He wanted to play the villain role so hard but he walked a fine line between being a villain and being annoying and a dick. Aches played that role well where he would get under your skin but you knew it was all for show, he still does it
yea nah the coL dynasty was not on the Optic Dynasty's level. They were dominant but the green wall at its height was genuinely making teams wish they forfeited instead of being humiliated in front of the crowd@@Dr.Magical
We meed a "where are they now" with all rhe legend cod teams. FeaR, Complexity, nV, Faze, og Optic with big timer and nade, clayster, proody, mirx, nameless. The impact phizz had on snd back in the day. Just straight cod nostalgia
Madcat gotta be the most underrated player in and out of the game, man. The amount of hilarious moments he has on stage and listen ins, etc. is forgotten sometimes and he was very solid on the sticks too. That WW2 Splyce team was great to watch with him, Bance, Jurd, and Tommey.
@@raven.r6721 He won in bo3, iw (and was the best player in the first half of IW), won in ww2, and bo4. He squeezed out more wins than most during those times. He was much better in ww2 and bo4 than formal was as well 🤷♂️
Man I have some core memories of watching Phiz and Killa play SnD wagers during ghosts. Shit was hilarious, they would constantly argue about how to play the game but you could tell they both respected each other.
Scump rocking the Good Good merch is elite. Need a golf video of the optic content creators. It would be comedy for sure. Keep up the great work fellas!
I'll be honest with y'all. I started watching and paying attention to Pro COD around IW. so a lot of these guys I didn't know. It was really cool to hear yall talk about them and learn about em.
i think people forget how good Nagafen was, that man changed metas back in BO4. people were banning a pistol against him and a burst sniper, no one else had that power. it’s sad that they placed him low, but i think he should’ve been higher since they said it was based on how annoying the players were
pretty sick watching this and realizing i grew up scrimming against some of those s tier guys i do think rambo put so many players on the map that hes gotta be on the mount rushmore. great video though. also killa was a legendary sub in those early games. brought the energy but seems like he wasnt the best dude outside of the game
Literally got to play with zer0 in a pubs match such a nice man , had a couple games with me and we 1v1d he beat me obviously but he added me as a friend crazy good player lots of respect for him
11 months late but my only criticism of the list is Apathy should be up there with Jkap and Aches in S tier. He won champs with both of them on 2 separate teams and was in 3 consecutive Grand finals in a row winning 2 of them.
I noticed they were a little more respectful this time around lol.. last time they just clowned sloss but this time they gave him his flowers.. same with nade
Zoomaa if he didn't get injured would've been S tier forsure. Could you imagine Zoomaa and Hydra in the same team together? Just give them two ARs that aren't gonna shit the bed every match and they would run shit.
Apathy belongs in S tier. 2x world champion and made 3 straight Cod champs finals. Have to mention him when talking about best sub players of all time.
Octane… formal “yeah I think A tier cause he won champs but after I stopped playing… he kind of leveled up to everyone else” implying as good as octane was he still was just regular and not close to formals level 😅
Why dont pros ever bring up Phizz? I get he passed away but he's an underrated S&D legend and doesn't get his props in these nostalgia cod conversations
they confused themselves on what metric they were basing the rankings off.. like formal initially said it was gonna be on skill and how hard they were to kill, then they mixed it with lan wins xD i agree with you.. you can't win a champs and be a burger, let alone 2
List is pretty solid, only difference I would have made was saints, proofy, and kills up to A tier and I could argue Nadeshot and Zooma for S but other than that it’s solid.
Man i miss the FeaR guys! Moho ASSASS1N John and I forget their 4th. I think for bo2, Phizz was even a part of a team that tried to bring FeaR back but it didn't work out
Would honestly have put Zoomaa in A tier based on the fact that during the dynasty that FaZe team for a while was the only team contesting the dynasty and I feel like ZooMaa was a big part of that. But of course that prolly could be said for a bunch of these players. Love the content though!
@@fightszn I feel that but I am just straight going off skill and value of a player instead of the wins they got. AW no one was messing with OpTic. Feel if people were not talking about Scump in the smg category back in the day then they were talking about ZooMaa. I would personally have him in S tier but that's my opinion
Who would be your Top 5 retired pro players!?
