I'm very much looking forward to space age cosmere and can't wait for our first glimpse of it in Emberdark. Fully expecting it to be a cosmere Firefly.
I think the 17th shard is probably a research society. People doing science for science's sake. I think they are looking for hoid because he is a huge repository of forgotten knowledge.
The Roshar system has enough planets between the three planets, three moons, and 10 gas giants. I imagine the Rosharan system is armed to the teeth and heavily secured
One thing bothers me, and it has to do with the Sunlit Man Malwish language thing. We know from multiple books and the Sunlit Man itself that if you use Connection for translation, your native language is replaced by the language of the land that you are present in. If Malwish would be the dominant language on Scadrial, it would be native for most people. Therefore it would be replaced by the language that people on Canticle use (provided that the Timekeepers are using Connection, which is more than probable.) My point is that if the rules apply, Malwish is the Second language of Scadrial.
Being "the second language" in this case actually asserts Malwish dominance as a lingua franca in the way English is on Earth. It could very well be those timekeepers are native Basinites, yet Malwish is a mandatory part of their curriculum.
No, the fact they start in Malwish then immediately switch to Canticlite Threnodese (?) implies the speaker wasn't using Connection at first thus speaking native Malwish but when that failed tapped Connection to communicate with Sigzil.
Listening to you talk about the dominance of Malwish ... there was a period when French was the language everyone had to speak to communicate. That's where the phrase "lingua franca" comes from. Currently it's English, but England is no longer a world-dominating power. I can see Brandon playing on that and having Malwish be used throughout the Cosmere, even after the original culture was destroyed or absorbed. Or not, he's unpredictable.
I think they could also call themselves the 17th Shard because each of the Shards represents one of the virtues of Adonalsium, and their prime directive is presumably what they consider to be one of those virtues. Non-intervention is kind of an expression of the free will God/Adonalsium gave to mortals. I also don't think they're necessarily against different systems interacting with each other, they are probably against Shardic influence as well as the influence of pre-Shattering people like Hoid, as Grace said. It might not even be the fact that Hoid is pre-Shattering, but that he is a former Dawnshard and he's meddling on a Shard-level.
I mean I think it's obvious what the 17th Shard are up to, they do not interfere and just chill in Shadesmar and record podcasts as well as edit the coppermind wiki. Isn't that canon?
We are told the Ghostbloods recruit from the 17th Shard and Demoux would already be sympathetic to them given his Kelsier fanboying and yet seemingly is unaffiliated. Do we think it is because of Demoux's own incompetence? I mean he was on Roshar for multiple years looking for Hoid and seemingly never checked the Alethi court?
Also regarding anti-light weapons we can get an initial arms race which then culminates in some kind of non-proliferation treaty. Like the big powers with that technology wouldn't use it against each other. And the threat will be of smaller rogue factions, secret societies and such using it, sorta like how a dirty bomb used by terrorists would still be a threat.
Yay! I think this is my first time correctly guessing a WTCC on my first guess (on the second clue, I passed on the first clue). It was the first WTCC 😊
I think the problem with Light-Antilight bombs is going to be efficiency and engineering your way to greater efficiency for it to be a viable weapon compared to thermonuclear weapons. Imagine you have to containers linked by a tube, you have Light in one and anti-light in another. Open the valves for the lights to mix and explode in the tube. As soon as even a little bit of the two interact the whole contraption would explode phshing away the rest of the material and making it incredibly inefficient. The investiture would need to be kept at high pressure and realsed at such pressures for maximum mixing at the same time. The material for the contraption would need to resist at least that initial explosion for more time for the lights to mix. It's kinda complicated.
“Their more defining feature is their website” is hilarious shade. To be fair the 17th Shard are doing their job fantastically by being MIA (minus the little plague incident).
I think Urithiru will become a space/cognitive realm ship, and that is how they will transport as well give power to their armies. Maybe knight radiants learn to draw power from tower light?
