Max boost clock overrride absolutely works -- on a 3600, and on that only -- because the boost algorithm is artificially capped there at 4200. Giving it +200 effectively makes it into a 3600X, and you see 4400 in single core boost.
depends on the cpu, tried out this setting already months ago, yes, ryzen master shows 4.4 ghz "possible clockspeed but in reality the cpu never boosts to it. allcore boost didnt increase as well
Yeah. My R5 3600 with PBO and auto oc +200 gives me 4,400GHz single core boost. Asus C6H mobo. And allcore boost depends on the load, on cine r20 it gives 4,100-4,050GHz
Then be sure to use PBO with ASUS Level 3 setting which will boost single core perf and givela good multi with little or no core volt boost also (-50mv offset) regardless of his statements either he damaged his CPU or got a bad one Every other review (ASUS) gets good results
Brennahan I’m in the same boat too. Just built my first gaming pc in like a decade a couple weeks ago. R5 3600 / ASUS x570-e mobo / sapphire nitro 5700 xt I was literally on the brink of returning my gpu because of the black screen driver issue, even requested a return, and then AMD dropped a driver update Saturday (needed to send card in Sunday at the latest) and so far it seems fixed but I really hope it 100% is cause I can’t return it now and warranty’s don’t typically cover driver issues.
@@radicalxedward8047 Good choices overall. In my build I'm using a red dragon 5700 and flashing bios to xt. The sapphire is even better tho because of the dual bios and comparable thermos
Asus Crosshair VI owner here. I've used the +200 offset for the past couple of weeks along with power limit increases on my 3600. It shows boost to 4.35ghz, which it goes to quite often even on fairly heavy cinema4d rendering workloads. Performance is quite a bit better gaming, but i'm pretty unsure of the results since there was the clockspeed bug not too long ago. Will have to do more testing at stock.
BehindEnemyFences do you mean the clock speed +200mhz or vcore offset +200mV. The additional 200mhz does work for me on c7h but on only singlecore stuffs.
@@nhozdien5058 A +200mV offset from stock would absolutely decimate a poor 7nm cpu lol. Just the +200mhz in the pbo/ power limit section. I'm also water cooled so it's running under 50c at all times, thermals are a game changer for staying on boost with Ryzen.
Great stuff, as always, Buildzoid! I had already translated this over from your video with the 3950X and Gigabyte X570 Aorus Extreme. I have a 3700X and Asus X570 Crosshair VIII Hero and it did squeeze a little bit more out of it. For memory I have a 16 Gb 4000MHz Teamgroup kit that I've clocked down to 3600MHz as well. Thaiphoon Burner says that it's Samsung B-die, so I went ahead and tightened up the timings using the Ryzen D-RAM calculator "fast" settings. It's been running this way since whenever the other video was published without any hiccups whatsoever. I'll have to run the benchmarks again to see what my scrores are again. The one score I kind of remember is CB R20 being just over 5,000. It's probably worth mentioning that my CPU is liquid cooled by a custom loop.
Thanks for this! I have this exact mother board and am trying to learn about overclocking, so this video really helps by simplify things for me! Super cool!!👍👍
With 3700X with PBO, Noctua NH-D15 and a little overclocked 3200/CL16 memory to 3733/CL16 + better subtimings + FCLK 1866, I'm at 4990 best score in R20. Can't break the magical 5k though.
Max CPU Boost Clock Override did work for me on my Asus Prime B350-Plus with 2600X, I found 125MHz to be the sweet spot. Pretty minor change as you might expect. I guess I'll try the Scalar now, I had heard that's the one that does nothing. I'm not touching those power limits with this board's VRM though. UPDATE: After 30 runs I found the Scaler more beneficial than the Boost Clock Override, and the benefits don't stack (no benefit from changing both for me). Best performance I got was Boost Clock on Auto and Scaler on 8x. Only tests I ran were a CS:GO benchmark and Cinebench R20, the only time I ever got CS:GO to score above 250fps was with the scaler on 7x and 8x.
If you want to try out the numbers for PPT/TDC/EDC on a Gigabyte motherboard, make sure you tweak 'Package Power Limit Control' on [Peripherals]-[AMD CBS]. Set it [AUTO] to [Manual] and put the number (300) as BZ suggests.
Been testing my 3950X on X570 master, i get about the same performance with undervolting as this but it runs ~15-20c cooler. My system now max out at 68c and fans dont spin up ( prime 95 small FFT) my settings is mem 3800 IF=1900 PBO = OFF ( in both menus ) Undervolt -0.10000V ( higher UV needs LLC high/turbo) LLC = auto CB20 ~9550 Cpu-Z SC 550 MC ~11200
Hi Dennis, can you share what settings need to be done in the bios for the undervolting ? I am new to this. I did the precision boost and tried running cinebench and my system shutdown cause processor reached 107 degrees. And that is with a corsair 280 mm AIO push pull. Not sure what is wrong either the cooler or the thermal paste.
I was waiting for this but I tinkered on my own .. Now I realise I did the exact same things, thanks Buildzoid, all those hours of OC tutorial totally paid !
Almost all PBO settings are present 3 times in the Asus BIOS. In Ai Tweaker, CBS and AMD OC. Has anyone found out what menu works best or are they all the same? They do not overwrite each other which is super wierd.
Two weeks ago I spent a few hours messing with PBO and found that PPT 300, TCD 250, EDC 0 and Custom Scalar 4X works best for a Prime X370-PRO with 3700X and 5406 beta BIOS, I get around 5030cb in multicore and 513cb in single in Cinebench R20.
Where did you find the 5604 BIOS? Latest on the website is 5220, been checking it now and again waiting for an agesa 1.0.0.4 but been no updates since sept 19'.
Sorry, it's 5406, not 5604, just fixed the post. Search for "PRIME X370-PRO ComboPI_1004PatchB" and you'll probably land in Hardwareluxx forums or leddit page with the link. Note that spread spectrum is broken for Zen 1 and Zen+ in this beta if you plan to BIOS mod it.
Thanks for the easy guide. Worked ok for me on a x570 tuf gaming WiFi and a 3800x, 16 gigs trident z neo @ 3600mhz and a Rtx 2070 super. Went from 4790 to 4910 on cinebench. Not huge, but better than nothing.
I have the ASUS B450 ITX mother board with a 3700x and 3600 ram, and this did actually work, i had DOCP and PBO enabled and set to auto before. IT gave me a boost of almost 400 score better in 3dmark.
@@Money_bagz I have a 3900x on a asux x570 prime pro and it works. But it works even better with a - 0.125volt offset on the core voltage too (at least on my cpu) 😁 on a custom loop as well.
Another tip is to change the spin up tume on the fans because when the core suddenly hits full clock the fans will spin up instantly for 15 seconds then spin down
@Buildzoid and @everyone ASUS doesn't use XMP for AMD mobos ram because is an Intel copyrighted term and could sue them that is why they use the generic term for the same thing
@@paulhenricksen5728 Hi, maybe i do not understand if this setting on bios need to have the core ratio in "auto", anyway always since i have this setup i put core ratio in 42.0 and i have better performance (on cinebench) than if i put core ratio in "auto" whith these buildzoid setting, mi idle temps are 35-40ªC (Vcore manual 1.22), and i haver air cooler (Deepcool Gammaxx 400 push/pull 120 mm fans) however I will continue testing and I comment
On my MSI X570 Tomahawk I found these settings under "Overclocking/Advanced CPU Configuration". After I changed Precision Boost Overdrive to "Advanced", they appeared underneath it.
17:01 the 65w TDP comes from the CPU core power limit being 65w. When you add the SoC wattage on top of that it'll bring it up to 80ish. My 3700x pegs exactly at 65w on the core power consumption at stock PBO settings. Still doesn't make sense to call it a 65w TDP CPU though.
Would like to see similar content with a 2700X / ASUS X570 board. I cant be the only one running this combo considering Microcenter was practically giving away 2700X's not long ago.
Same here, I drove 2hrs each way to get that deal. I could have order the parts and spent about the if you count the gas but it was bouncing around in the back of my car rather than a ups/FedEx truck and I got it that day. I got the Asus tuf wifi x570 and 2700x. Memory and a few other things I was was up to 400ish. Not bad for the cpu I ended up with. How about you?
Okay, so... I've seen a lot of people talking about running PBO and shaving .100mV off the vcore and making pretty decent gains off the 3950X while getting rid of the voltage seesaw and better temps. Curious to know what your thoughts on this are?
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Yep, I figured stress testing would be necessary. I was just curious about the claim that lowering the voltage is getting people more performance. I get the logic with Zen's boosting behavior, it's just still counter intuitive. I'm going to try a negative .05v and see what happens. Going to be doing what you showed in the video as well.
