A Curious And Fascinating Geometry Problem

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  • @geoninja8971
    @geoninja8971 3 роки тому +778

    I just thought of the animation you showed at the end, and figured it must be 1/2....nice proof though....

  • @armacham
    @armacham 3 роки тому +256

    Cheat method to solve: when a problem is phrased like this, it suggests that you will get the same answer no matter what values are used for A and B. So you can pick convenient values. You could set A = 0, and then B fills up exactly half the of the circle. Or you can set A = B, and it's a very convenient shape to look at (both semi-circles fit into a square in the middle of the circle).

    • @peterromero284
      @peterromero284 3 роки тому +11

      That’s what I realized too.

    • @binashah3106
      @binashah3106 3 роки тому

      Thanks man

    • @JoeBorrello
      @JoeBorrello 3 роки тому

      Yep

    • @chrisflanagan7564
      @chrisflanagan7564 3 роки тому +7

      First I realised that the area must be constant, then I adjusted my view and realized when one semicircle was infinitesimal the others base must be the diameter of the circle.
      Then, for some reason I didn't just say "oh that means it's half" but instead realised if I went the other way and made both semicircles equal in size they would fit the square that fits in the circle.
      Then I messed up the maths and ended up with a nonsensical answer.

    • @tecker7454
      @tecker7454 3 роки тому +7

      Yes, but it would be lacking proper mathematical problem development, therefore you would only be answering for two particular cases, not solving as a whole (although here it's indifferent).
      Many teachers would not accept that as a correct answer.

  • @ankitarsh1917
    @ankitarsh1917 3 роки тому +878

    Indians be like, he got this idea from Unacademy logo🤣🤣

  • @jenshub
    @jenshub 3 роки тому +5

    I really don’t understand what people do not like about math. It’s so cool to discover these sorts of things

  • @MaxMathGames
    @MaxMathGames 3 роки тому +11

    I was waiting for the animation at the end and that's what intrigues me the most. 👍👍👍👏👏👏

  • @PuzzleAdda
    @PuzzleAdda 3 роки тому

    This is one of the best puzzle video, I have seen on MindYourDecisions.

  • @Akrna47
    @Akrna47 3 роки тому +100

    I figured it out by imagining the case when a = 0 and got to 1/2

    • @theb4stguy332
      @theb4stguy332 3 роки тому +2

      same..

    • @takix2007
      @takix2007 3 роки тому +21

      Same here.
      Intuition is not proof though; although the question heavily implies it, initially we do not know that the area is the same regardless of the radii of the semi-circles.

    • @cigmorfil4101
      @cigmorfil4101 3 роки тому +11

      There's the assumption that as no lengths are given for a & b and it's solvable that it holds for all a & b >= 0, which means you can use a limit condition of a (or b) = 0.

    • @takix2007
      @takix2007 3 роки тому +6

      @@cigmorfil4101 no, you cannot prove it that way. You can "guess" the result and then try to prove it regardless of the radii; but the question could be wrong in what it implies and makes you assume wrong conclusions. For example, "given an ellipse with a and b as its long and short axes, what is its perimeter and area?" You would reason that since a circle's area is pi*r*r and its perimeter is pi*(r+r), and given that a a and b have the "same role" as the circle's radius, the logical answers would be pi*a*b (true) and pi*(a+b) (false). It does works for particular cases : a point, where a=b=0, a circle, where a=b=r, and a parabola, where a= infinity... but it is not true for the general case.

    • @cigmorfil4101
      @cigmorfil4101 3 роки тому +1

      @@takix2007
      I didn't say it proved it, but using the limiting conditions makes those assumptions.

  • @latentspaceexplorer
    @latentspaceexplorer 3 роки тому +1

    There is a beautiful alternative trigonometry solution.
    You express both radii a and b of the semicircles as r*cos(alpha) and r*cos(beta), where r is the radius of the big circle. With symmetry you can show that cos(beta)=sin(alpha). With the formula sin(alpha)^2+cos(alpha)^2=1 you get
    Area = 1/2pi*a^2 + 1/2pi*b^2
    = 1/2pi*r^2 * (sin(alpha)^2 + cos(alpha)^2)
    =1/2

  • @satishchaudhary7978
    @satishchaudhary7978 3 роки тому +88

    My favourite right angle theorem! The comments have influenced him😂

    • @piman9280
      @piman9280 3 роки тому +7

      ..... and it's a far more preferable name for it!

    • @anitaagrawal7188
      @anitaagrawal7188 3 роки тому +2

      Ikr

    • @satishchaudhary7978
      @satishchaudhary7978 3 роки тому +7

      @@piman9280 Agreed, atleast it stopped the incessant argument about the theorem's name

    • @acesibl6494
      @acesibl6494 3 роки тому +6

      When he got to this part, I was ready with dislike button - but it was a surprise

    • @zitools
      @zitools 3 роки тому +1

      @@satishchaudhary7978 i'm outta the loop. whats the argument? pythagoras or the earlier indian dude?

  • @tamirerez2547
    @tamirerez2547 3 роки тому

    Amazing!!
    No matter what are the radiuses of the two semicircles, they will always have togheder an area of half of the big circle!!
    The GRAPHIC illustration at the end of the video is great!!

