Hi 20 yrs exp west aussie artisan butcher..ill have a crack at answering one of the questions. . the reason for the tenderness of dry aging. Decomposition.. we can safely do this without salts etc because we control all the factors that let bacteria grow .effectively curing it like jerky. Also the "purge" is called metaglobin its type muscle blood its actuall different to arterial blood or hemaglobin. Its slowly pulled out of the meat because its under vaccum.However if you hung the body for a week or 2 in the chiller before breaking it down and vaccum sealing you would still lose weight over the whole body as it drys in the chiller but less in the purge under vaccum for the same 30 days almost zero.. i personally go with 4 weeks max 6 weeks vaccum sealed any day . For flavour texture tenderness and weight loss. Also nicer/easier to prep trim and slice. . There. Novel done.
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@@austinwmartin 6 hours !!!! 🔴🦌. 5 days or more sitting inside your stomach puuuu-trifying !!! No fibre if you eat animals in their secretions !!! Timelapse. ua-cam.com/video/lmSrUvgWiqE/v-deo.html .... 🤢🤮.. That’s why I am vegan !!!! Your teeth are flat 😬. And your stomach is very very long, “combined length of the small and large intestines is at least 15 ft in length”. We are herbivores. The ape family. ✅❤️😬💪🦍 GorilIas never ever eat animals, they are huge !!! 98.6% the same as us !!! And I’ve gotten bigger and stronger and fitter on a plant based diet. Scientific fact !!!! Fat deposits clog the arteries, eating animals and their secretions. Deodorant mask the symptoms but the shoes and socks and armpits.. 🍳🍖🍔...🦠🧟♂️👕🧦🥾🤮...
I just bought my first dry aged beef, 35 day Wagyu Porter house MBS3+ bone-in, $30AUD/Kg. My loss seemed to be less then yours Andy, before DA it was 9kg, when received it was just above 8kg and after trimming and deboning, I had about 6kgs of steak. Trim and some fat was added to my Wagyu chuck for burgers, those expensive bones made fabulous beef stock, and the pellicle made very yummy doggy treats. My 12x 500g steaks cost me $48AUD/Kg or $22 each. Taste was rich and beefy, and very tender! It took me 3 hours to break down and vacuum seal, but I was very pleased with the results, oh and those bugers were the best I've tasted.
I learned that wet aging was done mostly because of production. Meat purveyors could sell more beef meanwhile having it age in a cryo-bag en route to a customer. Dry aging was the norm prior to mass production. But it seems in the past 10 years hipster cooks have led a resurgence in dry aging. Currently with both aging systems it all depends now (as you mentioned) in what kind of restaurant you're operating. Your wet age had a loss of around 30% while the dry aged had a loss of over 50% (give or take I don't recall the numbers) Also dry aging takes space and extra equipment. Its quite possible to age a sub primal for 10 days to allow for moisture to evaporate. Anyways its up to the restaurant owner on what theme they want. Thanks for the great video Chef Andy cheers
@@andy_cooks I know Kilcoy you mentioned it. I was just saying if someone had a restaurant....etc. something they need to remember for food costs and yield percentages. I have a restaurant in Korea.
Would be interesting to know how much water was lost during the cook? I wonder if the wet aged steak lost more during the cook and the overall wastage is more comparable to the dry aged?
I'd bet the wet age did lose a bit and by the time its all said done they probably were pretty dang close in weight from raw to dressed and cooked. Although I would guess the wet age still retained a bit higher of a percent overall.
You can see in the video that the dry age is a lot dryer than the wet aged. During cooking they both probably lost similar amounts of moisture, so the wastage is not comparable.
I’ve always wet aged my wild game - venison and goat .. I find there is less wastage which is critical on a smaller animal .. great vid with spot on to the point delivery 👌
Dry age is NOT worth it, gets too smelly & you lose too much mass in water along with the trimming you have to do! IF you have a DOG, puppy will LOVE you for it! LOL!
@DMSProduktions dry age further than 15-20 days is simply put a fetish. Flavour develops very well in this timeline, after that it gets very distinct, and you have to be lucky enough to afford trimming. Experimenting is good 😉
Great video! Many thanks for sharing this with us. I try, and dry age any steaks that I do. Usually for about 7 days. Where I live the standards in good restaurants has fallen. So you will have to go a distance to find a good place. Sadly economics has forced many places to take short-cut's which has affected the food. Cooking dry aged meat. You could try this method. Do not pan fry. "T" Bone Steaks, 4"/100mm thick. Trim excess fat off, before dry aging. 7 days minimum. Salt the fat only. Brush with oil. Do not cut off the hard crust*, or fat before placing on the coals of a cool fire. (*This is the best bit). Do not season. Cook slowly. Have a "Chef's test one" going as well. To test as you go along, with a nice coldy of course. Lightly season. Rest for at least 15 minutes. It will be Yum Yum. Kind regards, and greetings from Africa.
So I work in a butcher shop and I enjoy cooking at home. I've done a few experiments in my time, and I definitely agree that I prefer wet aging over dry aging. I don't like the taste of dry age and I feel the wet age is more tender and juicier. That being said, I definitely like garlic powder on my steaks 😂 But I'm really glad you didn't use any pepper. I don't believe pepper has any place on beef. Also, I don't agree with resting steaks. Something larger like a brisket it's necessary, but on steaks I feel you lose too much heat and don't actually get enough benefit to be worth it. I like my steaks hot. Overall, excellent video. Your descriptions were spot on and your process and record keeping helped convey just how much loss there was.
So I recently wet aged some AAA sirloin caps from costco. I had bought a cryobag of 2 and tossed it in the chest freezer, pulled it out to the fridge to thaw for portioning. Between being lazy and busy I decided to try wet aging it another 4-6 weeks beyond the 2-4 weeks you would get meat from the store at. I opened the bag up and processed them earlier this week, I can say it was well worth it. It has this light kinda funk or ferment thats fantastic.
