For me what is the most interesting is how isolation of Amphoreus will affect the story. Yarilo VI was isolated for only 7 centuries and before this had firm connection with other worlds that left treir traces in Belobog, but Amphoreus is different. This is civilization that never had bonds with other worlds, so it should be quite unique planet.
That's not necessarily correct. It's still possible to get to by other means besides the silver rail. Also memokeepers seem to be able to travel through means we don't know about. And Sampo got onto Jarilo 6 somehow... So. It may be connected. We don't know yet.
Coming back here after the announcement of Aglaea its seems this planet will be the next destination on our journey I’m pretty excited to see what this planet has in store for us
I think the Elation also has some influence on the plant. In the First Anniversary board game event there was a line about masked fools on Amphoreus. Plus, Mourning Actors sound very Greek tragedy coded.
Yeah but they are probably not that major in terms of the overall conflict in the planet just that a small number of citizens might follow the path. Just like how Order and Harmony were the main paths in Penacony but nihility also played an important role because of Acheron, or how Remembrance and Enigmata was used to create Dreamflux reef.
I'm shocked you didn't mention the voracity considering the Aeon's Greek appearance, there has been a lot of recent mention of the leviathans in-game, and we know that apparently some worship leviathans as well instead of Aeons. It would make sense that the world potentially beyond Qlipoth's walls would have some forms of them
Im speculating this. But I speculate that we have to fight against a massive boss (like the Sunday boss), made by the Enigmata, at the end of the story. But before we fight that boss, the trailblazer gained the path of Erudition, for encovering the truth. (Also i think Dr Ratio MIGHT play a part in this too. Like its his home planet; esp with his clothes that's inspired by Ancient Greek clothing)
I really like the speculation that fiction will clash with reality, especially after Penacony's storyline! It could all start to come together then, including the Honkai part of Honkai Star Rail.
I love hsr lore and first comment I also have a theory that we might meet Dr ratio or even the intelligencia guild at some point of the story in amphorious but it's just speculation
This honestly makes so much sense compared to what i thought. I thought The Remembrance and The Enigmata would fight to either record the world's history or cover it up and The Elation is just there laughing. It looks to be so chaotic its gonna be so good.
Speaking of elation, the dual comedy mask did get its roots in rome. Itd be cool to meet another masked fool who managed to sneak in with us aboard the express.
The path you've chosen to explore here reminds me of the times of Greek philosophers. Then, the philosophers aimed to understand the world divorced from mythical Gods that the majority of the Greeks beliefs. They wanted a more rational approach to questions on ontology. You can say that it's the Erudition would want to preserve history, but I think it will be more interesting if it's the Enigmata who wants to preserve the planet's culture and belief system. Belief systems are mostly based of stories and myths anyway, sometimes at the expense of rejecting objective natural sciences. But they are still part of history and culture that doesn't deserve to be erased. At the same time, obscuring the truth of how the world works can be very detrimental. The Erudition will understand this and strive towards progress. If you are right about the paths presented here, I think it's more likely the conflict turns out this way, considering the planet's isolation. Think of Sigonians' belief in Gaiathra. Their understanding of how their world works would be markedly different to the rest of the cosmos, where Aeons are, as far as we know, the objective truth. But who knows, maybe even our understanding of Aeons are still obscured by the Enigmata, and therefore NOT true...
Enigmata making the aeons into the "beings" they are is actually one of the bigghest big brain takes ever. The most mysterious beings in the universe are obiviously mysterious and elusive because something keeps obscuring their true nature.
Very true. Many philosphers were executed or banished for their rejection of the divine mythos. This makes me wonder if perhaps the enigmata have a cultural vicegrip on the planet, which the philosphers are trying to break.
Do you think it’s possible Amphoreus is Dr. Ratio’s home planet? He has the Greek inspired clothing and Greece was the home of scholars and mathematicians
I doubt this, according to honkaiverse lore space between star systems are filled with dense imaginary energy forming natural barrier impenetrable for mortals. Akivili solved this problem to certain extent by creating silver rail that connect worlds, but it allows only travel to places that have been visited by Akivili. Amphoreus isn't connected to silver rail, so only Aeons, their Emanators and some super ancient civilizations like Sky People (their civilization is 250 million years old) can visit and left Amphoreus.
i think it’s ratio’s home planet,but none in the way most would think ; it is speculated(and imo close to canon£ that the red marks under its eyes are natural and not makeup and his a type of birthmark for his people. So i think his people MIGHT originate from Amphoreus but he isn’t.
@alexpav845 The story in Honkai star rail has yet to fully describe in intricate detail what “imaginary space and imaginary energy”. I think it is highly probable that there is no imaginary tree but rather an imaginary circle due to the cyclical nature of imaginary numbers i^0= 1, i^1=i, i^2=-1, i^3=-i, i^4=1. Thus, imaginary space functions in a way that traps you in an endless loop or cycle constantly ending up in the same location over and over again. This is probably why it is impractical and possibly impossible for most individuals to traverse imaginary space without ending up trapped in an endless cycle. It is also why I hypothesize why everyone is so fixated on zero cycling the memory of chaos as memory of chaos is intricately connected with Amphoreus due to both being places of the Remembrance. The star rail probably functions similarity to a bridge to ensure linear travel is possible which would help prevent the cyclical movement within imaginary space. As such, the star rail probably forms a kind of real space that acts as a platform for the player to manipulate the main character in traversing space.
