Cuddly Whiskers on Happiness
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- BoJack Horseman: Season 3, Episode 3 (Title: BoJack Kills)
A poignant scene at the end of 'BoJack Kills' where Cuddly Whiskers justifies his absence to BoJack & Diane.
The end theme is left in because it feels well placed and the lyrics are especially pertinent to the message delivered in this scene.
My favorite part is how Bojack spent the episode praising this guy but the moment he saw that Cuddly Whiskers made Diane upset, he immediately said, "What a nut.", completely invalidating him to try to make her feel better.
I love it and hate it at the same time. He knows she's upset about what happened, which is great because he's aware of her feelings and wants to make her feel better, but put's down what she is upset about, invalidating her pain and not dealing with what it really means to either of them.
Wrong take. Nothing to do to make Diane feel better
I don’t think that was why. I think he was trying to shrug off what Cuddlywhiskers said because it hit too close to home.
It shows that despite his cruel actions he does care about the few people has in his life(even if he isn’t very good at it). It’s especially the case with Diane because he sees so much of his pain in her and can relate to her more than anyone.
I think Bojack just completely missed the point, on count of never ever even entertaining the idea of giving up everything. He just immediately dismissed it. It's ingrained into his psyche to associate being famous and known to everyone loving him and that would lead to happiness. It's what he's tried to do time and time again for the first few seasons. And yet he still trudges on, believing that it not succeeding at making him happy is just his own fault. It's a broken record.
Meanwhile, i believe Diane got the message, but it frustrated and depressed her and she rejected it (as opposed to dismissing it). Giving up everything would mean all she's gone through would have also been for nothing, and she has the notion that her shitty childhood and damage are what makes her special and that's what eventually will flourish and make her write a book about herself, something that would in her mind help others, thus finally making her happy. She's not ready to let go of that. Especially at that point.
Although, i think a small part of Bojack did want to cheer Diane up a little too after dismissing CWs monologue as just crazy talk. But Diane had glimpsed into the truth and did not like what she saw...
Wow, I never realized how this speaks directly to Diane’s ending in the series. It took her a long time to realize she could be happy and she had to give up her life memoir to do it. And she had to give up on Bojack and she couldn’t feel bad about it because she was taking responsibility for her own happiness
Yeah, well, giving up her memoir was more about accepting she had a shitty childhood and stop pressuring herself to make it meaningful orto use it as some great tool. Sometimes you just gotta give up the idea that your past was some kind of test and just accept people can be shitty and move on.
@@bluecanine3374 Diane did not have a shitty Childhood. Her pretensions madr her a mediocre person.
Her unwillingness to be successful (At the expense of her memoir) was an illustration of pride and vanity. A Great Character.
@@blenderbanana She suffer emotional neglect, nobody in her family never really cared for her and even if the abuse never went beyond that, that is still something that mess up a child and make them grow into and adult that does deserve to happy or have nice things in life.
@@blenderbanana “Diane did not have a shitty childhood”... did we watch the same show??
TheChocolateKiwii if you think she didn’t have a shitty childhood, you were either physically abused or are physically abusive
"Only after you give up everything, can you begin to find a way to be happy."
Bojack lost everything by the end of the show: his money, career, friends (somewhat), and his only family. He has unhealthily relied on those things in an endless cycle of his pursuit to happiness. He was stuck in his childhood trauma and the guilt of his past actions. He needed to start anew. And he can only achieve that once he let go of the things weighing him down.
Bojack Horseman: the only show where a hamster is somehow twice as big as a horse.
But it's a great show, of course. :)))
Man, that's true. That's a giant hamster.
Also, when Eddie, a freaking dragonfly, lifts the 1,200lbs BoJack and flies him up into the sky 🤣
And in this same episode, the orca strippers are about half as tall as a horse. BoJack is so tall because he's a horse. Orcas should probably be bigger.
Its easy to say when you are already wealthy and have the option to.
I think this scene works as a spoiler for the series finale.
wait how did you know that was it 3 months ago it aired?
I like how instead of punchlines, this show gives harsh, HARSH realities.