The explanation about why its more tender. (Sorry my English aint perfect) The enzyme does a chemical\mechanical process of decomposition (basicly breaking apart). This process doesn't require oxygen or temperature to happen but those 2 assist of course. What happens is that while the process is going the fibers of the muscles break apart on a molecular level, unlike raw or wet age where the fiber stays intact. So It seems like its all the same to both kinds but if u look under a microscope, the dry age meat fibers will be broken to many pieces and there for it will be more tender than intact fiber. To summarize why they both as tender, the process dont require any environment to be happening so it happened on the wet aged steak as well only a bit slower. I guess in 30 days there aint much of a gap but a 60 days dry age steak is nothing to be compared to as it comes to tenderness. I hope i helped. You can ask me anything you wanna know guys. Peace
I always wet age my briskets for 30-45 days from pack ..never fails ..Im smoking 2 briskets for my restaurant tomorrow ..love the video and I wish I had a dry ager!! Great work chef
Totally spot on 30 dry aged is minimal. Had a 100 dry aged at Hereford Beefstouw in Melbourne that's about as far as I would go. Again thanks for your fantastic knowledge chef and look forward to more videos.
At my work we have two big dry aging cabinets and at some point we made a test with letting a loin hanging in there for over 150 days. I wouldn't say it was inedible, but certainly not suitable for most tastebuds. Very funky, kinda cheesy with milkynotes.
@@McShag420 Heart attack pictures, fatty foods is animaIs cIogged arteries, hard arteries, PH 5, no fibre🧟♂️🦠🍔🥓🥩🍗🍳🧀... 🤮. Vegans don’t stink. PH 7 , plants have fibre ✅😉, vegans are peaceful, Peer review science. Actual pictures of the heart. ua-cam.com/video/15wgYsToORM/v-deo.html !!! ua-cam.com/video/pFPFnhfuLrE/v-deo.html Vegans don’t have this problem because that is the animals. Vegans don’t get clogged arteries, 4% cancer if you’re vegan. Meat based diet 51% death rate. That is extremely high for a frigging burger etc. Gorillas in the wild, have 1 percent cancer. And they never ever eat animals !!! Peer review science !!!! UA-cam delicious vegan food. Time to change ✅❤️😉
controlled decomposition is my theory why dry aging works. My brother is a Salt and Pepper purist. My mom taught me how to make steak and she marinades it in Worcestershire sauce and McCormick Grill Mates Montreal Steak seasoning. It's not simple and wouldn't do that to a dry aged steak but it does give a nice flavor to a steak as well as provides a nice color. Showed somebody a steak I made that way once and they said it was burnt till I cut it open and they saw that it was rare. I prefer my mom's method because that's how I grew up eating steak. My brother does fad diets for so long that he cut out a lot of things our mom taught him when it came to cooking albeit he is still a good cook. I just won't touch his spaghetti because he uses jar sauce that he just heats up and Prego at that.
Hell, the first honest and fully professionall video about dry aging I have seen. I've been dry aging steaks for quite a while now, but this video is simply excellent.
@@artrocious Of course I have, I am a Guga Follower since his beginnings. But to be honest, Guga has always pushed the Umai Bags. Never really heard from him that 30 Day dry aging is not really worth it, when you take in account the amount of loss and gains (for an average cut of meat). I still dry age my steaks, and will continue to do so, all I am saying is that I like the honesty in this Video from Andy. No advertising, straight honest opinion.
You can minimize waste by dry aging on the bone. The bone not only keeps the beef from flattening out too much while aging but it reduces the loss and pellicle on a whole side. You also want to keep the fat caps as generous before aging as well because fat will discolour and get funky quicker so you want some buffer. 45 days is usually the sweet spot for dry aging and they definitely need to be cooked for a shorter period of time than a normal steak.
I live by a big n old butcher shop. Whenever I cook one of their really aged beef…I just don’t care for the taste. What you call funky I call ewww. No thanks. I like my steaks without so much aging.
When doing comparison like this it would be nice to see the « normal » one in your test. For taste difference. Then again to see for a restaurant if it’s worth doing it ! Great content ✌🏼
With aging the muscle cells will be releasing enzymes that help break down the meat and make it softer. This was really interesting; I was surprised the wet aged steak wasn't a little funkier than the dry aged.
I always find the wet-aged beef to have a metallic (iron) taste to it. To me it is borderline inedible. I really enjoy dry-aged beef from 45-50 days. That range seems to be the sweet spot to my palate.
I've done a couple of dry age at home, with the membrane bags. I think I went 45-50 days and they were amazing. I will add, using the trimmings with some fresh mince made the best burgers I have ever tasted.
I used to. it's very expensive long term. what's way cheaper is buying Kombu from an Asian grocer and soaking it, wrap your meat and that's it. the seaweed dries on so you cut your steaks and then trim the edges. granted you cannot keep the edges like the bags can but volume is greater and the flavor is amazing. the Kombu has MSG that naturally permeates the cut of meat.
I threw all of my trimmings away. Didn’t read up on what to do with them. Now that the rib roasts (prime rib) I was using now costs me $30.00-$40.00 per pound I haven’t done any more. Maybe now that I know I don’t have to throw it away I can justify it again. It did make the best steaks I’ve ever eaten.
