@@saaiesue5186 The amd 3400g has infinity fabric 1 so it doesn't need higher ram speeds and the non g cpus need higher ram speed because it got infinity fabric 2
Difficulty level: Anthony. In the event of a RAM shortage, Anthony could pull a printer cartridge out of the printer and run it as 3200 Mhz ram with a CAS latency of C16.
TL:DR, If you run 1:1 using the base clock of your RAM and matching the infinity fabric speed, (2400 RAM and 1200 IF, for example) you will get a very stable performance that will improve as you reach higher RAM speeds. If you go over/under the 1:1 ratio, then make sure to adjust your RAM timing to compensate for latency.
How do i do that, i got 5900x now,just put Corsair LPX 2400mhz(from the old system) on the correct timings and voltage but the ratio is still at 1:12. This ram will go on sale with the old parts and i will have to get new ones,thinking of 32gb of 3200mhz or 3600mhz (from what i saw there is no notable difference between them in performance) but i can't get my head on how to solve the infinity stuff or with what ram does it work.
@Gof Ai Well the samsung B-die chips are pretty awesome and easy to overclock with the right motherboard and CPU.And the warranty (999months) is pretty awesome so you can overclock it however you want.My Ripjaws V @3000Cl14 can do 46 gb/s with ease with 1-st gen ryzen and probably 50-52gb/s with the 3-rd gen
Surprisingly, prices in Serbia are relatively similar to those on AliExpress and NewEgg (I honestly thought they were much higher). For example, Kingston's HyperX Predator 2×8G at 3600MHz is around 200 € (= $220-230): itsvet.com/ram_memorija_kingston_hyperx_predator_rgb_hx436c17pb3ak2/16-pdaa1-71.i?id=3878
@@cleitonoliveira932 * recebê-lo estalado em dois da China * - droga! É bom ter costumes de limite de US $ 100. Que país? Europa Oriental, aqui temos impostos acima de US $ 11,11
Linus: "And locked Anthony in a room until he was done testing..." Me: "So, this is your way to make sure Anthony cannot give his two weeks notice after that bad table-based pun of James?"
This was a very informative video but considering low latencies and higher infinity fabric clock speeds seem to matter more, it might be better just to spend less on the RAM and buy a better CPU or GPU with that extra cash. Also I don't think the differences are that dramatic especially with a lot of the workstation benchmarks. Now this does have an advantage over Intel atleast I would assume because RAM can be further optimized for better performance.
I'm just a casual so it doesn't matter all that much to me. If I got a Ryzen 9 3900X and 16GB of only 2400MHz RAM, I would not be complaining! The guts of the processor and the amount of RAM matters way more and contributes like 90% of the overall performance, no?
@@Rick020 Yeah usually the prices are similar, but its the quality of the components that varies. You'll usually get cheap RAM, cheap CPU cooler, cheap PSU and a below average motherboard on a pre built, however you can build your own with much higher quality parts for the same price. You also have the customisation aspect of building. I recently bought myself a Cooler Master MasterCase H500 case. Absolutely incredible. The airflow for the price is top notch. Also got myself a red and black Arctic Freezer 34 eSports Duo CPU cooler which looks sweet. I love a good custom built PC.
yeah, i have team group TUF vulkan gaming 16gb 3200 cl16. and i am doubting my choice. thought i could overclock it to 3600. boy was i wrong. it does not like me changing anything. if i set it to 3400 and leave voltage and timing alone it boots and seems ok. would have to properly test stability though. and nothing else boots. or at least not without crashing 10 seconds into a test. also my cpu (3700x) on my motherboard (asus x570 gaming wifi plus) never goes over 4.25ghz. even on single core tests in cinebench.. i thought single core boost was supposed to be 4.4... im a bit annoyed.
@@wotever99ninynine as I commented, I wish people would stop getting tricked into believing that RAM overclocking or "gaming RAM" is going to impact their performance. You should get a reliable and decent RAM kit for sure, but having the best CPU/GPU combo that you can afford and as much RAM as possible is always better. I've had my own custom computer since the Athlon x2 and I've never bothered getting into RAM overclock since most of the performance gains are basically from overclocking the CPU and GPU due to impact of the internal cache has over external "slow" RAM has. You are always better off having more RAM then faster RAM in a day to day basis. If RAW speed is what you want then sure go for it, buy the ultimate overclocking kit...but just like the "insane" CPU overclock often run on one or two sticks or RAM, you'll find out that it's easier to face instability and you having to compromise on some stuff (dual vs quad channel). I'm not saying that you won't see any improvement, I'm just saying that you'll be better off having a 32GB RAM disk with 20GB of cache on your SSD and still have 12GB spare for the OS @2100-3200, compared to getting a 16GB kitt of 4200Mhz @ 6969Mhz Inifinityswags.
@@MrVaykadji ill give it a go, i trie pretty similar timings, but a bit looser and it was a no go. even up to 1.4 (or was it 1.5? volts) the ram says its rated for 1.2-1.4/.5v cant remember which right now. but thanks heaps, ill try it and post back how it goes :-)
unsurprising... but generaly - you can consider it other way around - check how far your IF goes, pick lowest timing set you can with double the speed of the IF and you are done.
@@Cooe. Some people here has already tested 1900 IF. It is NOT stable. Check him out. You can do 1900 for PCIe 3.0, but PCIe 4.0 will have some "loss signal" with 1900 IF. It's kinda like PCI overclocking a few years back. ua-cam.com/video/nugwAOvijHQ/v-deo.html
Really appreciate that you bothered to do it properly, testing varying CAS latencies at the same frequency and then testing a good amount of those combinations with varying infinity fabric clocks. Very thorough. All the other videos compare for example 3200-CAS14 with 3600-CAS16 and leave it at that, let alone changing the FCLK. That's completely useless if you want to figure out what specs are most relevant to performance and where the sweet spot is for 1% lows vs averages etc. Thank you, Anthony.
