Can't believe John EA singlehandedly deforested half of Finland's trees just to save on a few frames. Truly a hero for optimization, if the trees were in the game my pc would probably explode, killing me and all the Spiders that live with me and on me.
Personally I totally don't care about stage accuracy as it is completely meaningless. Most important thing is driving quality and here Real life > RBR > WRC.
@@nmelolI'm with you about accuracy of the panorama. It's meaningless to me. Both are games an both give me some thrills. Personally I don't know how an official wrc behave on Finnish gravel so I can only say both are entertaining games
I was there at Päijälä for this years wrc event, irl runs corners 4.41 - 4.51 (where katsuta had a spin irl) mark i gotta say playing EA WRC i had no idea i passed the corner combination because the altitude profile is complety wrong and the stages dont even feel like Finland because of lack of trees & foliage, really bummed completely ruins the immersion of the stages. It should be difficult twisty woods stage and not thru some fields also cant fathom how they got the altitude of the corner combination so wrong.
finland is one of the worst modeled locations in the game. it just feels bad to drive when its so far off from real. i like some locations a lot though. maybe its because im finnish and really used to how finland stages are supposed to look.
@@test-tl8dt Sama homma, kyl vituttaa, Virosta ja Oceaniast ite tykänny eniten. Saispa ite päättää puiden määrään esim. pelin pyörityksen kustannuksel ois
I live near Walim, I know this route by heart and I can confirm that it is perfectly reproduced. There is no point in fooling yourself that the physics in RBR beats WRC
@@monotechno074 I asked real rally driver (he drives Fabia r2) which game has most realistic physics and he said RBR. So I kinda trust him more than random stranger on internet.
Somehow Codemasters have a hard time making Finland look even close to what Finland looks like. It was same story with Dirt Rally 2.0. It's a shame because in DR 2.0 one of the best stages in the whole universe was ruined by the bad physics and now another amazing and iconic piece of road ruined by the choice of using Unreal Engine 4. Also they somehow managed to flatten the rollercoaster. In WRC the flow on Finnish roads is completely missing. It's a shame because the driving aspect of the game is rea-aly solid and Finnish roads should be the best thing since sliced bread. (Only roads I still can enjoy driving in RBR)
A lot of people have this misconception that Unreal Engine makes games look and behave certain ways, but it has nothing to do with it. The reason DR and EA WRC looks the way they do is an artistic choice. Probably because they think it will make them more money. It's a shame really.
What does WRC (Codemasters) have against adding the structures that go over the track 3:39 ...not sure what they are called. RBR in my opinion does a better job of at least trying to match the IRL stages.
@@-Markus- I believe in the game they are always placed a certain distance from the finish line. Maybe 1 or 2 km. Not sure if there is a particular logic behind them in real life.
Ea WRC stages feel lifeless like that. Thin crowds with bland animation, few sponsor boards and no archways on jumps, etc. Love driving the stages but even WRC Evolved(2005) was leaps ahead for immersion
There is some accurate points in WRC but the ambient, colors, trees(lack of it) and road textures are just wrong or bad. Should have done better job. Finnish stages in RBR, thanks to modders, are way more Finnish-like. I dont even mind if the road is not real road but the feeling, ambient and colors should be spot on.
1. MOAR TREES (probably just a performance thing why so many are missing) 2. Truly dynamic weather occasionally would be awesome, instead of just same start to finish all the time. 2.5. To go with that, wet roads don't instantly turn into slippy slidey zero traction nightmares. Please learn to scale this better. 3. All things considered all three are pretty close (but don't stop pushing) 4. Nice comparison video. Good job.
Im not even sure if WRC is actually missing the trees, its missing leafs tho, it looks like its fall in WRC while IRL looks like Summer (And RBR kinda depressing with the gray skies lol)
looks like EA WRC not trying to remake the realife version to the game, juat the same track but different foliage. if you find realism representative its bad, but if you doesnt really know the realife stage and new player like me its preety cool stage. i just noticed that EA wrc is lack of smal bump/imperfections on stage. its just a smooth ride, for me its litlebit less impresiveness for me
Most important things are: - Solberg is faster than the guy who drives for RBR and EA Sports WRC - Also, much-much more trees available IRL than in RBR + WRC has together
In despite of the age of the game , RBR looks very close to IRL and i don't talk about physics 😁 . WRC looks like a cartoon arcade game without taste .it looks like nothing .