Eidolons are hypothetically also the quantized unit of imaginary energy; so hypothetically if one were to procure enough eidolons (quantum imaginary energy) like 12 or 15 units, then they might have enough potential imaginary energy to cross the boundary. I presume that later in this game’s lifespan, eidolons would be discussed in more detail and help bridge the gap between sea of quanta and imaginary “tree” and how to procure more of these eidolons. Perhaps when a character accumulates enough imaginary energy through vertical growth via eidolons, that is how ascension into aeons naturally occur. Mechanically, eidolons signify complex exponential growth able to augment a character’s potential to dominate various content with characters such as Robin E6 being extremely strong. Robin E6 in a built team can easily crush emanators such as Phantilia and Sunday in battle signifying massive power. The concept theory of Aeons seems to be misinterpreted as Aeons don’t really seem to represent concepts but rather parts of a machine or program due to their AI centric behavior acting like they are programmed.
i'll post here my own theory for amphoreus and its 3 paths but there are a few things i want to mention first. so... the thing i want to point out is the mention of leviathan in 2.4 or rather the timing of it. quite literally the first thing we got after amphoreus was revealed as our next destination was a mention about leviathans, a request from herta to go and research some leviathan fossils in calenga abyss with ruan mei tagging along, before that the only mentions about leviathans are the doomsday beasts being made out of their remains and oroboros being a leviathan before THEY ascended to Aeonhood. considering the fact that the timer for divergent universe lines up with 2.5 likely meaning that the divergent universe would be updated in 2.5 and the timer for simulated universe lines up with 2.6 likely meaning the simulated universe would finally be updated again in 2.6. my theory for why herta requested the astral express to go and research leviathan fossils with ruan mei is so ruan mei can learn about leviathan biology and then geniuses would be able simulate leviathans in the simulated universe to learn more about the nature of leviathans which can also help them learn more about oroboros the voracity. because of that i believe the focus of the next simulated universe update would be leviathans and the voracity considering researching leviathan fossils was specifically herta's request and if i'm correct about it... its very interesting that we are diving into leviathan lore right before amphoreus. now my theory for the 3 paths in amphoreus is remembrance being the main path of amphoreus, voracity as the enemy path and idk about the 3rd path enigmata is a good one because of enigmata's origin which from what we know is related to remembrance. for the story maybe in the star system amphoreus is a part of there is a dormant leviathan and the factions present in amphoreus are terrified that it might wake up but nobody knows how to deal with it so the enigmata is hiding the existence of a leviathan within the star system so no one would wake it up accidently or otherwise while also trying to keep it asleep so it won't wake up by itself but the remembrance believe that its awakening is inevitable and can't be prevented so they want to preserve the knowledge about it so the natives of amphoreus can prepare to face against it and when the time come the leviathan attack won't come out of nowhere. i believe that the final boss of amphoreus would be said leviathan which if i'm right that boss battle would be epic af. as for the path the trailblazer would get in amphoreus my theory is a bit of a wildcard but i believe that in version 3 they would introduce a new playable path that path being the remembrance and the trailblazer would get that path i know its a bit of a crack theory but star rail is running out of path + element combinations very fast and they need to do something about it so it won't get boring and also from a story standpoint considering amphoreus is only visible through the mirror in the garden of recollection i feel like the main path of amphoreus has to be remembrance and i mean in version 3 of Genshin we did got the dendro element and dendro traveler so it already happened once and i dont see any reason for it to not happen again. i think the characteristic of the remembrance as a playable path could be chain reactions (some examples are the borisin enemy moon rage state and the attack that happens once you break all 3 puppets against past, present and eternal show. basically how would it work is once a certain condition is met the chain reaction would be activated whether its a team wide buff all summons action advance a big attack or whatever the heck hoyo wants to do i think a mechanic like that have a ton of potential to be its own path. for the future of star rail post amphoreus i think the same as you do anyways this message is way too long sorry about it😅 this is the main theory i have in mind for amphoreus and version 3 in general (+ a bit of 2.6 ig) i really enjoy theorycrafting about both story and gameplay. really enjoyed the video theories and speculations both gameplay and storywise are my favorite type of videos
it is as i thought too i have liked the path of voracity since the myriad celestia trailer of all aeons came out, i think ruan mei needs historic and biological data to recreate the time before the dusk wars or during the dusk wars to update the simulated universe
Yes I think the next SU DLC is Dusk Wars related. Hoyo won't mention about Leviathan right now for nothing, it's their way of foreshadowing. HSR really need a new playable path for 3.0 similar to Genshin 3.0 with Sumeru. I have some ideas if you want some references: - Remembrance Stacks mirrors on allies. Mirror reflect enemy' attacks/debuffs back to enemy. Loses 1 stack when got attacked. Reflection have percentage to fail and scales from Effect RES. - Elation Infiltrates enemy team to change the enemy position or group them to one position. When in enemy team, cannot be attacked by enemy, but can be hit by allies. Attacks enemies that are adjacent to them when in enemy' team. - Propagation Summons battle summon(s). Each summon has different kit and an ultimate. Summons have fixed SPD and controllable in battle. Summons are counted as Extra action. Summons only have 1 type of attack, cannot regenerate SP nor use SP. Summons got buffed if Summoner got buffed. - Voracity Attacks aggressively by using Basic & Skill outside of turn. Gain one chance to use Basic/Skill when enemy or ally take a turn. The order of attacks are fixed (Basic > Skill > Basic > Skill, and so on). Is single target.
