Can you imagine how awesome a trilogy could have been made for episodes 7-9 if they were done by someone who actually cared about Star Wars. It breaks my heart just thinking about the missed opportunities and the way Disney portrayed Luke..
Since I didn't first watch Star Wars as a 8 years old, I have never been found of Luke's Marysueish persona. So I loved that in ep 8 at last he was portrayed as a real character, and not just a bland self-insert. Rian Johnson cares a lot about Star Wars, and it shows.
@@Montbiveau Its not fair to call him a Mary Sue. Vader slapped him around on Bespin and the Emperor would have killed him if Vader hadn't intervened in ROTJ. Compare that to Rey, who won her very first lightsaber fight with no training at all. Luke didn't have anything resembling absolute power. What he had was absolute faith in his friends and family until Rian Johnson came along.
@@sdaniels7114 In the second lightsaber fight of his life and with no prior duel training, Luke curbstomps Vader, one of the most adept of an order of fighters who trained daily from infancy. Even the younglings were more trained than him, and more qualified to manage that feat. Rey's achievements don't even come close, and she also gets her ass handed to her on regular basis. Plus she is shown as having prior experience in melee from having grown on a crapsack world, which is no more ridiculous than Luke becoming an instant ace pilot thanks to his experience at agricultural vehicles and shooting rats. And TFA isn't even subtle about showing how Chewbacca's bowcaster shot is mostly responsible for Ren being put down, you even get foreshadowing with Han trying it out with devastating effect on an armored opponent. And finally, Ren isn't Vader, he isn't the final boss of the story, far from it. He is a miror antagonist, talented but still learning in parallel to the protagonists, kind of like Zuko in the first season of the last Airbender. Being (barely) defeated somewhat early doesn't betray the function of the character. I like grumpy old Luke, first time he was interesting in my eyes, and not just some bland author insert. Nobody ever complained that 800 years old Yoda got bitter and hid in a swamp in the last years of his life after having failed and lost everything.
The challenge I see with the Ahsoka theory is she would have been faced with a Luke filled with fear and confusion after learning who his father was, and we saw how she responded to the idea of her training Grogu later. If she had a success with Luke, I don't know that she would have been so reluctant later.
I think Ahsoka is the one who planted all those Jedi thoughts about attachments and so on into Luke's mind. Which leads him to repeat the same mistake in Disney Canon.
counter argument - This is the son of your master, the person that brought Vader back from the dark side before his death. Im not sure she would see him the same way after that
Unless she felt Luke was “fearful” of training Grogu therefore it became a challenge for him to overcome and face, the same reason Yoda made Obi Wan train Anakin, so it would develop Obi Wan more as well and Luke could reconnect with the history of the jedi from Grogu.
While I could see this happening. The question would be how? Palpatine was no where near Padme when she was on Mustafar or when she died. And if he could somehow drain her life force from across the galaxy. That would make him so powerful he wouldn't have needed to use order 66 or take on Anakin as an apprentice. He could easily do it all himself and not have to worry about anyone uprising against him.
@@invaderjae sidius was able to cast force storms which is 1 of the most powerful Sith abilities from across the galaxy albeit not that strong so if he knows force drain he could easily drain a single human that’s not force sensitive but it’s unlikely
The movie all but spells it out for us, we see Padme dying without reason while Vader hangs on by a tread... (I dont think it has to be Palpatine but the events a clearly related... They are interwoven in the movie for **** sake)
@@invaderjae not needing order 66 to murder ALL the Jedi is vastly different than hyper focusing on a single non force sensitive person to drain there life force. Not saying I agree with it, but she was also unconscious for him to do it
Thinking it was Ahsoka who helped and trained Luke to transform him from the person we saw in ESB to the Jedi Master we saw in ROTJ all this time is too good to be true.
@@lookingforwookiecopilot hmmm... Yeah. Good point. However, Ahsoka being alive and not playing a role in ROTJ is very weird, too. I think that's worse than the plot whole of the training, given that Luke already knew the basics and in the end wasn't stronger than Vader in a pure skill way. But that's just a question of individual taste I guess.
@@mistasomen Wasn't stronger than Vader? Luke totally kicked his ass all through that duel. Anyway, like it or not, she's the only option we have for ever filling that hole.
Ilum is not Yoda's home planet.... Ahsoka training Luke is something I have pondered for a long time myself. Once I watched her leave the Jedi in Clone wars I wondered it and with her return in not only Mando but how well she improved from her leaving the Jedi to her appearance in Season 7 of Clone Wars it is not to hard to see just how powerful she is and will become not as a Jedi, not as a Sith but maybe just maybe as a return of the true Je'daii in time. Her training Luke would go a long way in filling in things for both of them.
This is probably more than just a fan theory, but Jannah as Lando's daughter is supported by the books. In Adam Christopher's book Star Wars: Shadows of the Sith, Lando's young daughter was kidnapped, and Jannah was introduced in Rise of Skywalker as a former Stormtrooper who deserted the First Order. The novelization of Rise of Skywalker all but confirms that Lando is her father.
The only problem I see with the Grogu theory is that you never see him or even hear of him in any of the future movies or lore meaning he is either dead or just not involved. If Palpatine comes back as he does in the force awakens why is Grogu MIA?
Consider that ahsoka is shoved into every property (I'm slightly surprised she hasn't somehow appeared in the high republic era) I'd be surprised if she didn't train luke at some point. It would also make some sense as her character just disappeared during the events of the original trilogy but why wouldn't she stay with luke? Plus she'd only be training him for a very short while, a lot of the gap between ESB and ROTJ has already been filled.
It then causes a huge hole in mando because she flat out rejected grogu because of his attachment and Luke was prone to using his anger my guess is maybe someone like Quin lin vos who we know survived order 66 from the kenobi series he would’ve been a more likely candidate
The problem with anyone training Luke after Yoda is why weren’t they with him when he took on Vader and the Emperor. Even Yoda in his prime would not have taken them both on. Only Luke could have as he was able to sway Vader.
Stormtroopers are not clones, it is clearly stated in the force awakens. Finn is not a child, it was his first tactical engagement because he was in sanitation before. Its like you didn't watch the film.
