STAR WARS: Do We Believe Disney? - on Obi-Wan Kenobi and The Philosophy of Belief
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It's quite simple. Just as you've said, Star Wars isn't real. Ewan and Alec are different actors who portrayed the same fictional character. Ewan will not turn into Alec physically, nor does he need to. What we "need" to believe that Ewan's Obi-Wan develops as a character into Alec's Obi-Wan. Which seems credible to me.
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Well, the narrative integrity of Star Wars is far more important than that of Aquaman. Star Wars has built a legacy that's almost a half century old, I'm sure if Aquaman had gone through the same process, people would have similar standards for it.
And likewise, since Star Wars is so important, so is Obi-Wan(ranks 37th in AFI's top heroes' list) and therefore our suspension of disbelief is MORE important. And it sticks out when something so important isn't logically consistent.
We can forgive Aquaman to change tertiary characters like how we forgave the 3rd Mummy movie when it replaced Rachel Weisz with Maria Bello.
Ewan McGregor is about as old as Alec McGuinness would have been at the same time in cannon.
Maybe McGregor will also age horribly over the next 10 years, but maybe McGuinness just looked much older for his age
Well... that french archeologyst knows how to rock a pair of sunglasses xD
Excellent content and very well put together. Thanks Jared!
It's true from a certain point of view. From Luke's point of view, Obi-wan looks really old.
And luke never turned into a coward and the sequels dont exist...from a certain point of view
What a great video brother.
I've always been under the belief it's just expensive corporate fanfiction.
If Amazon bought the Beatles complete catalog and a AI bought procedurally create a new music we all know other share community that's not the Beatles.
Honestly I don’t get the “controversy”. I don’t think Alex Guiness looks that old in a new Hope, he just has grey hair.
You should see all the great questions and scenarios in the Star Wars subreddit, even better than adding lightsabers to Grievous...
I was and the fans broke me. It's not fun to talk about SW anymore. Should've seen it coming when fans hated the prequels. We live in a post People vs George Lucas era. Its no longer fans vs the creator, its fans vs fans.
it never was "People vs George" it was Old gen vs George, just because we younglings didn't had the age or resources to spend our days in blogs ranting about SW doesn't mean everyone hated them lol, now we can say more easily that we liked the prequels
@@alfredogonzalez9420 Yes it was it always will be. And that same logic will happen to the sequels as well. The people who hate them will die off and the young people who loved them will be the adults and the sequels will be loved. It happened to the prequels, it happened to Spiderman 3, it happened to John Cena, it will happen to the sequels
@@jamestyler3606 I guess old people are always stubborn thinking they know everything lol, there's a ton of people from the prequel generation that like the new stuff, I'm the minority there and there's teens who dislike the new stuff, it's really not a sw generation vs the next, but oh well time will tell.
imo George Lucas stuff was the best, Disney took the soul out of the franchise everything feels off to me, I don't feel the passion from the majority of directors and writers
@@alfredogonzalez9420 Then you know nothing of the past and the hate the "real fans" had for George in the prequels. There's nothing new under the sun
@@jamestyler3606 the sequels will never be accepted like the prequels were.
Well everyone in Star Wars seems to age rapidly. Anakin from Ep 1 to 2. The OT cast looked pretty rough in the sequels. Maybe they operate on longer years..
Simple answer. Modern audiences have long memories and like their stories to be coherent to the point that if one isn’t that’s considered a plot hole, and go to great lengths making up fanon to fill them. This is especially the case when it is known that all the iterations of a story are made by the same people or companies, who promise not to contradict themselves, as Disney did in the acquisition contract.
I believe in Harvey Dent.
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Bah, this is just different actors looking different. It isn't like this is some 180 year-old Fire Lord Sozin to be retconned.
It was fine. between 83 and 59, I give it: 72. That's a good and accurate depiction. Any more, any less - is just fact ass B.S. bs.
Thanks for recommending a good book. The topic of this video is certainly interesting, even though I view epistemologic topics with some cynicism
I don't mind Kenobi's aging discrepancy, the bigger issue for me is character and overall lore inconsistencies. But I do think they should've given Kenobi some more grey . I've always thought the reason Kenobi and Vader were slower in a new hope versus the prequels was purely due to aging and disability on Vader's part.
