The Decline Has Only Begun for This Cluster of St. Louis Suburbs

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  • St. Louis has its fair share of problems. However, some of the inner ring suburbs also have those same problems. St. Louis used to be one of the nations industrial powerhouses. As those jobs moved however, the city and some of the older suburbs started to see decline. In this video you'll see the suburb of Normandy, along with a handful of other smaller cities that surround Normandy.
    0:00 - 2:46 University of Missouri St. Louis
    2:46 - 5:13 Normandy
    5:13 - 8:40 Pasadena Park and Hills
    8:40 - 13:19 Northwoods
    13:19 - 20:22 Pine Lawn
    20:22 - 21:30 Beverly Hills
    21:30 - 24:13 Velda City
    24:13 - 24:45 Hillsdale
    24:45 - 26:07 Normandy High School
    26:07 - 29:42 Wellston
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  • @ChrisHarden
    @ChrisHarden  Рік тому +2

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    • @Powertuber1000
      @Powertuber1000 7 місяців тому

      Everybody, afraid to say what all these areas have in common😮

  • @craiggillett5985
    @craiggillett5985 Рік тому +21

    Pasadena hills is gorgeous. Hello from New Zealand.

    • @user-we1te5pz2g
      @user-we1te5pz2g 9 місяців тому +3

      You just have to run a gauntlet to get in and out of it safely!

  • @Powertuber1000
    @Powertuber1000 7 місяців тому +9

    Everybody, afraid to say what all these areas have in common.

    • @fishpotpete
      @fishpotpete 5 місяців тому +2

      So why don't you tell us...

    • @Powertuber1000
      @Powertuber1000 5 місяців тому +1

      @@fishpotpete Because of YT censoring

  • @IHateMyAccountName
    @IHateMyAccountName 11 місяців тому +10

    The money and population went to St Charles, South County, Edwardsville, St Peter's and Wentzville.

  • @sssc1955
    @sssc1955 Рік тому +23

    My mom grew up in Wellston. It started going downhill in the very early 1960s. When I would go spend the night at my grandmothers, it never failed to see a burning house or two. Owners would burn them down for the insurance. I hated going to Wellston, who, by the way, had its own high school until the population and horrible ratings for the district forced it to close.

    • @user-du3vo5ld2j
      @user-du3vo5ld2j Рік тому +5

      Exactly. A decent family with jobs and hopes for a better life buys a house for 100k, over the decades the neighborhood 'declines' and 20 years later the house is worth 40k and they still owe 60k. So yes, burn it down get the insurance which is 175k, they move and process starts all over again.

    • @danielmorse4213
      @danielmorse4213 11 місяців тому +4

      Just say what the dark elephant in the room is!

    • @SR-dq8fb
      @SR-dq8fb 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@danielmorse4213😂

    • @poetcomic1
      @poetcomic1 9 місяців тому +1

      Wellston was a booming shopping district and one of the 'streetcar suburbs' that was the first suburban explosion outside the city.

    • @seantyler7401
      @seantyler7401 8 місяців тому

      Wellston it’s terribly dangerous now. My grandfather worked at a TV repair shop before going to Washington University STL. I’m from STL and still live hear. It’s not getting better

  • @shelbyz1974
    @shelbyz1974 Рік тому +6

    Nice older homes in Pasadena Hills. Not surprised they are on the historical register. TY for the tour Chris!👍

  • @charleykeenan6171
    @charleykeenan6171 Рік тому +2

    Great way to cap off my week! Thanks Chris and hope things are going well for you guys, always appreciate a new episode!

  • @galactose1
    @galactose1 Рік тому +5

    Your expertise is always appreciated. Thanks for your continual hard work and effort put into your videos.

  • @kylemuldrow4652
    @kylemuldrow4652 Рік тому +5

    Thank you for starting this video with my alma mater!! I graduated in 1986 and the sports teams were known as the Rivermen and Riverwomen back then. Great memories of my 4 years there! Sad, however, what's happened to most of the cities nearby. Keep up the great work, Chris!

  • @craignovy2090
    @craignovy2090 Місяць тому +1

    OMG this expert video and commentary evaluated an extremely complex place in under 30 minutes! I know very little about the St. Louis metro, now at least I know something very interesting. I really have to salute you Chris for integrating all these places into a coherent whole. What an incredible eye and mind you have.

  • @michaelchappell902
    @michaelchappell902 Рік тому +9

    I remember this area well. In the late 1970's and early 1980's my wife taught and coached women's Sports at UMSL and we lived across the street in some Apt Complex in Normandy and I drove those streets. I was working at Norwest Plaza at the time. It has really gone down hill since then.

    • @voltages
      @voltages 10 місяців тому +1

      amazing man. I was born here as everything went to shit and constantly find myself envious of the people who got to see it in the prime.

    • @kylemuldrow4652
      @kylemuldrow4652 7 місяців тому

      Which sports did she coach? I was public address announcer for women's basketball 1983-86

    • @michaelchappell902
      @michaelchappell902 7 місяців тому +1

      @@kylemuldrow4652 She was the Assist Softball coach Assist Basketball coach, under Coach Sanchez and did coach a game when Coach Sanchez got hurt, worked with the Field Hockey Team and the Cheerleaders. This was besides her job as the Assist Intermureal Director. She was only there from Fall 1978 until Spring of 1982. Them she got a job at the University of Kansas in Lawrence.