Dibby D true but if you think about it, it gives both. The funny punchlines are there but then the punchlines help you enjoy the characters and your connection with the characters help the harsh realities hit you a million times harder!
I tend to think of it in the way that punchlines are not always comedic. They can be dramatic punchlines instead.
Nostalgia Critic, much?
Not even knocking you for taking his words, I think he summed up Bojack Horseman perfectly.
la plagiarismo
Mr. Peanutbutter Reality is the punchline
this is an incredible scene
Nathan Zed the entire series is an incredible scene
Nathan Zed omg Nathan what are you doing here
did you hear what diane said?.?.?
@@ambatukam1868 what did she say?
I forgot about your channel. I used to watch it when I was a teen.
Thank you for not cutting out the ending song. A lot of people don't seem to get exactly how crucial those first few melancholic notes are to drive home the emotional impact of an episode.
The Sarah Lynn scene(Season 3) it isn't as half as good without the silence and then "... BACK IN THE 90's I WAS IN A VERY FAMOUS TVVVVVVV SHOOOWW"
Might want to put a spoiler tag on that, mate. I've watched all of season 3, but other people might not have and might have come to watch this video after finishing this episode.
yeah indeed, same...spoiler alert cugh
My bad. Fixed
Speaking of the song, it is really funny how it represents all the show:
Back in the 90's i was in a very famous tv show, I´m bojack the Horse don't act like you don't know: represents Bojack Narcissistic personality.
And I'm trying to hold on to my past, Its been so long I don't think im gonna last: Bojacks depression.
I guess I'll just try and make you understand: Bojack's desire of validation from others
that im more horse than a man, or Im more man than a horse: Maybe i did not understand this part, but it seems like it doesn't makes any sense, and well, the show has lots of stuff that makes no sense for comedic purposses.
What a soothing voice he has.
Hell yeah
what a great character
wish he'd show up again.
Thats Jeffery Wright. Amazing actor.
He is a big role in Boardwalk Empire and Westworld.. two fundamental opposite characters n he nails both
Jacky T I love comments like these thanks
Jacky T he was also in the Hunger Games series and he played one of the best characters.
@@JackyTMusic do you want to know about another amazing actor who is also in Bojack horseman?
Angela Bassett. She is legendary.
Also Cuddly Whiskers is clearly the heaviest, but because he isn't carrying the burden of finding happiness, he doesn't drag down his chair as low as Diane or Bojack.
See it or Flick it. Nice!
See it or Flick it.
As much as I'd like to think there's some metaphor there, I really just think that's a triangle that puts emphasis on the focal character. You see it in paintings everywhere.
See it or Flick it. Wow, you’re ahead. You’ve probably seen Season 5 by the time you read this reply.
Your comment reminded me of “Free Churro” where Bojack tells the story about a Horsin Around fan asking him about the coffee cup continuity.
You can see the wooden poles above, Cuddly Whiskers' is higher, thus his hammock is just higher.
Well, he's a 1200 pounds horse. What were you expecting?
Anybody else see at 0:10 how Cuddly Whiskers is the only one drinking the tea, even though he poured cups for all of them? Like if the cup represents inner happiness he's the only one drinking it; Bojack tried and failed, and Diane was so busy looking behind her she didn't even reach for it.
It's probably nothing, but the little English student in me who looks for hidden metaphors can't help but notice it anyway.
Dude, I see this, and the writers of this show love to add tiny tiny things that, make the show better overall, but rarely anyone notices them. Your spot on with this.
Brandon Gonzalez That sounds exactly right damn
There is *absolutely* a reason for the differences in how each character approaches the tea and I think you nailed it. Thanks for that insight.
I wish I had an eye for detail like that! Really makes you appreciate great shows like this even more.
Also, as Diane is looking about; she's swinging in her chair hammock, trying to distract herself from her obvious discomfort instead of focusing on what's happening in front of her.
Diane brushing off some critical advice here that would have saved her.
BoJack also brushes it off.
Why would it save her?
Ferkidactilo Suppose it might, or might not. It wouldn't help to try. The worst place you can be is to turn away any advice because it's difficult to hear.
