Now I see how the Silk road musics have so many common elements; From Greece to India all the way to Korean Peninsula , with China and Iran in between. Greetings from Iran/California. Thanks millions.
@iumaser3219 "by any stretch of imagination-" it's a way of speaking, idiomatic phrase, similar to the phrase "by any means" nothing to take it literally. Put the blame on Mame. On Google l mean.
Words cannot express how thankful I am for this. Such beauty and such clarity in the presentation. Please pray for me, the sinner, that God may have mercy on me and that I may join His Church in song with the choirs of angels singing praises to Him for all eternity. Alleluia!
Koukla Alithos Anesti! Last Wednesday, May 4, my wife and I marked 53 years since we were received into Holy Orthodoxy through Holy Chrismation ( May 4, 1969 ). We were young then, both 23 going on 24. The priest who administered the Mystery ( Sacrament ) was the late Fr. John T. Tavlarides, Dean of St. Sophia Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Washington DC. We joined the choir eventually, under the expert direction of Protopsaltis Harilaos Papapostolou, native of Athens, Greece, also now of blessed memory. I learned to chant Byzantine music alongside Harry at the kleros during Sunday morning Orthros. Consequently, I am still able to do this at my Antiochian parish ( now in English ) - at the tender age of 76! There is much more to the story of our journey of over half a century in Christ's Holy Church, but a significant event was our visit to the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Istanbul in 1996 and meeting His Beatitude Patriarch Bartholomew. This was part of a pilgrimage we were on with Fr. John and others to both Russia and Turkey that same year. I also went to Mount Athos with a group of 5 other men in 2006, and visited some of the monasteries shown in this video. My wife and I will be married 55 years next month ( June 17, 1967 ), and firmly believe that the longevity of our marriage may be credited to our mutual love for and involvement in the Church into which we were not originally born, but adopted in our early 20s.
This is unknown in the West largely because there is an extreme bias against the Eastern Roman Empire. To this day, people still say Rome fell in the 400's when in fact it didn't fall until 1453.
Agreed, the west either likes to believe Rome fell after the vandals sacked the capital or that its continuation was an inferior italian version. I say Italians because western people I converse with don't want to accept rome was hellenised. They despise it so much that it's the only European empire Hollywood/TV never represented.
Rome did fall gradually but elements lived on in the West. The Eastern Roman Empire did not fall until Islam destroyed it in the 15th century as was Islam's wicked aim. Now Islam has its eyes on Western Europe and the Old Rome. Western Europeans focus on Rome because that is the centre of our Greco Roman Christian culture. The traditional Roman liturgy is older than that of the East. We have great love and respect for the ancient patriarchies especially Constantinople still held captive by Islam.
@@SerenusNoctus the use of the word Byzantine Empire and Constantine's Empire is not accurate. The citizend of the Eastern Roman Empire called themselves Romans. The Empire East and West ha two coemperors. Both were Romans as Roman citizenship had been extended to all by the Emperor Commodus? centuries before.
@johnfisher247 It was thanks to the edict Caracalla, not Commodus'. As typical, a hateful religious fundamentalist and profound reactionary is also quite ignorant.
What do you mean, 'come back'? the Orthodox church has never been much of a thing here, it belongs to Eastern Europe...the Catholic church on the other hand, the Western equivalent, has never gone away.
Byzantine went west past Italy, so Orthodox religion went west as well. And Orthodox people traveled, including on silk road. It's influence was allover Europe. Much of our history has been erased.
Χριστός Ανέστη! Its great to see how interest has grown in the west about the Eastern Roman Empire in both its history and faith, during the last years!
_Yuhanna ibn Sarjoon ibn Mansur al-Taghlibi_ , _aka_ St John of Damascus, is also considered the father of secular Arabian music. His eight scales system is used in the Arab world, whether in music, or in Quran Tahbeer (Quranic cantillation recitating ) and Azan (prayer call). Greetings and Peace from Morocco!
@@SerenusNoctus Nah they're different. Just google or youtube it. I've heard too many Quranic recitations and never once did I feel familiarity when listening to Byzantine chants. The latter is sublime and charismatic, it inspires awe, while the former feels 'sad' and melancholic.
@@zainabe9503 Well, two things can be different and still have commonalities. From my perspective, Byzantine music is more remote to Western Christian music than to Arabic music.
@academy of st juliana, this is a video we all needed and many more similar ones. The last one you made was 2 years ago. Please produce more content as it is truly needed. God bless your work!
This was a completely new experience for me... I liked it. I really really liked the part with the hymn being sung in different languages. The polish and arabic version sounded especially good.
Byzantine music was added by UNESCO in 2019 to its list of Intangible Cultural Heritage “as a living art that has existed for almost 2,000 years, the Byzantine chant is a significant cultural tradition and comprehensive music system forming part of the common musical traditions that developed in the Byzantine Empire”. ☦️🇬🇷
Congratulations for your wonderful documentary! It is very professionally made and very insightful. I am so glad you picked good examples of the singing of byzantine chants because not every choir in every church in every Greek neighbourhood have studied music of any kind.