@@rustbucket9318 be careful though. Although you can use the trims they are still full of bacteria. You supposed to use them as a seasoning to the main mass that you are making burgers from. Also, burgers made from it cannot be kept more than 24h
@@rustbucket9318 6 hours !!!! 🔴🦌. 5 days or more sitting inside your stomach puuuu-trifying !!! No fibre if you eat animals in their secretions !!! Timelapse. ua-cam.com/video/lmSrUvgWiqE/v-deo.html .... 🤢🤮.. That’s why I am vegan !!!! Your teeth are flat 😬. And your stomach is very very long, “combined length of the small and large intestines is at least 15 ft in length”. We are herbivores. The ape family. ✅❤️😬💪🦍 GorilIas never ever eat animals, they are huge !!! 98.6% the same as us !!! And I’ve gotten bigger and stronger and fitter on a plant based diet. Scientific fact !!!! Fat deposits clog the arteries, eating animals and their secretions. Deodorant mask the symptoms but the shoes and socks and armpits.. 🍳🍖🍔...🦠🧟♂️👕🧦🥾🤮.
I think Based on my experience trying 30 Day dry aged 45 day dry aged and 120 day dry aged Ribeyes I'm going with the 120 days it has great beefy flavor and melts in the mouth , however in saying that wet aged doesn't add much flavor and really doesn't effect the tenderness so I'm not a big fan , please note only my opinion and we All have are preferences 👍
Great content as usual Andy! Cheers!! Agreed on all points made. Cost to the plate just doesn't make sense. Less experienced dinners would be excited by the idea of dry aged beef, but are not ready for what it actually is (or so my experience shows me) attach that to the price point to get that to the plate with out loosing your shirt. It's tough, however that result is also highly regional in terms of where you live and population density. With smaller amounts of potential guests we can't upset them, even if they know what they are getting beforehand...so yeah wet aged wins out.
I eat steak quite frequently since I'm on a carnivore diet, and I have gotten into the habit of coating my steaks with koji rice and letting it sit in a small refrigerator for five to ten days on top of a rack, turning it over every day or two. But I don't bother cutting off the surface before cooking, and it definitely has an added flavor to it, but one I find rather pleasant. I'm not sure if that flavor is the same as what you get from dry aging, but it does lose weight and look rather similar. Only downside is that if you don't scrape the koji rice off at the end thoroughly, the crust can burn rather quickly, especially if there isn't enough oil on the pan.
From what I’ve seen, you can’t dry age in the bag. Dry aging involves losing the moisture and it can’t evaporate in a sealed bag. Most restaurants in the US that dry age have special coolers with moving air at a constant temp.
For me once u had that flavour nothing else satisfy me. Its weird. That almost rotten taste blew my mind, nothing else would satisfy me as dry aging. So weird.
Great video.. super interesting thanks for sharing. I like to your quote, very lucky 🤔🤣😝… how do humble home cooks dry age at home? Do you need a special fridge?? Or does the domestic stuff work ok??
Thanks mate! Domestic fridge with a little fan and it will do the job just fine. But it does smell a little bit so I wouldn’t be doing this in the Kitchen might be best to get a little bar fridge and do it out in the garage.
I didn’t know you could use the trim. I’ve wanted to dry age for a while, but hate the idea of wasting the trim so I’m glad I’ve learn how to use it in a resourceful way.
I’m a butcher and it’s funny how much a chef’s point of view on trimming meat differs from a butchers. Not saying it’s a bad thing (just to be clear)! I have mates that are chefs and it makes me want to cry sometimes when I see how much “goodness” they trim off haha. Love all ya vids though chef! I watch all of your content. Keep up the great work mate🤙🏼
You can mince it or just sweat the flavour out. But pasterization is no longer enough - gotta use curing salts and that is not really good for burgers that are cooked at high temp.
The enzymes are breaking down the muscle fibres, which is making a tender piece of meat. The mould in the meat is what makes it aged. It is the same stuff in certain cheeses like Roquefort. I it includes Penicillium roqueforti, among others.
Great video. But you missed one last crucial weighing. What did the two weigh when they got off the grill. I believe the wet aged will have lost a good bit more
I had some lovely 140 day aged rib eyes in Spain recently. Just grilled them on the bbq with a bit of salt and they were superb. Unbelievable flavour but I wouldn’t have that as my regular weekend steak, more of a treat a couple of times a year I think.
Hey Chef! Love your videos! Super fun and educational. I had a question about those trays you have the whole loins on. They look like shallow hotel pans (not sure if y'all call them anything different in AUS). Can you tell me what they are? I really want to purchase some here in Texas to replace my sheet trays. any help is appreciated!
My question would be, how do you ensure to get a safe to store steak for 30 days (wet). Dry makes sense as its hard to go wrong when its dry, but wet brings all sorts of potential issues. You have to reply on the packaging being done well. Also, I prefer less grill and more seer for that mega crust! XD
Great video. Have been using the Misty Gully dry age bags for a while now and love them. Anywhere from 35-70 day Riverina ribeye. Can’t afford the dry age cabinet unfortunately so next best thing. Do you think other cuts other than sirloin or ribeye would go well with dry ageing?
Do you own your own restaurant? If so is it something you'd make publicly avail? Would be cool to visit. looks like it has some really good food from what i see in the vids
I love dry-aged ribeye and strips, I typically go 40-45 days, which is my sweet spot for flavor and funk; but I agree with you 100% about doing it in a restaurant. Even with the elevated pricing, it's too much waste, and if you're doing it in-house, you have to store it, too. IMO, it's fine for a hobbyist or an ultra-premium specialty store. There's a butcher shop by my house which sells 60 day dry aged tomahawks and they're unbelievable to buy for a special occasion.
Not sure why people say adding garlic powder takes away from the beefy flavor. I personally find it adds to it quite nicely. Salt, pepper and garlic powder are very simple but effective seasonings for steak. Not saying just using salt isn’t as good, I just prefer having that garlic powder and pepper to round everything out.