But if Yoda can jump around like a mad person while being 800+ years old why would Vader being about 40 and half cyborg have any impact?
For me yoda was a powerful force user and was channeling that in the physical fight, in attack of the clones his fight with dooku shows him go straight back to using his walking stick when it's over. Plus Yoda's not human and we aren't told enough about his back story. Dooku on the other hand might be where my theory fails il admit
Thank you so much for this video and others like it. They genuinely help me to shape my views on the world and humanity. Please keep it up!
That last part makes me think of certain politicians that say completely different things to their followers, on interviews and on debates. They are chameleons that change their discourse depending on the people around them. What they actually believe in? Money. How much can they steal while in power. And the followers sometimes notice the contradictions but more often that not can rationalize them, possibly this is related to the phenomenon of cognitive dissonance.
Great video Jared. Killin it 👍
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I never understood people being upset by the EU being considered "non-canon". It's like, did those stories resonate with you? Do they still resonate? Then who cares what the Disney board says? They can exist perfectly well within your own Canon. For me, the two Kotor games are my favourite stories in all of Star Wars, even more so than the OT. And they've never been non-canon to me.
I agree with you on the unimportance of things being canon or not the problem is though, Disney canceled every single legends project except SWTOR.
I wanted to read the sequel to Knight Errant and that very interesting period of SW where the sith were warlords in the outer and mid rim and the jedi and republic only really controlled the core worlds, that could have been at least a very nice trilogy or even more but thanks to disney it was only one book, and even now 10 years later they have yet to explore beyond the time frame of the films even High republic is too close in my opinion to the films because of the restriction inherent in the 1000 years of peace the republic had after Bane.
I think that is the worst they have done since it was unnecessary and in exchange they decided to narrow the scope of the universe.
I'm aware this isn't at all the point, but my theory is that obi wan gets tortured with force lightning and it deforms him slightly
Loved this. And you didn’t even touch on George Lucas altering “truth” in Star Wars as he changes the true history of events with the addition of altered scenes. Most famously the Han shot first debate is pointless in the grand scheme of things but has remained a constant question amongst fans seeking the truth.
Disfigurement and star wars plastic surgery in season 2 or the next seaosn of the Mandelorian . Fingers crossed guys.
Audience believes the canon until it's broken. A part of audience that didn't like 'the break' starts ignoring and complaining about what they don't like, and the rest just don't care.
When a franchise gets so big and popular as SW, there will be multiple views as to what the 'canon' is or isn't.
Almost nobody REALLY cares what Disney thinks. What Disney thinks makes people angry or indifferent.
The temporary problems start when the new additions to a franchise become so cynical and bad as the new content for Star Wars, Alien, Terminator and Predator have been.
Very small amount of people dislike 'The Mandalorian'. Quite a lot of people don't really like 'The Book of Boba Fett' and very few people like 'The Rise of Skywalker'.
There is no Star Wars canon anymore, not really. And that doesn't bother Disney one bit. They like it that way. If everyone in 'the market' finds something they like, then Disney is making money. If there are people angry about what's been done to Star Wars, then that's free press for Disney. You have to remember that it's not just the movie market anymore, but streaming services too. And the merch.
George Lucas made a cash cow and Disney bought it. There will always be Star Wars shows, toys and movies. Plus, there is Disneyland.
Disney doesn't care if you like it or not. They have so many franchises that they can afford to take a break from Star Wars and then come back to it in a decade with a great fanfare and promises that 'all will be fixed'.
The Disney copyright of various stuff will outlive the internet 'rage' about it. Remember, it's 95 years now. Trust me, you will not care about Star Wars when you'll be sucking food through a straw while Florida sinks and the world around you burns.
The oldies like the original Star Wars same Star Trek got quasi-religion status bit it can be same as Bible verses
15 Bible Verses to Encourage You
John 16:33. "In the world, you will have tribulation. ...
Isaiah 41:10 (NIV) "So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. ...
Philippians 4:6-7 (NIV) ...
Psalm 34:4-5, 8. ...
Romans 8:28. ...
Joshua 1:9. ...
Matthew 6:31-34 (NIV) ...
Proverbs 3:5-6.