I LOVE how Gamers Nexus and Linus Tech tips get along so well. At least from what I see, they don't fight each other. They tend to work together! They may have different opinions here and there but over all, i love the jokes and the colab.
Abhay Pratap Singh Agreed. Whatever they’re paying Anthony, they should probably pay him more. He appears to be the only one there with the chops to bring LTT a high level of technical credibility. Not to say that the rest of the crew isn’t great, excepting Jake who is white supremacist trash that they should’ve dropped instead of abetting. Linus certainly has a lot of networking chops too. And everyone else has great knowledge and skills in their fields and plays their roles well in creating great content as a team. But Anthony is quite clearly the IT wizard of the shop, presumably keeping everyone else’s tools working properly. And he still manages to make excellent content himself, even if he’s not presenting it. Perhaps most of all, he fills these roles without being a totally pompous jerk, which has value in and of itself. Anthony: You should negotiate a raise. You’re valuable enough to them that I don’t think you’ll get much pushback.
@Nguyen Anh Not knowing things doesn't translate to "being stupid". I understood everything Linus was talking about, which doesn't translate to "me being super smart".
Yeah the charts are not representing what he is saying at all. You get the feeling that someone told him about the results and information got lost between the testing and this video.
Yes, he said that at the end of the video but enthusiasts don't care about how much it costs, they care about performance and Ryzen can indeed get better the faster the memory.
I know everyone always talks about amd and ram but I have intel and have been using 4600 at 4000 (what my motherboard likes) for over a year and the FPS increase is ridiculous def worth the money
This makes me feel better about leaving the ram and IF at auto settings for the and PC's I built for friends and family. I don't usually oc for other people because of the increased chance of instability and seeing the performance gains being so small an average person wouldn't notice it makes me happy.
Sometimes even the automatic settings fail. When I want to fill all four slots on my board (B350, 2200G), I have to manually underclock the RAM while each of the pairs alone runs at 3200 without problem. This might be a problem of the CPU but is nevertheless annoying.
@@tz8785 you're using a very old board and a last gen cpu which wasn't supposed to run over 2933 at the very most. This video is about ryzen 3000 series.
Just before getting rid of my last system, I overclocked it. In benchmarks, I got over a 5% boost, but in real world tests, the difference wasn't noticeable. (Switching to an SSD had a much bigger impact.)
All credit to LTT for such a comprehensive test of all the options ! Anthony did a brilliant job on the analysis, and Linus presented EVERYTHING in such a short time ! It goes without saying that we have to use the pause button if we want to read all the data... A load of useful info for anyone wanting to build a good AMD gaming rig...
Got 3600MHz/CL14 running on my 3700X/Crosshair VI Hero combo without any problems via the Ryzen DRAM Calculator. That's using four 8GB sticks too. Seems like the sweet spot for Zen 2.
Brad Haines no it’s the CPU, more sticks strains the memory controller, which is on the CPU, not the board... For instance, good luck getting his speeds to work on Intel 8700k or 7700k, their memory controllers kind of top out around 4000-4200 for really good memory controller binning on those CPUs and with 4 sticks that’s going to put too much load to run above 3600 (so they probably won’t run that tight of timings). The board is just traces at this point (preferably you use 2 slot only boards for best overclocking thanks to more optimized EMI layout due to its simple nature and shorter trace runs, it’s just easier with half the wiring)
@@KingLo no lol, 99% of chips can do 1866, some have a hole at 1900, and a good amount can do 1933. your better off just buying a good kit of b die or rev e and ocing, gives great performance.
some constructive criticism to the editor, the music in this video was a little too loud/distracting, I had to check my pc to see if I was accidentally listening to Spotify. Specifically after 3:20 it was too loud
After reading up on a lot of DRAM frequencies and overclocking info and all, I came back and rewatched this video and it now makes more more sense. lol Just needs to be summed up better and in easier ways to understand. Good video afterall.
or 3, or EE or o2, lmao all of them offer better deals than Ting, what crack is he smoking. fuck 3 even have an unlimited everything plan (no throttling + tethering) that will soon include 5G for just £20/mo
@@xmxlyyy check their coverage checker, I get about 120/35Mb/s in town, but that drops down to about 70/20Mb/s out in my small village, still faster and cheaper than a fixed line though
a hardware unboxed video helped me lower my timings a couple of weeks ago (at same, rated, memory speed) and get some pretty reasonable improvements for mid-shelf memory!
Hm, the charts are not representing what he is saying at all. You get the feeling that someone told him about the results and information got lost between the testing and this video.
@@OAcessoPublico thing is when your ram affects FPS in games by 3-5 more this means its even faster while running other types of programms that are memory heavy, say 3Dfx/3D modeling aps and/or movie editing, etc.
I am literally selling my laptop and purchasing a ryzen 3rd gen over the next few months so this is really really helpful! thank you so much Linus for this and all your other videos
People confuse the memory clock frequency with memory speed, memory speed depends as much on timings as it does on clock frequency. I know Linus' market is very different from Buildzoid's, but he covered this a week ago with a hundredth the resources.
Its not really the best choice... unless it has GOOD timings. There is a G Skill kit that is DDR 3600 w/15/15/15/35 that SHOULD be a decent bit faster than the DDR 3200 w/14/14/14/34. BUT your 3600's running at CL16 and higher are not faster and possibly slower than the 3200's at CL 14. The MHZ isn't enough to overcome the timings.