Hey BZ! Got any tips on RAM Stability. I'm using an Aorus Z390 Master using 2x8 4133mhz patriot viper but I've got another 2x8 kit coming. I was thinking of trying to tighten my timings to 3200mhz CL11 or something
LOVE YOUR VIDEOS CHAMP, I ONLY LISTEN TO YOUR ADVICE AND GN. I GOT A X570 TUF AND 3700X DDR4 3600 GSKILL. SHOULD I USE PBO ON STOCK COOLER? IS IT WORTH THE TROUBLE FOR GAMING? I HAVE 2080 SUPER.
@@benderrodriguez6343 I did a 3900x on a CH7 before upgrading to a CH8. For the first few weeks until a new bios I noticed higher performance on Cinebench and better temps with the X470.
the pbo scalar does work if you put it to 10x and put 200mhz on the boost override and set the edc to 1 to 10 it will allow the cpu to boost alot. depending if it can hit the extra 200mhz if anything it would hit about 125mhz extra boost or 150mhz.
5:14 That memory... my 160 bucks 2x 16GB 3200 rated Ripjaws V kit does 3600 18-20-20-40 and passed around 12 hours of stress testing in Prime95.... guess I must have been lucky!
hmm i don't know if im that much of a noob, but a few months ago i bought a gigabyte x570 Gaming X with a Ryzen 3600x and Corsair Vengeance Pro rgb 2x8gb 3600x, loaded the xmp as the ram was clocked to 2133 mhz, reboot and the bios would crash and restart 3 times when reset back to default :-( after days of playing with the setting i got the ram upto 3400mhz that was stable, played with the timings to get the read/write speeds as high as possible and just accepted it. After watching the breakdown of the motherboard you done a year back, you was talking about the Daisy Chain design, so i looked at the slots i had put the ram in 1&3, so i just moved them to 2&4 :-( XMP now runs @3800mhz stable at 1.38v with a fast timing setup :p i did have it running at 3866mhz but i didn't want to push my luck just yet :D
@Actually Hardcore Overclocking I have R9 3950X on Asus Prime X370 - Pro motherboard (cooler Noctua NH-U12A). I used to use PBO with manual setting enabled (unfortunately I did it before you published your guide and I set scalar to 10x, max boost to 200MHz and I left rest of the settings to auto - I know options I changed are meaningless according to your guide but they unlocked power limits as well) and I observed that CPU is able to keep much higher frequency than stock (3.8-4.0GHz vs 3.2GHz) when runing Prime 95 with custom settings 128k-128k. During mentioned Prime test with PBO enabled CPU was producing more than 220W of heat (according to HwINFO64). CPU on stock produces ~140W. After few minutes computer turned off (temperature on CPU was below 80C). Now I wonder what caused this unexpected shut down - VRM overheating? Is my mobo capable of handling R9 3950X with PBO enabled? Do you think there is any sense to check system stability with Prime 95 AVX2 enabled and small sample set (128-128k produces enormous amount of heat...)? I would be gratefull for your response.
This worked perfectly for me, Asus TUF Gaming X570 3700X @4.2 3600 memory got 5011 in Cinebench was getting around 4860 before. Deepcool Castle 240 I set the fan profile to be as quiet as possible 75C at full load.
Thanks BZ... only just came across this from the GN side. Quick question... can I safely use 3600Mhz on my 3200 kit Samsung B-die kit? Was in there playing around with it awhile back and after I flashed the Tuf X570 to 1407, my RAM is back set to 2133, so I need to fix that and was wondering. Thanks
Awesome my Asus Tuf gaming x570 plus comes in tomorrow. Ryzen 5 3600 Asus Tuf gaming x570 Scythe Fuma 2 G. Skill Ripjawz V 32G@3600 From a: B350 Gaming Pro Stock cooler G. Skill Ripjawz V 16G@3200
I have an Asus crosshair formula x570 and 3950x, 3600 cl 16 ram, following this guide I lost about 40 from cinebench r 15 and 20. I will look to see if I have anything else configured, but I am pretty sure all I had configured before was xmp ****edit***** after looking in the comments, someone mentioned to add an offset of -0.0125 which helped a bit. After about an hour of testing, I found a vcore voltage offset of -0.09375 worked best for me. all in all after tweaking, I think I gained about a 6% increase.
I run corsair 8 WiFi x570 with 3700x and corsair dominator 3200 cl16 .. because I run 900series in sli I find a bottleneck in heavy games like csgo.. to remove the bottleneck and gain 130fps I tuned off hyper threading in the bios.. I have not ran into a downside to turning off hyper threading.. I still run 2 monitors at 1080p UA-cam running ..with the benchmark in csgo workshop I manage to score 367 fps..in-game I see 400 with lows of 240 .. best machine I have ever build..
EDC 1 (bug exploit) on latest BIOS is better for a good cooler. 5121 in CBR20 first batch 3700X. Normally get the same as you at stock of 4770. MSI B450M Mortar V1. Boosts to 4.425 Ghz on two cores. 4.4 Ghz on the others. Temps and voltages are fine.
It looks like the Overdrive Scalar thing works for me. I've set it to 2x and power consumption while prime95 128k was about 120-123W. Set it to 3x and it spiked to 137W. 3700x, Asus Prime X570 "Pro". Bios version is 2606
I've set max boost override to +200 MHz on an asus prime x470 pro with an r5 3600 and in single core/lightly threaded applications it did boost up to 4.4 GHz instead of just 4.2. So it absolutely does something
With the widely different performance results and apparent changes in how this system works i've taken to just locking my 3900x to 4.2 all core. I did have it reaching 4300 all core on PBO with a non all core boosting to 4.5 at one point which completely disappeared after a reboot, now PBO will not go above 4.0 regardless of settings.
housemates had a few thermal shutdowns with static overclocks (doesn't bother testing temps properly) it seems to be over 100c when it does, and it comes up with thermal shutdown triggered in the bios
For anyone using iCUE software and suffered from the dreaded 1.45v at idle, I found a fix - Go in the software and set the profiles as you wish, but set the lighting on things like fans/light strips to Hardwaremode, disable icue in startup, and voila!!!!
R9 3900x, ROG Strix-E, ROG Thor 850 and PBO with 200MHz override, 4x, PPT 300, TDC 200 and EDC 200= max boost of 4.550GHz and frequent boosts to 4.525GHz. Motherboard, BIOS and Windows all up to date as of 03/23/2020. Can provide any other hardware specs or exact software versions if interested.
Great vid. Question: I recently installed 3600MHz C14 RAM. When i run a userbenchmark test, my ram is performing "below expectations". Is that a reliable test? CPU-Z, Ryzen Master and BIOS DOCP all say its 3600MHz with the correct cas latency timings 14-14-14-34 @ 1.45V.... R7 3700x (pre-built computer btw)
Cpu boost override helps with single core workload. I’ve gotten an extra 150mhz single core from only that setting. If your cpu has the silicon to go above it’s rated boost then the “override” takes effect
I guess I won the lottery with my 3800x. It does 4.2 on 1.288volts 4.3, 4.4 and 4.45 at 1.388. I am really sure of the 4.45 voltage as I kept creeping up. That looks good to me. Its a no go at 4.5 with voltages I'm comfortable with. It has cinebench R20 over 5300. The single thread has gone as high as 515. This is on an Asus TUF Gaming Plus wifi with a Noctua NH-D15. For general use I leave it at 4.2. Although I ran it at 4.45 for over a month.
spent a few months messing around wit hover clocking my 2700x and after five minutes of having PBO enabled I could tell the difference. A little lower cinebench number but everything else was way better and cooler. My highest with the 2700X is 4174 with PBO its 3953, but that took 1.5 volts...and when I am gaming my cpu stays a lot cooler while delivering better 4K framerate. Noctua NH-u14s with one 140mm fan. 2080 Black, GSkill Royals 3200 cas 14.
man i keep thinking about picking up a 3700X but i know that we are getting close to AMD announcing something about their 4000 Series, and if rumors are true another 10% in IPC will be worth the wait (im running a OC 6600K and am ready for an upgrade)
The only thing I did with this cpu was set on offset of -0.0875 volt on the VDDR CPU Voltage. Leave the rest on auto. XMP (DOCP) with 3600 mhz profile. I got speeds up to 4,37 Ghz on 1 or 2 cores, the other cores are all 4,2 Ghz. This gets me a cb20 score of 4995. Max temp with an Artic Liquid Freezer 280 was 66 celcius. Before this voltage offset my score was also 4771 and 1 or 2 cores did get 4,37 Ghz, but the rest was stuck at arond 4.0 Ghz. And my temps were much higher. Around 70/73. Hope this helps other people. :)
Are there any videos for the next level of overclocking, maybe an intermediate level one? I've got the BFG notura and would like to know what else I could tweak to get a little more out of my CPU.
