@@freeisalwaysme what do they have in common with KU? A top notch basketball team. Yeah, their football program isn't good but there are other ways to butter your bread. U of A and ASU to the Big 12 would be great for all parties involved.
I'm in Scottsdale and a Big XII fan, PLEASE, get the AZ schools! The Phoenix market is great, grab Utah, CU, for SLC and Denver and you have big gains.
@@kingbaldwiniv5409 I'm a Big 12 fan too, attended school at KSU from '93 to '98 and now live near Apache Creek Wilderness area...it would be awesome to see the Big 12 expand to include the schools you mentioned. Really hope this works out!
Lifelong OU fan here. I think a lot of Sooner fans will still follow the Big 12 and I know for sure that I will continue to follow and watch Big12 football. I also think a lot of Sooner fans are also fans of OK State. It's not the heated rivalry like OU vs Texas because OU pretty much owns OSU in football. Not saying it's not a great rivalry, or isn't an important rivalry, but its hard to have animosity toward a team OU has consistently beat for a century. Also being from Oklahoma I just love the state of Oklahoma and root for all of our college teams and I think a lot of college fans here in Oklahoma feel that way. Also I think people like to root for underdogs and the Big12 is kind of an underdog in the new College football landscape. I have always and will continue to be a fan of the Big12 and root for their success.
Nick Gordon- KSU Alum here- You can spin it any way you wish - Your school is still a traitor, no matter what you say. I look forward to '25, when I can say good riddance to the over-inflated and arrogant egos of both traitors.
@@jackernst612 I don't blame the fans of the other schools for feeling that way. I am going to miss the regional match ups and rivalries. I think that is a big part of what has made college football special. But let's be honest, any other school would have done the exact same thing. If the BIG10 or SEC called KSU tomorrow they would leave in a heartbeat. Sadly it's all about the $ nowadays. Let's face it though, OU has been carrying the torch for the BIG12 for over 2 decades. OU and Texas are one of the main reasons KSU and other schools have been able to bring in the revenue they have. And thats not a slight or a knock against anyone, its just facts. A big part of me wishes that OU wouldn't have left because it's like Kevin Durant leaving the Thunder to join the 73 win GS Warriors. Can't beat em, join em. And that doesnt sit right with me. But at the end of the day, why they did it makes a lot of sense from a business and visibility standpoint. The SEC undoubtedly puts OU and Texas in a prime position to bring in substantially more money and to recruit at a higher level than they have been able to previously being in the Big12. Maybe if the NIL rules hadn't been implemented none of this even happens. Again, I understand why the teams left behind may be bitter. I will still root for the Big12 to be a successful and relevant conference.
If anyone else leaves the Pac 12 then Cal and Stanford will be the next teams to go. The Bay Area market is big - 6th in the country - and will allow alumni to see their team once a year. Plus the bay is a large recruitment hub. I would think USC and UCLA would want Stanford and Cal as it would help cut down on travel time and preserve some lesser acknowledged rivalries.
I don’t think anyone else from the Pac is going to the B1G and as much as I want them to, no one from the Big12 will join the SEC. if they wanted them they would’ve taken them already. I do think Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Both AZ schools, Colorado and Notre Dame will join the Big12
Go look up views for cal, NO they add nothing, nobody around there cares much about football anymore, much less cal. Can't even fill half the stadium, they add nothing
@@Joe_BROgan Cal adds location, and a chance to recruit an area the BIG12 doesn’t recruit well. Oregon ST, Washington St, and Utah are the only remaining Pac teams that have nothing to offer the Big12 but would be nice additions to the MWC.
I agree. CAL and UCLA have very close ties. CAL football brand is weak but their academic brand is super strong. I doubt USC wants Oregon. Stanford and CAL won't diminish USC but Oregon has so I think bringing Oregon into BIG is a bad move. The PAC suffered because Oregon overshadowed USC. The BIG wants USC to return to blue-blood status so Oregon is out.
Arizona State is probably Exhibit 1 as to how little of a commitment to football facilities exists in the PAC 12. Sun Devil Stadium felt outdated in the late 1980s when the Cardinals moved from St Louis. Hopefully a move to the Big 12 will at least motivate someone in Tempe to at least upgrade the stadium.
