe keeping off the road’s, trails near traffic or people is the best thing to do. And when they use the term highway it doesn’t mean just the freeway it means roads in general.
@@Bossnopoly To Horse riders yes! Horses are unpredictable animals as well as any animal or (dogs). Drivers have to many responsibilities but horse owners need to be aware of their surroundings when outside their property. Many city ordinances prohibit horses or livestock in roads, trails, bicycles lanes, public walking areas ect.
@@JS-yj4rb Yes because this excuses the number of times someone thought it would be funny to blow their horn while passing me. Far be it for me to ruin the fun simply because I do not wish to be thrown.
Know the laws.
Cars and trucks have to be aware of motorcycles, bicycles, horses & pedestrians.
Read the MVD booklet on road laws, to know who has the right of way.
When I first moved to NM, horses were everywhere and I had to learn the differences in road laws/right of way laws between my home state and NM.
Corrales has *always* had the signs posted to be aware of horses on the roads.
Some of the nation's top horse breeders are along the Rio Grande, and signs reminding people to share the road with horses have been posted in multiple areas as long as I have lived here.
It's not about entitlement (as several people have commented) it's about physics:
Cars and trucks (and bicycles) will lose out to the sheer mass of a horse (or cow, or deer, etc) just as badly as the horses' legs will lose out to a moving vehicle.
Treat horses like young kids in a school crossing zone: potentially unpredictable hazards and it's easier to prevent negative encounters than it is to put the pieces back together afterwards if you fail to anticipate and prepare for a potential disaster.
There aren't as many families now as when I first moved here, where a horse is their sole means of transportation, but there are still some.
They definitely aren't "entitled", they are merely trying to survive.
Be polite, share the road, and don't get on the road if emotional regulation is beyond your skill set for the day. We all have rough days, don't let emotions lead to negative outcomes.
Thanks for sharing... common sense isn't so common anymore...
@@SJR_Media_Group it never was....
@@Lazy_Fish_Keeper I have noticed a decline in common courtesy over the years... road rage... trail rage... playground rage... short tempers... intolerance... and a 'me' attitude... really sad how far Humans have de-evolved...
@@SJR_Media_Group it's a trauma response.
People are worse off than just one generation back.
Food insecurity has almost doubled in the last 15 years.
Housing costs have skyrocketed.
And then we had a pandemic, on top of "once in a lifetime climate disasters" almost every year.
People are scared, and if we want people to stop acting like traumatized, terrified 2 year olds, those of us who recognize what is happening need to step up, speak out, and lead by example on a different way of living.
Because the current system is working exactly as designed, and it really isn't sustainable.
People in Albuquerque (and honestly, the rest of New Mexico) have finally begun to behave with the same fear of being exploited, fear of being taken advantage of, fear of "someone else getting mine" that has defined East Coast mentality since the inception of this country.
It's like watching the water go down the drain, it picks up speed as the spiral gets tighter.
The Internet has offered everyone the opportunity to gain so much knowledge....but not enough people chose to learn from the past.
So we are seeing the resurrection of robber barons, of monopolies, and unchecked greed.... leaving a good 80% to 90% of the population terrified of what is going to happen next.
We **could** work together with the resources the state already has, build stronger unions, stop people from having to work a full time job plus 2 side hustles, and stop out of state corporations from buying up our land and water rights.....
Or we can keep electing the same half dozen families, and expect different results out of the same choices.
Early 90's most of the construction workers were union, Intel was booming, Sandia National Labs was almost at capacity, and the Albuquerque economy was strong.
People used Tipsy Tow instead of driving drunk, bringing our fatalities down, and a single parent could work one job, pay the rent, and afford food.
Yes, 30% of our students were on food stamps, because we are not a rich state, but we didn't have 40% of our students homeless at some point between kindergarten and graduation.
We **can** do better.
The question is, are we willing to work together to actually **do** better?
@@Lazy_Fish_Keeper Thank you for comment
Had this happen and the terror is real. To any riders out there seeing this - note the helmets. I guarantee you that your brain is your best asset. Please protect it at all costs - even if it means bad hair!
