Hillbilly is commanding the marines temporarily, and they see a random marine having a nightmare and screaming hysterically and loudly. Because they're worried he is going to give away their position, the other marines try to calm him down, but after several unsuccessful attempts, Hillbilly hits him in the head with a utility shovel, killing him. Haldane returns after unsuccessfully trying to gain a change in their orders. The marines stay put for the night, and prepare for the assault that they're going to have to carry out the next day. (Fandom: The Pacific Wiki) YOU CAN WATCH THIS TV MINI SERIES "THE PACIFIC" (2010), THROUGH OUR WEBSITE IN OUR BIO
thank you very much for including the context in every video you share for those who haven't watched the episodes, but most of all, thank you very much for helping to give this series the recognition it deserves!!
@@richter6699 none of this was related to cowardess. The brain can only take so much and eventually the biology itself breaks down. He was having a full blown PTSD attack from his subconscious. His brain literally went haywire during REM sleep due to constantly being in danger and life threatening situations, shutting down any logical or rational sections of the brain. Its unlikely he was even fucking aware , awake or conscious to stop himself. Basically. Dude served his country until it physically broke his brain.
@@richter6699not sure how that would have gotten the rest of the unit killed, pretty gross exaggeration. Also, a coward? Easy thing for somebody sitting behind a phone to say but after seeing your mates explode into a million pieces it would be hard not to sympathize
Like many of the most memorable scenes in The Pacific, this is a direct adaptation of a real event that Sledge describes in his book With the Old Breed.
@@dudefromacountry for sure, you did actually. Ok, enough jokes; my baby boy was growing up more and more and things started to get busier and busier so i never had enough time to do it. I bought that one and helmet for my pillow
I always found this part in the book stuck out for me. In Sledge's book they had a dog with them at the time, and the marine who lost it was screaming for the dog to come and save him.
@@jarpentnextgentotally get it. Life does that especially when you start a family. I buy the ones I'm interested in and put in a "Read When Retired" box. Hopefully I last that long and remember I have books to read. 😂
Probably not you can see he was wide awake most likely a ptsd episode it happened to quite a few people especially since the Japanese used every trick in the book against us
@@Ithvin he literally never said that. He never said the Japanese didn't suffer from ptsd. He said that since the Japanese used quite brutal and unknown combat tactics, it only aided in producing ptsd in American GI's
Possibly from Mefloquine, the anti-malarial you guys were given. Shit fucks with your head bad; horrible nightmares and hallucinations are a common side effect
@@waragainstmyself1159it’s very intentional when he jabbed the shovel in his forehead instead of hitting him with the flat part of the shovel he wanted to kill him and he got away with it and even justified by his fellow soldiers that “it had to be done” doesn’t matter if it’s war if you kill a friendly your a murder which in ww2 there were a lot of soldiers that loved killing and making up some bs excuse to justify it dishonorable 😅
@@waragainstmyself1159Couldn't care less. "Hey this guy is freaking the hell out and could give away our position! I could knock him out with the flat side of this shovel, but instead I'll just straight up skewer his skull like a kebab!" >eeagh itsh waer dewd. That doesn't make said actions any less moronic my man. Don't gotta be all hemming and hawwing.
I mean how cool and fitting is a nickname like Sledgehammer for a Marine mortar man, just makes this epic story of survival much better for a badass like Eugene
@@theviolator1703I have nightmares every night o seen the wose of the worse in my younger days it was life as usual go to work cone home never have my past a thought as I got older I started seeing a consler stress got to me I got dienosed with TPTSD after I snapped at work I was a good worker nothing made me mad just one day after 15 years at the same job I had to go days after years of nights someone said some I took it as a threat laid into him the foreman came over asked if I wanted to file on him cause he said he never seen me so made he asked me if I felt I needed to go home I said no but it was like every time I seen him I want to go punch him I said yes I want to go home it was a Friday he called up said I cound have my check I never missed a day of work he told me take as long as I need I said il be back Monday he said make a 4 day paid weekend came back it wasn't the same with me I went to the VA shrink on Friday and Monday my countser said he wanted to give me some test he has my file looked it over that's when he explained to me I wasn't nuts I still see my counsler every other week I was having nightmares before I snapped they were as bad.
Sledge said it was him while talking about his book late in life. He was worried about staying a guys record/life, but by then the savage close-in fighting in the pacific was well known. It was also stopping a real threat to over 100 men; while the many episodes like this in Patton’s Army were from his horrible leadership. Even when he was told to emulate Eisenhower(and the US Army’s) best commander in Europe: Gen.Patch! The man who was religious about giving his men, like this, compassionate temp transfers off frontline units.
@@cjwrench07Patton understood and accepted that sacrifice is a part of such a terrible game. His willingness to sacrifice immediately and without reservation meant the price to achieve an objective stayed relatively low. We always forget that his tanks could be 1-shotted by a German Panzer. That he won at all, let alone stood toe to toe against competent German leaders is a testament to his greatness. TL;DR I disagree with your assessment of General Patton's leadership.
@@scrappydoo7887 The highest echelons of military leadership have jobs and responsibilities that inherently involve politics, especially in the case of a unified multi-national military chain of command. That doesn't make them politicians. Disingenuous to say Eisenhower who'd been an officer since WW1 wasn't a military leader.
I believe this was also something that happened throughout Vietnam as well. New guys would freak out and had to be put down so Charlie couldn't find them.
Fragging became a problem for the USA during Vietnam, it became a reality that for officers they were as in many danger among his men than with the enemy attacking them.
Some soldiers don't have the "ability to psychologically deal with war, " My Vietnam Veteran says "you never really know who's gonna "crack". Drafts dont discriminate who's actually fit for duty. Warm bodies was a prerequisite, that's all.😮
That's what happens when people are forced to fight in BS wars. WWII was somewhat justified because of what would happen if the enemies won, but every other was not worth it. Just politicians getting richer while the younger die
One of the few cases where I think this show got the portrayal wrong. Of course screenplays have to make choices how to condense a book. Sledge in his book made it sound like quite a bit more time was taken and many options like morphine were tried, before the last resort of a flat blow to the head unfortunately knocked the man out, which has a good probability the man will not wake. 🙁
Not really the same thing but my grandpa told me a story from when he was in Vietnam. They were in a position that the VC didn't know about and had to stay there that night. They were close. Well I guess someone got up to do something a little bit away from the group. He got attacked by a big cat and was crying for help but no one could get up to help him as to not give away the groups position completely. He said he had to lay there listening to a man be eaten alive crying for help. I can't even imagine.
