@@boneappletee6416 As someone who makes his own productivity tools, I can confirm... Not sure if I've actually saved myself more time than I spent on making the tools, but the making was way more fun than the mindless crap I was automating lol.
@@boneappletee6416 That's not actually true, wait i forgot something,..................................................... oh i see that is true, i am having 7 designs ready, and 4 unfinished gadgets, acutally they are outdated for my use, so i gave up on finishing them
They're good, but as someone who used a lot of gamepad with switches like this I think that membrane is still better for handhelds since it's not as clicky and won't be as much of a pain when playing in public or at night in your bed.
@@Saji_0 there are, but I'm yet to encounter any mechanical controller that is not extremely clicky, would love to see them doing something about this if this is the future we're going for
@@TakisEnjoyer there are mechanical switches that are both silent and have no tactile bump. Now I'd argue if you dislike both those features then mechanical switches are probably not for you 😅. When i built my framework handheld, using mechanical switches also provided the option to make them hot swappable, so swapping out the switch for a more tactile one, or a more quiet one would be possible. Essentially you're able to customize it to your likings, as opposed to just settling for what the manufacturer decided to use. The other benefit is repairability. With switches that you can replace on the fly, if anything were to stop working, it would be very easy to swap out assuming you made it hot swappable like my Framedeck. Maybe Tommy's next revision will make use of pcbs with hot swappable sockets. Using mechanical switches in a Framework built device just makes sense in these contexts.
@@TakisEnjoyerIt's a little unfortunate. A lot of people think mechanical switches means it has to be clickly, including oem companies. So a lot of what you'll find available will be clickly to some degree. There's a ton of options for dead silent mechanical switches; companies just don't use them due to the hype of "clicky means better."
I clicked on this video expecting something jankier, I think it's due to the fact that videos of this quality from a decade ago just didn't exist and my brain hasn't caught up to the fact that 3D Printing, really opens up engineering and design to anyone who's willing to work at it! The way everything came together was really clever, you can tell this was a project you've put a lot of thought and time into! Subscribed!
This is fantastic. The use of actual mechanical switches for the buttons is a great idea, and I love that the project doesn't use any custom PCBs (though custom PCB services are ubiquitous enough that this is no longer a huge obstacle to the DIYer).
CONGRATULATIONS. I would love to watch Steam Deck controls cloned, with pads, in future models or perhaps official ones inspired by your project. The great thing about it is that all those parts from upgraded frameworks can be used for handheld PCs, and not just for gaming, I ended using my Steam Deck more as a backup and travel PC than as a game console.
Honestly I’m surprised they haven’t seen this as a huge opportunity, having a handheld kit would be a very interesting thing to add to the main stream handheld market especially for customization
"I'm really close to that 1k mark" *doubles it in 2 days* Great work dude! Can't wait for the final result. Maybe someone will remix it and add PCBs for those willing to outsource that to a manufacturer.
Sitting at 3.5K now. TBH, shockingly low count for someone popping out videos of this quality. For a second, as he's mentioned making that handheld 8 years ago, I thought he had been grinding YT all this time, and was wondering what deity he had angered to only get 1k in 8 years lol. But apparently, he has only been uploading for a year.
Linus really missing out on the brand publicity if he doesnt showcase this and make one himself. Awesome video, cant wait to see how it is when finialized.
This is some amazing and inspired DIY design. Buds, this looks damned near like a professional/corporate/retail R&D build. If v2 isn't where you get it all sorted out, then v3 will definitely be it, because you're so close already! Well Done so far!
Please I need to see part 2😮 And I think that in the final product u should add the motors to add vibration ❤ And last, please use custom pcb for the buttons part, it would make the project just perfect
This is why I like the Framework project as a whole. It allows for cool custom things like this with modular hardware that is easy to replace or upgrade in the future
Awesome design! As a stretch goal for a V2, I think you have exactly 1 spare USB C port (two for the screen and one for the top connector to charge), you should try and integrate a single Framework module bay. An extra USB C port is already useful, but if it could also be an HDMI port, or a storage expansion, etc. that'd be fantastic.
This is awesome! I wonder if Framework have considered selling different kits for laptops/handhelds/mini PCs... I would love a clamshell gaming PC with a big battery (like the Ayaneo Flip, but 90Wh). The maintainability/upgradability is a massive boon.
I was just thinking the same thing last night when looking at framework boards. And i thought this might work in a hand held format. And then i find this guy’s video on his own design. I got to say I’m really liking the modular hand held idea.
Great work so far! Very similar to a project I'm working on currently. I'll share your video on my discord, hopefully my viewers will come and give you some views!