HINT: the vast majority of cyclists on the road encounters ive had have all been NEGATIVE, they are bold pushy aggressive entitled and HOG THE ROAD and ROAR by at top speed without ANY regard for people, pets, horses etc.
Yup. Cyclists are too often rude and dangerous on roads.
@@jeannerogers7085 even on walking paths! i was once on a city walking path that was crowded with people, baby strollers, kids, and a DEER with a TINY FAWN stepped near the path, a speeding cyclist came roaring towards us, i stepped in front of him and YELLED SLOW DOWN! THE BABY!! to protect the toddlers and the fawn, he veered around me with NO CONCERN FOR ANYONE or the BABY FAWN!! and roared away at top speed.
Lasso
Same, always think they are better than the rest.
@@horsesonsteel6154 broom handle thrown through the wheels...
Same thing happened to me and my friends two years ago, two of my friends were bucked off and I had a wild ride for a mile but I stayed on! No one was seriously injured! ❤
Gosh there are some nasty comments in here. Trained or not a horse is just like us, a startle is a starlte only with much more weight. When a human experiences a jump scare we are a little more verbal with some physical aspects however many animals still have prey instincts which is more of a physical reaction and some verbal if they have it. It's about respect and common sense. But what kind of terrible person wouldn't even stop to assist?
Even if he didn't mean to cause the accident, what a coward to just leave the scene.
Too many bicyclists lack common road skills. I hike a lot with my dogs and maybe one out of four will ring or announce that they’re approaching you from behind.
Most just blow right by, which is dangerous on a lot of narrow trails because you usually don’t even hear them until they’re right next to you.
Cyclists don't give a shit on the trail. They want the best time and the distance cause they're the greatest.
As an avid cyclist, I see why some people want bicycles banned from many spaces. You cannot preach "share the road" and then not respond appropriately to other vehicles and animals.
So many ignorant drivers, motorcyclists, snowmobilers, bicyclists, etc, see horses as just another machine. They are thinking, feeling creatures with their own minds, who are capable of taking their own actions... suddenly and catastrophically if you startle them. It's NOT just dangerous for the rider. They can take YOU out too. Please, for the sake of everyone on the road, pay attention and just slow the hell DOWN. They have a right to be there too. It takes so little to use a modicum of common sense to keep everyone safe.
I used to ride a horse different areas…
You can never predict a snake, rabbit dried sage rattling.. a piece of tin blowing.
A bicyclist can use courtesy it’s sometimes a safety issue.
If the horse is wearing shoes it can slip and slide on concrete..
Accidents happen and knowing some people are not courteous is a risk you take.
Everyone needs to be careful and use caution and good judgement around others in a possible vulnerable situation… Common Sense!
And there will be more idiots on bikes in the future. It's the risk we take when we ride horses. Most trail riders don't know how to control a spooked animal. They need riding lessons before going on trail rides. You can blame it on the bike rider but the truth probably is the trail rider didn't know how to control their animal. Horses get spooked and they always will here and there. Be prepared for the worst. If you ride long enough it will happen.
Prayers for the lady🙏
In my area there are areas we share trails (horses)with bikes, motorcycles, atv, UTVs, hikers. Very mixed use. The majority are very respectful. Some are not. I carry a lariat for such occasions. These people want to see a wreck so they need to be at risk themselves. As soon as I see/hear them coming I have the rope in use. I've never had them pass when they see that. A few motorcycles have locked up the brakes hard to keep from getting in range. Suddenly they are polite and respectful, which is returned.
The hikers that allow dogs to run ahead need to be educated as well . My horses have no fear of dogs. I fact my dogs have always given them a wide berth. The rope comes out for dogs as well. Swinging a rope fast creates a whistle that most dogs don't like and they go looking for their masters.
Never had to throw a loop yet.
May not have helped here.
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Bicyclists are always screaming about not getting repsect on the road, but yet they show none. Horses always have the right of away.