SO i was thinking of buying a 3900X on an ASUS TUF X570 motherboard and then manually overclocking it to 4.3ghz with 1.35 on the Vcore, and making the other necessary changes with that. I have read many articles and spoke to many people who have said these settings work perfectly fine and grant a stable all core experience. But considering i have seen this and heard a fair bit about PBO being alright, would it make more sense to do this instead of a manual overclock, or in combination with it? BTW i'm going to be using a 3600Mhz Cl16 kit of ram, and i don't think i'm going to push it any further.
question will the msi b450I gaming plus ac motherboard handle those new 3000 chips while overclocking? i do have the 1600af at 4.1ghz 1.32volts llv4. also got some hyperx 3466 ram today RAN OUT THE BOX ill add with xmp pro 1. but yeah at you master >!!
On my ASUS TUF gaming X570-Plus mobo, with the 3700X, and 3200 MHz RAM, at first boot, settings defaulted to: RAM - 2600 MHz, CPU - 3600 MHz, CPU core - 1.467 V, and idle temp - 47 deg. In the BIOS, I set 'AI Overclock Tuner' to "DOCP"; it immediately set RAM to the manufacturers settings (speed & timings). The ONLY OTHER SETTING THAT I CHANGED was to set 'OC Tuner' to "OC Tuner". There was a prompt asking if "..tuning could start?". I okayed it, and it rebooted. After reboot, in the BIOS, CPU ratio had been set to 40.5 giving a CPU speed of 4050 MHz, CPU Core voltage had been reduced to 1.328 V, and the idle temp had dropped 10 deg to 37 deg. On running Cinebench R20, I got a score of 4905, and max CPU temp was 77 deg (using a Scythe Fuma cooler modified with two Phantek 140 mm fans). I am using the latest BIOS version (1407).
Oc Tuner is a big setting to change, sounds like your on a static OC with fixed voltage? im on the same mobo (with wifi) without the Oc Tuner the voltage will spike up at times but under load lives about 1.2v for all core and 1.3 to 1.4v for low load. im on the same mobo, your cin bench matches my 3700X on PBO or i get about 4700 without PBO without PBO all core hits about 88w but with PBO 110-120w (according to HWinfo64) i chose to live with stock, have a noctua d15s and CPU lives between 40c-60c most the time with small spikes to 70c. main thing is my fans stay super quiet all the time with PBO the fans have to work harder & relay the gain was so small.
Hey buildzoid, i have a question regarding overclocking. Now, i have a problem with my setup. I utilize a heavy overkill Open loop (x1 240mm, x1 280mm*45mm wide, x1 360mm radiator) together with an Asus crosshair 7 ( another overkill, yes i know). Now while i know how good the temps are and i know the voltage supply from the motherboard is not going to be a problem i am trying to literally break the wall limit with this CPU (AMD R5 2600) and i am canibalizing it for real. I spend yesterday (3/2/2020), more than 4 Hours trying to find the fine line of maximum clocks and reliability. Sadly while the temps are way too cool * max 74C at 155W and 100Amps current i cant get a stable 4.3+++ GHz all Core with static voltage OC 1.47++V. I run Cinebench R15 and i also see sometimes with some luck a completed rendering but without any extra Rating point at 4.35GHz compared to 4.3 for example. The maximum achieved possible rating was 1481 all core Cinebench R15. I did run prime95 but seems that cores are going off after 5 minutes and seems more unstable in comparison with Cinebench.. It seems like the thermals are not the problem here, the CPU could go 80C+ at 4.4 GHz but physical (inner Resistance, Transistor amount, i dont even know what to think) seems like impossible! I am trying to counter it with more voltage but it ain happen! I the maximum voltage i tryied was up to 1.49V. I do run my mem Setting 3400Mhz 14-14-14-28. * Gskill Trident Z 2x8GB - I dont know if they are Samsung/Micron dies or whatever.. Now, the reason why i push that much.. well, i invested heavily in a cooling solution (long term usage will pay back) but also on my graphics card. I own a beast 2080ti which works also with the water loop. But playing some games (actual example AC origins in 4K) the processor bottlenecks so hard on some places that i see an average GPU Core Usage value of 73%ish and i cant even exceed the 40 frames per second! That sucks!!! I tryied to change that with even more OC but it ain getting there. I regret not buying the 8700K afterall.. and investing every year in AM4 Platform to reach sometime the Intel capabilities in single core or even all core is also meh, since i will reach the 8700K costs and still being slower. Any suggestions what can i do? With regards, a filthy casual
Precision Boost 2 works by boosting a few cores depending on certain circumstances amongst temp and max boost clock. What you try to do is increasing the max clock by lets say 200 MHz but if other circumstances (maybe temp) is too high to achieve max boost or even lower then you will not see any difference because the limit there is temp. You seemed to have forgotten this, in the beginning you talked about the stock cooler and not much benefit but later in the video you talked about settings that had no effect.
Strange, i rebooted about 40 times in the course of one afternoon, OCing my Corsair 3600 cl 18 RAM, and my OS didn't care one bit. Thanks Buildzoid, i'm gonna backup before i do that the next time.
*ASUS X470-F Gaming and R9-3900x (and 3200MHz CL16 DDR4 2x16GB) here... my history with Overclocking it* #1 - had to take mobo to store to flash BIOS. I knew that was a possibility before ordering the board. #2 - used STOCK COOLER at default settings. Fan ramped up and down constantly and motor made a horrible grinding sound (others report this too). #3 - used Asus' AI Suite 3 DIP5 software to automatically overclock (not PBO) so it would figure out what frequency/voltage works and adjusted the fans #4 - got 4.25GHz all cores with stock cooler. Stable in most test but crashes with Handbrake at over 90% and with AVX tests in P95 #5 - used Noctua NH-D14 once my AM4 free adapter arrived from Noctua #6 - reran DIP5 and got to 4.275GHz all core (Wow, what an increase!). Still CRASHING. #7 - reran DIP5 again and got to 4.3GHz. Still CRASHING. #8 - reran DIP5 again and back to 4.275GHz. Crashing GONE now. WHAAT? Well, I'm not touching a damn thing anymore. #9 - tweaked FAN PROFILES as even with Noctua cooler the temperature spikes even under 10% load. WHY? (30% max RPM to 65degC then ramp to 100% at 75degC works for me best to ensure stability and minimal fluctuates of fan) #10 - MONTHS LATER I experimented with overclocking the Corsair LPX kit. Already at the XMP value of 3200MHz/CL16. Increases so MINIMAL before crashing I just went back to XMP. (I knew 3600MHz low CAS could produce better results but in Canada it was about 50% more money for the superior DDR4 memory. That was another $100CDN I just couldn't justify to myself and for Handbrake and GAMING which is mainly what I use it for I doubt I'd notice the difference)
EDIT: I'm on the latest BIOS for that motherboard if anybody cares. Also, the onboard AUDIO is pretty good IMO. About the same as my Audioengine DAC and my Auzentech X-Fi Forte. My Forte stopped working when VISTA was introduced (thanks Microsoft) then "DanielK" got a workaround with the drivers (thanks!) then Microsoft updated their software yet again in 2019 and killed support for my Forte (though it worked well enough without the extra Creative software). My MAIN REASON for having half decent audio on the motherboard is for LINUX SUPPORT. My USB audio kept dropping off in Linux (I'd have to restart it in the Audio setup) and my Forte card didn't work at all.
Edit 2: It's worth noting the TEMPERATURE the 3000 series can handle seems to be much LOWER than what the recent i7/i9 Intel CPU's can handle. So while the Intel CPU's consume more power for the same workload they also can handle a higher temperature. So I'm not sure how that works out in terms of FAN NOISE. It would be interesting to see a 5GHz Intel i9 compared to an R9-3900x when fan profiles have been adjusted on both for minimal noise to ensure stability with minimal frequency down-clocks.
When I built my new workstation, I initially planned on getting a 3900x or 3950x, but was un able to get one in time so got a 3700x.. which means I'm running a 3700x in a Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro Wifi with a h150i pro cooler. lol. Cpu temps get perhaps to 65-70c after tweaking the pbo somewhat. system is pretty darn quiet and I love it. :D eventually I'll probably grab a 3950x or maybe a ryzen 4000 assuming it'll work with this board.
