DRUGS - Draftsmen S1E20
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- The Breaking Bad movie just released on Netflix and because Stan is a huge fan, we’re redecorating the whole set, putting on costumes, and dedicating the episode to Drugs! We talk about our past experiences with drugs, if they can hinder or help an artist and some drug alternatives that you should look at to get those creative juices flowing. A caller asks what abstract artists should study.
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What are your favorite drug ALTERNATIVES?
Awesome
I was going to say coffee, but technically that's still a drug. :P
I didnt try any drug yet lol
Weed
=_*-TEA-*_=
Isn't it funny how the whole Breaking Bad aesthetic suits Marshall and Stan? XD
I really can't unsee the similarities now between Walter White&Jesse Pinkman and Marshall&Stan...
oh my god it does
it does man when I see it I was like.
its a possibility 😂😂
Yeah, they *do* bear an uncanny resemblance to Bryan Cranston and Aaron Paul. Just a little.
Just imagine Stan finishing every sentence with "...bitch!"
i think stan was drugged when he drew that fetus kangaroo thing
I was hoping he was
Literally drawing while hearing artists talk, i was addicted to videogames and eating, but since i listen to the podcast, and other great artists as Steven huston and Jake Parker, sandford Greene, Peter han, Bobby Chiu, sinix and Ahmed and so many legends like Miyazaki, Yoh yoshinari through interviews and documentaries, hearing them just make grab the nearest sheet of paper and start sketching, thank you guys, great artists and teachers to show me the Joy of drawing!
@mozgus of course dude, love me some breath of the wild, monster hunter and multiplayer with friends in some mario kart, fifa and smash.
great berserk profile pic by the way, much respect to you sir...or mam
Honestly I was addicted to video games and decided the reasonable translation of that was to create them since I liked em so damn much so thats been my goal and cool to see someone else on a similar path!
I feel like Stan oftentimes stopped Marshall in his tracks when he was about to share some bigger insights, you gotta let the man speak uninterrupted from time to time.
Anima I thought I was just being a grumpy old man!
@@ninagarsh1328 Stan is rude, isn't he?
@@ninagarsh1328 exactly!! I just wanted to listen to Marshall too
@jrsinsf I think he just has adhd and is passionate so struggles not to interrupt lol
Wow, you guys really committed on that set design!
Marshel is literally the most delightful man I’ve ever seen
Marshall is an amazing Heisenberg and he doesn't even know it! LOL .
3:14
Marshall: the blue stuff is... rock candy?
Proko: ITS METH
Marshall:
Proko: you wanna try some?
3:20
lol
Best drug alternative--playing with baby animals, in particular kittens. Always leaves me feeling great.
I’ll play with animals but I’ll take drugs
So cool! For some reason this was the last topic I expected you guys to cover. Also Marshall and Stan are basically Walt and Jesse doppelgängers.
Stan : We're gonna talk about drugs
Marshall: thats why we're doing this
Me: (the look on Marshall face is priceless) 2:40
It baffles me greatly that not once were the psychedelic visuals even mentioned. Seeing forms, fractals, movement and colors that are indescribable is an astonishing experience for any creative person, even as a theme park ride, and not for creativity enhancing reasons.
I know exactly what you're talking about. After learning form simplifying I would hallucinate chunking things I would look at. Looking at my hand and closing my eyes and seeing it broken down then opening my eyes and seeing it warp and bulge is so entertaining it makes me feel like a kid. Psilocybin. I can never focus and sit down and draw during my experiences though.
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Okay guys, stop having fun haha
Probably the best thumbnail on your podcast videos
Zenny LZ I want a shirt like that
"I really don't like drugs" said proko surprising precisely zero people.
Joe 'Have you tried DMT' Rogan has entered the chat.
Reasons why i watch the draftsman show:
For drawing while listening 20%
For knowledge of other artists and viewing thier artwork 80%
Cracking episode, I really enjoyed listening to this, it was really refreshing. I have a lot of respect for the both of you after this (well, I did before, but this shifted you guys into the 'big respect' bubble). I really enjoyed listening to the two of you talk about your experiences and also about your perspectives on the subject and how it relates to art.
Thanks to Marshall in particular for the bit about people finding something that helps them.
Stan, you are so right about experiencing tragedy in your life. it changes your perspective on everything and if you are aware or embracing the tragedy, as your guest said, your life will change dramaticaly. For some, the resut is for good and enlightening. I put down my brushes and pencils for a while, now I'm reaching for them again. Thanks. I'm a fan of yours as well as Walt and Jesse.
