How Scottish Was William Wallace?
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- William Wallace, Braveheart, victor of the Battle of Stirling Bridge... surely the greatest hero of Scottish medieval history... but how Scottish was he? Scottish history tour guide, Bruce Fummey, goes to Stirling Bridge to discuss the background of Scotland's national hero.
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Yet another excellent video Bruce and such a fascinating topic. You must be able to think yourself around a corkscrew to make any sense out of medieval genealogy. How you don't end up tied in knots is beyond me. Well done sir, you're fantastic at what you do and your videos are absolute gold dust to those of us with a thirst for knowledge about our history. Looking forward to your next offering 👍👍
Was Wallace fighting the English.No he fought Norman King and we had little choice but to be with him. The game then as now was only about power. For the common man it mattered not who ruled taxes would still be the same who ever won. Wallace picked on the mighty King Edward 1. He was not able to do anything. When Edward died Wallace attacked his weak knee son Edward 11 a man all Europe knew as queer and weak .Wallace only then came to fight . He could never have beaten King Edward 1 a master of war like none other. His son was useless and upset everyone. Wallace did not meet the English queen not show his backside not paint his face blue .All that movie Brave heart was false . Even taht fact that it was not Wallace called Braveheart it was Robert Bruce title named years later by Scott
@@kevinjamesparr552 what a load of shite you speak, King Edward died 7-8 years after William Wallace died for a start.
The story of braveheart does have things made up for Hollywood no movies are 100% factually accurate in every sense. But the point of the movie and the Scottish wars of independence are all TRUE AND FACT, William Wallace was real and was a Scottish patriot and warrior. Robert The Bruce won Scotlands freedom in 1314 at the battle of bannockburn.
Read a book before you make up lies to suit your English agenda. Can’t lie about history when everyone knows it’s true.
ALBA GU BRATH SCOTLAND FOREVER 🏴
Think yourself around a corkscrew, Andy that's one I haven't heard before, and it's brilliant!
I love how complex family and ancestry can be. I was born in New Zealand, lived most of my adult life in Australia, and now live in Norway. My ancestry is English, Irish, German, and Australian Aboriginal. And through marriage my family now incudes Māori, Cubans, Icelanders, and Norwegians. It’s a wonderful and complicated world 😊
And yet some people are racist or nationalistic. We're all mongrels, citizens of the world. 🏴
Before anyone starts spouting off about their ancestry they should take a through DNA test. My son discovered he was in descending order: Italian , Scottish, German, Polish, English, Norse, French and a wee bit North African.
First off those tests need to be trustworthy n not tied to the CCP! There are a few that are n that’s a no go but the one I did was neither so that’s awesome but to your story I’m glad you know your heritage n story n it’s immensely important to know one’s history n where we come from so very kool on your family story!
Nice. My name is Scottish but my heritage is mixed. I am 5th generation NZer, 1/4 Scottish (very Jacobean), 1/4 German, 1/2 mixed Danish, English & protestant Irish (yes Orange men). But I have an NZ passport and all my colonial forebears arrived in NZ under Queen Vic (some via Aussie under earlier monarchs). So what is home - NZ, & what do I have a lingering affinity to - the North West of Europe that was.
@@JohnP538 I took a test & yes I am English, Scot, German, Scandi & Nth East European (I have Prussian ancestory). The test results reinforced approximately what we already knew. I was pleased that no Latin origin appeared. Best of all my Y sub-haplogroup says North Atlantic usually Celtic (high in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Brittony etc).
Well, I am English - that is where I was born, my mother was well Scot - and after years in France and the US, my home is Edinburgh and I won't move again.
I love Scotland and the people. A long and complicated history, and now a caring society.
Keep 'em coming, Bruce.
Nice one, Chris....
I am so glad you like Edinburgh and Scotland.The best wee country in the world.
@@doddsy71 Used to be, anyway
Your point about Wallace's French is a good one, and quite clear to anyone who has lived in Louisiana. There are two completely distinct dialects of French spoken there. One group of French speakers speaks the French that comes from the French settlers who moved there in the 1600s, and sounds somewhat similar to Continental French. Pretty French, eh? The other group is the Cajuns, and Cajun French is a warmer sounding language, reminding one of French spoken with a thick Gaelic brogue. The Cajuns came from Brittany, via Acadia in Canada. BOTH groups of French speaking people regard themselves as Louisianans and Americans, though they also feel culturally distinct from one another. So it's quite possible to have people of two different racial groups with a linguistically different background living side by side and regarding themselves as the same and different from each other at the same time. It happens in several places around the United States. Thank you for this video. I learned an immense amount about the origins of William Wallace from it.
It seems the French in Louisiana had West Indian origins/Connections (many fled the Slave up-rising in Haiti). I have paternal French creole heritage, and it seems most of the French in Caribbean came from South West France, around the Aquitaine region.
Excellent point 👉
@@MrResearcher122 similar to the Seminole people perhaps 🤔? 🇬🇧 uk
I learned French in Canada in the 1960s, I was fluent. When I first visited France and spoke French they could tell I wasn't native French, they told me I spoke an outdated form of French.
Not really connected to Scotland.
Just a quick point for some viewers, that wasn’t the original Stirling Bridge where the battle took place, it was a much smaller wooden bridge a hundred or so yards downstream. Tony Robinson done an episode about Wallace and a historian showed him that you can still actually see the wooden foundations of the old Stirling bridge underwater to this day.
I know.I lived there.Seen it all.Imagined even more.Scots Wha hae!
