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So technically forced arbitration is enforceable in US. What happened here was that law firms used a tactic called "mass arbitration" to put the pressure back onto Valve. Valve tried to sue the law firms in retaliation but that was dismissed by the courts. As a result, Valve has removed the forced arbitration clause to avoid being hit with mass arbitration in the future.
All I know is that forced arbitration is never used for good. It's always a major pain point for scummy ToS and EULA, and it's something all major companies abuse.
You could easily argue that you are buying or purchasing the license, so the wording would then be acceptable. But I don't agree. I think it should be explicitly stated that you don't own the game the same way that you would own a physical copy. I also agree with the video that it should be no different than a licensed physical product. The company running out of the license should mean they are no longer able to sell it, it should not mean that the consumer is no longer able to use it. I don't see why anyone would be able to take back something you purchased just because it's digital. That should never be possible under any circumstances.
@sihTdaeRtnaCuoY Yeah, it is almost as if all of the companies out there came up with this grand plan to make sure no one actually owns anything, and that they can continually get people to buy / rebuy the same thing over and over again... there is a reason why sites like GOG became popular. DRM free stuff is about the closest you can get to owning digital content, just make sure you backup your library! This is also why I refuse to use online storage for anything other than sharing, because you never know when/if they will just kill the service and you lose it all.
Same! Abandonware is amazing too! Once you figure out how to install them, just got xmen orgins wolverine working at a locked 60fps with 7w tdp, abandonware is so cool, but yea, arghhhh for the new games! ☠️
At 7:57 Are you aware of the stop killing games movement by accursed farms? Because this is exactly the goal of stop killing games movement that is happening right now, there is a European citizen’s initiative open for signing (of course for europeans). Stop killing games also has it’s own website.
Leasing a store isn't buying it. That's what games are. It's a lease or a renters agreement. Do you think you own the landlords property because you pay rent? Even if you buy your own house, you don't own the land it's on. The government does.
Purchasing of material objects does not give permission to redistribute copies. If your intentions are honest than support Free Software, there are gems like Mindustry.
"Live service games" are a no buy (or should I say, no rent) for me. I no longer choose to play games that have a live service (server) aspect to the game. Publishers/Developers beware. I will just spend my money elsewhere. If you want my money, provide me with a service that I want.
It can be done well. Games like Helldivers 2 do things/structure things in ways that wouldn't be possible in a non-live-service game. The monetization isn't greedy (in fact the free premium currency they drop in game for you is extremely generous), and it allows the game to grow and change and evolve a galactic war front in real time. Live service definitely can be a black mark on a product, but there are ways it can elevate one too. Sadly it's usually the first option.
Kinda bad take. Tons of awesome games require online or always online components. Sure the servers might not exist in 20 years but will you care then? Big doubt. You’re paying for the experience here and now. No one is gonna take it from you. You can play the game as long as it exists, and when it doesn’t your copy is meaningless anyway unless it’s a physical collectors item.
Nintendo needs to sit on it and rotate. I recently rearranged my house. My switch is now in a box, it’ll never be attached to my tv anymore. I’m also not going to sell it or any of the games that I have. I’ll much rather destroy the device than give Nintendo any chance of money from any who got my switch. And I’m not going to buy a single Nintendo product anymore ever! And they can ask Sony how long I can hold a grudge, as I haven’t bought a single Sony product (or album or movie and I really go out of my way to check if anything Sony is attached to whatever product album or movie) since they bricked my PC with DRM.
Pirating old Nintendo games is good but Nintendo Switch is still an active console so they want to prevent any piracy on that because it bleeds on their income. Theyre still a company and has to pay people. They actually good one compared to other companies when it comes to employee benefits. What we should focus on should be Nintendo suing Palworld retroactively for a patent. Thats just absurd. P.S. DRM cannot brick PCs afaik. You def did smth that caused corruption and blamed it on DRM.
I have nintendo,my switch is lost in the house somewhere and it can stay lost Sony bricked my ps3 backwards ps2 console when the hacking crap happened,I requested a repair and they refused to replace like for like and wanted me to pay them £145 for a ps3 slim .. needless to say I never purchased another Sony console I hate consoles,steam is the way to go but I'm getting sick of this .. (renting) games,no,I paid for a game,I should own it The law needs to change
@@robertomoreno3364 I do. I am a believing Christian. And I believe that God can tell the difference between mocking him and a lighthearted joke. If such jokes make you uncomfortable, don't engage with them. But I assure you there is no Biblical commandment against them.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Ok, but really, although I understand the joke as you call it, I don't think it's good to make jokes that involve God with things that he didn't do or that make it seem like he did something that isn't right, whether we like it or not, hack as you please. called is something that is not Legal and is not really Ethical, unfortunately I have done it, but God cannot sin and Jesus Christ is God manifested in the Flesh and without sin, I consider Blasphemy to relate his name with an illegal practice (even when it is not the you look so bad)
Loss any idolization of Nintendo over a decade ago. They've been this way since the 80's, but some confuse their saccharrine-enriched products w/ the ruthless, litigation happy, and money hungry corpo that they are. Enjoy the product, but never the corpo sycophancy.
It’s lame because I know I bought Okami HD for switch only to have it deleted from my account. And I just bought a bunch of switch exclusives digitally and a bit worried about their future proofing, especially since they were basically full priced.
Fun fact is under Australian law, you cannot by right of of being an Australian citizen waver your rights on a legal document, This agreement is null and void. Hence why Valve changed all their policies after getting Sued in Australia and losing.