This is a wonderful, comprehensive and informative documentary. I find this documentary intruging and eye opening. It's very well done. As a classically trained musician, I have been trying to find out more about Byzantine music/Hellenic Ecclesiatical while relating to Western Classical Music. May many more good documentaries come!
Thank you for this lovely video. But please note: the "Agni parthene" in 'Russian' and 'Polish' were in neither of those languages, but both in Church Slavonic.
From my understanding, the modes of Byzantine music predates St. John of Damascus. He did however help to explain it in his book. The modes predates even Christianity itself. Even the Greek philosopher Pythagoras likely used similar tones in his musical formulations.
Hello! Thank you for your comment. That is correct. In the section "History" at 6:30 - The documentary elaborates that the music system arose from the already existing cultural tradition - musically that would be what we now refer to as Ancient Greek music, as it goes on to say St. John of Damascus was the one who established the system of 8 modes (Octoechos) (selecting them from the ancient modal system), that would be the foundation of Byzantine Ecclesiastical music, and that it is essentially the continuation of Ancient Greek Music and its modal system.
Glad your channel's back. Nice documentary about a criminally under discussed civilisation. Decent productions on the medieval era of the Roman empire are rare
This is just a great video, i am a recent convert from American Protestentism to Eastern Orthodox, I go to an OCA church that is a Russian/Slavic church plant. I would love to see a video on the creation and practice of the diffrence Tones and why there is such wide expressions of Orthodox music yet it is all so similar.
In 14:07 he says "it is not that I have any special vocal talent". (he attributes his position as chief chanter to the will of God). It is the opposite of what the subtitles read.
Byzantine chant has always fascinanted me from a musical perspective. Does anyone know of a good source (books or series of videos) to start learning to compose byzantine music?
“There is no happiness where there is no wisdom; No wisdom but in submission to the Gods. Big words are always punished, And proud men in old age learn to be wise.” Sophocles (496-406 BCE), Antigone
This music sounds very familiar to me... I'm not sure about historical facts, but some Ottoman Sufi music also sounds quite similar. Especially those samples from Kani Karaca (Kâni Karaca) that you can find on youtube too... Ottoman Sufi music began its proliferation after about death of Mevlana, and fall of İstanbul, (Constantinople of Byzantine)... You can listen a few here: ua-cam.com/video/R6JCgaKMKRk/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/oL29ZHKwnGo/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/hn0sMJVV6cc/v-deo.html
It is not a coincidence. There is a distinct connection between the music you mention and the development of the Byzantine system. People lived close to each other in the ancient world, and over long periods of time. There was bound to be 'cross contamination' among various groups with food, music, language, architecture etc.
Byzantine chant influenced Ottoman Sufi music, not the other way around. Ottoman Muslims based their mosques on Orthodox temples for example, and countless other practices in Islam are copied and influenced by Orthodoxy.
@@NoeticInsight Correct. Considering that Islam did not emerge until the 7th century AD it is a foregone conclusion that it would have 'copied' certain elements from Christianity which was continuing to develop in what is known as the Levant and Near East.
It is the Polish female choir. An amazing ensemble and so beautiful. I think the point of this section and conclusion was to show this tradition's global significance, and modern relevance, hence choosing a modern piece and deliberately not something ancient. That is how I understood it.
I don't know Greek. IS there Chants in English, to sing with understanding. It was originally sung in native language. Can it be sung in other languages?
I’m not sure if the Greek Church has an official stance on this, but as a classical philologist and archaeologist (I have specialized in Ancient Greek, and Latin, Biblical Hebrew and Aramaic, Ancient Egyptian, and Akkadian), I can tell you that the KJV is by far the best English translation of the Bible. Not only is it generally the most accurate translation of the Septuagint and the Koine NT into English, but is also a work of great poetic beauty in itself.
@@dorianphilotheates3769 Thanks for your reply. Are you familiar with the New King James version, or the EOB New Testament? Both are translations based on the same Greek text as the KJV.
James Trotter - You’re most welcome. Yes, but I still prefer the original KJV; it may be over four centuries old, but to me, the standard of scholarship and the sheer beauty of the translation remains unchallenged. People complain that it’s archaic, but it was so (and was intended to be) even when it was first commissioned.
@@dorianphilotheates3769 I grew up on the KJV, and I agree with your assessment. I have the NKJV but not the EOB. I like the NKJV, but I think that the KJV is far superior in accuracy and when I read it, I know that I'm reading the written word of the living Word of God.
The most common name used for Constantinople by Byzantine historians of the 10th C and later was Byzantium. The word Constantinople appears extremely rarely in writing from that period. Since the Emperor of the Romans was ruling from Byzantium, the empire was termed Byzantine by modern historians. The Byzantines themselves did not have a name for the empire as the emperor of the Romans was ruling on behalf of God and, therefore, the empire was perceived as global. From a modern perspective it has become customary to call it Byzantine after its capital Byzantium as opposed to Roman, to avoid confusion with the ancient Roman Empire centred on Rome.