Great video! Would the VRM on the ASUS crosshair 6 extreme be beefy enough to run a 3950x with pbo enabled? Would you run 3200mhz C14 Samsung b-die at 3600mhz with higher timings or stick to 3200?
Cosshair 6 user here with bdies and a 3700X: ram runs at 3733 cl16 cause mine can't do cl14 at that frequenc. But for the best performance you want to max out your fabric clock first and foremost, so definitely run at 3600, see if it does cl14, if not i think pretty much any bdie will do 3600 16-16-16-16-34 at 1.45v (Any bdie that isn't complete garbage that is, if it does 3200 cl14 this should be no problem at all)
I didn't bother tinkering with PBO so I set my 3600 to 4200mhz all core at 1.325V as people told me thats a safe long term voltage for Zen 2. SoC to 0.9V thats the lowest it will go on my board. It was up at 1.1V with PBO like why???? If 0.9 is perfectly stable... 4200mhz at that voltage is Cinebench stable but not Prime95 stable it will crash one or two workers witin a minute but the system has been like that for 2 years and it didn't crash once I thought ok when I manage to crash it I'll have to raise the voltage I guess. I don't see how optimizing PBO is worth it when my chip kinda maxes out at 4200mhz anyways it needs way too much voltage to get even near 4300mhz I've managed to get one run of Cinebench at 4300 and it needed almost 1.4V for that. Also there is the unspoken elephant in the room: Will PBO accelerate silicon degradation. I think it 100% does.
Isn't that high core voltage worrysome, it sometimes almost hit 1,48v. On your gigsbtye guide it didn't went over 1v in bios. Asking this because I have the same thing happening on my asus motherboard and don't want to unnecessarily degrade my chip faster.
The bug works... it just depends on what you're trying to achieve. Single core performance or lightly threaded workloads increase quite a bit but there is no gain to be had with heavy multi-core workload. With the EDC (1) setting I seen a 75mhz increase in clock speed on average in games. But heavy workloads show no change.
Hi Bz : Gigabyte 1st, now Asus... Any chance you make a similar video with MSI mobo ? Thanks for running this channel by the way. I Just discovered it, and I love it !
Had to try The stock cooler with my New 3900 and aouros pro 570. On load 60-62celcius. Playing planetside 2 on ultra settings. Swapped to The be quiet! Dark rock pro 4. Temp dropped by 9-10c, totaly worth it. And much less noise. This was on stock cpu speed no OC.
Tried this with my 3800X on a TUF X570 Gaming. And a 280 MM AiO. There was no difference in perfornance over Auto. However with a wattmeter (built into APC) there was no wattage draw difference between the manual settings and auto, hitting between 260 and 280 watts system power while running CB R20. Could just be my CPU/MB combo isn't being power limited as much on Auto.
I have a 3950x, msi gaming x trio 2080ti and 10 case fans with only a 750w power supply gold+. Will these settings be too much for the power supply to handle? Like, will it try to pull more power when there's not enough?
3700x manual 1.32V under load all cores 1.3V 4.3Ghz all cores and FCKL 1900 RAM 3800 cl16 manual timing, and everyting is very stable, max temp TDIE is 77C under stress test is it ok to run on that manual overclock or better leave to PBO as you mentioned and leave ram and FCLK on stock XMP profiles? under full load i can see 1.28-1.30V and i think it is not high at all
I have ballistix sport 2400 red and xmp sets it up on 3000 so should I stick with that or is it ok to overclock ram higher?I have a Asus b450ma with 2070 super ventus oc with a Corsair single radiator aio.
I have active cooling over the VRMs on a B450 using a 3600. It has AIO cooler, I know you said this is bad if your using lots cores lika 3950, but these settings ok for a 3600? Board is TUF b450-plus - thanks
Sorry if I ask here do you think an asrock b450 pro 4 can handle a new Ryzen 3000 with more than 8 core without overclock? I cooled the vrm with a fan right now since I'm operating a 2700x lightly overclocked.
On an R5 3600 Max CPU boost clock override did give me +200 mhz on an Asus B450M which translated to a 4.4 Ghz. On my next board Gigabyte B450 AorusM, there is not a mhz adder and on the same CPU was limited to 4.2 Ghz
How can someone limit the temperature that these CPUs hit? Is there any setting in Bios or in Ryzen Master that allows you to place your own Max Temperature limit (in this case say 70 deg C, while also retaining PB2 "out of the box" functionality), at the price ofcourse of hindered performance? From a performance standpoint this may not make much sense, but from a longterm reliability and -"avoiding any possible CPU degaradation effects" - point of view this could/might be useful...(?) / These are thoughts/dilemas on whether or not PB2 on ryzen 3000 series is a little too aggressive the way AMD has it currently set up. What do you think?
FYI. Thermal Shutdown happens at exactly 115c. Don't ask me how I know...
Ouch which poor CPU felt that.
How do you know?
j.k.
You, you're a maniac
@@syth-1 what if he did it on like a ryzen 3 1200 that they sent him as a bios conversion kit? :O then he's just a mad lad genius.
I bet the last thing in your UA-cam watch history before that happened was one of those Minecraft Ultra Graphics videos.
I WAS TODAY YEARS OLD WHEN I LEARNED THAT MY MOTHERBOARD ACTUALLY DOES HAVE XMP OPTIONS IT'S JUST CALLED DOCP.
lol
DOCP is just AMD's version of XMP which is an Intel standard.
@@christopherjames9843 its actually just ASUS no other company uses "docp"
@@plusixty8992 I think Gigabyte used something called "EOCP" at one point.
relatable AF
got a 5% increase on cinebench after this with my 3700x on asus tuf x570. thanks, dude
@@diomedes7971 just sitting here watching my CPU Cort voltage, it's bouncing around .8 - 1.3 with a few background apps running
@@diomedes7971 are you on x570 with latest bios and chipset drivers?
@@diomedes7971 but have you also updated the bios of the motherboard? That is important as well
How much more heat was generated?
@@Phamine I did not see any noticeable change in thermals, but I'm also running a noctua cooler, not the stock cooler.
Max boost clock overrride absolutely works -- on a 3600, and on that only -- because the boost algorithm is artificially capped there at 4200. Giving it +200 effectively makes it into a 3600X, and you see 4400 in single core boost.
depends on the cpu, tried out this setting already months ago, yes, ryzen master shows 4.4 ghz "possible clockspeed but in reality the cpu never boosts to it. allcore boost didnt increase as well
@@MegaDominik1 same here on my 3600😕
my r5 3600x sometimes boost to 4.5ghz with asus crosshair viii hero
@@parabelluminvicta8380 I used to see around 4.45 or 4.475 at launch with my 3600x on my msi x470 gaming plus mb
Yeah. My R5 3600 with PBO and auto oc +200 gives me 4,400GHz single core boost. Asus C6H mobo. And allcore boost depends on the load, on cine r20 it gives 4,100-4,050GHz
Couldn't have come at a more perfect time. Literally just built my new computer with an Asus mobo yesterday lol
Then be sure to use PBO with ASUS Level 3 setting which will boost single core perf and givela good multi with little or no core volt boost also (-50mv offset) regardless of his statements either he damaged his CPU or got a bad one Every other review (ASUS) gets good results
I was actually planning out a build on pcpartpicker last night with this same mobo so this was perfect for me too
Ditto , built my new PC with 3700x and Asus Tuf gaming Wifi just last week. :)
Brennahan I’m in the same boat too. Just built my first gaming pc in like a decade a couple weeks ago.
R5 3600 / ASUS x570-e mobo / sapphire nitro 5700 xt
I was literally on the brink of returning my gpu because of the black screen driver issue, even requested a return, and then AMD dropped a driver update Saturday (needed to send card in Sunday at the latest) and so far it seems fixed but I really hope it 100% is cause I can’t return it now and warranty’s don’t typically cover driver issues.
@@radicalxedward8047 Good choices overall. In my build I'm using a red dragon 5700 and flashing bios to xt. The sapphire is even better tho because of the dual bios and comparable thermos
Asus Crosshair VI owner here. I've used the +200 offset for the past couple of weeks along with power limit increases on my 3600. It shows boost to 4.35ghz, which it goes to quite often even on fairly heavy cinema4d rendering workloads. Performance is quite a bit better gaming, but i'm pretty unsure of the results since there was the clockspeed bug not too long ago. Will have to do more testing at stock.
BehindEnemyFences do you mean the clock speed +200mhz or vcore offset +200mV. The additional 200mhz does work for me on c7h but on only singlecore stuffs.
@@nhozdien5058 A +200mV offset from stock would absolutely decimate a poor 7nm cpu lol. Just the +200mhz in the pbo/ power limit section. I'm also water cooled so it's running under 50c at all times, thermals are a game changer for staying on boost with Ryzen.