@@ooldmkaSure in the period between the prequels and the just after the original triligy The clones would have died a few years after due to their advanced ageing. I think in the case of TFA the stormtroopers are not clones but conscripts and or stolen children. There is a line of dialogue where there is mention of whether they should have created a clone army due to their failure on Jakku at the beginning.
I like the idea of Ahsoka training Luke -because of the implications of something else that would trigger Star Wars Theory- because it shows that the Dooku-Gin-Kenobi-Skywalker-Tano line continued and impacted how the new Jedi Order would be shaped.
I hate it because it continues to put a previously insignificant character at the centre of everything. Not everyone needs to be someone, and not every event needs to be tied up with a handful of characters.
No however I can see the two Jedi doing some procreation (even if only artificial) if their species is endangered. There is got to be a reason why their species is so unknown. And if they are from Ilum, then surely we would have heard of them, unless they are nearly all dead. If they made an exceptio for Mundi then they would make an exception for these two. Plus Windu also pointed out the care for the last(s) of a species with the Zilo Beast.
@@SchultzDorinda There was no rule for Jedi to have, sex, with each other. The rule simply stated they couldn't form attachments. However, Jedi did and were having fun with each other. This is one I was going to address to the video here but shall here instead. Had Anakin simply came out and admitted he had a wife with children, it seems like that Yoda and some of the Masters wouldn't have exiled him. In fact, they likely done everything to protect Padme, because they would have known that she was carrying some future powerful Jedi. And because there is no rule again Anakin having sexual with another, only attachments emotionally, and because lore states the ancient Jedi did indeed have families, they would have made an exception here, because they would see it as a: "Bring Balance to the Force." The Jedi were bad at many actions, sending children into exile wasnt one of them. They had no say in their being borne and Jedi would have understood this. Also, Padme was a Senator and had background knowledge of how to deal with a Senate, and liked the Jedi and helped them before, they werent going to throw away an Allie.
I never felt anyone trained Luke. His decision to face, and ultimately survive uncorrupted, the 2nd most powerful sith in the galaxy jumped his training to the end. Yoda saw that shit and went "I guess I have nothing more to teach him". Luke was a honors student that skipped a few grades, and Vader was his final exam, counting for half his grade
You can see JarJar's eye's real focused, I'd say that one is a intended but never used sub plot/plot twist, that would have floored people to find out that clown was playing Brutus, But he was so unpopular, he was like someone was making a mockery of Star Wars. Had to be forgotten.
Lmao I’ve always thought the reason Darth Vader stopped Luke from killing the emperor was because he didn’t want Luke to join the Dark Side. I’ve never even considered it was because he was protecting palpatine.
It all depends on what is canon. If the comic books are canon, then a lot happened between Ep.5 and Ep.6, possibly a few years worth of stuff. Luke may have met and been trained by Ahsoka during that time.
Interesting, I thought from the thumbnail the point would be that Ahsoka trained Luke after Return of the Jedi, helping fill in the gaps and bring him to Master level.
The force creating grogu as a counter to anakin doesn't make sense, as after the empire fell grogu was still not able to actually use the force and was still a child. Why would the force pick someone who wouldn't be ready to deal with darth vader until decades after the fall of anakin? This would also go against any other reactions from the force, anakin being a reaction to palpatine (and the jedi's corruption), rey being a reaction to kylo and in legends you have bastila and revan and the hero of tython and the sith emperor. Grogu being a reaction of the force doesn't make any sense. Maybe yoda, as a failed reaction to the rule of two, with him reaching his prime when the sith's plan reaches its endgame, only to instead lead the jedi into a weaker order that is to closely tied to the corrupt senete rather than the people and the force, but grogu makes no sense unless it is in response to something that cones after the sequels (which wouldn't be the sith cause they're gone for good and rey should rebuild the jedi order as it was before the clone wars era, so the likelihood of a dark jedi is rarer), so the threat is unlikely to be force based.
As much as I find the Ahsoka Tano theory fascinating, I just cannot believe that it can hold water for even a second! In ANH (A New Hope), Obi-Wan started Luke on the path of the Jedi. In ANH's sequel, ESB (Empire Strikes Back), Obi-Wan's Force ghost ''vision'' told Luke to go to Dagobah. There, the young rebel would learn from Yoda.
@@YavorM-Yash Luke was on Dagobah for as long as it took the Falcon to go from Hoth to Cloud City on a single tank of gas. Three days is just a guess, but I seriously doubt it'd be any longer.
@mikajenkins8347 - Yes, I agree, regarding the Darth Jar Jar theory. However, you do have to agree that it was Jar Jar that gave Sidious his powers as The Supreme Chancellor.
Finn's reaction to war and having to kill is most likely the truest reaction in those movies. He likely considered war great before he was in one and then...omg people die for real? We have many cases of Soldiers from WWI and WWII who reacted same. After experiencing they learn to deal with it and were fine, but not all. many attempted to do what Finn did. So, based on this, I saw Finn has the most real personality in these movies. Canon and Lore wise, we have an understanding of how Luke was trained. Now granted, Disney could change that in a second. So far though, She had no part in Lukes training in person wise. However, Luke did have texts and data from her era and she likely did write stuff and left records. Her opinions, her thoughts, and her fears would be a part of that and he may have had that. So, I will give that she may have had an indirect help in his training. But not a direct one.
