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If Nikon had done this in 2014 I'd be shooting Nikon again. But they didn't, so I bought an X-T1 and nothing will pry my Fuji cameras away from me now. If I had an abondance of $$$ I might buy the Nikon for nostalgic purposes, but they didn't quite get there in time for me. This doesn't explain why several other digital camera manufacturers make ugly cameras, the there's not doubt the new Nikon is interesting, now, and how/what will happen with future releases.
Fuji and Nikon user here. A big win for Nikon and Manual focus. The ZF has subject/face/eye detection in manual focus w/ direct punch in magnification. Breathes new life into my old Nikon glass and provides a better way to MF(on people) than focus peaking.
This is interesting. Don't know how this detection works, anyway also with fuji you have a direct punch in magnification with Voigt lenses for example. I hate mf by wire so I use in mf only real mf lenses.
They did a great job with this body, other than battery life and the weird card setup. To go all in on the retro thing, though, they really need a new line of lenses for these. The Nikon Z lenses are huge and ugly. A series of small ones like the 40 would be great in a 28 and 85…
I was a photographer for major magazines for a long time. And a Nikon photographer. Of course. At some point in the digital age I had a D7100 in my hand and, with great skepticism, took some serious photographs with it. The performance of the APSC format completely convinced me. When other manufacturers added IBIS to this format, I didn't want anything else. The lower weight and more manageable dimensions of the lenses were a huge relief. And the quality is terrific. On this point, I don't understand Nikon for not seeing and expanding these opportunities.
As a long-term Fuji user - and I use them because as an 'oldie' I find the dials etc are more relateable to my length of experience than front and rear rotating wheels - I am afraid this camera could make me very disloyal. I love Fuji glass but as a former Nikon shooter (film days) I love even more the Nikon lens ecosphere, especially some of the old manual AI glass. You are spot on about the decision point for Fuji users being around the X-T5. This camera is very disruptive to the Fuji world, imho.
The new Nikon Z glass is simply amazing. Their 1.8 S lineup (24mm, 35mm, 50mm, and 85mm) for $400-600 and the optics are PHENOMENAL. Nothing that Canon or Sony have can compare to the price:performance ratio of Nikon glass.
@@truthkeeperfilmsagree with u, the quality of Nikon lens blow my mind. Microcontrast, sharpness, contrast, ... all better than Fuji-Canon_ Sony lens at the same even the higher price
@@dai9775 - Exactly. Look at Sonys 1.8 glass, it’s cheap and the optics are pathetic. If you want better glass, you have to jump to the GM glass. Nikons 1.8 S Primes give you GM quality at $500-$700 mint condition used.
I'm a Nikon shooter, I own the Zfc, before I had the X100T and sold it. The battery life is much longer than what is stated officially, so I would not worry. I have the black Zfc and will get the Zf as well. This camera is better than any Fuji X camera on the market, you can't compare it. And I have so many old AI-lenses, it's just a joy to see that I can now use them without crop.
Although I’m sure Nikon was well aware of the competitive factor re: Fuji cameras, let’s not forget that this is not Nikon’s first venture into the retro styling world. They released the Nikon df almost 10 years ago so I don’t think it was a strategic decision to go after Fuji but perhaps an additional motivation.
The Df was nice, but also a failure. It had a retro front and top plate, but the backside looked like a similar Nikon DSLR, and it was back then uber-expensive into 2013. Furtherway, it used the 16 MP D4 Sensor, whileas using at the same time the 39 Point D7000 (DX) AF System - into short, it was a mish-mash product, uncompleted...*but* it could use Nikon AF-D lenses, and focus them with AF, unlike the Zf, simply because there's no FTZ III adapter with screwdrive BiM, which could use those old lenses with AF onto *any* Z-Mount body...one can only focus manually...which sucks.
Only Hipsters and Defluencers! I shoot with that gear since almost 4 decades, when it was current, not "retro" or -vintage, back into its heyday.@@osaprakoso
I have worked with Nikon cameras for many years and I am still convinced by the products, the menu navigation and the quality of the results. But then Fuji moved into my studio with an X-T3 to try out. . The quality of the results despite the APS-C sensor completely convinced me. The argument for changing was ultimately the size and weight of the system, especially the lenses, and the associated price structure. At Fuji there was also the beautiful retro look, the image preview of the mirrorless system, the film simulations and the generous and useful firmware updates. OK for sure, if I were still active in the Nikon system, I would definitely have ordered the ZF as a privat add-on for fun, but with a fully equipped Fuji system, this camera is completely unappealing to me. The only thing I really miss is the auto focus system, but it looks like Fuji has recognized the problem and is rapidly catching up. We will see what the friendly company with an eye on their users, will bring us in the future. P.S. Thank you for your great content, it's a pleasure to watch, keep it up. 🙏🥰👍🏼 Best wishes from Germany.
Played around with the ZF extensively. Absolutely amazing retro camera. Definitely a "fuji killer" if you can call it that. The biggest downfall is the total lack of lenses with an aperture ring. Since i shoot in aperture priority mode >90% of the time this makes the whole retro appeal a moot point unfortunately Works amazingly with old adapted lenses though. Especially zooming in to the detected eye for manual focus is amazing
@@BoorayPerry I don't use Fuji at all, I do however still use analog cameras alongside my digital one and like the user experience quite a lot, which is why having a "retro" style camera needs to have lenses with an aperture ring imho
I have both systems… and ZF hands down …selling all my apsc Fujifilm systems and not looking back… ZF will be in good company sat next to my Z6 and Z9…
I recently decided to go from my trusted Fuji system to try the Nikon Zf and I couldn’t be happier, the picture quality and the sensor performance is on another level, I can’t see myself spending $1700-$1800 on a Fuji APSC body when I can get a full frame for a little more and another benefit is the ability to use full frame in crop sensor mode
The black & white modus on the new Zf is actualy 3 different types of B&W, comparable with Acros, regular B&W and another type. Even on my Z50 there is a digital zoom possibility for the manual focussing. I moved it to the F2 button on the front of the camera and it works great.
I would like a silver version as well but after seeing Ricci's vid where he used sandpaper to reveal the brass underneath the black paint, I thought man, that'll be pretty sweet too.
Great comparison video! The B/W switch, with an EVF, would be a game changer if your natural light abruptly changes from 'good-for-color' to 'good-for-monochrome'.
100% right, composing is easier sometimes in color , sometimes in b&w depending n the light and the background. It’s the main reason I switched to xt1 when it came out
Will the Nikon lenses for this camera have an aperture ring? I know it’s only a small detail but, for me, it one of the factors that completes the experience of using this style of camera.
I am with you there. I didn't know how much I actually really liked the aperture ring on the lenses, but I wouldn't want it any other way. I keep hoping that these other companies would start to put them on their lenses also, but they just keep relying on the on body dials. To each their own I guess, but I love the aperture ring
I'll probably buy a Nikon ZF in coming months. I have several Fuji cameras (XT-3, XT-2 and X100V) and several Nikons (D800E, D500 and Z6II) and an assortment of Nikon and Fuji lenses. I'll keep the X100V and one of the XTs, I'll part with a Z 6II and eventually the D500 (based on what the expected Z6III will look like for wildlife and sports). The different colored ZF bodies don't appeal to me, so I'll stick with black. One of the most interesting things to me cosmetically is that the dials are made of brass, and as the paint wears off of the dials the brass comes through.
Booray, to answer your question at @19:37, I’m one of those people who actually really likes the new B&W mode. To me, it fits the whole ethos of the camera and I actually find SOOC monochrome images from my Z7ii to have really nice tones and gradations. Thus, I treat them like I treat my film sims from my X-T5.
Micro SD is not odd. Anybody who uses a GoPro is familiar with them. The only down side is they can be a little bit slower than the V90 SDXC cards, but not much. And if you get V60 SCXC cards they are the same speed. They use less power and take up much less space. Also, the R/W interface is smaller inside the camera. So it is a good choice.
I have had the experience of lugging around a bag full of full frame lenses, and found it no fun at all. Which is why I switched first to Micro Four Thirds, and now to Fuji. I must say that I also like the retro styling of the Fujis.
TL;DR the Nikon EN-EL15C battery is huge and will last at least 2 days for casual shooters. I might be a few months late, and this is just a mere observation about the Nikon battery. I have the Nikon Z5 which has the same battery as the Nikon ZF. Although the processor of my Z5 is older which might have contributed to the savings, I was able to produce a whooping 1,100 clicks (with 20% left at the end of day, 2 SD cards for RAW+Jpeg). Websites say 380 clicks as well for the Z5 but I think it's super conservative.
I do architectural photography and the Zf (after years of using Sony) has been an incredible performer! Battery life must be way more than officially stated because I have consistently gotten more than 500 pics (shooting in RAW) out of a single battery charge on standard battery mode. I tried Fujis for a year because I love the retro film design and controls, but got rid of them because they couldn’t perform that well in low light and the autofocus was so-so. The autofocus of the Zf is by far the best I’ve ever used (shocking since it used to be the worst in the DSLR days), the colors are as good as Fuji, and way better than Sony. The dynamic range is insane, I could go on, but you get the point. I even picked up a crop sensor Zfc as a backup camera and it STILL outperforms the Fujis in low light.
Hi Booray Perry - I like your style of presentation and you seem to be reasonably unbiased, which is very appreciated. That said, there are some things you should be aware of: 1) the CIPA rating on the battery life is totally out of whack with reality. I easily shoot an entire wedding day with 2 Nikon ENEL-15C batteries on the Z6II (same battery as is in the Zf). I have no doubt that this battery will be fully sufficient for any and all professional use. 2) the reason for the micro SD card is simply for space savings - the choice was 1 card or 2 with the micro and I think it is clear that Nikon made the right choice. 3) The Nikon Zf does 4k 60 but with an APS-C crop - this is is de facto as good as the Fuji as the Fuji is an APS-C camera. 4) ISO performance is not only better on the Nikon due to its native range, but also the fact that full frame is much more competent in low light than APS-C - but more to the point, the Nikon Zf focuses to -10 EV at 1.2 - so call it -9EV at 1.6, or -8EV at 2.2 - this is really industry leading at this point and just as important as the ISO range etc. Ironically you said, "congratulations, you can now get a "Fuji Style" camera in Full Frame", and I get what you are trying to say, but I think you forget that there were no Fuji cameras back in the film days - besides disposables and later point and shoots - literally the so called "Fuji Style" camera is modeled after the old Nikons with perhaps the Canon AE-1 thrown in. So, Nikon is NOT imitating Fuji - to the contrary Fuji is and has always imitated Nikon - Nikon is now taking its rightful place in producing a camera based on the designs that they created in the first place. And to point 1 above, I assure you that the battery is sufficient for professional work. I would say that the ergonomics of the grip are lacking for pro work, but that does not seem to be something that bothers you as this is clearly the case with Fuji cameras as they have no grip to speak of either - I am sure in both cases there are third party options - for the Nikon we already know that Small Rig has designed a grip specifically for the Nikon Zf. Finally, you speak of lens selection. You should know that Nikon is again at the forefront of optical design in the inustry. Simply put, the Z S line lenses are second to none in the market. They have a line of 1.8 S primes that are literally professional grad 1.8's - not the 1/8's of old but top of class IQ, build quality, aberration control and focus breathing corrected. In short, they are the best body of 1.8 primes on the market. Nikons faster glass is also spectacular and better than the competition. So, from a pro standpoint, especially for events/weddings - what is most important? 1) ergonomics - we must hold the camera all day long - this is where the Nikon Zf falls down a bit but no more so than the Fuji's which are equally uncomfortable to hold, 2) low light performance - no comparison - The Nikon is full frame and focus in much darker situations, 3) lenses - no comparison - for anyone that has used the new S line glass from Nikon - it is better than (and at its worst as good as) any lenses from any other manufacturer., 4) battery life - yes the CIPA rating is low, and always seems to be an under estimate especially when it comes to Nikon, but I can assure you that the ENEL-15C battery is sufficient for any professional event work - 2 batteries will carry the day - 3 at the most - this is not really different than what you need with the Fuji. Finally, I always struggle to undertand how anyone would choose APS-C for pro use. I am not saying that you cannot get good images with APS-C as I know one can and I have myself, but the inherent disadvantages in low light and subject isolation just make me scratch my head as to why this would be a first choice - it is the reason that I never invested in Fuji gear to be honest. If it is just about size and weight, I suppose that was a reason in the past, but the Zf is not that big of a camera (neither is the Z6/7 form factor). Anyway, I am not dumping on Fuji - even if it appears that I am. I like their aesthetics and I know several colleagues that swear by their color profiles. As a RAW shooter, I guess I just don't see this as that much of an advantage as RAW files (especially Nikon NEF files that are among the best RAW files out there) can be made to look any way with editing - including just like any Fuji file - there are literally presets out there than imitate the Fuji film profiles for non-Fuji images. I have gone on for too long, but wanted to be sure that some of the salient facts you missed were addressed. That said, nice video and presentation! -PD
I think you gave a very fair review considering you are clearly in the Fuji "Space" as you put it. I've been using Nikon sine the 90's. I get your issue with the battery but for hobbyists like myself, I've never taken even 300 pictures in one day so getting back to a hotel/cabin/camper/home and putting the battery back on the changer or, with the Nikon Zf, just plug in the USBC cable and you're ready for the next day's fun. Thank you for your time and what you do for your viewers!
