Why Movie Sonic Is Not A Good Hero - Full Episode | Sasso Studios

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  • Опубліковано 9 вер 2022
  • Hi there Sassnicks!
    We originally wanted to release this as one video, but due to time constraints we had to release it as two videos. So now we have the full debate and concept in one glorious episode. We look at Movie Sonic through the lens of what makes a good hero in story telling and why he doesn't fit within "The Hero's Journey". This will lead up to another video essay on the "Sonic 2" movie. As always we want to hear your opinions. More than anything we love making videos and communicating with the Sassnick.
    What do you think? Does Movie Sonic fit within "The Hero's Journey"? What makes a good hero to you?
    Until next time Sassnicks!
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    Narration - Jim Sass/Meldrizzly
    Sonic - Sasso
    Tails - Evelyn Rivera
    Post-production -
    Video Editing & Sound Design - Jim Sass/Meldrizzly
    Video Clips : Sonic The Hedgehog (The Movie), Sonic The Hedgehog (Sat AM)
    Previous animation: • Tails and Amy React To...
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  • @MrApex-xz2ge
    @MrApex-xz2ge Рік тому +33

    What I think many miss (especially in the comments here) is that game Sonic has a different arc than Movie Sonic. The game iteration of the character (and many of those in other media) has a flat arc. It is his unchanging and unbreakable good nature that inspires change in those around him. However, the intention of the Movie iteration is to show his growth into a good hero. This video points out the differences in Movie Sonic's arc, and the flaws of its execution, in the first film. I like both Sonic movies a lot. Heck, the first film got me back into the franchise after years away since Sonic X stopped airing when I was a kid. However, these movies are FAR from perfect in how they've written Sonic's journey into becoming a hero. Thanks for making this video, Sasso. You made a number of points I never considered previously.

    • @ElmundodeMily
      @ElmundodeMily Рік тому +1

      Sabes que a mi me pasó igual cuando vi la 1 película de sonic me acorde de la franquicia de sonic que había olvidado hace mucho tiempo asique bolvi de nuevo.

  • @brabbit330
    @brabbit330 Рік тому +27

    While movie Sonic isn’t as secure or as competent as his game or SatAM counterparts, I think he’s still ok.
    In your analysis of the character, you skipped over the early part of the film where Tom gets threatened by Robotnik inside the home and Sonic decided to jump out and reveal himself rather than let Tom die for him.
    You make it sound like this version of Sonic is the most selfish and manipulative version of him, but respectfully I disagree.
    While he has a long way to go to being the best version of Sonic, I think movie 1 Sonic does show some heroic qualities. He clearly cares about Tom and is willing to put himself at risk to help him, even if he’s unwilling to say so or show it more directly in their low stake personal interactions.

  • @loiiysailor1177
    @loiiysailor1177 Рік тому +18

    Isn't Movie Sonic going through a characther arc by learning how to take responsibility as a hero? or this is excuse to trash it?

  • @sarathewizard4405
    @sarathewizard4405 Рік тому

    That was amazing! I totally see where you're coming from. Thank you for making this video!

  • @LogoDojo
    @LogoDojo Рік тому +7

    Your monologues are very good! You make interesting points, present great and fun material, and your speaking voice is very engaging. I came to know of your work from past animations, (and oh my gosh how funny and well done and perfect) yet I am so pleased to find out you are great to listen to.
    Keep up the awesome work.

  • @LemonEditsAndReviews
    @LemonEditsAndReviews Рік тому +17

    At least it wasn't old movie sonic design

    • @expboyx2834
      @expboyx2834 Рік тому +2

      Yeah

    • @ATHBizarre
      @ATHBizarre Рік тому

      But that wouldn’t change his character, at least as far as we know.

