Do you have any tips on how to get better defense or just better at the game entirely I don’t really know that many mechanics but i struggle mainly on defense 😭
how long can you hold up on the analog and then press square to activate super counter. And do I have to let go of up on the analog if I fail the input and reinput it to try again or can I hold up and press square again. Or do I have to push up on the analog stick in sort of conjunction with square the video said it doesn’t have to be at the exact same time but does it have to be around that time.
@@Drodz1030 I recommend going for the old-fashioned method of pressing up+punch at the same time instead of holding the analog stick but yes, you would have to let go of the analog stick (probably) & reinput it.
Hi, can you confirm if it's possible to do a super counter during a long vanish war or not(not using Trunks)? I think I did it a couple of times in training and ranked, but I never managed to do it again after the first patch. Unfortunately I didn't record. I also cannot find a clip to confirm that it's doable.
Everyone deserves to understand the mechanics of the game, whether they be new or experienced. Just like you deserved to. He didn’t have to post this for you to see. Proper recognition is the right way, man. Good job :-)
Side note about the sidestep bait to super counters: If you are the defending player, you can get around it by holding guard while you do that, as guarding takes priority over attacking if it has been held. You can also do it from the front to defend against mixups ki-blast/strike mixups, but ofc doing this forgoes using perception and makes it more difficult to defend vanish attacks and throws.
Yeah, this helped a lot. I swear nobody can or wants to put out a video explaining this as straightforward as you do here. I will be practicing this in my matches 🙏😎👍
Interesting. Great knowedge, wish they would adopt the timing windows of For Honor (literally an indicator to help you time parries) so we could see. With enough visual confirmation, I am sure a lot of players could become more consistent. Since I use headphones, the audio cues are what I use because I can time my input with the sounds of hits on me unguarded or for Sway the sounds on my guard. Thats worked tremendously well but now I feel truly enlightened, there were some situations I felt like I definitely countered. I did not even know about the small lockout but always assumed there had to be one. Or felt that way for me at least, most of my opponents counter me at will -_-
For part 1, would it not be that the hit box isn't active until later in the animation? Rather than it being a spacing issue fixed by the hitbox finally reaching behind the character model to the hurtbox. Anyway, great vid! Good tips on varying timing of attacks and doing resets
Ik this isn't a counter question but can someone explain why when I try to do a combo and finish with a special move my character just keeps trying to punch still? I remember the older games u could just go from mashing right into a special move but it's almost like this game is just ignoring my input and going "nah bro I want to punch him more"
Every super counter guide i’ve seen they practice the timing on charge smash attacks, what about the basic rush attack combo? Timing Broly and Giants specifically.
show the timing in slow motion is not enough, I need to see it in normal speed to more feel the timing, especially because when I get a combo is so fast that I can't see the first hit so It would help a lot that you tell me when hold the stick and the attack button in normal speed and several times with several characters
@LOLegitimateLOLegitimate I feel like I actually have to hit it earlier than a vanish.. like I'm thinking when I'd hit vanish and do it slightly earlier, and I'm a bit more reliable than that.. it's just confusing to me
Probably stupid question but, is the direction for super counter always up? Or do I have to point towards the opponent? (So say if my opponent is hitting me from the left, do I still do the super counter input with the direction being up? Or do I have to do it to the left?)
People are exaggerating how hard super counters are. For people experiencing lag, yeah they have to fix the servers fs, but 4 frames isn’t anything remotely crazy for fighting games. A lot of fighting games have 1 frame inputs. I actually think they should make it have to be 1 frame more accurate each time you do it in a row so the pros don’t get into these drawn out counter battles, and it wouldn’t effect new players either. Edit: wait it’s 2 frames? I heard it’s 4 and it feels like 4 to me because I usually really struggle with 2 frame inputs 😭
It doesn't make any sense for the hurt box "behind" your character model. That's impossible because this is a 3D game, and you can be hit from any side. What is more likely is that the hurt box doesn't register that the attack connects until after the super counter window ends. That would normally look terrible, but two frames are very difficult to notice in practice. This explains why their hit box can intersect with your hurt box for a couple of frames. I really hate how, over decades of making fighting games, the devopers still refuse to simply explain how this stuff really works in the game. Why do we need to count frames and guess?
@@TAJIG most ppl cant reliably use it during vanish war cause thats the only difficult way to use it, but its easy to use for escaping combos because you can literally mash it 5 times per second which is rlly easy on keyboard for example
I hate that game tutorials are so trash in this age that ppl literally have to go to uTube to learn everything not being told, like... bruh just put it in the game
All that “lore accurate’ bs just for hits to phase through character models 😂🤣 This game needs help. Idc if you say “skill issue’ We all know it’s beyond flawed. This community makes me sick they’re lucky I couldn’t get my refund this game was a huge disappointment.
