I'm trying to use this missle as a chaser to catch fleeing viggens. My current loadout 1xR3R for head-on and through clouds 1xM13M1 for chasing 2xR60 for dogfights.
R-60 is totally different missile. It was the most agile missile until R-73 came out, and then R-73 was before Python 5 got in service 2003-2005. The R-60 main benefits is that it is very agile, and can be used on targets under 300 meters, where Sidewinder can't as it requires 5 seconds (about 2.5 km) separation acceleration to arm the warhead. This is not simulated in DCS, as neither is proximity fuses that are required to really hit targets, as rarely does AAM impact the target, main method is to get missile fly parallel to target and then explode as the fragments pattern will then act like shotgun that will take the engine catastrophically out. This effective distance depends altitude, as fragments needs to fly same way. At low < 3 km altitude it can have effective range like 7-10 meters, but at 15-20 km altitude it can have 15-25 meters. Larger warheads in larger AAM can have at high altitude effective range like 150-250 meters. So you really can't escape those missiles as they will destroy fighters. Those proximity fuses can have 30-50 meters own detection range, but as usually those are commanded to explode, it can happen 100-150 meters from the target. If DCS would simulate proximity fuses and fragmentation warheads, the missiles could be made more realistic by not requiring them hit target (unrealistically accurate now), and they would become multiple times more deadly as they would do more damage even when "missing", as you might not get destroyed, but you are done. This is why guns were critical for F-4 etc as Sidewinder missiles warhead arming didn't support close range firing, so wasting missile for nothing really. And if DCS supports finally fragmentation, it will end these kinds chases, as you totally don't want to fly behind a target you are shooting, as all pieces will get in your air intake and kill your engine, or get through sheet metal and impact something critical in your plane and kill you. Too many players got custom to fly through clouds of fragments, be it ground bombs exploding and killing every plane 300-800 meters above impact point, or missiles and gun HE shells ripping air target ahead in pieces. The R-60 challenge is it's short range, limiting it to about 1.5-2 km in chase range, and 8 km in head-on. The warhead is tiny, that it likely only damages target, instead making it go pieces. But it is enough.
@@Hairysteed Not sure about the R-13M1, but the that was definitely the case with the AIM-9B and the K-13, the only difference being that the K-13 had worse capabilities (lmao)
I love videos like this. Especially featuring old fashioned Cold War east block hardware. Can’t wait for the 23. However, even viewing this on a big screen I often have trouble seeing the opponents when not above horizon. Something Im notoriously bad at in DCS while Enigma almost knows where to look and zoom into. Clearly he can see them. Always switching between stair and VR back and forth for years now and still can’t even decide which one to stay with
Welcome to the reality. It is not suppose to be easy to spot things. That is why it is that "lose sight, lose fight" as when it happens, it is extremely difficult to reacquire a target. Sadly ED made it more unrealistic in 2.9 with new dots. And one thing that really makes it bad, is that HUD/gunsight is incorrectly simulated in it by not requiring proper eye box (it is about 15x10 cm area where you need to keep your eyes to see what is in HUD).
Yes you are right, I wouldn’t mind if it was difficult for everyone. But so many if not most people (incl Enigma) seem to manage it anyway to see aircrafts. That’s why it’s so frustrating. I’d like to be able to keep up in this field
@@Bisch1977 gaining experience and skill in the sim helps, with time you'll get better at spotting targets. IMO, i use VR and its actually easier to spot, compared to 2d. but your mileage may vary
@@223frankthetank thanks! Playing since release of Blackshark 1 but waaay to rare and way too many breaks. Gonna try to play more and maybe I ll experience the improvement you mentioned
@@Bisch1977 same, i've played a long time (not as long as you though!) and I always had trouble spotting. once i got a reverb G2, it was night n day vs my old riftS and trackIR. with many hours in the sim, getting better at noticing little flecks moving across my eyes. trying to see things in motion helps too.
i like how you still had your external fuel tank for the first 2 kills. for those who want to get high kill sorties, fuel management is far more important than weapon management.