I really don't understand what you are trying to say.
Diane is the kind of person who knows she's unhappy, but like Princess Carolyn, tries to pursue careers that distract them from their unhappiness. But the difference between Diane and PC is that Diane will always feel unsatisfied because she wants there to be more to her life and career.
I was one of those people who kept waiting for something else to fulfill me. My job, my hopes for the future, my marriage. Then finally I went through a long stretch of unemployment (not broke or risking eviction thank god, just between jobs) and I finally had nowhere left to run like I had been for a whole decade post-college. All my usual habits, distractions, and defense mechanisms didn't work anymore. I finally had to look inward and confront how unhappy I was.
I don't think the message of this scene is give up your Earthly possessions or forsake the outside world. It's saying you can't look to something else like a job, or a relationship, or your past/future to fulfill you. That has to come from you right here in this moment and nowhere else.
JamesOhGoodie I still know a lot of people who haven't quite learnt that lesson yet sadly
I’m in the process of learning that lesson.... I understanding concept, but I’m not there in practice yet
Except that "happiness" is not something that is the same for everyone and everyone will find different things that make them happy. Some people will find happiness in their job OR in a relationship. They could find it in a hobby or competitions, it's not set in stone and honestly? If you failed to find your own happiness until it was really late then it's more on you than it is on anything else. It's kind of astonishing to see how many people are just so... inattentive or flat out weak. It just shows that you don't know who the hell you are, that you go on without understanding "things" out of sheer ignorance and stupidity, not so much desperation.
Whenever I see this stuff, with people who just say stuff like this or that they "lack purpose" it's just mind-boggling, how lacking in self-reflection one must be to just not get something so simple, evident and easily accessible because it comes down to that person's self.
Absolutely ridiculous.
In a weird way, I guess it's a survival tactic, you know? Make the best of the situation you have, and I don't mean just by what you're doing, but by what you think. You can't force yourself to like one thing in the whole universe, you SHOULDN'T act like the only source of happiness that you can be offered comes only from one goal you're constantly trying to reach
Yeah, but how to live with that? Once I feel that I fulfill myself, I don't wanna live anymore. Because then what's the point of Life? There's no more trade left.
“I don’t know what to tell you. I’m happy, for the first time in my life, and I’m not going to feel bad about it.”
I love this line, but I used the same logic to justify my own substance abuse. It’s amazing how this show turns everything into a double edged sword
It is a dangerous philosophy, especially if you have mental health problems and/or substance abuse problems. But at the same time, realizing that your own happiness is incredibly important is very important and difficult to learn.
There's a balance. What if your happiness is punting puppies? Obviously this would be a shit thing to say.
But what if your happiness is NOT marrying the guy your parents arranged for you full well knowing that refusing to do so will bring shame to your parents in the community? This line is perfect.
Substance abuse is a bit iffy. Is your future self perhaps going to hate this choice? Do you have children you're hurting? But then again, it is your life, if you don't have dependents or if you know you won't regret it, well, oof.
It's not when you remember that being happy =/= feeling good. Sometimes happiness lies at the other side of a river of shit, and all you have at the end is peace and contentment. The idea that true happiness is feeling amazing all the time is a myth, and a dangerous one.
@@jasminelav.332 or you could just use joy, but go ahead
There is no straight path forward. Everything you do will inevitably hurt you or yourself in one way or another. Do whatever you think is right, and do your best to make peace with whatever negative consequences come out of it. With luck, those consequences will appear few and inconsequential.
Bojack represents Selfishness and indulgence and finding happiness through hedonism, meanwhile Diane represents self-less ness and trying to find meaning through helping others. Cuddly Whiskers represents balance between these two ideas.
The scene even looks like a balance with Bojack and Diane on the sides and Cuddle Whiskers higher up in the middle.
That's a really neat observation. I do think Cuddlywhiskers has found a way of fairly undestructive selfishness, which is distinct from destructive selfishness though often lumped in with it whenever people talk about being selfish.