@@jewzetto9492 the propoagation idea i can see working as a path but the other 3 are too limiting i can see them making a character or 2 with those ideas but not a whole path. when it comes to paths their characteristic needs to be very generalized so new characters that are part of said paths can all be unique in some ways and not everything being the same or too similar this is why for my idea for remembrance as a playable path i chose chain reactions you have infinite possibilities with chain reactions it is a general enough term to where you can spin it in any way you like. the ideas are good they are just too limiting to work as different path
@@flamer1984 Yeah thank you for the critics. I think you got the gist of it. I tried to post this in reddit and immediately got flamed by those that said it will ruin the LC pool. These people don't know how hard it was to invent these ideas. And I think I like your idea too. Chain reaction seem to be quite abstract and surprising, it is like a Jack of all trades type of mechanic and I think it fits Elation path which always been unpredictable in nature. But for this type of mechanic, it will be hard to find a suitable LC for these characters because of how niche each chatacter' kit will be.
@@jewzetto9492 i can see lightcones being a bit of a problem with a mechanic like that but tbh lightcones don't really need to work the same as the path does lightcones are usually general buffs or things to help with the kit that the lightcone was made for
I can already picture an Olympic arc in Amphoreus, and HSR be roasting the opening of 2024 Olympic 💀 ANYWAY, here's a little theory about AMPHOREUS: I called it "TIME-TRAIN THEORY" You know we have been getting Finality crumbs in Penacony, it is obvious Hoyo is setting Finality as plot point in Amphoreus. THE other set up is Remembrance with Black Swan pretty much said "Amphoreus can only be seen through Remembrance power" which means this world/planet doesn't exist in the present but somewhere in different "time-system" that exist before our present time, and Black Swan can sense this planet due to the scattered memories of that planet. (if you are confused, imagine a train with different carriages that move forward. Right now we are in carriage 3 so everything that is visible to us are only things in carriage 3. But Amphoreus exists in other carriage before us, which might be carriage 2 or 1). Now to reach that planet we need time-travel power, this means we need TERMINUS or someone that follows the path Finality to travel to that particular "time system" in the past, one of the candidates is ELIO. Last but not least, If the train theory is correct, then it means Amphorues is destined to meet its end because it doesn't exist in our present timeline anymore.
Actually Amphoreus could have the Olympic as ceremonial event in their Continuance Mission so yeah, let's see what HSR gonna reference this time lmao. Also holy wubbaboo this theory is PEAK. But If it's true, there's one quote by Black Swan that said that their destiny is in uncertainty, but based from your theory, Amphoreus destiny seem to be quite obvious.. They are GONE now. BUT, perhaps they could play it like in 2.1 where Black Swan sensed that the memory of Amphoreus seem to be cut by someone, similar to what happened to Anihilation Gang vs Acheron memory. This leave the question of what actually happened to this planet, which is in itself is uncertainty and mystery. And MAYBE through the power of remembrance, we finally can find that lost memory and see the future of this planet and using that memory, we can change the DESTINY of this planet. And thus, Remembrance Trailblazer born.
@@Arcaana_dabra I was just joking, they probably won't roast it. But we all know HSR love referencing stuffs, and since it's Greek-related planet this time they might as well reference the Olympic and it could go like this: NPC: "oh hey.. you said you participated in an event called War-Dance festival? Is it like galactic sport event or something?" - "yes" NPC: "Well Great! We also have some kind of traditional event where each tribe in Amphoreus gather to see each of our athletic abilities. You may also join as participant or just sit and watch the event. Usually for the audience there will be an opening ceremony.. but the for the recent opening ceremony.. yeah.. it was not so great, I hope they fix it this year"
I find it interesting that The Enigmata is an Aeon revolving around Fiction, this kind of made me speculate that it will have an involvement with the Fate crossover.
just like you said that the name amphoreus is also refrence to the vase artestry which remind you in ancient greece they used vases to draw storie and legends to "remember" them. I guess thats why remembrence is also there.
There a rumors about nihility TB so leads me to theorize that maybe the TB can’t solve the crisis between the 3 factions and decides its not worth it anymore or something along those lines
In the leaks the 3.X Trailblazer is considered being of the "Remembrance" path, but that's not playable, so the playable path will likely be Destruction or Nihility.
@@alirizvi5663Imo Remembrance and Enigmata will probably become playable Destruction and Nihility are probably just stand in until the programer has implemented them in the code.
@@Αλέξανδρος-τ2λ he's supposed to be following the rememberence, but since that isn't an available path, they choose destruction, future tb is gonna be ice destruction.
Imo I think the antagonist will be the Cremator faction of Remembrance working with the Enigmata. What's the best way to shroud history in a fog of myth, than to outright destroy memories? Other than that a curve ball for the involved paths could be the Abundance as Amphoreus is the "Eternal Land."
If we get new power here, I think this will be power of Erudition path and maybe Quantum element (because there are many Erudition/Ice characters and I would like something different then Herta)
Funny that if they want to travel to planet never visited by Akivili, then there's Welt homeworld. A place never visited by Akivili according to the express record. And memokeeper probably also know where it is since there's Welt lightcone which is essentially memory and only memokeeper could make them.
