Why We Went From Catamaran to Monohull | Cat vs Mono | Sailing Kittiwake
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I agree with all your points having had both types. Still would love to have a big wharram catamaran though.
Yes, it's one of the few, if not the only, budget catamaran that sits high on the water out there. It's not easy to find one in good condition, but there are a few around.
+1 for the Wharram cat!!! just got my RAKA 36 in the water last july. i would not trade it for a mono any day
Wharrams are one of a very small number of attractive multihulls IMO.
@@cornishhh same here. They have spirit like classic monohulls
they really can't compare a dated 26ft heavenly twins to most any other cat (built since the early 80's) those are the reason it took so long to catch on they where terrible outside of inland lakes.
on the other hand. them's some determined kids putting up with that 26 so long.
there's a reason they are a dime a dozen
Like you we went from a Cat (Lagoon 470) to a Monohull (Wauquiez), with almost as good a view as the Cat from the salon, which was one thing we would not give up.
We moved for similar reasons, being in the Med for a year we found getting into a marina a real problem and always just when the forecast was bad, made the misses real anxious being turned away all the time.
But the three main reasons are, firstly the heavy weather handling of the Cat did not inspire confidence compared to the Mono, with worrying levels of noise and slamming. And the Cracks at flex points on the hull always needing repairing.
2nd, was loading, by the time we had a generator and AC fitted she was getting so low in the water her sea keeping was noticeable worse.
3rd, we wanted to head north, and it did not take long to realise condensation was going to be a problem with the thin hull, and with her already being low in the water did not want to get her insulated.
So now we have a cozy fully winterised monohull, no problems getting a berth, still have a view and feel a lot more confident when things get sporty.
Thanks heaps for your honest appraisal . Now I can sail my armchair around my living room..LOL Cheers
I appreciate your very honest review. I like the fact you were comparing an older catamaran to an older monohull, both boats you’ve owned and not entirely indicative to the more modern vessel. Definitely a matter of personal tastes and priorities.
Positive points of a Monohull along with your sweet and calm voice made it top notch Elena .
Agree. “ you gotta love the way she looks”.
Grandma old saying "Less is more". This video shows exactly that! Cheers from Brazil.
Your experience sharing is both detailed and pragmatic. I have learned a lot, thanks!
Thank you both, an excellent comparison from the situations you found yourself in! Good that you have at least tried out both cats and monohulls! Be safe and happy, and please keep up posting your journey.
I came to much the same conclusions and bought a very similar boat, a Shannon 38. And I won't lie--her physical beauty played a role in that decision.
Thanks. Great help for those who are looking at making a decision and have not had the experience of living on either of the options for years.
Love your narrations Elena..always so clear and to the point and you have a lovely Anglo/Italian accent ...I'll miss you explaining stuff! Good luck for the future 👍
I went from mono to catamaran 23 years ago and have never regretted it, I have a 38ft Wharram Tiki design, plenty of room and is a brilliant sea boat. The rig is so simple to use and is also a low stress rig....great. I have sailed the Atlantic and Pacific oceans with no problem.
they are kind of ugly tho and there are tremendous stresses on the rigging. A monohull gives a little i.e. heels when the wind hits the sails which acts like shock absorbers. They also can flip although its rare but once is too much if its you
can i ask what sail plan you have? wharram wingsail or?
I'm eyeballing wharrams, is there a way i can learn from you ?
@@nonyayet1379 wing sail
hows the head room? plenty of room for 6ft tall fella like me?
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@@ChrisWilson-mg1it thank you. educate me about the stays please?
I have been waiting for your take on this question. I own catamarans as well as keelboats and trimarans. The question is not which is better in absolute terms, the question is what serves your needs. And you made the points perfectly clear when it comes to your priorities. Thanks.
I have been on both monohulls and cats and between them all of my yachts have been monohulls, When it comes to looks, it goes hands down to the monohull. Really enjoyed your video and such a pretty classic little boat.