Horses…then hikers…then bikers. With the understanding that the second you’re aware of the other you must COMMUNICATE . With Horses I always ask for directions,” Where do you want me to wait ? Or is it safe to pass? “ If not ,accept your pace will be affected. I’ve done all three activities and trust me ,even the steadiest stock horse can spook.
For the most part there are idiots on bikes who think they own the road.
I have both horses, AND am a road cyclist. I know horses don’t see the same as humans and they are FLIGHT animals. Their instinct is to run from any perceived threat. A bike or motorcycle moving up behind them too fast is a disaster waiting to happen. Horses need to see things on both sides, because they dont see things with binocular vision. They also have a blind spot directly behind them and directly in front of them. If you approach in the blind spot too quickly, they can strike or kick in defense. This guy is lucky those horses didn’t run into him and kill him. Approaching a horse too fast can cause a fatality. When I see a horse I make sure they see me and approach slowly. I also ask the rider if the horses are ok with the bike. My thoroughbred is unpredictable if something fast comes up and people need to understand different breeds of horses can be more nervous than others; for example hot-bloods. I hope they find this guy. When a car zips by a cyclist they have the same difficulty and they know better.
💔 I hope she heals well & fast.
He will ride there again soon, guaranteed. (Bicyclist). We in the motorized off road community have known about mountain bikers for decades. Off road motorcycle clubs work with the state forest managers, and many other land managers and we do trail maintenance. HUGE amounts of money from our gasoline tax goes to maintain and repair trails. Many of the mountain bike (peddle) think they own the trail which motorized recreationists BUILT and maintain. I've NEVER heard of a peddle bicyclist doing trail maintenance. They contribute nothing to the trail fund either.
Agreed. In my local park, the riding/hiking trails are mostly maintained by the horse people. Money comes entirely from donations and occasionally grants, and the work is done by volunteers. There is a separate trail system for mountain bikes (peddle) on one side of the park.
Earlier this year, it was made known that the mountain bikers are pushing to have access to more of the park trails, "sharing" with the hikers and equestrians. There is a very real safety issue here. There are some steep hills and blind curves throughout the trail they want to use. Even a MB who intends to be courteous may not be able to stop in time if they get to the bottom of one of those hills at speed.
I see bikers on trails marked for multi use, bike hike and horse, fail to yield to horses all the time. I hike and when I see horses on the trail, I stop and talk to the riders and ask them what they want me to do from a distance. Sometimes they want me to continue walking and sometimes they want to walk past with me standing to the side. I would never want to spook a horse. Both the rider and the horse an get hurt.
Bikers notoriously fail to yield to horses. Horses always have the right of way.
Same here!
I’ve been walking dog. And bikers, skate boarders or skaters just pass so quickly and pass before you know. If they’d just yell passing on left that would help. I was down at beach yesterday. Nice bike lanes. But there again the cars are so aggressive. And bikers on e-bikes goimg faster than cars and just wizzing by! Dangerous
Most cyclists don't know the rules of the road. They are unaware they are bound by the same rules as any motorized vehicle/car/truck. When passing a horse you are supposed to slow and give them a wide berth, but most car and truck drivers don't seem to know this, either. Some take pride in making a horse freak out. They don't understand that a horse crashing into them in a panic can kill them, as well as the horse and rider. I mean, seriously, would they deliberately hit a deer to watch it smash through their windshield? 🤔
This is a gray area. Yes, everyone should be courteous and thoughtful. Having been a horse rider and a cyclist, I’ve always felt the onus is on me to be aware. It’s my life whether on a horse or a bike. I should be cautious not to hit pedestrians and cars have to be cautious not to hit me while I obey road rules.
Horse can hurt a cyclist. A cyclist can spook a horse. Preferably you keep the two separate but when you’re on a horse you accept their superior size and agility. Eventually I stopped riding
Horses have priority on trails! Then Hikers, then Bicycles! Bicycles are last! Ask any forest ranger! There are signs on the trails who has priority.