@@riodaweirdo3062 xianzhou was between region patches though, it sounds like we may not be going to this one until 3.0 which would probably mean new trailblazer
@@annaairahala9462 there are only 7 paths and at this point before 3.0 we already have 3 different paths unlocked, it just seems a bit fast if we were to get a new path in Amphoreus
I really hope they do trailblaze detours with mini planet visits! I don’t want them to over saturate the existing planets with meaningless locations each smaller patch, and I think the exploration is the best part of star rail. I like the idea of other Xianzhou ships, perhaps the planet herta’s space station orbits (the blue?), I would love a small beach planet for a summer event. Etc
Hm three paths ... three kingdoms ... not only isolated but also usually not visible or rather ... observable like as it is protected by some kind of false sky, a planet of gods and monsters, and well fictional beeings that can be imprinted into the history so one could assume that there are unstable places there where maybe history can be changed already like reviving fallen warriors, also three paths one which want's to preserve the beeings maybe like with guardians watching over regions directly, one that trys to delete those beeings which could also be done by altering them into "erudition" versions of them and a human hating scientist who probably has a problem with the arrogation of mankind but is really good at creating memory preserving methods to store all his experimentation data meanwhile stabelizing regions so they can be protected and grant power to the protectors 🤔can't help but getting Teyvat vibes especially since the natlan patch now ... probably wrong and certainly not the only HSR Newbie coming from Genshin who makes this connection on the little we know about HSR BUT this kind of stuff is so much fun to think about :D Well all we know for sure is ... Teyvat has it's own rules and beeings there are bound by fate written on the false sky which predetermins there future. You could also say that in real life it was kind of a muse for HSR ;) sorry couldn't help the last one 😅but if you think about it Hoyo could toss out more than enough characters if they crossover with genshin (like ... Fishl?) AND Genshin shall End in 2 Versions kinda convenient with two jumps. Nice vid! Thanks!
They better give a new form of trailblazer cause I'm pretty annoyeed we got scammed by Lan after making sure we save one of his flipping ships.Like the family is in Penacony but it is obvious that they are not only rooted there and all we had to do to get harmony trailblazer was flex on Sunday with our supreme drip so my point being,if we play a major role from the change or destruction of a planet I believe it should get some attention
@oghenekenoekelemu6865 the thing is that the Aeons will acknowledge us by doing something they do. We didn't really destroy any abominations. So... maybe in 2.5 after we fight with Hoolay
I think it will be Enigmata, Remembrance and Finality because these three paths are mentioned alot. And the end game content is these three specifically.
I wonder if we see Dr Ratio there since he got the same inspirations as the planet itself, is he from there originally? I know hsr makes members of erudition be as less attached to their homeland as possible but still
Omg, a planet based on greece is definitely gonna become my favourite planet of them i am probably gonna want all caracters😭😭 Help! Good thing there is no Japanese planet anymore, or i would be chasing after it like all the inazuma characters So originally, i thought that 3.x MC would be nihilisti next, but now i believe erudition, looks like he will be the first erudition I will build
I thought Amphores is a land are inhabited by denizens of abundance. This makes sense to me because that we go to Xianzhou before it and speculating that we learn from Lucina and Jingliu how to bear Yaoishi properly.
Wouldn’t the Remembrance be the opposite of Enigmata than the Erudition since the remembrance is storing memories and history of things than erudition just being the pursuit of knowledge weather it’s shared or store.
No, funny enough, Erudition actually isn't just knowledge, Remembrance and Enigmata are also paths of knowledge they just handle and interact with it differently, instead think of Enigmata more as subjective information, creativity and infinite possibilities, while Remembrance is the one storing and preserving information, while Erudition is all about structure objective knowledge based on facts, and data, what Mythus HF is trying to do is by erasing the past they allow the future to be more open to infinite possibilities and subjective interpretation, Nous is capable of calculating the future by reading the past, they are able to form conclusions based on objective data, you can see why Mythus followers want to destroy that because they believe that by knowing certaine information from the past , people become shackled to that information and are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past, they lose creativity, and creativity seem to be under Enigmata's path, as well as opinions and everything uncertaine about knowledge, keyword for Enigmata is uncertainty, while Erudition is certainty, and Remembrance is preservation of memories, ironic enough Enigmata was actually born from Remembrance in the lore, the Nameless once saw Mythus emerging out of Fuli's Eden of Blessed Insight, and only the paths of Enigmata and Remembrance can manipulate memoria and possibly temper with the sub conscious mind.
I wonder if muses will be one of the fictional beings, if any, seen on amphoreus. Muses is greek mythos received divided receptions. By artists and musicians- they were revered for their creativity. By scholars and philosphers they were despised for contributing non logic based feelings. Leading people on, just to leave them with artist block. Source: uuuuh a breif freshman reading of "consolation of philosophy" by boethius, which is starting to get hazy. Ps: i know theres no info regarding his planet, but i wonder if well get more dr.ratio content bc of his greek inspired fit.
I stronger belive ampouria follows permanents because it's csuld ethernal plane after all cude also be that the Boss of this Planet finks Like Ei from this because ethernaty and Looks there Planet of Others becaise thats probly a way to fink of ethernaty And than also bauthy because greek and Rom both finked we're very bauthy baist and also seamed to be very strong handelt on bauthy Thats at least waht i fink
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I like how for genshin you use Zhongli and for HSR you use Welt. Knowledgeable old men hahah
Given enough time Silicon might use a future memokeeper character, because you know memokeepers are like the storytellers of the cosmos
For me what is the most interesting is how isolation of Amphoreus will affect the story. Yarilo VI was isolated for only 7 centuries and before this had firm connection with other worlds that left treir traces in Belobog, but Amphoreus is different. This is civilization that never had bonds with other worlds, so it should be quite unique planet.
That's not necessarily correct. It's still possible to get to by other means besides the silver rail. Also memokeepers seem to be able to travel through means we don't know about. And Sampo got onto Jarilo 6 somehow...
So. It may be connected. We don't know yet.
Coming back here after the announcement of Aglaea its seems this planet will be the next destination on our journey I’m pretty excited to see what this planet has in store for us
I think the Elation also has some influence on the plant. In the First Anniversary board game event there was a line about masked fools on Amphoreus. Plus, Mourning Actors sound very Greek tragedy coded.
Yeah but they are probably not that major in terms of the overall conflict in the planet just that a small number of citizens might follow the path. Just like how Order and Harmony were the main paths in Penacony but nihility also played an important role because of Acheron, or how Remembrance and Enigmata was used to create Dreamflux reef.