Another I shall reply: Lucas stated once that Yoda species are rare and a mystery. He wished to keep it that way. However, we do get some hints here. There are not many of his people around, and those that are known, were very old. From this can guess his species. They are nearly extinct, from what we hear in the Mandalorian, about "baby" Yoda:( Yes, I said it, sue me) This suggest he may even be the last of that species. Since, we have hints they are an ancient species, we assume their planet is also ancient. And best of all, we have an idea what environment Yoda was used to experiencing. I doubt he came from a freesing planet; he is short and smallish built. Meaning he likely evolved form a species that was used to hiding. A frosen world tends to make creatures larger not smaller. Earth last great ice age is an example. So where would he need to be to be tiny and smallish in built and we have it, the world he exiled too. Tropical and swamps. Perfect for smaller creatures survived in. So, it is likely his world was tropical and warm, not cold. However, there is also another possibility, because he is short, he could come from a planet with less oxygen. The reason animals got so large on Earth was it had much more oxygen at that period-this wasnt a good thing, mind you. However, he is short so we have to assume a few factors, he was on a world, without a lot oxygen to get bigger, he also was on a world less wet, but much warmer (This would explain why he could handle the cold in the video, his body would been from world much warmer and had developed the ability to hand harsh environments). At the end of all, I can say: He came from a dying planet, it was likely once tropical and wet, but by time of Yoda was very warm and dry, a desert planet. And his species was likely just hanging on, surviving as best they could. Since Yoda is ancient in age, it is possible that the rest of his species were gone, with an exception, that allowed them access to rest of Galaxy. "Baby" Yoda may very well be correct, it could very well be his child. The last of them all.
correction tho, the KTSO droid line is seen later in the time, night of thousand tears on mando is years after rogue one, and possible after ep6 or right before, hard to say, we do know it is after ep4, well ahsoka training luke thing could be long debate- anakin trained her, fell, she finished luke training and he took vader down, and he was full of feelings/emotions, so would she has issiues with grogu?? and the lines in cannon "to finish my training with an old friend" and hers "master luke", so like said many many debates could pop out of this
not sure if it was sith or dark side powers but, but if you watch any movie or show, for everyone in the senate to all agree on something, something powerful was happening
One of my own theories is that Grogu is actually baby Yoda. In The Mandalorian he's a baby but at some point he'll go back hundreds of years in time by way of the "World between Worlds" and become Jedi Grand Master Yoda.
I am not one who likes to poke holes in fan theories as really any of them could be true until canon says otherwise, but this theory would have to add a further hypothetical that either by going back in time or through some other traumatic event, Grogu would have to have forgotten everything he knows about Anakin, Palpatine, the Empire's rise, etc...or else he intentionally allowed Anakin to turn to the dark side and allowed the destruction of the Jedi.
@@noahbaerveldt8162 Maybe. But do you remember everything that happened to you as a baby? Yoda was 900 years old when he died, plenty of time to forget things. Or, he did in fact know about Anakin, Palpatine, the rise of the Empire and the fall of the Republic, but believing that changing the future was impossible by way of what he knew in the Force, he went along with what he perceived as destiny. He therefore allowed things to unfold as he perceived them. Instead of going against Palpatine in Ep.1 he let things play out.
Whether true or not, the Ahsoka training Luke theory would be fitting in with the lore of the Sequel Trilogy - inasmuch as, like everything else of interest in that trilogy, it happened off-screen. How did the First Order come about? It happened off-screen and you just didn't see it. What's Finn's backstory? It happened off-screen and you just didn't see it. How did Snoke rise to power? It happened off-screen and you just didn't see it. How did Maz get hold of Luke's lightsaber? It happened off-screen and you just didn't see it. What caused Luke to turn against Kylo? It happened off-screen and you just didn't see it. How was Luke's jedi academy destroyed? It happened off-screen and you just didn't see it. How did the Knights of Renn emerge? It happened off-screen and you just didn't see it. How did Palpatine actually "come back"? It happened off-screen and you just didn't see it.
The training would have happened during the original trilogy, for Luke to become master… but I agree with all the points about the sequel not showing pretty much anything of interest
we saw the KX-series security droids (k2so droids) in jedi fallen order which is canon, so they are seen again in the timeline, and that game came out in 2019, 4 years before this video, so you should have known that
Vader saving Luke is a good theory. Because what if vader knew palpatine had the ability to project his consciousness?. He knew if palpatine took Luke's body the universe would be at stake, not just the galaxy. For context, in the vader comics we see palpatine show vader Exegol, snoke clones, etc. So what if vader thought that while palpatine was distracted and using force lightning, he wouldn't have the energy to project his consciousness, thus being the best time to strike down palpatine. (like George probably had planned if he accepts the projection of consciousness part) Food for thought
3:30 we do see more K2 driods in a flashback on Book of Boba Fett when we are given the history of what happened to Mandalore during the great Purge. K2 driods are seen causing destruction.
perhaps, mando will find one or two on his season3 travels, and takes it to the droid pub, and see what it saw, do think rebel's might have given us hints at yoda home, might be same as ezra home
A lot of these are debunked by canon lore already. Specifically anikins dad. It never directly says it, but Darth Plagieus is Anikins father. Read up on it because Anikin is basically Jesus to Plagieus being “god like” in a sense.
Um, considering the fact that Rise of Skywalker had Reylo share a passionate kiss before Ben Solo’s death, I hope Palpatine isn’t Anakin’s father. Then again, Leia smashed a passionate kiss onto Luke even though she admitted in Return of the Jedi that she had always known he was her brother.
Leia wasn't saying for sure that she knew Luke was her brother. She said that "somehow" she knew about it, but her face expression was of someone just realised what it was and until that moment wasn't sure about the feelings she had. About that kiss - she kissed Luke only to tease Han. And that's the only reason. Luke was the only other male in the room. I am really tired of people putting other meaning to it.
Darth Jar Jar: This is just dumb and I wish it would go away. It's a meme, not as theory. C-3PO also talks with his hands. So does Han. Does that mean everyone is a Sith Lord? Yoda from Ilum: There is absolutely nothing here. Nothing. This isn't even a theory. It's just something someone said and has no evidence to support it. Finn being a child: This just doesn't make any sense. He breaks on Jakku because he realizes the First Order is terrible, not because he's a child. This is just the moment we see him question things. Ausoka training Luke: At this point, I want Ahsoka to be killed off. She is the SINGLE MOST PIVOTAL character in all of Star Wars. She's the best Jedi, the best commander, she defeated Maul, she basically formed the Rebellion... For all the bitching and moaning people do about Rey being a Mary Sue, people sure forget that Ahoska is behind or involved in just about every pivotal event. Stop it. Stop making her an integral character when she wasn't.