I live in the sticks and people ride their horses down the road all the time. Most of the horses were trained to tolerate traffic and it's common knowledge to slow down a little and don't honk your horn to spook the horse. But of course that's common sense which is rare these days. Hope the horse makes it ok
I was riding my trail horse one day and had a bike behind us rev his engine trying to spook my horse. Luckily he didn't.
I'm no expert, I'm still green. We were trying out two draft horse and two cyclists decided to zoom past us. The two drafts spooked and booked, luckily though we didn't crash. Still cyclists should be more considerate when it comes to animals. Things could have turned for the worse.If it wasn't for the owners experience, things would have been bad.
Something similar happened to me years ago and it was awful. But I have to say that these are some absolutely well-groomed and taken care of horses! Look at their coats and weight! Aspen's owner probably spends hours daily grooming and brushing! Impressive!
Ah... I'm so sorry this happened! I hope she heals well!
I pray your wife continues with a steady course of recovery. I also hope everyone else including the horses are doing OK. I refuse to ride on our road due to vehicles flying by like they own the road. Extremely terrifying when things like this happen.
Cyclists are the worst. “Share the road” yet they don’t follow one traffic law. Not one. Their arrogance is astounding.
Horses are prey animals with a very strong instinct of fight or flight (more often than not it's flight) and a mind of its own. Just like any other living being passing on the road, we have to be mindful of them, for their safety and our own. Most people without common sense agree that crashing into a 1000lbs+ animal is not very fun.
Horses are extremely visually oriented as a species and their flight instinct is what saved their wild ancestors from becoming prey. While training for all situations is very important, it never ends. Anyone approaching a horse with or without a rider needs to be cautious and follow the rider/handler's lead. Only the handler knows enough about that horse's background and even the most "bomb proof" horse can bolt under the right conditions.
BS! The handler has no authority to tell people what to do.
@@marcuslinton310 Yeah, this advice isn't for anti-social people who can't cooperate. OF COURSE THE HANDLER HAS NO AUTHORITY OVER YOU. This is called advice. But you can choose to HELP the situation - leading to a safe resolution; or complicate it, leading injury of horse, rider, and possibly bystanders.
@@toomignon Explain one thing the cyclist did that was against the law and cite the law please. You are essentially telling a cyclist to kiss a horse riders posterior as if they deserve special treatment over what the law says.
@@marcuslinton310Why are you so mad? It is in the law books. Need to look it up, is all. Horses are not machines, they are animals. Big difference. Who is asking you to kiss a horses arse? It is for safety.
@@SandyJ4321 When you can tell me one thing the cyclist did that was against the law, I'll give your info some consideration, good luck with that.
Been all over and love animals and have hauled them but they buy a truck hook a trailer up and fly by you till they wreck and when they get to where there going they park blocking the lot so the cars are vehicles can’t get out . Horses are dangerous
that are spooked easy .THE bicycles do hit people and they need a good ass whopping pedestrians trails and fast bicycles don’t mix .
The biker needs to come forward, but we know they won’t.
This is why there should be separation between bike riders and equestrians and hikers. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve almost been hit by bike riders flying down dirt trails so fast they don’t see me in time. I just hate shared trails.
It’s called respect and being courteous. It’s also called entitlement! The person on the bike, what if that had been a child or disabled person? Karma is alive and well. How we treat each other will come through. It will come find you.
'Arrogance-Overload' is rampant among the cyclists who are stinking-up the Shared Paths out there. I've heard numerous complaints from walkers who were abused by them. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before these angry cyclists start beating-up retired ladies out for a walk who dared to use 'their' path.
I was in a shared park, horses and cyclists, dogs, walkers, joggers. I was on my horse, who was not unfamiliar with bicycles. A cyclist came speeding straight at us, my horse jumped sideways. I stayed on, my helmet protected my head from a branch. I was so mad, he had his music blaring in his ears as he sped by, totally oblivious. Horses are prey animals, it is instinct to protect themselves.