What a lovely yacht, I would say it was a great decision to change to a mono hull
Thanks for your sharing of why you changed! Hope you are staying safe n are enjoying your experience on living on a boat as my husband did live in a camper for a few years which I know it not that same but we did enjoy that!
All sound reasons to switch to a monohull in your situation. I love the feel of a monohull at sea, but not so much at anchor. About 2 years ago I sailed a 45' cat and that was it, I am now building a 48'' cat to retire onto as I would rather live on the sea than in a house on land, and truth is, most cruisers spend 90% of their time at anchor, not at sea. Also, that 45' cat handled 2 meter swells with no problem, had tons of room, and nothing fell off the counters. We also sailed at between 8 and 10 knots most of the time. But I think for anything under 38', or if sailing in Europe, a 36+ monohull is best, for the reasons you gave. Thanks.
Well done and well said. At the end of the day it is a subjective choice and for a great many of sailors it is driven by their pocketbook.
Awe you guys are awesome. I have missed you guys . I haven’t been on here in a while . Hope all is well. And happy new year !!!!💥💥
One of the best comparison videos I have seen really well done 👍
Nice summary,,,,personally i agree wholeheartedly about the looks of a boat. In the end the space of a modern CAT is mighty seductive but you cant beet the traditional looks of a beautiful boat from the 80s and 90s or before. I go for it every time! And if you are not in love with your boat it becomes worse than a pain!! All the best to you.
Now you’re even more my heroes than before! I’ve got a monohull and would never trade for a cat!
Your reasons are 100% valid. You did forget one key point. As sailors no matter how careful we are, no matter how we monitor the weather we are going to run into stormy seas. The only thing we can truly control when we sail, is the boat we are in and the time we leave the dock. A Well designed, well built mono is safer in heavy weather than cats. Period! Your Tayana 37 is truly a go anywhere full keel Bluewater cruiser. Be happy, be safe.
Hey Larry, thanks for the feedback. With Kittiwake being a bluewater cat with a tiny rig (a friend called it a Barbie rig) and zero windage (she was super low profile, in fact, we couldn't stand up inside), which if overpowered simply goes off course, we never had a doubt about her safety. We made a video in the past about cat vs mono from a more general point of view, while this video was to explain our decision, which was between two very unique boats :) While Skua feels lees bothered by heavy seas (she's heavier), we never felt like Kittiwake would capsize :)
We have crewed on a catamaran, and we agree with the movements at sail. We have described the movements as "Spastic" in a blog post on our website. Our 41 foot monohull has a far more gentle movement through the water.
You've made some fantastic points! I'm in love with my Prout 33. It is a bit narrow in the hulls, but the headroom in the hulls is well over 6ft. In the setee area, its 5'10. I have an inch to spare 😂 I fully understand why you choose a mono. They are certainly cozier and more comfortable inside than a small cat. My problem is that I make friends everywhere so I wanted to ability to invite loads of people out for a sail, or to sail with crew. Either way I'm happy you found the boat that worked best for you. The Tayana 37s are awesome boats, and absolutely beautiful. My Prout looks like a sailing brick, but that's part of its charm. At least, that what I tell myself.
Such an honest comment, thanks Gabriel. Nice to have the headroom in the hulls :) Prouts are solid and seaworthy, and they have their own charm :) There's plenty of people who put up with the water splashing (deep sleepers :D) and sail them around the world :)
Back in the day I loved the big trimarans like Gulf Streamer and Three Cheers, and thought that was the way for me. Eventually, I got to sail across the Channel in a small trimaran. It was the only time I have ever been seasick, and at the time death was preferable. I know it is different when you have a large boat, but that really changed my preference in favour of monohulls.
Thanks for the data, it made me consider a couple of things I had not thought of. Fair winds.
Great information and well done!! Thanks for sharing your adventures!! 😎⛵
Excellent explanation. Learned a lot.
Great vid!!! Hope you're both keeping well!
Hi , very well explained , do it your way and enjoy the moment and the time . To many people spend to much time ,saying if we ? . I admire your plan simple approach to life and have enjoyed it from the start , stay safe and thanks for the trip .