I really like this as a prototype for something like this! Some modifications i would personally make is instead of key switches which are pretty bulky, I would look into using Omron B3F style switches like in a nintendo switch. you could even design around existing buttons from something like an xbox or a ps4 controller. I believe there are mods for both using these Omron B3F switches already. There are also right angle B3F switches, so with a single pcb, you would be able to have all of your buttons and your top shoulder buttons all in one. You could then use something like a keyswitch for the triggers, as the triggers in most controllers traditionally have a longer travel. I would also try and use a panel type USB-C extension for charging. It would be WAY cleaner if you can figure out how to fit one. it could be as simple swapping the direction of the adapter connection and just finding somewhere to hide the excess cable. These would probably interfere with the hall effect joysticks, but if possible, using magnets for the different analogue stick plates would be a HUGE convenience, both in terms of swapping them out as well as prototyping them and making sure they stay straight. I would also for sure look into adding some kind of pointer device other than just a touch screen. I would either look into a Primori Trackball ie the PIM447, which is a TINY all in one trackball that can be easily fitted into small spaces, or touchpads like the Glidepoint Circle Trackpads (I believe a version of these were used in the Vive controllers.) If you need help with either of these, I would look into the Ergo Keyboards community. In any case, I adore these designs so much! Abs could be a really interesting material to use for an actual usable model, as you can do some really cool finishing with it, including vapor polishing. Cant wait to see what you come up with!
Those B3F switches are also sold as generic options usually called "tact switches" in various sizes and heights. They're usually the more clicky ones with not a lot of travel. Adafruit also sells some interesting ones with soft silicone tops with more travel. Basically those have the feel of button membranes but built into the individual switches.
I built a rpi portable in 2022 and seeing this project has me wanting to revisit my own. This is really cool and I like how well thought out your design is
Suggested by the YT algorithm gods and I love these DIY Framework projects, would love to see any other things you do in the future, earned a sub! Now to see your cat play Valo.
youtube recomennded me this video. I assumed this video was from some large channel due to the high quality nature and effort put in and then I saw only 5.7k subscribers. Well you earned yourself another sub, this is amazing I look forward to the next video.
I really don't like d-pad as 4 separate plastic pieces, but everything else seems pretty sturdy, well designed and a lot of effort definitely has gone through the whole process. It's impressive to see this level of expertise!
The level of effort and attention that has gone into this project is really inspiring for a young maker like me, I really hope I'll be able to make such sick stuff one day
Beautiful! I love my steam deck, but a framework board inside a steam deck form factor would be heavenly. Your handheld looks great even as a rough draft.
Huh the project is just wow! Have a couple of suggestions: Suggestion 1: you can try to print the case with ASA or HIPS plastics instead of ABS. Suggestion 2: to make joystick "plate" stiffer, you can try to print it with HIPS (it might be used for the case itself also) and add vertical stiffener kinda fins. Suggestion 3: it might be possible to make buttons holes just a bit bigger to accept some kind of connectors from the other side of the "plate" and have solderless and maybe even hot-swappable switches.
11th gen intel framework motherboard has a known issue with the cmos battery. It will only charge when plugged in, even if an onboard battery is installed. Basically if you have it in storage for a long while, you have to plug it in to start the first time. Hope this helps, and great video!
Awesome video and I've been racking around to do a video making my own gaming handheld, but never would have thought of using Framework parts. Very genius thinking. Definitely looking forward for an update on this project!
Custom PCBs would definitely help slim it down and make it easier to assemble, and with services like pcb way it would be easy to keep it available to the public if you wish to share, awesome project can't wait for more iterations!
I've always wanted to do something like this! Though I would've keyed the thumbstick wells with a square-shaped inner collar/brace so that the knurled octagonal collar doesn't need the knurling or the threading or any special tools, and just use (fairly common and cheap yet strong) N45 magnets to hold it in place.
@@sonicpelaajaProbably, but you can calibrate the joysticks and the magnets can be placed in a symmetrical fashion to cancel each other out. Personally I find that would be easier to adjust than getting the printer perfectly calibrated so that the threads on the thumbstick well and collar work properly.
I would really like to see a symmetrical version with the analogs both down low. Shouldn't be too difficult given the modularity of the design. Either way, an amazing piece of work!
A thing you could do for analog triggers is use that one hall effect sensor. Not sure how exactly you would map it, but since it only works on one axis, it pretty much is a variable resistor.
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really excited for the finished build! awesome work so far
1. Make more usb-c inputs, at least another one, it is something that Steam Deck misses 2. If you want to make all models public, please add two models for front panel and plate that holds left dpad and joystick, where dpad is above joystick, because some people like PS type of gamepads (this is one of the reasons I chose Steam Deck instead of other devices, I also have Nintendo Switch, but controls there are painful) 3. If you insert gyroscope in there, this would be overkill Everything else looks perfect, hope you will get this project done, I would love to see the results of your work, good luck!