Why didn't you weigh the final grilled product? Maybe you end up with same weight for both variants? Loosing weight during dry ageing wouldn't be a problem then, right?
spot on with the last point, i'm a butcher (family owns a butcher shop and i help out, ended up becoming a pro) and honestly i don't like aged meat. I much prefer the fresher pieces
Very interesting. I've heard very few butchers that like the dryed meat. They sell it as a business but dont eat it. It makes sense because aged meat is to conserve the meat and butchers I bet have always the best and most fresh meat naturally. What is your thought about keeping the meat in vacuum with its own blood?
Thanks for the video , I just had a 55 dry aged steak in Italy and loved it , so tender, but for hone I’ll try the wet aged , I’m after tenderness , the flavor I’ll get from smoke & charcoal , great experiment
The good old vein steak, first time someone has given that a good review in a long time. I work for a food company in the US as a sales rep with lots of overall training done. Industry only has bad to say about thr vein steak
Would be nice to see the difference between levels of the meat that you mention and maybe do a price comparison so we know what to aim for in a nice beef.
Hey, what's the difference between dry aging in a bag, and just buying a piece of meat that has been sitting in the grocery store, chilled, in a bag for 30 days?
Great stuff! Did you disposed of the wet aged trimmings; or did you save those for burgers as well? When you do a dry aged burger, how do you determine the ratio of fresh meat to pellicle? Does the 80/20 fat ratio change?
There is a huge issue in this video. For dry aging you should only use fresh meat which has not been in vacuum. With the vacuum meat gets the metallic "vacuum" taste really fast. Usually in around 6-10 hours in vacuum bag is enough.
I dry age and wet age at home all depending on the cut of meat, lean meats are better wet aged, fatty meats are better dry aged in my opinion great video
you are exactly right ive wasted so much money dry aging lean meat, wet aging lean meats you preserve almost all of the meat, the pellicle is trimmed off the dry aging and wastes so much with lean meat
I have a question, would a meat peeler work trimming the crust of the dry aged meat? That way you could get as much good meat possible to cook. Or does a carving knife work well enough it's not worth the effort. Iv seen peelers used for prosciutto, and it made me think why people don't use a peeler to remove the crust of dry aged meat.
When I cut the black/brown/red crust off my deer when dry aged in the fridge, it smells fine, but has a slimy texture. Also, some of the meat just under the dry surface is brown. Is the underlying soft, somewhat slimy meat still good or garbage? Please answer soon!
When you add garlic powder on a steak and then grill it all of it will get burned and will form a "crust" you wont get any garlic taste. If someone is strugling with a crust, put some. The olive oil is totally fine on a steak and is a way healthier option.
Hi 20 yrs exp west aussie artisan butcher..ill have a crack at answering one of the questions. . the reason for the tenderness of dry aging. Decomposition.. we can safely do this without salts etc because we control all the factors that let bacteria grow .effectively curing it like jerky. Also the "purge" is called metaglobin its type muscle blood its actuall different to arterial blood or hemaglobin. Its slowly pulled out of the meat because its under vaccum.However if you hung the body for a week or 2 in the chiller before breaking it down and vaccum sealing you would still lose weight over the whole body as it drys in the chiller but less in the purge under vaccum for the same 30 days almost zero.. i personally go with 4 weeks max 6 weeks vaccum sealed any day . For flavour texture tenderness and weight loss. Also nicer/easier to prep trim and slice. . There. Novel done.
Finally an authentic cooking channel on UA-cam! Exactly what I’ve been wanting. Thank you for this content Chef!!
And we got to see his Boning room. I just call mine my bedroom.
yes! no flashy bullshit or stupid overacting.
That garlic powder comment was a fatal blow to Guga 😂
Emotional Damage!
When Guga dry ages beef, especially high quality cuts, he just does Salt and Freshly Ground Black Pepper.
@@deanwilliams2374 Heart attack pictures, fatty foods is animaIs cIogged arteries, hard arteries, PH 5, no fibre🧟♂️🦠🍔🥓🥩🍗🍳🧀... 🤮. Vegans don’t stink. PH 7 , plants have fibre ✅😉, vegans are peaceful, Peer review science. Actual pictures of the heart. ua-cam.com/video/15wgYsToORM/v-deo.html !!! ua-cam.com/video/pFPFnhfuLrE/v-deo.html Vegans don’t have this problem because that is the animals. Vegans don’t get clogged arteries, 4% cancer if you’re vegan. Meat based diet 51% death rate. That is extremely high for a frigging burger etc. Gorillas in the wild, have 1 percent cancer. And they never ever eat animals !!! Peer review science !!!!
UA-cam delicious vegan food. Time to change ✅❤️😉
@@austinwmartin 6 hours !!!! 🔴🦌. 5 days or more sitting inside your stomach puuuu-trifying !!! No fibre if you eat animals in their secretions !!! Timelapse. ua-cam.com/video/lmSrUvgWiqE/v-deo.html .... 🤢🤮.. That’s why I am vegan !!!! Your teeth are flat 😬. And your stomach is very very long, “combined length of the small and large intestines is at least 15 ft in length”. We are herbivores. The ape family. ✅❤️😬💪🦍 GorilIas never ever eat animals, they are huge !!! 98.6% the same as us !!! And I’ve gotten bigger and stronger and fitter on a plant based diet. Scientific fact !!!! Fat deposits clog the arteries, eating animals and their secretions. Deodorant mask the symptoms but the shoes and socks and armpits.. 🍳🍖🍔...🦠🧟♂️👕🧦🥾🤮...
@@VeganV5912 wow, great addition to the conversation!