Depends. Nikon has the full frame body and Fuji has the lenses. So it depends what you prioritize. If you want an all manual feel, compact camera, and small lenses, go Fuji XT. If you want more of an automated mirrorless full frame with larger AF lenses then get the Nikon. For the Nikon to work 100% as a retro manual camera they would have to release a lineup of small, compact, manual, vintage Nikkor lenses for the new mount (yes with a real aperture ring). The colors don’t matter because anyone with any taste and sense will get black. As far as the sensor. Check how the Fuji does over 3200ISO and how the Zf handles it. IMO, probably the full frame 24MP sensor will handle high ISO noise a lot better than a small sensor with a lot of megapixels (that most people buying these things don’t really need). Video LCD’s on cameras for photography don’t really work. That’s why Fuji users prefer the tilt screen not a video screen. The Zf should have no video. It should have a tilt screen only and a lineup of real manual lenses to go with it. And come in black leather only in black or silver finish. It should also have a very minimal menu set. It shouldn’t have many options. Only the things needed to make photographs. And that’s it. The simpler and less features the better.
You could say that I love you about a lot of features,whenwhen it regards to black and white switch ability, but not having to go to the menus is excellent
When I was younger all I wanted was a Nikon because back then, that was the camera to have... Having used, Canon, Sony and now recently Fujifilm X-T4, I don't see a single reason I'd want the ZF. I specifically ran away from the extreme cost that is fullframe. I'm loving the Fujifilm colors, even more the sims I can mess around with when I don't need to edit every single phot I take. I honestly don't see myself leaving fuji anytime soon, I'm absolutely in love with this gear.
I don’t really see it as a Fuji Killer. It doesn’t temp me the way the X-T2 did back in the day. I know Nikon full frame shooters that also shoot Fuji. These are the people I see buying this camera. I have no interest in this camera.
The Zf is cool but way too heavy compared to the X-T5 specially if you add the grip. If the Zf was 650grm with a grip already molded in the body then I would have considered it
As a long time Fuji User and FM2/FA Hobbyist here, the Nikon Zf got me excited like no other camera in a while. Being full frame and having Z6III* specs in that retro form factor is compelling although I don't need most of it. For me, handling and shooting experience is more important than frames per second and fast continuous auto focus. And in that respect, I stay hesitant if Nikon, who did not commit to this form factor for the whole lineup (Fuji also diversified here with X-H, X-S and GFX) really went the whole way with this one. Is the Zf just an Z6 in different clothes, i. e. same menu system, huge dependency on changing settings on the back display etc? I think this is a question only further hands on testing can answer. I have no experience with the Zfc. Maybe I could adapt to the full articulating screen since it also means, that I can hide the screen. Maybe I could adapt to PSAM again, although it means that sometimes confusingly the camera has different settings than the ones which are on the dials alone (but it's the same on the FA). But one thing I really miss right away: A dedicated aperture ring on the lenses to make the manual control of the exposure triangle complete. The little display doesn't do the trick for me. Nikon did not even put an aperture ring on the two retro styled lenses! Why, Nikon? And all the other Nikkor Z lenses with their modern form factor deliver great image quality but also maybe just draw the whole camera back to being a Z6 in disguise, not a functional retro camera. In respect of lenses I am also very curious on how good one can adapt legacy AIS glass on the Zf, functionally (focusing wide open, aperture read out) and in style (the adapter should not be the one thing not retro in between). Since - to be honest - I really would like to add a good digital FM2 body to my collection. One day. I am not in an hurry to get one now.
Definitely! Basic reason why, as an old Nikon addict and former film shooter, I currently own a Fuji. Lenses are the key. And if the matter is to shoot with 24-120 or 180-600, better wait for the Z6III.
@@VIDEOVISTAVIEW2020 "Z6" was just a shorthand of the modern design Nikon mirrorless cameras. I also called it an Z6III* right in the beginning, if that's more agreeable to you.
@@MockUPie I also own a Z6. The Zf is a class of it's own catering to retro afficionados and content creator vloggers. If nikon decides to continue with the Z6 iteration line up, the Z6III should be at least 30mp.
As a former Nikon guy, and now a Fuji guy, I’ll stick with Fuji. Although this looks like a great camera, I have invested too much in Fuji gear to make the switch back to Nikon. If Nikon released this camera 5 years ago, then it would be a different story and I would probably buy the Zf.
I picked up the X-T5 as my first foray into Fuji back in march and I’m wishing I’d known this was coming out before I bought it, because full frame, retro style & massive lens selection would probably have pulled me in over Fuji, since I don’t have a massive soft spot for the aperture rings
@@Northern00 What's missing for me in Zf is lack of A position on Iso and shutter speed dial. Additionally lack of lenses with aperture ring is disappointing.
So beautiful I immediately felt tempted... but I must say I don't use Fuji purely for nostalgic 'retro' reasons. In fact I use an XS10 as a daily camera - what hooked me was the simulations and the small, good, affordable lenses. With aperture rings! That, more than ISO and SS, is what I really want to control in an 'analogue' way. I don't want to buy into a body purely for nostalgic reasons. So the issue will be, do I need full frame? I didn't buy a full frame up to now, and not only because they aren't retro styled... I will have to wait and see if the full frame really does offer enough advantages over the latest Fuji sensor. But man, this Nikon is attractive...
Fuji shooter here...to me the biggest reason I love fuji, and have stayed with the fuji system for 5 plus years is their workflow. I am not spending hours editing photos, the film sims and recipes etc allow me to get a great shot right out of camera. For Nikon and the Zf to take my hard earned cash, I need to know that what I can get out of camera competes, or is better than the Fuji system. It is more than being nostalgic about an 80's film camera (still have them, and shoot them regularly, so I don't need a digital FM2) and its more than physical dials - even though I love that F stop display on the top. Your point about B&W mode I completely agree. I understand Leica has their monochrom cameras which are specifically B&W, but I don't know who 'needs' a B&W switch so quickly. On my Fuji, like you its mapped to a profile, and I press the q button, and go to my HP5 Sim and i am ready to go. It isn't as fast as a switch, but it isn't slow either.
That was also one of the things that made me switch to Fuji. I had the X100V and I noticed that so many times I wouldn't do anything to the file after the fact.
I am a Fuji shooter too... Have XH1 & xs20 ... But now I am considering to exchange my entire canon 7d kit for Nikon ZF. It is difficult to say which brand is better, how ever there are some creative features in Nikon which Fuji is not providing,, especially Raw file in double exposure mode. 2ndly yes for Nikon's low light performance is ofcourse better, exposure smoothing while shooting timelaps is there in Nikon. Ofcourse Fuji leads in film simulation, handling, etc. But the biggest advantage of Nikon z mount is that we can adapt Sony FE mount lenses with an adaptor... And there are plenty of 3rd party budget lens available for Sony FE mount
Odd that battery life would be the deal-killer. Nikon and Sony shooters have always carried three batteries to a wedding. They prefer the low light performance of the full frame and 24.5 MP is the sweet spot for low light performance and avoidance of diffraction at high apertures (and Nikon already has three 45.7 MP cameras). By the way, you misspoke and said the Fuji sensor is bigger, when you meant to say it has more megapixels. The micro SD card is being described as an internal memory like the Hasselblad and Leica's have. Most photographers will never remove it, just re-format it. It is there for backup or overflow, or if you forget your SD card.
The Japanese concept of Wabi sabi embraces the search for beauty in imperfection, that's why I bought a used Leica M240. It is the perfectly imperfect camera - No IBIS, autofocus, 10 bit internal, face recognition, etc; At 66 it feels like an old friend returning home.
If Nikon were to develop a full lineup of “retro” designed bodies, yeah, it would be a definite threat, and I might be tempted to give it a shot (no pun intended). At the moment, I am more than a bit disappointed in Fuji’s offerings as of late, PASM, no Battery Booster for the X-T5, still mediocre AF, etc...Now if this is a one-off camera, not it likely will not be a Fuji killer. I guess we will see upon release how it sells, I believe Nikon tried this “retro” thing with the Df a few years back, it was a flop. At the end day I am happy to see Nikon coming out with this, it might be the fire under Fuji’s a** needed to get off their duffs, get serious, and up their game
Nikon does have something similar to film simulations on its cameras. They call it "Picture Control" (accessed from the menu settings). It's not as fancy but serves a similar purpose. And you could easily make unique "film recipes" by moving the various sliders within each Picture Control option in the same way that's commonly done on Fuji cameras.
@@monstermiuneither is picture control. And with the Nikon you can download film simulation picture control profiles . Regardless, RAW is superior to jpegs that wannabe film
@@adriannasanchez468 It could never reach the fujifilm simulation level. The picture control is a basic color filter just like the drive mode inside all fujifilm camera.
@monstermiu I've looked into it playing around on my PC. You are spreading falsehoods. Picture control has more immersion settings wise than the simple tweaks you can do to the Fuji film Sims. FYI I shoot Fuji. I'm a bit tired of people making film Sims sound like the second coming. They are simply JPEG files with a LUT applied.
Why is no one talking about the 8000th SS limit on this camera. For Electronic Shutter as well!! It means no fast lenses in daytime without an ND filter. I'm far too used to super fast Electronic shutters that go super fast.
The new Nikon ZF is more comparable to the X-T4 than the X-T5. I own and use the original Nikon Df which is a digital way to use my old MF Nikkor lenses but also couples well with my AF-S Nikkors. The problem with this modern Nikon ZF as well as the previous Zfc is Nikon no longer makes lenses with aperture rings. I'm into the Fujifilm line because of their rendering of digital cameras that still have all the dials. I learned how to be a photographer using the old Nikon pro 35mm cameras which had manual controls. So, using the Fuji X-t series is very close to the way I learned photography. I use modern digital cameras that have PASM dials but I don't like them. Hense, my love for the Fuji X-T series.
I believe you can change the focus ring on the lenses to aperture in the settings. This would be good for using autofocus but if you are in manual focus, this would suck as you would not be able to focus.
I'm a Leica M shooter and the Zf might allow me to switch back to Nikon. I carry my Leica everywhere, including the grocery store and because I enjoy only the smallest lenses possible with a full-frame sensor Leica was really my only choice. I would feel good about carrying the Zf everywhere and because I generally use a 28mm lens, Nikon has me covered with either the small 28mm or the tiny 26mm! While the magic I feel when I hold my Leica is causing me to stall on this, the technologies in the Zf are impossible to resist, especially in this form-factor. On batteries, an inspiring camera is enough for me to forget about poor battery performance.
I own the black Zfc and the battery is way better than stated. The Zf has a bigger battery than the Zfc, so I expect even better performance. If you get the Zf, get also the 26 mm pancake. This lens is simply amazing and so small, you barely notice it. I'm also bringing my Zfc everywhere.
As a photo hobbyist, I am certainly excited about Nikon Zf and would buy it. However, if I were professional photographer, I would rather prefer to have something else for work, like Nikon Z7 II, Nikon Z8, Nikon Z9 or even Nikon D850. However, even in that case, Nikon Zf would be ideal fit for the personal off the work use.
I own Z6II and very happy with it ever since. It has everything I want it. I Don't Need to change every time a New Camera release. That's stupid! I Don't have the camera Syndrome think that every new camera is Better than Old ones. The Zf look nice like to my F3 but I won't go Crazy and Buy it like most will...
Not a fan of the micro SD, but it’s better than nothing. Also, I think Nikon does have a digital zoom. It should be called DX crop or DX zoom if I’m not mistaken. It’s been a while since I shot with Nikon.
I vote for Fuji on this comparison, I have the Z5 from Nikon and I am satisfied with everything it does and it has two SD cards and a great battery life paired with the 24-200 Z lens it does all.
I love the look of the Zf and would love to purchase it, but the cost of full frame is a real issue I think. I have loved my Nikons, but those lenses can get expensive. Big reason why I stay with aps-c or super old dslrs lol Great video Booray! Really enjoyed you on the fujilove podcast the other week when you guys were talking about the upcoming summit
@@frankfeng2701 100% they are. I was kind of meaning more of like the super zooms for wildlife, the 24-70 2.8. Which of course aren't necessities for an amateur but the crop sensor equivalents are way cheaper typically. But you are right about the 28 and 40. I had the 28 on a recent vacation and it was great. The more I find out about that zf, the more I need it lol
Why would anyone get a super zoom for the Zf body? It’s clearly marketed and designed to be used with small primes @@just_A_Hack Also it’s actual not that much more than the X-T5. And it seems to be built a lot better, if we are to believe the first reviews of it.
@@domtomas1178 I definitely think that it would be much better suited to the smaller primes, but if I'm buying a camera, i want to use it for everything. Just the same way I used a 70-300 on the x-pro 3. It may not be what is best suited for it, but that's the camera I had so it had to be lol. I'm really looking forward to some of the local camera places we have to get them in so I can get a closer look at the zf. Between it and the hopefully x-pro4, it's exciting times
I had a black Nikon FE2 back in the day & I was in love with it, so the Zf retro styling is fine, but I’m not especially worried about retro styling these days, so I would actually prefer to have that Nikon Zf sensor, Exspeed 7 processor, & Zf specifications list inside a D780 or even D3 style body. A 24MP full frame is a sweet spot for me.
The CIPA ratings are 100% false. CIPA said the Nikon Z9 shots are 700 shots, but people are getting over 5,000 shots WITH 8K video shooting. Zf does do 4K/60 at a crop.
It's interesting you call the Fuji sensor "bigger". Obviously the Nikon sensor is bigger and will have better characteristics ( esp for noise ) even if it's less megapixels. I'm happy it is 24mpix honestly. The black and white is actually interesting because the viewfinder switches so you can see in black and white when taking a pic and it still records RAW.
The Nikon certainly looks the part but the pictures are the same as any other Nikon. Fuji have the customisable film simulations which the Nikon does not. The unique look that Fuji brings to the JPEGs is what sets Fuji apart from other camera manufacturers.