1:49 Efficient as Brandon is, it is necessary to get more authors involved. I was surprised in that UA-cam video a few months ago where it was said that Dragonsteel might be one of the outsourced books. I’ll say I would like that one sooner than later but it does feel weird that Sanderson might not write the first major Hoid series.
I want to know how it is going to go down when other planets interact and find out that one guy (hoid) has had varying level of influences / interactions with planets all over the universe and get together and complain about him
In Rhythym of War we saw Navani create anti-light/investiture. Now I was thinking of uses for this anti investiture other than the obvious ones and remembered. Investiture comes in three forms Solid, Gas and Liquid. This must mean anti-light could also be anti-shardblades. Anti-investiture could be in these different forms. Then I thought, what if Roshar created an arm of military that specializes in just this? Armor and weapons made from solid anti-investiture. If anti-investiture was left there for a long period of time, would it gain sentience and become anti-spren? Could they then use these for anti investiture fabrials? What are your thoughts?
Problem with Anti- Investiture is you need to intentionaly make it, it is not just replenishing like normal Investiture. So its not likely to gather enough Investiture to gain sapience. Also, if you want to use Anti- Investiture, you need specific type, so it can be hard to get Investiture from your oponents planet.
1:30:00 we have a WOB that any anti-Investiture will react with any Investiture, but the effect is the most violent when they're of the same Shard. Idk if he's since gone back on that or not
So far we've only seen antilights, so anti gaseus investiture, im pretty sure metalic and liquid investiture wouldnt have easy to make anti-investiture. Also i doubt anti stormlight (or anti-towerlight) could effect a metalic investiture like a shardblade.
I have a theory that sazed will realize what the 17th shard stands for and will try to join forces with them (sazed struggle to use 2 opposute forces and deciding that he wants to just do nothing seems in line with the 17th shard)
I’m sure this may exist as a theory already but what if they (1/2 of the Cosmere) realize that having attributes of Adonalsium as separate entities ex: Odium, isn’t great and that if all 16 shards are destroyed, it brings him back. So then the other 1/2 of the Cosmere wants to keep their god (cultivation / autonomy / etc) so that’s where the future conflict comes from?…
Roshar isn’t really the only planet with a relationship to rhythms. Scadrial has the Well/Allomantic pulses. Nalthis has the Iridescent Tones. If you can figure out how to invert those it should be as easy to create those planets’ anti-investiture as it is on Roshar.
Though this is true, and very good catch on Iridescent Tones for sure, the Well is a fairly unique construct that I don't think exists in the post-Catacendric world on Scadrial. So I still think it's not going to be easy to get it at first for the Scadrians. I'm sure by the time space age hits they have figured it out, but probably Rosharans have an edge for a while. -Eric
@@17thShard I think the issue with Scadrial is they don’t have (known) concentrations of investiture anymore but assuming one could concentrate what is left of the Mists post catacendre and maybe contain it I think they be able to basically create anti mist the same way Roshar does anti light. If you can’t tell I’m Lacrossedeamon on the coppermind.
1:12:10 We have Todium, why not Tadonalsium? If Adonalsium is reformed, my theory is that it won't be OG adonalsiumjust Taravangian holding all 16 shards I prefer the version where the Shards all die, though.
I definitely think we’ll see a much stronger degree of globalization and maybe even some homogenization in later eras of Scadrial. Like how the Terris still have maintained their cultural and ethnic identity in era 2 but there’s a ton of intermarriage going on. Suggested by the number of twinborn we see at least. I imagine we’d be getting something similar to that on a global scale between the northerners and southerners whether the southerners become dominant or not. Side note, do we have a cultural or ethnic name for the non-Terris northern scadrians?
I don't believe so, but I could see a name emerging from the fact they all are descended from thr Elendel Basin, so we could go with Elendel as the geberic adjective. So it be something like: the three races of Scadriel are the Elendel, the Terris, and the Malwish.
@@HSuper_Lee true. Though I doubt they’d stick with something basin related. Just because we’ve kinda got an emerging city-state thing going on by the end of era 2. Like how Sparta and Athens didn’t really consider themselves the same people but to us, they were all ancient Greeks. I think I’m gonna try to ask Brandon if I ever get the chance
@@juanperret7044 Interesting I had assumed after the Ashynites due to Ashynites seemingly bring the Dawnshard and then the Sleepless tracking it down to protect it.