I just get ea wrc. Im a rbr fan and spend some time in the game but EA wrc is not bad. Its actually very good and surprisingly feedback is very good,handling is good,better than dirt 2.0. It can be comparable with RBR easly,even rbr have issues with physics we need to admit. RBR can win only with number of stages and detail on some stages.
why do i look at this and think richard burns rally looks more realistic than ea sports wrc...? in fact, i even think it looks better. yes the trees are just sprites/ planes with transparency. but does it matter? it looks better and performs a thousand times better. sure its not as pretty as ea wrc. but it looks better to me, especially if you are playing in vr. kind of the same way assetto corsa looks so good even though its graphics tech is similar (trees just transparent planes etc)
Basing a graphic comparison on this video is a horrible idea, since he's compressed 3 different sequences into one 1080p presentation. Of course RBR looks good when it's on a screen space the size of a GameBoy.
@@socks2441 Blocky heads and pixel trees aren't realistic at all. I just watched a hi-def video of it to be sure, and it looks like rally racing on a Red Dead Redemption 1 map. There's no need to defend the graphics of RBR. It's not the point of the game.
im not, its dated. absolutely. but it gets the atmosphere, the colour grading etc far more realistic. its kind of like a vr shooter i used to play, the graphcis were super basic. but it looked way more realistic to me than, something with famously good graphics like half life alyx. each to their own. its just an opinion, i am not out to attack or defend anything. @@pixelcultmedia4252
@@pixelcultmedia4252 when you're going 140 thru forest you don't really see the low res textures, the colors and the density of them is much better which gives a better feeling.
Doubt... it has too much new elements like the gates on the road... but it can nicely be compared cuz EA wrc dont even have mod support which is very sad that everyting is limiten to base game... rbr could get anything if mod makers are active enough...
For me who is just enjoying a rally game as a normal user EA WRC is more nice to watch, im happy they went on and made the design a bit better then the normal footage of just trees. Sure they can have done a lot better also but really happy I dont have to drive around with just green trees everywhere.
RBR is great but there are two things that spoil the perception of excellence for this track - it feels too flat and there are not enough trees and bushes.
RBR is great for its age, and I cant argue that it might feel better and be the better rally sim, but anyone claiming RBR looks better and more realistic compared to the real life video must get their eyes fixed, WRC looks way better in ever way and much more like the real stage.
The biggest diffrence between RBR and WRC is the density of trees which make you see less. Also WRC looks more yellowish than real life. It's my opinion, yours might be diffrent but i get the more hardcore vibe from RBR. Also the gravel texture/colors are better in rbr imo.
@@dannyluck23 i agree with you... if rbr had 3d trees and better smoothnes to those rigged edges it would be damn near reality. the wrc is just too yellow and the gravel is made to look like gravel from argentina it just looks terrible😭 also ea wrc missing almost completely finnish ditches and trenches... i was very dissapointed to the finnish maps in ea wrc when i bought it. most of the stages from other countries look pretty good except they all miss the threes.
@@panukitunen6950there’s no similarity between WRC and IRL. It doesn’t resemble Finland in the slightest, the colours are wrong, the road surface is wrong, the trees are wrong, the actual stage Is different . Hopeless attempt. RBR better even visually
@@thebolt95 As someone who has made stuff like this. Not for RBR but the only difference is exporting to that game. It's less a miracle as it is time and effort. Which is actually more impressive than just calling it a miracle, kinda lessens the meticulous hours finding resources, photos, videos, or anything to give you a mental picture of what you are making. Building the models, texturing the models. Doing terrain by hand, or finding, or converting point cloud meshes of terrain and cleaning millions of vertices to render smoothly in engine. It's no miracle it's loads of hours of work.