Hmmm . . . I’m not sure I agree with you. I shoot both Nikon and Fuji and I actually really, really like the Monochrome picture control from my Z7ii, especially after I tweaked it a bit to look a little more like the new Dramatic Tone Monochrome in the Zf. I love Fuji film sims but one of the reasons that I keep shooting with Nikon is because of the adjustments I can make to the picture controls to get me sumptuous SOOC images just like on my Fuji.
Problem with the XT-5 is there are many Fuji lenses that can not resolve with its sensor. The Nikon will excel over the XT-5 in low light and AF.I'd rather swap a battery than miss because of AF another win for Nikon. I'd take the ZF with the 26mm pancake lens over the X100V any day of the week. Faster AF incredible IBIS the ability to change lenses better EVF better rear screen.
If i don't have any camera yet definitelly will buy nikon ZF. fullframe lowlight capability and autofocus, many dissapointing i had using Fuji in that area. But because already invested in Fuji lense ecosystem, and camera not giving make any money, yeah, i'll stay in Fuji for now.
Many thanks for the comprehensive unbiased comparison! However I’m not sure why keeping an extra battery or two in your pocket would be a problem and a big reason of concern, if I were a professional photographer I would have extra batteries regardless of either camera All the very best
From my experience shooting weddings, you always want to minimize anything that might cause you to stop shooting. There's always the fear that you will forget to change the battery and suddenly lose power at a crucial moment. It used to be I could shoot a whole wedding without changing the battery and that was a comfort to me. :)
I think the aps-c Nikon Z fc deserves a mention on price, comparing the aps-c XT5 to the aps-c Nikon Z fc. You are still getting a retro camera at a lot cheaper than the Fuji.
This camera looks amazing, but as a commercial photographer using Fuji, it couldn’t replace my XT5’s for pro work. Reasons: limit of 8000 shutter. This might not seem like a thing, but I do a lot of outdoor events, and sometimes shoot wide open, I use mech/elect shutter and I often need over 8000. Yes I could use an ND, or stop down, but they are two compromises I don’t have to worry about on my XT5. The other reason is the complete lack of custom buttons. Once my XT5 is set up, using custom buttons and the dials, I never have to remove my eye from the viewfinder, let alone go into the menu for anything. This is big when you’re shooting events as the moments happen right in front of you. Those are my reasons, but if not for those two issues, I would buy this new Nikon as it’s so beautiful!
@@BoorayPerry I cannot find the specs but another UA-cam reviewer stated it also only goes to 8000? I think it was Jared Polin. Happy to be corrected, but that’s why I took issue with it
@@BoorayPerry I think you’re missing my point. Firstly, yes I know the shutter on the XT5, and yes its electronic shutter goes faster to 180,000. But my point was: It was stated from another UA-cam review (Jared Polin) that the electronic shutter on the Nikon ZF also ONLY goes to 8000 no different to the mechanical shutter. He had issues at f1.2 in bright daylight and had to stop down. I was asking you as a reviewer if you know this to be true or not. You’ve said it’s faster, but you’re not confirming if it actually is with any numbers. I went to the Nikons website and it is awful for specs, so people like me, rely on people like you to understand the details. So either you or Jared are correct, and I would just like to understand which is which.
@@danfarmer_photo Okay, got it. You're right that I can't confirm it because I can't find it on the Nikon site either although I feel positive that I saw it somewhere when I was preparing this video. 🙂
I'm a Fuji user and I really like this camera. It's beautiful and I'm tempted. Since Fuji seems to have abandoned the X-Pro line, if they don't announce an X-Pro4 soon, I might go for it. What bothers me is the lack of a joystick at the back, so in case you need to move the focus point you would need to use the touch LCD.This is a missing feature worth mentioning. I like to use the viewfinder and keep the LCD flipped shut on my Xpro3 while shooting, using the joystick to move the focus point. I guess this cannot be done on the Nikon zf sadly. Wish Nikon could also release some lenses with the aperture ring. The 40mm and 28mm SE don't have it.
Spot on, I’ve also been waiting for the X-Pro to arrive… but this Nikon camera has got my attention. If Fuji doesn’t give us an X-pro soon, I might just pick up a Zf and a Voigtlander lens to pair it with.
@@domtomas1178 ZF and Voigt will pair very nicely. I've found out I can use also the dpad to move the focus point, so now I'm even more tempted to make the preorder of the ZF kit with the 40mm f2 SE. I can even use the tiffen glimmerglass and black pro mist filters I have for my xf 35mm f1.4, since both lenses share same 52mm filter size, perfect! This camera looks simply gorgeous and well built plus it ticks many boxes for me... 8 stops ibis, lcd back panel that you can flip closed shut, retro charm and brass dials, great low light capabilities, great auto focus, great dinamic range, It's perfect for my use case, which is mostly documentary, reportage and travel. As for the lack of native aperture ring lenses, later on I might get a Voigt too or some other third party lens. Manual vintage lenses are a great choice too. In the meanwhile I can program the 40mm lens ring for aperture. Would be perfect for me if Nikon will release a retro 50mm , my favorite focal. But I would keep my Fuji X-Pro 3 alongside the Nikon for the moment and see how it goes.
I used to be a Nikon film camera user and then switched to Fuji because I hate the PASM dials. Fuji, however, has been frustrating me to no end with their crappy autofocus and low-light performance (so many soft shots!). I am ordering the Zf and if I don't see as much grain and blurred images, I am sold.
I really tried to love this Nikon but I am failing to see the reason why should I switch from my Fuji. The main big reason is lack of lenses with aperture rings. There are some Voigtlanders but for AF then I would need to add Techart and adapt Leica lenses or Megadap and adapt Sigma primes from Sony but in both cases Z f with adapter is over 900grams so handling without grip will be terrible. Then this vlogging lcd screen on a photo first camera. In Fuji I still find many important pros like: small, light rangefinder line (X-Pro, X-E), color science is the best among all brands, noise has this nice analog feel, small lenses with aperture rings and autofocus.
Seems like most people don’t understand how sensor size works. More pixels just means each pixel in sensor is smaller, as result more noise. So bigger sensor less pixels, means Nikon pixel size is probably 4 times less noisy. Low light dream. Sensors size depends on your needs. We need more pixels mostly for landscape and studio photography, for street or portraits we need less pixels but able to shot in dark conditions.
Been shooting with my (silver) XT-3 since its release and it’s been a great camera, but I just put it up for sale along with my 5 lenses. The Zf is what the XT-5 should be. FF aside it has better stabilization, AF, IQ and overall photo features than XH2 / XH2s while maintaining the retro style of the XT series. Purchased with the 24-70 f4 costs less than XH2s or XT-5 with 16-55 f2.8 and weighs is about the same. I find the B&W switch to be convenient as I’m often switching between monochrome & color while shooting pet portraits, especially during hikes. Also see it being beneficial for street. They do have various B&W styles similar to monochrome, acros, etc and pretty sure you can create your own recipes. Nikon smokes Fuji in the wide zoom, standard zoom, and telephoto categories. Fuji primes are on par / close in IQ to Nikon but way more stylish… although you have unlimited vintage lenses to adapt and fast primes from Voigtlander etc. to match esthetics of the Zf. I’m sick of missing 65% of shots that have any action / movement whatsoever (even when they’re “in focus”) and endless hunting in low light. Apparently the AF in the new bodies aren’t anywhere near Sony, Canon, or Nikon… they also dropped the ball on their odd choice of lens releases, aside from the updated 1.4/1.2 primes which cost 20-40% more than Nikon 1.8 primes. Fuji used to be the best value on the market… now you can get FF for the same price or less, nearly the same weight, and much better performance. It just doesn’t make sense anymore. The Zf is a baby Z8 in a retro style body and I’m all for it. Safe to say it’s the best value on the market today.
I was a Nikon shooter like so many Fuji converts. D2x and all their cameras were APS-C. I shot D100, D200, D300(tech was changing rapidly) Then Nikon almost completely abandoned those cameras, while constantly encouraging users to switch to full frame. I think Nikon sees Fuji as silly consumer cameras and they are competing with that idea, thus the pretty colors. They have made pretty cameras for the style conscious market before and always failed after a few years.
I love everything about the fujis except for the DR. If I meter the grass for middle the grey the clouds should not blow out…but they do. Personally I would have much rather see Fuji increase the DR on the new sensor as opposed increasing the MP. I will def be taking a very close look at the Nikon. I already have a Nikon FM, so it would make a beautiful companion. :-)
Semi-pro, lifetime Nikon shooter, since my F3s back in the 90s. Currently have a Z9, but doing a personal trip to Peru in a couple of weeks, so I've ordered a Z f. Main reason, the Z9 is too heavy, bulky, and damn expensive to take to South America, the Z f excites me as a full frame, Z mount mirrorless that I feel comfortable carrying into the mountains or walking around Lima with that super-lightweight 40mm f/2. And it'll probably inspire me to carry it all the time after I'm back. I'll still use the Z9 for pro shoots, 48 megapixels and battery life of >2500 shots matters, but carry the Z f all the time that I'm not working.
Why are people surprised that Nikon released the retro Zf? They put the Df out there years ago and back then Nikon acknowledged that it was a niche camera to a certain market segment but as Fuji have taken that retro style and run with it Nikon were always going to release the Z version of their Df. They’re not looking to take on Fuji just looking to ride their wave with a retro camera design that is just a reworking of a body they released a few years ago as a dslr. The surprise is the Zfc as Nikon never bothered with a budget retro dslr.
Problem of the psam "dial" on the zf. It makes the dials uninteresting you can spin the shutter dial as you want, when you are in apperture priority, by accident or you forgot to went to manual or s. Or even sadder, if you knock it to Auto and then wonder why no Dial does anything. It looks great and is surely a great camera but i dont think that it will kill Fuji. You can also dial in the inbetween 1/3 stops on the front dial, if you choose a shutter speed on the fuji.
I use Nikon D750 and Fuji XS-10. I will buy Zf because of the 3D tracking AF, which XS-10 or later does not offer. As you pointed out that SONY's AF is the best but they do not offer retro style camera. I think currently the Zf's AF is better than Fuji's. I have started taking photo from 1970, therefore, the feeling of dial operation satisfies my interest of shooting.
If anyone should make a retro camera, it's Nikon. Looks like the Nikon cameras I used when I started doing photography. But, there are only two retro looking lenses. If there were more retro lenses I would consider buying the camera. And I wish the lenses had aperture rings. Maybe more will be coming in the future. And I'm not a fan of micro sd cards.
every camera has its own qualities. This is a full frame camera and while X T 5 is not. Ok, lets compare with 50 S II Fujifilm with Nikon then. Fujifilm X T 5 has 180 pixel shift while Nikon 90 Mega pixel shift. Who kills who ? Fujifilm shoots 6 K While Nikon 4 K. SO, both cameras are good in their own way. We should appreciate the retro design in those times and focus in our needs in photography.
For a guy who started photography back in the 60’s with s lot of old F Mount glass this is a camera I have been waiting on. I use a lot of this glass on my Fujifilm camera but I want a full frame with the manual dials to get the benefits of all my old glass on a full frame. However I love my Fujifilm camera and it’s not going anywhere.
Interesting camera but I'm DONE with full frame heaviness and size... I am wondering why they aren't providing it in silver/black. Those colors make it look like a toy.
This seems like a comparison without actually using either camera for an extended period of time, and possibly at all. And this is coming from someone who owns a Leica Q2, Fujifilm XH2s, and sold off the GFX 100s to go to the Nikon Z8 - and not because of AF but because of not needing 100mp.
Battery life, flippy screen, PASM dial, micro SD, etc. I don't have a problem with AF on the Fuji XT5, eye detect works so does tracking, so Sony works a very small fraction of 1 second quicker. One big factor is repair costs should you drop or break your camera. I dropped my XT3, about 5ft on to the pavement 18 months back, the repair cost £180 which includes P+P and insurance there and back. They replaced> the top and bottom plate, the rear screen, cleaned or replaced the sensor. About the same time a friend broke a dial on his Nikon 750, he had to pay the P+P + Insurance both ways and that was added to the repair. The repair cost £400. The last Nikon I had was the 600, bought new, within two weeks it had to go back to Nikon because of the shutter (fault) hence the 610. They knew that shutter would screw up but they kept selling them. I changed to Fuji about a year later. As for Nikon, they can stick their cameras where the monkey sticks its nuts.
The biggest highlight for me in the new NIKON Zf is the possibility to address several full manual lenses to the EXIF. This can only Olympus MFT at these days...
I’m glad you mentioned the lack of a silver finish option on the zf . That would be the dealbreaker for me. I like the silver finish over the black finish. I seriously hope nikon makes a silver option . Doesn’t make any sense that they would exclude the silver finish in the new zf camera. I’ve been waiting for this camera but i won’t be buying it if there is no silver option available . Not interested in the black style body. It would be a huge mistake on Nikon’s part to not offer a silver version as there are a lot of us out there that will not buy this camera if black is the only option offered.
@@_cyclofob8990 No plans to release a silver edition has been officially announced or confirmed by nikon at this time. However, i hope they do release a silver version sooner than later.
It doesn't look like the lens on the Nikon has an aperture ring...so despite all the nice dials you still have to use the viewfinder and a control knob to set the aperture. Big minus compared to the Fuji.
Lol the Nikon does not have a fixed lens, unlike many Fuji’s. You have hundreds of lens to choose from some are gelded (no aperture ring on lens) some are not. I ordered a voigtlander 50mm f1 manual focus with aperture ring amongst others for mine.