If a game is released for Windows 10, via purchase lease, and then windows 11 comes out and breaks it...should you be able to demand a refund for a game that effectively can't run on a platform that didn't exist when you bought it? Ownership isn't just a boon, it is also a responsibility and a burden. If you want the benefits of lifetime ownership you have to deal with the burdens of lifetime support yourself- and purchase leasing does not promise lifetime support so idk why it should have a lifetime refund policy attached to it?
@chatboss000 if the game doesn't work because of the consumer that's on them, if the game company deletes or makes the game unable to work that is on them. If they no longer wish to host servers they need to leave it open source for others to do so.
You can’t “own” it because none of the assets or IP belongs to you. Their intellectual property is being licensed to you by the rights holder. This is actually true for physical media too, but at least in that case you own the piece of plastic the content is written on.
So digital storefronts are probably going to come up with a new thing where you can only “rent” a game for 4 or so years. Don’t be surprised if it comes.
@@RyudoFanel As always. There's going to be the loud minority that complains about it but all they need to do is hunker down, wait it out until it's the norm, and customer rights gets another nail in the coffin.
@@RyudoFanelif I can buy any new game for $30 instead of $70 and just rent it for 6 months I’d be happy to do that with most games. Sorry fanboys but I’m never playing god of war or almost any single player game ever again. I got better things to do. So rent, used or sale is what I’m looking for.
I mean it’s in the user agreement. You are not buying a game. You are buying a copy. It’s more like a movie ticket that lets you keep seeing movies so long as they are in theatre. A copy of a game lets you keep playing it so long as the servers exist (online) or company exists (offline) Everything has an expiration date.
@@ancientflames If I was told you are allowed to play the game as long as we allow it, I would not pay for it and I’m sure millions of other wouldn’t either. Like I said if I have to sail the high seas I will, I’d rather support the industry.
Sadly it would only be a very temporary solution because if youtube strikes your account so you can’t stream and you go and livestream on an alt account you can be flagged and potentially banned for trying to circumvent the system. So if Nintendo finds his new account and reports it even once UA-cam would probably strip that account away immediately too (if the first one was banned). Imo
Imo, the best way to deal with Nintendo’s ridiculous behavior, is to completely stop talking about everything related to Nintendo. Stop giving them free publicity and stop buying their stuff. Buy games like Palworld instead. The same goes for live service games. In the past, it was never a problem for gamers to run their own servers. Don’t support games that become unusable if the company take down the in-house servers.
They really should. In the US you are innocent until proven guilty. It is up to the accuser to PROVE you are in the wrong, not “oh I’m unhappy with your success so I’m just going to mass report you and see if you have the guts to fight it”. UA-cam’s current system is so anti consumer and pro corporations it’s insane.
The steam agreement came up as I was playing a plauge tale requiem on my steam deck. But it didn't take me out of my game. It came up, I agreed and then it went away. I can say if you were on steam deck, it probably didn't kick you out of your game. But I might be one of the rare ones not effected by it.
this California Law should be retro active, all game "buy" before should be fully given to the player... it's will be beautiful to see this company be the one screwed for once.
Some of my friends are content creators and huge nintendo fans. However, Nintendo treats them very poorly, and doesn't seem to realize they are benefiting and not harming the brand. I've decided to no longer support this company that has it out for my friends and still do not own a Switch.
How many would be willing to buy a more expensive DRM-FREE version of games alongside the usual one? It's be a win-win for consumers and corp publishers.
12:21 Nintendo is going to keep doing this because people don’t have the courage to stand up to them. Why isn’t Russ starting a GoFundMe to raise legal funds? I would donate to that. If we could get enough exposure from some of the bigger UA-camrs, we could easily raise $1 million for russ to sue Nintendo.
@@XGiveMeLibertyX A lawsuit is super stressful, on top of he'd be suing one of the most litigious companies ever. Nintendo could probably just spend enough money to bankrupt him, even if he did a Kickstarter.
I mean fair use is not most precise law so as long as u stream or show footage of any game company could copyright claim that footage. Essentially any company could be a dick about it and ruin content creator lives but they consider it marketing therfore they just let people make content with their ip. So no Russ wouldn't win he would go bankrupt, and any individual without multimillion company behind them would lose that lawsuit.
You DO own digital games. You own the license, which has always been the case. What you don't own are servers and source code. That said, what NOBODY calls out is that there is legal precedent from the days of cdkeys that you can resell or transfer ownership, and digital stores are an end run around your rights because they manage your license instead of you. You bought it, you own it. Digital stores are breaking the law. This is why steam had forced arbitration. Now if nobody is going to recognize that, nothing will happen, but a good lawsuit could massively restore user rights.
If companies staring to launch games exclusively for Linux and gamers start to move to that platform to play their videogames. We might have a massive migration of users in the future considering the requirements Windows 12 is promising to have like the always on the cloud and the NPUs (I'm not fan of Arch though)
These licensee that make art unavailable is against the development and preservation of art and undermine consumer rights and the principal of first sale doctrine. Intellectual property is fundamentally flawed.
They're skipping optimization steps on games using the raw power of the new hardwares. That's why we keep seeing these recommendations getting higher and higher. Gone are the times were coding to metal were important. They have no machine to aim to run well there anymore. Everything is a pc nowadays.
I am sure this game is going to come to GFN so I will probabaly stream it to my deck. Then again I could also stream to boosteroid. Anyways there is always a way for this sort of things.