    • @kylemuldrow4652
      @kylemuldrow4652 7 місяців тому

      @@michaelchappell902 That's totally cool! I started at UMSL in Fall 1982 and wrote sports for the UMSL Current during my freshman year. By that time, Mike Larson had become the women's basketball and softball coach. I think UMSL dropped field hockey by the time I started going there. I had a great 4 years at UMSL, but even then the area near UMSL was getting shady. I can just imagine what it's like now, but I'll always love that school.

  • @SmokingCats
    @SmokingCats Рік тому +5

    Pasadena Hills used to be home to quite a few Cardinal baseball players.

  • @user-hb3co5lj4m
    @user-hb3co5lj4m 10 місяців тому +1

    Very nice Thank you so much!!

  • @frankwoods4532
    @frankwoods4532 Рік тому +2

    Viewing your work just makes my day. I love the ride along. well, that's what It feels like to me. Being able to see places I wouldn't see on my own. In this video I really like the first part with the nicer houses. Keep up the great work. I'll be waiting for more of your work and Thanks again.

    • @ChrisHarden
      @ChrisHarden  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for the kind words Frank, always appreciated!

    • @frankwoods4532
      @frankwoods4532 Рік тому

      @@ChrisHarden Your welcome!

  • @joannunemaker6332
    @joannunemaker6332 Рік тому +2

    Great video!

  • @cathieknight7464
    @cathieknight7464 Рік тому +6

    I'm a famous Normandy alum 😂, ok maybe not famous but I did go to Normandy all four years of HS. I lived in a little unincorporated city just south of Bel-Ridge and North of the Rock Road..I walked a lot of the area you drove.
    Going to Normandy was so unfortunate, we had so few resources. We have so many cemeteries in Normandy and that just doesn't bring in a lot of tax revenue. We only got yearbooks our senior year. We never had home football games or track events because our field and track were shit.
    We used to have a building with a pool in it. When I had gym class my freshman year and had swimming, I was the only one who knew how to swim, so my teacher taught me diving and flipping off the diving board.
    We used to have barb-wire on top of the fence that surrounded the campus. One day the principal came and visited with the excellerated classes to get feedback from us on school improvements. We wanted the barb-wire gone and it did come down. I have heard that metal detectors were installed a few years after I graduated, so I'm surprised to see it is still gone.
    It may have been a rough school with few resources but I have fond memories, there were plenty of good students!

    • @blueskye991178
      @blueskye991178 Рік тому +1

      I also graduated from Normandy. We still had a open campus. Indoor pool and track and field. At that time we had the track redone and it was one of the better ones in the area. I lettered all my 3 years there in track basketball and softball. I really miss those times. I think it was east hall that all the seniors got the primo locker spots in 😊.

    • @kylemuldrow4652
      @kylemuldrow4652 5 місяців тому

      What year did you graduate?

  • @philiptuths3747
    @philiptuths3747 Рік тому +20

    I enjoy your videos Chris but lumping Pasadena Hills in with the other communities under “the decline has just begun” does a disservice to a wonderful and historic community with great people. I’ve been there several times visiting from Boston and it’s a really great collection of homes in a park like setting. Very unique. Deserves its own video feature!

    • @ChrisHarden
      @ChrisHarden  Рік тому +3

      Hmm.

    • @dalepxp8963
      @dalepxp8963 Рік тому

      This how callybozo looked at one time too Phil, sorry, but until the democrats are out of office, and out for good, look at every single place in the USA going down, until we finally remove the democrats. It’s just the facts.

    • @georgeokello8620
      @georgeokello8620 Рік тому +4

      As a long time resident of St. Louis since 2005, I live in Central West End and Pasadena Hills is just a place meant for old folks that are generally well of that don’t have to worry about future prospects of business expansion and improving schools.
      Pasadena Hills is a legitimate decline as it’s s place you just cannot legitimately sell as “highly prospective” to middle 30s established high income millennial that wants to permanently settle with family. You have to assess the neighborhood from the prospective of the new generation and there are better alternative places than Pasadena Hills like Ballwin, the west side of Chesterfield, Weldon Springs which have far better school districts and are not even close to high crime rate areas.

    • @georgeokello8620
      @georgeokello8620 Рік тому

      This is also not mentioning slow down in expanding new long term job ecosystem with improved infrastructure that accommodates middle income ppl as homeless rates are steadily rising. Unless STL commits to a serious infrastructural change with a free high rise out west in chesterfield and Creve Ceour area to address increasing property prices via supply shortages, the decline in most of STL will steadily progress upward.

    • @jamie49868
      @jamie49868 10 місяців тому

      Nice place for sure. But, where do you shop? What do you drive through to get there? I remember a bunch of GM execs living there, back when the surrounding areas weren't crime ridden cesspools. How long can it hold out? A decade at best.

  • @dylwes
    @dylwes 11 місяців тому +5

    Having worked at Normandy high school doing repair work I can say that every morning on the loud speaker they speak about victimhood and division. It’s a real shithole.