Worth noting that only now after 2.9's release does the R-13M or M1 actually offer a range advantage over the R-60, after ED reworked the missiles to better match real parameters. Previously they had *worse* range than the R-60 at all altitudes.
While DLSS has made things better, 2.9 has absolutely sucker punched the server performance. So individual client performance is better but its killing servers really badly rn
The R-60M is certainly better if not for shorter legs but regular rear-aspect R-60... even if it can turn tighter those shorter legs really hamper it. The longer range of the R-13M1 makes it more of a trade-off rather than a straight downgrade. You actually get something back in return for using them, range. You can either have missiles that can pull harder or longer range. Both have their uses but you have to choose.
Using older, lesser weapons is always more fun, because if you get a kill, it’s far more thrilling. Compare getting a kill with an AIM-9X w/ JHMCS to getting a kill with an AIM-9B and actually maneuvering your aircraft.
Hey enigma. May I ask how do you control the mig21 that magnificently, without exceeding the aoa limiter. May I ask what are your joystick axis settings and the joystick you are using. I am using a t16000m and every time I pitch up the mig starts to wobble.
I just watched your old videos and thought. You can try to make Cold War server is Warthunder, I know how it sounds, but u have all needed planes there, u can make it in sim battles and there is a way to make it work without grinding all the vehicles
When it is to come? I don't want to fly MiG as it has so many incorrect systems in it. It is oldest third party module, but it still has its originals from being mod.
@@paristo Some time after the heat death of the universe, as M3 is now working on the F4U and will continue with the F-8. The MiG-21 overhaul will come later. And then there's the teased Su-22 that noone really talks about.
@Enigma89 how did you manage to set up pilot’s head position in MiG-21 that you have a clear view even when looking over the shoulder? I have a constant problem that whenever I look hard right or left I always poke through the seat’s headrest plates.
Will the F-4E Phantom ll be in the ECW server? I'm a new player and want to get it bc I love it irl but I main cold war. Any response is appreciated :)
@@Enigma89 Hi again, if I purchase a module like the F4 on my non-gaming device through the ED digital store, will it transfer over to my Steam version of DCS and I can download it there? I tried searching for a clear answer but I couldn't find one. A newbie appreciates the help!
@@Enigma89 Nevermind- I decided I'll just download DCS Standalone and I can transfer my steam modules I already have as well as preordering the F-4. thanks for the help and I'm looking forward to the weekend to play!
Before. I get very busy so I try to have a content bank of like 4-8 weeks worth of videos in reserve that I release over time. So that way I don't need to rush to make something every week.
@@Enigma89 ahh ok, yeah i was looking at the kinematics on those thinking, this looks identical to before, havent chatted with anyone who has tested the new missiles. You got any inf0z?
Man i really want to get into dcs, especially your cold war servers as i fell in love with the MiG and these servers watching drewski, do you give lessons or are there people willing to in a MiG?
@@igorjokanovic7238 Are you on Open Beta version? That's the one people play in MP. It's usually near the top in server browser if you order by player count. ECW or Enigma's Cold War
Make a video talking about OCAT results google amd ocat Only if community leaders put pressure on devs will they keep performance issues forefront as they should be
"google amd ocat" it records frame times per frame then makes a nice graph so you can see those slow as fk frames caused by dcs jank multiplayer code@@Enigma89
What happened to the american enigma server? Edit: I have played dcs for a very long time, and though typically ping doesn't matter, in VR high ping is a death sentence. Can't even take off because one second I'm good, and the next page spike I am in flames. I am also on the other side of the world from germany, so it isn't just "a little bit higher" I appreciate everyone's input. Thank you.
Ping is basically irrelevant in a flight sim and even in an FPS, anything below 200-250 isn't that bad. All the DCS players outside the US (me included) managed just fine before and will manage just fine now.