@@baloog8 They did have body armor that protected the throat and neck at the time and im sure the guy was actively trying to fight back. I wasn't there so who knows man.
I have ptsd and have frequent nightmares where I’m screaming, punching and kicking. I’ve jumped off my bed before and kept fighting, hit my wife accidentally and broken stuff that was near the bed. Your body’s supposed to be like paralyzed during sleep. I was diagnosed with some sleep disorders and given meds that help. I still have the nightmares but I mostly just yell and cuss. It’s embarrassing but my wife is great about it.
Every platoon had one guy that does this shit. Ours had a night where we had to force him to stay awake because he wouldnt stop talking in his sleep while we sat on the Pakistan border. Another guy had a bad ass fever that night.
Rami Malek was incredible in this series. It didn't do as well as band of brothers cuz u didn't get as invested in the characters like in band of brothers I cab only prob name a few from the pacific but snafu was probably the most memorable
Unfortunately this likely happened a lot more than you think, especially in WW1, but that was a different type of war, those men were likely sent to the back of the line or they just dealt with it, in this case the only thing you can do in the middle of a warzone is this, they’re frontline fighters and don’t have the time or manpower to risk taking him somewhere else. If they did all of the people who tried helping him would likely end up dead. It’s unfortunate, I’m sure it happens far less for American troops now, I think they would be able to diagnose and help those suffering severely before sending them out on another mission, but back in the 40’s nobody knew what PTSD was or how to deal with it.
@@hoodsom3 morphine takes a couple minutes if injected IV to cause any form of analgesia so I'd guess at least that long or perhaps longer. No time for that
@@DarkMatterX1 I have had it after surgery, it was not in seconds, it took a few minutes for me to feel any difference and that was via IV. Also according to the journal of pain, it takes 2-5 minutes for a 7.5mg dose to take effect. Also, are they going to take the time to find a vein or are they going to jab him in a muscle, which takes longer?
It’s funny how so many Americans here cry and whine about this series being ‘unpatriotic’ when it is literally directly adapted from the accounts of men who were more patriotic than they would ever be
@@JustMarty If anything we’re re more patriotic. The terrible things brave men had to do to get us where we are today. I couldn’t be more proud to be American
As a veteran, I have to agree. It's that same as the kid with the bomb senario. You either deal with it, or you all pay. War isn't a beautiful thing. It's hard, brutal, and at times necessary.
@@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D-we have a lot of doctrine now BECAUSE of the shit that happened in previous wars. These dudes did not have half the knowledge and training that we get in modern times. They were all thrown into shit and made do with the situations they were thrown in. Was it right? No. Would he have gotten them all in trouble with the enemy/killed? They didn’t want to find out. Decisions were made, as bad as they were, because war is literal chaos. Especially in the conditions they were in.
@@Meow-tp2oc Or perhaps no one had to go to the afterlife to begin with. Out of so many non lethal solutions to quickly silence someone, this soldier chose the most lethal one. Treating the people that fight and die along side you for months instantly as nothing more as a liability in a few seconds are quite literally the biggest signs of a sociopath.
Sounds crazy but if I was the one screaming out and endangering my guys I would expect to be "shut up". I'd hate to be standing at the pearly gates only to look behind me and see half my company waiting to get in too.
Definitely... The pacific was a totally different type of war. It was all brutal but not as widespread as in the pacific when u needed to basically exterminate nearly every enemy on the battlefield, and these men got so used to it nothing could phase them. I feel sorry for all the trauma they had to live with.
Its not that simple. Dude could hold it together in a crises if he had already reached this point. Problem is you can't fight basic biology, physical damage occurs to the brain from being in high stress life threatening situations all the time which call for high rational and logical processes often while exhausted and underfed. Eventually your rational/logical centers weaken and your fight or flight systems go up to 200%. Doubt he was even properly awake or aware. His brain was overriding his conscious thoughts.
@@BabyPluto82 Quite the mental gymnastics there. The competent ones were the ones who were still alive in the morning. Not many safe rooms on the islands to drag the special snowflake to so he could calm down, hence he got dome pieced. 1 jarhead does not get to compromise the lives of 20 jarheads. It is what it is.
Yes, agree that Rami Malek was awesome (for me, in these shorts - haven’t seen the series). It is a little bit hard for me to watch him though b/c the only movies I’ve seen him are (1) the last Daniel Craig “007” movie, and (2) “Bohemian Rhapsody.” So, I keep seeing “Freddie Mercury” in these shorts. 🤦🏻♂️
@@ardibetrayal3493 you ever hear the stories people who went to war. You got the weirdest energy in times like that. Plus they wouldn't of had alot of time to get it under control sadly. Even tho it's sad af sometimes there is nothing you can do. I remember in army doing drills where 2 or 3 people tried to hold 1 dude down which if u have a tbi is very common to need to do at times and its not easy to do without hurting the person.
My grandpa was a Marine who served on Guadacanal. It wasn’t until after he passed that I learned that my grandma used to call my Dad after he married my mom & tell him that my “grandpa was having his nightmares again.” Breaks my heart that my grandpa suffered with this. He used to tell me stories about the war after dinners sometimes when he’d had a little too much to drink. It always made him misty eyed.
Problem is that he had his breakdown on the Frontline so any medical assistance would have to wait till he came back, sadly his breakdown would have caused the death of many of his comrades, so he was put down.
I knew RV Burgin pretty well. He was one of the Marines holding this guy down, the guy freaking out was actually an Army dog handler. Mr Burgin carried the name of the man who knocked the panicked soldier out to his grave. He refused to say who it was. I asked him once if the man who did it was still alive, he thought for a minute and said yeah, there's two of us who knows left.
Such a sad story, it seems defining events can be remembered for a lifetime. Did Burgin ever tell the overall story of this event as Sledge did in his book?
I've heard plenty of stories from basic and sleepwalkers are always their weirdest. Worst one was a guy who had extreme night terrors or something, he would start screaming bloody murder randomly during the night and jump out of bed and start running, all while he was asleep. I heard that was affecting everyone so bad he got medically separated. Funniest one: a guy I worked with said the guy bunking next to him in basic would recite the Declaration of Independence, Consitution, pledge of allegiance, and various famous speeches all in his sleep.
For the folks defending the use of deadly force on a friendly? I hope you aren't serving and have never served. And if you do, you are/were a danger to your unit. Obviously they had to shut him up somehow. But that doesn't justify killing a fellow soldier.
First time I saw this scene it was in the series finale for M*A*S*H. At this point, It's been in so many movies, TV shows, and video games it's about played out for me, but I guess it's always somebody's first time to see it.