    • @ChrisHarden
      @ChrisHarden  11 місяців тому

      That’s a shame

    • @dylwes
      @dylwes 11 місяців тому +1

      A shame is right. Instead of teaching self reliance. They have white liberals teaching them they are victims and are different from others. I see it as another way to keep these people in the plantation and not grow as a society. If you blame others your whole life you will continue down that path generation after generation. Not to mention that the government incentivizes single parent homes.

  • @kennetho5393
    @kennetho5393 Рік тому

    Thanks much Chris.

  • @charlieharper4975
    @charlieharper4975 Рік тому +5

    Bad? I expected Detroit, Baltimore or LA. They look like bombed out Zombie land. These 'bad' homes are clean, well manicured and well maintained. The streets are clean as are the cars. There's no graffiti. I only saw one home that was boarded up. Just from the visuals I would live there.

    • @nasnas6867
      @nasnas6867 Рік тому +5

      Shid dont believe the hype he's not going to the hoods. North, west, and South side, i just moved my family to Texas coming from the north after 41yrs we made it out 🙏🏽thank u GOD.

  • @sssc1955
    @sssc1955 Рік тому +12

    It was a great place to grow up in the 50s and 60s. Moved away in 1972. Last time I went there in 1994, my car was surrounded by some rough looking teenagers. I told them I was scouting g a location for a movie and if they wanted to be in it as extras to leave me their names and numbers. Some actually did. Hahaha

    • @jphickory522
      @jphickory522 11 місяців тому +2

      Smart move

    • @meredithroman3212
      @meredithroman3212 8 місяців тому +1

      Smart Move, Brilliant Move!

    • @sssc1955
      @sssc1955 7 місяців тому

      Yeah. Had to do something. We had moved from California to Indiana for a few years so I had California license plates still. And I always was a bit of an actress. hahaha. I grew up in Northwoods and had the best childhood there. Northwoods was still holding its own in '94 - houses well kept, still charming. I google earthed it a few months ago and am surprised how many houses have burnt to the ground. @@meredithroman3212

  • @TomMcBoston
    @TomMcBoston Рік тому +3

    All these tiny cities! The first few cities you showed were quite nice actually.

  • @plausibleg.3170
    @plausibleg.3170 11 місяців тому +3

    The "Decline" has begun in St. Charles and St. Peters as well. Try exposing the etiology of it all as this has already been calculated and documented.

  • @rerewiese4470
    @rerewiese4470 9 місяців тому

    I grew up in Wellston, I loved it. Went to Spensmar grade school, and Wellston Jr. High( the old high school). We moved in 1963. Back then it was a great place to grow up!

  • @bluesky5384
    @bluesky5384 11 місяців тому

    I went to UMSL from 2010-2012. The campus is about the extent of my knowledge of this area. I currently live south of the city in the county. I believe you e already covered my area I grew up in and live in now.

  • @PeteNice29
    @PeteNice29 11 місяців тому +2

    That entire area is to be avoided, unless you want to be carjacked.

  • @wolfy33789
    @wolfy33789 23 дні тому

    What was the song you played in the video when you went through Northwoods?

  • @33Donner77
    @33Donner77 Рік тому +3

    Thanks. Today, Normandy School District is essentially babysitting with two free meals a day. People move out to get to "better" schools, and think they will be accomodated more than others due to historic racism. When they finally reach the Pattonville School District, they discover that Pattonville students represent 57 countries and 42 languages, but some still demand special treatment above the rest of the students. Pattonville is not a magic building with magic students and teachers. It's hard work and achievement. That's what the Normandy School District needs, but if they can't do it, then the Normandy District suburbs will loose population that should move across the U.S. for easy assimilation.

    • @kylemuldrow4652
      @kylemuldrow4652 7 місяців тому

      In addition, the Normandy School District lost its state accreditation several years ago (as did Riverview Gardens). Jennings district is on a provisional accreditation. Wellston had its own school district into the 1990s but finally closed it and it got absorbed into Normandy...which was not an improvement...

  • @maggiemonroe7299
    @maggiemonroe7299 11 місяців тому +1

    Nice looking homes and lawns tho.

  • @sully0001
    @sully0001 7 місяців тому +1

    The population has been in decline, as crime has increased. Grew up in St Louis, UMSL and SLCC Florissant became more and more daunting to attend

  • @AwesomeIsMyMotto
    @AwesomeIsMyMotto 11 місяців тому +1

    Interesting video. The use of AAVE at 22:34 and change to a hip hop styled beat really rubbed me the wrong way.

  • @pamh.5705
    @pamh.5705 Рік тому +5

    Have you considered doing a piece on the overall number of individually governed cities in St.L.County?
    I read somewhere, years ago, that the number of cities is quite high.
    I don't think most people know there are so many!
    I'm curious as to how the area broke up into so many separate towns!

    • @ChrisHarden
      @ChrisHarden  Рік тому +1

      Maybe, that would be a good video topic

    • @pamh.5705
      @pamh.5705 Рік тому

      @@ChrisHarden I hoped it was a good suggestion. 😉

    • @pamh.5705
      @pamh.5705 10 місяців тому +3

      @@drh3b I just did a quick search, from what I found there are 91 municipalities in the county.
      You were right on it.

  • @Pov-Mars
    @Pov-Mars Рік тому +4

    Can you do Maryland heights next!!