I'm shocked you didn't mention the voracity considering the Aeon's Greek appearance, there has been a lot of recent mention of the leviathans in-game, and we know that apparently some worship leviathans as well instead of Aeons. It would make sense that the world potentially beyond Qlipoth's walls would have some forms of them
Im speculating this. But I speculate that we have to fight against a massive boss (like the Sunday boss), made by the Enigmata, at the end of the story. But before we fight that boss, the trailblazer gained the path of Erudition, for encovering the truth.
(Also i think Dr Ratio MIGHT play a part in this too. Like its his home planet; esp with his clothes that's inspired by Ancient Greek clothing)
I really like the speculation that fiction will clash with reality, especially after Penacony's storyline! It could all start to come together then, including the Honkai part of Honkai Star Rail.
Fun fact the Greek word for amber is elektron meaning it is very likely that Quilpoth the Amber lord would have a significant presence in Amphoreus.
I love hsr lore and first comment I also have a theory that we might meet Dr ratio or even the intelligencia guild at some point of the story in amphorious but it's just speculation
This honestly makes so much sense compared to what i thought. I thought The Remembrance and The Enigmata would fight to either record the world's history or cover it up and The Elation is just there laughing. It looks to be so chaotic its gonna be so good.
Speaking of elation, the dual comedy mask did get its roots in rome.
Itd be cool to meet another masked fool who managed to sneak in with us aboard the express.
@@coffeeking9565 We could even or might as well see Giovanni again 👀
The path you've chosen to explore here reminds me of the times of Greek philosophers. Then, the philosophers aimed to understand the world divorced from mythical Gods that the majority of the Greeks beliefs. They wanted a more rational approach to questions on ontology. You can say that it's the Erudition would want to preserve history, but I think it will be more interesting if it's the Enigmata who wants to preserve the planet's culture and belief system.
Belief systems are mostly based of stories and myths anyway, sometimes at the expense of rejecting objective natural sciences. But they are still part of history and culture that doesn't deserve to be erased. At the same time, obscuring the truth of how the world works can be very detrimental. The Erudition will understand this and strive towards progress.
If you are right about the paths presented here, I think it's more likely the conflict turns out this way, considering the planet's isolation. Think of Sigonians' belief in Gaiathra. Their understanding of how their world works would be markedly different to the rest of the cosmos, where Aeons are, as far as we know, the objective truth. But who knows, maybe even our understanding of Aeons are still obscured by the Enigmata, and therefore NOT true...
Enigmata making the aeons into the "beings" they are is actually one of the bigghest big brain takes ever. The most mysterious beings in the universe are obiviously mysterious and elusive because something keeps obscuring their true nature.
Very true. Many philosphers were executed or banished for their rejection of the divine mythos. This makes me wonder if perhaps the enigmata have a cultural vicegrip on the planet, which the philosphers are trying to break.
Do you think it’s possible Amphoreus is Dr. Ratio’s home planet? He has the Greek inspired clothing and Greece was the home of scholars and mathematicians
I doubt this, according to honkaiverse lore space between star systems are filled with dense imaginary energy forming natural barrier impenetrable for mortals. Akivili solved this problem to certain extent by creating silver rail that connect worlds, but it allows only travel to places that have been visited by Akivili. Amphoreus isn't connected to silver rail, so only Aeons, their Emanators and some super ancient civilizations like Sky People (their civilization is 250 million years old) can visit and left Amphoreus.
i think it’s ratio’s home planet,but none in the way most would think ;
it is speculated(and imo close to canon£ that the red marks under its eyes are natural and not makeup and his a type of birthmark for his people.
So i think his people MIGHT originate from Amphoreus but he isn’t.
@alexpav845
The story in Honkai star rail has yet to fully describe in intricate detail what “imaginary space and imaginary energy”. I think it is highly probable that there is no imaginary tree but rather an imaginary circle due to the cyclical nature of imaginary numbers i^0= 1, i^1=i, i^2=-1, i^3=-i, i^4=1. Thus, imaginary space functions in a way that traps you in an endless loop or cycle constantly ending up in the same location over and over again. This is probably why it is impractical and possibly impossible for most individuals to traverse imaginary space without ending up trapped in an endless cycle. It is also why I hypothesize why everyone is so fixated on zero cycling the memory of chaos as memory of chaos is intricately connected with Amphoreus due to both being places of the Remembrance.
The star rail probably functions similarity to a bridge to ensure linear travel is possible which would help prevent the cyclical movement within imaginary space. As such, the star rail probably forms a kind of real space that acts as a platform for the player to manipulate the main character in traversing space.
I don't think so, but let's hope he shows up in the trailblaze continuance events after Amphoerus.
Eidolons are hypothetically also the quantized unit of imaginary energy; so hypothetically if one were to procure enough eidolons (quantum imaginary energy) like 12 or 15 units, then they might have enough potential imaginary energy to cross the boundary. I presume that later in this game’s lifespan, eidolons would be discussed in more detail and help bridge the gap between sea of quanta and imaginary “tree” and how to procure more of these eidolons. Perhaps when a character accumulates enough imaginary energy through vertical growth via eidolons, that is how ascension into aeons naturally occur.
Mechanically, eidolons signify complex exponential growth able to augment a character’s potential to dominate various content with characters such as Robin E6 being extremely strong. Robin E6 in a built team can easily crush emanators such as Phantilia and Sunday in battle signifying massive power. The concept theory of Aeons seems to be misinterpreted as Aeons don’t really seem to represent concepts but rather parts of a machine or program due to their AI centric behavior acting like they are programmed.