  • @L1N3R1D3R
    @L1N3R1D3R 3 роки тому +30

    1:33 Presh Talwalkar for Smash Bros. confirmed.

    • @linus6718
      @linus6718 3 роки тому

      *Presh Talwalkar MINDS his decisions!*

  • @udaysingh5167
    @udaysingh5167 3 роки тому +130

    Plot Twist : Unacedmy sponsored this video 😂😂

  • @NestorAbad
    @NestorAbad 3 роки тому +7

    My solution, using the inscribed angle-central angle theorem: ibb DOT co SLASH 9YqGHTC (please replace DOT and SLASH by . and / respectively; it seems that UA-cam doesn't like links in the comments.)
    As the central angle is 90º, the two shaded triangles must be congruent (they have same hypothenuse R and same angles).
    So, the result follows quickly.
    Thanks for sharing!

    • @hansondesa188
      @hansondesa188 3 роки тому

      Oh good

    • @manveshdwivedi9329
      @manveshdwivedi9329 3 роки тому +1

      How 5 days ago if this is 30 seconds ago ?

    • @utsab2010
      @utsab2010 3 роки тому

      @@manveshdwivedi9329 ikr ?!!?

    • @h3xhexagonvn211
      @h3xhexagonvn211 3 роки тому

      @@manveshdwivedi9329 he's a patreon supporter so he has early access to this video

    • @GM-kj7sy
      @GM-kj7sy 3 роки тому

      @@h3xhexagonvn211 ohhhh

  • @corneliumodilca8795
    @corneliumodilca8795 3 роки тому +1

    Hi, please find below another way for solving. If we consider A1A2 and B1B2 the parallel diameters of the two semicircles, X the tangent point and O the center of the circle of radius R that contains them, we will have:
    -the angle A1B2B1 equals 45 degrees (from the isosceles triangle XB2B)
    -this angle with the tip on the circle subscribes the same chords as the center angle A1OB1 so this will be 90 degrees.
    -The right triangles A1XB1 and A1OB1 have the common side A1B1 (hypotenuse). Thus (A1B1) exp2 = 2 (a) exp2 + 2 (b) exp2 = 2 (R) exp2.
    Result: (a) exp2 + (b) exp2 = (R) exp2. So the area of ​​the two semicircles is half the area of ​​the circle that contains them

  • @MatemaKita
    @MatemaKita 3 роки тому +253

    Look like Asean Logo 😁

  • @DeclanMBrennan
    @DeclanMBrennan 3 роки тому +1

    Here's another sneaky way to do it:
    (1) Replace the two half circles with isosceles triangles of width 2a and height a (and width 2b and height b) The base angle of both these triangles is 45%.
    (2) Swing around one of these triangles maintaining its bases contacts with the circle until it kisses the other triangle.
    (3) We now have an angle of 45+45= 90 between the two chords (bases of the triangles). Draw a line between the other ends of the chords which will give us a hypothenuse which is also a diameter of the circle.
    (4) Bring back the two semicircles but this time place them on the outside of the chords (just for neatness sake). We already have a semicircle on the hypothenuse which is half the original circle.
    (5) Finally we have our proof using the area of the semicircle on the hypothenuse is the sum of the areas of the semicircles on the other two sides - yes Pythagoras doesn't just work with squares- honest.

  • @xundansingh5618
    @xundansingh5618 3 роки тому +260

    Legend know this question was promotion of unacademy 😂😂

  • @EddieDraaisma
    @EddieDraaisma 3 роки тому +2

    Connect the two bases of the semicircles with two diagonal chords and two outer chords (length called p). Inscribed angle of an outer chord is 45 deg, so central angle of an outer chord is 90 deg. So p^2 = 2.r^2 = (a+b)^2+(a-b)^2; r^2 = a^2 + b^2; 0.5.pi.(a^2+b^2) = 0.s.(pi.r^2); area of semicircles is half of area of full circle...

    • @BenDRobinson
      @BenDRobinson 2 роки тому

      That was my approach too. I went to the bother of making a diagram, but can't see a way to put it in comments.

  • @drenz1523
    @drenz1523 3 роки тому +38

    My answer is 1/2, I Imagined that one of the semicircles is just a single dot, so the other will have an area of 1/2
    Fast way of solving it!

    • @Vishalkr12
      @Vishalkr12 3 роки тому +2

      Nice way of thinking.

    • @CAMOBAP795
      @CAMOBAP795 3 роки тому +5

      My strategy was the same, but by moving in this direction we did an assumption: "area doesn't depend on the form of inscribed semicircles". This assumption comes implicitly from the task description. I think those assumptions can be made ONLY for educational tasks, but NOT FOR research/real-world tasks

    • @robinlindgren6429
      @robinlindgren6429 3 роки тому +5

      I did that too but I was unhappy with that solution. not because I thought it was wrong but because it assumes that there is a static solution to be found. imo if the problem doesn't explicitly instruct the solver that there is a unique solution regardless of (in this case) semicircle size then that should not be assumed. the solution the video presents does not assume that there is a solution and is a way more satisfying solution imo

    • @larswilms8275
      @larswilms8275 3 роки тому +1

      ​@@robinlindgren6429 I used this method also, but then also thought about the case where both semicircles are the same size.
      This then creates a square in the middle of the large circle where two of the sides of the square are the diameter of the semicircles. The diagonal of that square is the diameter of the large circle. That famous theorem that Presh likes to use shows that the sides of the square are 1/sqrt(2) the size of the diameter of the circle.
      Meaning that in this case also the area of the semicircles is half the large circle. (1/sqrt(2))^2 =1/2)
      The question implies a static answer or an answer dependent on the size of one of the semicircles. both edge cases show the same answer, making a answer dependant on the size of the semicircles unlikely.
      Now I will watch the rest of the video.