This man is a Scottish treasure
Wallace fought and died for Scotland so he is a Scottish warrior
As an Englishman, i cannot disagree with your comment
Another super video Bruce. I just love how you manage to "get it right up them" with nothing more than the facts. I have to say the effort you are obviously putting in planning and then editing these must be quite strenuous and is really paying off. Keep up the good work!
To make things even more confusing, the Bretons originally settled in France after moving there from southern Britain at the same time as the Anglo-Saxons were moving in, which means that the Breton knights who joined in with William the Conqueror's invasion were arguably moving back to their ancestral homeland. Our modern understanding of nationality would probably be as confusing to people hundreds of years ago as theirs is to us.
Yet another great video Bruce, I'm English, born in Ashington Northumberland, so disputed territory lol. I have been living in the Highlands for 48 of my 51 years, my wife is Scottish my bairns are Scottish and I consider mysef British. I feel we are all united on here because we all love history.
And you and any other British person in Scotland will remain British after independence because Britishness does not need a Westminster government. Those who are/identify as British will remain so after independence. Just as those who are/identify as Scottish are so before independence.
Isn’t Ashington the hometown of the great “Irish” hero, the legendary Jack Charlton.
@@davidpryle3935 yes very distant relations of mine on my Dads side. Mum was Newcastle Dad is Ashington.
@@michaelgallon675 👍
And proud nay doobt. Just let us go. Not yours to give. Naen to give. Ours to TAKE BACK
Cheers Bruce! Another fantastic video! William Wallace was Scottish because that's who he picked up a sword for and who he died for and that's all that really counts in the end.
Very well said. If I go back far enough (mediaeval) my ancestors were french, but once in Scotland, never left. Does that mean I'm not Scottish? Hud yer wheesht man
@@nylasharper1788 go back far enough were all africans.
I only discovered this channel today and I love it. I've binged about 3 hours of these so far. Thank you for making these.
Ah brilliant! Welcome on board
Great video. I am a Wallace, I love scottish history and your videos are so full of factual information. Keep up the good work
And I am a Fraser, you should read up on Sir Simon Fraser The Patriot, him and Sir William Wallace was freinds and bother in arms.
@@blacrow7 thank will have a look
Me too! My Wallace Family, maternal line, is from Ballymena, Northern Ireland via Scotland. Ulster Scots, (not American Hillbillies though Bruce Fummy 😅) My paternal line is from Belfast, my grandmother was born there. The Lowland Scots Plantation of Northern Ireland is an interesting topic of discussion. Now in America, we’re all trying to return to Scotland and Ulster. How ironic! I’m in Edinburgh again right now in fact and made another journey to Antrim last week. Always love to come HOME 😊🌳
@@kimberlywallace6148 nice one ,Kimberley, Limavady native, now an adopted son of Birkenhead, best wishes from the wirral peninsula,bounded by the mersey and the Dee and the Irish sea...geography and rhyme...E...
@@blacrow7 Nigel Tranters novels are worth a look...
So good! My father always said William Wallace was a Norman! As a Montgomery, he would. Also, he had said the Montgomery's( Robert Montgomery, grandchild of Roger de Montgomery but who was his father?)also went to Scotland as vassels of Walter Fitzalan to Renfrewshire after losing land and title for backing Robert Courthouse. Good grief! So confusing! Thank you for your knowledge and humor. It is a joy to listen to you!
Yes,there are so many theories.History at that time is a bit confused.Not well documented.
Bruce, I salute you for this. I really do. There's no doubt, you are on the right team 🏴
My grandson has heritage from his father, who has black skin, and from me, white skin Scottish American. I teach him that his connections to Scotland are just as important as his connections through his father. A person is NeveR defined by skin color, not ever.
True.....
How dare people try to insult you like that. I am Scottish my son's were born here in Australia and their father is Australian but to me and them they're Scottish Australians. Thanks to you Bruce I have been able to educate them with things about Scotland that I didn't know. THANK YOU 👍🏴🇳🇿
I'll be doing live shows in Oz in 2023
Unreal I hope you come to Sydney,you will love it here the Aussie's just love our accent👍💯🙋😊
Thank you for the subtitles! As someone with ADHD I use subtitles on everything as it increases my understanding of the content. Your voice in particular is a pleasure to listen to. 😊
My mother was born in Llanelli in 1923 and didn’t speak English until she was forced to speak it in school. She told me how the Breton onion sellers (not cheese, sir!) would speak Breton to the Welsh and the Welsh could understand them (and vice versa). It sounds a bit like the way Swedes and Norwegians communicate today.
Linguists say that Welsh and Breton are not mutually comprehensible. The infamous Welsh Not was imposed on Victorian schoolkids my their teachers, who were themselves... Welsh.
Those same Breton onion sellers used to come to Cornwall the languages are very similar a lot of British moved to Brittany forced out by the Anglo saxons
@@andrewjewell3142 Cornish died in the 18th century when Dolly Penteith died - the last person to speak only Cornish. The largest number to speak Cornish was 50,000 in the high Middle Ages. The brother of Gerald of Wales went to Cornwall and said he heard more people speaking Flemish (a type of Dutch) than Cornish. So called modern Cornish speakers are hobbyists. They are not connected to original Cornish speakers. The Johnny Onions spoke to English speakers. Cornwall was a founding county of England, as Alfred fought with Cornish soldiers against Guthrum.
@@Joanna-il2ur The native speakers are hobbyists aye? You must do more research as their are now children who have started to be brought up speaking cornish and English, diminishing cultures isn't a cool as you think it is
@@calumpatrick319 There are no native speakers of Cornish. It’s a dead language, like Manx. The UN thinks Cornish is long dead. Your name appears to be Irish anyway. It reminds me of one time in Dublin when a guide was asked by a Dutch delegate if she spoke Irish. ‘Sure, we have to learn it at school but nobody speaks it cos there no benefit.’ Go back to Synge in Connemara before WWI, when greeted a sailor in Irish and the man answered him in English. Through English he’d travel the world, worked in New York, the Grand Banks of Newfoundland and many other places. ‘And if I just spoke Irish, where would I have been? Right here!’