Great video and some really good points
i live on a heavenly twins and yes its still small and cramped .. and the slamming to windward barf
but shes nice for day sails downwind ! and my twin electric drive is amazing manuverability
I just bought a heavenly twins. I love it
One important point not mentioned is the safety factor. In the case of a knockdown, catamarans will not right themselves, while monohulls with ballasted keels will always right themselves. Catamarans can be more vulnerable to puncture as they have to be built extremely light to have any kind of performance. Those items alone swing my choice.
True, although, to be honest, we felt safe on both boats for different reasons - they were both bluewater sailboats. The video was about our very peculiar situation, so we didn't mention it :)
OTOH, regarding the safety factor, the position of ultimate stability on a cat is floating upside down on the surface where it makes a great life raft. The mono's position of ultimate stability is resting on her side on the bottom where it makes a great fish farm. Also, most mono sailors that have never experienced a real knock down, have no idea how dangerous it is and talk about it as if it were just part of normal sailing life. Its true that monos that have their hatches closed can survive a knock down or even a roll. But a capsize is very rare for a modern cat or trimaran that isn't racing.
I like how you started, and what you are comparing ! great video!
Excellent job again 👌
I think you made the right choice / love your boat
I just picked up a Prout Snowgoose 37 Cat. I'm a mono guy but I do love this boat
This was very helpful!. No need to answer my question from one of your first few episodes.
There is NOTHING like having experience to become fully informed AND more importantly what you cannot put up with.
This is my first article on your channel and I just about freaked seeing that cat you had.
One of the big reasons why people go to cats is the accommodation area. Here there was NO UNDERCOVER external protection from wind, sea spray, rain nor sun.
This protection is very important.
I see you have a dodger frame on the new yacht.
It’s definitely worth getting the combo version made up. To be completely enclosed is even better.
Combo zipped canvas and clear zipped for ventilation as well.
I could not believe an amazing yacht I saw for $35,000 in central US.
Obviously, anything you are seriously looking to buy should be inspected with written report detailing ALL “systems”...for example engine propulsion system, safety systems, water storage and making systems, rigging etc etc.
Personally, I would even pay to hard slip her, water blast and inspect the hull as well. This is nothing like buying a house and an unbiased experienced report is very much worth the money and can even help you sell her once the various system repairs have been done over time.
There is a maintenance cost over time that you must consider very seriously.
Nothing lasts forever.
You are both very young and I know you will learn lots by saying hi to your neighbors at anchor and picking their brains about their experience with their yacht.
There are some very well costed monohulls out there, which is great for the younger sailors.
Personally, I would never go under 40 foot not including bowspit. I know they are a bit more. I would rather spend money on a slower heavier older full length keel ketch/yawl with cutter rig than a younger sloop with fin keel. A well built ferro cement yacht is a nice place to be....I grew up on a 42 foot ferro cement yacht here in Australia. Our later 46 foot hi tensile steel mast head sloop, fin keel was so much fast, but being steel the slapping waves and outboard motor sounds were not the best, but tolerable (had no choice)!
Speed is not a high priority, safety with a strong yacht lowers accident risk.
I wish you both well on your sailing journey.
I love the 70's long keel mono-hulls. They have always been my preferred boat. Our boat weighs in at 27000 lbs and you can tell when you are beating in a choppy sea. Most wake created by small power craft just crashed on the side of her hull and she doesn't even move. I'm not a fan of the new hull designs of boats...The newer model of our boat went from a full keel to a bolt on keel and it improves speed and tacking ability at the sacrifice of ride comfort and structurally not as sound. Our boat can be taken off shore where the newer model it's not recommended. I really don't care what type of boat you own because if you are living the dream your my type of people and I understand what works for me might not for you.
Bonjour Elena and Ryan. i trust that you two are well and happy. it's a gray day here in Lille, France. We have presently a high temperature of 5 degrees C. i thank you for the latest video and the comparison. personally, i believe for me, i'd like a mono hull sailing vessel. skua is quite nice and there's room for you two. have a great week, and cheers
Thanks a lot, William! We are well, too :) Have a great week!