Trips to Lubbock, Waco, Stillwater, Manhattan KS, Lawrence KS, Ames IA....travel nightmares.... vs easy trips to awesome places like SF Bay Area (especially Palo Alto), Seattle, San Diego (assumes SDSU), Las Vegas (assumes UNLV), Phoenix.... Big Advantage: PAC12
Obviously you have visited Waco, Stillwater, Manhattan, Lawrence and Ames. LOL “What do they do around here for fun?” “Oh, probably sit around and watch the paint rust on cars...”
@@sarahmccoy1941 what exactly do you need for entertainment following a football game? A ski resort? A beach?… plenty of bar districts in every Big12 college town.
The Big 12 should contact the major media network managers now and work a deal similar to the Big 10 by going after Oregon and Washington, Az. and Stanford. They should tell Utah and ASU to stay tuned.
Slightly higher outcome? You can’t be serious. How many to 5 final rankings has KSU won? How many January Bowl games has KSU won? How many National championships has KSU played in? They are nowhere near Oregons level. That’s such a ridiculous claim.
You guys are awesome. Great top 5. Stuff the anti big 12, sec and big10 only, pro espn fans don't want to hear. Great there are more fans and more teams outside of the sec and big10 than in the big10 and sec.
Biggest question is, the la schools are gone who would they bring in to help stabilize? The big 12 had Cincinnati in the playoffs, BYU and UCF have been good and Houston with the market, the PAC 12 have San Diego state and maybe Boise state? Is that really enough
Why is everyone so enamored with Lincoln Riely? He won with QBs that he inherited and transferred in--but didn't look very good with his first real team that he recruited.
@@tohaz I mean they still won 10 games but I'm with you Riley is being very hyped up right now. He's a good coach no doubt but he is not a top coach right now. I can name several coaches I'd put over him
Wtf are you talking about at 2:30? PAC has evolved and been around in some form since 1917, has the most national championships of any conference across all sports
TV money numbers from ESPN will be a joke. Time for the 4 corner schools plus Oregon and Washington to jump to the BIG 12. Snooty Stanford and Cal can go to rhe Big 10...if they'll have them. Wash State and Oregon State to the Mountsin West. RIP Pac 12.
USC is the bigger national football brand but UCLA is a bigger global brand overall. I enjoy this radio show but I think the announcers are overlooking the value of UCLA. Stanford is another global brand in general athletics and academics that reaches beyond the nation.
These Big 12 homers are hilarious. Facts: the Big 12 has already been PAC 12’ved before it happened to the PAC 12. There is now only a Power 3, and it’s the ACC, not the Big 12, who must decide whether to expand or be relegated.
Except the Big 12 already added the best G5 schools last year. One of the big differences between UCF, Cincy, BYU, Houston and the other G5 schools that the Pac 12 could add is academics. San Diego State and Boise State are not as good academically as BYU or UofH. Also, the four new teams to the Big 12 add more than just football, whereas Boise State only adds football and a boring market that's growing. Sam Diego State isn't too bad though, they may be the best G5 left in terms of bringing quite a bit to the table, but that's it
You guys are looking at this all wrong - if we look at population of states where Pac 12 schools operate you have 68 million people, minus the 14 or so from LA area - the Pac10 sits at 54 million. Skinny it to say 45 or 50 million - so if everything is eyes on sets during football season we have 10 teams at an average of 5 million people per team! I struggled with the total population of Big12, so to be fair I put at similar to Pac10 per team of about 5 million people (average in each local market). Now my very simple example really shows that if the Pac10 is similar to population of people as Big12 schools then the REVENUE in a new TV contract is likely to be the same, which is exactly why the Pac10 will not look to merging with any other conference ... right now. Obviously, this is a really simplistic example and the gurus at Fox and Espn have formulas and real life data to make a hard $$ decision on TV contracts. I believe at the end of the day the "average" Pac10 team will have similar or even the same annual revenue as the "average" Big12 team ... so why punish everyone with grueling travel schedules, etc with a merger ... plain and simple - playoff potential ...
@@dacokc Low, really low, super low ... but there is a formula there somewhere that Fox/ESPN use so there is some value ... there are a lot of transplants in CA who watch college football, just probably not a huge amount of CA school fans.
