MEN OF GOLD & STONE And The TRUTH Of Navigators | Warhammer 40k Lore
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Hello, Nerd! In this video we will unravel the mystery behind Men of Gold and Men of Stone from the Dark Age of Technology and we will explore origins of the Navigators.
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Men of gold…golden throne…golden armor…fiery golden sword…is it just me?
Love for the gold
@@TheLostPrimarch I mean who doesn’t love gold? It’s the color of the winners all other colors are just contestants 👌
My personal fan theory is that the Empreror was made early in the Golden age...
And is thus the perfect Golden Man.
I also think that the Ai "Rebellion" was the MOI was about killing Chaos Corruted Humans.
If it was just killing a small number of chaos corrupted humans then why was the war the greatest since the War in Heaven and took every galactic power to stop them? It wasn't a classic kill all humans Skynet since not all ai rebeled. And AI weren't really slaves either since the one on the Spirit of Eternity glady served humanity and admired it before it fell and was attached to its captain despite being something that could survive the destruction of the vessel itself. Perhaps some AI calculated what Chaos would become and realized that it was the greater threat to humanity and required the eradication of all sentient life? Since would keeping genetic samples around and cloning facilities intact until Chaos starved itself out then just repopulating the galaxy with people again?
@ryansauchuk7290 simplest answer is that chaos corrupted everybody involved.
Remember that Slaanesh was Murder-Orgy-Born into existence around that time!
I've heard about that speculation. One of Malcadors dudes called the Emperor a weapon
10k hype and this was a really good week of videos great job Nerd much Respect 😁👍
Thank you. Next week starting monday we will have Malcador week!
@@TheLostPrimarch it's going to be sweet
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2:33 ROCK AND STONE BROTHA! oT
did I hear a ROCK AND STONE?
5:50 idk why but hearing this spooky demon voice speaking with a Slavic accent killed me
Men of Gold are Psykers whose warp powers aren't natural-born gifts(this isn't confused with Navigators), they got these powers from artificially augmenting their souls
Or they could be artificial Perpetuals. The god-damned Cabal can't really be the only ones who can make logic go cry in a corner
IE: The Emperor. Hes just a rampant weapon left over from the Golden Age.
The Men of Gold were the height of technology. Look up the arc mechanics story about the Speranza (the ship that woke up and shot black holes at the eldar) the Arch Magos finds out the ship itself is an STC but the knowledge of the Men of Gold were locked behind impenetrable vaults.
@@riddell26that's heresy
@@ryansauchuk7290 i started reading the Priests of Mars series, yes (the one with the Speranza). but it was so damn tedious TT-TT. barely read the first book, and am not very inclined to continue
I think the main theme in warhammer about them is that men of stone is the dwarfs, or rather all workers on the new founding colonies of the golden age, men of iron is the constructs, but also what became the admeck, the developers of those colonies. men of gold are those with psykick adherence of some kind that became what we know as navigators, telepaths, Sisters of silence, custodes. I even think Constantin valdor Sais he is a man of gold when he leaves the emperors chamber in the end and the death.
And I think that is how the hindu cast system is built as well, farmers/miners, craftsmen/salesmen, nobility/priests. Don't know if it is manipulated human evolution or just the status of the people that are referred to in Warhammer, or its just how its showed in 40k as only different manipulation of either consciousness or genes have survived for that long.
Even more credence is lent to the theory by the fact that the Imperial Palace is the Himalayas, with the Inner Palace (housing most of the really important stuff like the Golden Throne, the Tower of Heroes, that prison the Emperor made, and the Custodes’ headquarters) is built on the ruins of Kathmandu.
Nepal used that caste system, and it’s implied that this area was also the place from which the Emperor began the Unification Wars.
imo, the 6 navigator houses assigned to aid to the mechanicus by the emperor as part of the treaty of mars are the least mentioned and most intriguing of wh40k factions
What’s surprising about that? The Mechanicum have fleets of their own and with models from the old Battlefleet Gothoc game. Used for war, exploration and transport.