I ride and train horses. I also have been an avid cyclist for most of my life. We all need to take care of each other and be as polite as possible. For all those seeing this story, please don't take the actions of one cyclist and apply it to all cyclists. As a horseman, training can go a long way in promoting the safety. Horses will spoke and riders sometimes fall. The better prepared both horse rider are, the safer everyone is.
Truth is, we don't know the full truth in this situation. Of course they blame the biker, they want their medical bills paid, that's a very good motivation for lying about what really happened.
@@marcuslinton310 The other day I was at the ranch and my horse spooked because of a rattle snake. Everything was fine, but I don't blame the rattle snake. These people are saying that cyclists go too fast and many people in cars say that cyclists are too slow. I feel we all have to be more patient with each other. I am not certain that the cyclist even knew he was the cause. In New Mexico there is a law that states the horses is inherently dangerous and you take that risk when you are around horses.
As a bike rider, I am sincerely sorry for the accident. The rider definitely should have stopped. I doubt he was going over 25 miles per hour which should be the speed limit, but should have moved over if traffic allowed.
ive fallen off of my horse from someone being stupid and went passed me too fast and I fell off he was on a bike and I was riding a horse people NEED to slow down for horses these are living animals with herd instincts and when one thing changes they freak out please be courteous for our horses take 5 seconds and slow down for our safety don't be lazy!!
Bikers wear ear buds and listen to music. They don't hear you yelling to slow down. Umstead park here in Raleigh, NC forces horses to share all trails with bikes. They are trying to force horses out by letting speeding bikers with earbuds in spook horses daily.
is this on a trail or on a road? i often encounter horses in the bosque trail while mountain biking and i ask how to proceed from the horse riders. if i was in a car traveling on the road within the speed limit and i see horses walking by the side of the road, i would not think to stop and ask how to proceed. i would assume the horse is accustomed to roadside traffic. i have seen horses on the sidewalk on the eastbound side of Alameda right before the bridge and assumed this to be the case.
Horse rider here….the guy should have slowed down and cautiously passed BUT there’s a surprising amount of people that don’t know crap about horses or that they spook. He may of just not known and then panicked and kept going and maybe didn’t realize she got hurt. However he should of been considerate and stopped to check on them or apologize and get a lesson on horses or something.
So, in other words, he should stop and admit he is guilty of something? Guilty of what? He didn't do anything wrong. The law says yield to horses. Yield means you don't have to stop unless it's necessary. He wasn't impeding their progress whatsoever, so he yielded enough room so he can pass and off he went. He was perfectly within the law, has nothing to apologize for as if he's guilty of something.
@@marcuslinton310 did you not read my message? I pretty much sided with the biker saying he likely didn’t know anything about horses as most don’t and I don’t think he should be charged with some misdemeanor or anything of that sort but he could’ve just simply checked on them…..what’s so wrong about that? I think they went a bit over board on the whole trying to charge him with something when he’s got the freedom to ride his bike on the trail.
@@Katya.Shishkyl24 You literally said
"However he should of been considerate and stopped to check on them or apologize"
People only need to apologize when they are guilty of something. What exactly is the cyclist apologizing for then if you don't think they were at fault for this scenario?
@@marcuslinton310 Then maybe he shouldn’t apologize….😂 dude I forgot what my previous post even said.
There's a multi use trail near me. If I ride it, I ride it early in the morning. Normally, I'm the only one out there at that time of day.
I've had too many times when I've had both bikers and joggers blow past me. I've had kids want to pet my horse and start crowding around her, or, if they're on a bike, ride it towards her.
I've gone off my horse when it was spooked by a cyclist. Horses are prey animals. Anything that approaches quickly and silently will terrify them. A person bent over on a bike can look like a bear. If you see horses, slow down, or even better stop, call out to them so they know you are human. Proceed slowly and listen to the rider.
And what law dictates these actions by the cyclist?
@@marcuslinton310 You can't be courteous without a law?
@@maryso44 Wouldn't that apply to both cyclists and equestrians?