Yes, it can be unfortunate that fiction can sometimes latch onto a scenario and over time almost turn it into a cliche. For this scenario, though, it is based on an actual event documented by Sledge and in his memoir book, " With the Old Breed". I read it recently, and this may be one of the few instances I felt the show made some mistakes, but overall this happened.
There's a small part of the man with the shovel who prays he won't make it home. Because if he makes it home, he'll have to live with what he did for the rest of his life.
@@AesirUnlimited What would you have done in that situation? Would you have let him keep screaming for who knows how long and get the entire company kill, or would you have attempted to knock him out? Do the opportunity cost. One man or a dozen? Also, in real life they weren’t trying to kill him, but knock him out with the shovel. It was dark, so accidentally they used the sharp end of the shovel and killed him
@@IAmAFamel I can’t say what I would’ve done. The only way to know is be in the situation myself. But I can still say it’s messed up. Because it is. An action made on instinct can still be judged by others.
Totally wrong you all gave away your position. The morphine was a good idea. If PVT Davis is reading this I hope you are never attacked by your compass again
Bro, the situation was to hide or die, if I remember well the show, they were also low in basic supplies like water, morphine, if any, was at the coast, while they were on the frontline.
Morphine at this point in the war was a rarity. Most countries had used up their entire Meth/Morphine supplies in the first months of the war. Germany invented methadone somewhere down the line as a replacement but at this point in the war it would've been hard getting any I think. If you want morphine so bad IRL just go to a substitution clinic and ask for substitol lol. Even taking 2 Grams daily stops being fun very quickly.
I think it’s funny that for years it never pinged to me that the guy who played Sledge was the guy who played the kid in Jurassic Park. I recognized him but couldn’t figure out from where.
One time on convoy our vehicles got attacked, ended up scrapped. We had yo grab yhe boxes and walk the rest of the way. One night we had set ip camp, it was the most relatively safebplace to do so, but not safe by any stretch. We were so close to insurgent forces that we could hear them talking if only very muffled. We hadnlearned we would be staying the night where we were and one guy took it incredibly horribly. In the dead of night st its most quiet, he lets out in the most blood curdling screeching you likely cant even imagine. Acreaming we were gonna die, that it was it they found us and gonna kill us.bwe tried for roughly half a minute to calm him, when we noticed he was giving our position away and was activly fighting against us screaming ad yelling almost lik he was calling to the enemy in a panic attack, but we couldn't get him to stop. Noticed some fellas with a search light wandering a bit too close. Was given the order to "silence," our brother. The most haunting moment was watching the light fade from his eyes as he realized that he got himself an likely all of us killed right then and there from his panic. Choked out "sorry srg idk what came over me.. I'm so sorry, please don't die," while my commanding officer stood over my shoulder ordering it. Having to put down kids is one thing, having to kill a man you ate and joked with and slept beside and fought sith. Protected and has protected you back... Having to just.. War is the worst thing to ever go through, i can think of nothing more cruel. Just typing thisbout has severely messed my head up. I loved Hammer like a god damned brother, fuck this memory hurts so bad..
@@daniellombardo27 You seem like the type of guy who'll somehow get shot in the back during a frontal assault.. And no one could care less of your loss.
This is the reason why I tell people this series is more honest then Band of brothers because this series doesn't shy away from all parts of war that are not sexy, flashy, larger then life almost and gets down to the most basic of human needs, the need and instinct to stay alive. When you see Band of brothers you can't wait to see what's next. Winters sometime seems almost like a superhero of sorts. Almost feels like he can't die and or other people too in some scenes. When you see The Pacific, you mostly just feel bad for these men, the more and more you watch. You get the feeling they can all die at any point. Not one man seems like the lead man that can't die.
I think that I lost something on Peleliu, perhaps it was the childlike faith that man is basically good. I may have also lost faith that politicians in high places will ever stop sending young men to endure war's cruelties. -Eugene Sledge "With the Old Breed" (paraphrase)
This incident actually happened in the Pacific WWII. Some guys get so scared have nightmares that they have to be kicked out or silenced else enemy fire can destroy an entire squad battalion or platoon. It has happened to every army globally. This marine was unfortunate n had to be killed sadly by his own men in his unit. Hello from India
Japanese were a ferocious enemy, the Marines didn’t want their positions being revealed in fear of possibly being shelled with artillery/mortars or their lines unexpectedly overran.
Reminds me of the final episode of MASH where Hawkeye recounts how a Korean Mother smothered her baby on a bus so a North Korean regiment wouldn't hear it.
Dont get me wrong, Id kill a man too if he was going to get my entire squad killed for such a reason... But none of them knew the sleeper hold? I know it took 5 to pin em down but eesh... no one could get a hold on em?
you're thinking in a modern mindset only mma that was acceptable for americans was boxing and wrestling which has always had problems being an adopted sport.
Damn, that's awful. Id have thought someone would have some duct tape for a situation like this. I do mean that seriously, there is no comedy in this comment. I genuinely figured they would have a way to shut someone up besides killing him, damn shame. I guess it is what it is. Wars hell.
At the time, I don’t think anybody was trained to do that in hand to hand combat. There was some grappling techniques, but if you look at what’s historically done, they didn’t get trained by that. Or at least I think.
@@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D- Except when you are in combat, time is the essence though, so i doubt a chokehold would be enough in the front line unless you break a guys neck in seconds This kind of thing is only for stealth
That scene is based on a true event...actually this whole series is based on a book by a marine that was there during this campaign. He returned 70 years later to retrieve his knife he left on the beach...
I’ve been looking at documentation and stories from the pacific and the European front for a long time. Ww2 is strange. Nothing like Vietnam or eeaentially any conflict afterwords. This generation has no idea what it takes to be a man. I can tell you that as much glory and romanticism that we look back on it with now, I don’t know if this generation or my generation would be able to handle it. Ukraine is a prime example of people not knowing what they’re getting into. I’m not sure I’d fight if I was called. I don’t believe in my government and it’s intentions.
@@phoenixaffliction Pretty sure he's including himself in that implication. And tbh? He's right. Generation is soft af. The Greatest Generation was half starved from the depression and literally did whatever it took to not die. Hardest mother fkers in the world, for sure. Dudes would eat nails for breakfast probably. They didn't have time to debate genders and other bullshit.
How old are you? Ive had a US Army major general tell me, that i have giant brassy balls. Idk wtf your problem is kiddo... and i wouldnt need to be drafted to ukraine, it looks like fun.