Byzantines did have a name for the empire. They called it Roman. In ALL Byzantine texts we see that the empire it's the Roman Empire for them and after the 11th century they adopted the name Rhomanía for their lands. That name as also for themselves as Rhomaioi continued to be used all the way up until the creation of modern Greek state which the ancient name Hellas (Greece) took again more favor. The very fact that in the Turkish language the translation of that Greek terms became Rumelia (land of the Romans) and Rums (Romans) for the Greek Orthodoxs. The very name of Rumelia was used by the ottomans massively for all lands in the ottoman empire with Greek Orthodox population until the 20th century. Even today the region of Central Greece is known traditionally as Rumeli (through Turkish for Land of the Romans). Thank you for spreading misinformation around
@@vanmars5718 - No, what we see is that the emperor is referred to as Emperor of the Romans. The empire is not named, not even referred to as an empire. The emperor ruled on behalf of God, therefore it was not a state in the sense of modern states. The fact that history books draw borders around the empire does not mean that the empire had a name.
@@geoffreyM2TW OMG....I've studied Byzantine texts dude. I can read all the Greek texts and inscriptions. They called their state Roman Empire and they thought themselves as Rhomaioi... That's all. And NO the word Byzantium is actually mentioned one or two times by the Byzantines when they referred to the city of Constantinople...JUST TWO times and that in a very specific way and not because any common person called the city as such. It hurts that people like you really feel comfortable enough to go and make such comments around the media, spreading such misinformation. Are u really satisfied? Are u made yourself proud for providing lies based on your agenda and bias? I can understand where u came from and the ideology you hold and we both know that you are just a little rat providing only lies. You should be ashamed
Same principles can be applied to Gregorian Chants of the Western Church. Today's Music, much derived from Protestantism, and not theologically sound, thus my longing for total return to the time honored Gregorian Chants.
GOD is one for all the people. People are humans and they have their own opinions and they think that they are right. So they split from the ORIGINAL TRUE FAITH.
Η βυζαντινή μουσική ήταν εξέλιξη της ελληνο-ρωμαικης μουσικής που υπήρχε για αιώνες. Αν μιλάμε μόνο για την θρησκευτική βυζαντινή μουσική, σε αυτήν φυσικά δόθηκαν ορισμένοι κανόνες στους επόμενους αιώνες, όπως κυρίως από τον Άγιο Ιωάννη Δαμασκηνό. Γενικά καμία σχέση με Εβραίους και τα λοιπά. Απορώ με την ερώτηση. Η άγνοια είναι τρομερά επικίνδυνη
δεν απαντατε στο ερωτημα......ποιοι ειναι οι κανονες που προερχονται απο τους εβραιους οπως λεει το βιντεο?.....αφηστε τις ειρωνιες περι αγνοιας κατα μερους
Not to diminish Alexandria's importance, but while Constantinople was called "Vasilévousa", i.e. the reigning (city), Thessaloniki was called the "Symvasilévousa", meaning the co-reigning. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that Thessaloniki stayed under the control of the Eastern Roman Empire until it's fall.
@@SerenusNoctus No, it had to do that Alexandria was fell to the Arabs very soon in the 6th century while Thessaloniki evolved through the centuries as the second most important when the borders of the Empire were actually finalized into what is today Greece and Turkey.
Listening to this is giving me an aneurysm: It's not Byzantine, there was no "Byzantine" Empire. They were Romans, they called themselves Romans and spoke Greek.
Yes, yes.I am sure a lot of watchers here know that, and certainly the makers of this video. Nonetheless, it is the term given, albeit much later, by scholars to refer to the period and culture. Have you read Fr Romanides?
We know. Everybody remotely involved in historical discourse knows. It’s purely a convention. Greek scholars and academics themselves use this terminology. It’s high time Greeks learnt that academia does not revolve around their ethnocentric pride
@@hadriananton9762 - Calling them Romans or calling them Byzantines, I do not see how either is ethnocentric. I should think that calling them Romans would be less ethnocentric since everyone in the empire was "Roman". What some Greeks are upset about is probably that byzantine history has been for a long time sidelined or ignored. I once had checked a British history schoolbook about the Middle Ages and there was not a word about Byzantium. There was also very little in Edward Gibbon's Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire about Byzantium. Constantine the Great was perhaps a historical inconvenience. Then where there is ignorance, there can follow misunderstanding and prejudice. As an example, a fellow university student once told me that a Greek friend of the family returning from a pilgrimage in the Holy Lands presented them with a silver-gilded icon. He said they afterwards removed the silver and got rid of the icon, they thought that putting silver on the icon was in bad taste and in any case inappropriate to have icons as "objects of worship".
@@hadriananton9762 That's not the point, the point is it's not accurate and it's a reflection of an outdated term that has implications, namely a diassociation with the Empire's Romaness and also an orientalist attribution as well. It's time we accurately reflected what this Empire was, which was a Greek Speaking Roman Empire.