@@ancientflames You're still connecting to the game companies servers. You now just have to have Steam running for absolutely no f'n reason. Peoples defense of Steam will come back to haunt them very soon. They're not the same company they were 5 yrs ago.
So I think that everyone who buys a game that is only playable online should understand that eventually the servers will go down. That is just the nature of online games due to the continued cost of running the servers, doing updates etc. but I do think that digital games that are single player only should be available for download to purchasers as long as the company exists.
Heck I bought some digital games on Amazon 12+ years ago and I still have access to those codes on Amazon despite several of the companies not existing anymore.
at this point it is morally right to pirate Nintendo when the majority of fans don't do it and are just showing you how to save your games from times decaying touch they are so anti consumers I don't understand why people keep them in business but will go after other gaming companies for less
@@NerdNest I can see why you would (with the pirate part of my rant)and while they are within there rights to protect what's there's I'm sure there are better ways to go about it I just don't like bullies and until someone punches back (and draws blood)they will not stop I also should of made clear that I don't condone piracy of newer titles only things that are out of print
Isn't the solution, buy games from the maker on media? If nobody wants to rent games, developers and publishers can easily sell in a way buyers will buy. Likewise, you guys need to stop buying games through steam and epyx, and demad discs again. The developers dont want to lose 30% to digital stores anyway. Come on publishers, you can fix this.
Not even just at higher frame rates but old games run on tech that is no longer sold anymore, see: CRT. Sure we have things like OSSC that convert for HDMI but otherwise unless you have a CRT you won't be able to play it.
It has been since Nintendo's first BS over emulators since I have bought one of their products. I can't allow myself to reward bad behavior. There are a lot of gaming companies I refuse to buy from now. Those companies depend on your codependent behavior to continue business the way they do. Please seek help.
Regarding "owning games"... hasn't it always been like this, even with physical media? You don't own software, but a license to use it. With physical media, there's just an extra layer of control over accessing that software.
Valve seems to be one of the better companies anyways. Removing forced arbitration is the most pro consumer move any company has made in ages. They're being honest and up front rather than hiding behind trashy arbitration. Though I think it's just to save face, its still a much more pro consumer move than anything competitors are doing.
'stop killing games' is not enough. A 'Right to own act' would be a more proactive law. Corp. publishers must give the option, at least, for a DRM-FREE version (even if it costs far more).
The funny thing: In Germany you DO own the data and licences you buy digitally. Because consumer laws around here are pretty pesky, as soon as your EULA contains ONE SINGLE ILLEGAL demand it is completely invalidated and replaced with general consumer rights. Which basically means that EVERY EULA is downgraded to general consumer rights as it is basically impossible to write an EULA complying to German consumer rights. This does not apply to contracts between businesses, so if a private person buys a licence for eg Office he has different rights than a business. There was once a case where a software company actually managed to release an valid EULA claiming "it is not your property, it is just rented indefinitely." which turned into a boomerang because by renting indefinitely they also are required to fix problems indefinitely but can not cancel the rent because you have already paid for it. BAMM!
Some people expected such things to happen, so they came up with bringing ownership back to the people by an unexpected license. It is a free license called GPL, every software under it is considered a USER FREEDOM respecting license. It's what is fueling penguins, also known as the GNU/Linux OS :)
I'm just putting this here that NO EULA is binding or lawful and isn't above the law of any country. Fuck any company that thinks EULA are legally binding.
I sure i remember about 8 years ago,reading about steam games,that valve stated that if steam were ever to close,valve would allow users a grace period to download all of their games purchased for means of back up of their purchases Did imagine this ? As far as nintendo go,i cant stand them,total control freaks,greedy,horrible company Nintendo have resold yheir old games one too many times yet they want to complain
remember how cartridges for the n64, gba, etc could hold your save data? then it is possible to distribute WRITEABLE physical media. every console should distribute every game in the physical format which can also hold game updates, dlc and the user's saved data.
I personally don’t think we should make companies offer refund indefinitely for games that have servers taken down. This means that no developer can invest in making an online game if they don’t plan on making it available forever
The whole 'you don't own the game' thing is exactly why I wait for games to be 80-90% discounted on steam, I don't mind not owning something if I paid around a fiver for it
One good thing with Steam is that we get the game files, unlike on consoles, meaning even if Steam stops existing, we can backup all our games onto a server and play them with a crack or something. The downside is that we still need a crack. Would be nice if Valve provided some sort of offline key that would allow us run the games even without needing to login to Steam first. I do backup my game files onto a server to move my games between my computers/steam deck and because I only have 1tb SSD anyways, but it would be nice to be able to do that while offline.
There is a bigger overarching story to the Arch Linux story that isn't really being aknowledged... For many months now there has been debate on whether Valve will ever release a Steamdeck 2 or whether they no longer need to because they have already gained the extra exposure to the Steam game store and that's where they make their money. Some have fairly pointed out that Valve have a history of starting things and then dropping them. This Arch Linux story almost certainly puts that debate to bed. This is Valve showing they have long term plans which almost certainly would not just be on an OS level. So if you ever wondered or doubted whether we will see an all new Steamdeck in the future this almost guarantees it. Valve are not passing the reigns of the handheld PC hardware market over to those that have jumped on their train. They are in it for longer term. I think it's fair to assume that now.
Levente Polyak is a hungarian name, and "LY" in hungarian is one letter, you can pronounce it as the Y when you say yes, thats the closest souding, you can ignore / don't have to say the L Otherwise, thanks for the informative video :) Keep up the good work.