    • @StRanGerManY
      @StRanGerManY 3 роки тому

      @@robinlindgren6429 Yeah, this problem would actually be pretty cool, if it said "radius of top semicircle is A and radius of second one is B, go solve". Only for us later to find out it was all but misdirection :D

  • @georgexomeritakis2793
    @georgexomeritakis2793 3 роки тому +2

    There is a simpler way to the solution. Let's x be the distance of the full circle center to the diameter of bottom semicircle. Then x^2 + b^2 = R^2. Also, (a+b-x)^2 + a^2 = R^2. Combining these two we first derive that x=a. Therefore a^2 + b^2 = R^2

    • @harikatragadda
      @harikatragadda 3 роки тому

      @George Xomeritakis
      Neat way of doing it. Plus it also gives an insight about the center of the big circle in relation to the semicircles.

  • @altrag
    @altrag 3 роки тому +3

    Hey, one I got right! Though I did it more through deduction than proof. Namely, that because there was no numbers given for the two semicircles, it must be that the sum of their sizes is conserved for the problem to be solvable.
    Then simply imagine how one semicircle would grow as the other vanishes (essentially the animation at the end of the video, played in my head). Because the two diameters are parallel and the semicircles are tangent, the only possible result for the unvanished semicircle is that it must cover exactly the half of the larger outer circle.

  • @JordanOrlando
    @JordanOrlando 3 роки тому

    I did it the other way around, with no math at all...just from the thumbnail. I started by thinking, "If the problem's solvable, then the size ratio of the two semicircles doesn't matter - so in the version where the upper semicircle's area is zero then the lower semicircle will have the full circle's diameter and its area will be 1/2...so the total area is always 1/2." Done.
    Great channel, Presh! I've been enjoying it for months while quarantined!

  • @wwoods66
    @wwoods66 3 роки тому +8

    2:12 "my _favorite_ right-triangle theorem" -- *YES!!*
    As to the problem, I intuited from the title that it wouldn't matter what the relative sizes of the semicircles would be, so I let one go to zero ... in which case the other one filled half the circle.

  • @umagan619
    @umagan619 3 роки тому

    The distance between centers of small circles is "a + b". Using Pythagoras theorem, we can write this distance also as sqrt(r^2 - a^2) + sqrt(r^2 - b^2) . Now rearrange this equation with terms containing "a" and "b" on same side and square both sides and simplify. You will have your answer.

  • @caniwishformorewishes8654
    @caniwishformorewishes8654 3 роки тому +4

    This was a fun one to solve and the first one i was able to prove in a different way than than Mr. Talwalkar. I could tell it was 1/2 pretty quickly by shrinking the length of a to 0 but it took a bit of time to find a proof. It might be easier to follow along with my solution if you draw it out.
    Lets call the left,midpoint, and right points of the diameter of the upper semicircle A, B and c, and we'll call the left, midpoint, and right points of the diameter of the lower semicircle D, E, and F. We'll also label the the point that the semicircles touch as T and label the point at the center of the circle as P.
    I inscribed a right isosceles triangle ATC inside the upper semicircle. Angle BCT is 45° and doing the same thing on the bottom semicircle means that angle TDE is also 45°. The similar angles and the fact that AC is parallel to DF means that the points D T and C are collinear.
    So knowing that points C D and F lie on the large circle and that the angle TDE is 45°, we can use the inscribed angle theorem to know that an angle CPF with the vertex at the center of the circle P is 90°.
    Now consider the angles EPF, FPC, and CPB. They must sum up to be 180° degrees because EPB forms a straight line. If you also consider the angles EPF, FEP, and PFE, they must sum up to 180° because they form a triangle. We have shown that angle FPC is 90°, and we know that angle FEP is perpendicular to the parallel lines AC and DF so it must be 90° as well. This means that angles CPB and PFE are congruent.
    Now it gets interesting. Knowing that PF and PC have the same length because they are both radii of the large circle, we can use angle-angle-side rule to show that CBP and PEF are congruent right triangles. Line segment BC, which is given a length 'a' in the video, has the same length as line segment PE. So now we have a right triangle PEF which has leg EF = b from the video, leg PE = a, and hypotenuse PF which is equal to the radius of the large circle. Now using the right angle theorem we know that a²+b²= r² and we can finish the solution the same way Mr. Talwalkar did.
    I liked the hidden bit of trivia that this solution showed along the way that the distance of the bottom line segment to the center of the circle is always equal to the radius of the top circle, and vice versa. Also its nice that it holds true without needing to constrain the puzzle such that b>= a. All in all a very fun problem.
    *EDIT* After looking at you website, I see that used the same method used by the person on cut-the-knot website.

  • @greyfurtsevencamidekikedi7381
    @greyfurtsevencamidekikedi7381 3 роки тому +2

    Very good. And enlightenment in the last seconds ...