@@DoctorWho14615 yes yes I can understand that what I want know is the performance each ram speed test but in these video almost graph Linus show just showing 3600, 2133 (which I don't think it's in stock speed coz I so bored with Linus saying stuff), 2666 and 3800 which in reality the price and to get that kind ram is hard (if not thanks to this video for pump the price and deplete the stock), just give me graph for each ram from 2133 up to 3800 then give some little bit explain of the performance it's give then I judge it myself when I try research compenent what I need, the stock my local shop have and my budget.
@@DoctorWho14615 I've visited Oman. I can confirm. They are the nicest people. Complete opposite personalities of their neighbors UAE, Yemen and Saudi Arabia. Very humble people and live in a beautiful part of the region full of springs, mountains, flat lands and desert. Its basically Colorado of the middle east.
I got some cheapo 3600MHz for my... 3600, and just tightened the timings to within an inch of their lives. Went from 18-22-22-42 to 16-19-16-36. Very happy - didn't even have to up the DRAM or SoC voltage.
Linus would love to see this with the Ryzen APU cores. For starting off budget gaming 1080p. Would be curious if it is good for 3400g/3200g to see the affect it has on the graphics
I'm running on a 4750G and previously had 2400 MHz CL15 which I later upgraded to a 3600 MHz CL16. It made about 10 FPS difference on this game I play (Satisfactory)
If this is the new pc master race world then sign me up, the only problem? Im STILL waiting for aus to get their next shipment of amd cpus, huge shipment delays with no explanation
I went with the cheapest 3200 memory I could find, which ended up being Corsair Vengeance LPX Black CL16 3200, works like a charm :) OTOH, it was not very expensive so I ended up getting another 2x8GB kit, ending up at 32GB :)
@@dukeofworcestershire7042 I bought two 8 GB sticks of Teamgroup 3000 MHz DDR4 RAM for my Ryzen 5 3600 and it's been working nicely so far. It seems like I've heard (correct me if I'm wrong) that blazing fast RAM doesn't do you much good if you're GPU-limited. In my case, my GTX 1660 isn't exactly the most powerful graphics card on the market. So I think 3000 MHz RAM is fine for me.
uff thanks linus, this video helps me so much, gonna get tridenz Z neo right now with c16 3600mhz and only gonna change the timings and infinity fabric clock.
OMG, I just learned something in this video... And: "locked anthony in a room until he is done finishing testing them" I JUST ROLLED OVER LAUGHING ON THAT ONE! LULZ
I would recommend peoples to take this with a grain of salt... I am a system administrator (Windows Server Linux etc) and I've talked with some AMD engineer too via email and they told me you don't notice the difference in real life between 3200 and 3600mhz.. If you don't live in the USA (currency exhange rate) and there is a big price difference between a good kit of ram at 3200mhz and the same one at 3600mhz take the 3200mhz one... save the money buy a better Cpu/Motherboard/Gpu or a M2 etc etc and forget this story about Ram because the reviewers read that from the original AMD paper and start spreading that story everywhere etc the 1:1 ratio is respected @ 3200mhz Ram is Ram it's so good theses days and so fast it doesn't matters at all for 99.99% of the users out there
"OH MY GOD, I'M SO BORED. WHEN WILL THIS END?" is the name of my GamersNexus cover band.
hey
Attack!
Can't wait to listen to the album
Just giving you some promotion dude. I really liked the concept art I saw for your new album cover: a half-dried wall of paint.
Hi Mum I was here
**waiting for DDR4 to re-appear in stock on Newegg** WHERE DID IT GO
Linus: 0:15 "Behind me are 22 kits of DDR4"
*11 kits of DDR4
@@lich_king_ethan he counted the rams
@@juparkjr1285 while he literally said KITS in the quote
@@jerry1460 oh...
I finally found you from the forums!
2019 Linus: "Upto a whopping 3200MHz"
2020 Linus: "It's only 5100MHz, ugh its fine"
poor linus
rich linus
middle-class linus
working class linus
Linus Linus
Everyone: So what ram should I use with this ryzen?
Linus: Yes.
basically whatever your CPU says. For example AMD's site I got a Ryzen 7 3700x and it says 3200, so I'mma go with that
Thank you Linus, very cool!
@@kyriakos098 Funny, AMD tells me the 3200G needs 2933Mhz... But this video says everything under 3200 will hurt it...
@@saaiesue5186 The amd 3400g has infinity fabric 1 so it doesn't need higher ram speeds and the non g cpus need higher ram speed because it got infinity fabric 2
toaster man to elaborate for us Neanderthals, 3200g/3400g are based on zen+ (last gen) and next years APU will be on zen 2.
I came here confused, now im even more confused :|
@Tadas Nanartonis i read the tl;dw on the description. Thanks a lot!
In short: with 3rd gen, memory doesn't that important and latency(that 16-18-18-36 thing) more important than frequency(MHz)
@Tadas Nanartonis Thank you!
You should check out buildzoids videos about ram frequencies, it's more clear and a lot less yelling
Just check the motherboards QVL for RAM compatibility and pick the speed you want.
"locked Anthony in a room until he was finished"
I died here
So did Anthony.
@@sky_004 F
Lol my name is Anthony '-' hahaaa .
Anthony is life.
Yeah Dude this part cracked me up too
We are going to have another ram shortage thanks to linus ..!!!
It's ok, he's invested
The Dominator Platinum RGB full be plenty available if you have the money.
Yyyyep..!
still cannot find 3900X anywhere in Europe
@@allansh828 check customs
Difficulty level: Anthony.
In the event of a RAM shortage, Anthony could pull a printer cartridge out of the printer and run it as 3200 Mhz ram with a CAS latency of C16.