Ah the signing enclave is actually what debian already has (what they already used). I can fully agree the step to Arch, away from debian, even though that I am a debian guy myself. I did not see any of those agreement changes. Maybe because I'm in Europe and we have rather good customer oriented laws. I did see it on Louis Rossman and now here :-).
I wonder someone going to exploit the loop hole to update the packages without checking if there malware, spyware and so on. There are many way hackers and bad apples will try to do something. By hijacking the account. I see someone try to find solo person to exploiter by fake accounts attack moral. They were caught few months ago. Guess they trying to improve the certs features. Meaning verify person has right to test and update the packages as long there if no ill intent to do harm on bad program for auth access level bypass to do malicious things.
Limited Run Has made a pretty good business on making digital in to physical form. But if its playing with any one online your "Game Over" as they say. Super informative thanks!
Hi, I like the timeline line you put in the beginning of the video. But i have a problem, since for more that one time i thought it was the red line of the youtube video itself. So, i suggest changing that to a different color. Blue, maybe, since it's also color blind approved? Thank you
Stop supporting Nintendo. That is our power. Bankrupt them they deserve it. There are plenty of non-Nintendo games. The indie scene is vibrant and friendly and in love with the art, not the money.
I recommend that Rus backs up all of his uploaded videos( if he hasn't already). That way he can future proof and move all of his work to another website if need be
the issue about music and stuff forcing a company to renew licenses is ridiculous .. if you sell rights to a song to a none subscription game that license should be for the life of that game not a arbitrary time-frame
Emulation is not piracy, mig dumper for life. I had to buy a physical copy of Zelda still, I just hate the switch as a handheld and want to play on my SD.
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So technically forced arbitration is enforceable in US. What happened here was that law firms used a tactic called "mass arbitration" to put the pressure back onto Valve. Valve tried to sue the law firms in retaliation but that was dismissed by the courts. As a result, Valve has removed the forced arbitration clause to avoid being hit with mass arbitration in the future.
Why haven't you all subscribed to @FanTheDeck yet? He's sooooo close to 100K
All I know is that forced arbitration is never used for good. It's always a major pain point for scummy ToS and EULA, and it's something all major companies abuse.
I finally got to try sports ball with you and bill it is hilarious I love it. How do we force Russ to be announcer🤣
So basically forced arbitration turned out to be bad for Valve instead of just bad for customers, so they got rid of it.
@NerdNest too much energy imo.
Using words like "buy" and "purchase" when there's no transfer of permanent ownership to the payer is in fact false advertising.
new rule literally makes no difference, just changes the words around.
Future "purchase" button will say:
"Buy Indeterminable Timed Rental"
You could easily argue that you are buying or purchasing the license, so the wording would then be acceptable. But I don't agree. I think it should be explicitly stated that you don't own the game the same way that you would own a physical copy. I also agree with the video that it should be no different than a licensed physical product. The company running out of the license should mean they are no longer able to sell it, it should not mean that the consumer is no longer able to use it. I don't see why anyone would be able to take back something you purchased just because it's digital. That should never be possible under any circumstances.
@sihTdaeRtnaCuoY Yeah, it is almost as if all of the companies out there came up with this grand plan to make sure no one actually owns anything, and that they can continually get people to buy / rebuy the same thing over and over again... there is a reason why sites like GOG became popular. DRM free stuff is about the closest you can get to owning digital content, just make sure you backup your library!
This is also why I refuse to use online storage for anything other than sharing, because you never know when/if they will just kill the service and you lose it all.
You mean Steam licenses? It's a permanent purchase of license for the lifetime of the service. :)
Oh, so you say I don't own my games hum?
Well its a good thing I keep my pirate hat within arm's reach, then.
Same! Abandonware is amazing too! Once you figure out how to install them, just got xmen orgins wolverine working at a locked 60fps with 7w tdp, abandonware is so cool, but yea, arghhhh for the new games! ☠️
If purchase doesn't guarantee ownership, piracy is not theft.
@@JDabz96 literally about to download this on my oled deck
as long as ur pirated game doesn't need an always online net connection. cough fortnite cough league of legend cough etc etc
@@JDabz96 search up nolfrevival those are 2 awesome abandonware games wish no one lives forever 3 would come out but rip
At 7:57 Are you aware of the stop killing games movement by accursed farms? Because this is exactly the goal of stop killing games movement that is happening right now, there is a European citizen’s initiative open for signing (of course for europeans). Stop killing games also has it’s own website.
Yeah, we covered it on the podcast.
So I think Steam Deck/Steam OS are viable and will long outlive the Steam Controller and the Steam Machine.
Just got a steam deck and it's more than viable. I don't even really need or want a desktop now.
Steam deck is viable long term like the valve index is. It's been 5 years, and it's still one of the best headsets on the VR market.
If you don't own the digital copy then you can't actually Pirate it, imo.
If purchasing isn’t owning, then piracy isn’t theft.
Leasing a store isn't buying it. That's what games are. It's a lease or a renters agreement. Do you think you own the landlords property because you pay rent? Even if you buy your own house, you don't own the land it's on. The government does.
That is the stupidest saying I've seen on the internet in the last year.
@Andulvar Then why would they use words like buy and purchase in the storefronts? If it's renting, then make it clear.
Purchasing of material objects does not give permission to redistribute copies.
If your intentions are honest than support Free Software, there are gems like Mindustry.
Stop parroting this stupid slogan. Violating copyright ain't stealing, it never was. It's a complete different law.