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Do you have any tips on how to get better defense or just better at the game entirely I don’t really know that many mechanics but i struggle mainly on defense 😭
You're welcome for the assistance. I'll try to check back here if anyone has questions or wants further help.
how long can you hold up on the analog and then press square to activate super counter. And do I have to let go of up on the analog if I fail the input and reinput it to try again or can I hold up and press square again. Or do I have to push up on the analog stick in sort of conjunction with square the video said it doesn’t have to be at the exact same time but does it have to be around that time.
@@Drodz1030 I recommend going for the old-fashioned method of pressing up+punch at the same time instead of holding the analog stick but yes, you would have to let go of the analog stick (probably) & reinput it.
Hi, can you confirm if it's possible to do a super counter during a long vanish war or not(not using Trunks)? I think I did it a couple of times in training and ranked, but I never managed to do it again after the first patch. Unfortunately I didn't record. I also cannot find a clip to confirm that it's doable.
BTW, I play on PC.
@@qjc7838 It was possible during week 1. Even I haven't been able to do it anymore since.
Im at a weird crossroad of hoping nobody sees this video, but also wanting you to get the proper recognition. Thanks for this seriously. 🐐
Everyone deserves to understand the mechanics of the game, whether they be new or experienced. Just like you deserved to. He didn’t have to post this for you to see. Proper recognition is the right way, man. Good job :-)
It's way funner when everyone uses all the tools.
Facts 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Nooooooo skill in going to youtube looking for handouts.
I've been hitting super counters much more consistently since watching this video, great tips and overview vs 99% of the other content on this!
Thank You! Glad its helped!
Side note about the sidestep bait to super counters:
If you are the defending player, you can get around it by holding guard while you do that, as guarding takes priority over attacking if it has been held.
You can also do it from the front to defend against mixups ki-blast/strike mixups, but ofc doing this forgoes using perception and makes it more difficult to defend vanish attacks and throws.
Also for online timing for different player might be off due to latency and ping differences
timing it slightly after is very important.
Yeah, this helped a lot. I swear nobody can or wants to put out a video explaining this as straightforward as you do here. I will be practicing this in my matches 🙏😎👍
Was in my recommendation glad I watched. Great video
Just came across your channel. Thank you for the in-depth video. Im subscribing off this alone. Looking fwd to your vids.
Subbed, amazing detail in this vid 🔥
Honestly liked the video for the artistical depiction of it. 10/10 professional artist.
Best guide ever seen, talking and showing ;) SZ
holy shit this is the video i was waiting for thank you!!!!
Most detailed one I ever seen 💯💯👀
Kakarot yu dog 😈
Without a doubt THE best guide on Super Counter
I needed this! I'm so bad at Super Counter, I only successfully get it by luck.
Me too
@@martinyau807 Been in training mode for awhile and honestly still have trouble with Super Counter. Haha
@@vaaaaa1995same I can’t time it how
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Also for me personally I changed my monitor refresh rate down to 60fps, idk if that is just a me thing but i could counter way more consistently
I see what they make Ki Blast really effective in this game. It's the perfect strategy and it racks up damage. Charged Ki blasts too.
this man just dropped tech !
Now there are 2 videos that explain it like this.
What's the other video?
@@BURN1NGWATER title "How To Super Counter FRAME 1! DRAGON BALL: Sparking! ZERO" at around 1:20 he also draws in paint
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At full speed, it's just hard to see. That's my problem. Good video tho.
This comment is the bread and butter 😂 because sheesh can we fix this bug 😭
@@og_5964what bug
Ya fr how are u supposed to see these small windows to input super counter
hi I like your video but I need precision when you say slow down the hits it is to make heavy hits or really press gently for the combo rush
4:08 my forearms give out every match for that reason
Interesting. Great knowedge, wish they would adopt the timing windows of For Honor (literally an indicator to help you time parries) so we could see. With enough visual confirmation, I am sure a lot of players could become more consistent. Since I use headphones, the audio cues are what I use because I can time my input with the sounds of hits on me unguarded or for Sway the sounds on my guard. Thats worked tremendously well but now I feel truly enlightened, there were some situations I felt like I definitely countered. I did not even know about the small lockout but always assumed there had to be one. Or felt that way for me at least, most of my opponents counter me at will -_-
Amazing vid
For part 1, would it not be that the hit box isn't active until later in the animation? Rather than it being a spacing issue fixed by the hitbox finally reaching behind the character model to the hurtbox. Anyway, great vid! Good tips on varying timing of attacks and doing resets
Ik this isn't a counter question but can someone explain why when I try to do a combo and finish with a special move my character just keeps trying to punch still? I remember the older games u could just go from mashing right into a special move but it's almost like this game is just ignoring my input and going "nah bro I want to punch him more"
It happens, just make sure your hitting your trigger b4 you hit your attack button
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hey that's me again; also, great vid!