@@nikolaosaggelopoulos8113 I definitely agree that the historical importance of Byzantine history has been significantly and criminally downgraded as has the significance of Islamic, Persian and/or Chinese history. The “West” tends to have really peculiar ideas about what constitutes the history of “Western Civilization” and thus usually ignores incredibly important parts of European history and heritage i.e byzantine history and culture. Gibbon as we all know is considered more of a babbling, anti-Christian, irrationally biased and sarcastic charlatan than a credible modern historian. Many scholars, myself included, try to rid ourselves of such ridiculous notions such as “East and West” so that we can properly appreciate the beauty and grandeur of Eastern Rome. I however think that some Greeks too are themselves responsible for disregarding(and often disassociating themselves with) that part of their past. I’d think that you’ve noticed a minority of Greeks that try to slander the 4th-6th century Byzantine Empire with ridiculous, pseudo-historical, revisionist, anti-Christian accusations while expressing a disdain for anything byzantine/orthodox and glorifying antiquity (and occasionally Ancient Greek religion). I find that this community, which seems to have been jumpstarted by some neo-pagan called Rassias, has lately been especially vocal and bothersome in academic forums. That goes to show just how prone the clueless, prosaic masses of the Greek folk are to misinformation and certain types of nationalism. I believe the hostility and disdain oftentimes expressed towards western academia is the result of that “we-know-better”attitude.
@@democracysaved2577 Wrong. It was the one and only Roman Empire. Greek culture, language, architecture, art, poetry, philosophy, maths, and yes even laws… we’re dominated by Greek thought, even in The Pagan Roman Empire. When the Roman Empire became Christian, the Greek culture, art, philosophy ultimately dominated even more… it was what it was. This didn’t just the fact that there was NO multiple Roman empires, there was only ONE. Also NO ONE even called it Byzantium until very recently, no one in the world called them Byzantine, they called them Roman. Byzantium, was simply the ancients land district, where the new Roman capital was built, ….Constantinople. This has ZERO to do with the name of the Empire..
You are mistaken when you compare the word liturgical with ceremonial. Liturgical is best translated into "the work of the people". When we Orthodox attend our services we are there not to attend a ceremony. We are not there to be entertained or to achieve a heightened emotional state. We are there to work. And our work is the worship of God.
The Greek Orthodox church continues and preserves the wonderful Byzantine traditions completely unchanged. Congrats for this great video.
I am a Byzantine Fan from Germany.
Gott segne dich 🙏🏻
I never knew that St. John of Damascus created the Byzantine nodes. Between that and his defense of the holy icons, his sainthood is readily apparent!
@@user-tg5mq8ky2y Exactly!
Now I see how the Silk road musics have so many common elements; From Greece to India all the way to Korean Peninsula , with China and Iran in between.
Greetings from Iran/California.
Thanks millions.
@iumaser3219Byzantas established, founded -didn't conquered by any stretch of imagination-, the colonial city that named after his name , Byzantium .
@iumaser3219 "by any stretch of imagination-" it's a way of speaking, idiomatic phrase, similar to the phrase "by any means" nothing to take it literally. Put the blame on Mame. On Google l mean.
Words cannot express how thankful I am for this. Such beauty and such clarity in the presentation. Please pray for me, the sinner, that God may have mercy on me and that I may join His Church in song with the choirs of angels singing praises to Him for all eternity.
Alleluia!
if byzantine is my blood, pontic lyra is my veins. Thanks, Father Averkios!
I am discovering my Greek and Orthodox heritage, and this video has been a rich trove of cultural history to indulge.
Such a beautifully executed documentary on how The Orthodox word resonates. Χριστός Ανέστη ☦️
Koukla Alithos Anesti! Last Wednesday, May 4, my wife and I marked 53 years since we were received into Holy Orthodoxy through Holy Chrismation ( May 4, 1969 ). We were young then, both 23 going on 24. The priest who administered the Mystery ( Sacrament ) was the late Fr. John T. Tavlarides, Dean of St. Sophia Greek Orthodox Cathedral in Washington DC. We joined the choir eventually, under the expert direction of Protopsaltis Harilaos Papapostolou, native of Athens, Greece, also now of blessed memory. I learned to chant Byzantine music alongside Harry at the kleros during Sunday morning Orthros. Consequently, I am still able to do this at my Antiochian parish ( now in English ) - at the tender age of 76! There is much more to the story of our journey of over half a century in Christ's Holy Church, but a significant event was our visit to the Ecumenical Patriarchate in Istanbul in 1996 and meeting His Beatitude Patriarch Bartholomew. This was part of a pilgrimage we were on with Fr. John and others to both Russia and Turkey that same year. I also went to Mount Athos with a group of 5 other men in 2006, and visited some of the monasteries shown in this video. My wife and I will be married 55 years next month ( June 17, 1967 ), and firmly believe that the longevity of our marriage may be credited to our mutual love for and involvement in the Church into which we were not originally born, but adopted in our early 20s.
@@jaycorby Πόσο, πραγματικά υπέροχο είναι αυτό που διάβασα!! Αδέρφια, Χριστός Ανέστη. Αθηνα🇬🇷
Peace and love to all Orhtodox sisters and brothers all over the world
THIS VIDEO WILL HAVE 10 MILLION VIEWERS BY X*MAS. Absolutely beautiful and honest.