Man Valve makes a come back this year. It is like a sleeping giant is awakening.
A comeback? From what?
"Live service games" are a no buy (or should I say, no rent) for me.
I no longer choose to play games that have a live service (server) aspect to the game. Publishers/Developers beware. I will just spend my money elsewhere. If you want my money, provide me with a service that I want.
It can be done well. Games like Helldivers 2 do things/structure things in ways that wouldn't be possible in a non-live-service game. The monetization isn't greedy (in fact the free premium currency they drop in game for you is extremely generous), and it allows the game to grow and change and evolve a galactic war front in real time. Live service definitely can be a black mark on a product, but there are ways it can elevate one too. Sadly it's usually the first option.
Kinda bad take. Tons of awesome games require online or always online components.
Sure the servers might not exist in 20 years but will you care then? Big doubt.
You’re paying for the experience here and now. No one is gonna take it from you. You can play the game as long as it exists, and when it doesn’t your copy is meaningless anyway unless it’s a physical collectors item.
i kinda agree but for example Sea of Thieves I paid $40 and played 1500 hours. if the game died today I wouldn't feel scammed.
@ancientflames people still play Runescape, Diablo, Halo 2 and WOW.
Nintendo needs to sit on it and rotate. I recently rearranged my house. My switch is now in a box, it’ll never be attached to my tv anymore. I’m also not going to sell it or any of the games that I have. I’ll much rather destroy the device than give Nintendo any chance of money from any who got my switch.
And I’m not going to buy a single Nintendo product anymore ever!
And they can ask Sony how long I can hold a grudge, as I haven’t bought a single Sony product (or album or movie and I really go out of my way to check if anything Sony is attached to whatever product album or movie) since they bricked my PC with DRM.
Pirating old Nintendo games is good but Nintendo Switch is still an active console so they want to prevent any piracy on that because it bleeds on their income. Theyre still a company and has to pay people. They actually good one compared to other companies when it comes to employee benefits.
What we should focus on should be Nintendo suing Palworld retroactively for a patent. Thats just absurd.
P.S. DRM cannot brick PCs afaik. You def did smth that caused corruption and blamed it on DRM.
I have nintendo,my switch is lost in the house somewhere and it can stay lost
Sony bricked my ps3 backwards ps2 console when the hacking crap happened,I requested a repair and they refused to replace like for like and wanted me to pay them £145 for a ps3 slim .. needless to say I never purchased another Sony console
I hate consoles,steam is the way to go but I'm getting sick of this .. (renting) games,no,I paid for a game,I should own it
The law needs to change
@@chichibooxd4793i don't give a FUCK how Nintendo treats it's employees, i don't work for Nintendo. I care how Nintendo treats their CUSTOMERS
I buy from GOG or I buy a copy and then sail the seas for a cracked version
Sometimes I think piracy is wrong. But even Jesus pirated fish and bread.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 wine too
he pirated for the poor. we should all pirate for the poor. like jesus.
What a not Sense statemant, You don't fear God?
@@robertomoreno3364 I do. I am a believing Christian. And I believe that God can tell the difference between mocking him and a lighthearted joke.
If such jokes make you uncomfortable, don't engage with them. But I assure you there is no Biblical commandment against them.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Ok, but really, although I understand the joke as you call it, I don't think it's good to make jokes that involve God with things that he didn't do or that make it seem like he did something that isn't right, whether we like it or not, hack as you please. called is something that is not Legal and is not really Ethical, unfortunately I have done it, but God cannot sin and Jesus Christ is God manifested in the Flesh and without sin, I consider Blasphemy to relate his name with an illegal practice (even when it is not the you look so bad)
Loss any idolization of Nintendo over a decade ago. They've been this way since the 80's, but some confuse their saccharrine-enriched products w/ the ruthless, litigation happy, and money hungry corpo that they are. Enjoy the product, but never the corpo sycophancy.
Spot on
It’s lame because I know I bought Okami HD for switch only to have it deleted from my account. And I just bought a bunch of switch exclusives digitally and a bit worried about their future proofing, especially since they were basically full priced.
Fun fact is under Australian law, you cannot by right of of being an Australian citizen waver your rights on a legal document, This agreement is null and void.
Hence why Valve changed all their policies after getting Sued in Australia and losing.
All games should be 'owned' not licensed. Buying (purchase lease) should be permanent or give refunds period. No time period for refunds.
If a game is released for Windows 10, via purchase lease, and then windows 11 comes out and breaks it...should you be able to demand a refund for a game that effectively can't run on a platform that didn't exist when you bought it?
Ownership isn't just a boon, it is also a responsibility and a burden. If you want the benefits of lifetime ownership you have to deal with the burdens of lifetime support yourself- and purchase leasing does not promise lifetime support so idk why it should have a lifetime refund policy attached to it?
@chatboss000 if the game doesn't work because of the consumer that's on them, if the game company deletes or makes the game unable to work that is on them. If they no longer wish to host servers they need to leave it open source for others to do so.
>All games should be owned not licensed
What about game rental? You would outlaw this.
You can’t “own” it because none of the assets or IP belongs to you. Their intellectual property is being licensed to you by the rights holder. This is actually true for physical media too, but at least in that case you own the piece of plastic the content is written on.
@@chatboss000don't lock your game to a specific OS
So digital storefronts are probably going to come up with a new thing where you can only “rent” a game for 4 or so years. Don’t be surprised if it comes.
