Evolution of Ski-Doo Snowmobile Generations through the REV Years | Buyers Guide
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- Опубліковано 1 тра 2020
- Ski-Doo Revolutionized The Modern Snowmobile. I am very active in many Snowmobile / Snowmobiling groups and sites online and social media. I find there is a lot of confusion by potential buyers and even owners of ski-doo products. If you are confused on what the heck the difference is from a ski-doo Rev vs. Skidoo Rev XP vs. Ski-Doo Rev XS vs SkiDoo Rev Gen4 then this video hopes to clarify it all for you and show you How to tell see the difference.
In this Video we have a:
2006 Ski-Doo Rev GSX 550F
2009 Ski-Doo Rev XP 50 Edition 600 e-tec
2018 SkiDoo Rev XS 900 ACE
2019 Ski-Doo Rev Gen4 XRS 600R
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Great overview! I went on my first backpacking sled trip this last winter up in the UP and then bought two sleds and a trailer this spring. The first is a 2017 Enduro 800R in the Rev XS and the second is a 2018.5 MXZ 600R in the Gen 4. I have been dismantling the hoods to compare the sleds and there are so many differences between the two as you showed with your hand motions. This video was really great for this newbie!
thank-you!
Good good overview, just bought a 09 Rev xp 600 and I wish I new much more about them and I would love to see many more videos about this type of stuff!
keep watching! the 09 is a great year
That was a cool video about the progression of ski doo. We have two revs and a 2020 rev xp. Love them all.
Thank you so much! It’s cool to have them all in the same place
Thanks for the description! I just recently purchased a 2016 Revolution X e tech 600, my 1st Ski Doo, and I wasn't sure what Gen mine was for accessories and parts. Good video!
thanks for letting me know! thats the exact reason i made the video. You are going to love the renegade 600etec - great machine!!!
I am 51 ski-doo my whole life just picked up a 2015 iron dog in mint shape can’t wait for the snow
thats a beautiful snowmobile! you will love the ride on that one - send in some photos for the live fanphoto@mudbrats.com
I realize I am kinda off topic but do anyone know of a good website to watch newly released movies online?
It's nice to see all the gens together, thanks!
Thanks! Yeah thats a rarity!
Dang man you got some CLEAN sleds! Crazy how you took care of them all these years. Nice sleds 🤟
thanks man!
Thank you so much for this video! Rode as a kid and am now getting back into it with the husband. (Let's just say things have changed a bit from my Enticer 340 days!)
He's a Ski-Doo guy so I've been trying to wrap my head around their alphabet soup and this puts the differences between the platform/chassis vs. model vs. package into better perspective.
welcome back! Thanks for the compliment - exactly why i made the video - if u have questions let me know
Yesss, still have a Yamaha enticer 340 to get fire wood and ice fish. Those old Yamahas are bulletproof, also have 2 1989 yamaha bravo 250, my parents brought brand new and can't bring myself to get rid of them. For weekends though -
2003 ski doo REV MXZ-X 600H.O. and
2008 ski doo XP MXZ-X 800. Both have about 4000 miles. The 600 was more then enough sled for me and I been riding for over 20 years, was looking for a sled for my wife and couldn't find anything in really good shape 600 and smaller so finally I came across the 800xp and was like brand new and seller didn't know it was a Xpackage so it kind of fell in my lap and the wife got the 600ho. Both great sleds. Snowmobiles have come further in the last 20 years then it did in the previous 75 years plus. Couple people we ride with have 2018, 2021 and they are incredible don't get me wrong but just like vehicles more and more gadgets and extras which is more and more to break. I rember when plastic skis started coming out and it was the best thing in snowmobiling, that was like less then 10 years before the first gen REV. Leaps and bounds esp 2000-2010.
I had the 4 REV model, went from a 1997 mxz 670 to my 2004 800 Renegade X and that was a huge difference, later got a 2009 mxz 600 ETC for my daughter it was an other improvement but it was the Adrenaline and it has cheap shocks. Next I got a 2015 800 etec Renedage XRS and man the shocks make a huge difference in riding fatigue and speed you can carry in rough condition and corners. This summer I gave my 2015 XRS to the wife and got a new 2020 850 Backcountry XRS 146. Can't wait to try it, better engine, P drive clutch.