Big 12 over Pac 12 for sure BUT the Pac 12 has five advantages FOR NOW 1. Washington and Oregon 2. Three top 16 markets vs two for the Big 12 3. Academics 4. Olympic Sports 5. More geographically compact
How do you figure only two of 16 markets markets in the Big 12? Which two are you counting 🤔 Kansas City Dallas Fort Worth Houston San Antonio Austin El Paso Along with viewers from: Half of New Mexico Half of Oklahoma Half of Iowa all of Kansas Part of Florida Cincinnati Half of Utah Salt Lake City ...then, if Big 12 takes Phoneix, Colorado, and the rest of Utah, which is likely 🤔 Pretty Strong 💪 ✨️
@@nathanjm000 Totally understood, I have also been told cities with NFL teams are not great college football followers. There are tons of tv market charts, but it seems anyone can pick a particular one to push their own narrative. Honestly, it seems who is HOT recently, like Clemson, or Baylor. I remember not a decade ago when those teams were afterthoughts. I wish you the best!!
I can tell you who will be constantly losing in football, Texas and UCLA. Kansas won at Texas last season in Austin. Let Texas go to the SEC and not be bowl eligible. As for realignment all about football, another joke. Participation is in decline likely due to parents, smart parents not wanting to see their sons die of CTE in their 30's and older. The game of football is very thrilling to watch but you know the racial equity social justice mob will end up crushing CFB. That's why I put more emphasis on college basketball long term
Why are they (and John Kutz) so obsessed over the PAC 12? You're the new Big 12. You're stabilized. Go out and get your contract and play football. Why are you always comparing yourselves to the lowly PAC 12? It makes you sound insecure that you're so obsessed about the national media's opinions.
can't disagree. The pac has the same options that teh big 12 has. If the big10 and sec decide to go to 20 teams. Then they will come knocking. Until that point. All these remaining members can do is stablize their situation. and play ball. Simple truth is Pac and big 12 aren't winning chips anytime soon.
Nate, you mean John Kurtz. If you are going to trash somebody, at least spell his name correctly. The Pac 10 without USC and UCLA are equivalent to the Big 12 without UT and OU. They just need to add a few schools, like the Big 12 did. Denver, Seattle, and the Bay Area are still much bigger TV markets than those in the new-look Big 12. Before you say Houston, that TV market is shared with A&M, UT, and OU, who have many, many fans in Houston.
@@freeisalwaysme If the Pac 12 and the Big 12 were smart, they would merge. But both have an ego and want to be the top dog controlling a merge of the conferences.
@@sarahmccoy1941 What are you talking about? I never trashed anyone. Read my original comment. And what are you rambling about? What about Houston? All I said was Big 12 is in a great position and to stop worrying about the national narrative. Geez.
Just stop!!! You guys are the definition of living in a bubble and being clueless to perspective and a larger outlook on things. Your bias towards one conference is great to get an audience but journalistically is sad.
Some of us in the Big12 are happy to hear positive talk about our conference when so many other news outlets just reported constantly negative stuff on the Big12..
The only advantage the Big 12 has is having UT and Ou stay in the conference until July of 2025. Other than that, they are pretty much the same. The Pac 12 needs to add San Diego State and Fresno to regain a little of the LA market they have lost. If will take more than the addition of Colorado, and the two Arizona schools to bolster the Big 12.
What exactly does UT add to Big 12 football? They're a laughing stock. This has been OU's minus the years Baylor won the title. OU will be missed. Not Texas though I concede Texas brings revenue due to their sheer size and t-shirt fans.
PAC is a much better conference than the B12. Better cities, campuses and stadiums to travel to. Conferences ebb and flow. The ACC was down a few years back. The B12 was down when CU and NU left. Both came back up. Everyone wants to bury the PAC because it’s been down recently and two average SoCal schools left. Let’s not forget some nationally competitive teams exist recently and in the past. Oregon. Washington. Stanford was good and has a Heisman with Luck. Utah is good right now. WSU under leach was good at times. I’d rather watch a match up of Pac12 teams at Colorado, or Oregon, or Stanford, or ASU stadiums than either Kansas school or Iowa or Baylor/Waco. The Big12 just lost its two largest and marquee programs. No way the Big 12 is the better conference longterm.
These guys use a lot of words to not say anything. Funny how they say they are giving FACTS but only give homer OPINION... Try again, fellas... Oh, and look again what Conference has the most Championships overall... I will give you 2 guesses... SMH
Big 12 please get ASU & U of A. I live in AZ & the Pac 12 have always thought they are above schools. I'm so sick of them.