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3 months ago 💀 this aged badly as now R-13M1 is god tier like AIM-9P-3
Note this was shot in 2.8
I'm trying to use this missle as a chaser to catch fleeing viggens. My current loadout 1xR3R for head-on and through clouds 1xM13M1 for chasing 2xR60 for dogfights.
I have been doing the same lately especially in 2.9
R13 is strikingly similar to the sidewinder. Yes i know its copy, but it's less different than the R60.
It's actually so similar that its components are interchangeable.
R-60 is totally different missile.
It was the most agile missile until R-73 came out, and then R-73 was before Python 5 got in service 2003-2005.
The R-60 main benefits is that it is very agile, and can be used on targets under 300 meters, where Sidewinder can't as it requires 5 seconds (about 2.5 km) separation acceleration to arm the warhead. This is not simulated in DCS, as neither is proximity fuses that are required to really hit targets, as rarely does AAM impact the target, main method is to get missile fly parallel to target and then explode as the fragments pattern will then act like shotgun that will take the engine catastrophically out. This effective distance depends altitude, as fragments needs to fly same way. At low < 3 km altitude it can have effective range like 7-10 meters, but at 15-20 km altitude it can have 15-25 meters.
Larger warheads in larger AAM can have at high altitude effective range like 150-250 meters. So you really can't escape those missiles as they will destroy fighters. Those proximity fuses can have 30-50 meters own detection range, but as usually those are commanded to explode, it can happen 100-150 meters from the target.
If DCS would simulate proximity fuses and fragmentation warheads, the missiles could be made more realistic by not requiring them hit target (unrealistically accurate now), and they would become multiple times more deadly as they would do more damage even when "missing", as you might not get destroyed, but you are done.
This is why guns were critical for F-4 etc as Sidewinder missiles warhead arming didn't support close range firing, so wasting missile for nothing really.
And if DCS supports finally fragmentation, it will end these kinds chases, as you totally don't want to fly behind a target you are shooting, as all pieces will get in your air intake and kill your engine, or get through sheet metal and impact something critical in your plane and kill you.
Too many players got custom to fly through clouds of fragments, be it ground bombs exploding and killing every plane 300-800 meters above impact point, or missiles and gun HE shells ripping air target ahead in pieces.
The R-60 challenge is it's short range, limiting it to about 1.5-2 km in chase range, and 8 km in head-on. The warhead is tiny, that it likely only damages target, instead making it go pieces. But it is enough.
@@Hairysteed Not sure about the R-13M1, but the that was definitely the case with the AIM-9B and the K-13, the only difference being that the K-13 had worse capabilities (lmao)
I love videos like this. Especially featuring old fashioned Cold War east block hardware. Can’t wait for the 23. However, even viewing this on a big screen I often have trouble seeing the opponents when not above horizon. Something Im notoriously bad at in DCS while Enigma almost knows where to look and zoom into. Clearly he can see them. Always switching between stair and VR back and forth for years now and still can’t even decide which one to stay with
Welcome to the reality. It is not suppose to be easy to spot things. That is why it is that "lose sight, lose fight" as when it happens, it is extremely difficult to reacquire a target.
Sadly ED made it more unrealistic in 2.9 with new dots.
And one thing that really makes it bad, is that HUD/gunsight is incorrectly simulated in it by not requiring proper eye box (it is about 15x10 cm area where you need to keep your eyes to see what is in HUD).
Yes you are right, I wouldn’t mind if it was difficult for everyone. But so many if not most people (incl Enigma) seem to manage it anyway to see aircrafts. That’s why it’s so frustrating. I’d like to be able to keep up in this field
@@Bisch1977 gaining experience and skill in the sim helps, with time you'll get better at spotting targets. IMO, i use VR and its actually easier to spot, compared to 2d. but your mileage may vary
@@223frankthetank thanks! Playing since release of Blackshark 1 but waaay to rare and way too many breaks. Gonna try to play more and maybe I ll experience the improvement you mentioned
@@Bisch1977 same, i've played a long time (not as long as you though!) and I always had trouble spotting. once i got a reverb G2, it was night n day vs my old riftS and trackIR. with many hours in the sim, getting better at noticing little flecks moving across my eyes. trying to see things in motion helps too.
even enigma experiences stuttering on enigma's server. :)
i like how you still had your external fuel tank for the first 2 kills. for those who want to get high kill sorties, fuel management is far more important than weapon management.