@@phoenixaffliction nah that was my point I’m soft as fuck too, but I’d like to think I have the courage of my convictions. I won’t fight in a bs the at for bs reasons. Gimme a reason to die and I’ll take the glory for my family.
Hillbilly is commanding the marines temporarily, and they see a random marine having a nightmare and screaming hysterically and loudly. Because they're worried he is going to give away their position, the other marines try to calm him down, but after several unsuccessful attempts, Hillbilly hits him in the head with a utility shovel, killing him.
Haldane returns after unsuccessfully trying to gain a change in their orders. The marines stay put for the night, and prepare for the assault that they're going to have to carry out the next day. (Fandom: The Pacific Wiki)
YOU CAN WATCH THIS TV MINI SERIES "THE PACIFIC" (2010), THROUGH OUR WEBSITE IN OUR BIO
Americans raither will kill man then helping him.
thank you very much for including the context in every video you share for those who haven't watched the episodes, but most of all, thank you very much for helping to give this series the recognition it deserves!!
It had too be done that sad fact about war and was him or the everyone
Maybe hog tie ?
@@jesuschrist2174 even hogtied we would have been too loud. Maybe they could have gagged him but who’s really to say. We weren’t there.
Rami Malek has got "distant, cold, ruthlessly pragmatic" expression down to a fucking ART.
Still, dude's got them eyes of a hacker, one who stays way past 4AM doing shady shit online even in 2010.
No that's just how he is
no, he's just a bad actor with little to no range. He plays the exact same face in every role.
@@nekroy3385glad somebody said it. Just a weird dude being weird
I don’t believe him. Lol He seems like he looks at guns and goes “ew.”
“Your son fought bravely, with honour and high distinction”
@@richter6699 none of this was related to cowardess. The brain can only take so much and eventually the biology itself breaks down. He was having a full blown PTSD attack from his subconscious. His brain literally went haywire during REM sleep due to constantly being in danger and life threatening situations, shutting down any logical or rational sections of the brain.
Its unlikely he was even fucking aware , awake or conscious to stop himself.
Basically. Dude served his country until it physically broke his brain.
@@richter6699 I doubt any of the men there would have called him a coward
@@richter6699talk real hard for a champion couch rider
@@richter6699not sure how that would have gotten the rest of the unit killed, pretty gross exaggeration. Also, a coward? Easy thing for somebody sitting behind a phone to say but after seeing your mates explode into a million pieces it would be hard not to sympathize
Better than "his death was not service related"
Like many of the most memorable scenes in The Pacific, this is a direct adaptation of a real event that Sledge describes in his book With the Old Breed.
I have to read that book, i bought it and never went through more than the epilogue
@@jarpentnextgenMay I ask why?
@@dudefromacountry for sure, you did actually. Ok, enough jokes; my baby boy was growing up more and more and things started to get busier and busier so i never had enough time to do it. I bought that one and helmet for my pillow
I always found this part in the book stuck out for me.
In Sledge's book they had a dog with them at the time, and the marine who lost it was screaming for the dog to come and save him.
@@jarpentnextgentotally get it. Life does that especially when you start a family. I buy the ones I'm interested in and put in a "Read When Retired" box. Hopefully I last that long and remember I have books to read. 😂
He died thinking the enemy got to him
Probably not you can see he was wide awake most likely a ptsd episode it happened to quite a few people especially since the Japanese used every trick in the book against us
@@austinrooks1787weird that you said probably not but then explained that thats exactly what happened lmao
@@austinrooks1787a ptsd episode where he thought the enemy got him. So yea
@@austinrooks1787PTSD hits people the same everywhere, and to think that no Japanese suffered PTSD from American tricks is plain racism.
@@Ithvin he literally never said that. He never said the Japanese didn't suffer from ptsd. He said that since the Japanese used quite brutal and unknown combat tactics, it only aided in producing ptsd in American GI's
During desert storm one of my tent mates suffered from nightmares and sleepwalking. It was unnerving as hell.
What did you guys do with him? Send him to the rear or something?
Possibly from Mefloquine, the anti-malarial you guys were given. Shit fucks with your head bad; horrible nightmares and hallucinations are a common side effect
@@dave2808"No Dave we killed him with a shovel just like in the UA-cam short"
@@Juneau48 being Ex military I could hear the fucking tone you wanted to use in that text 😂
@@Fivespark144same hear, clear as day in my noggin.
“Knock him out!”
“You got it, I’ll use this edge of this shovel into his forehead!”
LMAO
They said hit him with something. And even a rock can be lethal.
Dont have time to be hemming and hawwing and shit. Its fucking war dude
@@waragainstmyself1159it’s very intentional when he jabbed the shovel in his forehead instead of hitting him with the flat part of the shovel he wanted to kill him and he got away with it and even justified by his fellow soldiers that “it had to be done” doesn’t matter if it’s war if you kill a friendly your a murder which in ww2 there were a lot of soldiers that loved killing and making up some bs excuse to justify it dishonorable 😅
@@waragainstmyself1159Couldn't care less.
"Hey this guy is freaking the hell out and could give away our position!
I could knock him out with the flat side of this shovel, but instead I'll just straight up skewer his skull like a kebab!"
>eeagh itsh waer dewd.
That doesn't make said actions any less moronic my man.
Don't gotta be all hemming and hawwing.
I mean how cool and fitting is a nickname like Sledgehammer for a Marine mortar man, just makes this epic story of survival much better for a badass like Eugene
Especially when he joined and almost got denied because of a heart murmur
I always thought of it as a joke because he's just a scrawny kid. Kind of the opposite of the person you'd think of having the nickname sledgehammer.
Sorry if you already know this - his surname is Sledge so I guess it was an obvious choice!
Trauma therapy in 1944:
You have nightmares of the war? I see. Have you tried whiskey?
That's good
@@theviolator1703I have nightmares every night o seen the wose of the worse in my younger days it was life as usual go to work cone home never have my past a thought as I got older I started seeing a consler stress got to me I got dienosed with TPTSD after I snapped at work I was a good worker nothing made me mad just one day after 15 years at the same job I had to go days after years of nights someone said some I took it as a threat laid into him the foreman came over asked if I wanted to file on him cause he said he never seen me so made he asked me if I felt I needed to go home I said no but it was like every time I seen him I want to go punch him I said yes I want to go home it was a Friday he called up said I cound have my check I never missed a day of work he told me take as long as I need I said il be back Monday he said make a 4 day paid weekend came back it wasn't the same with me I went to the VA shrink on Friday and Monday my countser said he wanted to give me some test he has my file looked it over that's when he explained to me I wasn't nuts I still see my counsler every other week I was having nightmares before I snapped they were as bad.