Afterthought! Did someone from this world's Seventeenth Shard ever give Brandon a cold? Is he gently joshing you folks with having your fictional counterparts spreading disease? Is it just a reference to con crud?
I'm rereading Warbreaker for the first time (apparently, I've reread SLA and all of the Mistborn books, but never Warbreaker it seems) but what is there to say about Fafen exactly? Am I'm missing some deep secret lore?
At this point I think and I fear at the same time that the cosmere is like Matrix and just a simulation. Shards are 16 submachines of the original AI machine running the whole simulation. I hate this idea personally.
I love that Eric is called Chaos and yet he hates the chaotic energy so much.
I'm just that chaotic -Eric
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Eric underestimates how many of us watch FOR the chaos instead of in spite of it
Exactly. I’m here for it.
Rosharans are gonna be like no you dont see we MUST conquer you in order to PROTECT you
😂😂 For real though
If Honor + Odium = War, I think ‘War + Cultivation = Conquest’ (or Empire) is possible.
@@Sheija my exact thoughts
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I'm very much looking forward to space age cosmere and can't wait for our first glimpse of it in Emberdark. Fully expecting it to be a cosmere Firefly.
I think the 17th shard is probably a research society. People doing science for science's sake. I think they are looking for hoid because he is a huge repository of forgotten knowledge.
They sound like the Watchers from Highlander. My guess is the vessel of Adalnasium is still alive and immortal like Hoid. He/She runs the 17th shard.
The Roshar system has enough planets between the three planets, three moons, and 10 gas giants. I imagine the Rosharan system is armed to the teeth and heavily secured
I love how Evgeni starts episodes xD
"Save Mare" is hilarious
I'm going to Scadriel and getting the Miles Hundredlives package. A gold ferring implant and a gold spike allomantic earring.
One thing bothers me, and it has to do with the Sunlit Man Malwish language thing.
We know from multiple books and the Sunlit Man itself that if you use Connection for translation, your native language is replaced by the language of the land that you are present in.
If Malwish would be the dominant language on Scadrial, it would be native for most people. Therefore it would be replaced by the language that people on Canticle use (provided that the Timekeepers are using Connection, which is more than probable.)
My point is that if the rules apply, Malwish is the Second language of Scadrial.
1000% agree, you are so right, I was just about to comment about that lol
Being "the second language" in this case actually asserts Malwish dominance as a lingua franca in the way English is on Earth. It could very well be those timekeepers are native Basinites, yet Malwish is a mandatory part of their curriculum.
No, the fact they start in Malwish then immediately switch to Canticlite Threnodese (?) implies the speaker wasn't using Connection at first thus speaking native Malwish but when that failed tapped Connection to communicate with Sigzil.
@@zenrythebard5587 "Lingua Malwa" as it were
@@obviousalias132why couldn't they just be bilingual?
Listening to you talk about the dominance of Malwish ... there was a period when French was the language everyone had to speak to communicate. That's where the phrase "lingua franca" comes from. Currently it's English, but England is no longer a world-dominating power. I can see Brandon playing on that and having Malwish be used throughout the Cosmere, even after the original culture was destroyed or absorbed. Or not, he's unpredictable.
I think they could also call themselves the 17th Shard because each of the Shards represents one of the virtues of Adonalsium, and their prime directive is presumably what they consider to be one of those virtues. Non-intervention is kind of an expression of the free will God/Adonalsium gave to mortals. I also don't think they're necessarily against different systems interacting with each other, they are probably against Shardic influence as well as the influence of pre-Shattering people like Hoid, as Grace said. It might not even be the fact that Hoid is pre-Shattering, but that he is a former Dawnshard and he's meddling on a Shard-level.
I mean I think it's obvious what the 17th Shard are up to, they do not interfere and just chill in Shadesmar and record podcasts as well as edit the coppermind wiki. Isn't that canon?