Han Solo is force sensitive and was never discovered by the jedi due to the fall of the republic. I’ve always thought this because of his skills as a pilot, but those is also a scene in the force awakens when he shoots a storm trooper without looking
I have thought about that a lot but at some point, Force sensitivity should be a bit less common. And Han was born while the Republic was still able to find and train most Force sensitive children
Ugh. The Darth Jar Jar theory is stupid, ridiculous, and in no way makes any sense. What makes sense is what we see in canon, a naive character out of his depth being manipulated by Palpatine into giving him what he wants.
Starting at 9:34 you were leading up to saying Anakin was 9, and Luke was almost double that when he first learned about the Force. Luke was actually more than double; he was 19, not 17.
Killing Palpatine wouldn't have been Luke's cross to the Dark Side: Just attempting to, was. Luke DID cross to the Dark Side, which is what gave him the power to defeat Vader. However, Luke was able to CONTROL the Dark Side; THAT is why he, and not Anakin, is the Chosen One. Luke brought balance to the Force, by being able to use both aspects, without losing himself in the process.
I think darth plagus and palpatine tried to use the froce to create grogu a replica of yoda and to combat these the froce create anikin the chosen one to bring balance to the force
Ben and Yoda trained Luke, it's canon; I am sure she might have been able to impart some wisdom to him but not trained. Who was better than Obi and Yoda? LOL
No... what they need to do is retcon everything and make Ashoka the chosen one that trained Anakin.... And that it was the thought of her that made him kill the emperor... Not Luke.
It would make alot of sense if Ahsoka trained luke as *despite* what is shown in the live action. Ahsoka as shown in the animated series is not the dumb jedi shown in the mandalorian. She knows that attachment isn't a problem and would also encourage luke to see the good in Anakin. She had did the same and would note that while she cannot save his father, Luke can. Ahsoka's not only powerful and skilled, but also has learned from the mistakes of the jedi. (A fact the live action stuff seems to ignore entirely and has her act out of character. Fuck no attachments, Ahsoka would likely say that it was the rejection of attachment that lead to her master's downfall.)
See, I don't see Ahsoka training look at all. The interaction they had on screen made it seem like that was the first or MAYBE the second time they had met. Plus, Ahsoka had no want to train Grogu and didn't even consider herself a Jedi in the first place. So why would she train someone in the ways of the Jedi if she still didn't believe in it? Also, my GOD is the the Darth Jar Jar theory just stupid. It REALLY needs to go away. Jar Jar was just an annoying character made to sell toys.
I’ve never really cared for the “Darth Jar-Jar” theory. It just smacks too much of disgruntled fans trying to justify their dislike of a silly character by trying to imply “evil intent” when none is intended.
Can you imagine how awesome a trilogy could have been made for episodes 7-9 if they were done by someone who actually cared about Star Wars. It breaks my heart just thinking about the missed opportunities and the way Disney portrayed Luke..
Since I didn't first watch Star Wars as a 8 years old, I have never been found of Luke's Marysueish persona.
So I loved that in ep 8 at last he was portrayed as a real character, and not just a bland self-insert.
Rian Johnson cares a lot about Star Wars, and it shows.
@@Montbiveau Its not fair to call him a Mary Sue. Vader slapped him around on Bespin and the Emperor would have killed him if Vader hadn't intervened in ROTJ. Compare that to Rey, who won her very first lightsaber fight with no training at all. Luke didn't have anything resembling absolute power. What he had was absolute faith in his friends and family until Rian Johnson came along.
@@sdaniels7114 In the second lightsaber fight of his life and with no prior duel training, Luke curbstomps Vader, one of the most adept of an order of fighters who trained daily from infancy.
Even the younglings were more trained than him, and more qualified to manage that feat.
Rey's achievements don't even come close, and she also gets her ass handed to her on regular basis.
Plus she is shown as having prior experience in melee from having grown on a crapsack world, which is no more ridiculous than Luke becoming an instant ace pilot thanks to his experience at agricultural vehicles and shooting rats.
And TFA isn't even subtle about showing how Chewbacca's bowcaster shot is mostly responsible for Ren being put down, you even get foreshadowing with Han trying it out with devastating effect on an armored opponent.
And finally, Ren isn't Vader, he isn't the final boss of the story, far from it.
He is a miror antagonist, talented but still learning in parallel to the protagonists, kind of like Zuko in the first season of the last Airbender.
Being (barely) defeated somewhat early doesn't betray the function of the character.
I like grumpy old Luke, first time he was interesting in my eyes, and not just some bland author insert.
Nobody ever complained that 800 years old Yoda got bitter and hid in a swamp in the last years of his life after having failed and lost everything.
The challenge I see with the Ahsoka theory is she would have been faced with a Luke filled with fear and confusion after learning who his father was, and we saw how she responded to the idea of her training Grogu later. If she had a success with Luke, I don't know that she would have been so reluctant later.
Maybe she made an exception with Luke because Yoda himself trained him before
I think Ahsoka is the one who planted all those Jedi thoughts about attachments and so on into Luke's mind. Which leads him to repeat the same mistake in Disney Canon.
counter argument - This is the son of your master, the person that brought Vader back from the dark side before his death. Im not sure she would see him the same way after that
Unless she felt Luke was “fearful” of training Grogu therefore it became a challenge for him to overcome and face, the same reason Yoda made Obi Wan train Anakin, so it would develop Obi Wan more as well and Luke could reconnect with the history of the jedi from Grogu.
@@TheAnzamin she would have trained him before this… between episodes 5 and 6 to become a master. Not after 6 when he already was
"The must have been some force behind anakin's creation?" Yes, it was the force. The force was the force behind anakin.
I've always considered it to be true that Padme didn't die because of sadness. And that Palpatine drained her life force to revive Vader.
While I could see this happening. The question would be how? Palpatine was no where near Padme when she was on Mustafar or when she died. And if he could somehow drain her life force from across the galaxy. That would make him so powerful he wouldn't have needed to use order 66 or take on Anakin as an apprentice. He could easily do it all himself and not have to worry about anyone uprising against him.