Star Wars every director Fromm JJ to Ryan can have their own version of Star Wars. And we must be honest G. Lukas said about the new version that kids love it, because they already grew with CGI saturated media, and jumping animated Yoda is cool in their eyes not idiotic in oldies eyes :))) We must be forgiving. Disney's own Disney hires directors and we know how studio platforms had meddled with artistic integrity, Shrek and revenge of the Nerd (Jeffrey Katzenberg) all movie is about shitting on Disney fairytales every second is dedicated to anti-Disney fairytales by away Shrek 2 is better than Shrek 1 very rare phenomena in Hollywood where the sequel is better than the initial movie. still, Disney is more a business platform, not directors and writers who create Star Wars.
Have You Seen How Obama Aged in 8 years I Rest my Case.
Knowledge is a theory. Reality is a theory. Facts are a lie.
this was an interesting video. i had arrive to some of this conclusion on my own but its always interesting hearing what others have written about . personally dont think corporations have the last say and control over the myths we believe but im in the minority of people than actually and actively avoids giving their money to them even when that get you in trouble with friends and familly cause you dont want to go to see a movie or show they want to see.
The way I see it Star Wars (1977) and The Empire Strikes Back were Star Wars films. You could argue that the rot began to set in with Return of the Jedi, though that was still, just about, a Star Wars film. Anything after that just isn't Star Wars. Let go of it folks.
It's not much different from any other film with an initial huge impact that led to a sequence of sequels and spin-offs: Friday the 13th, Halloween, and maybe even more clearly Jaws. Is Jaws 2 a Jaws film. I think it's much easier to make a case that it's not, than to make a case that it is. Ultimately it's up to you what you take as canon. Godfather 1 and 2 are Godfather films. Godfather 3 isn't. Seems reasonable. YMMV.
What was the anime you showed mid-video?
It's paprika, many compare (and acuse of more than inspiration taken by) with inception.
Hey Jared, I’m unable to join your discord using the links in this video. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks, man. Link refreshed!
This is excellent
A great video! I've actually learned a few things from that one and now I have some thoughts of my own. I will share them on your discord.
Like the belief of disney decanonizing the old EU while there being no documented statement from GL ever recognising it as canon
We're already getting Peak Jared guys, he's gotten his connection with the force back (?)
Jared with a banger as usuaaaaaaal, love you man, have a nice weekend.
Nothing like philosophical analysis of pop culture to go with lunch on a Saturday!
Hey Jared, great vid and take! More like these please
I've taken the advice of Master Yoda in that I am training myself to let go of all I fear to lose; Disney's Star Wars is not George Lucas's Star Wars; just a pale reflection of the Genuine Article.
If you think the prequels are the true Star Wars, you were never a fan to begin with
@@joncooper6387 huh... interesting.
Here I thought I had been a fan all of my life; thank you for convincing me that isn't the case with just a comment.
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Muhahahahahahha the thumb artist is a complete mad lad, pay no mind
As much as I think people should be free to respond to art however they see fit, I do think choosing to expend effort into expressing and indulging in the feeling of being annoyed, angry and depressed at something that literally doesn't matter is pretty dumb. Like by all means be an enthusiastic fan, it makes you feel good at almost no cost, but I feel no guilt in judging you a fool for spending hours and hours and hours writing dissertations on how SJWs ruined your anti-fascist space fantasy
Do Cristian believe that Jesus turn water into whine and duplicated fish?
Some do.
@@Crispman_777 soo of course peoples more that 2000 years ago believed in all that magic.
@@alfasilverblade You asked. I meant some people today.
@@Crispman_777 what im trying to say is that im convinced that greeks and Egyptians realy believed all there storys cause in a world without science or school, peoples could believe anything.
@@alfasilverblade Ok dude
amazing!
Really makes me think!!!
10:56 see i disagree on that statement.. they way I would say it.. truth has gradient .layer and faces.. but Truth is still absolute..its just bigger and more complex than what we would like it to be ... and trying to simplify it don't do it justice or works for the better...
i think you are talking about semiotics , signs and signifiers more than rhetorical true..
Yeah they seem very related. Veyne never mentions semiotics but his ideas seem pretty similar
Great video, the more I see your videos the more I realized how much I don't like wisecrack without you, so much I unsubbed from them weeks ago.