Loving your videos. I am not surprised to hear that you were a teacher, you are a natural. Being descended from Robert the Bruce ( I even look like him), I already knew he was Norman so it’s fascinating to learn more details about our real history. Thank you.
Great video about William Wallace. I think that he was not as rustic as portraid in Braveheart. He went to school with monks so Latin was a must. Norman French was spoken by the ruling Edward I and his gang. As they occupied Scotland at that time it stands to reason that Wallace spoke French too. Plus gaelic of course. The connection with Fitzalan I didn't know. Really very well explained all those intricate connections. Thanks for another grand video.
This is fascinating. Thanks, Bruce. The scenery is tremendous, too.
I am a descendent of William’s brother, John, and I’m finding this video quite fascinating! Thanks for the time and research you put in; you’ve got a new subscriber in me!
Just found out I am too nice to meet you long lost cousin
I see you, dear cousin! Welcome!
Me to
Same
You should make the snippet about 'Britain, Brittany, the Britons and Bretons' into a short, Bruce, I reckon it's got the qualities to shine like a corona, if you get my drift.
Saor Alba Gu Brath
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It's Unbelievable to me how anybody could be Racist here, Wtf.. Jealousy of talent and natural Charisma I reckon.....Fuck em Bruce ,! We love your stuff,any fool can see that you are ...100% Ahh reet 👌🙂
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Aye min, yer "Buchan" wis uncanny......Onywy Ye'r richt aboot actions spickin louder nir werds (I paraphrase)... Scottish is as Scottish does, as far as I'm concerned.
Excellently done Bruce. Loved the punchline at the end.
Your videos are such a great combination of witty comedy, fascinating history and wholesome goodness. I don't watch as much as I used to, but I am never disappointed anytime I see your content. Thank you for doing what you do ✊
Loved this, had to watch it twice to get my head around it. My Dad is Welsh, my Mum was Scots and I'm born in England and live on Lewis in the Outer Hebrides. I class myself as... Me ya barm pot lol. I work with a Hebridean and a Glaswegian and I have to translate! 🤣 Get back up here soon big yin, I missed you last time. 🏴🏝️💙
Another really good one from Bruce. He concludes that Wallace was Scottish because of what he did in the Wars of Independence. This is the perennial confusion of modern Scots in our understanding of ourselves. The whole concept of political and national identity was just different then from what it is now. Wallace supported the Scottish crown? Yes, and he supported the Balliol dynasty, not the Bruce one. Andrew Murray the leader at Stirling Bridge was also a Balliol man, from the north-east....lands which Bruce later put to the sword. This was not about 'Scotland', was about the dynastic struggles and power-proffering for the Scottish crown and kingdom, by a feudal elite in a feudal, regional society build by fealty. The abstract things we call nations come much later. It was a feudal, not the 'national' order that some folks are obsessed with today. These dynasties and their oligarchic lords and knights, who owed them military service, ruled speaking Anglo-Norman (the default language of the aristocracy, like Wallace) but also Old Welsh (Britonic), Inglis (which became Scots), English, Gaelic and Norse, as Bruce nicely exemplified in the video. The meaning of this period is that it is one of a series of typically civil-war like episodes (others of which we conveniently forget) that helped develop what was to become a pan-Scottish identity. They do not have any lessons for the modern day Nationalist other than romantic blind nostalgia, but blind nostalgia is I admit, a strong motivator. The Unionist point is that those days of dynastic struggle under the classic rules of Norman military behaviour were less than a national cause, they were a feudal war for power, dressed in the complex colours of shifting adopted feudal and regional identites. There were, as Bruce describes many 'British' dimensions: David the First's was a very 'British' story, Wallace's Britonic origins (or adopted origins), Bruce's strong land holding links in the south if England etc. etc. One more thing . One well-known Scottish historian of the Wars of Independence, told me about a primary document which has an outlaw called Wallace helping the English soldiers of Edward 1's occupation by robbing and slaying. It could be the same Wallace. Maybe not, but really all Wallace did was throw his lot in with the Balliols, the rightful Kings of Scotland by feudal convention, which was primarily a politically astute move in the feudal order of things for an ambitious second son, join Andrew Murray at Stirling Bridge, won, and then, with Murry dead, was left out to dry by Bruce and most others of the feudal establishment, to then be made an example of by Edward. One interpretation is that Edward made a meal of Wallace to deflect blame from his Scottish peers so he could woe them further to his plans to dominate the Scottish throne. Also that Wallace was used by the Scottish feudal establishment as a 'fall-guy' for hedging their bets on what to do with Edward. They might or might not have run with Edward, many did. To say Wallace was fighting some abstract cause of national freedom is just bollocks, there was no such abstract concept then. It's even bigger bollocks to fantasise that he was fighting some abstract personal freedom for Scots...folks, that came with the Reformation and the Enlightenment, not Wallace, and least of all Bruce who was a feudal oligarch. The Scotland we know came later. Anyone who is really concerned with our national integrity should say bollocks to Braveheart and to Blind Harry's fiction. PS. Sorry for all the "bollocks", so to speak! :-)
People prefer to brush over the fact that Bruce (the King, not the presenter) killed more "Scottish" people than any King of England ever did. And that he was quite willing to help Edward overthrow Balliol and expected to be given the crown as a reward. A cunning, ruthless and resourceful man he was, but it's a stretch to say he did it all for Scotland.