Christ has risen! This is a beautiful documentary! God bless you brothers and sisters! Greetings from Costa Rica.
En verdad ha resucitado!
@@iwatchyoutube9425 ΑΛΗΘΏΣ ΑΝΕΣΤΗ
Glory to God for all things! ☦️
as a French convert, i'm very glad for this tremendous work. Thank you!
This is unknown in the West largely because there is an extreme bias against the Eastern Roman Empire. To this day, people still say Rome fell in the 400's when in fact it didn't fall until 1453.
Agreed, the west either likes to believe Rome fell after the vandals sacked the capital or that its continuation was an inferior italian version. I say Italians because western people I converse with don't want to accept rome was hellenised. They despise it so much that it's the only European empire Hollywood/TV never represented.
I was surprised the Greek professor didn't spell it out, calling it instead "Constantine's empire".
Rome did fall gradually but elements lived on in the West. The Eastern Roman Empire did not fall until Islam destroyed it in the 15th century as was Islam's wicked aim. Now Islam has its eyes on Western Europe and the Old Rome. Western Europeans focus on Rome because that is the centre of our Greco Roman Christian culture. The traditional Roman liturgy is older than that of the East. We have great love and respect for the ancient patriarchies especially Constantinople still held captive by Islam.
@@SerenusNoctus the use of the word Byzantine Empire and Constantine's Empire is not accurate. The citizend of the Eastern Roman Empire called themselves Romans. The Empire East and West ha two coemperors. Both were Romans as Roman citizenship had been extended to all by the Emperor Commodus? centuries before.
@johnfisher247 It was thanks to the edict Caracalla, not Commodus'. As typical, a hateful religious fundamentalist and profound reactionary is also quite ignorant.
This is such an excellent initiative, to see the Orthodox Faith come back to Britain is wonderful.
Byzantine Catholic?
What do you mean, 'come back'? the Orthodox church has never been much of a thing here, it belongs to Eastern Europe...the Catholic church on the other hand, the Western equivalent, has never gone away.
Byzantine went west past Italy, so Orthodox religion went west as well. And Orthodox people traveled, including on silk road. It's influence was allover Europe. Much of our history has been erased.
@@paddymeboy - Until the 8th C there was only one Christian Church. St Augustine, for example, is also a saint in the Orthodox tradition.
Must say …I did not feel welcome there.i am Romanian
Χριστός Ανέστη! Its great to see how interest has grown in the west about the Eastern Roman Empire in both its history and faith, during the last years!
Alitos Anesti :)
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Absolutely beautiful and important to us all. Thank you, God Bless the musicians and journalists.
Wonderful to hear and i appreciate the music as sung. It lifts my heart to Christ our God.
Χριστος Ανεστη!
_Yuhanna ibn Sarjoon ibn Mansur al-Taghlibi_ , _aka_ St John of Damascus, is also considered the father of secular Arabian music. His eight scales system is used in the Arab world, whether in music, or in Quran Tahbeer (Quranic cantillation recitating ) and Azan (prayer call).
Greetings and Peace from Morocco!
Thanks for this! I always thought the commonalities between Byzantine chants and Muslim prayers are no coincidence.
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We Greeks and Arabs always build up on eachothers advancments be they in Philosophy, the Sciences or here, with Music
Love from Cyprus!
@@SerenusNoctus Nah they're different. Just google or youtube it. I've heard too many Quranic recitations and never once did I feel familiarity when listening to Byzantine chants. The latter is sublime and charismatic, it inspires awe, while the former feels 'sad' and melancholic.
@@zainabe9503 Well, two things can be different and still have commonalities.
From my perspective, Byzantine music is more remote to Western Christian music than to Arabic music.
Thank you all for this beautiful documentary!
What an beautiful and informative documentary about the legacy of the Eastern Roman music. Congratulations!
@academy of st juliana, this is a video we all needed and many more similar ones. The last one you made was 2 years ago. Please produce more content as it is truly needed. God bless your work!
This is a Beautiful documentary! ATHOS level quality!
This was a completely new experience for me... I liked it. I really really liked the part with the hymn being sung in different languages. The polish and arabic version sounded especially good.
Byzantine music was added by UNESCO in 2019 to its list of Intangible Cultural Heritage “as a living art that has existed for almost 2,000 years, the Byzantine chant is a significant cultural tradition and comprehensive music system forming part of the common musical traditions that developed in the Byzantine Empire”. ☦️🇬🇷
How beautiful! My Afghan hubby and I enjoyed this!
Congratulations for your wonderful documentary! It is very professionally made and very insightful. I am so glad you picked good examples of the singing of byzantine chants because not every choir in every church in every Greek neighbourhood have studied music of any kind.
This is truly remarkable! You would expect documentaries of such quality from large producers.
Thank you for this!
This is a wonderful, comprehensive and informative documentary. I find this documentary intruging and eye opening. It's very well done. As a classically trained musician, I have been trying to find out more about Byzantine music/Hellenic Ecclesiatical while relating to Western Classical Music. May many more good documentaries come!
Im so grateful to have found this!!!