@@bradarmstrong7467Fuji has one camera with a fixed lens lol, and also a far more complete lens lineup then the Z mount. The Zf looks fantastic but Nikon needs to make a line of F2 primes that are compact and well built(no plastic mounts please)
Not to mention it still is just a pasm camera with dials for the one mode. The beauty of most Fuji cameras is that they're basically modeless and less abstracted. Set auto on what you want and set explicit values for what you want. It's so much better although Fuji could do work to make it more ergonomic for things like one-handed use in bodies like the XH2(via things like button placement or click to toggle auto on dials). Instead, they just kept the mediocre for everything. Pasm control scheme. My hope is that one day Fuji merges their dedicated dial system with a button-based preset system more like cinema cameras so it plays on both system strengths instead of the mediocrity of PASM.
As a Fuji (and Olympus) user I’m tempted because it’s quite pretty and gives the retro experience, but I don’t see it as a killer (and probably will never buy it) for multiple reasons: - it’s way more expensive - I’d have to buy new lenses - I’d have to lug around big honking lenses - most Z lenses didn’t have an aperture ring - the Zf doesn’t have a focus lever (this is minor, but my X-T3 has spoilt me, and I expect better usability in such an expensive camera) - the eye cup on the Zf is really small, which sucks on sunny days (long live X-T3)
I don't like the looks of the Nikon, too childish. I also prefer the APSC, smaller and lighter lenses. Nikon seems they want to jump on the train of the well thought Fuji system, but they will not achieve the JPEG quality which is the main reason for me why I have the Fujis since 2018. Thanks for the great review, Booray!
If Nikon were able to licence the Kodak name for their own film sims or 'looks', then they would really start tempting away people from Fuji. Hell, even adding the ability to load custom luts and save them into quick access menus or buttons would be insane.
I don't own any Nikon lens so as a hobbyist you stick with what stable of gear you have.... also no aperture ring on lens, PSAM, Micro SD, multiple colors at a certain point trivialize the camera to more of a toy, battery life, screen ... and for me personally I still find my Fuji bodies better looking than this Zf.
You were the only creator who had posted a video with the exact comparison I wanted to hear, and I found it very comprehensive and entertaining! You’ve earned a new sub :)
Very good comparison but one big difference is about the noise on high ISO. With 24 Mpixs on full frame against 40 Mpixs on APS-C, you have far less noise with the Nikon. I am a long time user of Fuji and X-T5 and I own the Nikon Zf. The Nikon is used by low light (up to 14000 is fine). I use it with the 150-600 f5,6-6,5 Sigma. The low noise at ISO 14000 allows me to shoot at 1/500s for wildlife in poor light conditions. I am lucky to own both because the Zf is converging to Fuji with its dials but X-T5 remains lighter and with 40 Mpixs.
I tried the XH2, and this might be a lightroom not doing well with Fuji files problem, but it seemed like the 40MP was way too much for an APSC sensor. Low light was pretty much horrible and things just didn't look sharp to me.
I use both C1 and LR and have done 1,000s of photos on each. LR does a great job most of the time, but after editing thousands of files with it, I find it does have issues rendering Fuji files correctly - sometimes/most of the time, they can look "painterly" and smeary, for lack of a better word, when pixel peeping. I notice it mostly in outdoor shots with lots of grass, foliage, stuff like that in the mid / distant parts of the frame. Indoor portrait type stuff usually looks fine, but fabric textures and other details can look off. If you are sure you nailed focus etc., try using the "enhance details feature". If it is an image shot in broad daylight, set noise reduction to around 10-15 (if not, go a little higher). I don't like leaning on this feature, because the file size triples. But frankly when I do the images are even sharper/more detailed than anything I can get out of C1 or from in-camera JPEGs. LR has been developed around bayer sensors and so far they apparently cannot be bothered to import Xtrans files faithfully. It is a shame because it keeps more photographers locked into literally any other system. C1 IMO is worse in terms of balancing contrast and noise, at times. It seems to compress JPEGs better - higher quality, smaller file sizes. It seems to pick a sharpness and noise reduction approach and I don't feel I have as much latitude or control over those things as I do with LR. It definitely has a "look" and you notice it when you've been using LR for awhile and switch back (its easy to avoid that look, if you want, by limiting what "auto adjust" is allowed to do). That said I find it easier to balance exposures/midtones and C1 seems a little more faithful to Fuji's film sims. The AI is also a lot harder to use, it is taking me awhile to learn it. But when it went on sale for 50% off for a "perpetual" license, I jumped on it because IMO the workflow is actually better, and it just runs better than LR. I have a powerful computer and LR just runs amazingly bad at times. C1 is almost as powerful and somehow has no issues. BTW, the 40mp sensor is superior in terms of noise and low-light compared to my 26mp sensor. Once you SCALE the images properly, and, especially if you need to do large prints, more MPs is going to look better, all else equal, even as the ISO gets cranked up. If you are new to this stuff, try downloading the free version of C1 for Fuji and use that for awhile - it would be a shame to dump the H2 because of LR's problems.
Waited months now and did a lot of reading. The X-H2S is for sale and I'll get the Zf with some select lenses. I do photography for fun and it's time for a great Nikon experience. I'll miss the XH battery life, custom options, and handling. Won't miss some other things. :)
Hey bud, you said the fuji has a larger sensor because it has 40mp. It appears the full frame nikon has the larger physical sensor size despite its 24mp. Actual sizes are 35.9×23.9 vs 23.5×15.6 respectively. Other than that, good video. Thanks.
You was right abouy retoer photographer using buying this camera. Always was a Nikon owner I almost went with the fuji but decided to wait and now its a battle....
Definitely a very nice camera (Nikon Zf) and seems to be priced right at xt5 and xh2 levels. The only thing that Fuji really excels at and what made me a Fuji user is the film simulations and the customization of them. From the initial first looks of the camera (Nikon Zf) and output of the files they look really really good. Major competition for Fuji for sure.
Hi! I am a Nikon shooter, way back in 80's. I also have a, Fuji M-1 for my walk around, travel camera, small & easy to used. I think , I would buy one, if I have the budget. Seems to be a, very good travel camera, smaller than my DSLR & Nikon Z9 &Z 8. (comparing it, in pictures) Price wise, affortable. I do my photography as a hobby. Thanks for your sharing.
I really believe the next set of surprises will come from creatives that embrace the Nikon system. If Nikon develops software at least on desktop that will allow you to create your own film sims will elevate the Z.
After much research I will not be selling my xt5 for the zf . No joystick , weird sd card setup . Just learned today that you have to go into the menues to turn on auto iso . The only reason FF wouldn’t even be appealing to me would for the 2.8 zoom becauee you really loose out with dof being apsc . I can’t even imagine the weight of that camera with a 24-70 . I do like Nikon but this camera isn’t it imo
Wow that PASM leaver - Fuji should shamelessly steal that and stick it on the XT6, or an XH3S (after they dump the useless top screen and bring back the dials)! That is all they really needed for the new XH bodies. IDK if things changed with the XT5, but on my XT3, I've always been able to select a shutter speed on the dial (in full stop increments), and then use the front dial to move it up or down 2/3rds. Fast and easy. At some point, you just use the front dial to change shutter manually, and use the dial when you need a quick manual override (like when, say, wanting to jump back to a flash sync speed). I do this all the time, actually - I might run auto ISO outdoors, if I have the light, and/or auto shutter. But when I'm back inside, I set the ISO with the dial and go back to flash shooting with a twist of a dial or a flick of the command wheel. Nikon's solution seems worse to me. Also I would not pick either camera. With no battery grip, I can't slap my zooms and a flash on an XT5 and comfortably shoot an event, or sports, or anything really, comfortably. Unless, of course, I can do it with any of Fuji's amazing little prime lenses (but, then again, the flash on top will still be a horrible ergonomic / balance problem). To me that is a deal breaker. I am also on the fence with regards to the XT5's poor rolling shutter performance. The XT3 is good enough, most of the time, but the 40mp sensor got a lot worse. That's a big hit to sport/action/wildlife shooting, and there is that shallow buffer. The Nikon is cool, I guess, but there are, what? Two lenses that "fit" the camera? It has the same major ergonomic flaws that the XT5 has if you want to use it as a professional tool, or invest in the very excellent larger lenses either company makes. No aperture rings? Nikon is clearly ready to gain some market share back, and they are coming for everyone. z8, z6/7iii have my attention. The 1.8 primes are fine by me, and they're cheaper than Fuji primes. The zooms are somewhat affordable. Yup, I don't know where I'd go if not Nikon FF for an "upgrade" (I'm too poor for Canon, and too smart for Sony). Oh, yes I do - Fuji GFX!
Concerning Nikon's battery life with cameras using the EL-15 b/c battery... always rated very conservative. Multiply by a factor of 1,5 and you are in the right ballpark.
No, imo the ZF is nice, but is not a Fujifilm killer. Not only are the controls a bit better on the Fujifilm, their lenses match the retro feel better. The ZF has 2 lenses, which are ok. Imo 😊
Micro SD card issue- I like to save my raw images on one card and jpegs on the other. I’ve heard of photographers storing images on one card and video on the other.
Nice piece overall. Didn’t notice if it was mentioned elsewhere in the comments but the FM2 (and FE series) came out in black and chrome. The FM2T later had a titanium finish. With the Zfc, Nikon didn’t release a black finish at first and now markets one in Japan and in the USA (but only directly from Nikon in the USA. Also all the dials (including the PASM dial and the option for one-third stop settings) are carryovers from the Df. Not sure if Nikon is coming at Fuji with this, they’ve all but ceded the DX market to Fuji and Sony. They are shooting for the nostalgia market (like me, to a point) the hipsters with the multi color leatherette, and introducing some trial options. They may offer a chrome/titanium finish eventually, like they did with the black. The Z6III may be thr Zf tech in the current body (complete with the ability to take a vertical grip). As I said, overall a nice video.
I was always a Nikon shooter (F90x, FM2) during the film days. I switched from Nikon to Fuji 10 years ago, starting with the Fujifinepix S3Pro (it took Nikkor lenses)....because I thought Nikon was sitting on their laurels. Now I feel that Fuji is sitting on THEIR laurels. Not really happy with recent releases. Now thinking of moving back to Nikon and their new full-frame Z series.
As a Nikon and Fuji shooter (Nikon primarily) I will NOT buy this camera for a number of reasons: I don't believe it has a *functional* grip - if any and for me I need a comfortable vertical grip w/shutter release as well as the added battery. I own a couple of Z6's and although the AF on the Zf is likely much better I suspect that the overall image quality won't be that much better. I already own SD, XQD and CF Express cards - WTF is up with the micro SD? I can't even keep track of my car keys half the time let alone something that tiny. In the end the Zf is like having a full frame, better focusing X-T3/X-T4 with a few bells and whistles minus the nice grip.
I agree with many of your statements, but I honestly don't see the micro SD card being that big of a deal. Since the micro SD is probably going to be used for a backup, in the event main SD card fails, the micro SD card will probably just live inside the camera most of the time without being taken out. It's not ideal and a second full-size slot would have been awesome, but it does make the camera more viable for professional shooters.
It really depends on what you shoot. ff lenses like the Nikon 26mm, 28mm, 40mm are not that large. Also most newer FF large lenses are not as heavy as the ones from years ago. This body is great for those smaller primes but ergonomics are sacrificed with this body design. I’m in the Tampa area too trying to decide if I’m keeping it
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If Nikon had done this in 2014 I'd be shooting Nikon again. But they didn't, so I bought an X-T1 and nothing will pry my Fuji cameras away from me now. If I had an abondance of $$$ I might buy the Nikon for nostalgic purposes, but they didn't quite get there in time for me. This doesn't explain why several other digital camera manufacturers make ugly cameras, the there's not doubt the new Nikon is interesting, now, and how/what will happen with future releases.
Fuji and Nikon user here. A big win for Nikon and Manual focus. The ZF has subject/face/eye detection in manual focus w/ direct punch in magnification. Breathes new life into my old Nikon glass and provides a better way to MF(on people) than focus peaking.
This is interesting. Don't know how this detection works, anyway also with fuji you have a direct punch in magnification with Voigt lenses for example. I hate mf by wire so I use in mf only real mf lenses.
I got tired of waiting for Xpro4 and pulled the trigger on this. If Nikon can make a range finder version of ZF. They can really go after Fuji.
Yep, a mirrorless FF version of Nikon’s famous ‘S’ rangefinder series from the 50s, bye-bye…X-Pros. Fuji, Nikon is gunnin’ for ya, time to step it up.
They did a great job with this body, other than battery life and the weird card setup. To go all in on the retro thing, though, they really need a new line of lenses for these. The Nikon Z lenses are huge and ugly. A series of small ones like the 40 would be great in a 28 and 85…
@@BradleyHansonPhotography with aperture rings.
@@nimai0108 exactly!
@@nimai0108Aperture Ring is a MUST have
I was a photographer for major magazines for a long time. And a Nikon photographer. Of course. At some point in the digital age I had a D7100 in my hand and, with great skepticism, took some serious photographs with it. The performance of the APSC format completely convinced me. When other manufacturers added IBIS to this format, I didn't want anything else. The lower weight and more manageable dimensions of the lenses were a huge relief. And the quality is terrific. On this point, I don't understand Nikon for not seeing and expanding these opportunities.
As a long-term Fuji user - and I use them because as an 'oldie' I find the dials etc are more relateable to my length of experience than front and rear rotating wheels - I am afraid this camera could make me very disloyal. I love Fuji glass but as a former Nikon shooter (film days) I love even more the Nikon lens ecosphere, especially some of the old manual AI glass. You are spot on about the decision point for Fuji users being around the X-T5. This camera is very disruptive to the Fuji world, imho.
The new Nikon Z glass is simply amazing. Their 1.8 S lineup (24mm, 35mm, 50mm, and 85mm) for $400-600 and the optics are PHENOMENAL. Nothing that Canon or Sony have can compare to the price:performance ratio of Nikon glass.