  • @marianasenciongomez8786
    @marianasenciongomez8786 Рік тому +6

    Maybe you are right in some arguments but if Sonic Movie is not so close to the games, it is a different version of Sonic and it is also a version of Sonic that is learning how to be a hero literally in the 2 even Sonic himself He says he is learning. That is, Sonic Movie is more childish because, unlike the original, which is more or less mature, it is a little younger, like 14 years old, it is a rookie. And I don't understand why in your series or movie whatever Sonic vs Sonic Movie you do to see Sonic Movie be the antagonist, it would be better if it was like the Batman vs Super Man movie

  • @lobardodelainternet4253
    @lobardodelainternet4253 Рік тому +14

    I think you guys took this whole narrative and hero's journey thing way too seriously, and this whole critique sounds more like you guys wanting Movie Sonic to be exactly like the one from the games and not understanding why they're different in the first place.
    First of all, the movie is good, not perfect, but good and enjoyable. Sonic was never a hero, and that's why he doesn't know how to be one, and the only experience he has is with a cop from a little town who's just doing the right thing without getting into danger whom he's watching from afar. For most of the first part of the movie, Sonic is learning how to deal with his loneliness and following Longclaw's warning, and while he doesn't deal with it in the best way, he does it in the best way he knows and never means to be bad or do harm. And yes, Longclaw's advice wasn't the best, but that just shows she's more worried about Sonic being safe than being a hero, which is perfectly justified for someone who knows that people want the powers Sonic possess, even if this is not the right way to deal with these situations.
    Second, Tom is more of a hero than Sonic is, but he's not a hero like Game Sonic. He's a good guy who wants to do the right thing, but he doesn't put himself into harms way until he punches Robotnik in the face when he's threatened and when SONIC tries to help him out for that. That's why, even though he already crossed the line, he wanted to back off when he understood that Sonic was safe from Robotnik's hands and he saw the whole mess his life was going to be because of what he did. He ruined his life because he wanted to help, but that's obviously not something he wants because he has other plans and he doesn't want to waste them to be a fugitive for God knows how long. That's the thing about your critique, you guys are so bound up to your idea of how heroes should be that you forget that the writers had their own ideas, which are just as valid as yours. They clearly went to a different approach of the heroes, in this case Tom, not wanting to deal with such drastic consequences because that's what most people would do it they even cared enough to help someone like Sonic at all.
    Third, as I mentioned early, Game Sonic's lessons are good and are fit for a hero, sure, but they aren't good lessons for people of the real world. Take the Perfect Chaos example, the monster floaded the city and probably killed many people because he was angry, so what Sonic did was... beat the negativity out of him instead of punishing him for his crimes. That's a HORRIBLE lesson if you put it into practice on the real world. It's a nice lesson and it shows how Sonic is determined to stand for his ideals, but it just doesn't work for real people, because some people are just bad for being bad, and if they do something as cruel as killing someone, they can't just be forgiven, they need to be arrested and pay for their crimes first. The whole idealistic heroism of Sonic is a character flaw of his own, and it is shown just how bad it can be in the IDW Sonic series, mainly in the Metal Virus Saga, all because Sonic didn't destroy Eggman when he had a chance and believed he could actually be a good person, and while he had no way of knowing about Eggman's return, he still chose to give a second chance to someone who tried to wipe out every enemy of the Eggman Empire by throwing the sun on them. Movie Sonic has character flaws of his own, and he tries to improve and do the right thing in the end, like Game Sonic does, and that's what makes him inspiring, even if not as much as Game Sonic is.

    • @INLX7322
      @INLX7322 Рік тому +2

      A lot of text but I agree 👍

  • @LeviTheHyperLegendSpeed04
    @LeviTheHyperLegendSpeed04 Рік тому +11

    What is the problem with Movie Sonic. Geez nobody can’t at least understand…😓

  • @Vitallor
    @Vitallor Рік тому +19

    So does sasso just see new sonic content as trash and makes vids portraying them bad?

    • @aethermaster1153
      @aethermaster1153 Рік тому +18

      Bro fr. This channel is becoming less and less about making Sonic content and more about doing a stream trashing Sonic. Like I'm okay with people criticizing Sonic, at times it's necessary, but this is just literally every video at this point and it's getting kinda old

    • @LemonEditsAndReviews
      @LemonEditsAndReviews Рік тому +3

      I mean it seems like he changed alot of their personalities like Amy and he could do better in some areas but he's nostalgic for me

    • @Vitallor
      @Vitallor Рік тому +6

      @@LemonEditsAndReviews yeah his old vids were good

    • @sonichedgehog7120
      @sonichedgehog7120 Рік тому

      Why are you poartraing him as a bad person.