A'reyt Bruce. Ignoring those who say Welsh means weird, this reminded me of my cousins moving north of the border and getting Scottish accents. They did not suddenly stop supporting Yorkshire. Nor would my friend who has James Stewart as his first two names. We were a bit suspicious of the cousins who went over to the dark side by moving near Burnley though.
As my friend James might say, "Whatever cap fits, Alan".
Good stuff: I particularly liked the observation about feudalism and kinship. It's always going to be a struggle in understanding ancient or medieval politics because so many of the ideas and concepts we assume today didn't exist or work the same in the past, and that can make their actions and motivations a bit opaque. Obviously history is a super political subject ("Who controls the past, controls the future, etc") and it's more or less unavoidable that people will try to use it to justify their positions in the present political landscape; but it is still crucial that people understand that current politics can't just be projected back into the past without being misleading. The truth is always messy and complicated and the situation is always evolving. If we're going to make any sense of the world, we need all the complexity and nuance we can handle. You're doing good work here man! ;-)
Perfect!
Turned on subtitles after you had mentioned it Bruce (Dundonian here, so nae bather), and apparently Wallace spoke 'garlic' 😂
Smelly git😂
Sounds like you've been in the Gilmore building of Glasgow University in the early 1990s where a notable bit of graffiti matched your comment
@@neiloflongbeck5705 funnily I haven't, but what a coincidence. It seems there's no room in the lexicon for Gaelic, but room for garlic.
@@paulvinova just like gullible.
Bruce are you suggesting that Hollywood got historical fact wrong? I'm shocked (read with much sarcasm)
Oh no, no, no
That's it...back into the dressing up box with the wig and the woad....
God, you've got it down to a science. You're absolutely right, he had to be from Brittony. He was the man in the middle for the Norman hierarchy.
Loved this one. Well done.
I detest all sorts of national, especially Scottish Nationalism (as it impacts my life). I agree that Wallace was mainly Scottish - even though a few generations back his family were not. Wallace certainly thought he was Scottish! The point I want to make is 'What is Scottish?' My family moved to Scotland in 1971 (father's job move). My siblings and I are about 8.25% Scottish. I married a 100% Scottish woman and so my 3 boys (born in England) are 54.125% Scottish genetically. My sister stayed in Scotland and married an 100% Englishman who had lived in Scotland for 30+ years. They have had 3 boys. All were born in Scotland, speak with a Scottish accent - they even have red hair! But are 4.125% Scottish genetically. Who is the most Scottish? My boys or my sister's. That is why I hate nationalism - especially Scottish Nationalism . Judging from conversations with my SNP counsellor brother in law - he would say none of them are Scottish!
After doing architectural photography of Scottish historic buildings I started to research Wallace and being based in Ayrshire came across Elerlslie outside Kilmarnock on ancient maps funnily not far from where I stay (Perceton) and discovered as time went on that it was getting complicated with so many contradictions from the run of the mill information out there. After six months and upsetting the people from various historical groups I’ve just left it alone and come to the conclusion that he was a complicated man and most of the info out there is poetic license (being kind) I was lucky to have been given copies of ancient maps and documents ancient seals from France which helped 😅
Nice to see the mighty Rangers get a (tongue in cheek) mention!
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Bruce, I'm a recent subscriber and enjoying your videos thoroughly. I am a Texan, descended from Scot ancestors who came to Pennsylvania from Scotland. Your DNA discussions are most interesting to me, as I have been studying my genetic roots with DNA. Most DNA discussions are related to autosomal DNA, such as the tests you and your family recently, estimate percentages of origin/ethnicity. These are just estimates, based upon self reporting of previous testers. That is why you see the same person getting different results when submitting tests with more than one testing company. One thing I might suggest, is to do a Y-DNA test to research your male line. Since you know your paternal line is from Ghana, you will almost certainly find your Y-DNA haplogroup is E, as is mine, which is considered sub-Saharan African. My male line goes back to Egypt, and came up through Italy, NE France, and then to Scotland. My Ramsay surname appears to have been fairly continuous back to the 12th century with Simundus de Ramseia, and possibly even earlier. The only testing company I know of doing Y-DNA is Family Tree DNA. Your paternal line might be another interesting video topic. How did E haplogroups get to Scotland, when most are R or I?
Woe! so interesting. Gordon Ramsay. Interesting. Wonder if the connection is to the Ramsays.
Ramsays of Egypt*
@@Unanswerable - Yes, E-V22 haplogroup. My son is chef, like Gordon. We have a DNA match from Canada named Graham Gordon Ramsay.
E is Caucasian in origin. It was brought into North Africa , and mixed into the Bantu population from the West(sub Saharan),via Caucasians.
Edit:Adolf was E as was Einstein. E entered into Europe with its Caucasians migrating out of the Middle East and into Europe.
Interesting enough, the 18th dynasty was Haplo R.
The Normans were Norse-Men - Vikings
They also were the Templar Knights -
Who eventually lost their efficient banking system to Rome /Vatican and fled to Portugal and Scotland
Templar knights fought alongside the Scots at Bannockburn .
Also this is where Scottish rite Freemasonry began .