Already heard the episode on Spotify and I think THIS IS MY NEW DRUG! Marshall, as always, is brilliant in his discernments. I heard once than Friedrich Schiller felt the smell of rotten apples as a powerfull motivator for writing.
Wait this is on Spotify?
@@joshuaizly5502 yes, but it's not as fun as this one, since you can't see the references of books and artists they quote.
@@victor1804 but if you can't see Marshall's beautiful face what's the point really? Do people really pay attention to what they are saying?
Stan does look a little like Aaron Paul, especially when he laughs, he resembles him a lot. And Marshall can pass for Cranston. Made me smile. 😊
I love the analytical approach that Marshal has on any subject. A very open minded person. Both make a great combination. Cheers guys!
Thanks Stan & Marshall, loved your discussion on this complex topic!
As a former experimentalist here are my drug alternatives for my creative process:
Going some place, by myself, that is completely new to me.
Listing to music from different ethnicities that I'm unfamiliar with.
Fasting.
Working third shift.
Carlos Castenada's techniques that are not hallucinogenic.
Keeping a dream journal.
Collage with the random paper from my recycle bin.
Reorganizing my art supplies.
Seriously: Stan should read 'The Natural Mind' by Dr. Andrew Weil. Preferably an earlier edition if you can find it. It mostly comes from Weil's Harvard doctoral thesis. It's a very readable, analytical and (no pun intended) sober approach that puts the topic of drugs in a social, cultural and physiological context. It's the most interesting, unbiased and sane take I've ever seen on what drugs actually do, why people take them, how and why problems with them develop, etc.
After only seeing the intro, this is the best episode of all time.
It's great to see how you two take great delight in doing this and keep the balance between serious and fun talk. Love it!
omg, I love this show
I learnt perspective from those 1993 videos with Marshall and I´ll be forever grateful
was a real life changer. Years later I saw Marshall again with Proko, could not believe it was the same guy!!
a true legend and it's amazing to see how mature his thoughts about art have become
huge hugs from brazil
Damn, I didn't realise Marshall was the cool hippie type of grandpa
I have experience with drawing with lot of cannabis, It helped me focus on learning how to draw at command at any place, even being able of drawing while chatting with people at the same time without loosing the ideas that would come out, but I made me horrible bad at finishing up work.
It did help me understand much better when I studied anatomy or perspective, or color, but Had to plan ahead how to continue a drawing post-high. Because many times I couln't see how to finish an idea started while high.
I like it, but you must use it responsible. Now I draw a lot without smoking, I can start drawing without doubts. But the feeling of having instant ideas at fast pace, wich Smoking gave that feeling, becomes really addictive, and its so hard to come out of that mindset.
I try to stay away of doing that unless I'm to stress or distracted that I need to smoke to fucus. But I'm glad that you can come out from that. But is hard.
Interesting. I have ADHD and smoking it helps me calm down and focus on drawing when I don't mix it with my meds, but when I do it becomes a double negative, I really start feeling the amphetamine effect, and I become hyperactive with no attention span.
Probably my favorite episode despite not being much about art, you two are hallarious, that zipper at the end had me rolling.
For someone who's never seen Breaking Bad, 29:39 he does a very good Heisenberg.
29:51 lol it was a great episode i love listening to marshall talk about stuff whatever it is hes got a unique and thoughtful perspective on everything
Months ago I thought i wanted to learn more about drawing and improving my art. Got back into guitar playing instead. Why am I still here? lol i’m seriously addicted to this podcast, that’s why. Is Marshal one of the great, undiscovered armchair philosophers of our time? The interplay between older wise one, and Stan’s common sense, practical but ever so slightly combative style .. makes for extremely enjoyable listening.keep it up you guys..completely hooked on draftsmen. Where can i buy the t-shirt, and which of the hilarious thumbnails would i want on it..hmmm?
By far the most aesthetically entertaining and jam packed info podcast! Thanks Stan and Marshall
This was one of the MOST FUN EPISODES! I've been listening this while I'm working at night and you guys made my night a delight!
Marshall is absolutely right about the misassumption about trippy art and drug use. I can think of many examples from my own life and artists who I admire.
I just started to listen to this here podcast. And its lovely to see the humans behind the brand. Lovely chemistry (pun intended) you two have. And with each episode i am loving Marshall more! Keep it up!