I flipped xD
C16? More C1
To be fair, the printer cartridge sounds more expensive :D
@@auvski5903 That's funny. They are really expensive.
Trash
TL:DR,
If you run 1:1 using the base clock of your RAM and matching the infinity fabric speed, (2400 RAM and 1200 IF, for example) you will get a very stable performance that will improve as you reach higher RAM speeds. If you go over/under the 1:1 ratio, then make sure to adjust your RAM timing to compensate for latency.
How do i do that, i got 5900x now,just put Corsair LPX 2400mhz(from the old system) on the correct timings and voltage but the ratio is still at 1:12. This ram will go on sale with the old parts and i will have to get new ones,thinking of 32gb of 3200mhz or 3600mhz (from what i saw there is no notable difference between them in performance) but i can't get my head on how to solve the infinity stuff or with what ram does it work.
TL;DW (too long; didnt watch) as its a video
Me: just finished building my PC with Ryzen CPU and 16gb 2666mhz RAM
Linus: lemme ruin this man's day
2666 mhz ram is just as good, just 1-2 fps less. The difference is negligible.
Same here, got 2666mhz cl19 memory and here is linus making me think it was the worst purchase ever ;D
Lmao just overclock your ram
I feel poor now with my 2200G and 2x4GB 2400mhz RAM
**rips 2133mhz ram out of system**
Psssh who does that XD... ha...
Customer:I want Samsung B-die single rank 3600mhz C15 ram
Seller: You want what?
Seller: We sell food here, Sir.
=Turns out OP was at a Burger King=
@Gof Ai Well the samsung B-die chips are pretty awesome and easy to overclock with the right motherboard and CPU.And the warranty (999months) is pretty awesome so you can overclock it however you want.My Ripjaws V @3000Cl14 can do 46 gb/s with ease with 1-st gen ryzen and probably 50-52gb/s with the 3-rd gen
@Gof Ai Funny. In my country, the 3600 cl14 kit is €60 more expensive than the 3800 cl14 kit.
@@ThePerfectOwnage people are buying 3600 because of videos like this making them costs more due to demand.
3200с14 на Самсунгах g.skill спокойно у меня брали в разгоне 3600mhz c14) на b450 чипсет
Так что любые Самсунг b die подойдут
0:21 “DDR4”
Subtitles: “DDR3”
Thanks, watching without sound right now.
Thank you! because im deaf lol i was like huh? wtf..
That really was a bruh moment right there... Had to check the video upload date to confirm if I read it right.
@@joelpassanha8996 anyways here's my DDR2 ram recommendation for zen2 cpus: [....]
Same
>Looks at the Brazilian market prices for 3600Mhz ram
>Mental breakdown
AliExpress. Não precisa agradecer. Não é taxado. :)
Surprisingly, prices in Serbia are relatively similar to those on AliExpress and NewEgg (I honestly thought they were much higher). For example, Kingston's HyperX Predator 2×8G at 3600MHz is around 200 € (= $220-230): itsvet.com/ram_memorija_kingston_hyperx_predator_rgb_hx436c17pb3ak2/16-pdaa1-71.i?id=3878
@@cleitonoliveira932 Como assim não é taxado? Não passa na alfandega?
@@rodrigoalister9593 Não chega a $100. Cada memória custa no máximo $40.
@@cleitonoliveira932 * recebê-lo estalado em dois da China * - droga!
É bom ter costumes de limite de US $ 100. Que país?
Europa Oriental, aqui temos impostos acima de US $ 11,11
Linus: "And locked Anthony in a room until he was done testing..."
Me: "So, this is your way to make sure Anthony cannot give his two weeks notice after that bad table-based pun of James?"
it rubs the ram on the slot or it gets the hose again
It wasn't pun, James hit him in the face with notes card 😢
@@igoresque Are you saying that James verbally assaulted Anthony? HR definitely needs to hear about this hostile work environment.
@@jackielinde7568 i.imgur.com/k5syLfZ.png 😟
Lol
This was a very informative video but considering low latencies and higher infinity fabric clock speeds seem to matter more, it might be better just to spend less on the RAM and buy a better CPU or GPU with that extra cash. Also I don't think the differences are that dramatic especially with a lot of the workstation benchmarks. Now this does have an advantage over Intel atleast I would assume because RAM can be further optimized for better performance.
I'm just a casual so it doesn't matter all that much to me. If I got a Ryzen 9 3900X and 16GB of only 2400MHz RAM, I would not be complaining! The guts of the processor and the amount of RAM matters way more and contributes like 90% of the overall performance, no?
Ll0
@@pwnage44 You’d still be missing some frames compared to running 3200mhz
@@ludvigbjorck7133 Yeah but the main factors that determine performance rest on the GPU and CPU.
@@pwnage44 1 year later I hope that's 32 or 64 gb 😄 🤣
Me: Literally bought a new PC with an AMD CPU this morning...
Linus: wait a second...
That's why ya build one urself
@@xmxlyyy I did though, it's way cheaper... A pre-build PC they ask €1000 for, you can build yourself for €800.
Rick 'RlCK' not always cheaper
Titoepf X almost everytime but they use bad RAM MOBO and PSU
@@Rick020 Yeah usually the prices are similar, but its the quality of the components that varies. You'll usually get cheap RAM, cheap CPU cooler, cheap PSU and a below average motherboard on a pre built, however you can build your own with much higher quality parts for the same price. You also have the customisation aspect of building. I recently bought myself a Cooler Master MasterCase H500 case. Absolutely incredible. The airflow for the price is top notch. Also got myself a red and black Arctic Freezer 34 eSports Duo CPU cooler which looks sweet. I love a good custom built PC.