Fascinating. Thank you so much for this.
thank you for this wondeful educational experience . sing on brothers to the Glory of God!
God bless you and your work!!!
A beautiful and really interesting documentary, I enjoyed this very much. I deeply respect this Tradition.
Great work. Thank you!
Greetings from Austria
Congratulations for this video !!! Excellent work 👍
Saint Nektarios of Aigina composed the hymn "Agni Parthene Despoina" around the end of 19th century.
Great job! Greetings from Lebanon
Thank you for this lovely video.
But please note: the "Agni parthene" in 'Russian' and 'Polish' were in neither of those languages, but both in Church Slavonic.
Thank you for such insightful look at music history.
SUBLIME!, Thank YOU!!!
From my understanding, the modes of Byzantine music predates St. John of Damascus. He did however help to explain it in his book. The modes predates even Christianity itself. Even the Greek philosopher Pythagoras likely used similar tones in his musical formulations.
Hello! Thank you for your comment. That is correct. In the section "History" at 6:30 - The documentary elaborates that the music system arose from the already existing cultural tradition - musically that would be what we now refer to as Ancient Greek music, as it goes on to say St. John of Damascus was the one who established the system of 8 modes (Octoechos) (selecting them from the ancient modal system), that would be the foundation of Byzantine Ecclesiastical music, and that it is essentially the continuation of Ancient Greek Music and its modal system.
Cela part directement du coeur vers la résonnance de la voie lactée. DIEU !
Beautiful work.
Beautiful documentary!
This is best thing I've ever heard hallelujah ✝️
Χριστός Ανέστη!!!
Most informative!!
Glad your channel's back. Nice documentary about a criminally under discussed civilisation. Decent productions on the medieval era of the Roman empire are rare
This is just a great video, i am a recent convert from American Protestentism to Eastern Orthodox, I go to an OCA church that is a Russian/Slavic church plant. I would love to see a video on the creation and practice of the diffrence Tones and why there is such wide expressions of Orthodox music yet it is all so similar.
Beautiful!
Wow
Such a wonderful video
As a catholic I truly wish someone would make a video of this quality on Neumes and Gregorian music
In 14:07 he says "it is not that I have any special vocal talent". (he attributes his position as chief chanter to the will of God). It is the opposite of what the subtitles read.
Thank you for this.
Byzantine chant has always fascinanted me from a musical perspective. Does anyone know of a good source (books or series of videos) to start learning to compose byzantine music?
Beautifully informative!
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No wisdom but in submission to the Gods.
Big words are always punished,
And proud men in old age learn to be wise.”
Sophocles (496-406 BCE), Antigone
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Great video
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What is the name of the book at 1:11, and when can I find it online.
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excellent documentary
This music sounds very familiar to me... I'm not sure about historical facts, but some Ottoman Sufi music also sounds quite similar. Especially those samples from Kani Karaca (Kâni Karaca) that you can find on youtube too... Ottoman Sufi music began its proliferation after about death of Mevlana, and fall of İstanbul, (Constantinople of Byzantine)... You can listen a few here:
ua-cam.com/video/R6JCgaKMKRk/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/oL29ZHKwnGo/v-deo.html
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It is not a coincidence. There is a distinct connection between the music you mention and the development of the Byzantine system.
People lived close to each other in the ancient world, and over long periods of time. There was bound to be 'cross contamination' among various groups with food, music, language, architecture etc.
@@jaycorby yes plausible...
Byzantine chant influenced Ottoman Sufi music, not the other way around. Ottoman Muslims based their mosques on Orthodox temples for example, and countless other practices in Islam are copied and influenced by Orthodoxy.
@@NoeticInsight Correct. Considering that Islam did not emerge until the 7th century AD it is a foregone conclusion that it would have 'copied' certain elements from Christianity which was continuing to develop in what is known as the Levant and Near East.
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32:17 this is not polish, but russian, and it's not ancient, but the poem of Saint Nectarios of Aegina from the beginning of the 20th century.
It is the Polish female choir. An amazing ensemble and so beautiful. I think the point of this section and conclusion was to show this tradition's global significance, and modern relevance, hence choosing a modern piece and deliberately not something ancient. That is how I understood it.
@@maryrembrandt7388 It's not a polish choir. Where did you get that from?
It's the choir of nun Juliania Denisova.
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I think you are mistaken.
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@@therussian572 It is the Polish female choir. ua-cam.com/video/GtRc9HFr96g/v-deo.html
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I don't know Greek. IS there Chants in English, to sing with understanding. It was originally sung in native language. Can it be sung in other languages?
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Ι'm Greek so it sounds a bit strange to me, but it is nice.
It can and is sung in all languages, including English. Here is an example ua-cam.com/video/TMGX6183Acs/v-deo.html
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What English translation of the Bible is most recommended by the Greek Orthodox Church?
I’m not sure if the Greek Church has an official stance on this, but as a classical philologist and archaeologist (I have specialized in Ancient Greek, and Latin, Biblical Hebrew and Aramaic, Ancient Egyptian, and Akkadian), I can tell you that the KJV is by far the best English translation of the Bible. Not only is it generally the most accurate translation of the Septuagint and the Koine NT into English, but is also a work of great poetic beauty in itself.