Great video!
At the end of the day budget is always an issue and I’m glad you discussed it.
Outside of budget there is always arguments over cat and monohull and it’s all basically personal preference unless you’re buying million dollar boats made for one specific purpose...
Just being totally honest 🙃
I could tell from your first few videos of sailing Skua she was way better, faster and versatile than Kittiwake. And I'm not a sailor. Also, as I have commented before, I think Skua is a great looking boat! I'm sure her next owners will be able to get much pleasure from cruising her.
This video is very well done 👍
awesome vid thank you
I’ll soon be exploring the east coast of Australia on an f32 trimaran that I’m currently refitting, I’m moving the insides outwards to give it much the same inside people space as the wider “X” models and putting more thought into what was close to useless storage space (even at mock up stage it looks liveable whereas before it looked like a weekender: once I’ve done the fast shallows and reefs I intend to live aboard full time: I wanted a cat (minimum 36’) but can’t justify the cost, specially for a decent one I’d have to add over $100,000AUD on top of the tri’s value when I can buy a +40’ monohull and have over $50kAUD left over... or spend it on an even better one. I like my tri, it’s fast and will fly the centre hull, a cat is faster than a mono but not enough to warrant the cost, add that I like heeling over, it just plain feels good... olds cool good and I won’t miss the speed because I’ll be sailing blue water where I could of but shouldn’t of before. A cat would suit a family with two or more kids, this is just me and at 65, soon to be 66 I’m in no hurry or do I wish to spend my time on moorings and sitting in marina’s just in case the weather turns bad. In a storm you can batten down a good mono, get blown down and survive without too much input if any, you can’t in a cat no matter what anyone says (a lot of people need to justify their purchase regardless if right or wrong) The people who cruise known waters can do it in anything, in unknown waters you need the skill that most of us don’t have: I wouldn’t sail my tri to many places I’d sail a mono, a cat is somewhere inbetween, they’re nice but I’d have to sell my house and would loose the income from rent... nah!
Love the sailing lifestyle, you two are living the dream!🌊
Good stuff!
I thought your reasoning well balanced. What it comes down to is which boat best suits your needs for a given amount of money. For ocean travel, size counts irrespective of mono, cat, tri. Good second hand cats are expensive. Good second hand monos are not. Thank you for your explanation.
I would prefer a monohull over a catamaran in hurricane country. You can easily see that catamarans in the 30 to 60 foot range became "kites" flying through the air falling upside down during Cat 5 hurricanes in the Caribbean. It is also known that catamarans are for mid latitudes and dangerous to sail at latitudes in or close to the poles. Monohulls seam to handle better waves from behind when entering an inlet .... and safer when you exit an inlet with breaking waves. In the 80s I met a man that sail around the word in a monohull like yours. A small over the side flopper stopper can help at anchor.
Tell us about your rounding of Cape Horn, Captain!
Great explanation, thanks! Well balanced and inoffensive, not like a lot of the more contentious videos out there by some of the recent converts to one of the mono v. multi camps.
Thanks a lot, Dennis! Some people have extremely strong opinions when it comes to sailboats, while we just like boats - we bought what made sense to us with our budget and needs :)
@@SailingKittiwake which is the best boat, for you, after all.
I will always love catamaran s, are so safe to sail
Sweet video.
Nice Video 👍
I liked kittywake but Skua seems to fit ur needs best and Ryan can stand up🙂I love cats but in ur case the mono is best, good luck stay safe and loving.
Interesting that overloading was not mentioned. That would be my biggest worry about owning a multi hull.
Not only does such lower the bridge deck structure, making it more vulnerable to waves, but it also puts additional loads on the rigging, in almost exact proportion to the added weight.
I read one book written by a couple who owned two cats and one tri. They frequently mentioned the need to seriously limit what they brought on board.
They saw the additional potential speed worth trading carrying capacity for.
I wonder if there has been any experiments with deployable stabiliser pontoons to reduce rolling characteristics of monohull while on anchorage?
Skua's bowsprit alone is enough!