The garlic powder comment was firmly directed at Guga / SVE 😂
I just bought my first dry aged beef, 35 day Wagyu Porter house MBS3+ bone-in, $30AUD/Kg. My loss seemed to be less then yours Andy, before DA it was 9kg, when received it was just above 8kg and after trimming and deboning, I had about 6kgs of steak. Trim and some fat was added to my Wagyu chuck for burgers, those expensive bones made fabulous beef stock, and the pellicle made very yummy doggy treats. My 12x 500g steaks cost me $48AUD/Kg or $22 each. Taste was rich and beefy, and very tender! It took me 3 hours to break down and vacuum seal, but I was very pleased with the results, oh and those bugers were the best I've tasted.
I learned that wet aging was done mostly because of production. Meat purveyors could sell more beef meanwhile having it age in a cryo-bag en route to a customer. Dry aging was the norm prior to mass production. But it seems in the past 10 years hipster cooks have led a resurgence in dry aging. Currently with both aging systems it all depends now (as you mentioned) in what kind of restaurant you're operating. Your wet age had a loss of around 30% while the dry aged had a loss of over 50% (give or take I don't recall the numbers) Also dry aging takes space and extra equipment. Its quite possible to age a sub primal for 10 days to allow for moisture to evaporate. Anyways its up to the restaurant owner on what theme they want. Thanks for the great video Chef Andy cheers
Thanks mate! I don’t run a restaurant, I run a test kitchen
@@andy_cooks I know Kilcoy you mentioned it. I was just saying if someone had a restaurant....etc. something they need to remember for food costs and yield percentages. I have a restaurant in Korea.
Would be interesting to know how much water was lost during the cook? I wonder if the wet aged steak lost more during the cook and the overall wastage is more comparable to the dry aged?
I'd bet the wet age did lose a bit and by the time its all said done they probably were pretty dang close in weight from raw to dressed and cooked. Although I would guess the wet age still retained a bit higher of a percent overall.
You can see in the video that the dry age is a lot dryer than the wet aged. During cooking they both probably lost similar amounts of moisture, so the wastage is not comparable.
I too wondered if dry aged losses less on the cook than wet
@@Chroniknight less, but probably not in large amounts
I’ve always wet aged my wild game - venison and goat .. I find there is less wastage which is critical on a smaller animal .. great vid with spot on to the point delivery 👌
wild goat or domestic? Grass fed?
@@spinningbackspin wild mate
@@greatdividehunting7887 Oh lovely!
Dry age is NOT worth it, gets too smelly & you lose too much mass in water along with the trimming you have to do!
IF you have a DOG, puppy will LOVE you for it! LOL!
@DMSProduktions dry age further than 15-20 days is simply put a fetish. Flavour develops very well in this timeline, after that it gets very distinct, and you have to be lucky enough to afford trimming. Experimenting is good 😉
Great video! Many thanks for sharing this with us.
I try, and dry age any steaks that I do. Usually for about 7 days.
Where I live the standards in good restaurants has fallen.
So you will have to go a distance to find a good place. Sadly economics has forced many places to take short-cut's which has affected the food.
Cooking dry aged meat. You could try this method. Do not pan fry.
"T" Bone Steaks, 4"/100mm thick.
Trim excess fat off, before dry aging. 7 days minimum. Salt the fat only.
Brush with oil. Do not cut off the hard crust*, or fat before placing on the coals of a cool fire. (*This is the best bit).
Do not season. Cook slowly.
Have a "Chef's test one" going as well. To test as you go along, with a nice coldy of course.
Lightly season. Rest for at least 15 minutes. It will be Yum Yum.
Kind regards, and greetings from Africa.
You've got a really nice presentation style - Really chill, informative and very very easy to watch. Keep it going!
real pros don't need bombastic presentation to make some really great content :)
@@ElBach1y so much better than Jamie Olive oil
So I work in a butcher shop and I enjoy cooking at home. I've done a few experiments in my time, and I definitely agree that I prefer wet aging over dry aging. I don't like the taste of dry age and I feel the wet age is more tender and juicier.
That being said, I definitely like garlic powder on my steaks 😂 But I'm really glad you didn't use any pepper. I don't believe pepper has any place on beef.
Also, I don't agree with resting steaks. Something larger like a brisket it's necessary, but on steaks I feel you lose too much heat and don't actually get enough benefit to be worth it. I like my steaks hot.
Overall, excellent video. Your descriptions were spot on and your process and record keeping helped convey just how much loss there was.
Pepper steak:Am I a joke to you?
So I recently wet aged some AAA sirloin caps from costco. I had bought a cryobag of 2 and tossed it in the chest freezer, pulled it out to the fridge to thaw for portioning. Between being lazy and busy I decided to try wet aging it another 4-6 weeks beyond the 2-4 weeks you would get meat from the store at.
I opened the bag up and processed them earlier this week, I can say it was well worth it. It has this light kinda funk or ferment thats fantastic.
@@durstroyer3924 Costco is a scam.
As a fellow chef, really enjoying your videos, keep up the good work mate! Hoping for more informative videos like this one
Yes, Id love to see the same type of comparison between completely fresh-off-the-animal and straight-from-cryovac bag, too....
The explanation about why its more tender. (Sorry my English aint perfect)
The enzyme does a chemical\mechanical process of decomposition (basicly breaking apart). This process doesn't require oxygen or temperature to happen but those 2 assist of course.
What happens is that while the process is going the fibers of the muscles break apart on a molecular level, unlike raw or wet age where the fiber stays intact.
So It seems like its all the same to both kinds but if u look under a microscope, the dry age meat fibers will be broken to many pieces and there for it will be more tender than intact fiber.
To summarize why they both as tender, the process dont require any environment to be happening so it happened on the wet aged steak as well only a bit slower.
I guess in 30 days there aint much of a gap but a 60 days dry age steak is nothing to be compared to as it comes to tenderness.
I hope i helped. You can ask me anything you wanna know guys.