    • @madhukushwaha4578
      @madhukushwaha4578 3 роки тому

      Hii! You may have to visit this channel for more harder questions #onlymathlovers .....

    • @greyfurtsevencamidekikedi7381
      @greyfurtsevencamidekikedi7381 3 роки тому

      @@madhukushwaha4578 yes, yours is nice too. I can subscribe to anything related to math.

  • @V1DE0DR0ME
    @V1DE0DR0ME 3 роки тому +6

    Amazing result.
    (I wish there were less comments about the name of THAT theorem, and about the problem itself.)

  • @quantumbuddha777
    @quantumbuddha777 3 роки тому +2

    Very cool problem! I solved it in a totally different fashion, using only Pythagorean Theorem. I drew lines from the center of the big circle to one corner of each semi-circle, as well as a vertical line connecting the centers of the two horizontal lines and passing through the center of the big circle. This made two right triangles both with hypotenuse equal to the big circle's radius. I applied Pythagorean Theorem to both triangles and combined the two equations. I plugged the results into the area formula for the 2 semi-circles and got 1/2.

  • @siddhantrane3334
    @siddhantrane3334 3 роки тому +33

    This is so beautiful--

    • @madhukushwaha4578
      @madhukushwaha4578 3 роки тому +1

      Hii! You may have to visit this channel for more harder questions #onlymathlovers ..

    • @siddhantrane3334
      @siddhantrane3334 3 роки тому +2

      @@madhukushwaha4578 yep I'm a regular viewer this channel provides amazing analysis and intuitive ways to solve problems

  • @OscarCunningham
    @OscarCunningham 3 роки тому +1

    Here's a less algebraic way to see that the combined area doesn't depend on the sizes of the semicircles:
    Consider the triangle formed by the right-hand vertex of each semicircle together with their point of tangency. This is right-angled because the two edges inside the semicircles are both at 45° to the parallel diameters. The length of the hypotenuse doesn't depend on the sizes of the semicircles, since it's always subtended by a 45° angle from the left-hand vertices of the semicircles. So by Pythagoras, the sum of the squares of the other two sides is constant. Since the areas of the semicircles are proportional to these squares, we have proved that the combined area is constant and can then get the answer 1/2 by considering the limiting case.

    • @harikatragadda
      @harikatragadda 3 роки тому

      This is a brilliant and intuitive way of solving this.🎉

  • @rinrin4711
    @rinrin4711 3 роки тому +13

    Consider one semicircle infinitely small, then the other semicircle is limited to exactly 1/2 of the original circle.

    • @The-Nil-By-Mouth
      @The-Nil-By-Mouth 3 роки тому +1

      Or in other words with zero radius:)

    • @rclrd1
      @rclrd1 3 роки тому

      Yes, the answer is obvious once one realizes that _if the problem didn't have a unique answer it wouldn't have been asked!_

    • @sujalsirimilla9737
      @sujalsirimilla9737 2 роки тому

      Same answer if you assume the point where the blue circles touch each other is the centre of the bigger one.

  • @dudewaldo4
    @dudewaldo4 3 роки тому

    Hi Presh, I appreciate all of these interesting problems!

    • @madhukushwaha4578
      @madhukushwaha4578 3 роки тому

      Hii! You may have to visit this channel for more harder questions #onlymathlovers .....

  • @ShekharKumar-jh3uc
    @ShekharKumar-jh3uc 3 роки тому +32

    Who else had no idea what was gonna happen but guessed it was gonna be half

  • @mathwithjanine
    @mathwithjanine 3 роки тому

    Really enjoyed doing this puzzle! Thank you for sharing it with us all!

  • @chetanreddy106
    @chetanreddy106 3 роки тому +57

    Question sponsored by unacademy😂😂

  • @bobjordan5231
    @bobjordan5231 3 роки тому

    By inspection I concluded the area of the two semicircles equaled one-half. I imagined the semicircles moving up and down to form one-half as his illustration showed, and he's done on other vids. Nicely done Presh! The actual solution was elegant. I like it and these are enjoyable to watch.

  • @alone887-f7v
    @alone887-f7v 3 роки тому +24

    So, presh is promoting unacademy
    😄😄

  • @VinTheFox
    @VinTheFox 3 роки тому

    I solved it a much simpler way:
    1. Find that given the context of the question, it's safe to assume the answer is independent of the individual size of each semicircle
    2. Consider that if one semicircle has the same diameter as the full circle, it must have an area of 1/2 and the other semicircle must be reduced to 0
    3. 1/2 + 0 = 1/2

  • @declanhemphill4214
    @declanhemphill4214 3 роки тому +3

    As soon as he said semicircles are curious I'm like: "it's gonna be half"

  • @tambuwalmathsclass
    @tambuwalmathsclass 3 роки тому

    Great work

  • @doxo9597
    @doxo9597 3 роки тому +12

    Quick way: look at the edge case where the radius of one of the semicircles is 0. Then the other semicircle clearly covers half the circle, thus the constant combined area is 1/2 the circle.

    • @benvanrensburg4261
      @benvanrensburg4261 3 роки тому +5

      Doxo's Quick Way is an interesting special case. So, if you know that the area remains invariant if you change the picture, then you conclude it's 1/2. But the special case doesn't prove the invariance, therefore the general case doesn't follow immediately.