If there is one thing that I have learned over the years, suspension tuning make a huge difference, even if you buy a base model and then improve the shocks/springs.
awesome addition and review!
Great Information. Thank You! Subscribed
thank you so much!!! ❤️
Great video! Have a 2022 Gen 4 but the new Gen 5s are calling my name! The Gen 5 renegade xrs is my next sled!
thats what i am dreaming about right now!
Great video about the models of Rev chassis , I just bought a 2014 MXZx 800 ,waiting for winter ........patiently !!!!!
nice!
Very helpful..thanks for the big efforts.
i appreciate that! thanks!!
My current sled is a 2006 GSX. Love it. I could ride all day. It let me get back into the sport with my fragile back (had a Polaris before that). Getting a gen 4 in the fall. Looking forward to trying that out.
congrats! you will love the Gen4 and rmotion is unmatched and good for old backs like ours. I put it in my 09 and night and day difference
I have the exact same sled mines a 500ss
@@mattkrahn9307 🤘
My dad uses an 05 mach z 1000 rt, and an 07 blizzard 600. We had an 03 rev 800, just a year ago bought a 15 renegade 600 x etec. I'll say, the comfort level on the rev-xs is awesome. Unfortunate our sled season was cut short last year, def looking forward to hitting the trails and ditches in the next few months
yeah the rev XS is a great chassis!
I bought brand new a 2006 SDI 600. Great engine and fuel economy! Have 11500 miles on it.
yes that was and is a good engine
Channel / video surfing & seen you're video. I've just recently (2wks ago ) aquired an 08 XP MXZ TNT 500SS , 2900mi . Yes a bit of an older sled by today standards , but a supreme upgrade for myself . Banging around in the conventional platforms of previous years is absolutely NO comparison . Wished I would have switched years ago ! To me ...this XP is a Cadillac !
The 2000 S-chassis Formula DLX 500 will stay stabiled until my 9yr old is able to pilot it . Machine is showroom condition w only 1,200mi. Impressive power for a 500 !
XP is a game changer compared to the previous REV and the S models - the 597cc in the 500SS is a bulletproof engine - good find! ❤️
i just picked up a 06 rev 600 mxz love it so far good mix of speed and handling and comfort
great engine in those 600
I have a Gen 4 and I sure wish my sled had yellow rails .Love the sled . Great video.
I like black rails, but kinda wish yours had Yellow rails as well, so I would stop hearing about it 🤑😭👍
@@mudbrats LOL !
@@MBTUE I feel your pain....lol I have white rails. Look great in the garage but make no sense in the snow. My buddy threatened me this year to powder coat them while I had the skid apart replacing my slides and bearings. He's sick of me wining too lol🤣
I have a 2019 blizzard 600r love it it's a blast to ride was riding a 96 xlt special before then
Yes a beautiful Machine - Check out Mark Bow Youtibe Channel - He has that exact Blizzard 600R as well!
I just picked up a backcountry 600efi awesome sled very impressed with the new engine.
watch the live stream with Straightline Performance - im impressed with what Jason Houle says
I had a 2009 Renegade X 800R and now a 2009 MXZ 800R Big fan of Ski Doo
Angry duck face...lol.😂Love it. They make me think of bumblebees.
thanks for watching and commenting
I've got a 2018 Rev XS (Renegade 1200 4-tec). Love it. Tried a 2020 Renegade XRS 900 Turbo and liked it, but not enough to trade in my 1200 4-tec.......yet.
paul went from the 1200 to a 900 ACE non turbo and he loves it. Do some clutching on a NA 900 and he loves the lighter flickier sled compared to the 1200
Tom -I'd love to get your feedback comparing the 2018 -1200 vs the 900 turbo. I'm looking to upgrade from my 2012 renegade 1200. (I love the sled ) but am undecided between the 900 turbo n the 2018(last year) of the 1200
Great video! Am a hardcore rev fan, I have a 2006 440 myself and A friend of mine has the 4th rev ever made (it’s technically a 2002 model) and wasn’t supposed to be owned by the public. It was Featured in a few magazines and has a branding on the chassis that says “prototype”.
yes a buddy has a 2002 rev as well - i like the colours of it
@@mudbrats any info on who owns that? Would like to get in touch and get some pics!
The cockpit on the rev xp is perfect.