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Every super counter guide i’ve seen they practice the timing on charge smash attacks, what about the basic rush attack combo? Timing Broly and Giants specifically.
its the exact same even if its a rush attack, theres multiple examples of it being preformed in the video with inputs!
I still can’t super counter and i be pressing up and square at the same time idk why tho
“Just use ki blast… basically every character has them”
Me, a Daima Goku main: 😖
W vid
Is that the Gohan master?!?
Thanks for the video i do believe super counters ruin the game a bit. Especially when spammed timing requirement should be smaller tbh
tks man!
show the timing in slow motion is not enough, I need to see it in normal speed to more feel the timing, especially because when I get a combo is so fast that I can't see the first hit so It would help a lot that you tell me when hold the stick and the attack button in normal speed and several times with several characters
How does the timing compare Vs a vanish? Would the super counter need to be triggered later or earlier than you would a vanish?
later, vanish timing is before ur hit, sc is WHEN ur hit
@LOLegitimateLOLegitimate I feel like I actually have to hit it earlier than a vanish.. like I'm thinking when I'd hit vanish and do it slightly earlier, and I'm a bit more reliable than that.. it's just confusing to me
Bro you do super counter the exact moment your about to get hit
Vanishing is done a moment before you get hit its very different timings @andreadlz
@@andreadlzpretty much trigger it later than a vanish
is this just up and square
Where that video of hardy vs slime
I can super counter but I struggle to super counter kid buu...
There’s like one in 10 matches I go ultra instinct and do it 5 times in a row
How do you do the sweep tech?
Thank you for the video
Im struggling at B5 im so shit in this game 😂
I’m pretty sure they said it was 4 frames to do super counter ??
Another “my super counter guide is better and goes over the things other videos don’t” *rolls eyes*
Probably stupid question but, is the direction for super counter always up? Or do I have to point towards the opponent?
(So say if my opponent is hitting me from the left, do I still do the super counter input with the direction being up? Or do I have to do it to the left?)
up
@@majinvegeta2072 thank you! 🙏
I think super counters need to be taken out, and revenge counters need to take their place
NICE VID VERY HELPFUL,let's hope budokai vets don't pull up to say well we already knew this ,nigga who tf is we I ain't know this shit 😂😂😂😂
How to sweep?
I’ve been going at it for several days to no avail am I cooked 😭🙏
People are exaggerating how hard super counters are. For people experiencing lag, yeah they have to fix the servers fs, but 4 frames isn’t anything remotely crazy for fighting games. A lot of fighting games have 1 frame inputs. I actually think they should make it have to be 1 frame more accurate each time you do it in a row so the pros don’t get into these drawn out counter battles, and it wouldn’t effect new players either.
Edit: wait it’s 2 frames? I heard it’s 4 and it feels like 4 to me because I usually really struggle with 2 frame inputs 😭
great video twin
Currently s3 on Xbox 😬
But whose seeing that with as fast this game is lol
People who practice and get better.
It doesn't make any sense for the hurt box "behind" your character model. That's impossible because this is a 3D game, and you can be hit from any side. What is more likely is that the hurt box doesn't register that the attack connects until after the super counter window ends. That would normally look terrible, but two frames are very difficult to notice in practice.
This explains why their hit box can intersect with your hurt box for a couple of frames.
I really hate how, over decades of making fighting games, the devopers still refuse to simply explain how this stuff really works in the game. Why do we need to count frames and guess?
Alot of these guide are shown with Xbox i notice
the super counter cooldown only being 12 frames is ridiculous that shiii needs to lock you out for a whole second if you fuck up
Ss4 gogeta would be unstoppable once he hits you
i dont understand why ppl say this stuff like they cant play the game because of super counters, most ppl cant even reliably use it???
@@TAJIG most ppl cant reliably use it during vanish war cause thats the only difficult way to use it, but its easy to use for escaping combos because you can literally mash it 5 times per second which is rlly easy on keyboard for example
I hate super counter and wish it was just removed
Copy paste video from others creators, i expected you research to bring something new im disappointed
Bruh youre the only one crying
:(
Not everyone watches the same person u do know that right
Brother if it's not your taste, why not show us what you can teach us. All broham was doing much love to him and all he does for the vids
This made me worse at Z counters
I hate that game tutorials are so trash in this age that ppl literally have to go to uTube to learn everything not being told, like... bruh just put it in the game
It is in the game
Wow that I call an explanation
is this fortnite music why does it sound so nostalgic
great information btw
The first ost is from Sonic generation
No it’s not it’s background music from BT3 much older than fornite
It’s a 5 frame window not 2, that’s why u can mash it
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All that “lore accurate’ bs just for hits to phase through character models 😂🤣
This game needs help.
Idc if you say “skill issue’
We all know it’s beyond flawed.
This community makes me sick they’re lucky I couldn’t get my refund this game was a huge disappointment.
I’m sick of the super counter mechanic, it basically kills the combat in this game since you can just mash out of every combo.