DudeistBelieve I think its the other way around. Bojack does selfish things, because hes so desperate to find something that'll make him happy. But throughout the series he contemplates whether or not if he's a good person and even went on great lengths to do good things without drawing back. Diane had opportunity to be "a good person" but she doesnt believe in that. She dominates in her relationship with Mr. Peanutbutter because she has to have it her way.
Diane is just as selfish if not more so than Bo
I disagree, the thing about Diane is she is not perfect, nobody is, hell, her flaws are almost on BoJack's level sometimes. I feel BoJack represents reality, while Diane represents naivity. At the beginning, Diane wants to help people but make a difference, but is crushed and torn apart by the harshness of reality (not BoJack, I mean real reality), until she believes she can't make everyone happy without a sacrifice. In the pilot, she said you're responsible for your own happiness, but she proved she can't save everyone, like a naive child being crushed by the weight of the world.
Bojack is more the human side, the part that wants to change but is caught up in his loneliness and want to be happy. He tries to change, to be a better person, but he is just so caught up in his own hatred of himself, he forgets that he can be happy.
Seriously though, Diane represents selflessness? You need to rewatch the series. And BoJack represents Hedonism? Hedonism is pleasure through more material objects. BoJack isn't doing those things to make himself happy, he is doing those things to forget about his shitty life. If anything, he represents the harshness of reality, and the effects it could have.
*SPOILERS FOR S3E12*
One other character gives up everything and begins to be happy: Todd! No seriously, he's more miserable in Season 3 until he gives up everything he has that seems glamorous:
his crumbling friendship with BoJack, living in BoJack's condo for free, his company, the idea he might have any sexual attractions and $8 million!
To drive the point home, after he gives up his $8 million (the last of these things), he's laughing with Emily and still genuinely happy. So wise for a young, dumb comic relief character.
Wish Bojack could finally reach a conclusion like that for himself. Then at least, he may be in a self-made Hell, but he could finally put behind him all of his shortcomings and look at the bigger picture.
Todd's problem is that he's so caught up helping other people that he doesn't do enough for himself.
@@meris8486 and then his problem is belieivng everything will just sort itself out. as seen when he helped his dad get his (todd's) kidney back.
and sometimes he is like the universe's favorite (i mean most of the cast in the show did what he did of the "Clown dentists becoming zombies" they would have already payed for it, but todd hasn't so far)
Diane in the pilot: "you're responsible for your own happiness you know."
However in this episode after Mr. Cuddlywhiskers says your responsible for your own happiness, Diane replies: "that's a bit selfish, don't you think?"
Like, Diane has gone through a huge character change since we first met her.
Diane thinks that's it's possible to attain happiness without sacrificing anything. That's why she's always trying to look for bigger and better causes because she thinks it'll make her happy.
Hollywoo will do that to you.
iM responsible for my own happiness? I cant even be responsible for my own breakfast??
Michéal King Tooodddddd....i need help
WhisperedFlame z
Makes Family Guy look like Dora the Explorer. God damn.
Crono Family Guy is crap
Polivinil Cloruro No, Family Guy is Horse Shit
Damn at least Dora got me learning....I think family guy actually kills brain cells...
bojack horseman and family guy are different genres dumb shit. its like comparing the lord of the rings and the myth of sysiphus just because they are literature
That's an insult to Dora.
I feel like bojack trying to reach the cup was him trying to reach his happiness, he tried and failed, he kept trying, and failed. Meanwhile Diane was too busy looking into the past and never bothered to reach her cup of happiness. Man, this show speaks for itself....... just because you're rich, doesn't mean your happy along with having your actions as consequences if your not responsible for them
That's weird because he's rich and he can seemingly get away with anything
@@carterphillips9159 finish the show?
@@carterphillips9159 finish the show?
@@carterphillips9159 so was cuddly
The symbolisms are good
My sister doesn't like this show because she says it gets too real. I love it because it does get real, moments like these are true and really relate to life and reality. It's because of moments like these on this show I look a little closer at life and see it a little differently.
i can understand that though because a lot of times you dont get to watch much tv or whatever and its a nice escape. If it makes you think too much or stresses you out it can defeat the purpose, but Bojack is a masterpiece imo and the self reflection it causes you to do is important/useful.