UA football sucks. It would just be adding another Kansas.
@@freeisalwaysme what do they have in common with KU? A top notch basketball team. Yeah, their football program isn't good but there are other ways to butter your bread. U of A and ASU to the Big 12 would be great for all parties involved.
I'm in Scottsdale and a Big XII fan, PLEASE, get the AZ schools!
The Phoenix market is great, grab Utah, CU, for SLC and Denver and you have big gains.
@@kingbaldwiniv5409 I'm a Big 12 fan too, attended school at KSU from '93 to '98 and now live near Apache Creek Wilderness area...it would be awesome to see the Big 12 expand to include the schools you mentioned. Really hope this works out!
UA alumn. I agree.
Appreciate all your podcasts on the Big 12 and Realignment!!
I love how these guys are respectful of every big12 team. These dudes are great.
They are a Baylor vlog. Naturally they want to say nice things about the Big 12. More clicks.
Lifelong OU fan here. I think a lot of Sooner fans will still follow the Big 12 and I know for sure that I will continue to follow and watch Big12 football. I also think a lot of Sooner fans are also fans of OK State. It's not the heated rivalry like OU vs Texas because OU pretty much owns OSU in football. Not saying it's not a great rivalry, or isn't an important rivalry, but its hard to have animosity toward a team OU has consistently beat for a century. Also being from Oklahoma I just love the state of Oklahoma and root for all of our college teams and I think a lot of college fans here in Oklahoma feel that way. Also I think people like to root for underdogs and the Big12 is kind of an underdog in the new College football landscape. I have always and will continue to be a fan of the Big12 and root for their success.
KU fan here thanks for your views best of luck. Many in Kansas cheered for OU in bowls games and championship games.
Nick Gordon- KSU Alum here- You can spin it any way you wish - Your school is still a traitor, no matter what you say. I look forward to '25, when I can say good riddance to the over-inflated and arrogant egos of both traitors.
@@jackernst612 I don't blame the fans of the other schools for feeling that way. I am going to miss the regional match ups and rivalries. I think that is a big part of what has made college football special. But let's be honest, any other school would have done the exact same thing. If the BIG10 or SEC called KSU tomorrow they would leave in a heartbeat. Sadly it's all about the $ nowadays. Let's face it though, OU has been carrying the torch for the BIG12 for over 2 decades. OU and Texas are one of the main reasons KSU and other schools have been able to bring in the revenue they have. And thats not a slight or a knock against anyone, its just facts. A big part of me wishes that OU wouldn't have left because it's like Kevin Durant leaving the Thunder to join the 73 win GS Warriors. Can't beat em, join em. And that doesnt sit right with me. But at the end of the day, why they did it makes a lot of sense from a business and visibility standpoint. The SEC undoubtedly puts OU and Texas in a prime position to bring in substantially more money and to recruit at a higher level than they have been able to previously being in the Big12. Maybe if the NIL rules hadn't been implemented none of this even happens. Again, I understand why the teams left behind may be bitter. I will still root for the Big12 to be a successful and relevant conference.
If anyone else leaves the Pac 12 then Cal and Stanford will be the next teams to go. The Bay Area market is big - 6th in the country - and will allow alumni to see their team once a year. Plus the bay is a large recruitment hub.
I would think USC and UCLA would want Stanford and Cal as it would help cut down on travel time and preserve some lesser acknowledged rivalries.
I don’t think anyone else from the Pac is going to the B1G and as much as I want them to, no one from the Big12 will join the SEC. if they wanted them they would’ve taken them already.
I do think Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, Both AZ schools, Colorado and Notre Dame will join the Big12
Go look up views for cal, NO they add nothing, nobody around there cares much about football anymore, much less cal. Can't even fill half the stadium, they add nothing
Throw in Oregon and you have a nice B1G pacific pod.
@@Joe_BROgan Cal adds location, and a chance to recruit an area the BIG12 doesn’t recruit well. Oregon ST, Washington St, and Utah are the only remaining Pac teams that have nothing to offer the Big12 but would be nice additions to the MWC.