    • @Vitallor
      @Vitallor Рік тому

      @@sonichedgehog7120 I’m not portraying sasso as a bad person I’m just saying it’s kind of strange how often it happens nowadays

  • @LarvaRewind
    @LarvaRewind Рік тому +3

    Nice animation bro! Keep it up!

  • @shakeel3451
    @shakeel3451 Рік тому +1

    😔it's so sad movie sonic saga is over.

  • @szszabolcs9582
    @szszabolcs9582 3 місяці тому

    (SPOLERS FOR SONIC 2....NOT THAT IT MATTERS)
    Thankfully most of the negatives changed in the 2. Movie and Sonic starts with his character from the 1. Film but with a twist that Sonic wants to be a hero and after Talis nearly dies from Robotnik, Sonic starts to be like his game counterpart, still pretty unexperienced but he finally does the RIGHT THING after a movie of doing things wrong HE FINALLY LERNED FROM HIS MISTAKES

    • @szszabolcs9582
      @szszabolcs9582 3 місяці тому

      ...i think in Sonic 3 Sonic will be almost indentical to his game self
      Or at least close enough to his game self

  • @bryanuniverseoffical1523
    @bryanuniverseoffical1523 Рік тому +2

    Nice Video Keep Up The Good Work Sasso Studio

  • @UserAJO1
    @UserAJO1 Рік тому +2

    I'm curious what kind of hero would you call the "Richard Dean Anderson" version of "Jack O'Neill" from"Stargate SG-1" especially since he is a self admitted cynic, and on that note how would you compare him to the 2 versions of Sonic, and if I may ask what direction will you be taking "Sasso Sonic" in terms of how heroic or cynical he will be.

  • @brabbit330
    @brabbit330 Рік тому +6

    10:36 Who the hell says you can’t let your supporting characters go through arcs?
    Why can’t Tom go through an arc of accepting his role as Sonic’s new guardian with better lessons to teach than Longclaw?
    Sure, his arc could have been done better but you seem to be using tunnel vision in your analysis to say only Sonic is allowed to change or grow and that any time given to Tom is bad.

  • @reggielacey2235
    @reggielacey2235 9 місяців тому

    movie sonic isnt meant to be the same as game sonic

  • @eventurist
    @eventurist Рік тому +5

    Bring back Knuckles, Silver or Blaze for next animation! :D 🔥

  • @bowserbreaker2515
    @bowserbreaker2515 Рік тому +2

    Shadow and Scourge aren't anti-heroes. Shadow is a hero; they have just messed up his character. Scourge may have related himself to Sonic, but he is a straight-up villain. He conquered Mobius and beat his team and intimidated people.

  • @MJGaming57_REAL
    @MJGaming57_REAL Рік тому +6

    Sasso got all the nine year olds angry in these comments 💀

    • @Meeshilin_Man
      @Meeshilin_Man Рік тому +1

      LMAO FR

    • @EpicTheHedgehogOG
      @EpicTheHedgehogOG Рік тому

      FR

    • @fightingmedialounge519
      @fightingmedialounge519 Рік тому +1

      Honestly, most people have been pretty calm.

    • @EpicTheHedgehogOG
      @EpicTheHedgehogOG Рік тому +2

      @@fightingmedialounge519 True but you know how some sonic fans can be when sonic gets criticized or something

    • @fightingmedialounge519
      @fightingmedialounge519 Рік тому +1

      @@EpicTheHedgehogOG true, but some of those criticisms really aren't that well thought out. For this video most of the points boil down to sasso poting out a character flaw, and then acting like it was a mistake and not intentional.

  • @Ryncraft12344
    @Ryncraft12344 Рік тому +6

    Now too be fair. At least he's a better person in the movies

  • @TrueBlueMajikDewd
    @TrueBlueMajikDewd Рік тому +18

    So... he's game accurate then? Watch the video "You're kind of a jerk, Sonic". Sonic in the games really isn't a good hero either.