I've collected all the infinity fabrics. With one snap, half the macbook butterfly keyboards in the universe will break.
**snap**
My brother came back from the Blip and he's one of the only IBM buckling spring mech boards in my city! What the fuck!
Jokes on you, they were already broken.
did you do it?
yes
what did it cost?
all the ram
Infinity Fabric sure sounds like it would make the Infinity Gauntlet very comfortable
0:22 The moment you thought its was a giveaway...
I understood 5% of what Linus said
Time to hit the discord LTT for the 95%
95% of the people: *voice concern*
I didn't know that existed
exactly lmao
Do I look like I know what a latency is?
What is the name of discord..???
Long story short best combo is Zen 2 with 3600mhz CL14 ram.
@@BrawndoQC you're probably set for Ryzen 4000 though. ;)
I just bought 3600 but cl18 :(
Can you tldr some of this for me? A lot of this was to jargon-ey for me
@@Walhor CL18 is bad well it can be worse I'm using 3000mhz CL16 on my Ryzen 5 2600.
If you want to spend $100 more on RAM, sure. Is that worth the performance gain over 3200 cl16?
“Memory usually isn’t as sexy as GPUs”
*trident z has entered the chat*
Gaudy not sexy
Trident Z Royal*
@@ophatjb Yes sir.
imo trident z neo doesn't actually look so good i prefer corsair ram or hyper x
Crucial Ballistix in all white, no RGB.
Yes I said it, no RGB.
One does not simply mention Anthony without his VOICE in the video 👿
U mad bro?😂
@@dhruvjat8150 U GEI BRO?
Brian Homeyer At least nobody mentions his body fat.
@@user-qv5lr1sy9o Germans be like....
7:50 Conclusion for most of us value oriented builders and users.
PRAISE THE Lord
thank you.
The video should have been 3 minutes long...
@@yatoakito2037 In their defense they didn't prolong it just for the 10 mins required for double ad
God bless u
He got paid by Intel to confuse us to not buy new ryzen cpu ....
Lmao
i feel this hahahahahha
underated asf 😅
Well,if it could be true lol
Linus: Makes a RAM video
RAM shortage: *ALLOW ME TO INTRODUCE MYSELF*
The cheap qucikest gettable ram, yes maybe. The expensive ones not so. No 16 year old has 1000 dollar to spend on just ram.
don't you dare jinx it
@@CheesyMcBeard One of the best modules is 100$ for an 8GB stick.
@@Aggnog With or without tax? B-die or Hynix?
M M I’m 13 and have 128gb of ram at $1400 so think again
I was confident with my PC build and now you are making me doubt of my RAM... thanks Linus.
What's your cpu/ram?
yeah, i have team group TUF vulkan gaming 16gb 3200 cl16. and i am doubting my choice. thought i could overclock it to 3600. boy was i wrong. it does not like me changing anything. if i set it to 3400 and leave voltage and timing alone it boots and seems ok. would have to properly test stability though. and nothing else boots. or at least not without crashing 10 seconds into a test. also my cpu (3700x) on my motherboard (asus x570 gaming wifi plus) never goes over 4.25ghz. even on single core tests in cinebench.. i thought single core boost was supposed to be 4.4... im a bit annoyed.
@@wotever99ninynine You might want to try 3600Mhz 18-20-20-20-42 @ 1.37v
@@wotever99ninynine as I commented, I wish people would stop getting tricked into believing that RAM overclocking or "gaming RAM" is going to impact their performance. You should get a reliable and decent RAM kit for sure, but having the best CPU/GPU combo that you can afford and as much RAM as possible is always better.
I've had my own custom computer since the Athlon x2 and I've never bothered getting into RAM overclock since most of the performance gains are basically from overclocking the CPU and GPU due to impact of the internal cache has over external "slow" RAM has.
You are always better off having more RAM then faster RAM in a day to day basis.
If RAW speed is what you want then sure go for it, buy the ultimate overclocking kit...but just like the "insane" CPU overclock often run on one or two sticks or RAM, you'll find out that it's easier to face instability and you having to compromise on some stuff (dual vs quad channel).
I'm not saying that you won't see any improvement, I'm just saying that you'll be better off having a 32GB RAM disk with 20GB of cache on your SSD and still have 12GB spare for the OS @2100-3200, compared to getting a 16GB kitt of 4200Mhz @ 6969Mhz Inifinityswags.
@@MrVaykadji ill give it a go, i trie pretty similar timings, but a bit looser and it was a no go. even up to 1.4 (or was it 1.5? volts) the ram says its rated for 1.2-1.4/.5v cant remember which right now.
but thanks heaps, ill try it and post back how it goes :-)
0:17 this must be enough for chrome
no u still need triple that, unfortunately
*n o*
Chrome: Pathetic.
Sooo.... the best scenario is highest MHz, lowest latency, and highest IF clock
unsurprising... but generaly - you can consider it other way around - check how far your IF goes, pick lowest timing set you can with double the speed of the IF and you are done.
@@Paerigos not exactly. A 3000 with tight timing kit can put a 4000 with stock timing to shame. Check HUB channel. He tried all those combinations.
@@prdx8543 what's the exact name of the channel?
@@Cooe. Some people here has already tested 1900 IF. It is NOT stable. Check him out. You can do 1900 for PCIe 3.0, but PCIe 4.0 will have some "loss signal" with 1900 IF. It's kinda like PCI overclocking a few years back.
ua-cam.com/video/nugwAOvijHQ/v-deo.html
@@galinakokalova3019 ua-cam.com/video/iH3qq_mSxTM/v-deo.html
I'll just download RAM off the internet.