@@marcuslinton310
I saw nowhere in this particular story where the equestrians did anything to the cyclist. In this story the horses were spooked by a cyclist, people were injured, he didn't stop to help. Not everyone knows how to behave around horses. I'm merely pointing out to people who care about not causing harm to others why horses spook at bikes and what is helpful, courteous behavior. And yes, equestrians should also be courteous. Everyone should be kind and courteous. My husband is an avid cyclist, he has had people throw garbage from their cars at him, trucks blow exhaust at him, blare horns at him when he is minding his own business in the bike lane. He was sideswiped by a car that took off. Too many jerks in the world. We live in an equestrian community and when out on his bike he is always mindful of and courteous to those out riding horses. He knows a serious accident on a bike or horse is only one jerk, or ignorant person, away.
@@maryso44 You still have no evidence that the cyclist did anything wrong. These horse riders can yell and complain and suggest the cyclist did something wrong, but prove it? They can't because he did nothing wrong. All they keep saying is that he passed them. So F'n what, passing is not against the law.
I hike an old railroad line turned into a walking and biking trail. The bicyclists by and large don't give a dam about the hikers. They don't even bother to let you know they are about to blast pass you (all it takes is a bell or a call out). One of our number got run into by a bike once and badly hurt. It probably reflects the way they drive on the road. Courtesy is a dirty word these days.
Most hikers are too F'n witless to know what a bell even means and if you yell out "on your left" or "on your right" they typically have no F'n clue which way to go and usually end up stepping in the cyclists path. So much easier to just go around and by the time the hikers even acknowledge the cyclist, they are already past.
I have NEVER in my life expected others to stop and let me give them permission to pass my horse! That is absolutely ridiculous! It's one thing when someone PURPOSELY spooks a horse and when a horse reacts like ALL prey animals do! Horses spook that is the chance you take when you ride!
Absolutely agree. Had horses much of my life. A bicycle is basic risk on urban trails. If it were a motorcycle - I'd be even more cautious. If you go out expecting others to "watch" for you - you are setting yourself up for higher risk. Train your horse better more exposure in controlled environments). Imagine if every Amish horse & buggy freaked out over a bicycle (or hat or bag). 🙄
Wow!
Train your horse.
Don't take your horse on the trail untrained, sounds like you are very unexperienced in horsemanship.
Another thing Don't get on if you don't want to fall off. Gravity rules.
Blaming someone for your f ing mistake.
I feel like any horse should be 100% traffic trained before taking it out anywhere. They can train the horse on property with their own vehicles, quads, etc. to not be reactive and stay put.
@@franklinpatterson3693
Well, aren’t you the rude dude.
Instead of a horse what if that had been a small child or an older person. Left lying in the dirt.
Manners are manners, and the trails aren’t just for the cyclists zooming by, everyone else jumping out of the way.
Not to worry, what goes around comes around. Maybe you will graduate to a motorcycle…..see where you end up …..
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Read your driver's manual, which is applicable to ANYONE using the roadways. What the cyclist did is illegal, reckless and selfish and he should be prosecuted to pay for the medical bills and be imprisoned untill he learns better.
Bikers don’t care about everyone else
Same with horse riders, walkers, joggers, runners. Nobody cares about anyone else.
Exactly.
As a cyclist and horse owner, I have to say most cyclist are considerate. Many people also don't understand there is no such thing as a bullet proof horse.
Many people have never been around horses and may not know the etiquette rules. I grew up around both and dismounted my bike and got off a trail if horses were coming. However, a yield to horses sign to those that are not familiar with horses might think the sign means in a crosswalk type situation. If I were an equestrian wanting to go on multi-use trails, I would try to acclimate them to speeding bikes beforehand and go with another calm buddy horse several times.
Woah ! I am sadden to hear this happened. I hope this bike rider will be found !!