We are told the Ghostbloods recruit from the 17th Shard and Demoux would already be sympathetic to them given his Kelsier fanboying and yet seemingly is unaffiliated. Do we think it is because of Demoux's own incompetence? I mean he was on Roshar for multiple years looking for Hoid and seemingly never checked the Alethi court?
Also regarding anti-light weapons we can get an initial arms race which then culminates in some kind of non-proliferation treaty. Like the big powers with that technology wouldn't use it against each other. And the threat will be of smaller rogue factions, secret societies and such using it, sorta like how a dirty bomb used by terrorists would still be a threat.
Yay! I think this is my first time correctly guessing a WTCC on my first guess (on the second clue, I passed on the first clue). It was the first WTCC 😊
I think the problem with Light-Antilight bombs is going to be efficiency and engineering your way to greater efficiency for it to be a viable weapon compared to thermonuclear weapons.
Imagine you have to containers linked by a tube, you have Light in one and anti-light in another. Open the valves for the lights to mix and explode in the tube. As soon as even a little bit of the two interact the whole contraption would explode phshing away the rest of the material and making it incredibly inefficient. The investiture would need to be kept at high pressure and realsed at such pressures for maximum mixing at the same time. The material for the contraption would need to resist at least that initial explosion for more time for the lights to mix. It's kinda complicated.
“Their more defining feature is their website” is hilarious shade. To be fair the 17th Shard are doing their job fantastically by being MIA (minus the little plague incident).
1:35:05 holy shit what if they could bring the Storms with them
Let's storming gooooooooooo!
I'm with Eric on the definitive ending.
I think Urithiru will become a space/cognitive realm ship, and that is how they will transport as well give power to their armies. Maybe knight radiants learn to draw power from tower light?
Spoiler from early relased chapters of Stormlight 5.
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Radiants can use Towerlight right away and are fueled constantly in Urithiru, but they are limited to Tower and some region around.
1:49 Efficient as Brandon is, it is necessary to get more authors involved. I was surprised in that UA-cam video a few months ago where it was said that Dragonsteel might be one of the outsourced books. I’ll say I would like that one sooner than later but it does feel weird that Sanderson might not write the first major Hoid series.
I don't remember this video you're referring to. Do you remember which it was? -Eric
I want to know how it is going to go down when other planets interact and find out that one guy (hoid) has had varying level of influences / interactions with planets all over the universe and get together and complain about him
In Rhythym of War we saw Navani create anti-light/investiture. Now I was thinking of uses for this anti investiture other than the obvious ones and remembered. Investiture comes in three forms Solid, Gas and Liquid.
This must mean anti-light could also be anti-shardblades.
Anti-investiture could be in these different forms. Then I thought, what if Roshar created an arm of military that specializes in just this?
Armor and weapons made from solid anti-investiture.
If anti-investiture was left there for a long period of time, would it gain sentience and become anti-spren?
Could they then use these for anti investiture fabrials?
What are your thoughts?
Problem with Anti- Investiture is you need to intentionaly make it, it is not just replenishing like normal Investiture. So its not likely to gather enough Investiture to gain sapience. Also, if you want to use Anti- Investiture, you need specific type, so it can be hard to get Investiture from your oponents planet.
Could fainlife be another space age force? We know they're offworld from Yumi.
"Foolish mortal, Eric"? Is that an Ultima reference?
1:23:19 so that is basically how Narnia series ends so it’s not a complete impossibility lol
Frost might be to the 17th Shard as Heralds are to their respective Orders
1:30:00 we have a WOB that any anti-Investiture will react with any Investiture, but the effect is the most violent when they're of the same Shard. Idk if he's since gone back on that or not
I wonder if the sleepless could develop prosthetics cheaper than regrowth.
So far we've only seen antilights, so anti gaseus investiture, im pretty sure metalic and liquid investiture wouldnt have easy to make anti-investiture.
Also i doubt anti stormlight (or anti-towerlight) could effect a metalic investiture like a shardblade.