I think there may also be shortage :(
@@ybr8192 lol
I just upload my ram to you
Also found a site where i can download faster internet :steamhappy:
when will ever be cloud ram?
Can you revisit this with the 5000 series.
"OH MY GOD, I'M SO BORED. WHEN WILL THIS END?" Didn't Yvonne say this during the Roast about Linus?
Nope just during sex, Bazinga!
I didn't get the impression that lasting too long was the issue.
LTT: Hey AMD, we've got an idea for your ads, do you want g.skill to pay for it?
AMD: YES...
should definitely explain how to read that graph
Really appreciate that you bothered to do it properly, testing varying CAS latencies at the same frequency and then testing a good amount of those combinations with varying infinity fabric clocks. Very thorough.
All the other videos compare for example 3200-CAS14 with 3600-CAS16 and leave it at that, let alone changing the FCLK. That's completely useless if you want to figure out what specs are most relevant to performance and where the sweet spot is for 1% lows vs averages etc. Thank you, Anthony.
What difference does it make when the human eye can't see more than 2 gigs of ram per eye per game.
ur a dummy its cant see more than 4.20 gigs per eyeball per game.
grow more eyes.
every console peasant ever
where can i download more ram
@@7Frosty7 at deditatedwam . com
I LOVE how Gamers Nexus and Linus Tech tips get along so well. At least from what I see, they don't fight each other. They tend to work together! They may have different opinions here and there but over all, i love the jokes and the colab.
Man, Anthony you just made the best zen2 memory video.
Abhay Pratap Singh Agreed. Whatever they’re paying Anthony, they should probably pay him more. He appears to be the only one there with the chops to bring LTT a high level of technical credibility. Not to say that the rest of the crew isn’t great, excepting Jake who is white supremacist trash that they should’ve dropped instead of abetting. Linus certainly has a lot of networking chops too. And everyone else has great knowledge and skills in their fields and plays their roles well in creating great content as a team. But Anthony is quite clearly the IT wizard of the shop, presumably keeping everyone else’s tools working properly. And he still manages to make excellent content himself, even if he’s not presenting it. Perhaps most of all, he fills these roles without being a totally pompous jerk, which has value in and of itself.
Anthony: You should negotiate a raise. You’re valuable enough to them that I don’t think you’ll get much pushback.
@@fosterlewis7360 Why is he white supremacist ?
Me, watching this immediately after buying an AMD CPU: •__•
😂😂 Same here. Hopefully didn't get ram that was too underpowered
I got 3200mhz haven't watched yet yikes
I got a F4-3200C16D-32GVK kit for 188$, and that's with 23% VAT that we have here in Poland. It should be perfect for my 3700X.
@@sulphurous2656 $188 for a 32gb kit
Well we pay $160 for 16gb kit 3000mhz
**cries in indian prices*
#wrekt
0:32
"Whats going in and out of your PC when you're connected to the internet?"
*video buffers*
Well apparently nothing...
Couldn't understand most of it. :( While showing the charts, could you please point at the sections you're referring to?
yeah, same i have no idea what i just watched tbh
Big issue was the annoying background music.
@Nguyen Anh Not knowing things doesn't translate to "being stupid". I understood everything Linus was talking about, which doesn't translate to "me being super smart".
@Nguyen Anh Dunning Kruger guy?
Yeah the charts are not representing what he is saying at all. You get the feeling that someone told him about the results and information got lost between the testing and this video.
Can you do a video on RAM overclock and tightening the memory timings ?
This video was uploaded a week ago
UA-cam: Well i guess i should notify him now.
Now It's been 9 months+ for me
Prateek Panwar make that more than 10
Really, the faster ram is just not worth the buck. The gain in performance is a joke compared to what you have to pay for the faster ram.
2666mhz is the best price for performance
3200,mhz ram is literally 10 CAD more on average.
Yes, he said that at the end of the video but enthusiasts don't care about how much it costs, they care about performance and Ryzen can indeed get better the faster the memory.
I know everyone always talks about amd and ram but I have intel and have been using 4600 at 4000 (what my motherboard likes) for over a year and the FPS increase is ridiculous def worth the money
i agree with you .i buy 2x16Gb 3200Mhz for 232$ ,ram 3600Mhz is more expensive by 50%
This makes me feel better about leaving the ram and IF at auto settings for the and PC's I built for friends and family. I don't usually oc for other people because of the increased chance of instability and seeing the performance gains being so small an average person wouldn't notice it makes me happy.
Sometimes even the automatic settings fail. When I want to fill all four slots on my board (B350, 2200G), I have to manually underclock the RAM while each of the pairs alone runs at 3200 without problem. This might be a problem of the CPU but is nevertheless annoying.
@@tz8785 you're using a very old board and a last gen cpu which wasn't supposed to run over 2933 at the very most. This video is about ryzen 3000 series.
Just before getting rid of my last system, I overclocked it. In benchmarks, I got over a 5% boost, but in real world tests, the difference wasn't noticeable. (Switching to an SSD had a much bigger impact.)
@o k that's called an overclock. You learned something new today congratulations.
At least use XMP / DOCP settings
All credit to LTT for such a comprehensive test of all the options ! Anthony did a brilliant job on the analysis, and Linus presented EVERYTHING in such a short time ! It goes without saying that we have to use the pause button if we want to read all the data... A load of useful info for anyone wanting to build a good AMD gaming rig...
Got 3600MHz/CL14 running on my 3700X/Crosshair VI Hero combo without any problems via the Ryzen DRAM Calculator. That's using four 8GB sticks too. Seems like the sweet spot for Zen 2.
Brad Haines no it’s the CPU, more sticks strains the memory controller, which is on the CPU, not the board...