Great stuff, as always, Buildzoid! I had already translated this over from your video with the 3950X and Gigabyte X570 Aorus Extreme. I have a 3700X and Asus X570 Crosshair VIII Hero and it did squeeze a little bit more out of it. For memory I have a 16 Gb 4000MHz Teamgroup kit that I've clocked down to 3600MHz as well. Thaiphoon Burner says that it's Samsung B-die, so I went ahead and tightened up the timings using the Ryzen D-RAM calculator "fast" settings. It's been running this way since whenever the other video was published without any hiccups whatsoever. I'll have to run the benchmarks again to see what my scrores are again. The one score I kind of remember is CB R20 being just over 5,000. It's probably worth mentioning that my CPU is liquid cooled by a custom loop.
Thanks for this! I have this exact mother board and am trying to learn about overclocking, so this video really helps by simplify things for me! Super cool!!👍👍
I got 4865 scrore on Cinebench r20 when Overclocked as you did, stock score was 4558
So almost 300+ points
My 3950x averages around 4100 on c20
@@Tallnerdyguy Then your doing something seriously wrong.
@@GraphicallyChallenged ya, i was looking at my r15 score lol
With 3700X with PBO, Noctua NH-D15 and a little overclocked 3200/CL16 memory to 3733/CL16 + better subtimings + FCLK 1866, I'm at 4990 best score in R20. Can't break the magical 5k though.
@@MaxiimTribe I can keep 1.4V 4.3 GHz and get over 5200 in R20 but I rather keep single the core performance as well :)
Max CPU Boost Clock Override did work for me on my Asus Prime B350-Plus with 2600X, I found 125MHz to be the sweet spot. Pretty minor change as you might expect. I guess I'll try the Scalar now, I had heard that's the one that does nothing. I'm not touching those power limits with this board's VRM though. UPDATE: After 30 runs I found the Scaler more beneficial than the Boost Clock Override, and the benefits don't stack (no benefit from changing both for me). Best performance I got was Boost Clock on Auto and Scaler on 8x. Only tests I ran were a CS:GO benchmark and Cinebench R20, the only time I ever got CS:GO to score above 250fps was with the scaler on 7x and 8x.
8:29 Default sets to 395/160/190 for 3700X for reference
If you want to try out the numbers for PPT/TDC/EDC on a Gigabyte motherboard, make sure you tweak 'Package Power Limit Control' on [Peripherals]-[AMD CBS]. Set it [AUTO] to [Manual] and put the number (300) as BZ suggests.
Been testing my 3950X on X570 master, i get about the same performance with undervolting as this but it runs ~15-20c cooler. My system now max out at 68c and fans dont spin up ( prime 95 small FFT)
my settings is mem 3800 IF=1900
PBO = OFF ( in both menus )
Undervolt -0.10000V ( higher UV needs LLC high/turbo)
LLC = auto
CB20 ~9550
Cpu-Z SC 550 MC ~11200
Hi Dennis, can you share what settings need to be done in the bios for the undervolting ? I am new to this. I did the precision boost and tried running cinebench and my system shutdown cause processor reached 107 degrees. And that is with a corsair 280 mm AIO push pull. Not sure what is wrong either the cooler or the thermal paste.
I was waiting for this but I tinkered on my own ..
Now I realise I did the exact same things, thanks Buildzoid, all those hours of OC tutorial totally paid !
Almost all PBO settings are present 3 times in the Asus BIOS. In Ai Tweaker, CBS and AMD OC. Has anyone found out what menu works best or are they all the same? They do not overwrite each other which is super wierd.
This.
That's an interesting one I was unaware of. Do share the information if you find out, I'm curious to know this myself now.
+1
ASUS needs to fix their BIOS.
Which is ironic considering they had the best BIOS's in the past.
I just type in all the same settings at all these places. Seriously this is really stupid.
Two weeks ago I spent a few hours messing with PBO and found that PPT 300, TCD 250, EDC 0 and Custom Scalar 4X works best for a Prime X370-PRO with 3700X and 5406 beta BIOS, I get around 5030cb in multicore and 513cb in single in Cinebench R20.
Where did you find the 5604 BIOS? Latest on the website is 5220, been checking it now and again waiting for an agesa 1.0.0.4 but been no updates since sept 19'.
@@406mill Its 5406 test bios, you can download it at hardwareluxx forums.
Sorry, it's 5406, not 5604, just fixed the post. Search for "PRIME X370-PRO ComboPI_1004PatchB" and you'll probably land in Hardwareluxx forums or leddit page with the link. Note that spread spectrum is broken for Zen 1 and Zen+ in this beta if you plan to BIOS mod it.
Thanks for the easy guide. Worked ok for me on a x570 tuf gaming WiFi and a 3800x, 16 gigs trident z neo @ 3600mhz and a Rtx 2070 super. Went from 4790 to 4910 on cinebench. Not huge, but better than nothing.
I have the ASUS B450 ITX mother board with a 3700x and 3600 ram, and this did actually work, i had DOCP and PBO enabled and set to auto before. IT gave me a boost of almost 400 score better in 3dmark.
Can confirm this works on a 3900x
How much faster did it get?
Would like to know and info on this. I just got a ASUS X570-E and a 3900x on a custom loop.
@@Money_bagz I have a 3900x on a asux x570 prime pro and it works. But it works even better with a - 0.125volt offset on the core voltage too (at least on my cpu) 😁 on a custom loop as well.
Another tip is to change the spin up tume on the fans because when the core suddenly hits full clock the fans will spin up instantly for 15 seconds then spin down
@@alexanderbeiler818 I'm going to test that offset for my 3900X and ROG Strix X570-I
loads DOCP on 2400G
Motherboard instantly dies...
thank you Asus...
"The easy way" .... 40 minutes later ...
Actually he provided what to set quickly. At that point you could have just stopped watching the video and had good results.
@@HenryThe12 So you haven't seen Gamers Nexus 8 hour overclocking streams?
Ez way to waste time
A script would have made this video far more efficient.
So you have not yet heard about Memtest´s Nightcycles, i guess
An updated version of this for 5000 cpu's would be nice :)
im getting into overclocking more, really helped you explaining what these mean
An other 4am packin the knowledge in... Thank you buddy!
@Buildzoid and @everyone ASUS doesn't use XMP for AMD mobos ram because is an Intel copyrighted term and could sue them that is why they use the generic term for the same thing
basically. Its kind of like that diesel truck part company that wanted to trademark a color of blue....
X570 Crosshair Hero VIII Wifi + 3950x over here, definitely trying this when I get home!
How did it go?
Bleach • slight bump in performance as expected. Temps remained the same, so pretty much free performance lol
@@HoveKB Mee too, crosshair VIII hero + 3950x, i will do some test too
@@cercvideosvarios I have the same setup. Saw a slight boost . What are your idle temps? I'm sitting at 50c with a 360mm AIO.
@@paulhenricksen5728 Hi, maybe i do not understand if this setting on bios need to have the core ratio in "auto", anyway always since i have this setup i put core ratio in 42.0 and i have better performance (on cinebench) than if i put core ratio in "auto" whith these buildzoid setting, mi idle temps are 35-40ªC (Vcore manual 1.22), and i haver air cooler (Deepcool Gammaxx 400 push/pull 120 mm fans)
however I will continue testing and I comment
Any Msi board.... since the bios is almost the same on all of them + some tips for voltage. Please and thank you
On my MSI X570 Tomahawk I found these settings under "Overclocking/Advanced CPU Configuration". After I changed Precision Boost Overdrive to "Advanced", they appeared underneath it.
Is there any tells tweaks that will improve single threaded/ gaming performance? Or is it only memory tweaking and cooling for that?
Thanks Buildzoid! How long till ASROCK? Are you going to use the x470 Taichi or an x570 board?
17:01 the 65w TDP comes from the CPU core power limit being 65w. When you add the SoC wattage on top of that it'll bring it up to 80ish. My 3700x pegs exactly at 65w on the core power consumption at stock PBO settings. Still doesn't make sense to call it a 65w TDP CPU though.
Would like to see similar content with a 2700X / ASUS X570 board. I cant be the only one running this combo considering Microcenter was practically giving away 2700X's not long ago.
Same here, I drove 2hrs each way to get that deal. I could have order the parts and spent about the if you count the gas but it was bouncing around in the back of my car rather than a ups/FedEx truck and I got it that day. I got the Asus tuf wifi x570 and 2700x. Memory and a few other things I was was up to 400ish. Not bad for the cpu I ended up with. How about you?