    • @MozartJunior22
      @MozartJunior22 3 роки тому +1

      @@benvanrensburg4261 It actually does follow immediately because the radiuses of the semi-circles were not given

    • @benvanrensburg4261
      @benvanrensburg4261 3 роки тому +2

      @@MozartJunior22A popular puzzle solving trick is, indeed, to jump from 'not given' to 'makes no difference', ... yes. But that rests on the assumption that the puzzle's integrity is good. From a puristic viewpoint, such an assumption is not quite satisfactory.

  • @crustyoldfart
    @crustyoldfart 3 роки тому

    I did it using a different approach : construct two lines AC and BD such that they are mutually perpendicular. The line AB is such that it is parallel to the line CD. In the piece presented we can say AB is length 2*a and CD is length 2*b. We now find R such that we can construct a circle of radius R through the points A,B,C.D. With some simple manipulation we can show that R^2 = a^2 + b^2, which is sufficient to answer the question.
    This method uses only one theorem relating to a diameter projecting a right angle at all points on its circumference.

  • @bijoychandraroy
    @bijoychandraroy 3 роки тому +24

    Whenever he says, "Mind your decision!, I'm Presh Talwalker"
    I feel like i said something that offended him🙄😳😳

  • @outsomniacsleeplover5783
    @outsomniacsleeplover5783 3 роки тому +1

    Since no information was given regarding the ratios of the two semicircles,
    Hence the sizes of both doesn't matter
    And so we can take the ratio 1:1 and solve within seconds
    Obviously one must learn how to solve but this was an easy way to get the answer

  • @neutron417
    @neutron417 3 роки тому +36

    Lol everybody send this to Unacademy teachers

  • @Jaojao_puzzlesolver
    @Jaojao_puzzlesolver 3 роки тому +1

    As soon as I finished reading the question, I realized it is a constant answer no matter the sizes of the two semicircles.
    So *I use the "special condition solution", where two semicircles are equally sized.*
    Then we can draw the "two diagonal lines", which are both the diameter of the large circle.
    Let the radius of the large circle = R, since the area of the large circle = pi*R^2 = 1,
    and since the radius of the semicircle = r = (1/√2)R,
    we have the whole blue area = 2*(1/2*(pi*[(1/√2)R]^2)) = 1/2(pi*R^2) = (1/2)*1 = 1/2.
    This is the quickest way to get the answer when you're not asked to prove "for all conditions".

  • @robcampbell3118
    @robcampbell3118 3 роки тому +10

    We're going to get awfully confused if your favourite right-angled triangle theorem changes!

  • @johnpublic4975
    @johnpublic4975 3 роки тому

    Really like the music, just replaying the last 25s over and over...

  • @drenz1523
    @drenz1523 3 роки тому +27

    Everyone be like UnAcaDEmY
    Me: ASEAN but the wheat isn't having a good time

    • @GDPlainA
      @GDPlainA 3 роки тому

      Same

    • @Bemath_kh
      @Bemath_kh 3 роки тому

      @@nzf-kx2qol1g12 same bro

    • @ujjwaldwivedi1226
      @ujjwaldwivedi1226 3 роки тому +2

      ASEAN symbol has two "EQUAL" sized semicircles while the UNACADEMY symbol has "UNEQUAL" sized semicircles and here he has taken unequal semicircles only

    • @drenz1523
      @drenz1523 3 роки тому

      @@ujjwaldwivedi1226 ok, but one of the possible arrangements is equal

  • @MottBotMinecraft
    @MottBotMinecraft 3 роки тому +1

    I solved it much simpler but I'm not sure it's a valid proof: The blue area will always have the same ratio to the area of the entire circle. We can then construct a case where the area of the whole circle is not 1 and assign lengths to the blue area to give us easy numbers to work with. If we assume the blue area to have a radius of 1, then each semi circle will have an area of (pi*1^2)/2 = pi/2, giving us the area of the two semicircles to be pi. Using a radius for the semicircle of 1, that means the length from the cusp to the midpoint of the arc is sqrt(2). This is also the radius of the outside circle so we can plug that into the area equation and see that the circle has an area of 2pi. So, the ratio of the blue region to the entire circle is 1/2.

  • @mattymmmm2362
    @mattymmmm2362 3 роки тому +7

    Please say what your favourite theorem is, it would make my day. I know it’s become a “thing” now, but you can do it.

  • @doveShampoo1111
    @doveShampoo1111 3 роки тому

    All your vids are mine-blowingly simple

  • @OG_CK2018
    @OG_CK2018 3 роки тому +7

    Mind your decisions!

  • @methodiconion8523
    @methodiconion8523 3 роки тому

    I appreciate the proof-driven approach to the problem. I solved it rather quickly with two arbitrary (albeit easy-to-calculate) extremes, while you emphatically solved it for all arbitrary ratios simultaneously.

  • @MasterCivilEngineering
    @MasterCivilEngineering 3 роки тому +3

    Master your engineering knowledge here❤❤❤

  • @Dorddis
    @Dorddis 3 роки тому +2

    Nice animation at the end. That's what I imagined and guessed ½ at the start of the video.