My mother won't watch it with me because it's animated and she'll only watch animated if it's "Disney style family friendly". So I have to watch alone.
That's what I love about it. This show helped me realize I have problems I probably wouldn't have realized sooner if I didn't see it.
lots of people dislike it when media calls out reality instead to glamorizing it
The exchange between him and Diane is incredibly potent. My ex, who suffers from chronic depression, recently ghosted on our friendship, and for a long time I took it very personally, especially because I was her only true friend. Only recently have I begun to accept that it's for her own good that she be alone. It took me several months of confusion and heartbreak to reach that conclusion. I've made it very clear to her that I will always be here for her if/when she's ready to reconnect, but the easiest way to deal with it is to learn from Mr. Cuddly Whiskers' most important words here: "It takes a long time to realize how truly miserable you are, and even longer to see that it doesn't have to be that way." This is her path and I must accept it no matter how much it hurts. I hope others here can find the same solace in case they find themselves in a similar position.
I hope you two will reconnect again, and that she finds her way. You're a very good friend to be caring for her like that. And I know she thinks the same even if it's hard to put in words or action.
Dude. Im really glad I read your comment. I find myself in the same scenario with my ex girlfriend. She knows Ill be there for her too and she thanked me for it before ignoring me. She hasnt unfriended or blocked me so theres hope she'll come around. But I find myself on a parallel journey of finding my own happiness. Its not easy in the slightest to let her go. It makes me feel a little more at peace knowing theres someone else going through something similar and gaining from a great show like this.
Burke Boydell I imagine the only way she'd reconnect would be once she has a strong network of close friends and a stable long term relationship, though by that time she may not even bother in order to not disrupt her relationship and any feelings that can sprout from the past. Being friends with an ex only really works after a long time apart and a completely mutual break up.
My friend went through the same and distanced herself from me. But I couldn't be happy waiting for her, unsure of whether she would come back or not, I needed closure. So I asked her not to contact me, just in case. I guess that's also taking responsibility for my own happiness...
You tried to be friends with your Ex. That was where you made your first mistake.
*”It takes a long time to realize how truly miserable you are, and even longer to see that it doesn’t have to be that way.”*
Damn...
...His name is Cuddly Whiskers.
Can you change this line into a personal mantra and use it to become content?
Cuddly Whiskers is talking about selfishness being the root of unhappiness.
With Bojack Horseman, his selfishness is his pursuit of fame and fortune.
With Diane, she feels let down whenever her attempts to help someone fails. Her selfishness is about how helping others makes HER feel, not about trying to be of benefit to others and is why she feels empty inside when it doesn't work out.
"Sometimes you need to take responsibility for your own happiness"
"Isn't that a little selfish?"
"I don't know what to tell you."
When he talks about giving it all away this is what he means: being free of selfish desires, not material things.
Must suck thinking people work like that and living with yourself
there's no helping others not being because you feel good about it, humans just work like that. We have that because people wouldn't be altruistic otherwise
Diane's selfishness is about how helping others makes her feel? Funny, I remember she criticised Sebastian for the exact same thing.
@@alexvaughan1013 That's humanity, we're experts at pointing out our flaws in others
Dianne looking backwards during the tea pouring, not reaching for the tea and Bojack reaching but not being able to grasp the tea is the most subtle yet strongest metaphor this show produced at the time. Fucking amazing writing, animation and character development
Yeah great and perfect show
"Only after you give up everything can you begin to find a way to be happy."
*Zoom out to show luxury yurt in beautiful mountainside location*
I think you didn't get the scene. He meant Oscars, and other vanity symbols.
MrBlaoblao Still speak volumes on what you still need to be happy, a stable place to retire to and be comfortable with all your basic needs met. How can the average joe finally maintain a stable state of happiness when most of everyone can't even afford to quit work and retire with their very own place they don't have to struggle to pay for before their bodies are too frail to enjoy life?