Okay, so... I've seen a lot of people talking about running PBO and shaving .100mV off the vcore and making pretty decent gains off the 3950X while getting rid of the voltage seesaw and better temps. Curious to know what your thoughts on this are?
the issue is if you drop the voltage too much you'll get BSODs so if you want to mess with negative offsets you basically NEED to stress test.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Yep, I figured stress testing would be necessary. I was just curious about the claim that lowering the voltage is getting people more performance. I get the logic with Zen's boosting behavior, it's just still counter intuitive. I'm going to try a negative .05v and see what happens. Going to be doing what you showed in the video as well.
Hey BZ! Got any tips on RAM Stability. I'm using an Aorus Z390 Master using 2x8 4133mhz patriot viper but I've got another 2x8 kit coming. I was thinking of trying to tighten my timings to 3200mhz CL11 or something
LOVE YOUR VIDEOS CHAMP, I ONLY LISTEN TO YOUR ADVICE AND GN. I GOT A X570 TUF AND 3700X DDR4 3600 GSKILL. SHOULD I USE PBO ON STOCK COOLER? IS IT WORTH THE TROUBLE FOR GAMING? I HAVE 2080 SUPER.
Upgraded to a 3700x on a Hero 7 mobo so yeah, tinkering tonight it seems.
I just upgraded to a X570 Hero too. I will be doing the same.
@@JCFranco I'm very curious how you do I nearly did a CH7 with my 3900x
@@benderrodriguez6343 I did a 3900x on a CH7 before upgrading to a CH8. For the first few weeks until a new bios I noticed higher performance on Cinebench and better temps with the X470.
the pbo scalar does work if you put it to 10x and put 200mhz on the boost override and set the edc to 1 to 10 it will allow the cpu to boost alot. depending if it can hit the extra 200mhz if anything it would hit about 125mhz extra boost or 150mhz.
5:14 That memory... my 160 bucks 2x 16GB 3200 rated Ripjaws V kit does 3600 18-20-20-40 and passed around 12 hours of stress testing in Prime95.... guess I must have been lucky!
Is a prime 95 a decent test for ram or you need to run something like specific ram tests?
hmm i don't know if im that much of a noob, but a few months ago i bought a gigabyte x570 Gaming X with a Ryzen 3600x and Corsair Vengeance Pro rgb 2x8gb 3600x, loaded the xmp as the ram was clocked to 2133 mhz, reboot and the bios would crash and restart 3 times when reset back to default :-( after days of playing with the setting i got the ram upto 3400mhz that was stable, played with the timings to get the read/write speeds as high as possible and just accepted it.
After watching the breakdown of the motherboard you done a year back, you was talking about the Daisy Chain design, so i looked at the slots i had put the ram in 1&3, so i just moved them to 2&4 :-(
XMP now runs @3800mhz stable at 1.38v with a fast timing setup :p i did have it running at 3866mhz but i didn't want to push my luck just yet :D
Really enjoying these types of videos
Hey buildzoid, I remember watching a video like this but for gigabyte boards, am I dreaming or is there one?
About the same results. +200 on cinebench. But squeezing more performance increased my bang for the buck thank you.
@Actually Hardcore Overclocking I have R9 3950X on Asus Prime X370 - Pro motherboard (cooler Noctua NH-U12A). I used to use PBO with manual setting enabled (unfortunately I did it before you published your guide and I set scalar to 10x, max boost to 200MHz and I left rest of the settings to auto - I know options I changed are meaningless according to your guide but they unlocked power limits as well) and I observed that CPU is able to keep much higher frequency than stock (3.8-4.0GHz vs 3.2GHz) when runing Prime 95 with custom settings 128k-128k. During mentioned Prime test with PBO enabled CPU was producing more than 220W of heat (according to HwINFO64). CPU on stock produces ~140W. After few minutes computer turned off (temperature on CPU was below 80C). Now I wonder what caused this unexpected shut down - VRM overheating? Is my mobo capable of handling R9 3950X with PBO enabled? Do you think there is any sense to check system stability with Prime 95 AVX2 enabled and small sample set (128-128k produces enormous amount of heat...)? I would be gratefull for your response.
Hi
This worked perfectly for me, Asus TUF Gaming X570 3700X @4.2 3600 memory got 5011 in Cinebench was getting around 4860 before. Deepcool Castle 240 I set the fan profile to be as quiet as possible 75C at full load.
Thanks BZ... only just came across this from the GN side. Quick question... can I safely use 3600Mhz on my 3200 kit Samsung B-die kit? Was in there playing around with it awhile back and after I flashed the Tuf X570 to 1407, my RAM is back set to 2133, so I need to fix that and was wondering. Thanks
Awesome my Asus Tuf gaming x570 plus comes in tomorrow.
Ryzen 5 3600
Asus Tuf gaming x570
Scythe Fuma 2
G. Skill Ripjawz V 32G@3600
From a:
B350 Gaming Pro
Stock cooler
G. Skill Ripjawz V 16G@3200
Wow. nice.
Did you try these setting on the 3600? If so how did it go?
I have an Asus crosshair formula x570 and 3950x, 3600 cl 16 ram, following this guide I lost about 40 from cinebench r 15 and 20. I will look to see if I have anything else configured, but I am pretty sure all I had configured before was xmp
****edit***** after looking in the comments, someone mentioned to add an offset of -0.0125 which helped a bit. After about an hour of testing, I found a vcore voltage offset of -0.09375 worked best for me. all in all after tweaking, I think I gained about a 6% increase.
I run corsair 8 WiFi x570 with 3700x and corsair dominator 3200 cl16 .. because I run 900series in sli I find a bottleneck in heavy games like csgo.. to remove the bottleneck and gain 130fps I tuned off hyper threading in the bios.. I have not ran into a downside to turning off hyper threading.. I still run 2 monitors at 1080p UA-cam running ..with the benchmark in csgo workshop I manage to score 367 fps..in-game I see 400 with lows of 240 .. best machine I have ever build..
EDC 1 (bug exploit) on latest BIOS is better for a good cooler. 5121 in CBR20 first batch 3700X. Normally get the same as you at stock of 4770. MSI B450M Mortar V1. Boosts to 4.425 Ghz on two cores. 4.4 Ghz on the others. Temps and voltages are fine.
It looks like the Overdrive Scalar thing works for me. I've set it to 2x and power consumption while prime95 128k was about 120-123W. Set it to 3x and it spiked to 137W. 3700x, Asus Prime X570 "Pro". Bios version is 2606
I've set max boost override to +200 MHz on an asus prime x470 pro with an r5 3600 and in single core/lightly threaded applications it did boost up to 4.4 GHz instead of just 4.2. So it absolutely does something
Yes, but don't manually adjust the core ratio. Just put it auto.
thank god, i also hav a 3700x but my mobo is Tuf Plus x570
Works on my ROG b550
@@goblinproduction6234 awesome
With the widely different performance results and apparent changes in how this system works i've taken to just locking my 3900x to 4.2 all core. I did have it reaching 4300 all core on PBO with a non all core boosting to 4.5 at one point which completely disappeared after a reboot, now PBO will not go above 4.0 regardless of settings.
housemates had a few thermal shutdowns with static overclocks (doesn't bother testing temps properly) it seems to be over 100c when it does, and it comes up with thermal shutdown triggered in the bios
For anyone using iCUE software and suffered from the dreaded 1.45v at idle, I found a fix - Go in the software and set the profiles as you wish, but set the lighting on things like fans/light strips to Hardwaremode, disable icue in startup, and voila!!!!
For my 3900x i set XMP profile to 3000Mhz and FCLK Frequency to 1500Mhz. Results for R20 is: 7042 before, and 7103 after.
R9 3900x, ROG Strix-E, ROG Thor 850 and PBO with 200MHz override, 4x, PPT 300, TDC 200 and EDC 200= max boost of 4.550GHz and frequent boosts to 4.525GHz. Motherboard, BIOS and Windows all up to date as of 03/23/2020. Can provide any other hardware specs or exact software versions if interested.
Great vid.
Question:
I recently installed 3600MHz C14 RAM. When i run a userbenchmark test, my ram is performing "below expectations". Is that a reliable test?
CPU-Z, Ryzen Master and BIOS DOCP all say its 3600MHz with the correct cas latency timings 14-14-14-34 @ 1.45V.... R7 3700x (pre-built computer btw)
Cpu boost override helps with single core workload. I’ve gotten an extra 150mhz single core from only that setting. If your cpu has the silicon to go above it’s rated boost then the “override” takes effect
It doesn’t however auto boost. Just gives it more headroom
I guess I won the lottery with my 3800x. It does 4.2 on 1.288volts 4.3, 4.4 and 4.45 at 1.388. I am really sure of the 4.45 voltage as I kept creeping up. That looks good to me. Its a no go at 4.5 with voltages I'm comfortable with. It has cinebench R20 over 5300. The single thread has gone as high as 515. This is on an Asus TUF Gaming Plus wifi with a Noctua NH-D15. For general use I leave it at 4.2. Although I ran it at 4.45 for over a month.