  • @mgk920
    @mgk920 Рік тому +14

    I don't know when. But the only option that I see for the long-term future is for Saint Louis City and Saint Louis County to be merged into a single municipality

    • @jphickory522
      @jphickory522 11 місяців тому

      Both the city and county run by political hacks and idiots. It will take an entire change in governance for positive change to occur.

    • @PeteNice29
      @PeteNice29 11 місяців тому +3

      The county already funds the city in so many ways. But yes, that needs to happen with the seat firmly located in the county. The city has largely proven itself, outside of sports, to be incompetent and decades behind comparable cities.

    • @Stephen-mw8ze
      @Stephen-mw8ze 11 місяців тому +2

      No

    • @michaeldavis3430
      @michaeldavis3430 11 місяців тому +1

      In 1875, the city of St. Louis basically said to the county (which wanted to merge together) that it didn't need the county. The city's short sightedness has finally come to fruition, and merging the city and county will not help the city in any way. It will only serve as a massive burden to the infrastructure of the county.

    • @johnreitz5676
      @johnreitz5676 11 місяців тому

      Dream on...

  • @debofiveklub7804
    @debofiveklub7804 7 місяців тому

    Wow Pasadena Hills is nice. It reminds me of parts of U. City..

  • @hydroy1
    @hydroy1 5 місяців тому +2

    I was born & raised in St. Louis county in the 50s. In the 70s & 80s Wellston was run by the Black Panthers at gun point. If you were white, you were as good as dead in any part of Wellston or Kinlock, & Robenson and you knew better then to go there. They killed off many of their own population and even up into the early 2000s Wellston was always very dangerous. When NAFTA hit this country in 76 the St. Louis area lost much of it's tax base as industry & the population closed up and left. By the mid 80s it was a ghost town. They still have no industry there and the last time I went up there to visit my parents grave in 2007, I had my own armed guards watching my back side as the gangs are still in charge in St. Louis and well remain so for as long as I live. Bottom line, St. Louis is dead, STAY OUT is the waring.

  • @LongNguyen-ho9qf
    @LongNguyen-ho9qf Рік тому +1

    This area looks really pretty

  • @whitneymoore9814
    @whitneymoore9814 6 місяців тому

    Hello Chris, where is the location of the photo that you used as your thumbnail?

  • @thomasmckinney9091
    @thomasmckinney9091 Місяць тому

    Used to attend church in pine lawn when i was little. Have you ever traveled down goodfellow and rosevelt

  • @Jay-gs5xg
    @Jay-gs5xg 9 місяців тому +1

    I wouldn’t in a million years live in any neighborhood in the Normandy school district. The crime in those areas, and near by areas, is way too bad for me. Those areas are turning into real shit holes.

  • @1honeychild
    @1honeychild 9 місяців тому +1

    My old stumping grounds.I left in 96 for hazelwood then moved to GA in 2016 never been better. I'll never return to this dilapidated depressed city.

  • @jetsons101
    @jetsons101 Рік тому +10

    Pasadena Hills, like you said. has some outstanding looking homes. I bet because of their age, a 2x4 is really a 2x4 and not 1.5″ x 3.5″ when they were built. The image at 7:11 could be a postcard. It's time to start voting for people who will work at getting jobs back and putting the voters/taxpayers ahead of themselves. Thanks for posting, have a great day.

    • @domcizek
      @domcizek Рік тому

      ITS HARD TO GET JOBS BACK, BUT I BET YOU DID NOT KNOW THAT AMERICAS BIRTH RATE IS GOING DOWN SINCE 1940, AMERICAN WOMEN ARE ONLY HAVING 1.7 BABIES PER WOMEN, THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN ANY CULTURE OR ECONOMY, , THIS IS THE PROBEM AROUND THE WORLD, ITALY IS NOW GIVING AWAY HOUSES AND 30 K JUST TO GET PEOPLE TO MOVE THERE AND HAVE CHILDREN, AND IN AMERICA SEVERAL STATES WILL PAY YOUR MOVING EXPENSES IF YOU WILL MOVE TO THEIR STATE TO WORK, IN THE LONG RUN, IT TAKES PEOPLE TO MAKE BUSINESS AND WORK IN THE FACTORIES, THE ONLY SAVIOR WILL BE ALL THE IMMAGRENTS COMING ACCROSS THE BOARDER, TO WORK IN THE FIELDS, AND FACTORIES IN AMERICA, REMEMBER, AMERICA WAS MADE BY IMMAGRENTS AND WILL AGAIN, BE MADE BY IMMAGRENTS

    • @thomasschreiber9559
      @thomasschreiber9559 Рік тому +1

      Square nails?

    • @jetsons101
      @jetsons101 Рік тому

      @@thomasschreiber9559 Some of the really early homes probably do. Good call.

    • @robotbuster1487
      @robotbuster1487 Рік тому +1

      Those Pasadena Hills homes are well made, so much so they are a pain to remodel. 20 years ago, as a residential electrician, I was assigned to do a service upgrade on one. Then I had to fish new Romex and MC cable through the lath and plastered walls, and phase out the old Knob & Tube wiring that was the standard in the late 1920s and 30s.
      About the lumber, it was local oak, and oak after sitting in a wall for 60 years gets hard as a rock. Hard to drill holes for cable to pass through. Its very, very difficult to hammer Thiel staples to fasten the cabling to the studs and joists.
      People want their 3 wire grounded receptacles for kitchen appliances, computers, bathroom GFI receptacles, etc. but dont like the sticker shock of what the electrical contractor want$ to be paid do the upgrades.