Worth noting that only now after 2.9's release does the R-13M or M1 actually offer a range advantage over the R-60, after ED reworked the missiles to better match real parameters. Previously they had *worse* range than the R-60 at all altitudes.
Great vid! Stuttering seems rough, is that an engine, server, or client issue?
The video was shot before the DLSS update so I hope this is solved now
While DLSS has made things better, 2.9 has absolutely sucker punched the server performance. So individual client performance is better but its killing servers really badly rn
It would be cool if there were some realistic type of traffic managment in airbases. I dunno i feel like it'd make it even more immersive
I should be forbidden to take off from taxiways. It wasn't allowed on Alpenwolf and i worked
Me watching this: I should go play some ECW
Me playing ECW: gets destroyed
Lmao the guy ejecting on the runway then next cut he explodes in the background
The R-60M is certainly better if not for shorter legs but regular rear-aspect R-60... even if it can turn tighter those shorter legs really hamper it. The longer range of the R-13M1 makes it more of a trade-off rather than a straight downgrade. You actually get something back in return for using them, range. You can either have missiles that can pull harder or longer range. Both have their uses but you have to choose.
Just take both
@@wongarnold2879 That certainly is an option... I think. I'm not that familiar with how weapon selection works in the MiG-21.
That twirly-bird viggen kill was hilarious!
Using older, lesser weapons is always more fun, because if you get a kill, it’s far more thrilling. Compare getting a kill with an AIM-9X w/ JHMCS to getting a kill with an AIM-9B and actually maneuvering your aircraft.
I laughed a lot on the guy wo ejected when you were taking of.
When you are chilling in your A-10 and suddenly a Live Leak logo appears on your top right corner.
holy canopy reflections, batman
I usually take 2 R13M1 on the inner pylons and 2 R60 on the outer and jettison the R13M1 missiles if I get into a compromised position
Hey enigma.
May I ask how do you control the mig21 that magnificently, without exceeding the aoa limiter.
May I ask what are your joystick axis settings and the joystick you are using.
I am using a t16000m and every time I pitch up the mig starts to wobble.
Well done Redfor Friend ....You seem familiar somehow (hehe) . A Virtuoso in the Balalika .
Great video so do I understand you were actually seeing that stuttering when you were in gun range it's not just an artifact of being recorded.
yes it was the game lagging
The 21 is a hard plane to master, but if you do, it climb circles above other third gens.
That glare was rough, I kept losing sight of him
LOL. That intro 😂😂😂 common stuff you will see in MP servers
I just watched your old videos and thought. You can try to make Cold War server is Warthunder, I know how it sounds, but u have all needed planes there, u can make it in sim battles and there is a way to make it work without grinding all the vehicles
I am too busy to try more servers
Nice flight, you used all of your guns wisely 😀
prekrasan video sa predivnim avionom,najboljim u to vrijeme i napravi na serveru da se moze igrati i singlepleyer kad nema interneta za multipleyer
I really look forward to the MiG-21 overhaul.
When it is to come?
I don't want to fly MiG as it has so many incorrect systems in it. It is oldest third party module, but it still has its originals from being mod.
@@paristo Some time after the heat death of the universe, as M3 is now working on the F4U and will continue with the F-8. The MiG-21 overhaul will come later.
And then there's the teased Su-22 that noone really talks about.
the fishbed is the one redfor module i need. been flying the farmer lots, but i feel the 21 has got that adaptability that the farmer doesn't
These are actually good missiles. At least in DCS.
So whats up with those stutters? Is that normal for the server?
@Enigma89 how did you manage to set up pilot’s head position in MiG-21 that you have a clear view even when looking over the shoulder? I have a constant problem that whenever I look hard right or left I always poke through the seat’s headrest plates.