"I personally think that Rally Finland is one of the least accurate looking rallies in EA WRC due to it's color inaccuracy and severe lack of trees/foliage. It is obvious that other rallies like Monte Carlo were given much more work." did you ever think that maybe its a different season? i notice your car footage for real life is from awhile back... RBR looks like a twenty yr old game and stating that you had to speed it up 3x means its LESS realistic than EA but whatever, maybe your system wont run EA so thats why you are complaining, BUT EA also states its not a sim... the whole point of WRC was to have a game that is fun to play, they never stated anywhere its a SIM
What do you guys think about the stage accuracy of WRC compared to RBR?
Can't believe John EA singlehandedly deforested half of Finland's trees just to save on a few frames.
Truly a hero for optimization, if the trees were in the game my pc would probably explode, killing me and all the Spiders that live with me and on me.
@@somethingcellular1981😀😀
Personally I totally don't care about stage accuracy as it is completely meaningless. Most important thing is driving quality and here Real life > RBR > WRC.
@nmelol The most important thing is that I continue to breathe while playing. Ahh, but that has nothing to do with the question, my bad.
@@nmelolI'm with you about accuracy of the panorama. It's meaningless to me.
Both are games an both give me some thrills. Personally I don't know how an official wrc behave on Finnish gravel so I can only say both are entertaining games
I was there at Päijälä for this years wrc event, irl runs corners 4.41 - 4.51 (where katsuta had a spin irl) mark i gotta say playing EA WRC i had no idea i passed the corner combination because the altitude profile is complety wrong and the stages dont even feel like Finland because of lack of trees & foliage, really bummed completely ruins the immersion of the stages. It should be difficult twisty woods stage and not thru some fields also cant fathom how they got the altitude of the corner combination so wrong.
finland is one of the worst modeled locations in the game. it just feels bad to drive when its so far off from real. i like some locations a lot though.
maybe its because im finnish and really used to how finland stages are supposed to look.
@@test-tl8dt Sama homma, kyl vituttaa, Virosta ja Oceaniast ite tykänny eniten. Saispa ite päättää puiden määrään esim. pelin pyörityksen kustannuksel ois
@@test-tl8dt im not finnish, never been to finland yet i can also tell that finland in EA WRC is just not finland-like at all
The colors of rbr of the trees and grass almost the same as real . Just the dx9 can't do the same .
so true... thats one reason why i play rbr... feels like real environment
Let's be honest, rbr just needs to be remastered!!!
More of needing a strong graphics mod because most ppl play the modded version and the original devs of RBR were bought a long time ago. True tho.
@@akinahara Not really, look at Rościszów - Walim quality. I really don't need more than that.
I live near Walim, I know this route by heart and I can confirm that it is perfectly reproduced. There is no point in fooling yourself that the physics in RBR beats WRC
@@monotechno074 I asked real rally driver (he drives Fabia r2) which game has most realistic physics and he said RBR. So I kinda trust him more than random stranger on internet.
it's not correct, the new generation maps are amazing (look for Zlin on youtube) and there is no gap with modern games
Somehow Codemasters have a hard time making Finland look even close to what Finland looks like. It was same story with Dirt Rally 2.0. It's a shame because in DR 2.0 one of the best stages in the whole universe was ruined by the bad physics and now another amazing and iconic piece of road ruined by the choice of using Unreal Engine 4. Also they somehow managed to flatten the rollercoaster. In WRC the flow on Finnish roads is completely missing. It's a shame because the driving aspect of the game is rea-aly solid and Finnish roads should be the best thing since sliced bread. (Only roads I still can enjoy driving in RBR)
A lot of people have this misconception that Unreal Engine makes games look and behave certain ways, but it has nothing to do with it. The reason DR and EA WRC looks the way they do is an artistic choice. Probably because they think it will make them more money. It's a shame really.
What does WRC (Codemasters) have against adding the structures that go over the track 3:39 ...not sure what they are called. RBR in my opinion does a better job of at least trying to match the IRL stages.
Arcs?
They have them, dunno why they arent placed correctly in this stage.
@@-Markus- I believe in the game they are always placed a certain distance from the finish line. Maybe 1 or 2 km. Not sure if there is a particular logic behind them in real life.
Ea WRC stages feel lifeless like that. Thin crowds with bland animation, few sponsor boards and no archways on jumps, etc.