    • @jetsons101
      @jetsons101 Рік тому

      @@robotbuster1487 You sound like a fellow electrician......

  • @gregorycyr9272
    @gregorycyr9272 Рік тому +1

    I live in Raleigh NC and was going to move to St Louis back in 1999.I heard it is a strong union area for construction.

    • @gregorycyr9272
      @gregorycyr9272 Рік тому

      @@ChrisSchneiderx How many years you have to work to get a pension?

    • @jphickory522
      @jphickory522 11 місяців тому

      Unfortunately, the unions support the same Democrat politicians that are responsible for the decline of these areas.

  • @missyanndavenport3745
    @missyanndavenport3745 Рік тому +1

    Beyond Housing, Inc. which is actually in this video, and services this region needs your help in improving these areas with our 24:1 initiatives!

  • @CAROLDDISCOVER-FINDER2525
    @CAROLDDISCOVER-FINDER2525 Рік тому +1

    Interesting how we've let the blight of the city just keep expanding out. Now that can be said about Saint Louis Detroit Kansas City and a whole host of other cities. Just not concern as a whole was what's going on until it comes up and bites us. Eventually it does because the blight continues to expand outward. Ironically had chance to go to UMSL. Basically live free. It was little bit far away from home but your relatives nearby at the time. One of them had passed on and I was fond of them and they were fond of me. Freehouse and property and it was little bit farther out but I could pretend I'm so been in district and everything else. But how good of a spill do you think I'm so really was? We can let other people answer that. But I went to a better school far away. They had left her home to me with one stipulation that I live in it for five years. Otherwise it was to be sold and the proceeds go to there more immediate relatives. Well they got the money 💰. There's not a lot to be said good about St Louis Kansas City Springfield Missouri. Crime and blight. Pretty much takes care of the major cities in Missouri except for maybe Columbia. I don't know a lot about it.

  • @johnreitz5676
    @johnreitz5676 Рік тому +2

    At one time, the Normandy school district was one of the best in the St. Louis area.

  • @AlexanderWaylon
    @AlexanderWaylon Рік тому +1

    Nice work. I wonder where it is that all these people go?

    • @ChrisHarden
      @ChrisHarden  Рік тому +1

      If they're staying in the area they're likely just continuing to head west.

    • @jKLa
      @jKLa Рік тому

      Some have also headed to Jefferson County to the South but mostly further west and northwest, often leapfroging to St. Charles County or out to exurbia.

  • @prozacgod
    @prozacgod 10 місяців тому +2

    Top it all off with a good ole' heapin' helpin' of horribly over-enforced road ordinances, and speed traps through ALL of these suburbs,... and I don't even like driving through those places feel like I'm constantly on edge waiting for a cop to come bust out my taillight.

  • @weepair2
    @weepair2 Рік тому

    Some good, some bad. Would I like to live there? Not a chance!

  • @bobmackay3414
    @bobmackay3414 Рік тому +2

    There are subdivisions that are larger than these cities.

  • @edwardmiessner6502
    @edwardmiessner6502 Рік тому +1

    It's sad that these suburbs are declining and Pasadena Park and Hills are just hanging on, the same for Normandy and Northwoods (decent working class communities), while the rest the decline seems to have accelerated. Why is it that in the Midwest the blight is allowed to spread out into the suburbs instead of being solved in the center city? The more the suburbs fall to blight, the more likely the whole metro area will fail.

    • @FayTown82
      @FayTown82 Рік тому +1

      Blame America for sending the jobs that helped these areas grow, Over seas to increase profits!

  • @alejandroalvarado0180
    @alejandroalvarado0180 Рік тому +6

    Don't see the decline. The area looks good.

  • @XRP-Mill
    @XRP-Mill 11 місяців тому +3

    Hate to be truthful.. Its white flight.. everyone went to st Charles and west.. And its happening again...

  • @Fly420
    @Fly420 Рік тому +2

    Good one! I lived on Wabada for a short time in 1953. By 1965 gangs had taken over Wellston and the few remaining white folks were persecuted out. It may as well be North St Louis.

  • @user-wm1js2no9x
    @user-wm1js2no9x 7 місяців тому

    I grew up in jennings moved there in1965 when i was 5 back then it was a nice place, it had RIVER ROADS MALL, NORTHLAND MALL then the white flight hit, now i live in FLORISSANT watching the white flite again,OH WELL😢

  • @annstillwell730
    @annstillwell730 2 місяці тому

    I drove through pinelawn not too long ago and drove the other way. Not looking goo at all.

  • @louislamonte334
    @louislamonte334 Рік тому +1

    Hopefully like the dying shopping malls they fostered suburbia is on a steep decline. Suburbia is unsustainable, completely auto and truck centered and dependent and a very poor use of land. Like shopping malls I have no sympathy for suburbia!

  • @soldiermedic81
    @soldiermedic81 8 місяців тому +6

    we know why.