  • @fightingmedialounge519
    @fightingmedialounge519 Рік тому +8

    It's bizzare that your chastising long claw for her decisions concerning sonic, when the movie itself acknowledges her perspective was wrong. Likewise , it makes no sense to claim tom wasn't in character when he told sonic to find san Francisco by himself, when the situation Tom currently is in wasn't anything like what he's dealt with before, so we have no basis for how he should react.
    You do that throughout this video. You point out flawed perspectives, and act that like it was a mistake on the films part. When said perspective was delibrate choice by the filmmakers( such as complaining about Tom's motivation to move San Francisco as selfish, when it being selfish is what he comes to relaize) . You think stories have a certain responsibility, but you also have a responsibility to accurately depict what you're talking about instead of manipulating information to suit you're perspective. You can still dislike the film, but you need to do so in a way that still allows people who haven't seen it to form a separate outlook than yours.

  • @HeluvaWeirdo
    @HeluvaWeirdo Рік тому +1

    I thought I see a sonic animation of movie sonic being evil but I got into a lesson

  • @netherfreakultima4498
    @netherfreakultima4498 Рік тому +8

    Why would anyone think Movie Sonic isn't a good hero?

    • @Meeshilin_Man
      @Meeshilin_Man Рік тому +4

      He's literally telling us why

    • @netherfreakultima4498
      @netherfreakultima4498 Рік тому +4

      @@Meeshilin_Man is it wrong that I think otherwise...?

    • @Meeshilin_Man
      @Meeshilin_Man Рік тому

      @@netherfreakultima4498 I mean you can think otherwise against facts I guess
      "Sonic is blue"
      "Well I disagree! He's green. "
      Like you do you I guess

    • @bryandelacruzmedina8462
      @bryandelacruzmedina8462 Рік тому +5

      Movie sonic is just a kid only because he's afraid to lose everything else since he caused the lights off from the baseball field behind he trying to run away with his problems ended up being more selfish to be honest, he doesn't know what he's doing such he's still a kid.

  • @samuraix8418
    @samuraix8418 Рік тому +1

    What makes good hero to Movie sonic Is by having courage towards others like knuckles, tails, shadow, and Amy!

  • @cian.o
    @cian.o Рік тому +5

    They had this entire universe in the palm of their hand but they went with the generic "character goes to real world" for the first movie?

    • @sonomni
      @sonomni Рік тому +1

      To be honest that’s the only thing
      That’d would work for a Sonic live action movie, what did you expect?

    • @cian.o
      @cian.o Рік тому

      @@sonomni How about just not have it live action.

    • @sonomni
      @sonomni Рік тому

      @@cian.o Then just play the games..

  • @justinjackson9494
    @justinjackson9494 Рік тому +7

    movie sonic is a good hero.

  • @lit_feras2922
    @lit_feras2922 Рік тому +7

    Your just blaming paramount for not making the movie design look like modern sonics design. They just wanted the blue arms to come back

  • @KingHoDoKaN
    @KingHoDoKaN Рік тому +2

    to be fair.. hes the cause of all of this

  • @TheEarth210
    @TheEarth210 Рік тому +1

    Seems.like Sega added classic classic sonic

  • @EJMM209
    @EJMM209 Рік тому

    Can you male a video about the second movie.

  • @majolugo4674
    @majolugo4674 Рік тому

    Puedes subir el mismo video pero en español plis

  • @user-ks4yz8mu9e
    @user-ks4yz8mu9e Рік тому

    When is Sonic the Hedgehog 3?

    • @user-ks4yz8mu9e
      @user-ks4yz8mu9e Рік тому

      @@JessicaSmith-yj6fu Yes December 20th 2024. When is Knuckles Drama?

  • @modofire9597
    @modofire9597 Рік тому

    Post it now now now now now in Billy Sims

  • @Blue_Velocityy
    @Blue_Velocityy Рік тому

    Why yall waiting

  • @sarathewizard4405
    @sarathewizard4405 Рік тому

    No I'm sorry, but movie sonic is a little bit of a... Umm, no lets not say that. How do I say this? Inexperienced?