Peace
I always wet age my briskets for 30-45 days from pack ..never fails ..Im smoking 2 briskets for my restaurant tomorrow ..love the video and I wish I had a dry ager!! Great work chef
Totally spot on 30 dry aged is minimal. Had a 100 dry aged at Hereford Beefstouw in Melbourne that's about as far as I would go. Again thanks for your fantastic knowledge chef and look forward to more videos.
Thanks mate 🙌
I think 60 day is very nice and 90-100 becomes something else entirely but is probably also my favorite.
At my work we have two big dry aging cabinets and at some point we made a test with letting a loin hanging in there for over 150 days. I wouldn't say it was inedible, but certainly not suitable for most tastebuds. Very funky, kinda cheesy with milkynotes.
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controlled decomposition is my theory why dry aging works. My brother is a Salt and Pepper purist. My mom taught me how to make steak and she marinades it in Worcestershire sauce and McCormick Grill Mates Montreal Steak seasoning. It's not simple and wouldn't do that to a dry aged steak but it does give a nice flavor to a steak as well as provides a nice color. Showed somebody a steak I made that way once and they said it was burnt till I cut it open and they saw that it was rare. I prefer my mom's method because that's how I grew up eating steak. My brother does fad diets for so long that he cut out a lot of things our mom taught him when it came to cooking albeit he is still a good cook. I just won't touch his spaghetti because he uses jar sauce that he just heats up and Prego at that.
Hell, the first honest and fully professionall video about dry aging I have seen. I've been dry aging steaks for quite a while now, but this video is simply excellent.
Thanks mate !
Have you not seen Guga Foods?
@@artrocious Of course I have, I am a Guga Follower since his beginnings. But to be honest, Guga has always pushed the Umai Bags. Never really heard from him that 30 Day dry aging is not really worth it, when you take in account the amount of loss and gains (for an average cut of meat). I still dry age my steaks, and will continue to do so, all I am saying is that I like the honesty in this Video from Andy. No advertising, straight honest opinion.
@@denzelmaniac well guga did say that you won't see dry aged steaks in restaurants due to how much they will lose from it.
@@chairforce664 that makes no sense, since every steakhouse today has dry aged on their menu. It costs more, that's all.
You can minimize waste by dry aging on the bone. The bone not only keeps the beef from flattening out too much while aging but it reduces the loss and pellicle on a whole side. You also want to keep the fat caps as generous before aging as well because fat will discolour and get funky quicker so you want some buffer. 45 days is usually the sweet spot for dry aging and they definitely need to be cooked for a shorter period of time than a normal steak.
Butter dry age is another way
@@asdas4312 thats not dry aging since the meat isn't exposed to oxygen. It's closer to curing.
I live by a big n old butcher shop. Whenever I cook one of their really aged beef…I just don’t care for the taste. What you call funky I call ewww. No thanks. I like my steaks without so much aging.
Totally agree. Just tastes rotted to me, not at all desirable.
This looks amazing and I love the commentary that Andy gives. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. It's was very well put together and informative.
Cool man… I’ll be a long time viewer, that’s for sure. I’m in Melbourne too actually. Good to see another NZ fella up this way. Keep it up 👍🏼
When doing comparison like this it would be nice to see the « normal » one in your test. For taste difference. Then again to see for a restaurant if it’s worth doing it ! Great content ✌🏼
guga food 😂
@@CoolPanda_LOL That guy loves to "keep it simple"
With aging the muscle cells will be releasing enzymes that help break down the meat and make it softer. This was really interesting; I was surprised the wet aged steak wasn't a little funkier than the dry aged.
Thanks 🙏
@the reason The amazing, wonderfully tasty controlled decomposition. All the best things are fermented/aged.
I always find the wet-aged beef to have a metallic (iron) taste to it. To me it is borderline inedible. I really enjoy dry-aged beef from 45-50 days. That range seems to be the sweet spot to my palate.
I've done a couple of dry age at home, with the membrane bags.
I think I went 45-50 days and they were amazing.
I will add, using the trimmings with some fresh mince made the best burgers I have ever tasted.
I used to. it's very expensive long term. what's way cheaper is buying Kombu from an Asian grocer and soaking it, wrap your meat and that's it. the seaweed dries on so you cut your steaks and then trim the edges. granted you cannot keep the edges like the bags can but volume is greater and the flavor is amazing. the Kombu has MSG that naturally permeates the cut of meat.
I threw all of my trimmings away. Didn’t read up on what to do with them. Now that the rib roasts (prime rib) I was using now costs me $30.00-$40.00 per pound I haven’t done any more. Maybe now that I know I don’t have to throw it away I can justify it again. It did make the best steaks I’ve ever eaten.
@@rustbucket9318 be careful though. Although you can use the trims they are still full of bacteria.
You supposed to use them as a seasoning to the main mass that you are making burgers from.
Also, burgers made from it cannot be kept more than 24h
@@daganattias274 Thank you. I will also do a little research before hand.
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I think Based on my experience trying 30 Day dry aged 45 day dry aged and 120 day dry aged Ribeyes I'm going with the 120 days it has great beefy flavor and melts in the mouth , however in saying that wet aged doesn't add much flavor and really doesn't effect the tenderness so I'm not a big fan , please note only my opinion and we All have are preferences 👍
You have the best job in the world. Testing tasting cooking. Perfecting things to make peoples dining experiences memorable. Great job chef.
Great content as usual Andy! Cheers!! Agreed on all points made. Cost to the plate just doesn't make sense. Less experienced dinners would be excited by the idea of dry aged beef, but are not ready for what it actually is (or so my experience shows me) attach that to the price point to get that to the plate with out loosing your shirt. It's tough, however that result is also highly regional in terms of where you live and population density. With smaller amounts of potential guests we can't upset them, even if they know what they are getting beforehand...so yeah wet aged wins out.