  • @christianvidal1088
    @christianvidal1088 Рік тому

    Sad to see the US has given up on whole regions

  • @matthewjones7935
    @matthewjones7935 6 місяців тому

    I miss Pasadena hills. The insides of the homes are amazing. Dated a woman from there, lost her to suicide. 😢

  • @davidhurt1579
    @davidhurt1579 Місяць тому

    There ought to be a law against naming a public structure (school, highway) after a present day politician.

  • @Denrite007
    @Denrite007 Рік тому +2

    White flighters will find this video a convenient reference. Fat cats passed their country club off on the state of Missouri. That was the transaction by wealthy people to abandon north county in favor of west county.

  • @colddeadhands5167
    @colddeadhands5167 Місяць тому

    There's a common denominator with all these communities' downfall

  • @soco13466
    @soco13466 4 місяці тому

    Lots of brick homes. If the New Madrid fault lets go, they're rubble. I once drove west od St Louis. I noticed upthrusts or whatever they call them. The land looks torn in places.

  • @chicagonorthcoast
    @chicagonorthcoast Рік тому

    Normandy was a slum by 1980. Pasadena Hills was still beautiful, but the rest here, like Wellston, were the pits in the 1970s. All the north suburbs of that city were very deteriorated and dropping in value rapidly ere I left St Louis in 1987.

  • @alona724
    @alona724 11 місяців тому +1

    This is depressing. 😢

  • @jeffreyplank8178
    @jeffreyplank8178 11 місяців тому +1

    Why does no one want to admit the obvious that the demographic change occurred after the closing of the projects in the late 60s and the moved all section 8 houses to north county

    • @jeffreyplank8178
      @jeffreyplank8178 11 місяців тому

      By demographic I mean north city black people moved in

  • @benmcreynolds8581
    @benmcreynolds8581 Рік тому +1

    It baffles me. Even tho Society is struggling, We are yet to even attempt to implement: "The concept around: The better off the lowest income living people are doing; The better the entire rest of our countries economy could be doing." -Think of it like a ecosystem in nature. The least important little things might seem meaningless and insignificant yet, if they crumbled away, the entire ecosystem would crumble. The last things remaining would be the top diverse predators that eat everything else.. until they eat each other.. leaving just a few top sharks in the ecosystem.. the whales would all be gone once the plankton crumble away, the sharks would eat the whales. Then once all that's left is sharks, the sharks would eat the sharks. *(Think of this but as a analogy for our economy and our modern day society..)
    If we instead decided to support the lowest people in the ecosystem, there would be a beneficial systematic dispersion towards other aspects of society benefiting. All because the lowest people would be flourishing. I say flourish but I really just mean, able to obtain the most basic essential living standards... Yet even that would Vastly improve our current state of our economy & society *Also imagine this analogy in our economy. The more help we invest in the lowest level people, the more it would trickle into every facet of our economy. If poor people can pay their rent & not go homeless: landlords would get $, businesses would get $, banks would get $, local small shops would get $, mortgages & bills could be paid, insurance companies would get $, Taxes would get $, So essentially that $ would go out & filter right back in to improve our Country while simultaneously improving our quality of Life. Every bit of the economy would somehow find a way to benefit off of this situation... I don't get why we haven't even Given it a chance?? If it doesn't help? Then by all means stop it and figure out what problems we could be facing might be one's that run way deeper than expected and that would take drastic changes to improve that situation... (I hope we TRY something soon, before things get any more unstable. The worst thing we could do is continue on doing exactly what we are currently doing. It might get to a point where overcoming our struggles could simply become a pipedream. I don't want it to get to that)

    • @ChrisHarden
      @ChrisHarden  Рік тому +2

      I agree that if poor people could move up in life that our economy would be that much better. What people disagree on in this country (and a huge reason as to why our country is so divided) is how exactly we should go about solving that problem. It’s an extremely hard problem to solve.

  • @user-ys6nw5ju9j
    @user-ys6nw5ju9j 11 місяців тому

    Shooting straight oops maybe poor choice of word 100 percent agree

  • @Henry_Jones
    @Henry_Jones Рік тому +2

    Bring back the old hood music!

  • @bondpit8750
    @bondpit8750 Рік тому +5

    Normandy still looks like it is a decent enough area on the video. Let me guess, the majority population remaining is a certain minority that those who have moved away, don’t want to be around. I wonder why that is?

    • @jasoncarr5379
      @jasoncarr5379 Рік тому +1

      That's for sure!

    • @MrDEWaters
      @MrDEWaters Рік тому

      It is known as "white flight"--and yes, it is the result of racism. It occurs in all American cities. Once a suburb's population becomes mostly Black, the white people usually take off for suburs elsewhere. Some suburbs maintain integrated neighborhoods, but it is an exception to the rule. Should all neighborhoods be integrated, or is it OK to have Black neighborhoods that are separate from White neighborhoods? There are many questions regarding urban geography.

    • @kennetho5393
      @kennetho5393 Рік тому +11

      ​@@MrDEWatersIs it really racism or is it fair to say a sharp rise in crime is why people flee? I can't imagine why anyone would be happy with violence and crime.

    • @MrDEWaters
      @MrDEWaters Рік тому +1

      @@kennetho5393 That's a good point. Maybe the crime rate has to do with proximity to seriously-depressed areas in North St. Louis.