No order: Scump, Crim, Karma, Formal and Jkap
@@Manmangocrazy22aches over kap for retired pros but OAT clay is that 5th no doubt
Scump, Crim, Formal, Nade and Karma
@@Grimtality nadeshot in your t5 of all time retired pros is crazy
@@Manmangocrazy22 OpTic fan mentality. We love Nade but bro aint going in over dudes like Kap, Teep or Larew
"5th reason I'm better than Nelso. I sleep with Holly, he sleeps with a pillow" - Karma
scump talking about haggy, he knew if haggy actually wasn't toxic and burned bridges, he potentially could have had a better career
People are more toxic on haggy than haggy actually is
He wanted to play the villain role so hard but he walked a fine line between being a villain and being annoying and a dick. Aches played that role well where he would get under your skin but you knew it was all for show, he still does it
Facts bro, he has one of the best minds in cod no bs
@@Drrewsterr Who did haggy do that too?
@@Drrewsterrthat’s just not true🤣 you must only know the current haggy
Nah you know Formal was FLAMING some of these guys and they had to cut it 🤣🤣
Facts lmao. Formal has to be one of the best trash talkers how he just sly talks about someone cuts deep 😂
100%
he a dork
No matter how much hate Aches gets bro really be getting the respect he deserves.
Man hitch is sitting with 3 quarters of the greatest CoD team in history.
Dang I didn’t even see the guys from coL in the video. 😆
@@gamingjosh1997 coL wishes bud
@@Ascendmenti’m an optic supporter, but coL team was the most dominant.
@@Dr.Magicalnope
yea nah the coL dynasty was not on the Optic Dynasty's level. They were dominant but the green wall at its height was genuinely making teams wish they forfeited instead of being humiliated in front of the crowd@@Dr.Magical
We meed a "where are they now" with all rhe legend cod teams. FeaR, Complexity, nV, Faze, og Optic with big timer and nade, clayster, proody, mirx, nameless. The impact phizz had on snd back in the day. Just straight cod nostalgia
Proofy mirx, nameless, were trash
RIP Phizz
Fear mojo
Madcat gotta be the most underrated player in and out of the game, man. The amount of hilarious moments he has on stage and listen ins, etc. is forgotten sometimes and he was very solid on the sticks too. That WW2 Splyce team was great to watch with him, Bance, Jurd, and Tommey.
not a comedian tier list lol
That’s basically the only thing I disagree on this list. If Jurd is in A, MadCat has to be A as well. MadCat is Jurd’s equal, at least
i agree jurd was insane with a sub
@@YouGotTheFlueJurd has dominated the EU scene from BO2 to AW, Madcat lost time in Vitality
@@azertaa8z397 While that’s true. When on a fitting team, MadCat was as good if not better then Jurd skillwise. That’s all.
Zin alone in C is spot on.
I’d agree
Agreed
Wish this would've had a montage of all these players best plays or moments
Assassin was so good he got me into competitive gaming back with moho and him on fear
With punisher and choppy
cant believe mirx wasnt a part of this. would have loved to hear them talk about him
is he retired?
Didn’t mirx get into some weird only fans type content years ago after he retired? 😂
@@connorcaba2492 wait really? WTF LMAO
Poor Zinni all alone 😂😂
WINNI but also Linni
Apathy should be in s tier. The dude was a monster when he was on point. 2 rings as well
Right? The man was in champs finals 3 years in a row, winning 2 of them. And only losing to the optic dynasty
@@LegitStrategy Apathy and Nadeshot in the same tier lol
Do a teammate tier list!!!! You want to make them uncomfortable, rip the bandaid off and really make them uncomfortable
LMAO this is burn bridges level of uncomfortable, I'm all in.
The killa gas made me smile ongod
This video was awesome. Would love to see more content with these 4
It’s freaking awesome that Scump and Nade are making content together again, and streaming together again
The shade on Sam by Formal 😂😂😂😂😂
shade but he was so serious tho 😅 and we all watched the same thing Sam put it in another gear his final season #Respectfully
i mean sam never really could squeeze out wins when formal was still playing tbf always been a beast tho
@@raven.r6721 He won in bo3, iw (and was the best player in the first half of IW), won in ww2, and bo4. He squeezed out more wins than most during those times. He was much better in ww2 and bo4 than formal was as well 🤷♂️
@@qwwupp4763no matter what he is always behind formal
right 😂 and i’m thinkin, i might have larew higher than formal all time
I know he passed away & hadn’t retired but woulda been cool to see Phizzurp get a mention in here, S&D goat & forever S tier 🙏🏻
I feel like sharp should've been in here he was around forever
Yea I was waiting for him
scump waiting for formal to look at him at 18:53 has me dying laughing
Rip Phiz one of the best SnD players of all time
RIP 🙏 phizznade
Man I have some core memories of watching Phiz and Killa play SnD wagers during ghosts. Shit was hilarious, they would constantly argue about how to play the game but you could tell they both respected each other.