Now That was a great description of just why you kids made the switch. Having grown up with only mono-hulls, I prefer them way above the cats, even the big ones of todays designs. The costs have gone through the roof of the newer cats as well, putting them way out of reach for the "common man"! Is SKUA still up for sale? Remind me again of just why you are selling, please.
Ah, Im thinking very few Tayana 37 owners even think about cats. A boat like a Tayana is a certified "Gets you there and back" boat. I have a similar boat and love my fort on the water...
Yep... all correctly said! A mono hull is also way safer in storm conditions!
Essentially what it comes down to is that catamaran design has only in the last 15 to 20 years started to be decent, since designers didn't have a couple hundred years of experience to build on. And unfortunately, catamarans are significantly more expensive to build and buy than an equivalent length monohull, so unless you have the money to buy a relatively new cat, a monohull is going to often be the better choice. Almost all of the problems you mention are issues that modern designs have addressed. Well, except for the looks department... Modern cats generally look like they do because it's a better design for a cat. Axe or even reverse bows, a flat or reversed sheer line, etc... are all things that help with how cats sail to make them more comfortable and perform better (even many modern cats hobbyhorse terribly because they maintain the front overhang and wide bows of more traditional monohulls, which results in a rapid increase in buoyancy up front as the cat dives into waves, which causes them to pitch up rapidly, responding much more sensitively to wave motion, which results in the hobbyhorsing).
Honestly.... if money were no issue, I feel like having both would be great... though not really practical for a liveaboard, lol. I've love to have something like a Hallberg Rassy or Najad center cockpit, or a Sirius 40 deck saloon. But at the same time, I want a performance cruising catamaran that is light (but not ridiculous, fly a hull light) and quick with lots of space to lounge inside or out. I've spent the last few months working on a 14 meter catamaran design, incorporating elements of each boat I love into one "perfect" cat for me... but yeah, it would probably cost around a million bucks to have built, lol.
85 degrees seems truly horrendous for upwind angle. I was considering a HT26 for a Bahamas boat for family due to space, but that is barely even upwind!
Hmmmm
Thanks for your videos btw. Great information
Thanks David! Yes, we never sailed her upwind - it's a waste of time unless you are happy to use the engine.
Yes a 48 foot aluminum catamaran would be so nice to liveaboard. But added running cost and price point. just my situation is all. I see it much better to invest In backups to your backups. Then to put it all on the purchase of your new to you cage.
Good to hear your reasons.
Kittiwake v Skua is comparing apples and oranges.
I would think if you are happy with a 37ft mono, a 30ft cat is more the equivalent.
I recall you were lucky to get Skua at a very good price, she is beautiful, so can see that.
If money was not the issue would you go for a cat?
If we had a spare €1M lying around (to cover purchase, refit and maintenance), sure. But that will never happen 😅
Very interesting perspective. Monohulls get poo-pooed a lot these days mostly due to youtubers and bloggers getting paid to market some company’s new catamaran model (which some companies have been focusing on more the past 15 years) and listing a bunch of cons for monohulls but hardly any of the pros, the “hobbyhorsing” of cats isn’t even something I’ve heard of until now. It’s nice to see a different and honest take that dares go against the latest fad and comes from an unsponsored opinion with no marketing intent behind it.
Anyhow monos will probably become “cool” again in about 5 years anyway since in the past couple years there’s been an increase of R&D towards them and the same bloggers and youtubers will start talking about how you need to ditch your cat for a mono with a foil-assisted keel.
Anyways just sail the boat you feel more comfortable with no matter the trends, I live near the Great Lakes and plan to get into sailing soon and I got my heart set on an old Catalina or old Hunter for my first boat, there’s this old Hunter 30 I’ve been eyeing which I hope I can get sometime this summer.
Nothing wrong with those boats, especially as a starter. The hobby horsing you mention, is something that affects smaller (>36') cats, a lot more than the longer waterline cats.