I just use default
@@Enigma89 that’s really strange. But anyway thank you for the answer
I would love to hear your opinion about the coming F4 coming to DCS :D
Will the F-4E Phantom ll be in the ECW server? I'm a new player and want to get it bc I love it irl but I main cold war. Any response is appreciated :)
yes
@@Enigma89 Hi again, if I purchase a module like the F4 on my non-gaming device through the ED digital store, will it transfer over to my Steam version of DCS and I can download it there? I tried searching for a clear answer but I couldn't find one. A newbie appreciates the help!
@@Enigma89 Nevermind- I decided I'll just download DCS Standalone and I can transfer my steam modules I already have as well as preordering the F-4. thanks for the help and I'm looking forward to the weekend to play!
The camera work is very good. Not enough mig 21 gameplay these days.
Was this footage before or after the recent changes to the R3 and R13 missiles?
Before. I get very busy so I try to have a content bank of like 4-8 weeks worth of videos in reserve that I release over time. So that way I don't need to rush to make something every week.
@@Enigma89 ahh ok, yeah i was looking at the kinematics on those thinking, this looks identical to before, havent chatted with anyone who has tested the new missiles. You got any inf0z?
would av-8b with dumb bombs and aim9 be too modern for the server?
Hi im kinda new to dcs and installed the latest version. Is that why I don't see your server on multiplayer or am i doing something else wrong?
Gotta get the open beta version of the game
Man i really want to get into dcs, especially your cold war servers as i fell in love with the MiG and these servers watching drewski, do you give lessons or are there people willing to in a MiG?
Hey @Enigma89 Great vid, Will you make a video on the f-4e and how it will effect your server and the game as a whole?
I think it's just going to be a good addition in general. It's widely accepted and expected so don't feel like I need to make a video on it.
@@Enigma89 A video would still be nice, also do you plan on doing missions on the Sinai map?
The default gun sound does not reflect the real gsh23.
Hello,i want to play on this server but i don't know how.What should i do to join a server?
it's in the server browser in the game
I couldnt find it :(@@algroyp3r
@@igorjokanovic7238 Are you on Open Beta version? That's the one people play in MP. It's usually near the top in server browser if you order by player count. ECW or Enigma's Cold War
What’s with all the stutters?
2.8 for some reason was really rough on my system
Make a video talking about OCAT results
google amd ocat
Only if community leaders put pressure on devs will they keep performance issues forefront as they should be
I don't even know what ocat is
"google amd ocat"
it records frame times
per frame
then makes a nice graph
so you can see those slow as fk frames caused by dcs jank multiplayer code@@Enigma89
Eh I might have some free time in the next couple of weeks to do it myself
and I will make a video on how to do it@@Enigma89
I sent you an email about it @@Enigma89
what is with the stuttering! :o
DCS things :(
A lot easier to do that when you dont have a 300 ping...
Бам, бам, бам, бам....
Nice video! What was up with the stuttering?
My performance was very bad in 2.8
What happened to the american enigma server?
Edit: I have played dcs for a very long time, and though typically ping doesn't matter, in VR high ping is a death sentence. Can't even take off because one second I'm good, and the next page spike I am in flames. I am also on the other side of the world from germany, so it isn't just "a little bit higher" I appreciate everyone's input. Thank you.
We upgraded and moved it to Germany
@Enigma89 gotcha, thanks!
why
its a rough ping increase for western pacific players@@Enigma89
Ping is basically irrelevant in a flight sim and even in an FPS, anything below 200-250 isn't that bad. All the DCS players outside the US (me included) managed just fine before and will manage just fine now.
Sooo much shutters. recently :(
Bluefor 😂
Those laggs... :O
get yourself a 7800x3d or 5800x3d and by e bye stutters
I would love to see the whole mission not just an edited summary
I usually edit them down because they get too long
@@Enigma89 Have you considered a secondary channel where you can upload the raw gameplay for those interested in such things?
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