@@invaderjae sidius was able to cast force storms which is 1 of the most powerful Sith abilities from across the galaxy albeit not that strong so if he knows force drain he could easily drain a single human that’s not force sensitive but it’s unlikely
The movie all but spells it out for us, we see Padme dying without reason while Vader hangs on by a tread... (I dont think it has to be Palpatine but the events a clearly related... They are interwoven in the movie for **** sake)
@@invaderjae not needing order 66 to murder ALL the Jedi is vastly different than hyper focusing on a single non force sensitive person to drain there life force. Not saying I agree with it, but she was also unconscious for him to do it
@@invaderjae sidious was a staunch rule of 2 sith was he not?
Thinking it was Ahsoka who helped and trained Luke to transform him from the person we saw in ESB to the Jedi Master we saw in ROTJ all this time is too good to be true.
No, it blows!
Imagine ROTJ knowing Ahsoka is alive somewhere in the background. Doesn't that tak out most of the stakes and magic out of the movie?
@@mistasomen Not even a little bit.
It would fill that plot hole that's always plagued ROTJ.
@@lookingforwookiecopilot hmmm... Yeah. Good point. However, Ahsoka being alive and not playing a role in ROTJ is very weird, too. I think that's worse than the plot whole of the training, given that Luke already knew the basics and in the end wasn't stronger than Vader in a pure skill way.
But that's just a question of individual taste I guess.
@@mistasomen Wasn't stronger than Vader? Luke totally kicked his ass all through that duel. Anyway, like it or not, she's the only option we have for ever filling that hole.
Ilum is not Yoda's home planet.... Ahsoka training Luke is something I have pondered for a long time myself. Once I watched her leave the Jedi in Clone wars I wondered it and with her return in not only Mando but how well she improved from her leaving the Jedi to her appearance in Season 7 of Clone Wars it is not to hard to see just how powerful she is and will become not as a Jedi, not as a Sith but maybe just maybe as a return of the true Je'daii in time. Her training Luke would go a long way in filling in things for both of them.
This is probably more than just a fan theory, but Jannah as Lando's daughter is supported by the books. In Adam Christopher's book Star Wars: Shadows of the Sith, Lando's young daughter was kidnapped, and Jannah was introduced in Rise of Skywalker as a former Stormtrooper who deserted the First Order. The novelization of Rise of Skywalker all but confirms that Lando is her father.
The only problem I see with the Grogu theory is that you never see him or even hear of him in any of the future movies or lore meaning he is either dead or just not involved. If Palpatine comes back as he does in the force awakens why is Grogu MIA?
RIP Grogu
Probably the same reason as Ahsoka is being written into every event.
Grogu was already a POW, clearly the metal ball make him remember the death star.
POW again in the future, or just hidding like Yoda..
Consider that ahsoka is shoved into every property (I'm slightly surprised she hasn't somehow appeared in the high republic era) I'd be surprised if she didn't train luke at some point. It would also make some sense as her character just disappeared during the events of the original trilogy but why wouldn't she stay with luke? Plus she'd only be training him for a very short while, a lot of the gap between ESB and ROTJ has already been filled.
Anakin was conceived as the Force's direct retaliation to Plagueis and Sidious killing and resurrecting Darth Venamis.
The Asokha trained Luke theory explains a lot! It flat out fixes one of the biggest problems with the original trilogy.
It then causes a huge hole in mando because she flat out rejected grogu because of his attachment and Luke was prone to using his anger my guess is maybe someone like Quin lin vos who we know survived order 66 from the kenobi series he would’ve been a more likely candidate
@@wkdxcrimex yes but training Luke was more necessary due to the Empire. Empire is dead in Mandalorian
I see no problem. Surviving Vader uncorrupted shot Luke to the head of the class. Yoda had nothing more to teach him
The problem with anyone training Luke after Yoda is why weren’t they with him when he took on Vader and the Emperor. Even Yoda in his prime would not have taken them both on. Only Luke could have as he was able to sway Vader.
No it doesn't. He obviously returned to Yoda efter the events of Empire Strikes Back.
I don’t think
Darth jarjar is just a theory. I thought this was originally the plot but G.L. Changed course after his character was hated?
These theories are fascinating, and totally plausible. If some of these are answered soon. Would be very interesting
They are not plausible.
Stormtroopers are not clones, it is clearly stated in the force awakens. Finn is not a child, it was his first tactical engagement because he was in sanitation before. Its like you didn't watch the film.
Not all stormtrooper aren't clones tho
@@ooldmkaSure in the period between the prequels and the just after the original triligy The clones would have died a few years after due to their advanced ageing. I think in the case of TFA the stormtroopers are not clones but conscripts and or stolen children. There is a line of dialogue where there is mention of whether they should have created a clone army due to their failure on Jakku at the beginning.
Vader wanted to literally rule the galaxy as father & son
Andor: reprograms one security droid
Empire: well they gotta go!
BD-1: am I a joke to you?
I like the idea of Ahsoka training Luke -because of the implications of something else that would trigger Star Wars Theory- because it shows that the Dooku-Gin-Kenobi-Skywalker-Tano line continued and impacted how the new Jedi Order would be shaped.
What problem do you nerds have with SWT?
@himynameischrisAVA none, I think his channel is great.
I hate it because it continues to put a previously insignificant character at the centre of everything. Not everyone needs to be someone, and not every event needs to be tied up with a handful of characters.
@@roadhouse6999 add yoda in that line !
Isn't it Jinn?
#4 Jedi didn't crave power. They wouldn't have purposely sought to create a Jedi who was more powerful
No however I can see the two Jedi doing some procreation (even if only artificial) if their species is endangered.
There is got to be a reason why their species is so unknown.
And if they are from Ilum, then surely we would have heard of them, unless they are nearly all dead.
If they made an exceptio for Mundi then they would make an exception for these two.
Plus Windu also pointed out the care for the last(s) of a species with the Zilo Beast.