@@dorianphilotheates3769 Thanks for your reply. Are you familiar with the New King James version, or the EOB New Testament? Both are translations based on the same Greek text as the KJV.
James Trotter - You’re most welcome. Yes, but I still prefer the original KJV; it may be over four centuries old, but to me, the standard of scholarship and the sheer beauty of the translation remains unchallenged. People complain that it’s archaic, but it was so (and was intended to be) even when it was first commissioned.
@@dorianphilotheates3769 I grew up on the KJV, and I agree with your assessment. I have the NKJV but not the EOB. I like the NKJV, but I think that the KJV is far superior in accuracy and when I read it, I know that I'm reading the written word of the living Word of God.
Orthodox study Bible.
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34:04 Werner Ziegler
This video could have been 20 times as long! It's wonderful, but it's a bit of a tease...
The most common name used for Constantinople by Byzantine historians of the 10th C and later was Byzantium. The word Constantinople appears extremely rarely in writing from that period. Since the Emperor of the Romans was ruling from Byzantium, the empire was termed Byzantine by modern historians. The Byzantines themselves did not have a name for the empire as the emperor of the Romans was ruling on behalf of God and, therefore, the empire was perceived as global. From a modern perspective it has become customary to call it Byzantine after its capital Byzantium as opposed to Roman, to avoid confusion with the ancient Roman Empire centred on Rome.
But the people of that country called themselves Romans or Romeans or Romaioi
I called it Christian Rome.
Byzantines did have a name for the empire. They called it Roman. In ALL Byzantine texts we see that the empire it's the Roman Empire for them and after the 11th century they adopted the name Rhomanía for their lands. That name as also for themselves as Rhomaioi continued to be used all the way up until the creation of modern Greek state which the ancient name Hellas (Greece) took again more favor.
The very fact that in the Turkish language the translation of that Greek terms became Rumelia (land of the Romans) and Rums (Romans) for the Greek Orthodoxs. The very name of Rumelia was used by the ottomans massively for all lands in the ottoman empire with Greek Orthodox population until the 20th century. Even today the region of Central Greece is known traditionally as Rumeli (through Turkish for Land of the Romans).
Thank you for spreading misinformation around
@@vanmars5718 - No, what we see is that the emperor is referred to as Emperor of the Romans. The empire is not named, not even referred to as an empire. The emperor ruled on behalf of God, therefore it was not a state in the sense of modern states. The fact that history books draw borders around the empire does not mean that the empire had a name.
@@geoffreyM2TW OMG....I've studied Byzantine texts dude. I can read all the Greek texts and inscriptions. They called their state Roman Empire and they thought themselves as Rhomaioi... That's all.
And NO the word Byzantium is actually mentioned one or two times by the Byzantines when they referred to the city of Constantinople...JUST TWO times and that in a very specific way and not because any common person called the city as such.
It hurts that people like you really feel comfortable enough to go and make such comments around the media, spreading such misinformation.
Are u really satisfied? Are u made yourself proud for providing lies based on your agenda and bias? I can understand where u came from and the ideology you hold and we both know that you are just a little rat providing only lies. You should be ashamed
It was saint Vladimir The Great..Isapostolos. who sent emissaries to find the religion for his people..he was king of the Rus ..in his capital Kiev.
Same principles can be applied to Gregorian Chants of the Western Church. Today's Music, much derived from Protestantism, and not theologically sound, thus my longing for total return to the time honored Gregorian Chants.
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Byzantine music would not have survived if christ had not defeated death. ICXC NIKA
What is the name of the song that starts at 00:50 ?
Εξομολογείσθε τω Κυρίω/Oh Give Thanks Unto The Lord.Ψαλμός/Psalm 135. Another version of that psalm ua-cam.com/video/lf22wzskaI0/v-deo.html
GOD is one for all the people. People are humans and they have their own opinions and they think that they are right. So they split from the ORIGINAL TRUE FAITH.
Anyone know how to find the first song?
ποιοι ειναι στη βυζαντινη μουσικη οι κανονες που προερχονται απο τους εβραιους?.....θελω παρα πολυ να μαθω
Η βυζαντινή μουσική ήταν εξέλιξη της ελληνο-ρωμαικης μουσικής που υπήρχε για αιώνες. Αν μιλάμε μόνο για την θρησκευτική βυζαντινή μουσική, σε αυτήν φυσικά δόθηκαν ορισμένοι κανόνες στους επόμενους αιώνες, όπως κυρίως από τον Άγιο Ιωάννη Δαμασκηνό. Γενικά καμία σχέση με Εβραίους και τα λοιπά. Απορώ με την ερώτηση. Η άγνοια είναι τρομερά επικίνδυνη
δεν απαντατε στο ερωτημα......ποιοι ειναι οι κανονες που προερχονται απο τους εβραιους οπως λεει το βιντεο?.....αφηστε τις ειρωνιες περι αγνοιας κατα μερους
@@vanmars5718 8.12......αφου μιλας για αγνοια κοιτα το βιντεο .....ετσι για να μην απορεις.....
the 2nd city in byzantine empire was Alexandria
Not to diminish Alexandria's importance, but while Constantinople was called "Vasilévousa", i.e. the reigning (city), Thessaloniki was called the "Symvasilévousa", meaning the co-reigning.