    • @kennetho5393
      @kennetho5393 Рік тому +3

      ​@@MrDEWatersIt's truly sad and there's plenty of evidence that racism in the past has caused much of these issues with housing and neighborhoods. To me and likely most people nowadays, race has nothing to do with people fleeing. Personally, I want a safe neighborhood and good schools and that is what would cause me to leave.

  • @user-du3vo5ld2j
    @user-du3vo5ld2j Рік тому +2

    America seems to be in serious decline. They are lowering standards for all occupations to accommodate the decline.

  • @garydean0308
    @garydean0308 11 місяців тому

    Yeah, you don't hang around on Goodfellow.

  • @rosalindalay4499
    @rosalindalay4499 11 місяців тому +1

    Sad. Needs lots of help..

  • @theycallmemr.bigchest3203
    @theycallmemr.bigchest3203 9 місяців тому +1

    Nothing is basically in STL limits you silly goose.

  • @kingbradentucky
    @kingbradentucky Рік тому +2

    Almost all suburbs will decline. Damn near every one of them is fiscally unsustainable and do not even bring on enough revenue for basic infrastructure maintenance. It is the ugly secret no one wants to admit b/c so many folks love living in suburbia.

    • @ChrisHarden
      @ChrisHarden  Рік тому +1

      Not sure if I agree with that. If the money stays in the suburbs then the suburbs will last and be fiscally stable. If the money leaves and goes back into the city or further out into the country to create new suburbs, than the original suburbs won't last.
      However, despite what you saw in this video, there are still many older suburbs that are still full of wealth and are doing just fine.

    • @Tampa0123456789
      @Tampa0123456789 Рік тому +2

      Suburbs are a slick ponzi scheme. In Florida every Suburbs has a life span because in Florida we never stop building ever. So there is always a newer fancier Suburbs. I live in the fancier part of town but iam an hour from downtown. I have lived long enough to know that in few years there will be yet another new hot area constructed 😂😂😂.

    • @perfectallycromulent
      @perfectallycromulent Рік тому

      that's not how suburbs work in the northeast. we have suburbs older than the USA itself here in the boston area that have been pretty nice places to live for that whole time. you will find the same in NY, NJ, PA etc.

    • @brianmiller5444
      @brianmiller5444 7 місяців тому

      @@perfectallycromulentWell if you look at property tax rates e’s in Massachusetts…. the mill rate in affluent Newton was 5 times the rate in California!!!

    • @perfectallycromulent
      @perfectallycromulent 7 місяців тому

      @@brianmiller5444 so what? who cares what newton's property tax is, what does that have to do with anything? why didn't you tell me about somerville or salem instead? their tax rates seem equally irrelevant.

  • @mbatchelor
    @mbatchelor Рік тому +1

    There are some beautiful homes in that area, it fell victim to the segregation of the St Louis area. All of those suburbs are 90%+ African American. Schools there lost their accreditation a few years ago, a lot of those little towns have had corruption for years. I really don't know of any other metro area in the country as segregated as St Louis; of course there are African Americans and other minorities across the area, but the poor ones seem to be mostly lumped into North StL City and North StL County - especially the far north parts bordering the City of StL.

    • @ChrisHarden
      @ChrisHarden  Рік тому +3

      I used to think that Detroit was the most segregated region in the country, but after going through St. Louis and learning about the area I don’t think that anymore.

    • @ninaelle2003
      @ninaelle2003 10 місяців тому

      ​@@ChrisHardenthe delmar divide is an excellent example of how segregated st Louis is.

  • @danielmorse4213
    @danielmorse4213 11 місяців тому

    I see lots of empty store fronts

  • @landhorses
    @landhorses Рік тому

    “Mean Streetz” is better than “Evil Streets.”

    • @ChrisHarden
      @ChrisHarden  Рік тому

      Haha you think? I think I like both equally.

  • @TrilithiumBanditKelsey
    @TrilithiumBanditKelsey 9 місяців тому

    I dunno... I think we as Americans are going to have to learn to live with this; all the new Up & Coming developments will price most of us out. They say there's a housing shortage, 'Inventory is low', yada, yada, yada. There's no housing shortage... they're all over the place! What there is a shortage of is Vision. These towns die because of the hurney-hurney and derpity-derp, on their hands and knees, offering a tax-free pass for that Amazon warehouse.

  • @asmartrock9776
    @asmartrock9776 8 місяців тому

    Check out East St. Louis. East of the river lol

  • @discordmarauder
    @discordmarauder 11 місяців тому

    You skipped over some of the prettiest houses in Pasadena hills

  • @user-hb3co5lj4m
    @user-hb3co5lj4m 10 місяців тому

    I did'nt want to complain but maybe the music could not be so ominous

  • @gregb6469
    @gregb6469 Рік тому +2

    Your response to violent crime is to drink shakes, work out, and take boxing lessons? Are you joking? How about buying a gun, seeing as anyone breaking in is likely to be packing. What good is a nice left jab when the perp is ten feet away from you and holding a pistol?

    • @ChrisHarden
      @ChrisHarden  Рік тому +1

      Yes. Fight like a man, Greg.