@@SchultzDorinda There was no rule for Jedi to have, sex, with each other. The rule simply stated they couldn't form attachments. However, Jedi did and were having fun with each other. This is one I was going to address to the video here but shall here instead. Had Anakin simply came out and admitted he had a wife with children, it seems like that Yoda and some of the Masters wouldn't have exiled him. In fact, they likely done everything to protect Padme, because they would have known that she was carrying some future powerful Jedi. And because there is no rule again Anakin having sexual with another, only attachments emotionally, and because lore states the ancient Jedi did indeed have families, they would have made an exception here, because they would see it as a: "Bring Balance to the Force." The Jedi were bad at many actions, sending children into exile wasnt one of them. They had no say in their being borne and Jedi would have understood this. Also, Padme was a Senator and had background knowledge of how to deal with a Senate, and liked the Jedi and helped them before, they werent going to throw away an Allie.
I never felt anyone trained Luke. His decision to face, and ultimately survive uncorrupted, the 2nd most powerful sith in the galaxy jumped his training to the end. Yoda saw that shit and went "I guess I have nothing more to teach him". Luke was a honors student that skipped a few grades, and Vader was his final exam, counting for half his grade
Luke and obi wan had no idea Ashoka existed during the first three movies
You can see JarJar's eye's real focused, I'd say that one is a intended but never used sub plot/plot twist, that would have floored people to find out that clown was playing Brutus, But he was so unpopular, he was like someone was making a mockery of Star Wars. Had to be forgotten.
The retcon of Darth Jar Jar. would drastically improve the prequels.
Lmao I’ve always thought the reason Darth Vader stopped Luke from killing the emperor was because he didn’t want Luke to join the Dark Side. I’ve never even considered it was because he was protecting palpatine.
It all depends on what is canon. If the comic books are canon, then a lot happened between Ep.5 and Ep.6, possibly a few years worth of stuff. Luke may have met and been trained by Ahsoka during that time.
They are not only the cartoons and the movies
God I would love Ashoka training Luke to become cannon and eventually showing this in a season of her show
I always saw Luke trying to kill the Emperor as a "Let me see if i can get lucky and waste him"
Jar-Jar unpopular? compared to the sequels he's awesome
Interesting, I thought from the thumbnail the point would be that Ahsoka trained Luke after Return of the Jedi, helping fill in the gaps and bring him to Master level.
Fin was is Sanitation first and was probably reassigned to Infantry
yeah, i don't know how eager she would be to train him after what happened to his father
If Yoda told her to, she probably would have. I mean Obi-Wan and Yoda taught him despite what happened to his father.
Luke ultimately ended up more balanced than the Jedi at the end of the Republic. That could certainly be chalked up to Ahsoka's influence.
The force creating grogu as a counter to anakin doesn't make sense, as after the empire fell grogu was still not able to actually use the force and was still a child. Why would the force pick someone who wouldn't be ready to deal with darth vader until decades after the fall of anakin?
This would also go against any other reactions from the force, anakin being a reaction to palpatine (and the jedi's corruption), rey being a reaction to kylo and in legends you have bastila and revan and the hero of tython and the sith emperor.
Grogu being a reaction of the force doesn't make any sense. Maybe yoda, as a failed reaction to the rule of two, with him reaching his prime when the sith's plan reaches its endgame, only to instead lead the jedi into a weaker order that is to closely tied to the corrupt senete rather than the people and the force, but grogu makes no sense unless it is in response to something that cones after the sequels (which wouldn't be the sith cause they're gone for good and rey should rebuild the jedi order as it was before the clone wars era, so the likelihood of a dark jedi is rarer), so the threat is unlikely to be force based.
Jar jars mouth mimics padme's and Panaka's words in the background on tatooine. As if he's talking through them. I noticed this as a kid.
Snopes and...Rey? Never heard of them. Thanks for the story about Luke and Ashoka tho.
Grogu is 50 it’s established in the series
As much as I find the Ahsoka Tano theory fascinating, I just cannot believe that it can hold water for even a second!
In ANH (A New Hope), Obi-Wan started Luke on the path of the Jedi. In ANH's sequel, ESB (Empire Strikes Back), Obi-Wan's Force ghost ''vision'' told Luke to go to Dagobah. There, the young rebel would learn from Yoda.
Then three days later Luke would bail on his training and leave Dagobah not to return until its too late.
@@lookingforwookiecopilot well it's not said that Luke was on Dagoba for such short time.
@@YavorM-Yash Luke was on Dagobah for as long as it took the Falcon to go from Hoth to Cloud City on a single tank of gas. Three days is just a guess, but I seriously doubt it'd be any longer.
@@lookingforwookiecopilot there was some interview with George Lucas where he said that Luke was on Dagoba for some weeks, even month/s.
@@YavorM-Yash Well, the movie doesn't support that claim.
If palps was Anikins father, it would help make Rey the last skywalker. lol
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
Seriously the Darth Jar Jar theory fucking annoys me to no end
@mikajenkins8347 - Yes, I agree, regarding the Darth Jar Jar theory. However, you do have to agree that it was Jar Jar that gave Sidious his powers as The Supreme Chancellor.
Finn's reaction to war and having to kill is most likely the truest reaction in those movies. He likely considered war great before he was in one and then...omg people die for real? We have many cases of Soldiers from WWI and WWII who reacted same. After experiencing they learn to deal with it and were fine, but not all. many attempted to do what Finn did. So, based on this, I saw Finn has the most real personality in these movies.
Canon and Lore wise, we have an understanding of how Luke was trained. Now granted, Disney could change that in a second. So far though, She had no part in Lukes training in person wise. However, Luke did have texts and data from her era and she likely did write stuff and left records. Her opinions, her thoughts, and her fears would be a part of that and he may have had that. So, I will give that she may have had an indirect help in his training. But not a direct one.