Agree . To circumnavigate a 37 French cat is perfect. I had a a Snowgoose and hated it.
what issues did you have with the Prout?
agree with most of it . If you analyze it properly , you will find that unless you buy a true light weight performance oriented catamaran (DazCat , Marsaudon Composites , Gunboat) , there is only one benefit to production cats : they sail flat , no heeling , but are just as slow (or sometimes slower) than a monohull . Production cats (FP, Lagoon , Leopard) should basically be called double mono's as their fat beamy hulls are still subject to max hull speed (bow wave drag) . Once this sinks in , a mono makes much more sense value wise than a production cat
Un voilier dans l'eau, qu'il soit multi ou mono passera plus de 80% de son temps au port ou au mouillage... Les 20% restant sont en moyenne composé de 3% de navigation à la barre et 17% au pilote auto.
Donc, si on considère que la cata est nettement plus agréable que le mono au mouillage (plus de place, pas ou peu de tangage, etc) et que le plaisir de barrer est inexistant lorsque on est au pilote, il reste effectivement 3% du temps passé à la barre durant lequel il sera souvent plus agréable de barrer le mono que le cata, souvent bien avare en sensations.
Reste le sujet du prix : Dans la vidéo il est dit qu'à taille égale le mono est moins cher.... Mais si on compare un cata et un mono qui propose la même surface de vie, les prix se resserent... Pareils pour les ports : Il y a 10 ans, la différence de prix était un frein, mais de nos jours les ports ayant bien compris le succès du cata, les prix ont tendance à se rapprocher du mono, certains ports ayant même commencé à privilégier les cata.
Bref, c'est surtout un question de goût... Pour ma part, vivre en biais et à la cave j'ai donné ! Manger de travers, dormir de travers, cuisiner de travers, se doucher de travers, faire ses besoins de travers, être les uns sur les autres et sans aucune intimité, j'ai donné !
Et puis il y en a qui vont venir avec l'argument de la remontée au près serré difficile pour les cata..... Mouarf, d'une part les cata modernes sont bien meilleurs dans l'exercice, mais comme le multi va nettement plus vite dans toutes les autres conditions, l'argnument ne servira que pour les béotiens !
A noter aussi que sur 10 marins qui sont passé du mono au cata, moins de 2 sont revenus au mono..... A bon entendeur !
Bref, pour le grand voyage, vive le cata !
I agree👍👍👍👍👍
You can't beat experience can you? I'm amazed that Ryan - at 6ft 3ins - put up with Kittiwake's cabins for so long. I agree with all your points - apart from possibly the teak deck which for maintenance can be a pain in the ass. Today's big cats look like gin palaces - Hello magazine territory. I'm lucky I don't get sea-sick and the rolling action of mono-hulls helps get me off to sleep. My preference is for steel construction. That's basically because I can be a bit clumsy and I don't want a small mistake to go nuclear. The weight of steel is regarded as a disadvantage by some, but if Skua weights 12 tonnes she's as heavy as a same-length steel boat (are you sure she's that heavy? you must be including water, diesel, everything). She sails very nicely anyhow. Hope you're both OK. I wouldn't rush back to UK, due to COVID there's nothing much going on here!
We must be the only two who went to a monohull....lol
what catamaran did you own?
@@willyum1208 FP Lipari 2013
I have owned both. We switched to a cat for room for our children to have their own cabins and stay under 50' LOA. When said children left the nest we downsized to a Leopard 38' catamaram. I noticed that you were not likeing the rolling at anvhor on the monohull, a cat would of made it a lot eaiser to live with.
Valid opinions
Monohull fan here, I just love sailing to windward waaaaay to much.!!But Robertson and Caine Leppard 48ft cat did not hardly move in the anchorage, had hardly any hobby horsing
Lovely. Yes of course - a modern big cat won't hobby horse.
You make very good points, keep up the good work 👍🏻.
Ryan is very blessed with you. You made the right decision
I never thought that you would need to explain why you moved to the mono. Your little cat was just that , very little. I really like your mono and it is so much bigger inside than the cat. Good luck in your adventures . You did say in a few video's ago your were selling her. What has become of that?