I currently have a XS & the Gen4 chassis. ‘18 Renegade X 600 etec & ‘20 Renegade XRS 900 turbo. I’ve owned each version of skidoo dating back to the F chassis with a ‘97 Mach Z, then a 2000 MXZ 700 twin. Once Skidoo introduced the ‘03 Rev beaver tail chassis that was a major game changer in ride quality and handling. That chassis literally made good riders, “great riders”.. What’s funny, once I started riding the XP, XS or Gen4 chassis then jump back on my buddies original Rev. I was like HTH did I ever ride this sled because of how restricted your leg position is.. don’t get me wrong, it’s still a good sled. It just limits your seating position and makes it hard to stretch out a little when your legs feel cramped up.
i felt the same way! the rev compared to F and S was so awesome... now when i sit on a rev i am like, oh man! this doesnt feel right haha! thanks for watching and sharing your experience! cheers!
I have a 2018 freeride 850 137 just added a xrs trail seat and own a 07 xrs 600 Sid with lots of upgrades that I've done also owned a 2010 800x love my g4
greg vankoughnett 👍
I have a 2003 600mxz Rev still going strong!
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The level of memeing in this is amazing
🤣 thank you
Thank You Great video
glad it helped - thankyou!
I have a rev 2004 Adrenaline 800 that I brought back to life.I I’m not sure what it can do yet but I’m looking forward to it…get it?…looking FORWARD! HA!
awesome
My first Skidoo I owned was a 2005 Rev 500ss Adrenalyn and we used to ride 2-up on that thing and clear driveways, that thing could take a pounding!
Send it! Haha
It should be noted the original 2003 Rev had a beaver tail and no room for the jerry can that the 2004 could use. It's design had the riders feet/legs behind the hips like a crotch rocket bike and took some time to get used to. The 2008 XP moved the driven clutch 8" up allowing more room forward for the feet and was much more comfortable. Also in 2009 the XR chassis came out with a much better and stronger bulkhead, wider and much different body panels. I have one for my 2012 1200 and it's still going strong with 25KM on it. They had 2 different gauges from 2008 to 2020, only the high end models got the digital (nicer) gauge. The XP & XS still had a brittle bulkhead and the G4 was slightly better with a cast design.
👍 great points, thankyou!!!!... the beaver tail has been shown and mentioned in quite a few of my snowmovlogs. Your input is appreciated!
I just bought the very first 2003 rev ever off the production line. Serial #00001
it's up for sale for the right price but I will enjoy it this winter
likely not the first as there are a pile of not serialized prototypes out there. The rev actually was in production the end of 2002 - i know a guy that has one
my self iv always been a yamaha triple guy .with few polaris pro x ..when i bought my xm freeride 800 .it was a game changer !!! .had to learn to ride a sled all over again . but best thing i did was buy a brp
yeah i agree it changed the game!
Good info bro. I'm looking at some newer sleds and I was wondering what the differences were between the 4 generation's.
Thanks man! Get at least a rev XP if you can afford it... and e-tec. The fuel and oil savings over what you are driving now, will honestly pay for itself. We had a 550 fan cooled and an 800 etec. One day we filled up Both sleds for a weekend and a couple jerry cans and it was about $130 in fuel. About $40 went into the 800 etec, the rest went through the 550! Not exaggerating here, huge difference.
I still have my Ski-Doo Blizzard 5500mx. Their first sled with long travel suspension and independant front suspension.
the blizzard kinda went down hill from there - but the 2023 is back to the Blizzard roots, Bad ass and shocks to match!
@@mudbrats right on.
I have a REV XP 2019 600 carb sport (mxz) that I picked up in December, and I just picked up a 2005 600HO SDI REV
congrats!
i have a rev xp but i’m upgrading to a new one in the spring i’m springordering
i have 2 revs and a rev xp love these sleds!! i had older ski doos then i got 2 2009 polaris's but the revs are wayyy better
i agree! the XP and XS are great platforms!
I also have a 16 Paisteboy special 800 etech. Ride is much better than my 06 but definitely not as nibble in the corners as my 06 Rev. Adjustable carbides lasted 2 years. Not enough bite in the twisties. 6800 miles on it. Great sled with a new wrap on it. Kept the Blizzard seat yet.
thats odd it isnt better than the 06... wonder if it needs the rear suspension set for better weight transfer. The XS is miles ahead of the Original Rev. I have a video on suspension settings, it may be worth a look
@@mudbrats The difference is the track length being longer at 129. You just notice it a touch more in the tight turns verses the 06 Rev.(120" XP chassis is better than the Rev) Believe me the 16 is just fine. In northern wisconsin the trails in some areas are very twisted and technical. We spend a lot of time setting our sleds up for this. Now in the UP I wish I would have a 136" track. Lots of straights!