Another I shall reply: Lucas stated once that Yoda species are rare and a mystery. He wished to keep it that way. However, we do get some hints here. There are not many of his people around, and those that are known, were very old. From this can guess his species. They are nearly extinct, from what we hear in the Mandalorian, about "baby" Yoda:( Yes, I said it, sue me) This suggest he may even be the last of that species. Since, we have hints they are an ancient species, we assume their planet is also ancient. And best of all, we have an idea what environment Yoda was used to experiencing. I doubt he came from a freesing planet; he is short and smallish built. Meaning he likely evolved form a species that was used to hiding. A frosen world tends to make creatures larger not smaller. Earth last great ice age is an example. So where would he need to be to be tiny and smallish in built and we have it, the world he exiled too. Tropical and swamps. Perfect for smaller creatures survived in. So, it is likely his world was tropical and warm, not cold. However, there is also another possibility, because he is short, he could come from a planet with less oxygen. The reason animals got so large on Earth was it had much more oxygen at that period-this wasnt a good thing, mind you. However, he is short so we have to assume a few factors, he was on a world, without a lot oxygen to get bigger, he also was on a world less wet, but much warmer (This would explain why he could handle the cold in the video, his body would been from world much warmer and had developed the ability to hand harsh environments). At the end of all, I can say: He came from a dying planet, it was likely once tropical and wet, but by time of Yoda was very warm and dry, a desert planet. And his species was likely just hanging on, surviving as best they could. Since Yoda is ancient in age, it is possible that the rest of his species were gone, with an exception, that allowed them access to rest of Galaxy. "Baby" Yoda may very well be correct, it could very well be his child. The last of them all.
The more stories they make it's harder to believe 7 through 9 are vaild
I still remember my friends and I having the theory that Jar Jar was a Sith Lord but ours was more juvenile.
correction tho, the KTSO droid line is seen later in the time, night of thousand tears on mando is years after rogue one, and possible after ep6 or right before, hard to say, we do know it is after ep4, well ahsoka training luke thing could be long debate- anakin trained her, fell, she finished luke training and he took vader down, and he was full of feelings/emotions, so would she has issiues with grogu?? and the lines in cannon "to finish my training with an old friend" and hers "master luke", so like said many many debates could pop out of this
Jar Jar being in league with Palpatine is the biggest missed opportunity in the original 6 movies. It would've made perfect sense.
not sure if it was sith or dark side powers but, but if you watch any movie or show, for everyone in the senate to all agree on something, something powerful was happening
Luthen real from Andor show is a secret sith double agent theory
One of my own theories is that Grogu is actually baby Yoda. In The Mandalorian he's a baby but at some point he'll go back hundreds of years in time by way of the "World between Worlds" and become Jedi Grand Master Yoda.
I am not one who likes to poke holes in fan theories as really any of them could be true until canon says otherwise, but this theory would have to add a further hypothetical that either by going back in time or through some other traumatic event, Grogu would have to have forgotten everything he knows about Anakin, Palpatine, the Empire's rise, etc...or else he intentionally allowed Anakin to turn to the dark side and allowed the destruction of the Jedi.
@@noahbaerveldt8162 Maybe. But do you remember everything that happened to you as a baby? Yoda was 900 years old when he died, plenty of time to forget things. Or, he did in fact know about Anakin, Palpatine, the rise of the Empire and the fall of the Republic, but believing that changing the future was impossible by way of what he knew in the Force, he went along with what he perceived as destiny. He therefore allowed things to unfold as he perceived them. Instead of going against Palpatine in Ep.1 he let things play out.
There needs to be a fan made sequel trilogy.
Amen.
Whether true or not, the Ahsoka training Luke theory would be fitting in with the lore of the Sequel Trilogy - inasmuch as, like everything else of interest in that trilogy, it happened off-screen. How did the First Order come about? It happened off-screen and you just didn't see it. What's Finn's backstory? It happened off-screen and you just didn't see it. How did Snoke rise to power? It happened off-screen and you just didn't see it. How did Maz get hold of Luke's lightsaber? It happened off-screen and you just didn't see it. What caused Luke to turn against Kylo? It happened off-screen and you just didn't see it. How was Luke's jedi academy destroyed? It happened off-screen and you just didn't see it. How did the Knights of Renn emerge? It happened off-screen and you just didn't see it. How did Palpatine actually "come back"? It happened off-screen and you just didn't see it.
The training would have happened during the original trilogy, for Luke to become master… but I agree with all the points about the sequel not showing pretty much anything of interest
Meh.
1) You could make all the same arguments about the original trilogy before the prequels came out
2) some of your 'points' are factually wrong.
In Knights of the Old Republic there was a member of Yodas species on dantooine Master vandar as I recall
Anakin wasn’t, ultimately, a sith so grogu wouldn’t have been created in return, considering Anakin was the chosen one.
If Ashoka trained Luke, why did she refuse to train Grogu?
Yoda is 900 years old but Yaddle is only 477😂
And grogu is 50
What can I say? Yoda's a playa.
Darth Meesa lives!
The Force is Yoda's jacket~
If the last theory is true, then count dooku would be Luke's great great great grandmaster
Wrong about K2-SO. Droids of his line were used in the Night of a Thousand Tears, which occurred after Rogue One.
Palpatine didn’t care if Luke struck him down cuz he’d already started cloning himself.
Disney B.S. to destroy Star Wars by Darth Kennedy.
Yoda uses the force to raise his body temps lol
we saw the KX-series security droids (k2so droids) in jedi fallen order which is canon, so they are seen again in the timeline, and that game came out in 2019, 4 years before this video, so you should have known that
You really unsure why someone who was taken as a toddler wasn't fighting in wars as a toddler? 🤦🏼♂️
Vader saving Luke is a good theory.
Because what if vader knew palpatine had the ability to project his consciousness?.
He knew if palpatine took Luke's body the universe would be at stake, not just the galaxy.
For context, in the vader comics we see palpatine show vader Exegol, snoke clones, etc.
So what if vader thought that while palpatine was distracted and using force lightning, he wouldn't have the energy to project his consciousness, thus being the best time to strike down palpatine. (like George probably had planned if he accepts the projection of consciousness part)
Food for thought
3:30 we do see more K2 driods in a flashback on Book of Boba Fett when we are given the history of what happened to Mandalore during the great Purge. K2 driods are seen causing destruction.
perhaps, mando will find one or two on his season3 travels, and takes it to the droid pub, and see what it saw, do think rebel's might have given us hints at yoda home, might be same as ezra home
I can see Grogu being Yoda's son.
Why else would he be so protected?
L O L, Palpatine bill, Cosby, Anakin’s mother!
they said grogu was older then anikin where they live 800 plus years
Jar Jar became a clown in the books after his time in the senate.