I'm more afraid that there will be people out there who would willingly and mindlessly play along. And some fanboys who even defend it :/
@@RyudoFanel As always. There's going to be the loud minority that complains about it but all they need to do is hunker down, wait it out until it's the norm, and customer rights gets another nail in the coffin.
I will NEVER give them money for that.
This is great advertisement for GoG! They're player numbers and growth is potentially going to skyrocket because of this.
@@RyudoFanelif I can buy any new game for $30 instead of $70 and just rent it for 6 months I’d be happy to do that with most games.
Sorry fanboys but I’m never playing god of war or almost any single player game ever again. I got better things to do.
So rent, used or sale is what I’m looking for.
It really grinds my gears you buy a game and it’s not yours wtf? Keep giving us reasons to sail the high seas go ahead.
I mean it’s in the user agreement. You are not buying a game. You are buying a copy. It’s more like a movie ticket that lets you keep seeing movies so long as they are in theatre.
A copy of a game lets you keep playing it so long as the servers exist (online) or company exists (offline)
Everything has an expiration date.
@@ancientflames If I was told you are allowed to play the game as long as we allow it, I would not pay for it and I’m sure millions of other wouldn’t either. Like I said if I have to sail the high seas I will, I’d rather support the industry.
@@ancientflames "You are buying a copy."
Every game, even physical CD's, is a copy, dipa**! xD
Russ should open a second channel so that he has an off shore place to have a voice and reside if things go south
Sadly it would only be a very temporary solution because if youtube strikes your account so you can’t stream and you go and livestream on an alt account you can be flagged and potentially banned for trying to circumvent the system. So if Nintendo finds his new account and reports it even once UA-cam would probably strip that account away immediately too (if the first one was banned). Imo
Imo, the best way to deal with Nintendo’s ridiculous behavior, is to completely stop talking about everything related to Nintendo. Stop giving them free publicity and stop buying their stuff. Buy games like Palworld instead. The same goes for live service games. In the past, it was never a problem for gamers to run their own servers. Don’t support games that become unusable if the company take down the in-house servers.
maybe youtube need to change their policy. granted it dont fix nintendo mess but it can probably help content creators
They really should. In the US you are innocent until proven guilty. It is up to the accuser to PROVE you are in the wrong, not “oh I’m unhappy with your success so I’m just going to mass report you and see if you have the guts to fight it”. UA-cam’s current system is so anti consumer and pro corporations it’s insane.
The steam agreement came up as I was playing a plauge tale requiem on my steam deck. But it didn't take me out of my game. It came up, I agreed and then it went away. I can say if you were on steam deck, it probably didn't kick you out of your game. But I might be one of the rare ones not effected by it.
this California Law should be retro active, all game "buy" before should be fully given to the player... it's will be beautiful to see this company be the one screwed for once.
Some of my friends are content creators and huge nintendo fans.
However, Nintendo treats them very poorly, and doesn't seem to realize they are benefiting and not harming the brand.
I've decided to no longer support this company that has it out for my friends and still do not own a Switch.
Im not all that concerned about ‘not owning’ a game on pc. If that ever gets revoked I’ll just pirate. Sorry not sorry.
Fuckin lazy Capcom they still dont optimaze games
You own it if you sail the high seas arrrrr.
I’ll take first comment!
No you won't, that went to earth science
This is awesome.
How many would be willing to buy a more expensive DRM-FREE version of games alongside the usual one?
It's be a win-win for consumers and corp publishers.
12:21 Nintendo is going to keep doing this because people don’t have the courage to stand up to them. Why isn’t Russ starting a GoFundMe to raise legal funds? I would donate to that. If we could get enough exposure from some of the bigger UA-camrs, we could easily raise $1 million for russ to sue Nintendo.
@@XGiveMeLibertyX retro folks are mostly adults with money on their pockets...
@@althyk Not the kind of money Nintendo has. Good luck with that.
@@XGiveMeLibertyX A lawsuit is super stressful, on top of he'd be suing one of the most litigious companies ever. Nintendo could probably just spend enough money to bankrupt him, even if he did a Kickstarter.
I mean fair use is not most precise law so as long as u stream or show footage of any game company could copyright claim that footage. Essentially any company could be a dick about it and ruin content creator lives but they consider it marketing therfore they just let people make content with their ip. So no Russ wouldn't win he would go bankrupt, and any individual without multimillion company behind them would lose that lawsuit.
You DO own digital games. You own the license, which has always been the case. What you don't own are servers and source code. That said, what NOBODY calls out is that there is legal precedent from the days of cdkeys that you can resell or transfer ownership, and digital stores are an end run around your rights because they manage your license instead of you. You bought it, you own it. Digital stores are breaking the law. This is why steam had forced arbitration. Now if nobody is going to recognize that, nothing will happen, but a good lawsuit could massively restore user rights.
If companies staring to launch games exclusively for Linux and gamers start to move to that platform to play their videogames.
We might have a massive migration of users in the future considering the requirements Windows 12 is promising to have like the always on the cloud and the NPUs
(I'm not fan of Arch though)
Crap like this is exactly why I haven't given money to Nintendo since the wii u era. I have more than enough games on other platforms to cover me
These licensee that make art unavailable is against the development and preservation of art and undermine consumer rights and the principal of first sale doctrine. Intellectual property is fundamentally flawed.
They're skipping optimization steps on games using the raw power of the new hardwares. That's why we keep seeing these recommendations getting higher and higher.
Gone are the times were coding to metal were important. They have no machine to aim to run well there anymore. Everything is a pc nowadays.