Dearest Bruce; I have learned a whole lot of knowledge from you about "all things Scot" and appreciate it very much here in America. I haven't been taught your language even though my ancestors were from Aberdeen... Would you please translate the words that you say at the end of your stories into English so I know what you are saying. No matter what it is, it sounds beautiful. Thank you in advance. 🏴🇺🇲♥️☮️
Hey Jenny, I always send folk to the shop where there's a translation on the product page. That way, even if they don't buy, they may come back ua-cam.com/channels/mSwBBdhuJ39zaA437NaeXA.htmlstore
Thank you very much for your prompt response to my query. I went to the link and found my answer... I watched some of the other stories as well. In time I will watch the rest of them, learning from each one. The piper, John McGregor story gave me the goosebumps and now I know a bit more about you and how you got into making UA-cam stories. I wish you a good day as well. Be Blessed Sir. Sincerely from New Mexico with love, of knowledge, seize the day. J. L. Skeen
Love your videos but the one about Rangers was highly offensive and wrong you actually find the Glasgow City Council had gave Rangers a civil reception 450 year contribution to the city you're also find the Guinness World Book of Records recognise Rangers for the most successful team in the world with 56 titles and you will also find the actual football governing body did not strip away Rangers history it is the same just a different company now own the club but it is exact same this is Mrs information put out there by very jealous fans of opposite team anyway stick to our William Wallace stuff and get as much information as you can on him I would be highly interested if he was actually born in Scotland I know he does come from the same place my clan was up Renfrewshire he actually had his teachings in Paisley Abbey
If you’re offended it's because you and your Celtic pals take your football team far too seriously
I'm Indigenous Canadian and sometimes we are made to feel like foreigners in the land of our ancestors. We are Turtle Island.
From my Moms stories I also carry Scottish and Italian blood in my veins. All and all, we're all humans throughout Mother Earth. Remember to be gentle with your words.
The Normans - from Normandy in Northern France - were originally Vikings. They adopted the French language.
Great video thanks again Bruce I always look forward to your videos.
I find it strange why some people watch a video like this and bring heritage or race into it.
It's a History channel so why does heritage matter
Here's my take on it the way I see it if you are born in Scotland or live in Scotland for over 3 years I would in my own opinion consider you a fellow scot regardless of where you came from or who you ancestors were.
In the End every single person on this planet is a mixture of all different DNA and ancestors I'm from ayrshire but I have irish ancestors and German does that mean I'm not Scottish 🤔 if Bruce isn't Scottish then nobody really is because everyone has ancestors from somewhere else.
i agree wholeheartedly , my ancestors were Norman hence the surname but im Aberdonian and my family has been around Aberdeen for hundreds of years
@@bgray1009 dunno where to start....except to say, Bruce has created a great Caledonian community
Wallace name originates from the Norman for Welshman. So it’s highly likely he was descended from those strat clut. And he wasn’t a peasant, he was no doubt of high birth. Probably descended from the first and rightfully rulers of what would become Scotland. Those now known as the Welsh.
Great video... I'm Scottish but have a northern Irish family line as well as from the Stewarts on my mother's side, though my grampa would say its more the tinker Stewarts with a chuckle 😃 people get too hung up on nationalism and religion it hurts my teeth. Being brought up Presbyterian and marring a catholic, I'm sure it would turn some peoples stomachs but I enjoy being Scottish / British and just a good human being. Bruce, super enjoy your videos and only wish my history teacher was as inspiring. Please keep up your good work and thank you
Seconded
If we could magically go back and ask Wallace. Where you from what are you." Ayrshire"
Get me that TARDIS and I'll make the video😎
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Great idea we could create a new version of "You are There" {US TV from the fifties} We could use the "WayBack Machine"
@@ScotlandHistoryTours so long as the Daleks are not there...I would have to dive behind the sofa..those scary cocky knee accents....
Thank you for making such wonderful content! Making my way through your library of work, you have a gift and I appreciate your work.
Ah, thanks Dean
Why we dragging football into your videos? Even if it’s just you quickly slagging Rangers….again.
Biggest enemy of an independent Scotland don’t you know? 🙄
@Festering Smegma not sure the SNP are capable of balancing the books well enough for the EU to allow them in.
Great video as usual Bruce. I had a similar debate about the Bruce recently but I never knew Wallaces' life was so colourful too. Also I love it that you are outwardly "different" from what folk see as Scottish. It makes us all the more interesting as a nation and I always say it will annoy certain people as much as you love being who you are, to me you're more Scottish than some so-called proclaimed Scots, with the added luxury of Ghanain, which just makes you all the more special. (or the other way around, Ghanain Scot, it's your choice)
😜 Aye the dafties can keep shouting in the desert
@@ScotlandHistoryTours speaking of...I,ve been mistaken for a visiting Rabbi in Harvard yard, a long lost Iraqi relative, an Iranian exile , a Jordanian thought I have relatives in Jordan...basically..I,m going to check this out...a native of Limavady now an adopted son of Birkenhead...seemingly not...the plot thins....
I cannot ever comment on a political topic when it comes to Scotland...still trying to figure it out. I love your history videos. Labeling people is ignorant. I love that you mentioned that here. Wallace is Scottish...doesn't matter where his ancestors came from. It doesn't matter that my ancestors were from England, Scotland and Ireland...I am American.
An adopted son of Birkenhead...
We go all the way back to the Volcae, and the Cimmerians, it's a long continuous migration West.
Good stuff, keep it up. Anglo-Scots history is complex - and fascinating.
I just focus on the Scots😜😜
Surely, who you are is where you choose to be? I may have been born in Shrewsbury, Shropshire but I regard myself as from Oswestry, Shropshire. But my my Mother, going back approx. 5 generations is Welsh. Immediately prior to that, Scottish (Jeanette MacDonald) and Irish (Seamus O'Keefe). So as far as I am concerned, I am English by birth but Welsh, Scottish and Irish by design.
Great video, as always.
I love how you simplify such a complicated topic! You need to tell your viewers that Wallace never wore a kilt!
They'd hopefully work that out from my kilt video😜
@@ScotlandHistoryTours love your videos mate - it gets more complicated the further back you go! Weren’t the invading Normans actually Vikings?