This made me lol
Great to see you have no idea what you are talking about
Remi Malek was absolutely fantastic in this show. He wasn't even famous then, but still his best role imo
That and night at the museum
Agreed
Hillbilly most likely didn't do it. None of them actually revealed who did.
Cowards they are
Sledge said it was him while talking about his book late in life. He was worried about staying a guys record/life, but by then the savage close-in fighting in the pacific was well known.
It was also stopping a real threat to over 100 men; while the many episodes like this in Patton’s Army were from his horrible leadership. Even when he was told to emulate Eisenhower(and the US Army’s) best commander in Europe: Gen.Patch! The man who was religious about giving his men, like this, compassionate temp transfers off frontline units.
@@cjwrench07Eisenhower was a politician not a military leader
@@cjwrench07Patton understood and accepted that sacrifice is a part of such a terrible game. His willingness to sacrifice immediately and without reservation meant the price to achieve an objective stayed relatively low.
We always forget that his tanks could be 1-shotted by a German Panzer. That he won at all, let alone stood toe to toe against competent German leaders is a testament to his greatness.
TL;DR I disagree with your assessment of General Patton's leadership.
@@scrappydoo7887 The highest echelons of military leadership have jobs and responsibilities that inherently involve politics, especially in the case of a unified multi-national military chain of command. That doesn't make them politicians. Disingenuous to say Eisenhower who'd been an officer since WW1 wasn't a military leader.
Ok algorithm you won. I'll rewatch The Pacific.
Same
It's like a tsunami
Read my mind
Okay algorithm, you win. I'll watch it for the first time ever..
Anyone got a good source of where to watch?
@@EvilGremlin100 netflix
You gotta feel bad for the soldier that hit him. He obviously was just trying to knock him out but things didnt quite go to plan.
I feel worse for the soldier who shot another marine when he didn’t call out when he’s getting out of his foxhole
they could choked him out and tied his shirt over his mouth but they god damn murdered him instead!
@@SandorSopteimarine , not solider.
@@johnnyamerica7809 Only people who've never seen a thing give a shit about that.
@@John.McMillan stand down old man
I believe this was also something that happened throughout Vietnam as well. New guys would freak out and had to be put down so Charlie couldn't find them.
Don’t forget about fragging Lts, so they wouldn’t have to go out on patrol.
@@R0gueMwhaaaaat, like actually throwing a grenade in their tent?
Fragging became a problem for the USA during Vietnam, it became a reality that for officers they were as in many danger among his men than with the enemy attacking them.
Actually fragging in Frontline units was extremely rare, it was mostly done by doped up supply guys @@AsdrubalBarka
@@KentFPV not usually something that noticeable usually a "stray bullet" during a gunfight
Some soldiers don't have the "ability to psychologically deal with war, " My Vietnam Veteran says "you never really know who's gonna "crack". Drafts dont discriminate who's actually fit for duty. Warm bodies was a prerequisite, that's all.😮
The weak have been culled
That's what happens when people are forced to fight in BS wars. WWII was somewhat justified because of what would happen if the enemies won, but every other was not worth it. Just politicians getting richer while the younger die
@@rustys.1070 Not everyone is a soldier material. You might be part of the weak too.
@@endjfcar I'm not. You sound like you want to be.
@@rustys.1070 I already was a soldier. I don't know if you were.
Id have DEFINITELY preferred a morphine syrette or two over being "tucked into bed" by an entrenching tool.
One of the few cases where I think this show got the portrayal wrong. Of course screenplays have to make choices how to condense a book. Sledge in his book made it sound like quite a bit more time was taken and many options like morphine were tried, before the last resort of a flat blow to the head unfortunately knocked the man out, which has a good probability the man will not wake. 🙁
Not really the same thing but my grandpa told me a story from when he was in Vietnam. They were in a position that the VC didn't know about and had to stay there that night. They were close. Well I guess someone got up to do something a little bit away from the group. He got attacked by a big cat and was crying for help but no one could get up to help him as to not give away the groups position completely. He said he had to lay there listening to a man be eaten alive crying for help. I can't even imagine.
One person could've gone? geez tho.
@@baloog8 Well the VC were looking for them at that point. They could've seen where the next guy came from and got all of them.
@@forrestallen9354 I c. In vietnam, it's a tiger.
@@forrestallen9354 Tigers are supposed to go for the throat n neck, but I don't know in that case..
@@baloog8 They did have body armor that protected the throat and neck at the time and im sure the guy was actively trying to fight back. I wasn't there so who knows man.
I have ptsd and have frequent nightmares where I’m screaming, punching and kicking. I’ve jumped off my bed before and kept fighting, hit my wife accidentally and broken stuff that was near the bed. Your body’s supposed to be like paralyzed during sleep. I was diagnosed with some sleep disorders and given meds that help. I still have the nightmares but I mostly just yell and cuss. It’s embarrassing but my wife is great about it.
God bless her, you're very lucky to have such a woman in your life.
You need the shovel, brother
Thats all you doing that stop blaming anything else
I pray God helps you with this man
It seems horrible
I have PTSD too, and thats not even remotely accurate to what its like. You dont magically become some hard sleeping fit thrower in your sleep dude.
Every platoon had one guy that does this shit. Ours had a night where we had to force him to stay awake because he wouldnt stop talking in his sleep while we sat on the Pakistan border. Another guy had a bad ass fever that night.
Did the fever involve a nightmare of any planned mission?
What were you doing on the Pakistan border? And on which side of it?
@@hulking_presence probably Afghanistan
He was likely the sanest among you.
*tiniest thing ever happens*
*greek calls*
"Yep I'm getting off."
*greek hangs up*
Bro was at 1 hp
hurt himself in his confusion
bro visited his friend
We all at 1 hp homie
This whole event actually happend
Sledge later confirmed after the book got published
visitpilled friendmaxxer@@tinycockjock1967
I hope he at least got a Purple Heart.
He probably didn’t. Blue on blue stuff like that wouldn’t be Purple Heart worthy.
@@inewyorkcentralrr Well...Tillman somehow got a Silver Star and Purple Heart for friendly fire....it's still combat related technically.
He died.
@@vaporsouls6752plenty of dead people get Purple Hearts lol
@@vaporsouls6752 As long as a serviceman is killed in combat, he still qualifies for the Purple Heart. It doesn't just apply to the wounded.
Rami did better in this series than any other part hes got under his belt
I mean that goes for everyone who was on the show
Mr robot?