You also didn't get the scene. Vanity symbols != Basic human needs. From the wiki: 'A traditional list of immediate "basic needs" is food (including water), shelter and clothing. Many modern lists emphasize the minimum level of consumption of 'basic needs' of not just food, water, clothing and shelter, but also sanitation, education, and healthcare.' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_needs Having said that, I feel sorry if you live in a society where human basic needs are not within the reach of most people.
Yeah the timing of that zoom was too purposeful, glad I'm not the only one who caught that
I'm surprise that most people aren't noticing this, Cuddly Whiskers is still living in "luxury", all he did was isolete himself from other people so he doesn't feel the need to have responsabilities and have to deal with them. Most people are overthinking this scene.
bojack's reaction is just so great. "can you believe that guy, what a nut right?". This reality is too harsh for him so he completely refutes it
i vibe heavy with the message of dropping the baggage / losing everything to find this place. sometimes, you just gotta drop the weight so to speak
Hey bro i hope your doing ok
He’s just right.
I tried so hard for being loved by people around me. I cared too much about what their useless opinions. I even cried for THEIR bad behavior.
Nothing’s more important than myself for me.that’s not being selfish,that’s responsibility for your happiness.
He’s right....
Shit hit me hard
I once dedicated myself to helping others, but I ended up burning out. Right after, I ghosted all my friends to find my inner happiness. But my disappearance really did hurt them. They were worried about me and I never gave them any notice. I didn’t know that would happen. But like Cuddly Whiskers, I don’t really regret it because it wasn’t until I dropped everything did I find true happiness. Self-care is inherently selfish, but it’s necessary.
Bojack S3: oooohhhh because you’re sober?
Bojack S6: I remember everything… I’m sober now
Damn man
The first time I watch this scene I thought "giving up everything" meant something material. Now, I see that they very clearly meant to give up the traditional thoughts of what makes someone happy. To seek what makes you happy and not pursue a concept of happiness that might leave you even more empty.
Cuddly Whiskers' words really resonate in the season finale. I think BoJack has realized how truly miserable he is. I think he's going to give up everything, and finally take responsibility for his happiness.
Well... he did for a short time... ;-)
~Message from Captain Hindsight
Oh you sweet summer child!
@@Myndir I mean, you're not wrong. That's why I had to stop watching. This show was making me want to kill myself. I wonder if Raphael Bob-Waksberg is proud of himself.
@@bigbadseed7665 the series finale give you hope, it helped me to see a better future
I watched this episode today and it really struck me how Cuddly Whiskers was really describing Diane when he said that it takes a long time for people to see how miserable they are and even longer to realize it doesn't have to be that way. Diane is starting to realize how unhappy she feels about her life, but hasn't gotten to the point where she understands that a lot of the things she sees as stationary in her life (which contribute to her unhappiness) aren't actually stationary. She just has to be brave enough to move them out.
This is real nihilism. It's not the kind that edgelords use to act like they're above it all. It's the kind that believes that a meaningless life means you should strive to make it meaningful for others, and that kindness should be what you provide to others.
That is existentialism, not nihilism
@@katherinezhang8125 There's something called existential nihilism, yes. But here's a good read about nihilism and how it differs from other ideologies, including pessimism and cynicism. thereader.mitpress.mit.edu/what-nihilism-is-not/
@@mrrd4444 True, I should've said existential nihilism. Isn't that what's expressed in this scene, though, and pretty different from (though technically a subset of) typical nihilism, which is much more apathetic (like the article says, focused on seeing things more clearly with the help of apathy)? (I read the article, but it still seems to me like the scene is more existential-nihilistic than nihilistic. They are all pretty focused on creating happiness, and for Cuddlywhiskers that means the freedom of putting things behind him/abandoning things.)
@@katherinezhang8125 Nihilism and apathy are distinct, as I understand it. Apathy is a lack of care for other things, people, concepts, etc, whether active or passive, and the other is believing that life has no inherent meaning. The two can overlap, and I believe apathetic nihilism is a thing, but nihilism is inherently different from apathy because you can still be apathetic toward something and understand its meaning and value to others.