  • @LearnFirstEarnNext
    @LearnFirstEarnNext 3 роки тому +13

    After Edited: One of the Most beautiful curve is a Circle.
    Before Edited:
    The most beautiful curve is a Circle ⭕ 🎉 ❤️

    • @adithyan9263
      @adithyan9263 3 роки тому +1

      your vocabulary of curves is too low

    • @LearnFirstEarnNext
      @LearnFirstEarnNext 3 роки тому +1

      @@adithyan9263 🤔

    • @adithyan9263
      @adithyan9263 3 роки тому +1

      @@LearnFirstEarnNext list all the curves you know
      now don't google it. 😑

    • @LearnFirstEarnNext
      @LearnFirstEarnNext 3 роки тому +1

      @@adithyan9263 Open Curve and Closed Curve.

    • @LearnFirstEarnNext
      @LearnFirstEarnNext 3 роки тому +1

      @@adithyan9263 Simple Open and Simple Closed Curve.

  • @phasm42
    @phasm42 3 роки тому +1

    I figured that, since it was implied that the area would remain constant independent of the location of the chords, take it to the extreme so that one semi-circle encompasses the full diameter of the outer circle, while the second one vanishes to zero, and then you have half the area of the original circle, like the animation at the end.

    • @madhukushwaha4578
      @madhukushwaha4578 3 роки тому

      Hii! You may have to visit this channel for more harder questions #onlymathlovers ..

  • @karangupta1825
    @karangupta1825 3 роки тому +3

    Sir, what animation software do you use to make your videos.

    • @levani7851
      @levani7851 3 роки тому +2

      these are simple animations, you can definitely do in GeoGebra, not sure what the author used though

  • @saltysea3626
    @saltysea3626 3 роки тому

    I actually understand something today. Love you sir!

  • @h3xhexagonvn211
    @h3xhexagonvn211 3 роки тому +34

    mY fAvOuRiTe rIgHt tRiAnGlE tHeOrEm11!!1!1!!

    • @wolfthunder2526
      @wolfthunder2526 3 роки тому +5

      I thought it'd be... Gougu... 😹

    • @naturelover4148
      @naturelover4148 3 роки тому +1

      He didn't use gugu theorem! My whole life is a lie😬😭

  • @ganrimmonim
    @ganrimmonim 3 роки тому

    This is the coolest maths proof I'v seen in ages.

  • @shashwat.07
    @shashwat.07 3 роки тому +19

    One thing Presh forgot to add :
    Sponsored by #Unacademy.
    #UnacademyJee

  • @longphamduc2553
    @longphamduc2553 3 роки тому +1

    Amazing. Tks a lot.

    • @madhukushwah8174
      @madhukushwah8174 3 роки тому +1

      Hii! You may have to visit this channel for more harder questions #onlymathlovers .....

  • @suman-majhi
    @suman-majhi 3 роки тому +5

    what is the area of unacademy logo.....

  • @skylardeslypere9909
    @skylardeslypere9909 3 роки тому +1

    Since this asked for "the" area, I assumed it was constant, so I considered the case where the two semicircles are equal.
    Then you can draw two isoceles triangles within those semicircles with hypotenuse sqrt(2/π). So the radius is 1/sqrt(2π), or the area is 1/4. Multiply by 2 to get 1/2

  • @vyneetwallah7728
    @vyneetwallah7728 3 роки тому +3

    Nice question,the question that I can't solve is always nice question.😂😂

  • @olfiz488
    @olfiz488 2 роки тому

    I'm training my math mindset thanks to you!

  • @DaHaiZhu
    @DaHaiZhu 3 роки тому +3

    Henceforth from this day forward it stall no longer be known as the "Gougu " or "Pythagorean" Theorem, but rather "My Favorite" Theorem , and shall be taught that way in academia worldwide 👍👍👍
    So say we all
    This is the way

    • @trueriver1950
      @trueriver1950 3 роки тому

      Oh no!
      We now have three names for the theorem.
      What say that we compromise on calling it the
      Mythagougu Theorem

  • @mokhosh
    @mokhosh 3 роки тому

    I cannot imagine why someone would dislike this video!

  • @adipy8912
    @adipy8912 3 роки тому +9

    I'm glad you've stopped saying Gougu theorem.

  • @brunogreco5084
    @brunogreco5084 3 роки тому

    In order to avoid "cheating" answers about "must be same result regardless of the chosen semicercles so just consider le limit", you might ask : "find the semicercles giving the biggest shaded area" or " study the variations of the shaded area when you change the semicercles" (and that's how i'll give this problem to my students).
    Besides , naming C,Ca,Cb the 3 cercles, O, Oa, Ob their centers, A (resp. B) belonging both to C and Ca (resp. Cb) it's easy to justify equals the triangles O A Oa and O B Ob which gives back the a²+b²=r² formula.
    Anyway, thanks for the beautiful result.

  • @YourPalAlRetroGamer
    @YourPalAlRetroGamer 3 роки тому +5

    2:13 The Grogu Theorem!

    • @rakaaditya7447
      @rakaaditya7447 3 роки тому +3

      No no no, it's right triangle theorem!