@@glyngreen538 Surprising given how extreeemley cautious the mechancus is regarding psychic stuff.
There are quite a few stories re various houses but you need to read older, often long out of print, novels.
See also “From Beyond.”
Great to hear thoughts on lore.
And congrats on 10k!
Thanks! Will do!
Ooh la la your voice modulator sounds really good, one Slav to another! Would squat for this /10 😂
Were there any Dark Age of Technology devices that allowed for other methods of FTL travel without the Warp or the Webway? The Necrons have that FTL technology without using the Warp and it's pretty efficient.
Though on the matter if they would try to study it I doubt any of the Imperium Houses and Institutions would tolerate even if it was completely legitimate with no strings attached they would sooner destroy it or lock it away in some esoteric vault for 5,000 years. Any high rank Imperium official would need Guilliman's word in order to give the go ahead to research it properly.
Any tech of that level would have to come from an STC or be recovered directly from an incorrupted vessel. Even then the Cog boys couldn't just reverse engineer it just like if we suddenly got our hands on a warp drive. If they found an STC for it then yes the Mechanicus would implement it since it would be considered holy technology. Except for the one time travel ship I've never found any mention of non warp travel during the DOT, since with hyper advanced AI as well as the warp being calmer it would make warp travel far faster and safer than it is now.
Great end to the week's series.
just subbed, hope you reach 10k soon, hopefully more of this great content to come
Appreciate it!
Truly a golden/dark week.
I recommend everyone to watch the movie event horizon if you want to see something similar to warhammer 40k when humans experimented with warp travel 😊
It literally is Warhammer lol
I haven't been here for long, but these are very good films. and this growth. Good luck bro
I always thought men of gold could be Custodes, since they are clad in gold lol.
Jep, many tought that, but there is just so little if information
Hell yeah, brother!
Gratz on the 10k, I honestly can't believe it took this long.
This is such and underrated channel, and I hope you hit 100k before the end of 2025.
Thanks a ton! I hope the same!
I honestly think the men of gold were just custodes. They're draped in gold.
Fair assumption
Anyone with $20 can buy a "dmt pen" and bring about a chaos incursion.
The man of stone are supposed to be in state of half life, and be immune to warp perils. The squat and leagues DO NOT match this traits. My theory? Man of gold = Custodes(a specific type of gene enhancemente, plus golden theme, the emperor kept the formula). Man of stone = first blanks.
@@lucerojunior6644 the Leagues are vastly less likely to be warp affected as they have very little warp presence (similar to Tau). Seems probable that they’re the Men of Stone to me. Stone is hardy and durable like dwarves in space.
I read a novel with a man of stone. Dude takes a gauze rifle to the chest and doesn't die. Seems to be some kind of cyborg and it was thousands of years post the crusade... So dude was maybe 15,000 years old. Can't recall the novel. Saves some crew members on a particular ship.
The passage from the 3rd edition pretty much states the men of gold is mankind, which also fits the reverence the Emperor has with them, the men of stone by the sounds of it were already in existence and most likely the creators of what would become the squats.
Further, the historical record paints a less rosy picture of the Golden Age, as yes, there were exceptional advancements, but also a lot of decadence and less savory behavior - the Men of Iron were given more and more higher function, but were treated as at best servants, which lead to the rebellion and nearly ending mankind - the Squats original race most likely were also caught up in this and in order to weather the storm created clones to keep the race alive.
Yeah the Emperor created the Navigators. Swear I read that in one of the novels.
As far as the Navigators being inbred goes, in the modern world it is estimated that no one is much more than 50th cousins. The only possible outliers are places like North Sentinel.
Yeah but imagine that no new blood came in from outside your town for 10k years, plus all the mutant jiggery pokery inherent with being a navigator
@@ryansauchuk7290 no, I get it. I was just making a point. But the North Sentinelese have been isolated for over 50K and perhaps over 60k years. So it makes one wonder at what point it starts to matter and at what point it stops. Maybe they've developed a third eye but that aren't suffering from extra feet, legs or have any flippers.