He was an Australian, obviously.
Hey Bruce!! That was beautifully and eloquently explained - for both William's and your ancestries!! 😊👍
Braveheart wasn’t documentary as you stated in this video, it was Hollywood movie with with lots of add on story line to make this more appealing to wider audience, so most of this movie was just made up fiction
I think we are all some form of mongrel historically. I like to think that I am pure Welsh, but is almost certainly not the case if you dig enough. Absolutely loving the thought provoking discussion and presentation. Also enjoying educating others. Keep evangelising. Excellent channel.
Thanks Mark
Everyone is a mongrel, not a single people on the planet married within its own group since Homo Sapiens existed. The sooner people quit with "purity" bs the better.
By mongrel do you mean genetically identical North Western Europeans?
Mixed. Modern NW Europeans are mixed, as are Africans, East Asians and everyone else on the planet, and that's neither good nor bad, it is what it is.
As my dad would say he said we're like fleas we're everywhere, I still consider myself a multi grain saltine.
The way a scotsman says William Wallace is almost poetic
Just to complicate things, Fitzalan would indicate shared Breton/Alan descent. The Alans were a tribe from the Causcaus (modern day Ossetia) that got caught up in the mass movement of peoples around the end of the Western Roman Empire & who eventually settled around the Loire valley next to Britanny.
History is definitely complex to say the least. I love your videos. I watched the Hollywood movie that took liberties on Wallace. It strikes an interest in that era but do I ever think a movie is actually factual? No I don't. I'm digging into my own history that is in Aberdeen and Dunnottar Castle I discovered that Wallace didn't exactly like my clan 🤣🤣🤣😇. So if someone's really Scottish or not doesn't have a lot to do with anything. I'm always interested in present-day people thinking people 700 years ago didn't speak more than one language! You're surrounded by clans, countries all that have their own way of doing things and their own communication styles and dialects or languages why wouldn't if you spoken in French just right across but channel right! However I will never tire of learning more about history.
It's werid to me that I'm Australia but Im related to Robert the Bruce I'm Lyden Bruce
I know you must know that not all Rangers supporters are pro-Unionist.
😜 Still worth a joke though
As per everything in politics (and history), people like to oversimplify and to put people into categories. Reality is more complicated….
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To be fair Bruce was drawing a correlation between the Union flag in the guys picture and the Rangers support. Something Rangers do with their kit colours alone!
On a personal level I've met many lovely Rangers fans for independence on marches and I imagine Bruce is aware of them too.
Mind you, they are a small minority!
Please stop going Ibrox then we don’t want or need you.
How you can support a political party that wants to damage the football club you claim to support.
Another great video. Identity and power in the medieval period lay with aristocratic families and in the connections between families and not in notions of nationhood. Almost all the powerful families of the time could prove genealogical connections with almost all of the others, whether they came from Wales, Scotland, England or France. The relative strength and distribution of those connections were a measure of any one family's political strength. The web of a man like Wallace's genealogical connections is inevitably complex and can seem contradictory when viewed from a modern perspective, particularly if you look at it through the lens of nationalism.
Totally love your videos. I always thought he came from Cumbria, England, even though Wallace means Welshman, as you stated. The fact that his family might be initially Breton, through his fathers line, I did not know. Fascinating stuff.
It may be that the Welsh were called foreigners, because unlike the 'English', they liked Rome. Romes impact on Wales and Cornwall was extremely slight, except for trade in lead and tin (also silver and gold). Wales and Cornwall greatly benefited from their arrangement with Rome.
The view that England was invaded by Anglo-Saxons has been overstated. Germanics came before, during, and after the Romans left. When Caesar attempted to invade Britain in 55BC, it was because he had just beaten the Belgae, and he had heard the Belgae had successfully invaded Britain. He thought it would be a walk over. An ecological disaster saw thousands of Frisians rehouse from the low countries to 'England' c200AD.
The Romans never call their defenses after the invaders. They call them after an individual, eg Hadrian, or after the area they are protecting. The Saxon Shore Forts were first constructed in the early 200's, well before Germanic pirates. They are named after the area they protected, just like the other provinces bordering the Channel.
The English are Mongrels, and I'm fortunately more mongrel than most.
You are a diamond. Keep up the excellent work. Everyone should have 2 passports and a single identity. Love that comment.
You are right about the Anglo-Saxon invasion myth, there is no real evidence for an invasion, well apart from what happened in modern-day Kent a long time after the Romans had left, the Kits Coty massacre was probably more of a power struggle however, elsewhere what there is evidence of is two communities living it seems peacefully together, for example in Cambridgeshire they have found archaeological evidence from both Saxon and Brythonic villages both near each other and from the same time period, no evidence of destruction from that time. The Anglo-Saxon invasion myth was put about by the Victorians to bolster Queen Victorias Germanic roots, also these people were behind the Boudicca statue in London which they called Boudicea (they couldn't even get that right!). But then as you have pointed out groups like the Belgae and Parisi were really Gauls.
@Reinhard Absolute rubbish! DNA is extremely misleading unless you are digging up masses (10,000s) of 'Anglo-Saxon graves. The Romans were here for 400 years and left no DNA trace in the population, however, Brittania was garrisoned by Batvian Auxillary legions and their families, who were originally from the area around present-day Eindhoven. Then you have the fact that during the Dark ages Northumbria and Anglia were part of Danelaw. People who live in Somerset around the Wookey Hole area have DNA very similar to the Wookey Hole man, they are the oldest human remains, but way older than the Gaulish invaders, which people want to call Celtic
@Reinhard Yes. Stories we grew up with- well, turned out to be true and not myths.