I eat steak quite frequently since I'm on a carnivore diet, and I have gotten into the habit of coating my steaks with koji rice and letting it sit in a small refrigerator for five to ten days on top of a rack, turning it over every day or two. But I don't bother cutting off the surface before cooking, and it definitely has an added flavor to it, but one I find rather pleasant. I'm not sure if that flavor is the same as what you get from dry aging, but it does lose weight and look rather similar. Only downside is that if you don't scrape the koji rice off at the end thoroughly, the crust can burn rather quickly, especially if there isn't enough oil on the pan.
Another great video!! And the grill marks on those steaks were spot on!!🥩🥩🥩🥩🥩🥩
Great Video!!! Really appreciate the honest opinion. Any tips on dry aging in the bag without having a dry aging refrigerator?
From what I’ve seen, you can’t dry age in the bag. Dry aging involves losing the moisture and it can’t evaporate in a sealed bag. Most restaurants in the US that dry age have special coolers with moving air at a constant temp.
The funky taste from aging is a little of an acquired taste.
Definitely
For me once u had that flavour nothing else satisfy me. Its weird. That almost rotten taste blew my mind, nothing else would satisfy me as dry aging. So weird.
@@sebastionjunior4125 haha for me it’s the opposite. Maybe I just don’t eat it enough.
@@sebastionjunior4125 it’s an acquired taste. Not for everyone. Just like everything else expensive lol. Blue cheese. Most fermented stuff.
Just say you can't afford steakhouses
With the scrapes, do you discard it? Add it to ground beef? Save for beef stock? Stews? Render off the fat for other recipes?
Thanks for a great presentation. Can you explain how you age your beef, under what conditions - temperature, humidity, etc?
Thanks again.
Great video.. super interesting thanks for sharing. I like to your quote, very lucky 🤔🤣😝… how do humble home cooks dry age at home? Do you need a special fridge?? Or does the domestic stuff work ok??
Thanks mate! Domestic fridge with a little fan and it will do the job just fine. But it does smell a little bit so I wouldn’t be doing this in the Kitchen might be best to get a little bar fridge and do it out in the garage.
Wine cabinets work to just adjust for a cooler temp so the meat doesn't spoil.
Thanks team for the reply, good tips. I’ll give it a try. 👍👍👏👏
There's special dry age bags you can use
I didn’t know you could use the trim. I’ve wanted to dry age for a while, but hate the idea of wasting the trim so I’m glad I’ve learn how to use it in a resourceful way.
I know this was posted a year ago. But, I cannot thank you enough for your thoroughness and honest evaluation.
Honestly i like these longer videos more than your shorts. Also would have been nice to see compared to just a normal steak with no aging at all.
55 days is my favorite. On a thick cut, like Wagyu, I love 21 days.
I wet age most of the time and then cut it to serving size and pop them in the fridge over a salt bed for 12 to 20 hours. works very well.
I’m a butcher and it’s funny how much a chef’s point of view on trimming meat differs from a butchers. Not saying it’s a bad thing (just to be clear)! I have mates that are chefs and it makes me want to cry sometimes when I see how much “goodness” they trim off haha. Love all ya vids though chef! I watch all of your content. Keep up the great work mate🤙🏼
Love the recipe videos and shorts but this was super cool as well. Hope more of them pop up :)
You can mince it or just sweat the flavour out. But pasterization is no longer enough - gotta use curing salts and that is not really good for burgers that are cooked at high temp.
The enzymes are breaking down the muscle fibres, which is making a tender piece of meat. The mould in the meat is what makes it aged. It is the same stuff in certain cheeses like Roquefort. I it includes Penicillium roqueforti, among others.
Possibly the most informative video you have done mate. Excellent 👌 thank you!
Great video. But you missed one last crucial weighing. What did the two weigh when they got off the grill. I believe the wet aged will have lost a good bit more
This guy is not only a chef he is a butcher look how he cut those steaks almost millimetre perfect 6.50 time 10 out of 10
How long is a shrink-wraped sirloin safe to wet age? At what temperature?
There is an in-between option though with the aging bags
I had some lovely 140 day aged rib eyes in Spain recently. Just grilled them on the bbq with a bit of salt and they were superb. Unbelievable flavour but I wouldn’t have that as my regular weekend steak, more of a treat a couple of times a year I think.
They take on such an entirely different character when aged that far. Very good, but certainly so far away from fresh that it is very dissimilar.
Hey Chef! Love your videos! Super fun and educational. I had a question about those trays you have the whole loins on. They look like shallow hotel pans (not sure if y'all call them anything different in AUS). Can you tell me what they are? I really want to purchase some here in Texas to replace my sheet trays. any help is appreciated!
Check out your local restaurant depot. You do need a commercial account to purchase, but they have everything there.
My question would be, how do you ensure to get a safe to store steak for 30 days (wet). Dry makes sense as its hard to go wrong when its dry, but wet brings all sorts of potential issues. You have to reply on the packaging being done well.
Also, I prefer less grill and more seer for that mega crust! XD
Great content, would love to see a video on improving cheap cuts like rump and gravy to enjoy steak on a budget?
Sounded like a shot at Guga Foods with the garlic powder
I always wondered what the difference was. Thanks for clearing that up! Love your channel!
Great video.
Have been using the Misty Gully dry age bags for a while now and love them. Anywhere from 35-70 day Riverina ribeye. Can’t afford the dry age cabinet unfortunately so next best thing.
Do you think other cuts other than sirloin or ribeye would go well with dry ageing?
Brisket to go really well, and I’ve got a whole Rum in there right now that should be interesting!
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Please let us follow you in progress of that room. I realy like when you make this more informative videos. 😎👍
I have a request, can you please show all of your tools which you use in your kitchen, particularly things which are fancy. Thanks
Do you own your own restaurant? If so is it something you'd make publicly avail? Would be cool to visit. looks like it has some really good food from what i see in the vids
What was the process before you got both pieces of meat? Killed, butchered, and packaged? Killed, time for rigor mortis, butchered, and packaged?