I am sure this game is going to come to GFN so I will probabaly stream it to my deck. Then again I could also stream to boosteroid. Anyways there is always a way for this sort of things.
Wow, the new agreement poping during gameplay is wild, for me it happened as I was making a purchase lol.
We should get significant price cuts for these “licenses”
you do though. digital storefronts do crazy sales all the time. Epic and Origin(for a time) give you games for free.
That subscriber agreement popped up during the final fight of an Overwatch match.
Remember folks; If purchasing isn’t owning, then piracy isn’t theft.
"You will own nothing and be happy." - WEF.
If you own nothing you are a slave. You want to be a slave?
We never needed Steam.
We need to get back to actual OWNERSHIP.
Before steam we still had to connect to individual companies online servers and enter an activation code.
That was demonstrably worse.
@@ancientflames You're still connecting to the game companies servers. You now just have to have Steam running for absolutely no f'n reason.
Peoples defense of Steam will come back to haunt them very soon. They're not the same company they were 5 yrs ago.
So I think that everyone who buys a game that is only playable online should understand that eventually the servers will go down. That is just the nature of online games due to the continued cost of running the servers, doing updates etc. but I do think that digital games that are single player only should be available for download to purchasers as long as the company exists.
Heck I bought some digital games on Amazon 12+ years ago and I still have access to those codes on Amazon despite several of the companies not existing anymore.
nintendo is a terrible company
Just stop paying these companies money. Pretty simple solution.
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Way to tell on your friend. He'll end up getting a strike from Nintendo
Nintendo knows who Bob is way more than they know who I am trust me
at this point it is morally right to pirate Nintendo when the majority of fans don't do it and are just showing you how to save your games from times decaying touch they are so anti consumers I don't understand why people keep them in business but will go after other gaming companies for less
I disagree
@@NerdNest I can see why you would (with the pirate part of my rant)and while they are within there rights to protect what's there's I'm sure there are better ways to go about it I just don't like bullies and until someone punches back (and draws blood)they will not stop I also should of made clear that I don't condone piracy of newer titles only things that are out of print
@@jadedshard9650 it is always the moral choice to pirate, the secular and educated world already ignores copyright/IP/patent law
Pirate your game and you will own your game
Isn't the solution, buy games from the maker on media?
If nobody wants to rent games, developers and publishers can easily sell in a way buyers will buy.
Likewise, you guys need to stop buying games through steam and epyx, and demad discs again.
The developers dont want to lose 30% to digital stores anyway.
Come on publishers, you can fix this.
Not even just at higher frame rates but old games run on tech that is no longer sold anymore, see: CRT. Sure we have things like OSSC that convert for HDMI but otherwise unless you have a CRT you won't be able to play it.
It has been since Nintendo's first BS over emulators since I have bought one of their products. I can't allow myself to reward bad behavior. There are a lot of gaming companies I refuse to buy from now. Those companies depend on your codependent behavior to continue business the way they do. Please seek help.
Regarding "owning games"... hasn't it always been like this, even with physical media? You don't own software, but a license to use it. With physical media, there's just an extra layer of control over accessing that software.
Valve seems to be one of the better companies anyways. Removing forced arbitration is the most pro consumer move any company has made in ages. They're being honest and up front rather than hiding behind trashy arbitration. Though I think it's just to save face, its still a much more pro consumer move than anything competitors are doing.
'stop killing games' is not enough.
A 'Right to own act' would be a more proactive law.
Corp. publishers must give the option, at least, for a DRM-FREE version (even if it costs far more).
The updated EULA is the moral equivalent of the Disney+ license that blocks lawsuits for literally everything. It was HIGHLY anticonsumer.
The funny thing: In Germany you DO own the data and licences you buy digitally. Because consumer laws around here are pretty pesky, as soon as your EULA contains ONE SINGLE ILLEGAL demand it is completely invalidated and replaced with general consumer rights. Which basically means that EVERY EULA is downgraded to general consumer rights as it is basically impossible to write an EULA complying to German consumer rights.
This does not apply to contracts between businesses, so if a private person buys a licence for eg Office he has different rights than a business.
There was once a case where a software company actually managed to release an valid EULA claiming "it is not your property, it is just rented indefinitely." which turned into a boomerang because by renting indefinitely they also are required to fix problems indefinitely but can not cancel the rent because you have already paid for it. BAMM!
Some people expected such things to happen, so they came up with bringing ownership back to the people by an unexpected license. It is a free license called
GPL, every software under it is considered a USER FREEDOM respecting license.
It's what is fueling penguins, also known as the GNU/Linux OS :)
I'm just putting this here that NO EULA is binding or lawful and isn't above the law of any country.
Fuck any company that thinks EULA are legally binding.
I sure i remember about 8 years ago,reading about steam games,that valve stated that if steam were ever to close,valve would allow users a grace period to download all of their games purchased for means of back up of their purchases
Did imagine this ?
As far as nintendo go,i cant stand them,total control freaks,greedy,horrible company
Nintendo have resold yheir old games one too many times yet they want to complain
remember how cartridges for the n64, gba, etc could hold your save data? then it is possible to distribute WRITEABLE physical media.
every console should distribute every game in the physical format which can also hold game updates, dlc and the user's saved data.
I personally don’t think we should make companies offer refund indefinitely for games that have servers taken down. This means that no developer can invest in making an online game if they don’t plan on making it available forever
I was in Killing Floor 2 when the notification kicked me out. Luckily, the wave had just ended 2 seconds before
The problem is now i have to accept this or I have to delete my account and lose all my games.