I love that Marshall nearly always has some great wisdom to contribute to these podcast topics. I feel like Stan doesn't have nearly as much life experience and nuance to bring to the table and sometimes comes off as a bit cocky and closed-minded. I mean, It's cool to get two different perspectives on things, but I get frustrated at how often Stan jumps in to make fun of what Marshall has to say.
he is like old monk who knows everything
fr it made me upset how he didn't understand what marshall meant by "getting in the zone". or he couldnt tell if the argument marshall was making was either for or against drugs. not everything needs to be so black and white like that. marshall was saying its up to you to know if you can benefit from drugs or not. there is no for or against drugs. his argument has more nuance that just wasn't clicking for stan.
I waited all that time for the show to actually start. Then it was over.
I just cannot get into this show... these guys are at titanic levels of drawing, they have skill I only wish I could have, but they spend 90% of the time nattering, so the podcast ends up not having very much educational content about manufacturing meth
@@RossOzarka proko is kinda just an insufferable simpleton but he is very skilled in art.
I love how he hasn't watched the series but talks a lot like Mr. White lol
I'd love to see merch with the things Stan drew while high.
Just imagine it, a group of clowns playing twister. Could be a rap album cover or a dope shirt.
hey proko .. did someone tells u that u look like Jesse Pinkman
lol !!
i imagine stan saying "BTICHHH"
Thought the same! (Even before this episode)
@@pinkcloud3126 !!!!!!!
Marshall's tone is right on w/ the Walt impersonation! Thanks for the podcast guys, you make my Tuesday work days that much faster. Not sure if this information helps you guys out but I actually listen to your podcast off Spotify, as I do the other podcasts I listen to. Many thanks for your hard work and dropping weekly!
It's true that at some point during drawing for excessive hours and tapping into that perfect reflection of yourself that you seem to open some kind of third eye. I've only done it a few times, but it's interesting, I don't know if there is really any benefit to it other than being more closely in tune with yourself. But hey, it's neat I suppose.
You guys have helped me so much, In such a short time. thank you so much
Marshall: "were done.....ziiiiiip" 🤣 yes you are, priceless.
Loved the episode, super entertaining to listen to you two, actual three interact, the man behind the camera is great too.
Good impression of Walter White from Marshall. Impressed.
Stan, when you went for your run and the creative ideas were flowing, this is referred to as "Flow State".
I can highly recommend a book on the topic, which researches the billion dollar industry devoted to unlocking and implementing on demand.
"Stealing Fire: How Silicon Valley, the Navy SEALs, and Maverick Scientists Are Revolutionizing the Way We Live and Work" - Steven Kotler, Jamie Wheal
Best intro to a podcast ever! haha
Walter and Jesse are really chill in this episode of breaking bad, good for them.
can someone please start making supercuts of all the draftsman episodes only including the parts where marshall speaks and shares insightful experiences/knowledge :)
My artwork became a billion times better after I sobered up. Thanks for this ep!!
nice!!
i have my vision of Abstract Painting, may be i am wrong, but this is my meaning to it.
one can't start his life to become an abstract artist. keep drawing in a style that is comfortable, and over years you end up in a style that is yours, and that is abstract art.
Dreamy drawing in-the-zone sounds like auto pilot, where your brain isn't consciously focused on what your drawing exactly, but what feels "right" at the moment. Whereas the other in-the-zone sounds like being confident and conscious of where this goes and how this should be towards what you want-ish. One's subconscious trance feeling, and the other is conscious and deliberately aware feeling. ...maybe.
Marshall = Walter
Stan = Jesse
NO WAY!! This is AMAZING!!! 😂❤️⚗️🧸🐔
Damn I had asked the abstract questions months before and I had missed this episode. And suddenly I heard my voice playing in the background. Crazy!!!!
"Create fake accounts guys." I just died by an overdose of laughter
Love this! You guys have been killing it with the podcast.
Hahaha that's badass! I love it! Man, El Camino made me so emotional. A lot of the show was filmed by my home and work, which was cool too. I even live out of the way, so the odds they would have filmed the second to last episode near my house is astronomical.
Anyway, I have had trouble with drugs in the past, but I've been sober from opiates and heroin for about 6 years now. Yay!
Wow, that's really awesome. And congrats on your sobriety. Let art be our new drug so we can get high on life instead.
I was just rewatching the whole season 1 back in October and I forgot about this espisode hahah. I guess you guys were ahead of time.
Loving this episode so far, it's your inner addict defending caffeine. It is totally a drug.