I really don't mind the video length! Indepth explanations and overviews is what I live for. Also this is sick as hell and makes me very excited for the future of handheld gaming!
one thing you could do is model the little standoffs to fit the framework's cutoffs for screws. this way, it will always align well with the bottom posts. also, if there is any touchscreen model with a single cable, you could benefit from one less cable and adapter. also also, if you could develop the custom pcb, there are services that can make them for very cheap, in many colors, and you can even get the case printed in different materials together with the case.
A tip for soldering to key switches. Especially hall effect. You cannot get the switch very hot at all. Couple of my modding buddies that like to swap out joysticks. They either socket the joystick or let it cool in between wires and solder on low heat with lots of flux
DUDE this is awesome and I see that some how ;) Framework found you on X and tweeted this video out. Fingers crossed for you good sir. Keep the amazing coming!!!
That's awesome! There might be a small enthusiast market for Framework mobo like the one you are using or smaller one (Steam Deck size, might be soldered RAM tho) for DIY handheld for sure. Like maybe a new mobo ''standard'' for handheld devices and NUC? I would love to see a Framework handheld using more ''off the shelf'' Laptop parts, devices like ROG Ally, Legion Go rely a LOT a manufacturer for updates, features VS more mainstream SoC like 7840U/8840U, etc.
fantastic work man. i can tell youre a tinkerer, like me. I have a degree in IT Systems/Cyber security but I like to tinker with electronics and even some mechanical stuff. the 3d printed parts are amazing, im wanting to eventually get into 3D printing...i think it wuld grealty expand my tinkering potentials
I think for the standoffs that are free standing you could make them slot into place if you made small cut outs in the flat piece which would connect them together, allowing you to still print it flat but have it snap into one piece before screwing together
I saw this in recommended and thought 'oh, well of course it has 17 million views, I'll get around to it later' - Just 17,000 people? Nah man, this one has to blow up, should be featured on the Wan show (LTT).
Having actual mechanical switches for your buttons mean that your controller implementation of controller inputs are far superior than many other controller makers out there. Even Gulikit kinda use a membrane like switch. Though, to keep it hot-swappable, I would recommend using mill max sockets similar to the ones used in mechanical keyboards and just solder the sockets so in case you need to replace the switch, you don't have to pull out the soldering iron again. For the trigger buttons, the buttons are almost always some form of hall effect sensor. You may need a PCB of some sort which contains a magnetic sensor to screw in then a spring mechanism and a triggger which carries some magnet. However, the mechanics of that is beyond my paygrade so I hope you can find someone who can help you with making the triggers hall effect.
Could use the through-hole transistor-package hall-effect sensors, and a magnet in a 3D-printed mechanism, to avoid use of a PCB. The quality ones are often stupidly export-restricted from the USA though, so if you're not American or willing to pledge your undying hatred of Cubans and social safety nets to get clearance for them from the usual American hobbyist resellers you'll have to order them from the original manufacturers in China/etc; or another non-USA source. Or most American sources stock special 'high noise' models (rejects?) that are apparently not 'at risk of uplifting the Soviets' according to silly old Cold-War laws.
I would love to see the use of analog optical switches in the triggers now that they are becoming mainstream. Also Nuphy has great spins on gateron low profile switches you might consider. I like the Moss ones.
Love the project! Can't wait to see you polish up the design. How receptive are you to feedback about design ideas? I understand wanting it but also not wanting it. Cheers!
I am receptive LOL. That being said I don't think many changes will be made to this revision but maybe a future version...especially if i get my hands one of those mainboards with the amd 7840U
I believe it didnt boot off the battery because of the chassis intrusion switched on the MB. Pretty sure you can just disable them in the BIOS though. Really cool project and gl getting it finished!
I love this idea, I wonder if it could made slightly smaller using the FW 55WH battery instead of the 61WH. This would also be great with the AMD board framework has since its an APU similar to the steamdeck. Slap chimeraOS on that bad boy and you've got a DIY steamdeck that's upgradable. It'd also be hilarious to mod stuff up so one of the USB-C ports has in input of the bottom of this handheld. Then you could do something like attach a framework bottom with with the keyboard, touchpad and battery with a clamp and USB-C so you can make it a "steamdecktop" with extra battery when you want it lmao. Although that would certainly require more modding with extra controller boards to convert the keyboard and touchpad into USB. The sheer mad scientist possibilities excites me.
If possible, I recommend either Hall Effect Joystick's OR, alternatively, prepare the shell to swap the joysticks out like secured cartridge's when one face's DRIFT. Kickstand for support, Bluetooth and if you got a favorite video game, apply a stick or design it with a splash of the character you want.