    • @gregb6469
      @gregb6469 Рік тому +2

      @@ChrisHarden -- You bring your fists to a gunfight, and all you will end up doing is occupying a slab at the morgue.

    • @ChrisHarden
      @ChrisHarden  Рік тому +4

      @@gregb6469 Woah, Greg! Calm down! Things got real too quick. Are you serious? I'm not serious... are you seriously serious right now? Because I'm not serious at all.

    • @gregb6469
      @gregb6469 Рік тому +4

      @@ChrisHarden -- Violent crime is nothing to joke about. Too many lives had been ruined, if not ended, by it. Violence by the criminal element is the main reason the population of St Louis and its suburbs like the ones you showed us in the video has gone down so much in recent years. White flight could more accurately be described as law-abiding, peace-loving flight.

    • @TheOldTapeArchive
      @TheOldTapeArchive Рік тому

      @@gregb6469 I'd drink shakes, work out, take boxing lessons AND be armed. Not to mention voting against that low IQ embarrassment Cori Bush.

  • @hermanmunster4949
    @hermanmunster4949 11 місяців тому

    "Welcome to the jungle
    It get's worse here everyday
    Ya learn to live like an animal
    In the jungle where we play
    If you got a hunger for what you see
    You'll take it eventually
    You can have anything you want
    But you better not take it from me"

  • @dalepxp8963
    @dalepxp8963 Рік тому +1

    With those crime rates, wow. I see another callibozo coming on. The one guy that backed his car out in front of the video? By the barry obozo school. They acted like a criminal there didn’t they? I mean you can see how a police officer would follow them around, call in the plates, so on.

    • @littlebull4366
      @littlebull4366 10 місяців тому +1

      What??

    • @brianmiller5444
      @brianmiller5444 7 місяців тому

      @@drh3bhe’s just copying the verbal pattern of his descending-into-dementia Lord and Savior, Donald “Pervert” Trump

  • @erikriza7165
    @erikriza7165 4 місяці тому

    annoying music. but i liked the tour of houses, it was interesting

  • @jaylewis5035
    @jaylewis5035 Рік тому +2

    15:42 The name of this school says it all.

    • @agy234
      @agy234 Рік тому +2

      Is it also located on mlk blvd?

    • @susansturch7591
      @susansturch7591 11 місяців тому

      Globalist planned.

  • @His_Name_Was_King
    @His_Name_Was_King 11 місяців тому

    Get in line...its all over the country.

  • @bokcmeatyvstheworld8273
    @bokcmeatyvstheworld8273 10 місяців тому

    Glad im not the only one who can see this city dying

  • @frankjoseph4273
    @frankjoseph4273 Рік тому +1

    St Louis is in the middle of the country on a greatest river, what happened ?

    • @katydid2877
      @katydid2877 Рік тому

      What happened to any large city in the country?

    • @ChrisHarden
      @ChrisHarden  Рік тому +2

      De-industrialization

    • @gregb6469
      @gregb6469 Рік тому +2

      @@ChrisHarden -- Caused in no small part by unions asking for too much, and compelling corporations to move overseas to stay in business.

    • @Tampa0123456789
      @Tampa0123456789 Рік тому

      ​@@ChrisHardenThank you. This is what all the commenters usually miss because they don't understand or even know history. Ironically it will be spreading nationwide soo.😂

    • @Tampa0123456789
      @Tampa0123456789 Рік тому +1

      ​@@gregb6469Union's died off ages ago 😂. Stop using that tired excuse.

  • @Tampa0123456789
    @Tampa0123456789 Рік тому

    Coming to an American city near you. Just wait till they get the A.I. thingy perfect
    People just don't study history.

  •  2 місяці тому

    One word sums it all up.... "Demographics"

  • @jasoncarr5379
    @jasoncarr5379 Рік тому

    It's crazy how many suburbs are over there🤡

  • @HankPanky
    @HankPanky Рік тому +2

    Something feels off with the hood song. 🤔

    • @HankPanky
      @HankPanky Рік тому +2

      Wait. There it is. 👍

  • @donjuanseville3039
    @donjuanseville3039 Рік тому

    24:1 C🤬MMUNITY IS STR8 UP TRASH

  • @RichardLeo-mf3zb
    @RichardLeo-mf3zb Рік тому +1

    These towns are very Democratic.

    • @CLaFong
      @CLaFong Рік тому +5

      And the Democratic states have the highest GDP per capita. They are the most economically and technologically advanced states that keep American the most advanced country in the world. Republican states are the poorest most underdeveloped states, basically America's 3rd world. What is going on!

    • @richardmorris7063
      @richardmorris7063 Рік тому

      And SF w/ all their silicon valley is more of a mess than my red state of Florida. Bill Clinton let jobs go overseas don't blame the red states.

    • @SandfordSmythe
      @SandfordSmythe 6 місяців тому

      I miss something? They should be voting Republican, and the cities will be better?

    • @personator
      @personator Місяць тому

      they'd be a whole lot shittier were they to vote republican

  • @AustriaGermany
    @AustriaGermany 6 місяців тому +1

    st louis is a dumpster

  • @FFuckYouTube
    @FFuckYouTube 9 місяців тому

    Are you trying to get shot?

  • @billpeiman8973
    @billpeiman8973 Рік тому

    Drop the annoying 'music' please.