I love that this episode is super responsible and mindful about the subject - well done you guise
At first I was thinking what the heck are these two on about....and then it got interesting ha ha. Certain kinds of music, especially when I don't understand the language, puts me in the zone often. Dancing, movement, driving...bring me into a great state when I can be more creative :)
my favorite podcast episode so far lol. love the breaking bad theme
Coffee! And I would love to see an episode about composition and some book recommendations! Love your podcast!!!!!
This is the best draftsmen podcast you've ever done!
Picasso started off as an impressionistic painter and evolved into his abstract state. Learning to basics of drawing will teach you to know what rules to break. Abstract art could be about the design aspects of usage of color, tension between objects or the emotion it evokes from the viewer. It represents a view of reality without the limits of representation of the recognizable.
Thanks for introducinig me to Wallace Smith! Reminds me of Frank Miller in some ways.
This episode is spectacular for watching the bounce light and color of all that yellow and blue and skin tone (and Marshall's beard) interact!
Favourite alternative to drugs? Listening to Stan and Marshalls podcast. At some point it becomes the trippiest experience you've ever been through.
I alternate day fast. I finished my intermittent fast earlier, ate and now going back into my 24 hour fast. It really gives me energy.
I know one possible study for abstract art, and that is geometry for sure. How much Sir Roger Penrose, Benoit Mandelbrot and other great mathematicians contributed to our modern cultural graphical library just can't be overestimated.
I totally agree with you about the impact of Penrose and Mandelbrot but would replace; abstract art, with representational and realistic art, in your comment instead. "...Just my 2 cents" lol
I love that you talked about this subject and I really appreciate you two!
Of course sugar is a drug. People can't let go of it, lots of people act like addicts around it.
Sugar isn't a drug. Just because something has addictive-like effects doesn't make it a drug.
And sugar is not truly addictive like drugs are. There is no withdrawal if you quit sugar.
@@chloro8306 BS...
Web results
Sugar Is a Drug and Here's How We're Hooked - Healthlinewww.healthline.com › health-news › addiction-sugar-acts-like-drug-in...
Sep 18, 2013 - Brain scans have confirmed that intermittent sugar consumption affects the brain in ways similar to certain drugs. A highly cited study in the journal Neuroscience & Biobehavioral Reviews found that sugar-as pervasive as it is-meets the criteria for a substance of abuse and may be addictive to those who binge on it.
Brain scans have confirmed that intermittent sugar consumption affects the brain in ways similar to certain drugs. A highly cited study in the journal Neuroscience & Biobehavioral Reviews found that sugar meets the criteria for a substance of abuse.
Why is sugar so addicting?
The link between sugar and addictive behavior is tied to the fact that, when we eat sugar, opioids and dopamine are released. ... When a certain behavior causes an excess release of dopamine, you feel a pleasurable “high” that you are inclined to re-experience, and so repeat the behavior.Oct 10, 2016
How does sugar affect the body?
When you eat excess sugar, the extra insulin in your bloodstream can affect your arteries all over your body. It causes their walls to get inflamed, grow thicker than normal and more stiff, this stresses your heart and damages it over time. This can lead to heart disease, like heart failure, heart attacks, and strokes.
When we digest sugar, enzymes in the small intestine break it down into glucose. ... If your body stops producing any or enough insulin, or if your cells become resistant to it, this can result in diabetes, leaving your blood-sugar levels to rise to dangerous levels.Feb 17, 2016
Oct 10, 2016 - Sugar affects our brain pathways just like addictive drugs, and most of us don't realize how much we're eating.
Is sugar the world's most popular drug? | Gary Taubes ...www.theguardian.com › society › jan › is-sugar-worlds-most-popular...
Jan 5, 2017 - The Long Read: It eases pain, seems to be addictive and shows every sign of causing long-term health problems. Is it time to quit sugar for ...
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93). Based upon this definition, sugar would not be classified as a drug, because it is generally considered to be a food, and foods are excluded from the ...
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Dec 18, 2019 - Although not generally considered as serious as many other addictions, sugar addiction can cause a number of very serious health effects.
The only reason it's not a "drug" because the people feeding it to you call it food. Everything's a drug, foods have drugs in them, therefore naming a drug a food restricts it from being a drug. Sugars not addictive? stop eating it for two weeks boss.
Our culture puts in as much sugar as possible into everything.. why? .. because they like drugs in their food that makes people crave their food. Good for business.
@@TwDjLsT I have stopped eating sugar for more than two weeks. It's not difficult, because it's not a drug.
"Everything's a drug" is just your special way of admitting that you don't know what a drug is. There is no withdrawal from sugar, it's not a drug.