@@theatms1380 Mr Robot is a great show but acting wise I agree this show was his best performance to date
Bullshit, Mr. Robot is his best work by lightyears.
Rami is my favorite Egyptian actor.
Rami Malek was incredible in this series. It didn't do as well as band of brothers cuz u didn't get as invested in the characters like in band of brothers I cab only prob name a few from the pacific but snafu was probably the most memorable
I don't think you watched BoB very closely.
When you remember grandpa never talked about his experience in combat in WWII, you have to wonder if maybe he was swinging the shovel.
Unfortunately this likely happened a lot more than you think, especially in WW1, but that was a different type of war, those men were likely sent to the back of the line or they just dealt with it, in this case the only thing you can do in the middle of a warzone is this, they’re frontline fighters and don’t have the time or manpower to risk taking him somewhere else. If they did all of the people who tried helping him would likely end up dead. It’s unfortunate, I’m sure it happens far less for American troops now, I think they would be able to diagnose and help those suffering severely before sending them out on another mission, but back in the 40’s nobody knew what PTSD was or how to deal with it.
My first thought was to gag him but that would only muffle the sound but idk with that situation none of them are thinking clearly just fast
Early version of Rami Malek being weirdly scary.
Right??
Its where we first saw him. Loved him in this role.
"I'm _very_ different."
What happened to the morphine? I mean that situation sucks but someone said get morphine and then it was “nvm just kill him”
He was squirming all over the place. Prob couldn’t get him still enough for it
would morphine immediately calm him down?
@@hoodsom3 morphine takes a couple minutes if injected IV to cause any form of analgesia so I'd guess at least that long or perhaps longer. No time for that
@@SuperSmith
You've never had morphine. IV morphine takes effect in seconds. The problem is they didn't have seconds here.
@@DarkMatterX1 I have had it after surgery, it was not in seconds, it took a few minutes for me to feel any difference and that was via IV. Also according to the journal of pain, it takes 2-5 minutes for a 7.5mg dose to take effect. Also, are they going to take the time to find a vein or are they going to jab him in a muscle, which takes longer?
His 2 dash 1 said he died a hero defending his nation….Damn right he did! 🇺🇸
It’s funny how so many Americans here cry and whine about this series being ‘unpatriotic’ when it is literally directly adapted from the accounts of men who were more patriotic than they would ever be
Tfw you idealize war and idolize warfighters
@@Fascists4Palestine TFW you lack reading comprehension
I don't see anyone here being unpatriotic
@@JustMartysame
@@JustMarty If anything we’re re more patriotic. The terrible things brave men had to do to get us where we are today. I couldn’t be more proud to be American
always one noob teammate that refuses to use his medkit
As a veteran, I have to agree. It's that same as the kid with the bomb senario. You either deal with it, or you all pay.
War isn't a beautiful thing. It's hard, brutal, and at times necessary.
where did you serve sir?
Ah yes, just like Army doctrine teaches you. "Kill your battlebuddy if they are going through a PTSD episode"
@@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D-we have a lot of doctrine now BECAUSE of the shit that happened in previous wars. These dudes did not have half the knowledge and training that we get in modern times. They were all thrown into shit and made do with the situations they were thrown in. Was it right? No. Would he have gotten them all in trouble with the enemy/killed? They didn’t want to find out. Decisions were made, as bad as they were, because war is literal chaos. Especially in the conditions they were in.
@@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D-Would you prefer joining the battlebuddy in the afterlife instead?
@@Meow-tp2oc Or perhaps no one had to go to the afterlife to begin with. Out of so many non lethal solutions to quickly silence someone, this soldier chose the most lethal one. Treating the people that fight and die along side you for months instantly as nothing more as a liability in a few seconds are quite literally the biggest signs of a sociopath.
"your head injury is deemed not service related" - VA probably
Sounds crazy but if I was the one screaming out and endangering my guys I would expect to be "shut up". I'd hate to be standing at the pearly gates only to look behind me and see half my company waiting to get in too.
@jonathanbirch2022 Do us all a favor and find out if that's true as soon as possible.
@jonathanbirch2022 wow, ain't you just tough shit, why not try it out on all of us?
Sorry to say this they kinda helped the guy he wouldn't ever be right agine! I have T-PTSD as I got older I remember more
This series compared to Band of Brothers, they just pack such different punches.
Definitely... The pacific was a totally different type of war. It was all brutal but not as widespread as in the pacific when u needed to basically exterminate nearly every enemy on the battlefield, and these men got so used to it nothing could phase them. I feel sorry for all the trauma they had to live with.
Glad to see they form a rock band after that
I don't think he ment chop into dudes head when he said hit him
I don’t think he meant to use the blade side.
Absolutely disgusting
He was screaming for help
Thanks. I have a new name for guys who can't hold it together in a crisis.
Shovelhead.
Unironically, Harley Davidon used to have a motor design called the shovelhead. They were famous for grenading if run to high stresses.
Reminds me of shovel dog
You served ?
@@samanfang5139 did u serve ?
Its not that simple. Dude could hold it together in a crises if he had already reached this point. Problem is you can't fight basic biology, physical damage occurs to the brain from being in high stress life threatening situations all the time which call for high rational and logical processes often while exhausted and underfed.
Eventually your rational/logical centers weaken and your fight or flight systems go up to 200%. Doubt he was even properly awake or aware. His brain was overriding his conscious thoughts.
Probably sent the letter to his kin saying that he died a hero bravely fighting the Japanese 😅😅😅
The only letter your parents got was from school saying "your son was eating poop again."
Much better to tell them he lost his marbles and got his melon caved in with an entrenching tool so he didn't get the whole company waxed
@@mikewebster8224Or how about the truth? His own “team” killed him due to their incompetence
@@BabyPluto82 Quite the mental gymnastics there. The competent ones were the ones who were still alive in the morning. Not many safe rooms on the islands to drag the special snowflake to so he could calm down, hence he got dome pieced. 1 jarhead does not get to compromise the lives of 20 jarheads. It is what it is.
@@BabyPluto82War criminals doing war criminal things ? perish the thought
When you have to kill one of your mates in order to save all of your other mates. That shit surely haunts you forever...
Morbidly disturbing but real
Yes, agree that Rami Malek was awesome (for me, in these shorts - haven’t seen the series). It is a little bit hard for me to watch him though b/c the only movies I’ve seen him are (1) the last Daniel Craig “007” movie, and (2) “Bohemian Rhapsody.” So, I keep seeing “Freddie Mercury” in these shorts. 🤦🏻♂️
Stupi d
A good head lock would have stoped that and saved his life. But ik that because of the choking game as a kid
Someone that woke up from a nightmare like that with all the people trying hold him wouldnt of been easy to get a hold of for it sadly.