Bro slurping down ramen between rounds. RIP Phil.
Would love to see the Halo team do this for the retired pros from their game😈
So nice seeing Jurd and MadCat mentioned in this video🤩
Formal rating them on how vibey they are and if he can gun them 😂
Apathy not being S tier is nuts. His resume and skill wipes everyone's on A and competes with S.
Scump rocking the Good Good merch is elite. Need a golf video of the optic content creators. It would be comedy for sure. Keep up the great work fellas!
Lowkey the only reason Doug Censor Martin is still competing was to avoid being in this video xD
Savage 😂
Proofy was like a early dashy, such a great shot
Loved this video. More of this style with Karma Scump and Formal
Had to look up the Karma video on Neslo, and I can say it was pure comedy LMAO
I'll be honest with y'all. I started watching and paying attention to Pro COD around IW. so a lot of these guys I didn't know. It was really cool to hear yall talk about them and learn about em.
Rambo on this list! One of my favorite old cod players.
People forget about Jurd. Definitely the greatest Irish player of all time. Top 5 EU player of all time. He was nasty for years pre CDL
i think people forget how good Nagafen was, that man changed metas back in BO4. people were banning a pistol against him and a burst sniper, no one else had that power. it’s sad that they placed him low, but i think he should’ve been higher since they said it was based on how annoying the players were
He was really good in AW as well I was definitely a fan
yeah he was pretty solid
You mean BO3? I didn’t play much BO4 tbf
Seth reppin the good good channel!! Hell yea
A couple of these B pros need to be in C tier 😂
So glad to see Nade get his respect in A. One of the best IGLs and one of the smartest SND pros I’ve ever seen
Holy shit seeing Tuquick in this list is a wild throwback 😂😂
Formal wanted to put players in C so bad, im sorry but there's no way Chino is B
Chino used to be a god what you mean?
@@Marcosrivera101 no way lmao ww2 was the only season other than that he was on bottom-tier teams
@@Marcosrivera101 stop it
These dudes need to do CALL OF DUTY TIER LIST!!
Slacked won a title in pretty much every game he competed in. He wasn’t on the list, but he’s an easy A
Did slacked dirty
Slack for sure easy A
No Slacked on here Is insane tbh. One of the best average placing players all time.
Bigtymer man the optic van is legendary!!!!
I know Killa was a beast in just one game but he won champs and multiple events, gotta be in A imo and then this list would've been perfect
I was thinking that. Dude was really smart and loved by the community and a world champ. Gotta be A for sure
No John on the list is kinda crazy
Yeah dude was a baller, similar to teep in my mind. Was on some great teams and some trash team and would absolutely slay out. Untouchable in BO3
The flank has to do this 😂 y'all know pat voting for most of these players in D
😂😂😂
As soon as they brought nade up i sat up in my chair like "here we goooo"
pretty sick watching this and realizing i grew up scrimming against some of those s tier guys i do think rambo put so many players on the map that hes gotta be on the mount rushmore. great video though. also killa was a legendary sub in those early games. brought the energy but seems like he wasnt the best dude outside of the game
Great video really wish they would have used that C and D Tier
Where is Sharptk I really wanted to see him up here instead of some of these other guys
Literally got to play with zer0 in a pubs match such a nice man , had a couple games with me and we 1v1d he beat me obviously but he added me as a friend crazy good player lots of respect for him
Scump & Damon talking about the Nelso vid omg I’m dying laughing
Nade in A after getting a triple crow is crazy
Yeah I’m stunned not putting him in S. Definitely some left over beef from recently.
Love these tier lists!
Maybe a list ranking pros solely based on their time with optic
As honorary mention phizzurp should have been on here for his contributions to the early days of snd
they needed s,a+,a,b.c tier to accurately rank but its solid with what they used
11 months late but my only criticism of the list is Apathy should be up there with Jkap and Aches in S tier. He won champs with both of them on 2 separate teams and was in 3 consecutive Grand finals in a row winning 2 of them.
Its nice to see they put some respect on Sloss' name this time.