  • @bobwelham8792
    @bobwelham8792 3 роки тому +1

    Let the radius of the circle be r, the radii of the two semicircles a and b, b>=a.
    Let AB be the chord of length 2a, CD the parallel chord of length 2b, M the midpoint of AB, N the midpoint of CD.
    Let O be the centre of the circle, P the point of contact of the semicircles, let distance OP=x.
    By Pythagorus on the right triangle OMA, r^2 = (a+x)^2 + a^2 and similarly for triangle ONC, r^2 = (b-x)^2 +b^2
    Equating the two RHS gives x=b-a
    Putting this back into either equation gives r^2 = 2(a^2+b^2), so the answer is 1/2 for all values of x.

    • @brewitbear
      @brewitbear 3 роки тому

      Nice one. Exactly the way I did it.

  • @rajanikant2664
    @rajanikant2664 3 роки тому +4

    look like unacademy logo i think this is unacademy promotion

  • @irisartin385
    @irisartin385 3 роки тому

    Another approach: if you label points ABCD counterclockwise (|AB| = 2a, |CD| = 2b), and let P = intersection of AC and BD, then ACD = 45º, APD = 90º → so AP^2 + DP^2 = AD^2 → 2a^2 + 2b^2 = x^2. x is a chord with inscribed angle of 45º → central angle of 90º → x = √2 r. Therefore a^2 + b^2 = r^2 and the rest follows as in your solution.

  • @leviOsa.not.leviosA_
    @leviOsa.not.leviosA_ 3 роки тому +3

    Why does it look like unacademy logo😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @keithhowells8595
    @keithhowells8595 3 роки тому +1

    There's a much easier way of proving this. Start with the case where the lower semicircle fills up the top half of the circle and the upper semicircle is null. Now move the semicircles down a small amount (d for delta). By Pythagoras theorem, the radius of the bottom semicircle is sqrt(r**2 - d**2), so it's area is 1/2 pi (r**2 - d**2). The area of the top semicircle is 1/2pi (d**2), so the area of both semicircles is 1/2pi r**2, regardless of the value of d.

    • @vinc17fr
      @vinc17fr 3 роки тому

      You need to prove that the d is necessarily the same for both semicircles. That's not obvious at all!

    • @vinc17fr
      @vinc17fr 3 роки тому

      FYI, this is what Nestor Abad proved in another comment, by using the inscribed angle-central angle theorem (you have an inscribed angle of 45°, the central one is 90°, so that you get 2 congruent triangles with lengths a, b and r).

  • @kittypaws4402
    @kittypaws4402 3 роки тому +5

    As an Asian, I used 1 sec to get the answer, 0.5 😂

  • @jayeshkumar3861
    @jayeshkumar3861 Рік тому

    Awesome dear Paresh Bhai...

  • @aniiii8442
    @aniiii8442 3 роки тому +5

    Plot twist
    This video is sponsored by unacademy

  • @honortruth5227
    @honortruth5227 3 роки тому

    From the intersecting chords we also have 2(a + b)^2 + 2(a - b)^2 = 4r^2.

  • @theb4stguy332
    @theb4stguy332 3 роки тому +6

    I had my answer in just 2 sec by intuition just by seeing the question...

  • @jayabharadwaj5603
    @jayabharadwaj5603 3 роки тому

    Appreciable approach

  • @loneranger4282
    @loneranger4282 3 роки тому +4

    People in the comments: "i SoLvEd It In My HeAd"

    • @shortestway2home888
      @shortestway2home888 3 роки тому +4

      Solved by intutuion since we have no measures for the 2 semicircles and therefore can assume that the area is undependent of their sizes. Then just think about the extreme case where other is as large as possible and the other is the smallest (so small its not even there)

    • @loneranger4282
      @loneranger4282 3 роки тому

      @@shortestway2home888 ya, but that isn't really a rigorous proof. I though of that first, but I had no way to prove that what I thought was correct.

    • @shortestway2home888
      @shortestway2home888 3 роки тому +2

      @@loneranger4282 yeah I completely agree with you and actually made a mistake using the word "solved". Should have said "got the right answer".

  • @davidchung1697
    @davidchung1697 3 роки тому

    Because the problem under-specifies parameters regarding the semicircles, you know right away that solving a simplified case will solve the problem. The simplest version of the problem is the one in which the semicircles are symmetric within the larger circle.
    In the simplified version of the problem, it is easy to see that the radius of one of the semicircles is 1/sqrt(2). Its area is pi/(sqrt(2)^2 / 2 = pi/4. Since there are two semicircles, their total area = pi/2.

    • @madhukushwaha4578
      @madhukushwaha4578 3 роки тому

      Hii! You may have to visit this channel for more harder questions #onlymathlovers .....

    • @OscarCunningham
      @OscarCunningham 3 роки тому +1

      The simplest version of the problem is when one semicircle has size zero and the other fills half the big circle.

    • @davidchung1697
      @davidchung1697 3 роки тому

      @@OscarCunningham That IS simpler! I like it.

  • @ManishGupta-hb4iu
    @ManishGupta-hb4iu 3 роки тому +4

    Unacademy logo

  • @pwmiles56
    @pwmiles56 3 роки тому

    Gosh, the intersecting chord theorem sure is a favourite. It's easier to set up circle points (a,a) and (b,-b) with the circle centre at (0,c). With large radius=1 a quick Pythagoras gives a^2+(a-c)^2=1, b^2+(b+c)=1. The difference of these is 2(a^2-b^2)-2c(a+b). Factor out 2(a+b), a-b-c=0, c=a-b. Substitute a-c=b, b+c=a so either way a^2+b^2=1 and the result 1/2 follows (since we take 1/2 of the a and b circles).