I have a theory that sazed will realize what the 17th shard stands for and will try to join forces with them (sazed struggle to use 2 opposute forces and deciding that he wants to just do nothing seems in line with the 17th shard)
Could a dawnshard fit in a flute..?
I’m sure this may exist as a theory already but what if they (1/2 of the Cosmere) realize that having attributes of Adonalsium as separate entities ex: Odium, isn’t great and that if all 16 shards are destroyed, it brings him back. So then the other 1/2 of the Cosmere wants to keep their god (cultivation / autonomy / etc) so that’s where the future conflict comes from?…
Roshar isn’t really the only planet with a relationship to rhythms. Scadrial has the Well/Allomantic pulses. Nalthis has the Iridescent Tones. If you can figure out how to invert those it should be as easy to create those planets’ anti-investiture as it is on Roshar.
Though this is true, and very good catch on Iridescent Tones for sure, the Well is a fairly unique construct that I don't think exists in the post-Catacendric world on Scadrial. So I still think it's not going to be easy to get it at first for the Scadrians. I'm sure by the time space age hits they have figured it out, but probably Rosharans have an edge for a while. -Eric
@@17thShard I think the issue with Scadrial is they don’t have (known) concentrations of investiture anymore but assuming one could concentrate what is left of the Mists post catacendre and maybe contain it I think they be able to basically create anti mist the same way Roshar does anti light.
If you can’t tell I’m Lacrossedeamon on the coppermind.
Hah! That makes sense. I was having a bit of deja vu considering our conversation on Discord about this. Cheers! -Eric
1:12:10
We have Todium, why not Tadonalsium? If Adonalsium is reformed, my theory is that it won't be OG adonalsiumjust Taravangian holding all 16 shards
I prefer the version where the Shards all die, though.
Aethernalsium Crow gets all the Shards
Tadonalsium is basically Thanos with the infinity gauntlet on steroids
I definitely think we’ll see a much stronger degree of globalization and maybe even some homogenization in later eras of Scadrial. Like how the Terris still have maintained their cultural and ethnic identity in era 2 but there’s a ton of intermarriage going on. Suggested by the number of twinborn we see at least. I imagine we’d be getting something similar to that on a global scale between the northerners and southerners whether the southerners become dominant or not. Side note, do we have a cultural or ethnic name for the non-Terris northern scadrians?
I don't believe so, but I could see a name emerging from the fact they all are descended from thr Elendel Basin, so we could go with Elendel as the geberic adjective. So it be something like: the three races of Scadriel are the Elendel, the Terris, and the Malwish.
@@HSuper_Lee true. Though I doubt they’d stick with something basin related. Just because we’ve kinda got an emerging city-state thing going on by the end of era 2. Like how Sparta and Athens didn’t really consider themselves the same people but to us, they were all ancient Greeks. I think I’m gonna try to ask Brandon if I ever get the chance
Who do we think arrived first on Roshar? Sleepless or Iriali (assuming Ashynites predated both).
@obviousalias132 I don't assume that I would guess Sleepless -> Ashynites -> Iriali
@@juanperret7044 Interesting I had assumed after the Ashynites due to Ashynites seemingly bring the Dawnshard and then the Sleepless tracking it down to protect it.
Who should Henry Cavill play in the Cosmere? if we maintain a fancast perhaps we can unite brandon and henry with a future role
Wouldn't killing all the gods create gods of awoken investiture? Never mind unchained bondsmiths.
Afterthought! Did someone from this world's Seventeenth Shard ever give Brandon a cold? Is he gently joshing you folks with having your fictional counterparts spreading disease? Is it just a reference to con crud?
Cool, not the next episode, but fafen episode when?
When we really need to faff around, of course -Eric
I'm rereading Warbreaker for the first time (apparently, I've reread SLA and all of the Mistborn books, but never Warbreaker it seems) but what is there to say about Fafen exactly?
Am I'm missing some deep secret lore?
At this point I think and I fear at the same time that the cosmere is like Matrix and just a simulation. Shards are 16 submachines of the original AI machine running the whole simulation. I hate this idea personally.
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