@@kjhkjrear naked choke is pretty hard to break from, even if you were coked up on drugs.
@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D- A bit hard to do that to someone lying down and flailing.
They did tried though, either everybody is tired or this guy was damn strong
@@ardibetrayal3493 you ever hear the stories people who went to war. You got the weirdest energy in times like that. Plus they wouldn't of had alot of time to get it under control sadly. Even tho it's sad af sometimes there is nothing you can do. I remember in army doing drills where 2 or 3 people tried to hold 1 dude down which if u have a tbi is very common to need to do at times and its not easy to do without hurting the person.
My grandpa was a Marine who served on Guadacanal. It wasn’t until after he passed that I learned that my grandma used to call my Dad after he married my mom & tell him that my “grandpa was having his nightmares again.” Breaks my heart that my grandpa suffered with this. He used to tell me stories about the war after dinners sometimes when he’d had a little too much to drink. It always made him misty eyed.
I think he meant meds
Problem is that he had his breakdown on the Frontline so any medical assistance would have to wait till he came back, sadly his breakdown would have caused the death of many of his comrades, so he was put down.
I knew RV Burgin pretty well. He was one of the Marines holding this guy down, the guy freaking out was actually an Army dog handler. Mr
Burgin carried the name of the man who knocked the panicked soldier out to his grave. He refused to say who it was. I asked him once if the man who did it was still alive, he thought for a minute and said yeah, there's two of us who knows left.
Such a sad story, it seems defining events can be remembered for a lifetime. Did Burgin ever tell the overall story of this event as Sledge did in his book?
Did they kill him?
yeah unfortunately
No he’s fine
Tish but a fleshwound 😂😂@@jakemckeown9459
Nah, he just went to go live on a farm with your old pet.
Had to
I've heard plenty of stories from basic and sleepwalkers are always their weirdest. Worst one was a guy who had extreme night terrors or something, he would start screaming bloody murder randomly during the night and jump out of bed and start running, all while he was asleep. I heard that was affecting everyone so bad he got medically separated.
Funniest one: a guy I worked with said the guy bunking next to him in basic would recite the Declaration of Independence, Consitution, pledge of allegiance, and various famous speeches all in his sleep.
For the folks defending the use of deadly force on a friendly? I hope you aren't serving and have never served. And if you do, you are/were a danger to your unit.
Obviously they had to shut him up somehow. But that doesn't justify killing a fellow soldier.
They didn't kill him on purpose, they were trying to knock him out. That's just the way it went.
You were supposed to hit him with the fucking flat part 😑
First time I saw this scene it was in the series finale for M*A*S*H. At this point, It's been in so many movies, TV shows, and video games it's about played out for me, but I guess it's always somebody's first time to see it.
Yes, it can be unfortunate that fiction can sometimes latch onto a scenario and over time almost turn it into a cliche. For this scenario, though, it is based on an actual event documented by Sledge and in his memoir book, " With the Old Breed". I read it recently, and this may be one of the few instances I felt the show made some mistakes, but overall this happened.
Ohh the chicken on the bus…. ohh man… I’ll never forget it.
Could've just used the butt of your gun....
From what other comment said, it's dark so we don't even know how dark it is and how much he is moving
Snafu was sooo well played
Knocked him out not killed him
There's a small part of the man with the shovel who prays he won't make it home. Because if he makes it home, he'll have to live with what he did for the rest of his life.
Nah
War leaves wreck and ruin in its trail.
With friends like these, who needs enemies? Lol
They did everything they could. Had to be done
@@IAmAFamel Bro. 💀
Well, whek you have ennemies like the japs during ww2 you don't need friend like this
@@AesirUnlimited What would you have done in that situation? Would you have let him keep screaming for who knows how long and get the entire company kill, or would you have attempted to knock him out? Do the opportunity cost. One man or a dozen? Also, in real life they weren’t trying to kill him, but knock him out with the shovel. It was dark, so accidentally they used the sharp end of the shovel and killed him
@@IAmAFamel I can’t say what I would’ve done. The only way to know is be in the situation myself. But I can still say it’s messed up. Because it is. An action made on instinct can still be judged by others.
And this is ho monsters are made because how can someone return back to life after this and not be psycho
I thought a slap or many slaps would wake him up ? Had to be a shovel? Dangggg
He was awake, the fucker had a breakdown and the company was in a shitty situation, so he was put down.
He wasn't put down on purpose. If I remember correctly from the book they were just trying to knock him out but hit him too hard and he died from it
@@aleemizcool3654well its also dark they have to be fast to hit him easy to miss which side is pointed in dark and in panic
Totally wrong you all gave away your position. The morphine was a good idea. If PVT Davis is reading this I hope you are never attacked by your compass again
“Hit him with something”
“Literal murder, comin up!”
Oh so that’s how Twitter users are born
If i knew this was all it took to get morphine....looks like your boy here is about to have an unhinged breakdown wt walmart....
Bro, the situation was to hide or die, if I remember well the show, they were also low in basic supplies like water, morphine, if any, was at the coast, while they were on the frontline.
Morphine at this point in the war was a rarity. Most countries had used up their entire Meth/Morphine supplies in the first months of the war.
Germany invented methadone somewhere down the line as a replacement but at this point in the war it would've been hard getting any I think.
If you want morphine so bad IRL just go to a substitution clinic and ask for substitol lol. Even taking 2 Grams daily stops being fun very quickly.
I think it’s funny that for years it never pinged to me that the guy who played Sledge was the guy who played the kid in Jurassic Park. I recognized him but couldn’t figure out from where.
"Stick em with morphine!!" Shit im freaking out too, better give me some as well.😂😂
One time on convoy our vehicles got attacked, ended up scrapped. We had yo grab yhe boxes and walk the rest of the way. One night we had set ip camp, it was the most relatively safebplace to do so, but not safe by any stretch. We were so close to insurgent forces that we could hear them talking if only very muffled. We hadnlearned we would be staying the night where we were and one guy took it incredibly horribly. In the dead of night st its most quiet, he lets out in the most blood curdling screeching you likely cant even imagine. Acreaming we were gonna die, that it was it they found us and gonna kill us.bwe tried for roughly half a minute to calm him, when we noticed he was giving our position away and was activly fighting against us screaming ad yelling almost lik he was calling to the enemy in a panic attack, but we couldn't get him to stop. Noticed some fellas with a search light wandering a bit too close. Was given the order to "silence," our brother. The most haunting moment was watching the light fade from his eyes as he realized that he got himself an likely all of us killed right then and there from his panic. Choked out "sorry srg idk what came over me.. I'm so sorry, please don't die," while my commanding officer stood over my shoulder ordering it.