Perhaps it has to do with the fact that Thessaloniki stayed under the control of the Eastern Roman Empire until it's fall.
Until it was conquered by the Muslims in the 7th century.
@@SerenusNoctus No, it had to do that Alexandria was fell to the Arabs very soon in the 6th century while Thessaloniki evolved through the centuries as the second most important when the borders of the Empire were actually finalized into what is today Greece and Turkey.
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Bella4358, θα γινει.... ανατροπή!!! Όλα θα γίνουν όπως πρέπει κ οπως ο Θεός ορίζει!!!
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Listening to this is giving me an aneurysm: It's not Byzantine, there was no "Byzantine" Empire. They were Romans, they called themselves Romans and spoke Greek.
Yes, yes.I am sure a lot of watchers here know that, and certainly the makers of this video. Nonetheless, it is the term given, albeit much later, by scholars to refer to the period and culture. Have you read Fr Romanides?
We know. Everybody remotely involved in historical discourse knows. It’s purely a convention. Greek scholars and academics themselves use this terminology. It’s high time Greeks learnt that academia does not revolve around their ethnocentric pride
@@hadriananton9762 - Calling them Romans or calling them Byzantines, I do not see how either is ethnocentric. I should think that calling them Romans would be less ethnocentric since everyone in the empire was "Roman". What some Greeks are upset about is probably that byzantine history has been for a long time sidelined or ignored. I once had checked a British history schoolbook about the Middle Ages and there was not a word about Byzantium. There was also very little in Edward Gibbon's Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire about Byzantium. Constantine the Great was perhaps a historical inconvenience. Then where there is ignorance, there can follow misunderstanding and prejudice. As an example, a fellow university student once told me that a Greek friend of the family returning from a pilgrimage in the Holy Lands presented them with a silver-gilded icon. He said they afterwards removed the silver and got rid of the icon, they thought that putting silver on the icon was in bad taste and in any case inappropriate to have icons as "objects of worship".
@@hadriananton9762 That's not the point, the point is it's not accurate and it's a reflection of an outdated term that has implications, namely a diassociation with the Empire's Romaness and also an orientalist attribution as well. It's time we accurately reflected what this Empire was, which was a Greek Speaking Roman Empire.
@@nikolaosaggelopoulos8113 I definitely agree that the historical importance of Byzantine history has been significantly and criminally downgraded as has the significance of Islamic, Persian and/or Chinese history. The “West” tends to have really peculiar ideas about what constitutes the history of “Western Civilization” and thus usually ignores incredibly important parts of European history and heritage i.e byzantine history and culture. Gibbon as we all know is considered more of a babbling, anti-Christian, irrationally biased and sarcastic charlatan than a credible modern historian. Many scholars, myself included, try to rid ourselves of such ridiculous notions such as “East and West” so that we can properly appreciate the beauty and grandeur of Eastern Rome. I however think that some Greeks too are themselves responsible for disregarding(and often disassociating themselves with) that part of their past. I’d think that you’ve noticed a minority of Greeks that try to slander the 4th-6th century Byzantine Empire with ridiculous, pseudo-historical, revisionist, anti-Christian accusations while expressing a disdain for anything byzantine/orthodox and glorifying antiquity (and occasionally Ancient Greek religion). I find that this community, which seems to have been jumpstarted by some neo-pagan called Rassias, has lately been especially vocal and bothersome in academic forums. That goes to show just how prone the clueless, prosaic masses of the Greek folk are to misinformation and certain types of nationalism. I believe the hostility and disdain oftentimes expressed towards western academia is the result of that “we-know-better”attitude.
Byzantine empire= the second Rome=The Greek Empire
It was NOT the Byzantine Empire, it was the Roman Empire.
@@democracysaved2577 Wrong. It was the one and only Roman Empire. Greek culture, language, architecture, art, poetry, philosophy, maths, and yes even laws… we’re dominated by Greek thought, even in The Pagan Roman Empire. When the Roman Empire became Christian, the Greek culture, art, philosophy ultimately dominated even more… it was what it was. This didn’t just the fact that there was NO multiple Roman empires, there was only ONE. Also NO ONE even called it Byzantium until very recently, no one in the world called them Byzantine, they called them Roman. Byzantium, was simply the ancients land district, where the new Roman capital was built, ….Constantinople. This has ZERO to do with the name of the Empire..
Indeed. And I'd argue that the music is neither Byzantine nor Hellenic as the protopsaltis in the video suggested, it's simply Roman music
@@apmoy70 Yes, that’s exactly what I thought.
You are mistaken when you compare the word liturgical with ceremonial. Liturgical is best translated into "the work of the people". When we Orthodox attend our services we are there not to attend a ceremony. We are not there to be entertained or to achieve a heightened emotional state. We are there to work. And our work is the worship of God.
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