This should be going forward.
The whole 'you don't own the game' thing is exactly why I wait for games to be 80-90% discounted on steam, I don't mind not owning something if I paid around a fiver for it
One good thing with Steam is that we get the game files, unlike on consoles, meaning even if Steam stops existing, we can backup all our games onto a server and play them with a crack or something. The downside is that we still need a crack.
Would be nice if Valve provided some sort of offline key that would allow us run the games even without needing to login to Steam first. I do backup my game files onto a server to move my games between my computers/steam deck and because I only have 1tb SSD anyways, but it would be nice to be able to do that while offline.
There is a bigger overarching story to the Arch Linux story that isn't really being aknowledged... For many months now there has been debate on whether Valve will ever release a Steamdeck 2 or whether they no longer need to because they have already gained the extra exposure to the Steam game store and that's where they make their money. Some have fairly pointed out that Valve have a history of starting things and then dropping them.
This Arch Linux story almost certainly puts that debate to bed. This is Valve showing they have long term plans which almost certainly would not just be on an OS level.
So if you ever wondered or doubted whether we will see an all new Steamdeck in the future this almost guarantees it. Valve are not passing the reigns of the handheld PC hardware market over to those that have jumped on their train. They are in it for longer term. I think it's fair to assume that now.
Levente Polyak is a hungarian name, and "LY" in hungarian is one letter, you can pronounce it as the Y when you say yes, thats the closest souding, you can ignore / don't have to say the L
Otherwise, thanks for the informative video :) Keep up the good work.
Just a wording point... "going to the mats" vs "going to the mattresses" mean VERY different things. :D
Ah the signing enclave is actually what debian already has (what they already used). I can fully agree the step to Arch, away from debian, even though that I am a debian guy myself.
I did not see any of those agreement changes. Maybe because I'm in Europe and we have rather good customer oriented laws. I did see it on Louis Rossman and now here :-).
I'm so tired of Valve for sure when steam deck 2 is out it's still not available in my country and will buy again from third party seller smh.
I wonder someone going to exploit the loop hole to update the packages without checking if there malware, spyware and so on. There are many way hackers and bad apples will try to do something. By hijacking the account. I see someone try to find solo person to exploiter by fake accounts attack moral. They were caught few months ago. Guess they trying to improve the certs features. Meaning verify person has right to test and update the packages as long there if no ill intent to do harm on bad program for auth access level bypass to do malicious things.
Limited Run Has made a pretty good business on making digital in to physical form. But if its playing with any one online your "Game Over" as they say. Super informative thanks!
If you don't like a company's policies, stop giving them money. Give them the Intel treatment. The mighty can fall.
Hi, I like the timeline line you put in the beginning of the video. But i have a problem, since for more that one time i thought it was the red line of the youtube video itself. So, i suggest changing that to a different color. Blue, maybe, since it's also color blind approved?
Thank you
that agreement popped up and I lost internet, causing it to crash out. Guys I think I won video gaming.
Stop supporting Nintendo. That is our power. Bankrupt them they deserve it. There are plenty of non-Nintendo games. The indie scene is vibrant and friendly and in love with the art, not the money.
I recommend that Rus backs up all of his uploaded videos( if he hasn't already). That way he can future proof and move all of his work to another website if need be
7:15 Or hear me out, they could remove that one piece of content and they should be all good, Rockstar has done it multiple times with Gta games.
That thing was annoying I was playing battlefield 2042 and it kicked me out and got me killed.
I like how you get right into the news and dont have like a 1 to 2 minutes edge sesh before getting into the topics. You got my subscription.
Even when you bought a physical copy of the game you still didn't officially own it. Don't see point of law.
the issue about music and stuff forcing a company to renew licenses is ridiculous .. if you sell rights to a song to a none subscription game that license should be for the life of that game not a arbitrary time-frame
The ability to sue is largely about the ability to form a class action. Individual arbitration isolates a sole consumer into a position of weakness.
I didn't get kicked out of game (wasn't in one during) but that notification was there on login for me to accept, good change
Ross, please make a Kickstarter and sue the shit out of Nintendo. I will personally donate to you
Hey, maybe include some of those tweets in the description? Thanks.
the time line that pops up at the opening of the video, it would be nice if you put negative news under the progress bar and positive news above lol
I think it means. Don't check what I'm putting in the repository. Just trust me bro.
I can't wait for the day that UA-cam is left in the past and a better platform arises.
i can't blame nintendo for going after people for emulation.
There is allot of it.
Buying is = to NOT owning....Ok cool, so pirating is = to borrowing lol?
The steam notice happened while I was in vr and was confused of what happened at first
Stop buying nintendo stuff for a while they will get the message.
I got hit with that when my SD was on the TV and had to use the deck to get it to go away.
The RX 6700 comes with 10GB of VRAM, the RX 6700/6750XT comes with 12GB, at least on the desktop.
I was saying what VRAM is required.
Too many adverts. Three ad breaks?
UA-cam puts ads where it thinks you will watch them.
@@NerdNest that sucks. You should be able to decide where you want them.
Emulation is not piracy, mig dumper for life. I had to buy a physical copy of Zelda still, I just hate the switch as a handheld and want to play on my SD.
Games were over price so pirate it 😂😂😂 next is Sony games they delisted lots of country so Pirate it.
I can see some people being mad about valve and arch linux
you own your game if it's open source! Play open source games!