I've had two G4s with the 600R, I now have a G5 Blizzard with an 850!
that gen5 blizz is sexy!
I have 2020 ski doo expedition extreme, it’s the wide gen 4, 20 wide track,never going back to a 15 wide track! Love it!!
skidoo man they are workhorses! Nice sled!
You could actually say the rev was introduced in 02 as a open mod snocross sled. Blair Morgan's first year with SkiDoo. The racers would race the trailing arm stock 440 then jump on the 800 mods.
yes i am referring to full production.... a local has a 2002 Rev trail sled - but mid season 2002 - very rare
I have a 06 gsx600. Oil injector line dry cracked & started leaking. Been parked for 3 or so years because of it. Maybe this year I'll evict the mice & wake it up!!💯🔥
keep giving it love, the gsx 600 is a great sled!
i doo prefer the formula era (90's), a lot more areodynamic and low to the ground and the triples sounded amazing.
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Beuty! Thanks!
Have a 98 Formula Z 670, had a 03 Rev 800! I want the Rev back! 🤣
I am sorry but I have a 90’s sled and a rev XP and it’s not even comparable, the Rev’s are so far ahead of the old trailing arm chassis it’s not even comparable
Now for the other brands version of the rev when they come out and compare the differences to understand what each snow machine really is made for and witch one is best over all
hard to get them all. This was more for new or nearly new buyers not knowing the differences.... i had a lot of people order LED for a gen4 and ended up they owned an XP
Would you recommend an 04 skidoo summit rev 600 as a starter sled? Thinking of buying one for trails and a bit of backcountry.
I think thats a great starter sled - Make sure its been well cared for and nothing looks bent on the front end...
Have all 4 versions myself.
Awesome! That’s a great stable. Growing up the president on the Drumbo snowmobile club was a kesteloot, are u related?
@@mudbrats I don't think so. Lol.
Have a 2019 600r, excellent sled
They are amazing!
Ya missed one thing about the 2003 rev they have a beaver tail where the snow flap connects to the rear of the skid 2003 was the only year with the beaver tail
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Some rev Xps also had R motion also I think its important to mention that Etec engines were also a huge upgrade in terms of reliability
Very good points to add - thank-you! 👍
The Rmotion was introduced in 2012 on the last year of the XP's with 600 etec or 800 etec. They changed for XS the year after in 2013. Love your snowmobile sessions on monday nights. From a Quebec french canadian fan ;) We have awesome trails here but would love to ride some trails in Ontario one day! Congrats and continu the great content!
@@wildman2545 Thanks Wildman! Rmotion wasn't full line in 2012 thats why I didn't mention it. Same thing was the Rev actually came out in 2002 - limited production. My 2012 Renegade Xpkg was SC5. The 2012 XRS 120" was the only RMotion.
@@mudbrats The X and Xrs Both had it but only when snow checked! I just got a smoking deal on a 2012 X package because a lot of people have this misconception. Ive also seen a few people buy/go look at 2012 Xrs sleds that weren't snowchecked only to be disappointed by not having rmotion
Also love the videos! you're doing a great job and convinced me to buy a camera!
Has a 2017 1200 then a 2018 850 renegade X and in 2019 i bought a 900 turbo XRS and went with a 2021 Backcountry this year
nice!
My buddy has a 2017 Freeride 800 that he says is a Gen 4 but it shows up as an Rev XM which I didn't hear you talking about. I know 2017 - 2018 was the year, depending on model that the Gen 4's came out but I am pretty sure his Freeride is based off an XS platform. My wife has a 2017 MXZ X 850 Gen4 and I have a 2018 MXZ X 850 Gen4, although hers has the upgraded suspension. I just never hear anyone talk about the Rev XM's?