I'm a cyclist and I've ridden horses a lot, too. I can say that cyclists deserve the right to the roads like any other vehicle, but they seldom follow traffic laws. Many (not all) cyclists are rude and inconsiderate to cars, pedestrians and slower cyclists. I hope that whoever this biker is realizes the damage they have caused and comes forward and admits what they did and faces the music. Going forward, I hope they understand better how to obey traffic laws and be more considerate and share the road.
To borrow a lyric from the Jackson Five: One bad bicyclist don't spoil the whole bunch, girl. Some people are rude, and those people sometimes are on a bike, sometimes driving a car, or even sometimes being a pedestrian. I'm sure there are rude equestrians too. Riding horses on the shoulder of a road is pretty rare in my parts. It does not sound like a great idea on a busy route. Should every motorist "stop, wait for a signal from the rider, and then move forward slowly," as suggested in this report? The cyclist should have at least slowed way down and given the horses as wide a berth as practical.
I was walking with a group of homeschool families on a park trail. We parents told the children to go to the right to let joggers and bicyclists go by, but this time, the young children didnt move fast enough when a bicyclist didnt slow down and rode right into the young childrenas they were trying to get out of the way. The bicyclist knocked over a 6 year old boy. He wasn't badly hurt. The trail was straight ,so the bicyclist could see us, but she didnt slow down, not even for children. Bicyclists need to yeid to pedestrians and horses.
We all need to do our part and respect one another .
first of all let's be really clear this was a roadie. cyclist with dropped handles that only ride on the road. and those guys are douchebags and arrogant.
Some. Not all.
nope. once they get on that bike and once that bike hits the pavement they're all douchebags and arrogant; you could be the nicest person off the bike but once you get on that bike you think you own that road and rules don't apply to you
Leaving the scene of an accident is serious.
The behavior of too many cyclists have made me wary of taking my family on hikes. The vast majority just come up behind us so fast and don't even try to warn us what side they are attempting to pass on (its not always on our left). Its resulted in my four year old and myself almost getting hit, we started going in from the back since its a one way trail for bikers and a two way for pedestrians, its safer because at least I can see them coming around the bends and get out of their way well before a suprise whips through. They demand respect and safety yet ignore everyone else's right to the trail.
THE BIKER CAN BE CHARGE with $500 AND THE LADY WHO GOT HURT ALREADY HAS A BILL FROM THE HOSPITAL OF $25000. Doesn't sound right.
People that don't know much about horses don't understand that they can spook so easily, I would say if you're not sure just stop and wait for the horse to pass or the rider to instruct you on how to proceed.
I was approached by a gang of ATV riders in North Port, Florida and threatened by them. One of the riders charged his ATV towards my horse... trying to harm my horse. The ATV riders have no regard for anyone or anything. It's all about them out there. FINALLY, after a few years, the lazy North Port police chased them out permanently, but not until AFTER, they damaged acres and acres of private building lots... and threatened dozens of horseback riders with physical harm.
Oh my gosh!!
Horses paved the way, too many folks are selfishly trying to own the road. Your mention of the hospital bill brings up a very serious issue for those of us with farms or self employed and that is the lack of affordable healthcare. My husband and I had none until the Obama plans but some states never opted in while other states attached fees and huge deductibles that made the plans out of reach for many who are working long hours. I wonder how many folks know that we farmers put our animals and kids at the top of the budgets while we resort many times to trying to self diagnose and turning to meds we have on hand (at lower costs than human equivalents) for our animals as much as possible for our own medical care.
God help this woman heal and get financial recompense
Frankly, I am not a fan of a lot of the folks who ride bikes on the road but I struggle to understand how the bike was 'reckless'. Sounds like they just passed the horses. Or did the cyclist 'charge' the group or do something intentional to spook the horses?
People have lost respect for one another!
You won't find equine etiquette in California on busy roads. It's not safe to ride horses on busy roads. What if it was a fast-noisy-motorcycle? Things might have been much worse.
My uncle was nearly as saulted by a biker for just hiking the trails out by Santa rosa. The bikers out there think the trails belong to just them.