Love driving the stages but even WRC Evolved(2005) was leaps ahead for immersion
There is some accurate points in WRC but the ambient, colors, trees(lack of it) and road textures are just wrong or bad. Should have done better job. Finnish stages in RBR, thanks to modders, are way more Finnish-like. I dont even mind if the road is not real road but the feeling, ambient and colors should be spot on.
Even the old dirt series looks more like finland than ea wrc imo
1. MOAR TREES (probably just a performance thing why so many are missing)
2. Truly dynamic weather occasionally would be awesome, instead of just same start to finish all the time.
2.5. To go with that, wet roads don't instantly turn into slippy slidey zero traction nightmares. Please learn to scale this better.
3. All things considered all three are pretty close (but don't stop pushing)
4. Nice comparison video. Good job.
Trees on Real & RBR the same !
Im not even sure if WRC is actually missing the trees, its missing leafs tho, it looks like its fall in WRC while IRL looks like Summer (And RBR kinda depressing with the gray skies lol)
looks like EA WRC not trying to remake the realife version to the game, juat the same track but different foliage. if you find realism representative its bad, but if you doesnt really know the realife stage and new player like me its preety cool stage. i just noticed that EA wrc is lack of smal bump/imperfections on stage. its just a smooth ride, for me its litlebit less impresiveness for me
Most important things are:
- Solberg is faster than the guy who drives for RBR and EA Sports WRC
- Also, much-much more trees available IRL than in RBR + WRC has together
In despite of the age of the game , RBR looks very close to IRL and i don't talk about physics 😁 . WRC looks like a cartoon arcade game without taste .it looks like nothing .
Cooles video mein lieber! 💪
Rbr is most realistic out if the 3
So its more realistic than real life
I just get ea wrc. Im a rbr fan and spend some time in the game but EA wrc is not bad. Its actually very good and surprisingly feedback is very good,handling is good,better than dirt 2.0. It can be comparable with RBR easly,even rbr have issues with physics we need to admit. RBR can win only with number of stages and detail on some stages.
why do i look at this and think richard burns rally looks more realistic than ea sports wrc...? in fact, i even think it looks better. yes the trees are just sprites/ planes with transparency. but does it matter? it looks better and performs a thousand times better. sure its not as pretty as ea wrc. but it looks better to me, especially if you are playing in vr. kind of the same way assetto corsa looks so good even though its graphics tech is similar (trees just transparent planes etc)
Basing a graphic comparison on this video is a horrible idea, since he's compressed 3 different sequences into one 1080p presentation. Of course RBR looks good when it's on a screen space the size of a GameBoy.
@@pixelcultmedia4252 I've seen (and played) rbr, and while it's certainly dated, it does have a more realistic look to it.
@@socks2441 Blocky heads and pixel trees aren't realistic at all. I just watched a hi-def video of it to be sure, and it looks like rally racing on a Red Dead Redemption 1 map.
There's no need to defend the graphics of RBR. It's not the point of the game.
im not, its dated. absolutely. but it gets the atmosphere, the colour grading etc far more realistic. its kind of like a vr shooter i used to play, the graphcis were super basic. but it looked way more realistic to me than, something with famously good graphics like half life alyx.
each to their own. its just an opinion, i am not out to attack or defend anything. @@pixelcultmedia4252
@@pixelcultmedia4252 when you're going 140 thru forest you don't really see the low res textures, the colors and the density of them is much better which gives a better feeling.
Wait a minute, is the stage included in the original rbr?
Doubt... it has too much new elements like the gates on the road... but it can nicely be compared cuz EA wrc dont even have mod support which is very sad that everyting is limiten to base game... rbr could get anything if mod makers are active enough...
Wrc looks like a fairy tale environment, and where is the forest? Always this brownish colors
For me who is just enjoying a rally game as a normal user EA WRC is more nice to watch, im happy they went on and made the design a bit better then the normal footage of just trees. Sure they can have done a lot better also but really happy I dont have to drive around with just green trees everywhere.
I've always wondered why this game can't be ported over to consoles. I'm certain the series X and ps5 can handle the system requirements.