The XM is the mountain series. 2017 is the same as the XS in this video, just a narrower ski stance, better shock package, different skid and sometimes longer skid. The only big bore they put in the gen4 is an 850 so that tells you right there that his being an 800 is the gen3 (XS/XM)
Im 12 years old and my first sled was a Yamaha bravo and then I got a polaris Indy 500 now I just got a 2009 summit 600
nice evolution of your riding! youll love the 600xp summit
No mention of the REV-XR chassis? My 2013 GSX SE has the XR.
This was done for the visual purpose only, purely for visual differences. There are a lot of things I could have dove deeper into. Maybe a future video
Can't beat the comfort of the original rev seat, so much cushion.
I love the rev XP and XS - X package seat as well
I recently had to go through the trouble of changing out the nun on my 05 Ski-doo MXZ. That is how I learned some people call it "nun". It seems like everyone knew it was call that except for me. LOL! Just wondering where the name "nun" comes from? Ski-doo doesn't even list it as a nun in the parts manuals.
its a nickname that just took off like wildfire. If you turn the module upside down it looks like a Nuns hat. there was a show on TV starring Sally Field called the Flying Nun and it looks like her hat so it started out being nicknamed the Flying Nun and has since dropped to just Nun. Pretty funny origins, i actually heard that years ago but just now looked it up to be sure
What ya fav rev and motor and do ya like carb or e.f.i and do ya prefer electric start or pull start or both and what would ya recommend for a new comer to snowmobileing
the etec direct injection is miles ahead of any other mfg. Electric start all the way and if you can have a backup pull start thats nice on the super cold days when the sled wont turn over. My favourite Rev is Gen4 - its damn near perfect. XRS and smart shox is the way to go
My friend is 5,1 95 pounds what would ya suggest for him
My dads got a 2007 rev mxz and it will be my sled next year cuase he ordered a new gen 4, what sled is yours?
Thats awesome! you will love the 2007 Rev. Mine is the 2009 anniversary “50 edition” yellow XP shown here
@@mudbrats yours is awesome
I have an 04 rev. It's my first sled, I have to no idea if it rides good as I have nothing to compare it to. All I know is it rips
yes they doo!
I have 2 skidoo, 2009 skidoo grand touring se 1200 and 2010 skidoo grand touring 600 ace
Very nice collection!
I ride a 2010 Rev XR. Where does this fit into the lineup?
its the larger platform most similar to the XP but purpose built for the 1200 4tec and touring/expedition sleds
@@mudbrats cool, good to know. I know it is not the same as the XP because the hood and side covers are different.
@@jeffsmith2070 wider to accomodate the 4 stroke tripple
Could I put a rev gen 4 suspension on a 2009 summit 800r?
Anything is possible with the right tools - the only thing you would have to check is tunnel width - if Gen4 is narrower it would be a little trickier. I put a 129 rmotion in a 2009 600etec 120” mxzx - so anything is possible
Few years ago I took my 2008 summit and added everything that basically made it a 2015. Flex edge track, t-motion suspension, 36 inch front end with new spindles, etc etc. Huge difference! When I did it ski-doo sold everything to do the conversion. Last year I bought a new summit with expert package and yes, I agree with Mud Brats ADV, the Gen4 chassis is another level again. Especially with the expert package.
Yup have an 800 rev 2003 with the beaver tail
nice! a lot have been deleted so the original beaver tails are becoming more sought after!
2013 MXZ TNT 800 REV XS here.
nice!
Doh!! Click baited....got me!
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I have the Rev XP and my dad has the gen 4
awesome!
I have a 2004 rev 500ss that I modified to fit a linQ gas tank
thats cool!
@@mudbrats love the gen 1’s
I also like to point out didnt artic cat get sued for copying this style of sled
no they didnt but this video is more than a year old so they were being sued at the time. They just settled (likely over Lynx branding) early 2021
06 ski-doo rev summit 144 ima try convert it to a 50 on trail 50 off trail
Nice!
if i could have any sled on the market it would be a OG rev they came out when i was in high school and love the look but my ass poor so a polaris indy it is for me lol
I have owned an original rev 2004 MXZ 800HO (some videos on this channel) and the XP... Rode the XS and Gen4 and every model change is a step above the last. Gen4 is amazing - but the Polaris Wedges are dear to my heart as well!
@@mudbrats my old 1990 polaris runs great but it sat most of its life 2000 somthing km on it all i had to get it going was a carb kit chek out the sled vids i have its not a bad little sled
right on! 400 or 650?