First video I've seen from you, just ended it and went to subscribe, I'm impressed that you are a small youtuber, good quality video, good editing, good charisma, etc. I think you'll succeed if you keep working like that.
You know, you are completely right and at first I planned to but chocs use 2 little clips to attach, and i was worried about 3d printing those and them being strong enough so i went with switches that had the classic cherry cross pattern. However, since i am getting the buttons resin printed, maybe i could look back into chocs for another revision. Also, i just ordered some switches called the gateron banana, which is apparently supposed to be better than brown, so we'll see how those do!
I have been wanting to tackle a similar project, seeing what you're doing here is awesome and inspirational. Although I am no where near as knowledgeable or talented so maybe I should take on some simpler projects first.
Would it be possible to design this so that the motherboard is flipped? So that you can access the SSDs just by removing the back cover? Or would that negatively affect CPU airflow? Very cool project. I like how it looks. I hope you get to finish it soon. I subscribed.
That would require some testing but by inspection it looks like the fan prefers breathing from one side over the other. I do like the idea though! Maybe it could be done with a bit of air ducting in the 3d model? Not sure
Hey man. This is awesome. I have built a mini pc around the motherboard so I know how much work this was - and your design is more complex than my own. I have some of the breakout boards and mezzanine connectors for the power switch/usb etc. I'll pop one in the post to you if you like. Will need the mezzanine connector smd soldering. Reply to me here if you want it and can figure out how to connect
Looks amazing, i would recommend physically flipping the display, because flipping it in software adds latency and sometimes makes the text look blurry (linus also made a video about a double monitor that had this issue)
Interesting! I actually already flipped it in the model because I found out the splash screen would always be upside down, and that bothered me, haha. I am glad to know i am avoiding another issue!
This is a great work and the best try i have seen of a real working prototype of something that could really sell. I really hope frameworks hire you to make a real version
I know for a fact that there are analog keyboard switches that you could possibly consider using, though they might not be as low profile as your current switches :) Also, for a choice of operating system, Bazzite might be a really good choice just because it's very easy to get your own DYI steamdeck UI set up on there. Especially with the X360 config that Steam provides to the OS, you'll have yourself a one-and-done gaming setup :D This is absurdly good already though, even for a clearly WIP first iteration. I hope Framework does consider sending you some spare boards!
Here from a Framework re-tweet! I can see a lot of effort & thought went into this Framework-based handheld, well done!
I have spent an absurb amount of hours so far, and it isn't quite finished yet! Lol
@@TommyBee456 very few home projects are ever "done" 😉 :p
@@boneappletee6416 As someone who makes his own productivity tools, I can confirm...
Not sure if I've actually saved myself more time than I spent on making the tools, but the making was way more fun than the mindless crap I was automating lol.
@@TommyBee456 needs a slide-down keyboard
@@boneappletee6416 That's not actually true, wait i forgot something,..................................................... oh i see that is true, i am having 7 designs ready, and 4 unfinished gadgets, acutally they are outdated for my use, so i gave up on finishing them
Mechanical switches as face buttons are really underrated. Glad to see other people working on this idea too!
They're good, but as someone who used a lot of gamepad with switches like this I think that membrane is still better for handhelds since it's not as clicky and won't be as much of a pain when playing in public or at night in your bed.
@@TakisEnjoyer you know there's silent switches right? and a bit of lube, you basically get the best switches for this thing
@@Saji_0 there are, but I'm yet to encounter any mechanical controller that is not extremely clicky, would love to see them doing something about this if this is the future we're going for
@@TakisEnjoyer there are mechanical switches that are both silent and have no tactile bump. Now I'd argue if you dislike both those features then mechanical switches are probably not for you 😅. When i built my framework handheld, using mechanical switches also provided the option to make them hot swappable, so swapping out the switch for a more tactile one, or a more quiet one would be possible. Essentially you're able to customize it to your likings, as opposed to just settling for what the manufacturer decided to use.
The other benefit is repairability. With switches that you can replace on the fly, if anything were to stop working, it would be very easy to swap out assuming you made it hot swappable like my Framedeck. Maybe Tommy's next revision will make use of pcbs with hot swappable sockets.
Using mechanical switches in a Framework built device just makes sense in these contexts.
@@TakisEnjoyerIt's a little unfortunate. A lot of people think mechanical switches means it has to be clickly, including oem companies. So a lot of what you'll find available will be clickly to some degree. There's a ton of options for dead silent mechanical switches; companies just don't use them due to the hype of "clicky means better."
I clicked on this video expecting something jankier, I think it's due to the fact that videos of this quality from a decade ago just didn't exist and my brain hasn't caught up to the fact that 3D Printing, really opens up engineering and design to anyone who's willing to work at it! The way everything came together was really clever, you can tell this was a project you've put a lot of thought and time into! Subscribed!