The company (warthog) is long dead, the game survives only via mods community
It did come on Xbox and maybe PS2 iirc
@@ponderouspanda8266 true… I was thinking of the current state of the game, with the mods and enhancements
Those Flags are so unrealistic… so stupid … rbr remastered and it will be 10/10 for me! 😊
I raelly hope they're going to fix Finland in the update because it's sad how it is right now...
RBR the trees go by faster than in real life like the scale of speed to motion is off
It's most likely to do with FOV that gives a different sense of speed.
RBR has wider fov than the irl camera what makes the warp to the motion feel... i prefer playing with high fov for better feel of speed
It says in the description. RBR accelerated by 3%
WRC ist still game. RBR more like Simulator makes for me more fun
RBR is great but there are two things that spoil the perception of excellence for this track - it feels too flat and there are not enough trees and bushes.
Wrc has a lot of performance issues. With a lot of trees and bushes game would run at 20 fps even on top PC. That's why they did it
@@superstar5042 I was talking about RBR. I presume WRC is rather a game than a sim.
ea wrc has better graphcs no surpraise there bur RBR mod looks way more authentic to the real stage
Everything in RBR looks like it's from a bygone era. WRC needs to work on details around the road.
loved how EA was falling behind but then gained it back in the end
Isnt it crazy how modders are able to do better work than a multimillion dollar company
Päijälä in wrc23 is like photo real
EA WRC👍
RBR is great for its age, and I cant argue that it might feel better and be the better rally sim, but anyone claiming RBR looks better and more realistic compared to the real life video must get their eyes fixed, WRC looks way better in ever way and much more like the real stage.
The biggest diffrence between RBR and WRC is the density of trees which make you see less. Also WRC looks more yellowish than real life. It's my opinion, yours might be diffrent but i get the more hardcore vibe from RBR. Also the gravel texture/colors are better in rbr imo.
@@dannyluck23 i agree with you... if rbr had 3d trees and better smoothnes to those rigged edges it would be damn near reality. the wrc is just too yellow and the gravel is made to look like gravel from argentina it just looks terrible😭 also ea wrc missing almost completely finnish ditches and trenches... i was very dissapointed to the finnish maps in ea wrc when i bought it. most of the stages from other countries look pretty good except they all miss the threes.
@@panukitunen6950 when i looked at some finnish stages i thought like dam where the trees at and why is it so orange
@@panukitunen6950there’s no similarity between WRC and IRL. It doesn’t resemble Finland in the slightest, the colours are wrong, the road surface is wrong, the trees are wrong, the actual stage Is different . Hopeless attempt. RBR better even visually
Get your eyes fixed. EA WRC is ugly and dated looking.
This why I complain 1st thing playing wrc, is hard to see road surface and the edge of the road .. so flat in color
WRC not far off. Really suprising what EA was able to do. That Richard Burns Rally one looks a bit dated if you ask me.
I find this very agreeable
I have been very pleasantly surprised with my time in EA WRC. RBR feels really good, but sometimes I just want something that looks nice
rbr is a 20 year old game its a miracle what some track builders did to make the game look as real as it can
@@thebolt95 As someone who has made stuff like this. Not for RBR but the only difference is exporting to that game. It's less a miracle as it is time and effort. Which is actually more impressive than just calling it a miracle, kinda lessens the meticulous hours finding resources, photos, videos, or anything to give you a mental picture of what you are making. Building the models, texturing the models. Doing terrain by hand, or finding, or converting point cloud meshes of terrain and cleaning millions of vertices to render smoothly in engine. It's no miracle it's loads of hours of work.
"I personally think that Rally Finland is one of the least accurate looking rallies in EA WRC due to it's color inaccuracy and severe lack of trees/foliage. It is obvious that other rallies like Monte Carlo were given much more work." did you ever think that maybe its a different season? i notice your car footage for real life is from awhile back... RBR looks like a twenty yr old game and stating that you had to speed it up 3x means its LESS realistic than EA but whatever, maybe your system wont run EA so thats why you are complaining, BUT EA also states its not a sim... the whole point of WRC was to have a game that is fun to play, they never stated anywhere its a SIM
Lets Just move on and stop clinging to the past