  • @sonichedgehog7120
    @sonichedgehog7120 Рік тому +1

    Game sonic and movie sonic aren't the same person just like peter parker s in no way home. But they have one thing common to have courage to fight against evil.

  • @redreploid1713
    @redreploid1713 Рік тому +3

    And he didn’t even cover the second movie…what?

  • @modofire9597
    @modofire9597 Рік тому

    Can I get a more roommate

  • @SonicMascote353
    @SonicMascote353 Рік тому

    Sonic vs Sonic do filme que legal

  • @goldenboybenny7511
    @goldenboybenny7511 Рік тому +1

    Game sonic isn’t exactly a perfect hero either he repeatedly lets eggman go when he has a chance to capture him witch is arguably worse the movie sonic at least movie sonic dumps him eggman on another planet to get him out of his hair.

    • @maryafantalia8614
      @maryafantalia8614 Рік тому

      Game Sonic doesn't hurt people even if it's bad persons. He's just a peaceful guy.

    • @goldenboybenny7511
      @goldenboybenny7511 Рік тому

      @@maryafantalia8614 I disagree he has hurt bad people quite purposefully in the past.

    • @maryafantalia8614
      @maryafantalia8614 Рік тому +2

      @@goldenboybenny7511 Totally false. Quote one example, and I'm going to laugh. In Adventure, he doesn't kill Chaos because he knows the Chaos wasn't bad, in Adventure 2... he hurt nobody, Heroes no, Shadiw the Hedgehog no... He hurt nobody what bullshit are you talking about !

  • @darthvader473
    @darthvader473 Рік тому

    Get ready for a brawl. Lol

  • @Miis_Matter385
    @Miis_Matter385 Рік тому

    Uhh…

  • @YtshortsIsMidAf
    @YtshortsIsMidAf Рік тому

    Waiting😅😅

  • @noraaich
    @noraaich Рік тому

    what

  • @dineoodettayende5460
    @dineoodettayende5460 Рік тому

    Do a live stream on sonic 3 air mod sonic movie 2 mod movie sonic is a great hero

  • @crosstrigger1
    @crosstrigger1 Рік тому +3

    Sasso prepping himself for an L

  • @modofire9597
    @modofire9597 Рік тому

    I’m not explaining it to you if I like it cause I don’t like

  • @modofire9597
    @modofire9597 Рік тому

    002 lamps like

  • @flowerpower7328
    @flowerpower7328 Рік тому +2

    Do not agree.

  • @FuntimeFreddyFan13
    @FuntimeFreddyFan13 Рік тому

    I personally don’t like the movie I like regular sonic cause he has a way better storyline but movie sonic it’s fine

  • @sirinese5209
    @sirinese5209 Рік тому

    Movie Sonic is Good but movie game sonic is bad person

  • @tomboy-kitty4616
    @tomboy-kitty4616 Рік тому

    All I see is a 9-year old complaining about his option but doesn't really pay attention to whether it's a good movie or not, a good game or not, a good show or not. Sometimes, I get so confused about Sonic's background, like how Sega keeps changing his personality, which makes no sense. Man, I miss the old Sonic. It used to be all hype and fun, but now it just flops for me.

  • @Yeeyee8009
    @Yeeyee8009 Рік тому +2

    This channel has been trashing movie sonic since 2020

  • @TheBeatlesShow
    @TheBeatlesShow Рік тому +1

    Movie Sonic was a PERFECT hero. It's movie Knuckles who we should be criticizing!

    • @Meeshilin_Man
      @Meeshilin_Man Рік тому +2

      Movie Knuckles wasn't even a hero until the end and we're talking abt Sonic 1.Quit lying through your teeth. 💀

    • @MrApex-xz2ge
      @MrApex-xz2ge Рік тому +3

      No...Sonic wasn't, but the point of the movies is to follow his growth into a good one.

    • @TheBeatlesShow
      @TheBeatlesShow Рік тому

      @@Meeshilin_Man Knuckles was evil, that's the whole point

  • @SNESJerry
    @SNESJerry Рік тому +1

    thanks for wasting 34 minutes of my time :)