You need to watch some videos from DIY Perks. It will blow your mind
This is fantastic. The use of actual mechanical switches for the buttons is a great idea, and I love that the project doesn't use any custom PCBs (though custom PCB services are ubiquitous enough that this is no longer a huge obstacle to the DIYer).
Yeah PCB Way has especially made this waaaay easier 😅
Here from the Framework re-tweet!
Really one of the best concepts I have seen in a while 😮🔥
the Linus disclosure was hilarious.
CONGRATULATIONS. I would love to watch Steam Deck controls cloned, with pads, in future models or perhaps official ones inspired by your project.
The great thing about it is that all those parts from upgraded frameworks can be used for handheld PCs, and not just for gaming, I ended using my Steam Deck more as a backup and travel PC than as a game console.
Framework should just buy this, refine it and sell it as a kit (while keeping it open source)
Honestly I’m surprised they haven’t seen this as a huge opportunity, having a handheld kit would be a very interesting thing to add to the main stream handheld market especially for customization
A world with fully customizable and upgradable handhelds would be amazing.
"I'm really close to that 1k mark"
*doubles it in 2 days*
Great work dude! Can't wait for the final result. Maybe someone will remix it and add PCBs for those willing to outsource that to a manufacturer.
Sitting at 3.5K now. TBH, shockingly low count for someone popping out videos of this quality.
For a second, as he's mentioned making that handheld 8 years ago, I thought he had been grinding YT all this time, and was wondering what deity he had angered to only get 1k in 8 years lol. But apparently, he has only been uploading for a year.
I do enjoy the longer videos! You did an amazing job with explaining your thought process, and I appreciate the attention to detail!
As a prototype this thing is already awesome! I love the use of low profile switches. Can't wait to watch the next vid!
Linus really missing out on the brand publicity if he doesnt showcase this and make one himself.
Awesome video, cant wait to see how it is when finialized.
Facts Framework needs to bring him in and streamline this into production handhelds are making a comeback
This is some amazing and inspired DIY design.
Buds, this looks damned near like a professional/corporate/retail R&D build.
If v2 isn't where you get it all sorted out, then v3 will definitely be it, because you're so close already!
Well Done so far!
Please I need to see part 2😮
And I think that in the final product u should add the motors to add vibration ❤
And last, please use custom pcb for the buttons part, it would make the project just perfect
This is why I like the Framework project as a whole. It allows for cool custom things like this with modular hardware that is easy to replace or upgrade in the future
Looking forward to the next instalment.
_7 inches are plenty but I won't deny 8 inches are way more satisfying_
Awesome design! As a stretch goal for a V2, I think you have exactly 1 spare USB C port (two for the screen and one for the top connector to charge), you should try and integrate a single Framework module bay. An extra USB C port is already useful, but if it could also be an HDMI port, or a storage expansion, etc. that'd be fantastic.
This is awesome! I wonder if Framework have considered selling different kits for laptops/handhelds/mini PCs... I would love a clamshell gaming PC with a big battery (like the Ayaneo Flip, but 90Wh). The maintainability/upgradability is a massive boon.
I was just thinking the same thing last night when looking at framework boards. And i thought this might work in a hand held format. And then i find this guy’s video on his own design. I got to say I’m really liking the modular hand held idea.
Great work so far! Very similar to a project I'm working on currently. I'll share your video on my discord, hopefully my viewers will come and give you some views!
Here from Dan's post 🎉
Woah awesome! Thanks
This looks pretty well thought-out. I am excited for further revisions.
I really like this as a prototype for something like this! Some modifications i would personally make is instead of key switches which are pretty bulky, I would look into using Omron B3F style switches like in a nintendo switch. you could even design around existing buttons from something like an xbox or a ps4 controller. I believe there are mods for both using these Omron B3F switches already. There are also right angle B3F switches, so with a single pcb, you would be able to have all of your buttons and your top shoulder buttons all in one. You could then use something like a keyswitch for the triggers, as the triggers in most controllers traditionally have a longer travel.
I would also try and use a panel type USB-C extension for charging. It would be WAY cleaner if you can figure out how to fit one. it could be as simple swapping the direction of the adapter connection and just finding somewhere to hide the excess cable.
These would probably interfere with the hall effect joysticks, but if possible, using magnets for the different analogue stick plates would be a HUGE convenience, both in terms of swapping them out as well as prototyping them and making sure they stay straight.
I would also for sure look into adding some kind of pointer device other than just a touch screen. I would either look into a Primori Trackball ie the PIM447, which is a TINY all in one trackball that can be easily fitted into small spaces, or touchpads like the Glidepoint Circle Trackpads (I believe a version of these were used in the Vive controllers.) If you need help with either of these, I would look into the Ergo Keyboards community.