For instance, good luck getting his speeds to work on Intel 8700k or 7700k, their memory controllers kind of top out around 4000-4200 for really good memory controller binning on those CPUs and with 4 sticks that’s going to put too much load to run above 3600 (so they probably won’t run that tight of timings).
The board is just traces at this point (preferably you use 2 slot only boards for best overclocking thanks to more optimized EMI layout due to its simple nature and shorter trace runs, it’s just easier with half the wiring)
Crosshair VI Hero has T-Topology memory layout, so it doesn't really matter whether you have 2x or 4x 8GiB sticks.
Agree T topology mobo is good for 4 dimms.
4:00 "...locked Anthony in a room until he was finish testing them." :D
How about making an updated version of this video? Alot has changed in this year.
not really 3600mhz remains the default gtg for infinity fabric on the 5000 series.
@@KingLo no lol, 99% of chips can do 1866, some have a hole at 1900, and a good amount can do 1933. your better off just buying a good kit of b die or rev e and ocing, gives great performance.
some constructive criticism to the editor, the music in this video was a little too loud/distracting, I had to check my pc to see if I was accidentally listening to Spotify. Specifically after 3:20 it was too loud
Literally bought my new CPU yesterday!(3600)
Mark Fitz PCMR AMD sucks. Disgrace to PCMR
ChloeWade right... Besides performance of course.
@@Khloya69 stfu shintel butthurt fan
@@Khloya69 bruh amd is tied with intel right now with their new 3rd gen and if not better. Do your research stupid
Derby Mods AMD performance sucks lol
Learned a fair about the new AMD processors, most likely will be my next one. Thank you for the video!
And Linus wonders why RAM prices are higher. LMG was the cause of the ram shortage.
i know right, i made sure to buy my ram after this video because of the effect he has on the market
After reading up on a lot of DRAM frequencies and overclocking info and all, I came back and rewatched this video and it now makes more more sense. lol Just needs to be summed up better and in easier ways to understand. Good video afterall.
Oh look, it's the same Ting recording we see everywhere...
You should make a PC themed p0rn called ''Hot Motherboards Get RAMmed''.
Wtf
😂😂😊
Yes the writers need some fun
hot college girl gets thermal paste on glasses
You should cut out video clips of them inserting ram into motherboards then put them all together and upload to pornhub with that title
Very interesting and useful testing!
The british guy that called in for the ting advert clearly has never heard of the service GiffGaff....
GiffGaff is pretty good.
or 3, or EE or o2, lmao all of them offer better deals than Ting, what crack is he smoking. fuck 3 even have an unlimited everything plan (no throttling + tethering) that will soon include 5G for just £20/mo
@@MultiPokemon19 How's the coverage on 3 Mobile? I've heard its pretty shit but I've also heard good things about it.
@@xmxlyyy check their coverage checker, I get about 120/35Mb/s in town, but that drops down to about 70/20Mb/s out in my small village, still faster and cheaper than a fixed line though
@@MultiPokemon19 In my country we pay about 12€ for unlimited everything plan
finally a video that's both interesting and useful to me, specifically.
now to actually get the money saved to buy a 3900x system
4:00
"Linus, could I go to the toilet, please? Oh, and I'm hungry."
"NO! Finish testing first!"
"Okay, Linus."
Well I got a used 32GB 2400MHz CL14 kit quite cheap, so I guess I'll do some IF overclocking 😁
Anthony must be hating AMD stuff by now! 😂🤦♂️
a hardware unboxed video helped me lower my timings a couple of weeks ago (at same, rated, memory speed) and get some pretty reasonable improvements for mid-shelf memory!
4:00 I just hope Anthony was locked with enough food and water!
3600 cl14 - a golden sweet spot
Thank you for a great video!
Right up until you play with an old server motherboard and find out it'll share all 8 memory channels across both processors (Intel).
Nice comparison, guys! Bigup!
Would love for an updated 2020 Zen3 list!
Great content, loved it! This feels like a return to form for LTT. I'd love to see more in depth analysis like this.
This was so
helpful! Thank you!
According to Captions, you are using DDR3.
Single channel DDR2 533MHz 2GB at the moment
Hm, the charts are not representing what he is saying at all. You get the feeling that someone told him about the results and information got lost between the testing and this video.
AMAZING PERFORMANCE INCREASE!
3 fps increase
@@OAcessoPublico thing is when your ram affects FPS in games by 3-5 more this means its even faster while running other types of programms that are memory heavy, say 3Dfx/3D modeling aps and/or movie editing, etc.
Great video man!
You got to love Anthony. He's like their knowledge center and tester.
This just makes memory overclocking more appealing so we weren’t have a memory shortage.
Unless everyone BREAKS their ram kits trying this
You help me too much with your reviews. Thanks for the HARD WORK!! LOVE U MAN ! :D
*thanks.* ill probably get a ryzen+navi system soon and this is really helpful.
00:23 Literary speaking "DDR4" in video but written "DDR3" in subtitles..
thats meme
Thank you so much for the video! It helped me a lot
I am literally selling my laptop and purchasing a ryzen 3rd gen over the next few months so this is really really helpful! thank you so much Linus for this and all your other videos
Overwatch is a test you should've taken, it very much relies on RAM speed
Isn't 300 FPS very easy to get to in Overwatch (if you drop some graphics settings) ?
@@Winnetou17 yes but ram speeds affect performance more than usually so it doesnt matter even if you get 500fps. Its a benchmark
Brick Rigs
People confuse the memory clock frequency with memory speed, memory speed depends as much on timings as it does on clock frequency. I know Linus' market is very different from Buildzoid's, but he covered this a week ago with a hundredth the resources.