Man this was hilarious. Awesome stuff.
“Throw me in S” 😂😂 Formal is comedy
was hoping to see circa,phizzurp, and foreplay
the goodgood golf gear scumpii i didnt know you had drip like that homie
"WHAT THE FUCK MAN!!" The most legendary thing to come out of EU clips was from Swanny spazzing because he joked on AW back on OpTic Nation
man assassin days were THE cod days
I noticed they were a little more respectful this time around lol.. last time they just clowned sloss but this time they gave him his flowers.. same with nade
Bring Proof home. Dude deserves to be a part of OpTic
Funny how I know all these names but have never seen their faces…
Zoomaa won in 4 different titles!!! 4-23 gang baby!!
Zoomaa if he didn't get injured would've been S tier forsure. Could you imagine Zoomaa and Hydra in the same team together? Just give them two ARs that aren't gonna shit the bed every match and they would run shit.
I mean that was supposed to be the smg duo in cold war
@@seekgold867 I know, that's why I said that, it's really one of the saddest things in cod history.
Great episode!
They being generous some of these guys are C tier
Apathy belongs in S tier. 2x world champion and made 3 straight Cod champs finals. Have to mention him when talking about best sub players of all time.
No mention of Phizzurp at all?? Man that's crazy 😢
fr he was a top 3 snd player for years, and he had 3 chips i believe maybe just 2
Octane… formal “yeah I think A tier cause he won champs but after I stopped playing… he kind of leveled up to everyone else” implying as good as octane was he still was just regular and not close to formals level 😅
He's right tho...
Zoomaa should be in S bro seeing scump and zoomaa the main subs go at it back then was so damn entertaining
gotta do a gun tier list fs
Scump: talking about Zin. “B… what do you mean?”
IYKYK
Love the part about Neslo getting flamed. Dude's an oddball now
Proofy should be A. That X Games win in Ghosts was 🔥
Am I blind or is there no phizzurp? Long live my boy
Why dont pros ever bring up Phizz? I get he passed away but he's an underrated S&D legend and doesn't get his props in these nostalgia cod conversations
Probably because they think it'll bring the mood down or they forget about him
They should be talking about Phizzurp man RIP 🙏
Idk man, if you have 2 rings that's automatic S tier when we're talking about careers.
they confused themselves on what metric they were basing the rankings off.. like formal initially said it was gonna be on skill and how hard they were to kill, then they mixed it with lan wins xD i agree with you.. you can't win a champs and be a burger, let alone 2
Need this again with others like BigT, Boze, and Zinni
Can I get this format? Like the photo cut outs of the players/ tier list?
Damn no phizzurp? 😢 RIP phizzurp. Snd mastermind
scump, crimbot , karma , formal and clay
love how they didn't said a word about Scump and just sent him to S tier 😂 GOAT!
Seth rocking the good good hoodie 👏🏻👏🏻🤣🤣
Apathy not being S tier is a crime but other than that solid list
Love the Zinni troll LMAO I know he's pissed.
Scumpii rocking that GoodGood merch
Killa is at the bottom of people who are remembered, that should matter
List is pretty solid, only difference I would have made was saints, proofy, and kills up to A tier and I could argue Nadeshot and Zooma for S but other than that it’s solid.
Man i miss the FeaR guys! Moho ASSASS1N John and I forget their 4th. I think for bo2, Phizz was even a part of a team that tried to bring FeaR back but it didn't work out
Rip phizzurp
the jerseys they are wearing is the last team they played for before retiring
Bigtymer is the man. Goat
Would honestly have put Zoomaa in A tier based on the fact that during the dynasty that FaZe team for a while was the only team contesting the dynasty and I feel like ZooMaa was a big part of that. But of course that prolly could be said for a bunch of these players. Love the content though!
Zooma was good but not S after AW optic pretty much beat faze most of the time I would agree with zooma at S had he won a world championship
@@fightszn I feel that but I am just straight going off skill and value of a player instead of the wins they got. AW no one was messing with OpTic. Feel if people were not talking about Scump in the smg category back in the day then they were talking about ZooMaa. I would personally have him in S tier but that's my opinion
@@PeKaay i agree with zooma being in S for AW but starting from b03 and onwards me personally i have zooma in A or B tier
@@fightszn Fair. Tbf to me from bo3 onwards it has all been a blur lmao
@@fightsznagreed pre injury zoomaa was s after was a