I agree. CAL and UCLA have very close ties. CAL football brand is weak but their academic brand is super strong. I doubt USC wants Oregon. Stanford and CAL won't diminish USC but Oregon has so I think bringing Oregon into BIG is a bad move. The PAC suffered because Oregon overshadowed USC. The BIG wants USC to return to blue-blood status so Oregon is out.
Arizona State is probably Exhibit 1 as to how little of a commitment to football facilities exists in the PAC 12. Sun Devil Stadium felt outdated in the late 1980s when the Cardinals moved from St Louis. Hopefully a move to the Big 12 will at least motivate someone in Tempe to at least upgrade the stadium.
omg. another clueless person. 4 or 5 years they totally revamped the stadium in over $250M in improvements... learn to read!!!
@@keyesnm I wasn't aware of that and I had heard differently from ASU fans.
Trips to Lubbock, Waco, Stillwater, Manhattan KS, Lawrence KS, Ames IA....travel nightmares.... vs easy trips to awesome places like SF Bay Area (especially Palo Alto), Seattle, San Diego (assumes SDSU), Las Vegas (assumes UNLV), Phoenix.... Big Advantage: PAC12
Obviously you have visited Waco, Stillwater, Manhattan, Lawrence and Ames. LOL
“What do they do around here for fun?” “Oh, probably sit around and watch the paint rust on cars...”
Think of all the money you’ll save
Yet most the stadiums in the Big12 are full come game day even though the easier to travel to PAC 12 stadiums are not to capacity..
with empty stadiums...
@@sarahmccoy1941 what exactly do you need for entertainment following a football game? A ski resort? A beach?… plenty of bar districts in every Big12 college town.
SDSU TO THE PAC
The Big 12 should contact the major media network managers now and work a deal similar to the Big 10 by going after Oregon and Washington, Az. and Stanford. They should tell Utah and ASU to stay tuned.
Oregon came on about the same time as KState in the 90’s and only has a slightly higher outcome over the last 25 years. Truth.
Haha, good one 🤣
Looks like you have been hitting the pipe with Hunter Biden...
Slightly higher outcome? You can’t be serious. How many to 5 final rankings has KSU won? How many January Bowl games has KSU won? How many National championships has KSU played in?
They are nowhere near Oregons level. That’s such a ridiculous claim.
Trust me, I like K state, but let’s be realistic.
Stewart Mandel lives in Sunnyvale California so he does live in the Bay Area just north of San Jose.
You guys are awesome. Great top 5. Stuff the anti big 12, sec and big10 only, pro espn fans don't want to hear. Great there are more fans and more teams outside of the sec and big10 than in the big10 and sec.
Biggest question is, the la schools are gone who would they bring in to help stabilize? The big 12 had Cincinnati in the playoffs, BYU and UCF have been good and Houston with the market, the PAC 12 have San Diego state and maybe Boise state? Is that really enough
Why is everyone so enamored with Lincoln Riely? He won with QBs that he inherited and transferred in--but didn't look very good with his first real team that he recruited.
Exactly he only recruited 1 highschool QB and he did not do that good. Caleb Williams wasn't as good as he was hyped up to be either
They didn’t look good at all last year. The fact that Tulane gave them all that they could handle spoke volumes to me.
@@tohaz I mean they still won 10 games but I'm with you Riley is being very hyped up right now. He's a good coach no doubt but he is not a top coach right now. I can name several coaches I'd put over him
We just need to see what he can do before anointing him as the End-All, Be-All that some in the media have tried to make him out to be.
@@tohaz agreed
Great top 5!
Wtf are you talking about at 2:30? PAC has evolved and been around in some form since 1917, has the most national championships of any conference across all sports
Up here in the PNW many bars don't have the Pac 12 network.
That is true. I'm a KU alum who lives in the Seattle area, and I'm surprised at how few bars have the Pac 12 network.
idk never heard of PNW...
@@davidlemons5650 pnw is pacific northwest
@@Montfortracing Thanks I was thinking it might be the PAC 12 Network.
TV money numbers from ESPN will be a joke. Time for the 4 corner schools plus Oregon and Washington to jump to the BIG 12. Snooty Stanford and Cal can go to rhe Big 10...if they'll have them. Wash State and Oregon State to the Mountsin West. RIP Pac 12.
You sure about that?
USC is the bigger national football brand but UCLA is a bigger global brand overall. I enjoy this radio show but I think the announcers are overlooking the value of UCLA. Stanford is another global brand in general athletics and academics that reaches beyond the nation.