If you buy a whole bag of sirloin at costco, and leave it in fridge for 30days, would you say that is a wet age process?
Yep. That's literally all these folks are doing when "wet aging" is invoked.
Hi Andy, great vid. Would be interesting to see a longer age around 60 days and the flavor comparison.
I love dry-aged ribeye and strips, I typically go 40-45 days, which is my sweet spot for flavor and funk; but I agree with you 100% about doing it in a restaurant. Even with the elevated pricing, it's too much waste, and if you're doing it in-house, you have to store it, too. IMO, it's fine for a hobbyist or an ultra-premium specialty store. There's a butcher shop by my house which sells 60 day dry aged tomahawks and they're unbelievable to buy for a special occasion.
Not sure why people say adding garlic powder takes away from the beefy flavor. I personally find it adds to it quite nicely. Salt, pepper and garlic powder are very simple but effective seasonings for steak. Not saying just using salt isn’t as good, I just prefer having that garlic powder and pepper to round everything out.
NO rotten meat thanks! 21 days hung @ 4deg is more than enough ageing afaic!
I WILL go hung game, but again not months worth!
Why didn't you weigh the final grilled product? Maybe you end up with same weight for both variants? Loosing weight during dry ageing wouldn't be a problem then, right?
I’ve been waiting for a video like this!!
a weight comparison of the cooked cuts would've been interesting. Love your work.
10:45 calling out Guga hahahah
spot on with the last point, i'm a butcher (family owns a butcher shop and i help out, ended up becoming a pro) and honestly i don't like aged meat. I much prefer the fresher pieces
Very interesting. I've heard very few butchers that like the dryed meat. They sell it as a business but dont eat it. It makes sense because aged meat is to conserve the meat and butchers I bet have always the best and most fresh meat naturally.
What is your thought about keeping the meat in vacuum with its own blood?
What about going longer on the wet aged beef? Likely any flavour changes?
Thanks for the video , I just had a 55 dry aged steak in Italy and loved it , so tender, but for hone I’ll try the wet aged , I’m after tenderness , the flavor I’ll get from smoke & charcoal , great experiment
The good old vein steak, first time someone has given that a good review in a long time. I work for a food company in the US as a sales rep with lots of overall training done. Industry only has bad to say about thr vein steak
That kitchen is clean af
Beautiful. Thank you for your insight Chef. all love and support from The PNW.
The quickest 14 mins 48 seconds in my life. Well done. 👏👏👏👏👏
10:52 I never understood the garlic powder either. I tried it once and it was underwhelming to say the least
Shots fired against Guga xD
But I think the same whenever he adds it...
Would be nice to see the difference between levels of the meat that you mention and maybe do a price comparison so we know what to aim for in a nice beef.
Hey, what's the difference between dry aging in a bag, and just buying a piece of meat that has been sitting in the grocery store, chilled, in a bag for 30 days?
if i wasnt already hungry enough, I'm blimmin starvin now!
Very interesting stuff!
Did you take a shot a Guga when you said "you don't know why people add garlic powder to their steaks."?
Is the meat sterilized before being put in the cryo bag?
Love your long videos! keep it up!
Love your videos mate awesome to see your career and skills
Awesome channel - would love to see more of these type videos/experiments!
Love the slight dig at people who say they're keeping it simple.
Great video Chef!! IS 30 days aged the longest you go for dry aging , are there any exceptions for going longer and does that depend on the cut?
Great stuff!
Did you disposed of the wet aged trimmings; or did you save those for burgers as well?
When you do a dry aged burger, how do you determine the ratio of fresh meat to pellicle?
Does the 80/20 fat ratio change?
As a man who have watched 90% of steak videos on UA-cam I would like to say “well done”
No, no! Rare side of medium rare is the way to go! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤪
There is a huge issue in this video. For dry aging you should only use fresh meat which has not been in vacuum. With the vacuum meat gets the metallic "vacuum" taste really fast. Usually in around 6-10 hours in vacuum bag is enough.
Can't cook side by side. Dry aged different density.
Yes to 40-45.
Is it grass fed?
I dry age and wet age at home all depending on the cut of meat, lean meats are better wet aged, fatty meats are better dry aged in my opinion great video
you are exactly right ive wasted so much money dry aging lean meat, wet aging lean meats you preserve almost all of the meat, the pellicle is trimmed off the dry aging and wastes so much with lean meat
I have a question, would a meat peeler work trimming the crust of the dry aged meat? That way you could get as much good meat possible to cook. Or does a carving knife work well enough it's not worth the effort. Iv seen peelers used for prosciutto, and it made me think why people don't use a peeler to remove the crust of dry aged meat.
Love your videos and how factual they are.
When I cut the black/brown/red crust off my deer when dry aged in the fridge, it smells fine, but has a slimy texture. Also, some of the meat just under the dry surface is brown. Is the underlying soft, somewhat slimy meat still good or garbage? Please answer soon!
Do you have any special preperation before puting the meat in your ager? Do you just pat it dry with paper towel?
When you add garlic powder on a steak and then grill it all of it will get burned and will form a "crust" you wont get any garlic taste. If someone is strugling with a crust, put some. The olive oil is totally fine on a steak and is a way healthier option.
Kilcoy beef is some of the best, I use that and phoenix farms, also exceptional. Love your videos, from a kiwi chef in Biloela ❤
Not a huge steak eater myself but it was such a fascinating topic that I watched it anyway. Great video.
damn an executive chef! That’s amazing hopefully I can get to that title!
Andy you are phenomenal chef
Thank you 🙏
When you are throwing the meat away after trimming, do you really throw it away or do you do something with it afterwards?