How Scottish he was? Well, more so than Mel Gibson, anyway...
Another brilliant video Bruce. I always enjoy your presentation, mixed with history, humor, subtle sarcasm 😉 and witty comments. Looking forward to the next one. I’m an American and in Scotland as we speak. I’ve returned many times since my teenage years and now appreciative the history so much more. Went to Arbroath for the first time, thanks to you and your video. YES 👍
Afternoon Bruce.
I agree that self identification in Wallace's time would have been more complicated than an individual's mere nationality. Characters heritage crops up too much in texts for it not to be the case (eg Robert Bruce being Celtic and Norman).
The gene pool of Medieval Europe was a very mixed bag. Germanic tribes, Roman, Norse, Celtic, Saxon, Norman conquered, settled and were conquered over the centuries with Scots and English resulting (gross oversimplification I know but it's only the UA-cam comments section) and the mixing continues as more cultures cross-pollinate (that's what the kids are calling it these days) 😂
There's a nice woman who comes into my work and she had just befriended an Iranian girl who's just moved here. Naturally the conversation got to Scottish History and the woman was telling the newcomer to watch Brave heart. I suggested ignoring Braveheart and watching Outlaw King instead 😂
Braveheart's done enough damage to the population's sense of historical accuracy as it is 😂
I think the Last Kingdom might be more accurate than Braveheart and that's about as fictional as Tolkien (albeit really entertaining) 🤣
Cheers 🍻
Brilliant thanks for this 👍
My pleasure!
Loved the rangers comment brilliant😂
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Fascinating! There is so much nuance in history that I think it is hard for average people to remember, so they look for shortcuts...thus the pass down of incomplete knowledge.
Thank you for explaining the naunce!
Of course
Those pesky Yoon bampots eh🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wish you were my kids teacher, mine too! Genuinely find you captivating, your enthusiasm for history mixed with good humour is first class sir, first class.
Wow, thank you!
Englishman here. My family have Lived on the Thames since at least 1600’s as far as can be traced. I’m surrounded by people from all over. The ones who have the best claim to Englishness are those who fought for England, believed in the idea of a nation of the English speakers on this island. I see no reason why Wallace , who fits this mould completely, is anything other than a Scot.
Whoever he was is, he and always will be scottish ☺ love the video
isn't it funny (in a sad way) how many people are fixated on their racial ancestory, as if it identifies them as an individual. It wasn't until you said you had african ancestory that it even occured to me! That's when I went 'oh, yes, there are some visible clues for that!' Until that moment and throughout your other videos you have always been my Scottish history guy! I'm half Irish, half english, born in the Danelaw, where the Romans positioned a Spanish army back in the day, so only god knows what I am! I'm from the part of the world that holds more Neandertal DNA than has ever existed before, and that's another species! Thank FXXXk for the variety of our cultures and backgrounds, what an interesting world we live in!
My last name is Wallace, and I’m an American living in Tennessee. I discovered your channel today, this is the 3rd video I’ve watched. I find it very insightful, and I get your humor. I learned of “Braveheart” before Mel Gibson’s movie, and have been interested in the true history for over 30 years now. I really enjoyed this video, thank you for sharing this!
You sound American for sure, someone who claims to have learnt about Braveheart before the production film of Mad Mel the Ozzy expat of Yankville New York, yet still thinks the name of 'Braveheart' refers to Wallace instead of Robert I of Scots, says it all.
'True history' clearly isn't an inclination of yours evidently.
The learning process continues…
@@gdavew63 I,m learning all the time...my folk are all over the place...deported to the west Indies, Australia...keep learning...E...
No Caledonian left at this point? Fully wiped out by the gaels?
Thank you Brucie mate 🍻 How complex is our history? (Well, I say ours!? Its more yours than mine) Even after this fine video, I'm still baffled by this particular story. I'm not at all a fan of Gibbson and I'm glad to say, I've not been harmed by any of his films since the ones with Danny Glover. So, the film had no influence over my confusion. Happy days 😂
There was a tribe called "the Brittons" based in Lanarkshire.
Another great video. Your point about being both Scot and Ghanaian by birth/family lineage is something most Americans understand completely as everyone here has family ties to somewhere else and yet we are still Americans.
@UCSod4AI5j9iuuqQ-TEbtQQg Euro-centric assumption that does not take into account the evolving time frame of immigration to this Country. I am second generation. I grew up in th50/60's with Immigrants, 1st generation, 2cd generation etc. The English of your generation is a "evolution" as well. Hardly reconciled with "Olde English" n'est-ce pas?
What most Europeans do not understand about Americans is our long suffering nature towards Euro-centric generalities and prejudice.
Cheers
What most Americans often struggle to understand is that they are American by not only native nationality, but also of American heritage and American ethnicity, and yes, even American ancestry to a significant enough degree, as most Yanks have American parents, and your parents are your closest and most related ancestors (no other ancestor will be as closely related to you as your parents), then each generation further back you go, the genetic similarity diminishes, but regardless, it does not form ethnicity and does not carry nationality either. The proto-Yank Doodles (Columbo era 1492 Americans) have existed since the medieval ages as a distinct ethnic group within the Americas as home steaders and farmers - that's 115 years before the first British peoples came to the Americas to set up a group of 13 small coastal colonies on the Eastern shoreline for the purposes of establishing interests of international commerce and trade links - they would also trade with the Amerindian tribes of the Western frontier prior to the time of Tecumseh and General Brock.