Weird comment. We all know that humans are all distant relatives. “50th cousins” are completely irrelevant in a discussion about inbreeding 😂
@@N0TYALC stop being lazy and read the previous comments in the discussion before just answering. You'll be totally caught up then.
Im not sure the men of gold were prototype Custodians because the Ollanius Pious was born before the Emperor or so Ive heard.
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do navigators come with melange gas-filled tanks? 😊
Not these ones,. These ones come with mental issues
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It's Dune. Their origins.
Maybe..... the Men of a Gold are the Navigators....??
No
Interesting
Why can't the imperium just clone a bunch of navigators?
I think it has to do with the navigator gene and cloning process being unable to replicate it
Souls, clones don't have them
Things almost always go awry when it comes to cloning in Warhammer
In my mind, men of stone are AI. The stone is the silicon their brains are made of, and the quote makes sense for STC going with biological humans across the stars and humans being dependent on STC/AI creations.
Meh, the flesh is weak regardless of its source
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12:19 where the fuck are you getting that from? I have NEVER seen them described as albinos.
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If Magnus didn't f*cked up his father's Webway project probably Navigators would have been simply wiped out from existence.
Thats a fact
Here's an interesting question if warhammer 40k did crossovers with different franchises, what different franchises would you like for 40k to cross over with
( For me, it would be Star Wars, like what if the tau empire was in Star Wars or what if the gods of chaos Existed In star wars )
There is actually a very interesting and competently written video series by a UA-camr called AFanWithTooMuchTime that goes into depth of a scenario where a Crusading fleet of the Imperium is cought in a Warp Storm and sent to the Star Wars Universe of the Clone Wars era, it explores quite many points of view from both sides, Jedi, Imperial Guard, Space Marines, Navy of both sides, etc., and how they both respectively would wage war with one another and the vast differences in philosophy and general technology that the Republic and Imperium possess.
where are the men of ROCK AND STONE :(
What kinda heresy is this
best kind
Interesting take, sometimes I wish they'd unveil a mystery like the lost primarchs or the men of gold. At least give them a name.
The problem with the Dark Age of Technology society is that when everyone is secular they begin to have less morals and virtues overtime to grow up and mature under and slowly begin giving into selfish desires lacking in moral obligation and incentive overtime. Giving over into more temptations and selfish ambitions while becoming apathetic or cynical to having discernment, compassion, integrity, and righteousness as they hold less Godly fearing and trusting values sacred and began worshipping themselves and their hearts blacken. Even in a none real setting context of Warhammer 40k these principles and understandings still applies and is paramount.
The same thing happened to the Eldar Empire around the same time. But it was far worse as their lawlessness, wickedness, maliciousness, depravity, vile affections, inventors of evil, and all other kinds of uncleanness that they lusted after in their flesh which was only evil continually. And we know where all of that led to do we? The Age of Strife which contributed to ruining everyone. Except maybe the orks and other dark xenos that saw humanity on their target list.
Ultimately what we know what the Emperor did to old religions was a very bias, willingly ignorant, and tunnel visioned judgement perception that would serve only to fuel the potential of Chaos influence to spread unto desperate or mad and wicked people and when the Imperial cult arose they followed the frame of reference he set for mankind to follow after as an example the Emperor's fruits you can say. The Emperor's secular utopia was ultimately going to fail one way or another. Because ideology and philosophy is not permanently fulfilling and it's not a stable foundation to the human spirit which needs a tradition and trusting relationship of some kind. As the saying goes. "For whatever a man sows, that he will also reap" Just in Warhammer 40k any benevolent beings that were helping mankind in the Warp and were opposing the Chaos gods were impotent and are now gone because of many things in the Dark Age of Technology which the Emperor added upon making them nonexistent. The only few left who are stronger are xenos ones like Gork and Mork they don't have any intention of killing the Chaos gods at least for a while if the final waagh is to be the Orks final bang.
Honestly from observing this the Imperial Cult's theological divided behavior and mindset seems like a symptom caused by a much larger series of afflictions and catastrophes and actions that were orchestrated or not well thought out course of action.