The only reason anyone calls sugar a drug is so that they feel better about their lack of self-discipline. Because if it's not a drug, that means the only reason they don't quit eating it is because they don't care enough.
Sugar does not have stimulant or narcotic effects. Sugar rushes are a myth.
@@TwDjLsT behavioralscientist.org/no-sugar-isnt-new-heroin/
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www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140909093617.htm
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Quote:
"While sugar does trigger the same dopamine pathway as drugs, so do many other things including naps, exercise, sex, connecting with others, and other tasty foods that do not contain sugar. If sugar and other foods didn’t trigger the dopamine-reward cycle, we wouldn’t be alive today."
Can Marshall please explain his dream journal habit? It was so interesting yet cut short. Thank you both for another informative episode!
old *bald* teacher with beard ,
young *cocky* small beard dude
*in hazard suits*
i have seen something like this before
Cold showers are a great alternative. You begin by hating it, but you are more willing to do uncomfortable things after the fact because you pushed yourself to do something that's already uncomfortable. Then from there you relish in the fact you were able to do something out of your comfort zone making you feel better and more willing to do things that make you uncomfortable. It's kinda like self discipline becoming productivity then becoming content in ones self.
Lmao Stans face every time trying to understand wtf people are saying on the voicemails
Marshall's dream journal is so interesting!
Many ancient /old rituals require fasting for a few days to get them in trance. They still exist in parts of South East Asia
“It’s METH”… “it’s… Grape?” 😂
Interesting when Marshal addresses the penumbra state, athletic high and fasting on creativity.
That last sound effect was perfeck. lol
Funny, I asked myself after last weeks episode what your guys' opinions were on psychedelics on the creative process
Lol same i was thinking the same while sketching and smoking a joint xD. I thought about what weed does to my drawings and i must say that i smoke only when i sketch with pencils, when i just think about ideas... then when i ink or do other stuff that need my mind to be fast before the ink dry etc i don't smoke. I smoke after i finish the inking part and i take a break and then eat munchies and start inking again xD
Retired Art and Music teacher here (potter & watercolorist) who loves your emphasis on HISTORY. (Art and Music)
I really appreciated Marshalls point of view; about the different types of drug use/users. I personally have an interest in both art and drugs (psychopharmacology) and plan on continuing my education into medicine and psychopharmacology specifically. This doesn't mean I always use drugs, and more often than not, have more knowledge on a drug, than I have experience with said drug. I do think knowledge is better than ignorance and we should teach harm reduction, rather than vilification (of the drugs) and demonization (of the users) which has negative effects for society as a whole. Stan had a very biased opinion and seemed to just flat-out, demonize drugs (other than caffeine). BUT the discussion between you two, was very interesting to hear unfold. I hope one day Stan can share a similar view to Marshalls, I respect his opinion but I think he could benefit greatly from learning/reading about drugs/addiction (no need to experiment haha). Please keep having interesting (debate-like) talks like this and I wish you both the best!
Respect.
My favorite episode by far!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks guys...
The set looks great! It's amazing how it suits you guys haha
most entertaining podcast, keep it up guys
There are definitely risks involved in taking psychedelics , but I think if you've got a good head on your shoulders and don't suffer from severe mental health issues or anxiety, there are without a doubt a plethora of benefits to be had.
This was epic and it was again great to meet you at Light Box!
Oh yes, *the glue* . No wonder why the workshop nearby is always full of laughter. The employees inside are high af.
So freaky! they could easily be the art equivalent of Walt and Jesse! Manufacturing high grade illegal blue pastels wherever they set up their cook.
I feel like if you guys are gonna talk about art and Drugs. You should have maybe brought up good examples of artist who do use drugs for the visionary aspect of them. For example Alex Grey. I feel like he’s one of the most influential artists in the world still alive and yea many paintings were inspired by his incredibly spiritual visionary trips. Hmmm I think I just would have liked to hear you guys talk about the ‘’spiritually aspect looking deep within to find truth and that kind of stuff’ . Hope I’m not sounding rude, and this makes sense haha cannabis too for me can have a profound effect on the deeper meaning behind some of my work in great ways.
I came here for art and ended up with a very interesting discussion about drugs and the creative process
Halloween costumes every episode in October?
The nice thing about exercise is that it gets easier with time. The more you do it the less it takes out of you and yet the more you can do. For instance, running a mile on the first day of training will leave you tired for the entire day, but running 6 miles after several months of training will only leave you tired for a few hours.
F*ckin unreal guys A+ production value
Reads title. Ah yes the quality content I subscribed for