Americans often don't understand the meanings of the words they use, Yanks like Noah Webster, whom created the early Americanised form of the English language, eventually went on to create a contradictory hodge podge mess of a language, as such you end up with people confusing 'race' and 'ethnicity' as interchangeable terms, and 'citizenry' (status) and 'nationality' (where one is natively born to, an unseverable motherland) being merged to mean the same thing when they are not. Such an affliction has resultantly harmed the modern American identity, many Yanks are now in a process of self-deracination with a characteristic proneness to highjacking foreign identities over their own, waxing lyrical about 'being related to foreign royalty', despite Yanks actually being the least royal people in reality, even warring against the Kingdoms of Scotland & England and the Principality of Wales in order to define and re-emphasise the distinct American ethnic Yank identity.
Many later Americans were also either common people who sought to improve their prospects where they could not get it where they were originally from - well off people and those of the upper class such as nobility, aristocracy and royalty etc generally didn't leave their homeland, and it was mostly the offspring of upper classes that survived in a time of higher mortality rates, so most people today from a certain nation will be related to royalty, aristocracy or nobility to some degree further back by the law of averages, Americans however are an exception, many later Americans also started as deported criminals who even though were of generally lower of IQ did eventually find success in America to some degree where they would have struggled elsewhere, all these things came to later define Americans especially.
All these things contributed to the Yanks as they are today as a distinct ethnic group forged by their own seperate national history that no other nation of peoples were forged by, including 'Manifest Destiny' and the Civil war of the 1860s following the 1815 'Treaty of Ghent' right after the 'War of 1812' which continued on from the initial American declaration of 1776.
@@plasticpaddy985 We have a saying here. "Baffle them with bullshit". Lots of words there, same outcome.
What most Europeans do not understand about Americans is our long suffering nature towards Euro-centric generalities and prejudice. There is no need to prove the point.
Cheers
@@slydermartin6008 Ah yes, this is quite a predictable and characteristic responce from an American, volume of text takes greater precedence for the Yank breed than the actual veracity of the words themselves, if you didn't know any better, you'd figure the average ethnic Yank greatly suffered from dyslexia at far higher proportions to other nationalities/ethnicities. You will remain ignorant as a breed as your inclinations do not extend to better your understanding based on the critiques but fair and valid assessments levelled at you as a distinct ethnicity of a distinct nation. The lack of intellectualism to properly assess and maintain a healthy degree of introspection for oneself not only merely as a collective, but as an individual also, is lost on the common Yank Doodle.
I too would be happy to have two passports a Scottish one and due to Irish ancestry 3 times removed an Irish passport. Pity I can’t prove it as I lack the documentation. At least then my European citizenship would not have been raped from me by those south of the wall. Of course I am a staunch Unionist right wing Tory. Long live Liz. Lol.
Have you ever heard of the Metis people in Canada? They were a society made from the scottish/french fur traders and native americans. They had this sash they wore for utility purposes and each family/clan had their own colors and patterns sorta reminded me of the highland clan kilts. Whats sad about them is it was made from a lot of scottish men leaving the highlands after the clearances but then years later that society would be cleared out by the british Canadian government and their culture in some areas have been permanently damaged and lost to time.
Of course. I mentioned them in my video about Lord Strathcona
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I didn't know him at all, he died a long time before I was born.
Bruce, love the videos; another great episode. And looking forward to seeing you hit the big screen when The Lost King hits the cinemas next weekend.👍🏻
Great story once again brucey boy n we diny need no feckin subtitles 👍🙌🍻
Hahaha loved that dig at the rangers 🍀
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@@ScotlandHistoryTours Keep up the great work mate absolutely smashing it
You’ve oot done yourself this time Bruce , when is the penny gona drop and folk are gona realise it’s less borders we need and not more!
Saying that what if you live in a minority that’s dominated by a backward thinking majority ( no trying to start any beef like 😂)
If there was no such thing as a border or a name to a country how could racism survive….. just a thought!
Brilliant video Bruce keep them coming 😉👍
I think racism will always be there. We're still cavemen
And the Bretons in Brittany were descendants of people from Cornwall who fled the Saxons
Great analogy of Wallace. I always thought he was a Britton of Strathclyde as you mentioned but didn't realize the Breton connection. Very interesting. 👍
Gotta admit that I sometimes listen to this channel, not for the information, but just to hear the accent. lol
Most of my lineage is from Italy, but my grandmother's (on my mother's side) maiden name was Wallace. So, I do claim just a skosh of Scottish heritage.
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I look at at people like this we are who we are , I'm from the States and am as mixed as they come ,I have a Welsh grandfather and a German grandmother from my father and Scottish grandfather and Irish grandmother from my mother alongside some French and Native American so aren't we the same no matter are skin shade we are from were the people we come from , say you can't be this because you look like that is just plain dumb, OK I'll get off my soap bow now but get video as always brother keep us thinking 🌍🌎🌏🤔🤔
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A very informative video, thanks. 👍
I class myself as Northumbrian English adopted Scottish my family tree goes on way back can be traced to early Scottish Royal family McAlpin but it is way back, my name Stobbart is Northumbrian early Northumbrian language for oxenfarmer, if most people in the UK traced their family history back five generations it would be surprised by what they would find we are all completely mixed names in my family, Norman, Carr, Croft, Lowden, Hopper, Morgan, Walton, and Stobbart covering all corners of the UK, I doubt they would be any purely Scottish people left or purely any of the UK countries we are all mixed
A very interesting thing about the Wallace clan is that the large percentage of its males are of a very very rare Y haplogroup called I2c1a (not I2a which is roughly 10% of modern Scotland and clustered in the lowlands and Ulster). It’s an ancient DNA signature not found in Brittany or Normandy, which suggests Wallace was indeed a descendant of the original Neolithic peoples of the Isles, part of the later Brythonic peoples and eventually Strathclyde.