Shame on the person who did this. Prayers lifted
Common courtesy is no longer taught to children or considered by others who should know better. There needs to stiff penalties for this behavior.
This story is so unclear as to whether this took place on a trail or a road. It kind of does matter.
No, it doesn't matter. Cars and bicycles must stop and wait for the ok to move forward. Common sense and the law says so.
@@buttercuptaylor7135 So you are saying that if cars are overtaking horses on a road, they must first completely stop on the road and wait for an ok to pass the horses. I live in an Amish area of Wisconsin and I have never witnessed anyone do this. Guess cops are sitting on a gold mine of tickets.
@@senob44 YES, READ YOUR DRIVER'S MANUAL.
No, it really doesn't. Passing anyone, whether on a road or trail, you must do so safely. If you are in Lancaster, PA and you get stuck behind an Amish buggy going up a hill, double yellow line, you can't just pass (it's not safe). Even when approaching a horse-drawn vehicle, especially on a narrow road, the law is generally clear that the driver of the mechanical vehicle MUST yield to the horse.
@@annaqaddams9108 There's a difference between safely passing and insisting someone come to a stop and wait for permission to proceed. I'm all for safely passing
While on a trail riding I had a truck fly by and the side mirror slammed my horse in the butt. Talk about an explosion. I don’t side over now until they slow down.
Oh my gosh! 😮
But it's a bicyclist....don't you know they own the road and can do whatever they want? They don't even have to move when traffic is backed up 20 cars behind them.
Please don't paint all bicyclists with the same brush. There are plenty of people who bike with care and consideration. In fact, a majority of bicyclists do so because they are vulnerable in case of collision. You don't notice them because they are biking in a boring, ordinary way. So when a biker in the minority comes along and behaves rudely and irresponsibly, you stand up and the notice, but please don't go to extremes by thinking all cyclists are like that.
They don't have the basic courtesy of ringing a bell to let you know they are coming from behind at a high speed. What is wrong with bikers? I rode as a kid, and this was BASIC KNOWLEDGE AND COURTESY.
In the last 20 years more and more people want to make something bad happen. Prayers for all of you and the horses as we know how the horses can hang onto a bad experience.
Cyclists just cant along with any form of transportation. Rude to cars, horses, and pedestrians.
The biker obviously knew nothing about horses. It's... the 21st Century.
We do not know what the biker did or did not know. His behavior to speed up after the mess he voluntarily created, and then disappear speaks to his total lack of ethics, as well as having a penchant toward criminal negligence.
@@Doc5thMech The cyclist didn't break any laws. Not aware of any laws mandating anyone to stop. Stop for horses is not the law, yield to horses is the law. Yield allows for the option to continue on the trail while giving way, or yielding, to the horses by keeping to the right of the path and giving them plenty of room. You only have to stop if this option isn't viable. In the video scenario they were on a road and all the cyclist did was pass them, he didn't interfere with them, block them, or anything. No different then him passing slow moving traffic and some nitwit gets spooked and crashes their car, not his fault.
Note: this was on an 'Equestrian' path with a 'HORSE' 🐎 sign 😶 ...personally I don't ride on public roads as I don't trust people
I had a cycling education day at school in both primary and secondary school. But it's just common sense to slow down or even stop and get off if you see a horse 🐎
That cyclist did not even stop after he saw accident.👀Shame on him!
I thought its common sense. when I would come across a rider and their horse. I step off the trail as best I can and just wait without making sudden movements until they pass. this way I'm safe and they're safe. I have 5 horses of my own now, knowing what I know now. I did the right thing. I wish everyone had common sense.
I have no use for bikers here in our state. They ride designated horse trails and are clueless and could not care less.
I really don’t think that cyclist is going to come forward because he will be on the hook for $25,000 at a minimum. I’m glad all of the horses are ok and the lady wasn’t more seriously hurt. I pray she has a speedy recovery.
No he wouldn't, he had no obligation to stop. What law did he break? Please find it and quote it for me. I can save you the time, he didn't break any laws. But if you think he did, be specific please.