Note: this was 3 days ago and LOTS has changed.
The PAC 12 has the best logo and that’s about it
Utah is the biggest brand the big 12 can get doubt oregon and washington will goo but utah would be huge they are and are becoming a power
Punctuation and capitalization are your friends. I promise.
Oregon is a bigger brand than Utah. Just because the Utes beat Oregon twice last year doesn't mean all of a sudden Utah is a bigger brand
@@Montfortracing read what i said numb nuts i said cuz they cant get oregon or washington
Yeah. Utah has had a few good years. That doesn't make them a big brand. Outside of Utah, nope.
@@elche1976 Even in Utah they really are the second biggest "brand".
These Big 12 homers are hilarious.
Facts: the Big 12 has already been PAC 12’ved before it happened to the PAC 12. There is now only a Power 3, and it’s the ACC, not the Big 12, who must decide whether to expand or be relegated.
If PAC add G5 schools no diff than B12 adding G5 schools.
Except the Big 12 already added the best G5 schools last year. One of the big differences between UCF, Cincy, BYU, Houston and the other G5 schools that the Pac 12 could add is academics. San Diego State and Boise State are not as good academically as BYU or UofH. Also, the four new teams to the Big 12 add more than just football, whereas Boise State only adds football and a boring market that's growing. Sam Diego State isn't too bad though, they may be the best G5 left in terms of bringing quite a bit to the table, but that's it
OMG, did 365 sports just admit that the Longhorn Network wasn’t all that bad?!
You guys are looking at this all wrong - if we look at population of states where Pac 12 schools operate you have 68 million people, minus the 14 or so from LA area - the Pac10 sits at 54 million. Skinny it to say 45 or 50 million - so if everything is eyes on sets during football season we have 10 teams at an average of 5 million people per team! I struggled with the total population of Big12, so to be fair I put at similar to Pac10 per team of about 5 million people (average in each local market). Now my very simple example really shows that if the Pac10 is similar to population of people as Big12 schools then the REVENUE in a new TV contract is likely to be the same, which is exactly why the Pac10 will not look to merging with any other conference ... right now. Obviously, this is a really simplistic example and the gurus at Fox and Espn have formulas and real life data to make a hard $$ decision on TV contracts. I believe at the end of the day the "average" Pac10 team will have similar or even the same annual revenue as the "average" Big12 team ... so why punish everyone with grueling travel schedules, etc with a merger ... plain and simple - playoff potential ...
and what percentage of people in California actually watch college football?
@@dacokc Low, really low, super low ... but there is a formula there somewhere that Fox/ESPN use so there is some value ... there are a lot of transplants in CA who watch college football, just probably not a huge amount of CA school fans.
Pac12 should just take the whimsical path. The path less taken. Say the PAC12. More to to gain in the long run. CATS!
Life long Okie Resident..there are no OU fans really in this State..not a joke...I'm serious..cmon man!
Big 12 has nothing compared to oregon or Washington
Baylor...stop
8:55 you guys are right
Pac 12 sucks
Big 12 over Pac 12 for sure BUT the Pac 12 has five advantages FOR NOW
1. Washington and Oregon
2. Three top 16 markets vs two for the Big 12
3. Academics
4. Olympic Sports
5. More geographically compact
How do you figure only two of 16 markets markets in the Big 12? Which two are you counting 🤔
Kansas City
Dallas
Fort Worth
Houston
San Antonio
Austin
El Paso
Along with viewers from:
Half of New Mexico
Half of Oklahoma
Half of Iowa
all of Kansas
Part of Florida
Cincinnati
Half of Utah Salt Lake City
...then, if Big 12 takes Phoneix, Colorado, and the rest of Utah, which is likely 🤔
Pretty Strong 💪 ✨️
@@davidlemons5650 I just looked up US market sizes which isn’t a great indicator of fanbases
@@nathanjm000 Totally understood, I have also been told cities with NFL teams are not great college football followers.
There are tons of tv market charts, but it seems anyone can pick a particular one to push their own narrative. Honestly, it seems who is HOT recently, like Clemson, or Baylor. I remember not a decade ago when those teams were afterthoughts. I wish you the best!!