Finality , Remeberance and Enigmata
you always make videos on somehow exactly what i’m interested in
i'll post here my own theory for amphoreus and its 3 paths but there are a few things i want to mention first.
so... the thing i want to point out is the mention of leviathan in 2.4 or rather the timing of it. quite literally the first thing we got after amphoreus was revealed as our next destination was a mention about leviathans, a request from herta to go and research some leviathan fossils in calenga abyss with ruan mei tagging along, before that the only mentions about leviathans are the doomsday beasts being made out of their remains and oroboros being a leviathan before THEY ascended to Aeonhood.
considering the fact that the timer for divergent universe lines up with 2.5 likely meaning that the divergent universe would be updated in 2.5 and the timer for simulated universe lines up with 2.6 likely meaning the simulated universe would finally be updated again in 2.6.
my theory for why herta requested the astral express to go and research leviathan fossils with ruan mei is so ruan mei can learn about leviathan biology and then geniuses would be able simulate leviathans in the simulated universe to learn more about the nature of leviathans which can also help them learn more about oroboros the voracity.
because of that i believe the focus of the next simulated universe update would be leviathans and the voracity considering researching leviathan fossils was specifically herta's request and if i'm correct about it... its very interesting that we are diving into leviathan lore right before amphoreus.
now my theory for the 3 paths in amphoreus is remembrance being the main path of amphoreus, voracity as the enemy path and idk about the 3rd path enigmata is a good one because of enigmata's origin which from what we know is related to remembrance.
for the story maybe in the star system amphoreus is a part of there is a dormant leviathan and the factions present in amphoreus are terrified that it might wake up but nobody knows how to deal with it so the enigmata is hiding the existence of a leviathan within the star system so no one would wake it up accidently or otherwise while also trying to keep it asleep so it won't wake up by itself but the remembrance believe that its awakening is inevitable and can't be prevented so they want to preserve the knowledge about it so the natives of amphoreus can prepare to face against it and when the time come the leviathan attack won't come out of nowhere. i believe that the final boss of amphoreus would be said leviathan which if i'm right that boss battle would be epic af.
as for the path the trailblazer would get in amphoreus my theory is a bit of a wildcard but i believe that in version 3 they would introduce a new playable path that path being the remembrance and the trailblazer would get that path i know its a bit of a crack theory but star rail is running out of path + element combinations very fast and they need to do something about it so it won't get boring and also from a story standpoint considering amphoreus is only visible through the mirror in the garden of recollection i feel like the main path of amphoreus has to be remembrance and i mean in version 3 of Genshin we did got the dendro element and dendro traveler so it already happened once and i dont see any reason for it to not happen again.
i think the characteristic of the remembrance as a playable path could be chain reactions (some examples are the borisin enemy moon rage state and the attack that happens once you break all 3 puppets against past, present and eternal show. basically how would it work is once a certain condition is met the chain reaction would be activated whether its a team wide buff all summons action advance a big attack or whatever the heck hoyo wants to do i think a mechanic like that have a ton of potential to be its own path. for the future of star rail post amphoreus i think the same as you do
anyways this message is way too long sorry about it😅 this is the main theory i have in mind for amphoreus and version 3 in general (+ a bit of 2.6 ig) i really enjoy theorycrafting about both story and gameplay. really enjoyed the video theories and speculations both gameplay and storywise are my favorite type of videos
it is as i thought too
i have liked the path of voracity since the myriad celestia trailer of all aeons came out,
i think ruan mei needs historic and biological data to recreate the time before the dusk wars or during the dusk wars to update the simulated universe
Yes I think the next SU DLC is Dusk Wars related. Hoyo won't mention about Leviathan right now for nothing, it's their way of foreshadowing.
HSR really need a new playable path for 3.0 similar to Genshin 3.0 with Sumeru. I have some ideas if you want some references:
- Remembrance
Stacks mirrors on allies. Mirror reflect enemy' attacks/debuffs back to enemy. Loses 1 stack when got attacked. Reflection have percentage to fail and scales from Effect RES.
- Elation
Infiltrates enemy team to change the enemy position or group them to one position. When in enemy team, cannot be attacked by enemy, but can be hit by allies. Attacks enemies that are adjacent to them when in enemy' team.
- Propagation
Summons battle summon(s). Each summon has different kit and an ultimate. Summons have fixed SPD and controllable in battle. Summons are counted as Extra action. Summons only have 1 type of attack, cannot regenerate SP nor use SP. Summons got buffed if Summoner got buffed.
- Voracity
Attacks aggressively by using Basic & Skill outside of turn. Gain one chance to use Basic/Skill when enemy or ally take a turn. The order of attacks are fixed (Basic > Skill > Basic > Skill, and so on). Is single target.
@@jewzetto9492 the propoagation idea i can see working as a path but the other 3 are too limiting i can see them making a character or 2 with those ideas but not a whole path. when it comes to paths their characteristic needs to be very generalized so new characters that are part of said paths can all be unique in some ways and not everything being the same or too similar this is why for my idea for remembrance as a playable path i chose chain reactions you have infinite possibilities with chain reactions it is a general enough term to where you can spin it in any way you like. the ideas are good they are just too limiting to work as different path
@@flamer1984 Yeah thank you for the critics. I think you got the gist of it. I tried to post this in reddit and immediately got flamed by those that said it will ruin the LC pool. These people don't know how hard it was to invent these ideas.
And I think I like your idea too. Chain reaction seem to be quite abstract and surprising, it is like a Jack of all trades type of mechanic and I think it fits Elation path which always been unpredictable in nature. But for this type of mechanic, it will be hard to find a suitable LC for these characters because of how niche each chatacter' kit will be.