There's so many people who think we downgraded simply because Kittiwake was a cat :) And every time Skua rolls, we get comments saying that we regret changing, haha! Yes, like we said, there's still plenty of videos coming while the sale is happening.
Love the tiller - not the wheel.. there's a story
Motion.
Of course those who are happy on a cat, find the slower motion of a mono make you seasick!
One point I may beg to differ, with a mono in a beam sea there is a very snappy motion as the wave passed through. Very easy to be knocked off balance, and a significant hazard. A cat does not suffer this.
I used to love sailing Hobies, the windier the better, but I wouldn't sail my mono boat in those conditions. The berthing and maintenance gets very unfriendly when you move up to the 40-45 foot range in cats. Also the only boat I ever felt seasick on was a cat. There's also the naming conventions. They have to be feline based. Fluffy Pussy anyone? There is one in the Whitsundays called Fluffy Bunny though.
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Monohulls are just sexier. Multis look more like spaceships than boats, they are just ugly. All my opinion.
What about the ability to stay in a harbour that dries out at low tide? How important is that to you?
As mentioned in the video, next to zero. Most countries don't allow you to do anything but emergency repairs in that situation.
@@SailingKittiwake Oh sorry, I must have missed that bit. Thanks for the reply!
Price,price,price.I can get a very seaworthy boat for third the price of the same length cat. It may not have quite the room,but I can go now.
Hell, probably a fair bit less than a third... There are some surprisingly good monos out there for beans, meanwhile, people are asking four to five hundred grand for even roached out ex-charter cats, and in many cases, getting almost that much from buyers.
@@FlesHBoX I'm looking at an Endevour 32. Asking $10.000 US. Looks like just the ticket for Bahamas cruising over the next few winters.
My uncle bought 41 foot. With 4 people going around the world.
Why not a fin keel, getting closer to the wind ?
This is a very basic, but relevant point for many heavy displacement cruiser’s. The older full keel boat has a much bigger safety factor with a thick hull, encapsulated keel and skeg hung rudder. The keel and rudder can’t fall off...within reason. A fin keel boat can sustain seriously damage to the hull from running aground, banging in shallow water or hitting an underwater object. There is also an issue with keels and rudders falling off due to stainless steel corrosion. It doesn’t happen often, but is generally catastrophic when it does. 👍👍
Next? get a lifting keel mono, there, problem solved, best of both worlds...
que modelo de catamaran es similar al del Kittiwake?
No entendi esa parte
Heavenly Twins, Catalac, old Prout models, ... any catamaran from the 70s.
@@SailingKittiwake Thank You very much!
I'm a classic monohull guy. I love the sleek look and feel. My wife would prefer a catamaran for the space. At a bit of an impasse here. Lol
If you plan to hang out at anchor more than sailing, you'll probably both enjoy the space 🙂
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Smart move, monos are more seaworthy.
la bonne réponse au titre : Ben parceque vu ton mono tu n'as pas les moyens d'avoir un bon cata.... Après on peut faire une vidéo de 15mn pour trouver d'autres arguments, mais est-ce bien la peine ?
monohulls go through the waves while cats are somehow of 4x4 making them horrible and uncomfortable in slightly bad weather
You draw 5'8", you just avoid water under 6ft :-)
Yeah we never regretted having a keel tbh.
@@SailingKittiwake Right? A heavy full keel is very reassuring. Speed and travel time are much more relevant for those that need to get back to their jobs to make the Catamaran monthly payment. You boat will still be in use by someone, long after you are gone. You are just lucky caretakers of Skua :-)
Can't compare that outdated cat to a modern cat. I will choose the modern cat over a mono any day. Safe sailing!
Indeed. But those are the boats we bought.
Don't forget, budget constraints are very real. I'm a (folding) trimaran sailor but I couldn't afford a big cat either. Its ok as long as you can moor out, but if you need a marina you really pay the price! And the costs of buying a modern cat are incredible right now.
You really don't need to give so many disclaimers before stating your opinion, it would be better if you just left them out, people aren't babies and the points you make are completely reasonable.