I can tell you who will be constantly losing in football, Texas and UCLA. Kansas won at Texas last season in Austin. Let Texas go to the SEC and not be bowl eligible. As for realignment all about football, another joke. Participation is in decline likely due to parents, smart parents not wanting to see their sons die of CTE in their 30's and older. The game of football is very thrilling to watch but you know the racial equity social justice mob will end up crushing CFB. That's why I put more emphasis on college basketball long term
TTU OSU BU TCU vs Stan UW UO CU plus AZ schools IDK add sdsu and fresno lets play. Next Top 5 reasons pac 12 has won more rose bowls then bigten.
If Lincoln Riley stay's and USC wins the the national championship. Then just stay the PAC-10.
Why are they (and John Kutz) so obsessed over the PAC 12? You're the new Big 12. You're stabilized. Go out and get your contract and play football. Why are you always comparing yourselves to the lowly PAC 12? It makes you sound insecure that you're so obsessed about the national media's opinions.
can't disagree. The pac has the same options that teh big 12 has. If the big10 and sec decide to go to 20 teams. Then they will come knocking. Until that point. All these remaining members can do is stablize their situation. and play ball. Simple truth is Pac and big 12 aren't winning chips anytime soon.
Nate, you mean John Kurtz. If you are going to trash somebody, at least spell his name correctly.
The Pac 10 without USC and UCLA are equivalent to the Big 12 without UT and OU. They just need to add a few schools, like the Big 12 did.
Denver, Seattle, and the Bay Area are still much bigger TV markets than those in the new-look Big 12. Before you say Houston, that TV market is shared with A&M, UT, and OU, who have many, many fans in Houston.
@@freeisalwaysme If the Pac 12 and the Big 12 were smart, they would merge. But both have an ego and want to be the top dog controlling a merge of the conferences.
Kill or be killed. We want to see PAC 12 killed.. it makes our own survival more likely.
@@sarahmccoy1941 What are you talking about? I never trashed anyone. Read my original comment. And what are you rambling about? What about Houston?
All I said was Big 12 is in a great position and to stop worrying about the national narrative. Geez.
Just stop!!! You guys are the definition of living in a bubble and being clueless to perspective and a larger outlook on things. Your bias towards one conference is great to get an audience but journalistically is sad.
Some of us in the Big12 are happy to hear positive talk about our conference when so many other news outlets just reported constantly negative stuff on the Big12..
@@dacokc Lies do tend to keep idiots comfortable... ;)
This is like talking about who is the tallest midget
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The only advantage the Big 12 has is having UT and Ou stay in the conference until July of 2025.
Other than that, they are pretty much the same.
The Pac 12 needs to add San Diego State and Fresno to regain a little of the LA market they have lost.
If will take more than the addition of Colorado, and the two Arizona schools to bolster the Big 12.
What exactly does UT add to Big 12 football? They're a laughing stock. This has been OU's minus the years Baylor won the title. OU will be missed. Not Texas though I concede Texas brings revenue due to their sheer size and t-shirt fans.
It is about TV viewers, or so I was told.
PAC is a much better conference than the B12. Better cities, campuses and stadiums to travel to. Conferences ebb and flow. The ACC was down a few years back. The B12 was down when CU and NU left. Both came back up. Everyone wants to bury the PAC because it’s been down recently and two average SoCal schools left. Let’s not forget some nationally competitive teams exist recently and in the past. Oregon. Washington. Stanford was good and has a Heisman with Luck. Utah is good right now. WSU under leach was good at times. I’d rather watch a match up of Pac12 teams at Colorado, or Oregon, or Stanford, or ASU stadiums than either Kansas school or Iowa or Baylor/Waco. The Big12 just lost its two largest and marquee programs. No way the Big 12 is the better conference longterm.
The west coast does not care about college sports. With the LA market gone, it’ll be even more so.
Oregon and Washington are gone once BIGTen finally gives them the invite..
@@dacokc What makes you think they would leave?
@@juanderwear that’s the dumbest thing anyone has said to me in a long time.
@@MogulFarmer IF Oregon and Washington get an invite to the Big Ten they aren’t sticking around in the PAC12 to make 1/2 the revenue..
These guys use a lot of words to not say anything. Funny how they say they are giving FACTS but only give homer OPINION... Try again, fellas... Oh, and look again what Conference has the most Championships overall... I will give you 2 guesses... SMH
The obsession continues