I use G.Skill Flare X DDR4 CL14 3200Mhz with my Gen1 AMD Ryzen 1800X. It's been fast and reliable.
"Lock Anthony in the room, until he was finish testing them" - Linus
Poor Anthony :(
Love Anthony
I LOVE YOU GUYS..... You have no idea how much you've helped me build my new rig.
got a ryzen 5 2600. clocked it at 4GHz and I love the thing!
"OH MY GOD, I'M SO BORED. WHEN WILL THIS END" so much technical information while keep saying 3600 is the best choice.
Fk I realised I can't listen to Linus anymore
Its not really the best choice... unless it has GOOD timings. There is a G Skill kit that is DDR 3600 w/15/15/15/35 that SHOULD be a decent bit faster than the DDR 3200 w/14/14/14/34. BUT your 3600's running at CL16 and higher are not faster and possibly slower than the 3200's at CL 14. The MHZ isn't enough to overcome the timings.
@@DoctorWho14615 yes yes I can understand that what I want know is the performance each ram speed test but in these video almost graph Linus show just showing 3600, 2133 (which I don't think it's in stock speed coz I so bored with Linus saying stuff), 2666 and 3800 which in reality the price and to get that kind ram is hard (if not thanks to this video for pump the price and deplete the stock), just give me graph for each ram from 2133 up to 3800 then give some little bit explain of the performance it's give then I judge it myself when I try research compenent what I need, the stock my local shop have and my budget.
@@DoctorWho14615 I've visited Oman. I can confirm. They are the nicest people. Complete opposite personalities of their neighbors UAE, Yemen and Saudi Arabia. Very humble people and live in a beautiful part of the region full of springs, mountains, flat lands and desert. Its basically Colorado of the middle east.
@@stevethea5250 ahm the fk do u mean lol ? Did you go to ryiadh or where in saudi ? Cuz some parts even we saudis hate going to them ..
1:35 ...when I literally just came from that video LOL. Thanks for simplifying it for us
I literally finished building my pc yesterday Linus wtf
@@MrHesdan everything
My sanity
And there's me still using DDR3...
Me too :'(
Same
Ddr3 still good lol
@@billlam7756 you cant buy really fast ddr3 memory
Same lol 8gb 2133mhz
I got some cheapo 3600MHz for my... 3600, and just tightened the timings to within an inch of their lives.
Went from 18-22-22-42 to 16-19-16-36. Very happy - didn't even have to up the DRAM or SoC voltage.
Can’t afford a single ram stick while Linus does a thumbnail with 8 ram sticks 😂😂😂
Buy from AliExpress. There's no pirate ram (yet). They cost less than half the price there.
I'm sorry Linus but I still think that some RGB ram is sexier than CPUs
Linus would love to see this with the Ryzen APU cores. For starting off budget gaming 1080p. Would be curious if it is good for 3400g/3200g to see the affect it has on the graphics
I'm running on a 4750G and previously had 2400 MHz CL15 which I later upgraded to a 3600 MHz CL16. It made about 10 FPS difference on this game I play (Satisfactory)
The only consideration you need to make before buying RAM is whether or not it has RGB
Yes agree!
If this is the new pc master race world then sign me up, the only problem? Im STILL waiting for aus to get their next shipment of amd cpus, huge shipment delays with no explanation
@@Vihara2 Agreed, my rgb boosts the performance by 21% and if i need more capacity i can just download it
I went with the cheapest 3200 memory I could find, which ended up being Corsair Vengeance LPX Black CL16 3200, works like a charm :) OTOH, it was not very expensive so I ended up getting another 2x8GB kit, ending up at 32GB :)
Good stuff as always Linus. Thank you for the video.
I literally just ordered my ryzen cpu and this video comes out....
Very much same. I got myself some 3200 16-18-18-36 RAM, I really hope that's good enough so my R5 3600 is still happy!
@@dukeofworcestershire7042 Can we get an update on that when you can?
@@dukeofworcestershire7042 I bought two 8 GB sticks of Teamgroup 3000 MHz DDR4 RAM for my Ryzen 5 3600 and it's been working nicely so far. It seems like I've heard (correct me if I'm wrong) that blazing fast RAM doesn't do you much good if you're GPU-limited. In my case, my GTX 1660 isn't exactly the most powerful graphics card on the market. So I think 3000 MHz RAM is fine for me.
Wait I got a Ryzen 5 3600 with a tridentz neo 3600mpz I don’t know it’d it’s good or bad
@@gqld1001 The Ryzen 5 3600 loves fast RAM, so the RAM you got should be perfect for it.
Linus: Dramatically improve your experience
Graphs: 2 or 3 FPS more/less.
uff thanks linus, this video helps me so much, gonna get tridenz Z neo right now with c16 3600mhz and only gonna change the timings and infinity fabric clock.
OMG, I just learned something in this video... And:
"locked anthony in a room until he is done finishing testing them" I JUST ROLLED OVER LAUGHING ON THAT ONE! LULZ
I would recommend peoples to take this with a grain of salt... I am a system administrator (Windows Server Linux etc) and I've talked with some AMD engineer too via email and they told me you don't notice the difference in real life between 3200 and 3600mhz..
If you don't live in the USA (currency exhange rate) and there is a big price difference between a good kit of ram at 3200mhz and the same one at 3600mhz take the 3200mhz one... save the money buy a better Cpu/Motherboard/Gpu or a M2 etc etc and forget this story about Ram because the reviewers read that from the original AMD paper and start spreading that story everywhere etc the 1:1 ratio is respected @ 3200mhz
Ram is Ram it's so good theses days and so fast it doesn't matters at all for 99.99% of the users out there