Having to put down kids is one thing, having to kill a man you ate and joked with and slept beside and fought sith. Protected and has protected you back... Having to just..
War is the worst thing to ever go through, i can think of nothing more cruel. Just typing thisbout has severely messed my head up. I loved Hammer like a god damned brother, fuck this memory hurts so bad..
Losin his shiz without caring for anyone else.
Because he’s having a nightmare or night terrors …
@RokuroOkAJima I know.. total loser right?
@@daniellombardo27 No.. what’s wrong with you?
@@spacetofu19 Something tells me you'd be the one getting the shovel treatment in this scenario.. for jeopardizing the lives of everyone else.
@@daniellombardo27 You seem like the type of guy who'll somehow get shot in the back during a frontal assault.. And no one could care less of your loss.
Fist->side of jaw
how hard is it?
Against someone in a state of hysteria, it's pretty hard when that's not even guaranteed to knock someone out.
This is the reason why I tell people this series is more honest then Band of brothers because this series doesn't shy away from all parts of war that are not sexy, flashy, larger then life almost and gets down to the most basic of human needs, the need and instinct to stay alive. When you see Band of brothers you can't wait to see what's next. Winters sometime seems almost like a superhero of sorts. Almost feels like he can't die and or other people too in some scenes. When you see The Pacific, you mostly just feel bad for these men, the more and more you watch. You get the feeling they can all die at any point. Not one man seems like the lead man that can't die.
I think that I lost something on Peleliu, perhaps it was the childlike faith that man is basically good. I may have also lost faith that politicians in high places will ever stop sending young men to endure war's cruelties.
-Eugene Sledge
"With the Old Breed"
(paraphrase)
This incident actually happened in the Pacific WWII. Some guys get so scared have nightmares that they have to be kicked out or silenced else enemy fire can destroy an entire squad battalion or platoon. It has happened to every army globally. This marine was unfortunate n had to be killed sadly by his own men in his unit. Hello from India
Yep, a guy can lose it and has and when he does he's working for the other side.
Desmond may not carry a rifle into combat, but he's still one cold mike foxtrot.
"Bro you were supposed to hit him with the broad side, not the edge of the shovel!!"
It's hard to recognize based on the journals that actually happened. I understand why though.
A small price to pay for salvation
Looks like the poor guy had PTSD and was reliving a traumatic memory.
Jesus, did they have to kill him though?
He was a liability
Japanese were a ferocious enemy, the Marines didn’t want their positions being revealed in fear of possibly being shelled with artillery/mortars or their lines unexpectedly overran.
It was accidental they ment to just make him go unconscious
There’s a reason why some marine veterans didn’t talk about the pacific theater a lot of shit you would never think another man could do to another
I wouldnt judge them, they all were trained to their job. If only goverments go to war with them wouldnt that be a sight to behold xD
Reminds me of the final episode of MASH where Hawkeye recounts how a Korean Mother smothered her baby on a bus so a North Korean regiment wouldn't hear it.
Dont get me wrong, Id kill a man too if he was going to get my entire squad killed for such a reason... But none of them knew the sleeper hold? I know it took 5 to pin em down but eesh... no one could get a hold on em?
you're thinking in a modern mindset only mma that was acceptable for americans was boxing and wrestling which has always had problems being an adopted sport.
id love to see you try 🤣only in hollywood you think choking someone out is so easy
Damn, that's awful. Id have thought someone would have some duct tape for a situation like this. I do mean that seriously, there is no comedy in this comment. I genuinely figured they would have a way to shut someone up besides killing him, damn shame. I guess it is what it is. Wars hell.
It's called a chokehold
At the time, I don’t think anybody was trained to do that in hand to hand combat. There was some grappling techniques, but if you look at what’s historically done, they didn’t get trained by that. Or at least I think.
@@Bb-jh9fohell, I never performed a chokehold on someone but I would had at least tried.
@@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D- Except when you are in combat, time is the essence though, so i doubt a chokehold would be enough in the front line unless you break a guys neck in seconds
This kind of thing is only for stealth
That scene is based on a true event...actually this whole series is based on a book by a marine that was there during this campaign.
He returned 70 years later to retrieve his knife he left on the beach...
Friendly fire.
*Isn't*
Poisoned by our enemies
Friendly fucking, or getting friendly fucked
The guy at the end looks like Paulie from Mafia DE
Cold
Academy award winner Rami Malek.
Yk what’s more fucked up? When a Marine blasted his own homie when he jumped out his hole
It was better him than all of them, it still hurts
Why is no one covering his mouth in all this? They didn't try very hard to get him to quiet down before hitting him over the head.
RIP Marine ❤
That guy is weird. Bet something come out about some weird hollywood behavior. Watch
Cowards killing one of their own
Who's the coward again?
The only coward i see here is you
Ask your self, what would you honestly do? Everyone talks tough, on the internet, but what would you do?
Murderers
😭
Problem solvers.
The headlock was invented in 1946.
Mfers in 1945:
I’ve been looking at documentation and stories from the pacific and the European front for a long time. Ww2 is strange. Nothing like Vietnam or eeaentially any conflict afterwords. This generation has no idea what it takes to be a man. I can tell you that as much glory and romanticism that we look back on it with now, I don’t know if this generation or my generation would be able to handle it. Ukraine is a prime example of people not knowing what they’re getting into. I’m not sure I’d fight if I was called. I don’t believe in my government and it’s intentions.
Nobody is being called over there, they're being sacrificed.
"Has no idea what it takes to be a man" lol like you do bro.
@@phoenixaffliction Pretty sure he's including himself in that implication. And tbh? He's right. Generation is soft af. The Greatest Generation was half starved from the depression and literally did whatever it took to not die. Hardest mother fkers in the world, for sure. Dudes would eat nails for breakfast probably. They didn't have time to debate genders and other bullshit.
How old are you? Ive had a US Army major general tell me, that i have giant brassy balls. Idk wtf your problem is kiddo... and i wouldnt need to be drafted to ukraine, it looks like fun.
@@phoenixaffliction nah that was my point I’m soft as fuck too, but I’d like to think I have the courage of my convictions. I won’t fight in a bs the at for bs reasons. Gimme a reason to die and I’ll take the glory for my family.