In any case, I adore these designs so much! Abs could be a really interesting material to use for an actual usable model, as you can do some really cool finishing with it, including vapor polishing. Cant wait to see what you come up with!
These are a lot of interesting suggestions. Thanks!
Those B3F switches are also sold as generic options usually called "tact switches" in various sizes and heights. They're usually the more clicky ones with not a lot of travel. Adafruit also sells some interesting ones with soft silicone tops with more travel. Basically those have the feel of button membranes but built into the individual switches.
I built a rpi portable in 2022 and seeing this project has me wanting to revisit my own. This is really cool and I like how well thought out your design is
Suggested by the YT algorithm gods and I love these DIY Framework projects, would love to see any other things you do in the future, earned a sub! Now to see your cat play Valo.
youtube recomennded me this video. I assumed this video was from some large channel due to the high quality nature and effort put in and then I saw only 5.7k subscribers. Well you earned yourself another sub, this is amazing I look forward to the next video.
I really don't like d-pad as 4 separate plastic pieces, but everything else seems pretty sturdy, well designed and a lot of effort definitely has gone through the whole process. It's impressive to see this level of expertise!
The level of effort and attention that has gone into this project is really inspiring for a young maker like me, I really hope I'll be able to make such sick stuff one day
Beautiful! I love my steam deck, but a framework board inside a steam deck form factor would be heavenly. Your handheld looks great even as a rough draft.
Honestly this video was the perfect length, no need to shorten the next one!
Huh the project is just wow!
Have a couple of suggestions:
Suggestion 1: you can try to print the case with ASA or HIPS plastics instead of ABS.
Suggestion 2: to make joystick "plate" stiffer, you can try to print it with HIPS (it might be used for the case itself also) and add vertical stiffener kinda fins.
Suggestion 3: it might be possible to make buttons holes just a bit bigger to accept some kind of connectors from the other side of the "plate" and have solderless and maybe even hot-swappable switches.
11th gen intel framework motherboard has a known issue with the cmos battery. It will only charge when plugged in, even if an onboard battery is installed.
Basically if you have it in storage for a long while, you have to plug it in to start the first time. Hope this helps, and great video!
This is insane! You're an awesome designer I can't wait to see how the project develops.
i love how incredibly well this is designed!
Awesome video and I've been racking around to do a video making my own gaming handheld, but never would have thought of using Framework parts. Very genius thinking. Definitely looking forward for an update on this project!
Framework could make a fantastic Aya neo or steam deck competitor!
15:24 i think there are analog keyboard switches somewhere on the internet, maybe you can use a pair of those in the future😇
Custom PCBs would definitely help slim it down and make it easier to assemble, and with services like pcb way it would be easy to keep it available to the public if you wish to share, awesome project can't wait for more iterations!
I've always wanted to do something like this! Though I would've keyed the thumbstick wells with a square-shaped inner collar/brace so that the knurled octagonal collar doesn't need the knurling or the threading or any special tools, and just use (fairly common and cheap yet strong) N45 magnets to hold it in place.
Wouldn't the magnets interfere with the hall effect joysticks function?
@@sonicpelaajaProbably, but you can calibrate the joysticks and the magnets can be placed in a symmetrical fashion to cancel each other out. Personally I find that would be easier to adjust than getting the printer perfectly calibrated so that the threads on the thumbstick well and collar work properly.
I would really like to see a symmetrical version with the analogs both down low.
Shouldn't be too difficult given the modularity of the design.
Either way, an amazing piece of work!
I had the same idea! Glad someone with the skills is gonna do it!
A thing you could do for analog triggers is use that one hall effect sensor. Not sure how exactly you would map it, but since it only works on one axis, it pretty much is a variable resistor.
really excited for the finished build! awesome work so far
1. Make more usb-c inputs, at least another one, it is something that Steam Deck misses
2. If you want to make all models public, please add two models for front panel and plate that holds left dpad and joystick, where dpad is above joystick, because some people like PS type of gamepads (this is one of the reasons I chose Steam Deck instead of other devices, I also have Nintendo Switch, but controls there are painful)
3. If you insert gyroscope in there, this would be overkill
Everything else looks perfect, hope you will get this project done, I would love to see the results of your work, good luck!
I really don't mind the video length! Indepth explanations and overviews is what I live for. Also this is sick as hell and makes me very excited for the future of handheld gaming!