@@mudbrats it's a little 340 it's an Indy sport but can't beat the 0$ I got it for
So far I'm not impressed with the new G4 chassis. I have some seat time on a 18 XRS 850 and as long as you don't turn it's fine.lol The 18's are the tallest XRS models to date. They have dropped them down a bit but the sled is so tippy. My 16 XS chassis drives flat and predictable. Hoping the 21's and up are better. Due for an upgrade for 22 or 23 or put a rebuild motor in my 16.
the nice thing about a 2018 XRS is its so adjustable - you can make it “less tippy” more confidence inspiring if you spend some time adjusting the suspension for your weight, riding style and riding conditions. Thanks for watching and the comment - keep me posted on what you decide
@@mudbrats Yes my buddy has since stiffened up everything in the front end. The thing is All the new sleds are so tall. As my riding group are all upgrading these past 5 years it's the first thing we notice. Our driving styles had to change a bit. Sure the overall ride is better, economy and more but we did loose a bit of confidence in the turns. Depends how you ride.... Small sacrifice in the end!
I have a 2006,2015 and 2022
nice!
Rev Xr platform model is a gsx se 1200
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I have a 2012 mxz tnt 600h.o etec revxp
Great Machine!
Thanks
I have a 04 mxz e rev 600
nice 🤟
What about the xr thanks
yeah yeah i know haha
When XM? When Summit 1999-2000?)
XM is 2008 and later. 1999-2000 would be ZX
For some reason, my rev xs handles far better than my rev xp. The suspension looks identical to the naked eye, but the handling is night and day.
No idea why though.
A lot of changes up front - and if you XP has SC-5 and the XS has R-motion - thats a huge leap in suspension!
@@mudbrats yes the xs is rmotion and the xp is not. But just looking at them side by side they don’t appear to be radically different. Which is why I find it surprising
@@fahrvergnuugen oh for sure - and the front end with the RAS 3 suspension is a huge plus as well - a lot of hidden gems
I have 2 ski doo rev’s
excellent sleds - i love seeing them on the trails. true testimony to the quality
@@mudbrats yes for sure
i have a 2020 rev xp 600 carb it is very powerful than my arctic cat
nice
@@mudbrats but the arctic cat is more scary and unpredictible
I have ski Doo 377
I had the motoski version and a fun 60mph sled
the xp has that gundam look to them................................
haha I like it!
If your shock is closer to front or back of control arm DOESNT mean the nun is bent
The shock should be the same spot on both sides of the A-Arms... If its forward or back (I have seen the shock touching the A-Arm) she's FUBAR
Mud Brats ADV I guess you’ve never heard of twisting a control arm have you. ? Doo made it so control arms will bend , fold or twist before the nun will be effected. Mite wanna do your homework before saying stuff like that.
Good point, but I do know from experience on several REVs, the pop-can aluminum Nun will bend before an anodized aluminum control arm will twist. Yes I have seen bent A-Arms so you ar ecorrect, but its only around 10%. The other 90% or more are Trashed Nuns. The F and S chassis were actually a better design as the trailing arms on that design was actually meant to crush before anything else. And it worked.
Not to be a sick, but if you need to watch this video to know if you have a Rev or not you're going to be really screwed when you encounter a real issue snowmobiling
Bill Peter you would be surprised
People NEW to SKI doo don't know all the history on Ski doo so this is very helpful.
Didn’t you leave out the XR chassis?
Time for a gen 5 for 2022, the gen4 is getting old
I think its coming soon!
Xp 08
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you forgot the rev XR
I am well aware of the XR. Not really the point of the vid
I own ser. # 000049 mxz rev 800 sport
one of the early ones produced - nice!
The only thing that has evolved is the motors and body. What about the drive system? Why are the manufactures still using a clutch and belt in order to get power to the track? I think this system is outdated and unreliable. Who hasn't blown a belt miles from home and needed a tow? You think the designers would come up with a transmission that doesn't use a belt, which by the way costs up to $200 and usually only lasts a season. With all the CVT technology out there you think they would come up with something better.
Even CVT uses a belt on the canam ATVs... Its a weight savings issue likely that they dont use a gearbox. Major improvements in clutching from the 2016 TRA clutch to the 2017-current P-Drive Clutch.
Never liked the look of the XS
we all have our favourites and our not so favourites
Click bait
😵what were you hoping to see?