My 3800x with Asus Crosshair VII bios 3004 all core static OC
DRAM 2x8GB 3800MHz cl-14-14-14-14-26-40 1.5v
NZXT Kraken x62 280mm AIO Push/Pull
3800x 4.4GHz @1.25v - CB r20 - 5420+
3800x 4.5GHz @1.35v - CB r20 - 5520+
Hi, useful video. I have a 3900x is there any way to increase the max single core boost frequency above 4.6ghz?
spent a few months messing around wit hover clocking my 2700x and after five minutes of having PBO enabled I could tell the difference. A little lower cinebench number but everything else was way better and cooler. My highest with the 2700X is 4174 with PBO its 3953, but that took 1.5 volts...and when I am gaming my cpu stays a lot cooler while delivering better 4K framerate.
Noctua NH-u14s with one 140mm fan. 2080 Black, GSkill Royals 3200 cas 14.
I get the same results with just a VCore Offset of -0.1V . I changed nothing else. So i guess that's the real easy way :P
WHAT? HOW?
man i keep thinking about picking up a 3700X but i know that we are getting close to AMD announcing something about their 4000 Series, and if rumors are true another 10% in IPC will be worth the wait (im running a OC 6600K and am ready for an upgrade)
The only thing I did with this cpu was set on offset of -0.0875 volt on the VDDR CPU Voltage. Leave the rest on auto. XMP (DOCP) with 3600 mhz profile. I got speeds up to 4,37 Ghz on 1 or 2 cores, the other cores are all 4,2 Ghz. This gets me a cb20 score of 4995. Max temp with an Artic Liquid Freezer 280 was 66 celcius.
Before this voltage offset my score was also 4771 and 1 or 2 cores did get 4,37 Ghz, but the rest was stuck at arond 4.0 Ghz. And my temps were much higher. Around 70/73.
Hope this helps other people. :)
4 years later, I'm learning how to squeeze every last bit out of my 3600X. Thanks, AHO!
Are there any videos for the next level of overclocking, maybe an intermediate level one? I've got the BFG notura and would like to know what else I could tweak to get a little more out of my CPU.
nice vid, thanks.
guys, whats your choice for new setup ?
Asus TUF x570 plus gaming
VS gigabyte x570 aorus elite vs gigabyte x570 aorus PRO
SO i was thinking of buying a 3900X on an ASUS TUF X570 motherboard and then manually overclocking it to 4.3ghz with 1.35 on the Vcore, and making the other necessary changes with that. I have read many articles and spoke to many people who have said these settings work perfectly fine and grant a stable all core experience. But considering i have seen this and heard a fair bit about PBO being alright, would it make more sense to do this instead of a manual overclock, or in combination with it?
BTW i'm going to be using a 3600Mhz Cl16 kit of ram, and i don't think i'm going to push it any further.
question will the msi b450I gaming plus ac motherboard handle those new 3000 chips while overclocking? i do have the 1600af at 4.1ghz 1.32volts llv4. also got some hyperx 3466 ram today RAN OUT THE BOX ill add with xmp pro 1. but yeah at you master >!!
i got my 3800x to single core boost to 4624mhz with pbo enabled. very stable. cinebench score 13350. 3dmark timespy cpu score 11042.
On my ASUS TUF gaming X570-Plus mobo, with the 3700X, and 3200 MHz RAM, at first boot, settings defaulted to: RAM - 2600 MHz, CPU - 3600 MHz, CPU core - 1.467 V, and idle temp - 47 deg. In the BIOS, I set 'AI Overclock Tuner' to "DOCP"; it immediately set RAM to the manufacturers settings (speed & timings). The ONLY OTHER SETTING THAT I CHANGED was to set 'OC Tuner' to "OC Tuner". There was a prompt asking if "..tuning could start?". I okayed it, and it rebooted. After reboot, in the BIOS, CPU ratio had been set to 40.5 giving a CPU speed of 4050 MHz, CPU Core voltage had been reduced to 1.328 V, and the idle temp had dropped 10 deg to 37 deg. On running Cinebench R20, I got a score of 4905, and max CPU temp was 77 deg (using a Scythe Fuma cooler modified with two Phantek 140 mm fans). I am using the latest BIOS version (1407).
Oc Tuner is a big setting to change, sounds like your on a static OC with fixed voltage?
im on the same mobo (with wifi)
without the Oc Tuner the voltage will spike up at times but under load lives about 1.2v for all core and 1.3 to 1.4v for low load.
im on the same mobo, your cin bench matches my 3700X on PBO or i get about 4700 without PBO
without PBO all core hits about 88w but with PBO 110-120w (according to HWinfo64)
i chose to live with stock, have a noctua d15s and CPU lives between 40c-60c most the time with small spikes to 70c. main thing is my fans stay super quiet all the time with PBO the fans have to work harder & relay the gain was so small.
Did these steps on my MSI tomahawk max and my cinebench score was lower. Please do an MSI video, I must have gone wrong somewhere!
Have the same problem on an MSI X570 Unify. CPU not boosting correctly.
Hey buildzoid, i have a question regarding overclocking.
Now, i have a problem with my setup. I utilize a heavy overkill Open loop (x1 240mm, x1 280mm*45mm wide, x1 360mm radiator) together with an Asus crosshair 7 ( another overkill, yes i know). Now while i know how good the temps are and i know the voltage supply from the motherboard is not going to be a problem i am trying to literally break the wall limit with this CPU (AMD R5 2600) and i am canibalizing it for real.
I spend yesterday (3/2/2020), more than 4 Hours trying to find the fine line of maximum clocks and reliability. Sadly while the temps are way too cool * max 74C at 155W and 100Amps current i cant get a stable 4.3+++ GHz all Core with static voltage OC 1.47++V. I run Cinebench R15 and i also see sometimes with some luck a completed rendering but without any extra Rating point at 4.35GHz compared to 4.3 for example. The maximum achieved possible rating was 1481 all core Cinebench R15. I did run prime95 but seems that cores are going off after 5 minutes and seems more unstable in comparison with Cinebench.. It seems like the thermals are not the problem here, the CPU could go 80C+ at 4.4 GHz but physical (inner Resistance, Transistor amount, i dont even know what to think) seems like impossible! I am trying to counter it with more voltage but it ain happen! I the maximum voltage i tryied was up to 1.49V.
I do run my mem Setting 3400Mhz 14-14-14-28. * Gskill Trident Z 2x8GB - I dont know if they are Samsung/Micron dies or whatever..
Now, the reason why i push that much.. well, i invested heavily in a cooling solution (long term usage will pay back) but also on my graphics card. I own a beast 2080ti which works also with the water loop. But playing some games (actual example AC origins in 4K) the processor bottlenecks so hard on some places that i see an average GPU Core Usage value of 73%ish and i cant even exceed the 40 frames per second! That sucks!!! I tryied to change that with even more OC but it ain getting there. I regret not buying the 8700K afterall.. and investing every year in AM4 Platform to reach sometime the Intel capabilities in single core or even all core is also meh, since i will reach the 8700K costs and still being slower. Any suggestions what can i do?
With regards, a filthy casual
Precision Boost 2 works by boosting a few cores depending on certain circumstances amongst temp and max boost clock. What you try to do is increasing the max clock by lets say 200 MHz but if other circumstances (maybe temp) is too high to achieve max boost or even lower then you will not see any difference because the limit there is temp. You seemed to have forgotten this, in the beginning you talked about the stock cooler and not much benefit but later in the video you talked about settings that had no effect.
Strange, i rebooted about 40 times in the course of one afternoon, OCing my Corsair 3600 cl 18 RAM, and my OS didn't care one bit. Thanks Buildzoid, i'm gonna backup before i do that the next time.
Hello BZ, I really enjoy the way you put your videos, actually for this one I kinda miss the white board with the numbers.
*ASUS X470-F Gaming and R9-3900x (and 3200MHz CL16 DDR4 2x16GB) here... my history with Overclocking it*
#1 - had to take mobo to store to flash BIOS. I knew that was a possibility before ordering the board.
#2 - used STOCK COOLER at default settings. Fan ramped up and down constantly and motor made a horrible grinding sound (others report this too).