A lot of these are debunked by canon lore already. Specifically anikins dad. It never directly says it, but Darth Plagieus is Anikins father. Read up on it because Anikin is basically Jesus to Plagieus being “god like” in a sense.
Number 3 this week
Um, considering the fact that Rise of Skywalker had Reylo share a passionate kiss before Ben Solo’s death, I hope Palpatine isn’t Anakin’s father. Then again, Leia smashed a passionate kiss onto Luke even though she admitted in Return of the Jedi that she had always known he was her brother.
Leia wasn't saying for sure that she knew Luke was her brother. She said that "somehow" she knew about it, but her face expression was of someone just realised what it was and until that moment wasn't sure about the feelings she had.
About that kiss - she kissed Luke only to tease Han. And that's the only reason. Luke was the only other male in the room.
I am really tired of people putting other meaning to it.
I like most of that.
However, when Luke tried to kill Ben, that might have been him re-aquainting himself with the dark side. It IS easier, after all.
"Maybe Grogu was created by the force... the force of Yoda's little, green friend penetrating and binding Yaddle's light side."
Jar jar becoming a clown (dark side user) is canon isn’t it now? Pretty sure he has farce ability
I think thats evident that grogu is a godforce and mando dosnt know to play with swords
Darth Jar Jar: This is just dumb and I wish it would go away. It's a meme, not as theory. C-3PO also talks with his hands. So does Han. Does that mean everyone is a Sith Lord?
Yoda from Ilum: There is absolutely nothing here. Nothing. This isn't even a theory. It's just something someone said and has no evidence to support it.
Finn being a child: This just doesn't make any sense. He breaks on Jakku because he realizes the First Order is terrible, not because he's a child. This is just the moment we see him question things.
Ausoka training Luke: At this point, I want Ahsoka to be killed off. She is the SINGLE MOST PIVOTAL character in all of Star Wars. She's the best Jedi, the best commander, she defeated Maul, she basically formed the Rebellion... For all the bitching and moaning people do about Rey being a Mary Sue, people sure forget that Ahoska is behind or involved in just about every pivotal event. Stop it. Stop making her an integral character when she wasn't.
Han Solo is force sensitive and was never discovered by the jedi due to the fall of the republic. I’ve always thought this because of his skills as a pilot, but those is also a scene in the force awakens when he shoots a storm trooper without looking
There is a theory that his extreme "luck", reflexes, and instincts are due to his untrained force sensitivity.
I have thought about that a lot but at some point, Force sensitivity should be a bit less common. And Han was born while the Republic was still able to find and train most Force sensitive children
2:34 so italians are confirmed to be force users huh?😂
Ugh. The Darth Jar Jar theory is stupid, ridiculous, and in no way makes any sense. What makes sense is what we see in canon, a naive character out of his depth being manipulated by Palpatine into giving him what he wants.
Starting at 9:34 you were leading up to saying Anakin was 9, and Luke was almost double that when he first learned about the Force. Luke was actually more than double; he was 19, not 17.
Killing Palpatine wouldn't have been Luke's cross to the Dark Side: Just attempting to, was. Luke DID cross to the Dark Side, which is what gave him the power to defeat Vader. However, Luke was able to CONTROL the Dark Side; THAT is why he, and not Anakin, is the Chosen One. Luke brought balance to the Force, by being able to use both aspects, without losing himself in the process.
Most of the theories can be discredited if you know any deeper Star Wars lore
Finn in the force awakes is 23
Did all the yodas die when the resistance blew up starkiller base then? Starkiller base is confirmed as illum
We could see Ezra Bridger in the new ASOAKA series
Oh yeah, popular character "Asoaka" I know her.
I think darth plagus and palpatine tried to use the froce to create grogu a replica of yoda and to combat these the froce create anikin the chosen one to bring balance to the force
Ben and Yoda trained Luke, it's canon; I am sure she might have been able to impart some wisdom to him but not trained. Who was better than Obi and Yoda? LOL
Naw vader was just protecting palpetine
He still encourages luke to the darkside shortly afterword by mentioning his sister could be turned
the empire destroyed tha kaminoan cloning facilities so Finn being a clone doesn't really work.
@goatinstein - WHEN did The Empire destroy the Kaminoan cloning facilities?
When rotj was going Ashoka was helping the gost Crew not training Luke so nope don't work
If yoda and yaddle could get to 900 and not make the rank of jedi master then honestly what would be the point 🤣
What if hondo met luke skywalker?
I smell profit
@@iangarvin7570 nice
No bro, Anakin was the chosen one bc Luke was ultimately the real chosen one
No, I refuse to believe Palpatine is Anakins father
No... what they need to do is retcon everything and make Ashoka the chosen one that trained Anakin.... And that it was the thought of her that made him kill the emperor... Not Luke.
It would make alot of sense if Ahsoka trained luke as *despite* what is shown in the live action. Ahsoka as shown in the animated series is not the dumb jedi shown in the mandalorian. She knows that attachment isn't a problem and would also encourage luke to see the good in Anakin. She had did the same and would note that while she cannot save his father, Luke can.
Ahsoka's not only powerful and skilled, but also has learned from the mistakes of the jedi. (A fact the live action stuff seems to ignore entirely and has her act out of character. Fuck no attachments, Ahsoka would likely say that it was the rejection of attachment that lead to her master's downfall.)
wrong yoda went to a world with darkside so it masked his power being sensed
Didn't train Luke
See, I don't see Ahsoka training look at all. The interaction they had on screen made it seem like that was the first or MAYBE the second time they had met. Plus, Ahsoka had no want to train Grogu and didn't even consider herself a Jedi in the first place. So why would she train someone in the ways of the Jedi if she still didn't believe in it? Also, my GOD is the the Darth Jar Jar theory just stupid. It REALLY needs to go away. Jar Jar was just an annoying character made to sell toys.
I’ve never really cared for the “Darth Jar-Jar” theory. It just smacks too much of disgruntled fans trying to justify their dislike of a silly character by trying to imply “evil intent” when none is intended.
3:03 is the worst take I've ever heard