There are actually analog linear key switches! Not sure if low profile ones exist but you could definitely look into those for the triggers.
one thing you could do is model the little standoffs to fit the framework's cutoffs for screws. this way, it will always align well with the bottom posts. also, if there is any touchscreen model with a single cable, you could benefit from one less cable and adapter. also also, if you could develop the custom pcb, there are services that can make them for very cheap, in many colors, and you can even get the case printed in different materials together with the case.
A tip for soldering to key switches. Especially hall effect. You cannot get the switch very hot at all. Couple of my modding buddies that like to swap out joysticks. They either socket the joystick or let it cool in between wires and solder on low heat with lots of flux
Good to know! Thanks
This is looking great so far. I can't wait to see how it ends up.
DUDE this is awesome and I see that some how ;) Framework found you on X and tweeted this video out. Fingers crossed for you good sir. Keep the amazing coming!!!
Whats x?
That's awesome! There might be a small enthusiast market for Framework mobo like the one you are using or smaller one (Steam Deck size, might be soldered RAM tho) for DIY handheld for sure. Like maybe a new mobo ''standard'' for handheld devices and NUC? I would love to see a Framework handheld using more ''off the shelf'' Laptop parts, devices like ROG Ally, Legion Go rely a LOT a manufacturer for updates, features VS more mainstream SoC like 7840U/8840U, etc.
First time I actually watched this channel, it was a really good video and I liked the length actually
Dude thats awesome.. looking forward to the follow-up video!
Amazing project. Can't wait to see it in ABS and the benchmarks, specially battery life!
Dude. This!!! If only framework had a risc-v processor and this would be perfect for my game console project. but a handheld idea is pretty awesome.
Good looking handheld bud. I love how you took the design into your own hands. Being able to change out the keys is awesome.
Keep working on this. If you get to a point where it's really really good, I might actually try to build one of these myself.
I've had this idea for ages, glad to see someone do it :)
Nice job, nice design, nice editing, overall great job.
fantastic work man. i can tell youre a tinkerer, like me. I have a degree in IT Systems/Cyber security but I like to tinker with electronics and even some mechanical stuff. the 3d printed parts are amazing, im wanting to eventually get into 3D printing...i think it wuld grealty expand my tinkering potentials
I think for the standoffs that are free standing you could make them slot into place if you made small cut outs in the flat piece which would connect them together, allowing you to still print it flat but have it snap into one piece before screwing together
I saw this in recommended and thought 'oh, well of course it has 17 million views, I'll get around to it later' - Just 17,000 people? Nah man, this one has to blow up, should be featured on the Wan show (LTT).
Great build man, love the problem solving. I'm building a portable PS4, and have had similar obstacles. Keen to see the next episode 👌
New to the channel, this is awesome. started working through your backlog and realized how much of a gem this channel is.. keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do!
amazing work! looking forward to the finished product
cool project, and i love that process of making gamepad that should be lot of fun
This is awesome! Id love to see maybe as a version 2 you go all in on custom PCBs and wiring
this is so cool. can't wait for the next vid where you finalize everything
Having actual mechanical switches for your buttons mean that your controller implementation of controller inputs are far superior than many other controller makers out there. Even Gulikit kinda use a membrane like switch. Though, to keep it hot-swappable, I would recommend using mill max sockets similar to the ones used in mechanical keyboards and just solder the sockets so in case you need to replace the switch, you don't have to pull out the soldering iron again.
For the trigger buttons, the buttons are almost always some form of hall effect sensor. You may need a PCB of some sort which contains a magnetic sensor to screw in then a spring mechanism and a triggger which carries some magnet. However, the mechanics of that is beyond my paygrade so I hope you can find someone who can help you with making the triggers hall effect.
Could use the through-hole transistor-package hall-effect sensors, and a magnet in a 3D-printed mechanism, to avoid use of a PCB. The quality ones are often stupidly export-restricted from the USA though, so if you're not American or willing to pledge your undying hatred of Cubans and social safety nets to get clearance for them from the usual American hobbyist resellers you'll have to order them from the original manufacturers in China/etc; or another non-USA source. Or most American sources stock special 'high noise' models (rejects?) that are apparently not 'at risk of uplifting the Soviets' according to silly old Cold-War laws.
"SLA printed by a future sponsor" I WONDER who THEY are lmao
As a Fellow Framework owner, I love seeing the projects the community is making!
Have you thought about printing in PETG instead of ABS+ ?
I would love to see the use of analog optical switches in the triggers now that they are becoming mainstream. Also Nuphy has great spins on gateron low profile switches you might consider. I like the Moss ones.
Love the project! Can't wait to see you polish up the design. How receptive are you to feedback about design ideas? I understand wanting it but also not wanting it. Cheers!
I am receptive LOL. That being said I don't think many changes will be made to this revision but maybe a future version...especially if i get my hands one of those mainboards with the amd 7840U
Went from close to the 1k mark to close to the 2k mark almost overnight. Amazing work man!