@@jewzetto9492 i can see lightcones being a bit of a problem with a mechanic like that but tbh lightcones don't really need to work the same as the path does lightcones are usually general buffs or things to help with the kit that the lightcone was made for
I can already picture an Olympic arc in Amphoreus, and HSR be roasting the opening of 2024 Olympic 💀
ANYWAY, here's a little theory about AMPHOREUS: I called it "TIME-TRAIN THEORY"
You know we have been getting Finality crumbs in Penacony, it is obvious Hoyo is setting Finality as plot point in Amphoreus.
THE other set up is Remembrance with Black Swan pretty much said "Amphoreus can only be seen through Remembrance power" which means this world/planet doesn't exist in the present but somewhere in different "time-system" that exist before our present time, and Black Swan can sense this planet due to the scattered memories of that planet. (if you are confused, imagine a train with different carriages that move forward. Right now we are in carriage 3 so everything that is visible to us are only things in carriage 3. But Amphoreus exists in other carriage before us, which might be carriage 2 or 1).
Now to reach that planet we need time-travel power, this means we need TERMINUS or someone that follows the path Finality to travel to that particular "time system" in the past, one of the candidates is ELIO.
Last but not least, If the train theory is correct, then it means Amphorues is destined to meet its end because it doesn't exist in our present timeline anymore.
Actually Amphoreus could have the Olympic as ceremonial event in their Continuance Mission so yeah, let's see what HSR gonna reference this time lmao.
Also holy wubbaboo this theory is PEAK. But If it's true, there's one quote by Black Swan that said that their destiny is in uncertainty, but based from your theory, Amphoreus destiny seem to be quite obvious.. They are GONE now.
BUT, perhaps they could play it like in 2.1 where Black Swan sensed that the memory of Amphoreus seem to be cut by someone, similar to what happened to Anihilation Gang vs Acheron memory. This leave the question of what actually happened to this planet, which is in itself is uncertainty and mystery.
And MAYBE through the power of remembrance, we finally can find that lost memory and see the future of this planet and using that memory, we can change the DESTINY of this planet. And thus, Remembrance Trailblazer born.
Why would they roast the 2024 olympics opening?
@@Arcaana_dabra I was just joking, they probably won't roast it. But we all know HSR love referencing stuffs, and since it's Greek-related planet this time they might as well reference the Olympic and it could go like this:
NPC: "oh hey.. you said you participated in an event called War-Dance festival? Is it like galactic sport event or something?"
- "yes"
NPC: "Well Great! We also have some kind of traditional event where each tribe in Amphoreus gather to see each of our athletic abilities. You may also join as participant or just sit and watch the event. Usually for the audience there will be an opening ceremony.. but the for the recent opening ceremony.. yeah.. it was not so great, I hope they fix it this year"
@@jewzetto9492 Tbh I didn't even think that far but hey you might be on to something with the new TB
Keep cooking , u cook hard !
I find it interesting that The Enigmata is an Aeon revolving around Fiction, this kind of made me speculate that it will have an involvement with the Fate crossover.
Star rail theory!!! We love to see it🔥🤌
just like you said that the name amphoreus is also refrence to the vase artestry which remind you in ancient greece they used vases to draw storie and legends to "remember" them. I guess thats why remembrence is also there.
There a rumors about nihility TB so leads me to theorize that maybe the TB can’t solve the crisis between the 3 factions and decides its not worth it anymore or something along those lines
In the leaks the 3.X Trailblazer is considered being of the "Remembrance" path, but that's not playable, so the playable path will likely be Destruction or Nihility.
@@alirizvi5663 we already have destruction tb tho
@@alirizvi5663Imo Remembrance and Enigmata will probably become playable Destruction and Nihility are probably just stand in until the programer has implemented them in the code.
@@Αλέξανδρος-τ2λ he's supposed to be following the rememberence, but since that isn't an available path, they choose destruction, future tb is gonna be ice destruction.
Imo I think the antagonist will be the Cremator faction of Remembrance working with the Enigmata. What's the best way to shroud history in a fog of myth, than to outright destroy memories? Other than that a curve ball for the involved paths could be the Abundance as Amphoreus is the "Eternal Land."
Cant wait for caelus to spend more time with black swan 💙
If we get new power here, I think this will be power of Erudition path and maybe Quantum element (because there are many Erudition/Ice characters and I would like something different then Herta)
Funny that if they want to travel to planet never visited by Akivili, then there's Welt homeworld. A place never visited by Akivili according to the express record. And memokeeper probably also know where it is since there's Welt lightcone which is essentially memory and only memokeeper could make them.
Wait erudition and the enigmata at opposing ends sounds so solid to me
Lets see how they cook with Erudition Trailblazer
We didn’t get hunt Trailblazer, I don’t think another one is incoming any time soon
@@riodaweirdo3062 xianzhou was between region patches though, it sounds like we may not be going to this one until 3.0 which would probably mean new trailblazer
@@annaairahala9462 there are only 7 paths and at this point before 3.0 we already have 3 different paths unlocked, it just seems a bit fast if we were to get a new path in Amphoreus
I just can't imagine Stelle being smart. Too many memes.