@@truthkeeperfilmsI do think the best reasons to go Nikon is the 40 2.0 and 28 2.8
@@truthkeeperfilmsagree with u, the quality of Nikon lens blow my mind. Microcontrast, sharpness, contrast, ... all better than Fuji-Canon_ Sony lens at the same even the higher price
@@dai9775 - Exactly. Look at Sonys 1.8 glass, it’s cheap and the optics are pathetic. If you want better glass, you have to jump to the GM glass. Nikons 1.8 S Primes give you GM quality at $500-$700 mint condition used.
I'm a Nikon shooter, I own the Zfc, before I had the X100T and sold it. The battery life is much longer than what is stated officially, so I would not worry. I have the black Zfc and will get the Zf as well. This camera is better than any Fuji X camera on the market, you can't compare it. And I have so many old AI-lenses, it's just a joy to see that I can now use them without crop.
Very interesting. Do you need an adapter to use the AI lenses? Thanks
@@shy-guy5544 yes
Although I’m sure Nikon was well aware of the competitive factor re: Fuji cameras, let’s not forget that this is not Nikon’s first venture into the retro styling world. They released the Nikon df almost 10 years ago so I don’t think it was a strategic decision to go after Fuji but perhaps an additional motivation.
I disagree because this camera is absolutely awesome
The DF was a flop. They seem to have learned from their mistakes because the Zf look like a banger.
The Df was nice, but also a failure. It had a retro front and top plate, but the backside looked like a similar Nikon DSLR, and it was back then uber-expensive into 2013. Furtherway, it used the 16 MP D4 Sensor, whileas using at the same time the 39 Point D7000 (DX) AF System - into short, it was a mish-mash product, uncompleted...*but* it could use Nikon AF-D lenses, and focus them with AF, unlike the Zf, simply because there's no FTZ III adapter with screwdrive BiM, which could use those old lenses with AF onto *any* Z-Mount body...one can only focus manually...which sucks.
Back then… yes a flop, but this era? Everyone is crazy about retro scene😅
Only Hipsters and Defluencers! I shoot with that gear since almost 4 decades, when it was current, not "retro" or -vintage, back into its heyday.@@osaprakoso
I have worked with Nikon cameras for many years and I am still convinced by the products, the menu navigation and the quality of the results.
But then Fuji moved into my studio with an X-T3 to try out. . The quality of the results despite the APS-C sensor completely convinced me. The argument for changing was ultimately the size and weight of the system, especially the lenses, and the associated price structure.
At Fuji there was also the beautiful retro look, the image preview of the mirrorless system, the film simulations and the generous and useful firmware updates.
OK for sure, if I were still active in the Nikon system, I would definitely have ordered the ZF as a privat add-on for fun, but with a fully equipped Fuji system, this camera is completely unappealing to me.
The only thing I really miss is the auto focus system, but it looks like Fuji has recognized the problem and is rapidly catching up.
We will see what the friendly company with an eye on their users, will bring us in the future.
P.S. Thank you for your great content, it's a pleasure to watch, keep it up. 🙏🥰👍🏼
Best wishes from Germany.
Played around with the ZF extensively. Absolutely amazing retro camera. Definitely a "fuji killer" if you can call it that. The biggest downfall is the total lack of lenses with an aperture ring. Since i shoot in aperture priority mode >90% of the time this makes the whole retro appeal a moot point unfortunately
Works amazingly with old adapted lenses though. Especially zooming in to the detected eye for manual focus is amazing
It's interesting how many people are addicted to the aperture ring. People who don't use Fuji think it's ridiculous. 🙂
@@BoorayPerry I don't use Fuji at all, I do however still use analog cameras alongside my digital one and like the user experience quite a lot, which is why having a "retro" style camera needs to have lenses with an aperture ring imho
@@CianMcsweeney Thats exactly what I said though? The camera is absolutely amazing, but because of the lack of glass it falls short...
@@tolga1cool I wasn't replying to you apologies, was replying to @BoorayPerry, redid the reply there
@@BoorayPerry I disagree, even all of sonys new lenses have aperture rings now
I have both systems… and ZF hands down …selling all my apsc Fujifilm systems and not looking back… ZF will be in good company sat next to my Z6 and Z9…
I recently decided to go from my trusted Fuji system to try the Nikon Zf and I couldn’t be happier, the picture quality and the sensor performance is on another level, I can’t see myself spending $1700-$1800 on a Fuji APSC body when I can get a full frame for a little more and another benefit is the ability to use full frame in crop sensor mode
The black & white modus on the new Zf is actualy 3 different types of B&W, comparable with Acros, regular B&W and another type.
Even on my Z50 there is a digital zoom possibility for the manual focussing. I moved it to the F2 button on the front of the camera and it works great.
I too tweaked my B/W recipes Fuji Film weekly Richie created several recipes. They work quite well!
Personally love the PASM lever. A very stylish implementation. Omission of silver is a downer. Nikon hit it out of the park on style.
I would like a silver version as well but after seeing Ricci's vid where he used sandpaper to reveal the brass underneath the black paint, I thought man, that'll be pretty sweet too.
No but Nikon does plan to release seven different colored versions so you can be picky if you don't want black.
@@michaellee3903It's six colors plus black. They could have added those six colors with a silver top too !
Great comparison video! The B/W switch, with an EVF, would be a game changer if your natural light abruptly changes from 'good-for-color' to 'good-for-monochrome'.
100% right, composing is easier sometimes in color , sometimes in b&w depending n the light and the background. It’s the main reason I switched to xt1 when it came out
Will the Nikon lenses for this camera have an aperture ring? I know it’s only a small detail but, for me, it one of the factors that completes the experience of using this style of camera.
I don't believe so..
I am with you there. I didn't know how much I actually really liked the aperture ring on the lenses, but I wouldn't want it any other way. I keep hoping that these other companies would start to put them on their lenses also, but they just keep relying on the on body dials. To each their own I guess, but I love the aperture ring
@@just_A_Hack I had to get used to it but now I like it simply because i now have the exposure triangle mapped to 3 dials instead of just two.
Check out Voightlander excellent MF lenses.
I'll probably buy a Nikon ZF in coming months. I have several Fuji cameras (XT-3, XT-2 and X100V) and several Nikons (D800E, D500 and Z6II) and an assortment of Nikon and Fuji lenses. I'll keep the X100V and one of the XTs, I'll part with a Z 6II and eventually the D500 (based on what the expected Z6III will look like for wildlife and sports). The different colored ZF bodies don't appeal to me, so I'll stick with black. One of the most interesting things to me cosmetically is that the dials are made of brass, and as the paint wears off of the dials the brass comes through.
Oh, that's cool!
Booray, to answer your question at @19:37, I’m one of those people who actually really likes the new B&W mode. To me, it fits the whole ethos of the camera and I actually find SOOC monochrome images from my Z7ii to have really nice tones and gradations. Thus, I treat them like I treat my film sims from my X-T5.
I think I would like it too. :)
Micro SD is not odd. Anybody who uses a GoPro is familiar with them. The only down side is they can be a little bit slower than the V90 SDXC cards, but not much. And if you get V60 SCXC cards they are the same speed. They use less power and take up much less space. Also, the R/W interface is smaller inside the camera. So it is a good choice.
I have had the experience of lugging around a bag full of full frame lenses, and found it no fun at all. Which is why I switched first to Micro Four Thirds, and now to Fuji. I must say that I also like the retro styling of the Fujis.
TL;DR the Nikon EN-EL15C battery is huge and will last at least 2 days for casual shooters.
I might be a few months late, and this is just a mere observation about the Nikon battery. I have the Nikon Z5 which has the same battery as the Nikon ZF. Although the processor of my Z5 is older which might have contributed to the savings, I was able to produce a whooping 1,100 clicks (with 20% left at the end of day, 2 SD cards for RAW+Jpeg). Websites say 380 clicks as well for the Z5 but I think it's super conservative.
I do architectural photography and the Zf (after years of using Sony) has been an incredible performer! Battery life must be way more than officially stated because I have consistently gotten more than 500 pics (shooting in RAW) out of a single battery charge on standard battery mode.
I tried Fujis for a year because I love the retro film design and controls, but got rid of them because they couldn’t perform that well in low light and the autofocus was so-so.
The autofocus of the Zf is by far the best I’ve ever used (shocking since it used to be the worst in the DSLR days), the colors are as good as Fuji, and way better than Sony. The dynamic range is insane, I could go on, but you get the point.
I even picked up a crop sensor Zfc as a backup camera and it STILL outperforms the Fujis in low light.
Hi Booray Perry - I like your style of presentation and you seem to be reasonably unbiased, which is very appreciated. That said, there are some things you should be aware of:
1) the CIPA rating on the battery life is totally out of whack with reality. I easily shoot an entire wedding day with 2 Nikon ENEL-15C batteries on the Z6II (same battery as is in the Zf). I have no doubt that this battery will be fully sufficient for any and all professional use.
2) the reason for the micro SD card is simply for space savings - the choice was 1 card or 2 with the micro and I think it is clear that Nikon made the right choice.
3) The Nikon Zf does 4k 60 but with an APS-C crop - this is is de facto as good as the Fuji as the Fuji is an APS-C camera.
4) ISO performance is not only better on the Nikon due to its native range, but also the fact that full frame is much more competent in low light than APS-C - but more to the point, the Nikon Zf focuses to -10 EV at 1.2 - so call it -9EV at 1.6, or -8EV at 2.2 - this is really industry leading at this point and just as important as the ISO range etc.
Ironically you said, "congratulations, you can now get a "Fuji Style" camera in Full Frame", and I get what you are trying to say, but I think you forget that there were no Fuji cameras back in the film days - besides disposables and later point and shoots - literally the so called "Fuji Style" camera is modeled after the old Nikons with perhaps the Canon AE-1 thrown in. So, Nikon is NOT imitating Fuji - to the contrary Fuji is and has always imitated Nikon - Nikon is now taking its rightful place in producing a camera based on the designs that they created in the first place.
And to point 1 above, I assure you that the battery is sufficient for professional work. I would say that the ergonomics of the grip are lacking for pro work, but that does not seem to be something that bothers you as this is clearly the case with Fuji cameras as they have no grip to speak of either - I am sure in both cases there are third party options - for the Nikon we already know that Small Rig has designed a grip specifically for the Nikon Zf.
Finally, you speak of lens selection. You should know that Nikon is again at the forefront of optical design in the inustry. Simply put, the Z S line lenses are second to none in the market. They have a line of 1.8 S primes that are literally professional grad 1.8's - not the 1/8's of old but top of class IQ, build quality, aberration control and focus breathing corrected. In short, they are the best body of 1.8 primes on the market. Nikons faster glass is also spectacular and better than the competition.
So, from a pro standpoint, especially for events/weddings - what is most important? 1) ergonomics - we must hold the camera all day long - this is where the Nikon Zf falls down a bit but no more so than the Fuji's which are equally uncomfortable to hold, 2) low light performance - no comparison - The Nikon is full frame and focus in much darker situations, 3) lenses - no comparison - for anyone that has used the new S line glass from Nikon - it is better than (and at its worst as good as) any lenses from any other manufacturer., 4) battery life - yes the CIPA rating is low, and always seems to be an under estimate especially when it comes to Nikon, but I can assure you that the ENEL-15C battery is sufficient for any professional event work - 2 batteries will carry the day - 3 at the most - this is not really different than what you need with the Fuji.
Finally, I always struggle to undertand how anyone would choose APS-C for pro use. I am not saying that you cannot get good images with APS-C as I know one can and I have myself, but the inherent disadvantages in low light and subject isolation just make me scratch my head as to why this would be a first choice - it is the reason that I never invested in Fuji gear to be honest. If it is just about size and weight, I suppose that was a reason in the past, but the Zf is not that big of a camera (neither is the Z6/7 form factor).
Anyway, I am not dumping on Fuji - even if it appears that I am. I like their aesthetics and I know several colleagues that swear by their color profiles. As a RAW shooter, I guess I just don't see this as that much of an advantage as RAW files (especially Nikon NEF files that are among the best RAW files out there) can be made to look any way with editing - including just like any Fuji file - there are literally presets out there than imitate the Fuji film profiles for non-Fuji images.
I have gone on for too long, but wanted to be sure that some of the salient facts you missed were addressed.
That said, nice video and presentation!
-PD
Fujifilm simulations are surely a great nice to have, but should not be considered as a dealbreaker, especially for raw shooters.
I think you gave a very fair review considering you are clearly in the Fuji "Space" as you put it. I've been using Nikon sine the 90's. I get your issue with the battery but for hobbyists like myself, I've never taken even 300 pictures in one day so getting back to a hotel/cabin/camper/home and putting the battery back on the changer or, with the Nikon Zf, just plug in the USBC cable and you're ready for the next day's fun. Thank you for your time and what you do for your viewers!
There have been many comments that battery life is much better than Nikon says so maybe not an issue at all. Thanks for the thanks!
Depends. Nikon has the full frame body and Fuji has the lenses. So it depends what you prioritize. If you want an all manual feel, compact camera, and small lenses, go Fuji XT. If you want more of an automated mirrorless full frame with larger AF lenses then get the Nikon.
For the Nikon to work 100% as a retro manual camera they would have to release a lineup of small, compact, manual, vintage Nikkor lenses for the new mount (yes with a real aperture ring).
The colors don’t matter because anyone with any taste and sense will get black.
As far as the sensor. Check how the Fuji does over 3200ISO and how the Zf handles it. IMO, probably the full frame 24MP sensor will handle high ISO noise a lot better than a small sensor with a lot of megapixels (that most people buying these things don’t really need).
Video LCD’s on cameras for photography don’t really work. That’s why Fuji users prefer the tilt screen not a video screen.