#3 - used Asus' AI Suite 3 DIP5 software to automatically overclock (not PBO) so it would figure out what frequency/voltage works and adjusted the fans
#4 - got 4.25GHz all cores with stock cooler. Stable in most test but crashes with Handbrake at over 90% and with AVX tests in P95
#5 - used Noctua NH-D14 once my AM4 free adapter arrived from Noctua
#6 - reran DIP5 and got to 4.275GHz all core (Wow, what an increase!). Still CRASHING.
#7 - reran DIP5 again and got to 4.3GHz. Still CRASHING.
#8 - reran DIP5 again and back to 4.275GHz. Crashing GONE now. WHAAT? Well, I'm not touching a damn thing anymore.
#9 - tweaked FAN PROFILES as even with Noctua cooler the temperature spikes even under 10% load. WHY? (30% max RPM to 65degC then ramp to 100% at 75degC works for me best to ensure stability and minimal fluctuates of fan)
#10 - MONTHS LATER I experimented with overclocking the Corsair LPX kit. Already at the XMP value of 3200MHz/CL16. Increases so MINIMAL before crashing I just went back to XMP.
(I knew 3600MHz low CAS could produce better results but in Canada it was about 50% more money for the superior DDR4 memory. That was another $100CDN I just couldn't justify to myself and for Handbrake and GAMING which is mainly what I use it for I doubt I'd notice the difference)
EDIT: I'm on the latest BIOS for that motherboard if anybody cares. Also, the onboard AUDIO is pretty good IMO. About the same as my Audioengine DAC and my Auzentech X-Fi Forte. My Forte stopped working when VISTA was introduced (thanks Microsoft) then "DanielK" got a workaround with the drivers (thanks!) then Microsoft updated their software yet again in 2019 and killed support for my Forte (though it worked well enough without the extra Creative software). My MAIN REASON for having half decent audio on the motherboard is for LINUX SUPPORT. My USB audio kept dropping off in Linux (I'd have to restart it in the Audio setup) and my Forte card didn't work at all.
Edit 2: It's worth noting the TEMPERATURE the 3000 series can handle seems to be much LOWER than what the recent i7/i9 Intel CPU's can handle. So while the Intel CPU's consume more power for the same workload they also can handle a higher temperature. So I'm not sure how that works out in terms of FAN NOISE. It would be interesting to see a 5GHz Intel i9 compared to an R9-3900x when fan profiles have been adjusted on both for minimal noise to ensure stability with minimal frequency down-clocks.
When I built my new workstation, I initially planned on getting a 3900x or 3950x, but was un able to get one in time so got a 3700x.. which means I'm running a 3700x in a Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro Wifi with a h150i pro cooler. lol. Cpu temps get perhaps to 65-70c after tweaking the pbo somewhat. system is pretty darn quiet and I love it. :D eventually I'll probably grab a 3950x or maybe a ryzen 4000 assuming it'll work with this board.
Great video! Would the VRM on the ASUS crosshair 6 extreme be beefy enough to run a 3950x with pbo enabled? Would you run 3200mhz C14 Samsung b-die at 3600mhz with higher timings or stick to 3200?
crosshair 6 should be fine
Cosshair 6 user here with bdies and a 3700X: ram runs at 3733 cl16 cause mine can't do cl14 at that frequenc. But for the best performance you want to max out your fabric clock first and foremost, so definitely run at 3600, see if it does cl14, if not i think pretty much any bdie will do 3600 16-16-16-16-34 at 1.45v
(Any bdie that isn't complete garbage that is, if it does 3200 cl14 this should be no problem at all)
quick question, should I use the additional 4pin cpu cable if i do this? right now im running this tweaked setup on only the 8pin. cheers!
The performance improvement is negligible, abut the lifespan of your motherboard being cut in half is not.
I didn't bother tinkering with PBO so I set my 3600 to 4200mhz all core at 1.325V as people told me thats a safe long term voltage for Zen 2.
SoC to 0.9V thats the lowest it will go on my board. It was up at 1.1V with PBO like why???? If 0.9 is perfectly stable...
4200mhz at that voltage is Cinebench stable but not Prime95 stable it will crash one or two workers witin a minute but the system has been like that for 2 years and it didn't crash once I thought ok when I manage to crash it I'll have to raise the voltage I guess.
I don't see how optimizing PBO is worth it when my chip kinda maxes out at 4200mhz anyways it needs way too much voltage to get even near 4300mhz I've managed to get one run of Cinebench at 4300 and it needed almost 1.4V for that.
Also there is the unspoken elephant in the room: Will PBO accelerate silicon degradation.
I think it 100% does.
Isn't that high core voltage worrysome, it sometimes almost hit 1,48v. On your gigsbtye guide it didn't went over 1v in bios. Asking this because I have the same thing happening on my asus motherboard and don't want to unnecessarily degrade my chip faster.
Ryzen 3000 chips often hit 1,5V+
Have you tried the low EDC bug? That maximises your cpu clock.
Philip Chan how low is it? I am interested.
@@nhozdien5058 if you Google it, it should give you more information
I've tried a bunch of "EDC bug settings" The performance varies from worse than stock with some settings to no better than the 300 230 230 I use.
The bug works... it just depends on what you're trying to achieve. Single core performance or lightly threaded workloads increase quite a bit but there is no gain to be had with heavy multi-core workload. With the EDC (1) setting I seen a 75mhz increase in clock speed on average in games. But heavy workloads show no change.
Can you please also do a video for MSI mobos? 🙏
Hi Bz : Gigabyte 1st, now Asus... Any chance you make a similar video with MSI mobo ? Thanks for running this channel by the way. I Just discovered it, and I love it !
Auto OC doesn't work with pbo enabled. If you leave pbo limits on auto and enable only auto oc then it works. It's probably a bug
Had to try The stock cooler with my New 3900 and aouros pro 570. On load 60-62celcius. Playing planetside 2 on ultra settings. Swapped to The be quiet! Dark rock pro 4. Temp dropped by 9-10c, totaly worth it. And much less noise. This was on stock cpu speed no OC.
Tried this with my 3800X on a TUF X570 Gaming. And a 280 MM AiO. There was no difference in perfornance over Auto. However with a wattmeter (built into APC) there was no wattage draw difference between the manual settings and auto, hitting between 260 and 280 watts system power while running CB R20. Could just be my CPU/MB combo isn't being power limited as much on Auto.
I have a 3950x, msi gaming x trio 2080ti and 10 case fans with only a 750w power supply gold+. Will these settings be too much for the power supply to handle? Like, will it try to pull more power when there's not enough?
3700x manual 1.32V under load all cores 1.3V 4.3Ghz all cores and FCKL 1900 RAM 3800 cl16 manual timing, and everyting is very stable, max temp TDIE is 77C under stress test
is it ok to run on that manual overclock or better leave to PBO as you mentioned and leave ram and FCLK on stock XMP profiles?
under full load i can see 1.28-1.30V and i think it is not high at all
Went from ~8800 to ~9200 cinebench on 3950x, good stuff
I have ballistix sport 2400 red and xmp sets it up on 3000 so should I stick with that or is it ok to overclock ram higher?I have a Asus b450ma with 2070 super ventus oc with a Corsair single radiator aio.
I have active cooling over the VRMs on a B450 using a 3600. It has AIO cooler, I know you said this is bad if your using lots cores lika 3950, but these settings ok for a 3600? Board is TUF b450-plus - thanks
My 3700X achieves 5100+ in Cinebench R20 with all cores at constant 4.3GHz at 1.3V. I'm using Asus Prime X570-p.
Sorry if I ask here do you think an asrock b450 pro 4 can handle a new Ryzen 3000 with more than 8 core without overclock?
I cooled the vrm with a fan right now since I'm operating a 2700x lightly overclocked.
Motherboard tray is in fact, a motherboard. Love it!
On an R5 3600 Max CPU boost clock override did give me +200 mhz on an Asus B450M which translated to a 4.4 Ghz. On my next board Gigabyte B450 AorusM, there is not a mhz adder and on the same CPU was limited to 4.2 Ghz
How can someone limit the temperature that these CPUs hit? Is there any setting in Bios or in Ryzen Master that allows you to place your own Max Temperature limit (in this case say 70 deg C, while also retaining PB2 "out of the box" functionality), at the price ofcourse of hindered performance? From a performance standpoint this may not make much sense, but from a longterm reliability and -"avoiding any possible CPU degaradation effects" - point of view this could/might be useful...(?) / These are thoughts/dilemas on whether or not PB2 on ryzen 3000 series is a little too aggressive the way AMD has it currently set up. What do you think?
I was hoping that you would go into the DIGI+ VRM settings on the asus