I really hope they do trailblaze detours with mini planet visits! I don’t want them to over saturate the existing planets with meaningless locations each smaller patch, and I think the exploration is the best part of star rail. I like the idea of other Xianzhou ships, perhaps the planet herta’s space station orbits (the blue?), I would love a small beach planet for a summer event. Etc
Hm three paths ... three kingdoms ... not only isolated but also usually not visible or rather ... observable like as it is protected by some kind of false sky, a planet of gods and monsters, and well fictional beeings that can be imprinted into the history so one could assume that there are unstable places there where maybe history can be changed already like reviving fallen warriors, also three paths one which want's to preserve the beeings maybe like with guardians watching over regions directly, one that trys to delete those beeings which could also be done by altering them into "erudition" versions of them and a human hating scientist who probably has a problem with the arrogation of mankind but is really good at creating memory preserving methods to store all his experimentation data meanwhile stabelizing regions so they can be protected and grant power to the protectors 🤔can't help but getting Teyvat vibes especially since the natlan patch now ... probably wrong and certainly not the only HSR Newbie coming from Genshin who makes this connection on the little we know about HSR BUT this kind of stuff is so much fun to think about :D Well all we know for sure is ... Teyvat has it's own rules and beeings there are bound by fate written on the false sky which predetermins there future. You could also say that in real life it was kind of a muse for HSR ;) sorry couldn't help the last one 😅but if you think about it Hoyo could toss out more than enough characters if they crossover with genshin (like ... Fishl?) AND Genshin shall End in 2 Versions kinda convenient with two jumps. Nice vid! Thanks!
OMG LETS GO GREEK INSPO?? YESSSS
I hope that this will be true. I really want us to get Erudition Trailblazer
They better give a new form of trailblazer cause I'm pretty annoyeed we got scammed by Lan after making sure we save one of his flipping ships.Like the family is in Penacony but it is obvious that they are not only rooted there and all we had to do to get harmony trailblazer was flex on Sunday with our supreme drip so my point being,if we play a major role from the change or destruction of a planet I believe it should get some attention
@oghenekenoekelemu6865 the thing is that the Aeons will acknowledge us by doing something they do. We didn't really destroy any abominations. So... maybe in 2.5 after we fight with Hoolay
Ice Erudition TB
@@hazlanmuhammadqodri8469 honestly I'd rather want Nihillity to be Ice
I think it will be Enigmata, Remembrance and Finality because these three paths are mentioned alot. And the end game content is these three specifically.
I wonder if we see Dr Ratio there since he got the same inspirations as the planet itself, is he from there originally? I know hsr makes members of erudition be as less attached to their homeland as possible but still
Omg, a planet based on greece is definitely gonna become my favourite planet of them
i am probably gonna want all caracters😭😭
Help!
Good thing there is no Japanese planet anymore, or i would be chasing after it like all the inazuma characters
So originally, i thought that 3.x MC would be nihilisti next, but now i believe erudition, looks like he will be the first erudition I will build
I hope we will have a lot of queer coding on Amphoreus and the Greek and Roman potential inspiration really lends itself to it.
We’ll get to see Gallagher again 😭😭😭😭
i like the idea of fiction coming to life
I thought Amphores is a land are inhabited by denizens of abundance. This makes sense to me because that we go to Xianzhou before it and speculating that we learn from Lucina and Jingliu how to bear Yaoishi properly.
So this planet whould be like a Dc.Ratio look?
Wouldn’t the Remembrance be the opposite of Enigmata than the Erudition since the remembrance is storing memories and history of things than erudition just being the pursuit of knowledge weather it’s shared or store.
No, funny enough, Erudition actually isn't just knowledge, Remembrance and Enigmata are also paths of knowledge they just handle and interact with it differently, instead think of Enigmata more as subjective information, creativity and infinite possibilities, while Remembrance is the one storing and preserving information, while Erudition is all about structure objective knowledge based on facts, and data, what Mythus HF is trying to do is by erasing the past they allow the future to be more open to infinite possibilities and subjective interpretation, Nous is capable of calculating the future by reading the past, they are able to form conclusions based on objective data, you can see why Mythus followers want to destroy that because they believe that by knowing certaine information from the past , people become shackled to that information and are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past, they lose creativity, and creativity seem to be under Enigmata's path, as well as opinions and everything uncertaine about knowledge, keyword for Enigmata is uncertainty, while Erudition is certainty, and Remembrance is preservation of memories, ironic enough Enigmata was actually born from Remembrance in the lore, the Nameless once saw Mythus emerging out of Fuli's Eden of Blessed Insight, and only the paths of Enigmata and Remembrance can manipulate memoria and possibly temper with the sub conscious mind.
1:43 are we gonna meet yaoshi?
I wonder if muses will be one of the fictional beings, if any, seen on amphoreus.
Muses is greek mythos received divided receptions.
By artists and musicians- they were revered for their creativity. By scholars and philosphers they were despised for contributing non logic based feelings. Leading people on, just to leave them with artist block.
Source: uuuuh a breif freshman reading of "consolation of philosophy" by boethius, which is starting to get hazy.
Ps: i know theres no info regarding his planet, but i wonder if well get more dr.ratio content bc of his greek inspired fit.
I'm 99% sure we will see Kevin expy in 3.0
Wasn't he supposedly killed by Acheron?
I stronger belive ampouria follows permanents because it's csuld ethernal plane after all cude also be that the Boss of this Planet finks Like Ei from this because ethernaty and Looks there Planet of Others becaise thats probly a way to fink of ethernaty
And than also bauthy because greek and Rom both finked we're very bauthy baist and also seamed to be very strong handelt on bauthy
Thats at least waht i fink
Can't wait for Alice she is a fallen previous aeon of beauty who knows how powerful she is 🤩
You're pronouncing 'vase' erroneously. It's actually pronounced 'vase'.
Fire emblem three houses
As a greek person:...πρεπει να τελειωσω την Πενακονι(i need to finish Penacony)
I don't care how much people loved Gallagher, enigmata is the path for cowards and manipulators.
Spoken like a true Riddler, a follower of the Enigmata.
No man's land means only female 😂😂. Lots of waifu😂😂😂