If you get this down to a plug and play kit, I'll buy one from you asap. I love the handhelds, but an upgradable one would be rad!!
I really like using petg for projects like this. it has the strength and heat protection of abs without being annoying to print
I’m gonna need to figure out the gateron buttons thing. Looks great!
That is really cool, can't wait to see the final version
I believe it didnt boot off the battery because of the chassis intrusion switched on the MB. Pretty sure you can just disable them in the BIOS though. Really cool project and gl getting it finished!
I love this idea, I wonder if it could made slightly smaller using the FW 55WH battery instead of the 61WH. This would also be great with the AMD board framework has since its an APU similar to the steamdeck. Slap chimeraOS on that bad boy and you've got a DIY steamdeck that's upgradable.
It'd also be hilarious to mod stuff up so one of the USB-C ports has in input of the bottom of this handheld. Then you could do something like attach a framework bottom with with the keyboard, touchpad and battery with a clamp and USB-C so you can make it a "steamdecktop" with extra battery when you want it lmao. Although that would certainly require more modding with extra controller boards to convert the keyboard and touchpad into USB.
The sheer mad scientist possibilities excites me.
I was literally just thinking about doing something like this, glad to see someone else try it out first, good luck!
such a
hard production, fully respect.
If possible, I recommend either Hall Effect Joystick's OR, alternatively, prepare the shell to swap the joysticks out like secured cartridge's when one face's DRIFT.
Kickstand for support, Bluetooth and if you got a favorite video game, apply a stick or design it with a splash of the character you want.
First video I've seen from you, just ended it and went to subscribe, I'm impressed that you are a small youtuber, good quality video, good editing, good charisma, etc. I think you'll succeed if you keep working like that.
Do you think you could make a version for choc switches? There's a lot more options (like sunsets which are FAR better than browns)
You know, you are completely right and at first I planned to but chocs use 2 little clips to attach, and i was worried about 3d printing those and them being strong enough so i went with switches that had the classic cherry cross pattern. However, since i am getting the buttons resin printed, maybe i could look back into chocs for another revision. Also, i just ordered some switches called the gateron banana, which is apparently supposed to be better than brown, so we'll see how those do!
@@TommyBee456 makes sense, yeah I wouldn't trust FDM choc keycaps, but resin should be fine. It's more of just a friction fit than clips fyi 👍
The quality of this is good enough that I honestly would have believed that you did UA-cam for a living
This is seriously sweet!
Do you have any plans to sell this as a kit?
lovely video. i don't think it's too long at all. i think it's just the right length!
I have been wanting to tackle a similar project, seeing what you're doing here is awesome and inspirational. Although I am no where near as knowledgeable or talented so maybe I should take on some simpler projects first.
Would it be possible to design this so that the motherboard is flipped? So that you can access the SSDs just by removing the back cover? Or would that negatively affect CPU airflow? Very cool project. I like how it looks. I hope you get to finish it soon. I subscribed.
That would require some testing but by inspection it looks like the fan prefers breathing from one side over the other. I do like the idea though! Maybe it could be done with a bit of air ducting in the 3d model? Not sure
Now this is a cool af idea! Really looking forward to seeing the design iterated on.
Hey man. This is awesome. I have built a mini pc around the motherboard so I know how much work this was - and your design is more complex than my own.
I have some of the breakout boards and mezzanine connectors for the power switch/usb etc. I'll pop one in the post to you if you like. Will need the mezzanine connector smd soldering.
Reply to me here if you want it and can figure out how to connect
Looks amazing, i would recommend physically flipping the display, because flipping it in software adds latency and sometimes makes the text look blurry (linus also made a video about a double monitor that had this issue)
Interesting! I actually already flipped it in the model because I found out the splash screen would always be upside down, and that bothered me, haha. I am glad to know i am avoiding another issue!
This is fantastic great work new subscriber here I can’t wait to see the finished product 🤘😎
This is pretty awesome ngl. Wonderful job!
This is amazing, because of this i subscribed, so cool to see you working on a unique project, i can't wait to see the full completed working model
looking forward to v3.2ish of this project
This is a great work and the best try i have seen of a real working prototype of something that could really sell. I really hope frameworks hire you to make a real version
I know for a fact that there are analog keyboard switches that you could possibly consider using, though they might not be as low profile as your current switches :)
Also, for a choice of operating system, Bazzite might be a really good choice just because it's very easy to get your own DYI steamdeck UI set up on there. Especially with the X360 config that Steam provides to the OS, you'll have yourself a one-and-done gaming setup :D
This is absurdly good already though, even for a clearly WIP first iteration. I hope Framework does consider sending you some spare boards!
Dude nice project.