The Zf should have no video. It should have a tilt screen only and a lineup of real manual lenses to go with it. And come in black leather only in black or silver finish. It should also have a very minimal menu set. It shouldn’t have many options. Only the things needed to make photographs. And that’s it. The simpler and less features the better.
i didnt give up on Nikon and waited years shooting my D810. The camera that ive been waiting for has arrived.
You could say that I love you about a lot of features,whenwhen it regards to black and white switch ability, but not having to go to the menus is excellent
Sorry to see the Photobomb Podcast end. It was the only podcast that I look forward to every Tue/Wed.
That's really nice of you to say. We enjoyed doing it. :)
When I was younger all I wanted was a Nikon because back then, that was the camera to have... Having used, Canon, Sony and now recently Fujifilm X-T4, I don't see a single reason I'd want the ZF. I specifically ran away from the extreme cost that is fullframe. I'm loving the Fujifilm colors, even more the sims I can mess around with when I don't need to edit every single phot I take. I honestly don't see myself leaving fuji anytime soon, I'm absolutely in love with this gear.
I don’t really see it as a Fuji Killer. It doesn’t temp me the way the X-T2 did back in the day. I know Nikon full frame shooters that also shoot Fuji. These are the people I see buying this camera. I have no interest in this camera.
The Zf is cool but way too heavy compared to the X-T5 specially if you add the grip. If the Zf was 650grm with a grip already molded in the body then I would have considered it
As a long time Fuji User and FM2/FA Hobbyist here, the Nikon Zf got me excited like no other camera in a while.
Being full frame and having Z6III* specs in that retro form factor is compelling although I don't need most of it. For me, handling and shooting experience is more important than frames per second and fast continuous auto focus. And in that respect, I stay hesitant if Nikon, who did not commit to this form factor for the whole lineup (Fuji also diversified here with X-H, X-S and GFX) really went the whole way with this one. Is the Zf just an Z6 in different clothes, i. e. same menu system, huge dependency on changing settings on the back display etc? I think this is a question only further hands on testing can answer. I have no experience with the Zfc.
Maybe I could adapt to the full articulating screen since it also means, that I can hide the screen. Maybe I could adapt to PSAM again, although it means that sometimes confusingly the camera has different settings than the ones which are on the dials alone (but it's the same on the FA).
But one thing I really miss right away: A dedicated aperture ring on the lenses to make the manual control of the exposure triangle complete. The little display doesn't do the trick for me. Nikon did not even put an aperture ring on the two retro styled lenses! Why, Nikon? And all the other Nikkor Z lenses with their modern form factor deliver great image quality but also maybe just draw the whole camera back to being a Z6 in disguise, not a functional retro camera.
In respect of lenses I am also very curious on how good one can adapt legacy AIS glass on the Zf, functionally (focusing wide open, aperture read out) and in style (the adapter should not be the one thing not retro in between). Since - to be honest - I really would like to add a good digital FM2 body to my collection. One day. I am not in an hurry to get one now.
Definitely! Basic reason why, as an old Nikon addict and former film shooter, I currently own a Fuji. Lenses are the key. And if the matter is to shoot with 24-120 or 180-600, better wait for the Z6III.
Its not a Z6 in disguise, the Zf is a 25mp non stacked baby Z8 with a retro flavor
@@VIDEOVISTAVIEW2020 "Z6" was just a shorthand of the modern design Nikon mirrorless cameras. I also called it an Z6III* right in the beginning, if that's more agreeable to you.
@@MockUPie I also own a Z6. The Zf is a class of it's own catering to retro afficionados and content creator vloggers. If nikon decides to continue with the Z6 iteration line up, the Z6III should be at least 30mp.
As a former Nikon guy, and now a Fuji guy, I’ll stick with Fuji. Although this looks like a great camera, I have invested too much in Fuji gear to make the switch back to Nikon. If Nikon released this camera 5 years ago, then it would be a different story and I would probably buy the Zf.
Same here. Love it, but years too late for me.
I picked up the X-T5 as my first foray into Fuji back in march and I’m wishing I’d known this was coming out before I bought it, because full frame, retro style & massive lens selection would probably have pulled me in over Fuji, since I don’t have a massive soft spot for the aperture rings
@@Northern00 What's missing for me in Zf is lack of A position on Iso and shutter speed dial. Additionally lack of lenses with aperture ring is disappointing.
So beautiful I immediately felt tempted... but I must say I don't use Fuji purely for nostalgic 'retro' reasons. In fact I use an XS10 as a daily camera - what hooked me was the simulations and the small, good, affordable lenses. With aperture rings! That, more than ISO and SS, is what I really want to control in an 'analogue' way. I don't want to buy into a body purely for nostalgic reasons. So the issue will be, do I need full frame? I didn't buy a full frame up to now, and not only because they aren't retro styled... I will have to wait and see if the full frame really does offer enough advantages over the latest Fuji sensor. But man, this Nikon is attractive...
Fuji shooter here...to me the biggest reason I love fuji, and have stayed with the fuji system for 5 plus years is their workflow. I am not spending hours editing photos, the film sims and recipes etc allow me to get a great shot right out of camera. For Nikon and the Zf to take my hard earned cash, I need to know that what I can get out of camera competes, or is better than the Fuji system. It is more than being nostalgic about an 80's film camera (still have them, and shoot them regularly, so I don't need a digital FM2) and its more than physical dials - even though I love that F stop display on the top.
Your point about B&W mode I completely agree. I understand Leica has their monochrom cameras which are specifically B&W, but I don't know who 'needs' a B&W switch so quickly. On my Fuji, like you its mapped to a profile, and I press the q button, and go to my HP5 Sim and i am ready to go. It isn't as fast as a switch, but it isn't slow either.
That was also one of the things that made me switch to Fuji. I had the X100V and I noticed that so many times I wouldn't do anything to the file after the fact.
I am a Fuji shooter too... Have XH1 & xs20 ...
But now I am considering to exchange my entire canon 7d kit for Nikon ZF. It is difficult to say which brand is better, how ever there are some creative features in Nikon which Fuji is not providing,, especially Raw file in double exposure mode. 2ndly yes for Nikon's low light performance is ofcourse better, exposure smoothing while shooting timelaps is there in Nikon.
Ofcourse Fuji leads in film simulation, handling, etc.
But the biggest advantage of Nikon z mount is that we can adapt Sony FE mount lenses with an adaptor... And there are plenty of 3rd party budget lens available for Sony FE mount
Odd that battery life would be the deal-killer. Nikon and Sony shooters have always carried three batteries to a wedding. They prefer the low light performance of the full frame and 24.5 MP is the sweet spot for low light performance and avoidance of diffraction at high apertures (and Nikon already has three 45.7 MP cameras). By the way, you misspoke and said the Fuji sensor is bigger, when you meant to say it has more megapixels. The micro SD card is being described as an internal memory like the Hasselblad and Leica's have. Most photographers will never remove it, just re-format it. It is there for backup or overflow, or if you forget your SD card.
Well, the Nikon users are all saying that the battery rating is bull anyway. :)
The Japanese concept of Wabi sabi embraces the search for beauty in imperfection, that's why I bought a used Leica M240. It is the perfectly imperfect camera - No IBIS, autofocus, 10 bit internal, face recognition, etc; At 66 it feels like an old friend returning home.
That's the first time "Wabi sabi" has been mentioned in a comment and it was a great one. :)
If Nikon were to develop a full lineup of “retro” designed bodies, yeah, it would be a definite threat, and I might be tempted to give it a shot (no pun intended). At the moment, I am more than a bit disappointed in Fuji’s offerings as of late, PASM, no Battery Booster for the X-T5, still mediocre AF, etc...Now if this is a one-off camera, not it likely will not be a Fuji killer. I guess we will see upon release how it sells, I believe Nikon tried this “retro” thing with the Df a few years back, it was a flop. At the end day I am happy to see Nikon coming out with this, it might be the fire under Fuji’s a** needed to get off their duffs, get serious, and up their game
Exactly, we want to see the X-Pro4 already Fuji…
Nikon does have something similar to film simulations on its cameras. They call it "Picture Control" (accessed from the menu settings). It's not as fancy but serves a similar purpose. And you could easily make unique "film recipes" by moving the various sliders within each Picture Control option in the same way that's commonly done on Fuji cameras.
Film simulation isn't just a simply saturation brightness things.
@@monstermiuneither is picture control. And with the Nikon you can download film simulation picture control profiles .
Regardless, RAW is superior to jpegs that wannabe film
@@adriannasanchez468 It could never reach the fujifilm simulation level. The picture control is a basic color filter just like the drive mode inside all fujifilm camera.
@monstermiu I've looked into it playing around on my PC. You are spreading falsehoods. Picture control has more immersion settings wise than the simple tweaks you can do to the Fuji film Sims. FYI I shoot Fuji. I'm a bit tired of people making film Sims sound like the second coming. They are simply JPEG files with a LUT applied.
I’ve wanted a mirrorless ff for ages from Fuji since 2012 after owning the first x100.
Now I’m considering a Nikon for the first time in my life.
Agree....I hate this their choice to produce only aps-c and mf
@@rakoksyAll I want is a ff mirrorless and you can stick a fixed 35mm lens on it as well like Leica does (but its 28mm) with the Q series.
Why is no one talking about the 8000th SS limit on this camera. For Electronic Shutter as well!! It means no fast lenses in daytime without an ND filter. I'm far too used to super fast Electronic shutters that go super fast.
The new Nikon ZF is more comparable to the X-T4 than the X-T5. I own and use the original Nikon Df which is a digital way to use my old MF Nikkor lenses but also couples well with my AF-S Nikkors. The problem with this modern Nikon ZF as well as the previous Zfc is Nikon no longer makes lenses with aperture rings. I'm into the Fujifilm line because of their rendering of digital cameras that still have all the dials. I learned how to be a photographer using the old Nikon pro 35mm cameras which had manual controls. So, using the Fuji X-t series is very close to the way I learned photography. I use modern digital cameras that have PASM dials but I don't like them. Hense, my love for the Fuji X-T series.
I believe you can change the focus ring on the lenses to aperture in the settings. This would be good for using autofocus but if you are in manual focus, this would suck as you would not be able to focus.
I'm a Leica M shooter and the Zf might allow me to switch back to Nikon. I carry my Leica everywhere, including the grocery store and because I enjoy only the smallest lenses possible with a full-frame sensor Leica was really my only choice. I would feel good about carrying the Zf everywhere and because I generally use a 28mm lens, Nikon has me covered with either the small 28mm or the tiny 26mm! While the magic I feel when I hold my Leica is causing me to stall on this, the technologies in the Zf are impossible to resist, especially in this form-factor. On batteries, an inspiring camera is enough for me to forget about poor battery performance.
You'll love the 😊m to z adapter that brings autofocus to manual m lenses
I own the black Zfc and the battery is way better than stated. The Zf has a bigger battery than the Zfc, so I expect even better performance. If you get the Zf, get also the 26 mm pancake. This lens is simply amazing and so small, you barely notice it. I'm also bringing my Zfc everywhere.
As a photo hobbyist, I am certainly excited about Nikon Zf and would buy it. However, if I were professional photographer, I would rather prefer to have something else for work, like Nikon Z7 II, Nikon Z8, Nikon Z9 or even Nikon D850. However, even in that case, Nikon Zf would be ideal fit for the personal off the work use.
I own Z6II and very happy with it ever since. It has everything I want it. I Don't Need to change every time a New Camera release. That's stupid! I Don't have the camera Syndrome think that every new camera is Better than Old ones. The Zf look nice like to my F3 but I won't go Crazy and Buy it like most will...
Not a fan of the micro SD, but it’s better than nothing.
Also, I think Nikon does have a digital zoom. It should be called DX crop or DX zoom if I’m not mistaken. It’s been a while since I shot with Nikon.
As an X-T5 shooter, even I believe Nikon did really well, I will not switch to a Zf.
I vote for Fuji on this comparison, I have the Z5 from Nikon and I am satisfied with everything it does and it has two SD cards and a great battery life paired with the 24-200 Z lens it does all.
The battery life isn’t a problem for me because I use the batteries that I used on my Nikon D500 those batteries are fantastic
I love the look of the Zf and would love to purchase it, but the cost of full frame is a real issue I think. I have loved my Nikons, but those lenses can get expensive. Big reason why I stay with aps-c or super old dslrs lol Great video Booray! Really enjoyed you on the fujilove podcast the other week when you guys were talking about the upcoming summit
Thanks! We had a good time. :)
28SE and 40SE are affordable
@@frankfeng2701 100% they are. I was kind of meaning more of like the super zooms for wildlife, the 24-70 2.8. Which of course aren't necessities for an amateur but the crop sensor equivalents are way cheaper typically. But you are right about the 28 and 40. I had the 28 on a recent vacation and it was great. The more I find out about that zf, the more I need it lol
Why would anyone get a super zoom for the Zf body? It’s clearly marketed and designed to be used with small primes @@just_A_Hack Also it’s actual not that much more than the X-T5. And it seems to be built a lot better, if we are to believe the first reviews of it.
@@domtomas1178 I definitely think that it would be much better suited to the smaller primes, but if I'm buying a camera, i want to use it for everything. Just the same way I used a 70-300 on the x-pro 3. It may not be what is best suited for it, but that's the camera I had so it had to be lol. I'm really looking forward to some of the local camera places we have to get them in so I can get a closer look at the zf. Between it and the hopefully x-pro4, it's exciting times
I had a black Nikon FE2 back in the day & I was in love with it, so the Zf retro styling is fine, but I’m not especially worried about retro styling these days, so I would actually prefer to have that Nikon Zf sensor, Exspeed 7 processor, & Zf specifications list inside a D780 or even D3 style body. A 24MP full frame is a sweet spot for me.