  • @stromboli183
    @stromboli183 3 роки тому

    Nice, Presh. “My favorite right triangle theorem”, very subtle 😄

  • @DonSolaris
    @DonSolaris 3 роки тому +2

    Wow! Never heard Presh so excited in the epilogue!

  • @sofiamasiero4403
    @sofiamasiero4403 3 роки тому

    I think a simpler way to get the equation a^2+b^2=r^2, without considering any particular values of a and b, is noticing that the triangle with vertices the centre of the white circle, the medium point of one of the two semicircles diameter and an extreme of the semicircle's diameter is a right triangle. It has hypotenuse equal to the radius of the white circle and the sides equal to b and b-(b-a)=a or equal to a and a+(b-a)=a, depending on the semicircle we chose.

  • @kamalmichael
    @kamalmichael 3 роки тому

    This throws it all in the air..which is best ...the simple or the complex answer...

  • @nanoblast5748
    @nanoblast5748 3 роки тому +1

    here's my line of thought:
    this is a general problem, so I can Choose the semicircles as I please. as cord for the lower semicircle, I pick the diameter of the large circle.
    this means that the upper semi circle has a cord with length 0, and is tangent to the circle.
    the lower semi circle will be exactly half of the large circle.
    ergo the area is 1/2.

    • @axemenace6637
      @axemenace6637 3 роки тому

      Your first statement is mathematically unjustified. Sure, you can choose the chords as you please, but nowhere have you demonstrated that the answer does not depend on how you choose your chords. If your goal is obtain the right answer without any mathematical rigor, then of course your technique is fine, but I'm not sure why you would care about getting the answer more than the math behind it.

    • @corpa8634
      @corpa8634 3 роки тому

      that's exactly how I figured the answer. however, being able to prove it for every couple of semicircles, that's another story :D (i couldn't do that xD)

  • @Millmar
    @Millmar 3 роки тому

    Wow. I can't believe I solved it correctly without seeing the answer. I am very amazed, although I did not solve it that way, but I assumed that the semicircles could change dimension and make points at the ends of their diameters form a square. Also I didn't realize that it could also be minimized and maximized, conserving the total area, until it was clearly seen that it was half the circle.
    I'm from Latin America, and I love to challenge my mind and that of my friends with math problems like these. Thank you for continuing to encourage us to live mathematics.

  • @willyh.r.1216
    @willyh.r.1216 3 роки тому

    There's an other way to get to the answer: by using pythagorean thm in each of the following right triangles:
    1. From the small semi-circle, join its vertical radius r to the radius 1/pi^.5 (hypotenuse) of the big circle. Name y the length of the third side from the center of the big circle.
    2. Idem from the big semi-circle. Name x the third side and R its radius. The hypotenuse the same as the previous one.
    Keep going, set up equations from pythagorean thm, then notice that:
    x+y=r+R.
    Play around and sove the 3 equations for: pi/2(r^2+R^2)
    You end up with 1/2.
    Bonus: you can generalize the problem by setting the area of the big circle is k, therefore the area of the 2 inscribed semi-circles is k/2.
    Beautiful problem. Thank u for posting it.

  • @TrevorMag62
    @TrevorMag62 3 роки тому

    I used the MYD principle of "missing information is irrelevant" to solve this at first glance:
    we're not told the ratio of the two semicircles, therefore it doesn't matter, therefore solve for when one of them is zero.

  • @francois8422
    @francois8422 Рік тому

    A B C D left to right intersections with large and small blue semicircle circumference
    circle center of radius W = square root of 1/π
    b small semicircle radius , B large semicircle radius
    AD = chord subtended by angle < ACD= 45°, corresponding angle
    center

    • @francois8422
      @francois8422 Рік тому

      A B C D left to right intersections with large and small blue semicircle circumference
      O center of circle of radius W = square root of 1/π
      b small semicircle radius , B large semicircle radius
      AD = chord subtended by angle < ACD= 45°, corresponding angle
      center

  • @smd4878
    @smd4878 3 роки тому

    An alternative approach is to apply analytic geometry. Take the origin to be the center of the semicircle with radius b and the x-axis along its diameter then the points of intersection of the two semicircles with the large circle: A(b,0), B(-b,0), C(a,a+b) and D(-a, a+b).
    The mid point of line segment AC is ( (a+b)/2, (a+b)/2) and the line perpendicular to AC passing through the mid point should intersect y-axis at the center of the large circle which can be found to be (0,a). Therefore the radius of the large circle is given by sqr((a-0)^2 + (a+b-a)^2)) = sqr(a^2+b^2) from which follows the required result.

  • @quigonkenny
    @quigonkenny 8 місяців тому

    I figured this one out without the math. I just did what you did at the end, with the shifting sizes of the semicircles, in my head, and realized that if one semicircle is so small as to be basically non-existent, the other will approach 1/2 the area of the circle.

  • @范俊彥-i1p
    @范俊彥-i1p 3 роки тому

    What a beautiful solution!