The CIPA ratings are 100% false. CIPA said the Nikon Z9 shots are 700 shots, but people are getting over 5,000 shots WITH 8K video shooting. Zf does do 4K/60 at a crop.
I definitely know that now because all the Nikon shooters have been telling me in the comments. 😀📷
It's interesting you call the Fuji sensor "bigger". Obviously the Nikon sensor is bigger and will have better characteristics ( esp for noise ) even if it's less megapixels. I'm happy it is 24mpix honestly. The black and white is actually interesting because the viewfinder switches so you can see in black and white when taking a pic and it still records RAW.
The Nikon certainly looks the part but the pictures are the same as any other Nikon. Fuji have the customisable film simulations which the Nikon does not. The unique look that Fuji brings to the JPEGs is what sets Fuji apart from other camera manufacturers.
Film simulation is good if you shoot in jpeg only…
I shoot with fuji.
Surprisingly when i did blind test with sony canon nikon , i choose nikon on top. Hmmm
Hmmm . . . I’m not sure I agree with you. I shoot both Nikon and Fuji and I actually really, really like the Monochrome picture control from my Z7ii, especially after I tweaked it a bit to look a little more like the new Dramatic Tone Monochrome in the Zf. I love Fuji film sims but one of the reasons that I keep shooting with Nikon is because of the adjustments I can make to the picture controls to get me sumptuous SOOC images just like on my Fuji.
Problem with the XT-5 is there are many Fuji lenses that can not resolve with its sensor. The Nikon will excel over the XT-5 in low light and AF.I'd rather swap a battery than miss because of AF another win for Nikon. I'd take the ZF with the 26mm pancake lens over the X100V any day of the week. Faster AF incredible IBIS the ability to change lenses better EVF better rear screen.
If i don't have any camera yet definitelly will buy nikon ZF. fullframe lowlight capability and autofocus, many dissapointing i had using Fuji in that area. But because already invested in Fuji lense ecosystem, and camera not giving make any money, yeah, i'll stay in Fuji for now.
Many thanks for the comprehensive unbiased comparison!
However I’m not sure why keeping an extra battery or two in your pocket would be a problem and a big reason of concern, if I were a professional photographer I would have extra batteries regardless of either camera
All the very best
From my experience shooting weddings, you always want to minimize anything that might cause you to stop shooting. There's always the fear that you will forget to change the battery and suddenly lose power at a crucial moment. It used to be I could shoot a whole wedding without changing the battery and that was a comfort to me. :)
I think the aps-c Nikon Z fc deserves a mention on price, comparing the aps-c XT5 to the aps-c Nikon Z fc. You are still getting a retro camera at a lot cheaper than the Fuji.
This camera looks amazing, but as a commercial photographer using Fuji, it couldn’t replace my XT5’s for pro work. Reasons: limit of 8000 shutter. This might not seem like a thing, but I do a lot of outdoor events, and sometimes shoot wide open, I use mech/elect shutter and I often need over 8000. Yes I could use an ND, or stop down, but they are two compromises I don’t have to worry about on my XT5. The other reason is the complete lack of custom buttons. Once my XT5 is set up, using custom buttons and the dials, I never have to remove my eye from the viewfinder, let alone go into the menu for anything. This is big when you’re shooting events as the moments happen right in front of you.
Those are my reasons, but if not for those two issues, I would buy this new Nikon as it’s so beautiful!
The Nikon has electronic shutter as well that is faster.
@@BoorayPerry I cannot find the specs but another UA-cam reviewer stated it also only goes to 8000? I think it was Jared Polin. Happy to be corrected, but that’s why I took issue with it
@@danfarmer_photo Mechanical is 1/8000, the same as the XT5. It also has an electronic shutter mode that goes faster.
@@BoorayPerry I think you’re missing my point. Firstly, yes I know the shutter on the XT5, and yes its electronic shutter goes faster to 180,000. But my point was: It was stated from another UA-cam review (Jared Polin) that the electronic shutter on the Nikon ZF also ONLY goes to 8000 no different to the mechanical shutter. He had issues at f1.2 in bright daylight and had to stop down. I was asking you as a reviewer if you know this to be true or not. You’ve said it’s faster, but you’re not confirming if it actually is with any numbers. I went to the Nikons website and it is awful for specs, so people like me, rely on people like you to understand the details. So either you or Jared are correct, and I would just like to understand which is which.
@@danfarmer_photo Okay, got it. You're right that I can't confirm it because I can't find it on the Nikon site either although I feel positive that I saw it somewhere when I was preparing this video. 🙂
I'm a Fuji user and I really like this camera. It's beautiful and I'm tempted. Since Fuji seems to have abandoned the X-Pro line, if they don't announce an X-Pro4 soon, I might go for it. What bothers me is the lack of a joystick at the back, so in case you need to move the focus point you would need to use the touch LCD.This is a missing feature worth mentioning. I like to use the viewfinder and keep the LCD flipped shut on my Xpro3 while shooting, using the joystick to move the focus point. I guess this cannot be done on the Nikon zf sadly. Wish Nikon could also release some lenses with the aperture ring. The 40mm and 28mm SE don't have it.
That IS worth mentioning. Thanks for pointing it out.
Spot on, I’ve also been waiting for the X-Pro to arrive… but this Nikon camera has got my attention. If Fuji doesn’t give us an X-pro soon, I might just pick up a Zf and a Voigtlander lens to pair it with.
@@domtomas1178 ZF and Voigt will pair very nicely. I've found out I can use also the dpad to move the focus point, so now I'm even more tempted to make the preorder of the ZF kit with the 40mm f2 SE. I can even use the tiffen glimmerglass and black pro mist filters I have for my xf 35mm f1.4, since both lenses share same 52mm filter size, perfect! This camera looks simply gorgeous and well built plus it ticks many boxes for me... 8 stops ibis, lcd back panel that you can flip closed shut, retro charm and brass dials, great low light capabilities, great auto focus, great dinamic range, It's perfect for my use case, which is mostly documentary, reportage and travel. As for the lack of native aperture ring lenses, later on I might get a Voigt too or some other third party lens. Manual vintage lenses are a great choice too. In the meanwhile I can program the 40mm lens ring for aperture. Would be perfect for me if Nikon will release a retro 50mm , my favorite focal. But I would keep my Fuji X-Pro 3 alongside the Nikon for the moment and see how it goes.
You can use your finger on the touch screen to move around the focus point 👍
I used to be a Nikon film camera user and then switched to Fuji because I hate the PASM dials. Fuji, however, has been frustrating me to no end with their crappy autofocus and low-light performance (so many soft shots!). I am ordering the Zf and if I don't see as much grain and blurred images, I am sold.
I really tried to love this Nikon but I am failing to see the reason why should I switch from my Fuji. The main big reason is lack of lenses with aperture rings. There are some Voigtlanders but for AF then I would need to add Techart and adapt Leica lenses or Megadap and adapt Sigma primes from Sony but in both cases Z f with adapter is over 900grams so handling without grip will be terrible. Then this vlogging lcd screen on a photo first camera. In Fuji I still find many important pros like: small, light rangefinder line (X-Pro, X-E), color science is the best among all brands, noise has this nice analog feel, small lenses with aperture rings and autofocus.
I'm surprised by how many people live the aperture ring. 📷😀
Seems like most people don’t understand how sensor size works. More pixels just means each pixel in sensor is smaller, as result more noise. So bigger sensor less pixels, means Nikon pixel size is probably 4 times less noisy. Low light dream. Sensors size depends on your needs. We need more pixels mostly for landscape and studio photography, for street or portraits we need less pixels but able to shot in dark conditions.
Been shooting with my (silver) XT-3 since its release and it’s been a great camera, but I just put it up for sale along with my 5 lenses. The Zf is what the XT-5 should be. FF aside it has better stabilization, AF, IQ and overall photo features than XH2 / XH2s while maintaining the retro style of the XT series. Purchased with the 24-70 f4 costs less than XH2s or XT-5 with 16-55 f2.8 and weighs is about the same. I find the B&W switch to be convenient as I’m often switching between monochrome & color while shooting pet portraits, especially during hikes. Also see it being beneficial for street. They do have various B&W styles similar to monochrome, acros, etc and pretty sure you can create your own recipes. Nikon smokes Fuji in the wide zoom, standard zoom, and telephoto categories. Fuji primes are on par / close in IQ to Nikon but way more stylish… although you have unlimited vintage lenses to adapt and fast primes from Voigtlander etc. to match esthetics of the Zf. I’m sick of missing 65% of shots that have any action / movement whatsoever (even when they’re “in focus”) and endless hunting in low light. Apparently the AF in the new bodies aren’t anywhere near Sony, Canon, or Nikon… they also dropped the ball on their odd choice of lens releases, aside from the updated 1.4/1.2 primes which cost 20-40% more than Nikon 1.8 primes. Fuji used to be the best value on the market… now you can get FF for the same price or less, nearly the same weight, and much better performance. It just doesn’t make sense anymore. The Zf is a baby Z8 in a retro style body and I’m all for it. Safe to say it’s the best value on the market today.
I was a Nikon shooter like so many Fuji converts. D2x and all their cameras were APS-C. I shot D100, D200, D300(tech was changing rapidly) Then Nikon almost completely abandoned those cameras, while constantly encouraging users to switch to full frame. I think Nikon sees Fuji as silly consumer cameras and they are competing with that idea, thus the pretty colors. They have made pretty cameras for the style conscious market before and always failed after a few years.
Stabilization on the focus point is not so shocking until somebody says it,how come no one has never done that before it makes perfect sense!
I love everything about the fujis except for the DR. If I meter the grass for middle the grey the clouds should not blow out…but they do. Personally I would have much rather see Fuji increase the DR on the new sensor as opposed increasing the MP. I will def be taking a very close look at the Nikon. I already have a Nikon FM, so it would make a beautiful companion. :-)
Semi-pro, lifetime Nikon shooter, since my F3s back in the 90s. Currently have a Z9, but doing a personal trip to Peru in a couple of weeks, so I've ordered a Z f. Main reason, the Z9 is too heavy, bulky, and damn expensive to take to South America, the Z f excites me as a full frame, Z mount mirrorless that I feel comfortable carrying into the mountains or walking around Lima with that super-lightweight 40mm f/2. And it'll probably inspire me to carry it all the time after I'm back. I'll still use the Z9 for pro shoots, 48 megapixels and battery life of >2500 shots matters, but carry the Z f all the time that I'm not working.
Why are people surprised that Nikon released the retro Zf? They put the Df out there years ago and back then Nikon acknowledged that it was a niche camera to a certain market segment but as Fuji have taken that retro style and run with it Nikon were always going to release the Z version of their Df.
They’re not looking to take on Fuji just looking to ride their wave with a retro camera design that is just a reworking of a body they released a few years ago as a dslr. The surprise is the Zfc as Nikon never bothered with a budget retro dslr.
Problem of the psam "dial" on the zf. It makes the dials uninteresting you can spin the shutter dial as you want, when you are in apperture priority, by accident or you forgot to went to manual or s. Or even sadder, if you knock it to Auto and then wonder why no Dial does anything. It looks great and is surely a great camera but i dont think that it will kill Fuji.
You can also dial in the inbetween 1/3 stops on the front dial, if you choose a shutter speed on the fuji.
I use Nikon D750 and Fuji XS-10. I will buy Zf because of the 3D tracking AF, which XS-10 or later does not offer. As you pointed out that SONY's AF is the best but they do not offer retro style camera. I think currently the Zf's AF is better than Fuji's. I have started taking photo from 1970, therefore, the feeling of dial operation satisfies my interest of shooting.
If anyone should make a retro camera, it's Nikon. Looks like the Nikon cameras I used when I started doing photography. But, there are only two retro looking lenses. If there were more retro lenses I would consider buying the camera. And I wish the lenses had aperture rings. Maybe more will be coming in the future. And I'm not a fan of micro sd cards.
Check out the Voigtlander lenses for Z-mount.
every camera has its own qualities. This is a full frame camera and while X T 5 is not. Ok, lets compare with 50 S II Fujifilm with Nikon then. Fujifilm X T 5 has 180 pixel shift while Nikon 90 Mega pixel shift. Who kills who ? Fujifilm shoots 6 K While Nikon 4 K. SO, both cameras are good in their own way. We should appreciate the retro design in those times and focus in our needs in photography.
For a guy who started photography back in the 60’s with s lot of old F Mount glass this is a camera I have been waiting on.
I use a lot of this glass on my Fujifilm camera but I want a full frame with the manual dials to get the benefits of all my old glass on a full frame.
However I love my Fujifilm camera and it’s not going anywhere.
Interesting camera but I'm DONE with full frame heaviness and size... I am wondering why they aren't providing it in silver/black. Those colors make it look like a toy.
This seems like a comparison without actually using either camera for an extended period of time, and possibly at all. And this is coming from someone who owns a Leica Q2, Fujifilm XH2s, and sold off the GFX 100s to go to the Nikon Z8 - and not because of AF but because of not needing 100mp.
It's not a review. It's a conversation. :)
Battery life, flippy screen, PASM dial, micro SD, etc. I don't have a problem with AF on the Fuji XT5, eye detect works so does tracking, so Sony works a very small fraction of 1 second quicker. One big factor is repair costs should you drop or break your camera. I dropped my XT3, about 5ft on to the pavement 18 months back, the repair cost £180 which includes P+P and insurance there and back. They replaced> the top and bottom plate, the rear screen, cleaned or replaced the sensor. About the same time a friend broke a dial on his Nikon 750, he had to pay the P+P + Insurance both ways and that was added to the repair. The repair cost £400. The last Nikon I had was the 600, bought new, within two weeks it had to go back to Nikon because of the shutter (fault) hence the 610. They knew that shutter would screw up but they kept selling them. I changed to Fuji about a year later. As for Nikon, they can stick their cameras where the monkey sticks its nuts.
The biggest highlight for me in the new NIKON Zf is the possibility to address several full manual lenses to the EXIF. This can only Olympus MFT at these days...
I’m glad you mentioned the lack of a silver finish option on the zf . That would be the dealbreaker for me. I like the silver finish over the black finish. I seriously hope nikon makes a silver option . Doesn’t make any sense that they would exclude the silver finish in the new zf camera. I’ve been waiting for this camera but i won’t be buying it if there is no silver option available . Not interested in the black style body. It would be a huge mistake on Nikon’s part to not offer a silver version as there are a lot of us out there that will not buy this camera if black is the only option offered.
The silver edition will come.
@@_cyclofob8990 No plans to release a silver edition has been officially announced or confirmed by nikon at this time. However, i hope they do release a silver version sooner than later.
It doesn't look like the lens on the Nikon has an aperture ring...so despite all the nice dials you still have to use the viewfinder and a control knob to set the aperture. Big minus compared to the Fuji.
Lol the Nikon does not have a fixed lens, unlike many Fuji’s. You have hundreds of lens to choose from some are gelded (no aperture ring on lens) some are not. I ordered a voigtlander 50mm f1 manual focus with aperture ring amongst others for mine.
@@bradarmstrong7467Fuji has one camera with a fixed lens lol, and also a far more complete lens lineup then the Z mount. The Zf looks fantastic but Nikon needs to make a line of F2 primes that are compact and well built(no plastic mounts please)
Not to mention it still is just a pasm camera with dials for the one mode. The beauty of most Fuji cameras is that they're basically modeless and less abstracted. Set auto on what you want and set explicit values for what you want. It's so much better although Fuji could do work to make it more ergonomic for things like one-handed use in bodies like the XH2(via things like button placement or click to toggle auto on dials). Instead, they just kept the mediocre for everything. Pasm control scheme. My hope is that one day Fuji merges their dedicated dial system with a button-based preset system more like cinema cameras so it plays on both system strengths instead of the mediocrity of PASM.
Olympus OM 35mm slr cameras had a shutter speed ring on the body and aperture rings on the lenses. Miss that.
All Nikons' S-line lenses do have an aperture ring....😊
As a Fuji (and Olympus) user I’m tempted because it’s quite pretty and gives the retro experience, but I don’t see it as a killer (and probably will never buy it) for multiple reasons:
- it’s way more expensive
- I’d have to buy new lenses
- I’d have to lug around big honking lenses
- most Z lenses didn’t have an aperture ring
- the Zf doesn’t have a focus lever (this is minor, but my X-T3 has spoilt me, and I expect better usability in such an expensive camera)
- the eye cup on the Zf is really small, which sucks on sunny days (long live X-T3)
I don't like the looks of the Nikon, too childish. I also prefer the APSC, smaller and lighter lenses. Nikon seems they want to jump on the train of the well thought Fuji system, but they will not achieve the JPEG quality which is the main reason for me why I have the Fujis since 2018. Thanks for the great review, Booray!
Thanks!
If Nikon were able to licence the Kodak name for their own film sims or 'looks', then they would really start tempting away people from Fuji. Hell, even adding the ability to load custom luts and save them into quick access menus or buttons would be insane.
I don't own any Nikon lens so as a hobbyist you stick with what stable of gear you have.... also no aperture ring on lens, PSAM, Micro SD, multiple colors at a certain point trivialize the camera to more of a toy, battery life, screen ... and for me personally I still find my Fuji bodies better looking than this Zf.
You were the only creator who had posted a video with the exact comparison I wanted to hear, and I found it very comprehensive and entertaining! You’ve earned a new sub :)
Well thank you! :)
Very good comparison but one big difference is about the noise on high ISO. With 24 Mpixs on full frame against 40 Mpixs on APS-C, you have far less noise with the Nikon. I am a long time user of Fuji and X-T5 and I own the Nikon Zf. The Nikon is used by low light (up to 14000 is fine). I use it with the 150-600 f5,6-6,5 Sigma. The low noise at ISO 14000 allows me to shoot at 1/500s for wildlife in poor light conditions. I am lucky to own both because the Zf is converging to Fuji with its dials but X-T5 remains lighter and with 40 Mpixs.
…you have far less noise with the Nikon 🫢
I tried the XH2, and this might be a lightroom not doing well with Fuji files problem, but it seemed like the 40MP was way too much for an APSC sensor. Low light was pretty much horrible and things just didn't look sharp to me.
Lightroom indeed still is an issue. C1 is still king, but I prefer Adobe workflow. I've since switched to Sony and I've got my eyes on the ZF.
Confirming my worst fears. Sticking with XT-2 / XT-3
I use both C1 and LR and have done 1,000s of photos on each. LR does a great job most of the time, but after editing thousands of files with it, I find it does have issues rendering Fuji files correctly - sometimes/most of the time, they can look "painterly" and smeary, for lack of a better word, when pixel peeping. I notice it mostly in outdoor shots with lots of grass, foliage, stuff like that in the mid / distant parts of the frame. Indoor portrait type stuff usually looks fine, but fabric textures and other details can look off. If you are sure you nailed focus etc., try using the "enhance details feature". If it is an image shot in broad daylight, set noise reduction to around 10-15 (if not, go a little higher). I don't like leaning on this feature, because the file size triples. But frankly when I do the images are even sharper/more detailed than anything I can get out of C1 or from in-camera JPEGs. LR has been developed around bayer sensors and so far they apparently cannot be bothered to import Xtrans files faithfully. It is a shame because it keeps more photographers locked into literally any other system.
C1 IMO is worse in terms of balancing contrast and noise, at times. It seems to compress JPEGs better - higher quality, smaller file sizes. It seems to pick a sharpness and noise reduction approach and I don't feel I have as much latitude or control over those things as I do with LR. It definitely has a "look" and you notice it when you've been using LR for awhile and switch back (its easy to avoid that look, if you want, by limiting what "auto adjust" is allowed to do). That said I find it easier to balance exposures/midtones and C1 seems a little more faithful to Fuji's film sims. The AI is also a lot harder to use, it is taking me awhile to learn it. But when it went on sale for 50% off for a "perpetual" license, I jumped on it because IMO the workflow is actually better, and it just runs better than LR. I have a powerful computer and LR just runs amazingly bad at times. C1 is almost as powerful and somehow has no issues.
BTW, the 40mp sensor is superior in terms of noise and low-light compared to my 26mp sensor. Once you SCALE the images properly, and, especially if you need to do large prints, more MPs is going to look better, all else equal, even as the ISO gets cranked up.
If you are new to this stuff, try downloading the free version of C1 for Fuji and use that for awhile - it would be a shame to dump the H2 because of LR's problems.
Waited months now and did a lot of reading. The X-H2S is for sale and I'll get the Zf with some select lenses. I do photography for fun and it's time for a great Nikon experience. I'll miss the XH battery life, custom options, and handling. Won't miss some other things. :)
It will absolutely eat into Fuji sales. The last thing I need is another camera, but man, this one looks sooooo cool!!
Hey bud, you said the fuji has a larger sensor because it has 40mp. It appears the full frame nikon has the larger physical sensor size despite its 24mp. Actual sizes are 35.9×23.9 vs 23.5×15.6 respectively. Other than that, good video. Thanks.
You was right abouy retoer photographer using buying this camera. Always was a Nikon owner I almost went with the fuji but decided to wait and now its a battle....
It's a tough choice. :)
Definitely a very nice camera (Nikon Zf) and seems to be priced right at xt5 and xh2 levels. The only thing that Fuji really excels at and what made me a Fuji user is the film simulations and the customization of them. From the initial first looks of the camera (Nikon Zf) and output of the files they look really really good. Major competition for Fuji for sure.
Nikon Picture Control Editor. Has tons of film simulations. And you can always develop the raw files per your taste.
Hi! I am a Nikon shooter, way back in 80's. I also have a, Fuji M-1 for my walk around, travel camera, small & easy to used. I think , I would buy one, if I have the budget. Seems to be a, very good travel camera, smaller than my DSLR & Nikon Z9 &Z 8. (comparing it, in pictures) Price wise, affortable. I do my photography as a hobby. Thanks for your sharing.
I really believe the next set of surprises will come from creatives that embrace the Nikon system. If Nikon develops software at least on desktop that will allow you to create your own film sims will elevate the Z.
After much research I will not be selling my xt5 for the zf . No joystick , weird sd card setup . Just learned today that you have to go into the menues to turn on auto iso . The only reason FF wouldn’t even be appealing to me would for the 2.8 zoom becauee you really loose out with dof being apsc . I can’t even imagine the weight of that camera with a 24-70 . I do like Nikon but this camera isn’t it imo
Wow that PASM leaver - Fuji should shamelessly steal that and stick it on the XT6, or an XH3S (after they dump the useless top screen and bring back the dials)! That is all they really needed for the new XH bodies. IDK if things changed with the XT5, but on my XT3, I've always been able to select a shutter speed on the dial (in full stop increments), and then use the front dial to move it up or down 2/3rds. Fast and easy. At some point, you just use the front dial to change shutter manually, and use the dial when you need a quick manual override (like when, say, wanting to jump back to a flash sync speed). I do this all the time, actually - I might run auto ISO outdoors, if I have the light, and/or auto shutter. But when I'm back inside, I set the ISO with the dial and go back to flash shooting with a twist of a dial or a flick of the command wheel.
Nikon's solution seems worse to me.
Also I would not pick either camera. With no battery grip, I can't slap my zooms and a flash on an XT5 and comfortably shoot an event, or sports, or anything really, comfortably. Unless, of course, I can do it with any of Fuji's amazing little prime lenses (but, then again, the flash on top will still be a horrible ergonomic / balance problem). To me that is a deal breaker. I am also on the fence with regards to the XT5's poor rolling shutter performance. The XT3 is good enough, most of the time, but the 40mp sensor got a lot worse. That's a big hit to sport/action/wildlife shooting, and there is that shallow buffer.
The Nikon is cool, I guess, but there are, what? Two lenses that "fit" the camera? It has the same major ergonomic flaws that the XT5 has if you want to use it as a professional tool, or invest in the very excellent larger lenses either company makes. No aperture rings?
Nikon is clearly ready to gain some market share back, and they are coming for everyone. z8, z6/7iii have my attention. The 1.8 primes are fine by me, and they're cheaper than Fuji primes. The zooms are somewhat affordable. Yup, I don't know where I'd go if not Nikon FF for an "upgrade" (I'm too poor for Canon, and too smart for Sony). Oh, yes I do - Fuji GFX!
Concerning Nikon's battery life with cameras using the EL-15 b/c battery... always rated very conservative. Multiply by a factor of 1,5 and you are in the right ballpark.
No, imo the ZF is nice, but is not a Fujifilm killer. Not only are the controls a bit better on the Fujifilm, their lenses match the retro feel better. The ZF has 2 lenses, which are ok. Imo 😊
Micro SD card issue- I like to save my raw images on one card and jpegs on the other. I’ve heard of photographers storing images on one card and video on the other.
Nice piece overall. Didn’t notice if it was mentioned elsewhere in the comments but the FM2 (and FE series) came out in black and chrome. The FM2T later had a titanium finish. With the Zfc, Nikon didn’t release a black finish at first and now markets one in Japan and in the USA (but only directly from Nikon in the USA.
Also all the dials (including the PASM dial and the option for one-third stop settings) are carryovers from the Df.
Not sure if Nikon is coming at Fuji with this, they’ve all but ceded the DX market to Fuji and Sony. They are shooting for the nostalgia market (like me, to a point) the hipsters with the multi color leatherette, and introducing some trial options.
They may offer a chrome/titanium finish eventually, like they did with the black. The Z6III may be thr Zf tech in the current body (complete with the ability to take a vertical grip).
As I said, overall a nice video.
Thanks! :)
I was always a Nikon shooter (F90x, FM2) during the film days. I switched from Nikon to Fuji 10 years ago, starting with the Fujifinepix S3Pro (it took Nikkor lenses)....because I thought Nikon was sitting on their laurels. Now I feel that Fuji is sitting on THEIR laurels. Not really happy with recent releases. Now thinking of moving back to Nikon and their new full-frame Z series.
As a Nikon and Fuji shooter (Nikon primarily) I will NOT buy this camera for a number of reasons:
I don't believe it has a *functional* grip - if any and for me I need a comfortable vertical grip w/shutter release as well as the added battery.
I own a couple of Z6's and although the AF on the Zf is likely much better I suspect that the overall image quality won't be that much better.
I already own SD, XQD and CF Express cards - WTF is up with the micro SD? I can't even keep track of my car keys half the time let alone something that tiny.
In the end the Zf is like having a full frame, better focusing X-T3/X-T4 with a few bells and whistles minus the nice grip.
I agree with many of your statements, but I honestly don't see the micro SD card being that big of a deal. Since the micro SD is probably going to be used for a backup, in the event main SD card fails, the micro SD card will probably just live inside the camera most of the time without being taken out. It's not ideal and a second full-size slot would have been awesome, but it does make the camera more viable for professional shooters.
Zf Will do 4k@60 in APC crop, and also 'in camera' 10bit/sdr/n-log, also 4K at 30 is sampled from 6K image data
Nikon certainly DID do a silver version of the FM2. Quick edit: My new Zf arrived today so I will be getting to grips with it as soon as possible.
It really depends on what you shoot. ff lenses like the Nikon 26mm, 28mm, 40mm are not that large. Also most newer FF large lenses are not as heavy as the ones from years ago. This body is great for those smaller primes but ergonomics are sacrificed with this body design. I’m in the Tampa area too trying to decide if I’m keeping it