I was wrong in saying this is true nihilism, because true nihilism is kind of.... shapeless, the dedication to understanding nothing has meaning or value. Whereas existential nihilism requires a level of personal humility, and actions taken in response to it can be positive.
In all honestly I think you're referring to Absurdism
"Ιm responsible for my own happiness? I cant even be responsible for my own breakfast"
This scene genuinely changed my mindset, my mental health is still bad, but I’m trying, this show is brilliant.
You know, even if it didn't happen the way Cuddly Whiskers said, this actually perfectly foreshadows Bojack's happy ending (or at least as happy an ending as we could hope for) at the end of season 4. Out of fear of his toxicity, he gave up his friendships, but as a result was able to actually mend things a bit with Todd. He gave up his pride to make Princess Caroline happy with her new show. He gave up at least enough of his resentment of Beatrice to give her a last, happy thing to latch onto. And he even gave up Hollyhock by promising he only wanted to give her what she was searching for, even if he couldn't even see her again. And as a result, he at least somewhat gets her back.
I don't think Cuddly Whiskers was implying karma made him happy, but is certainly worked for Bojack.
He's just a tired old man. Self sufficient and introverted who already helped a lot of people and accomplished a lot. No reason he shouldn't retire like this. Bojack and Diane are completely different.
Right I kind of feel like people just accept this advice even though it's really not that simple. Thus advice doesn't really work for everyone. For instance parents obviously have to sacrifice a lot.
"Only after you give up everything can you begin to find a way to be happy."
And the show ends with Bojack losing nearly all his friends, his family, and his career. But its clear that only then is he going to start healing.
Take this with a grain of salt
"But if you ask me, I don't think you want perfect and serene and enough time to catch up on The Good Wife. Stop kidding yourself, Princess Carolyn. If you really wanted the simple life, you'd have a simple life." Princess Carolyn's hallucination of Vanessa Gekko
Princess Carolyn actually LOVES the chaos of working in Hollywoo and making projects come to life. That is her happiness. It won't look the same for everyone.
I watched this show for the first time just a few months before I did truly give up everything. I was miserable where I was and saw no continuance of my life if I stayed there. so I downsized my belongings to what I could fit in my Prius and I started my life over from scratch in California. 3 years later and multiple stints out on the streets, I can actually say that I've found more happiness in the last 3 years than I did during my first 5 years of budding adulthood.
"Sometimes you need to take responsibility for your own happiness"
From someone who always lived his life helping others (usually ungrateful relatives) believe me... it's true.
the thing is that this is true, and Jesus it's hard for me
Chai Ortiz I know right, it's really hard to make sacrifices but you gotta do it to make yourself happy
Not exactly. Never take the advice of another person so literally. What works for some doesn't always work for everyone.
Giggity
Must have watched this scene 50+ times... When I saw this episode i knew it was time to quit my career where I was making close to 90k. That was about 3.5 years ago... I make less than half now. But money never made me happy, my wallet is lighter, but so is my soul, good deal
Why do I have a feeling that everything Mr . CuddlyWhiskers said to Bojack and Diane foreshadows the main plot for season 4? At least for Bojack's character. You know, considering what happened at the end of s3?? I mean it could, considering how they foreshadowed Sarah Lynn's death in season 1...
Well... sorry to disappoint you.
It might not have been the main plot, but Bojack sort of tried to follow his advice when he went to the Sugarman cabin.
Well it kinda did, Bojack try to do the same as CuddlyWhiskers in the first episode, run away from everthing that made him sad, and fail.
"It takes a long time to realize how truely miserable you are and longer to realize it and even longer to realize it doesn't have to be that way."
Fuck man....
"Only after you give up everything, can you begin to find a way to be happy."
- guy with two houses
There could be merit in saying that there's a different between a person who doesn't have anything without choice, and someone who doesn't have anything by choice
My response was admittedly a bit cheeky (it's not like privileged people are magically incapable of realizing things from the point of view of others). But yeah that was the gist of it, pointing out another layer of the discussion basically. I generally agree with Cuddlywhiskers here. I don't think he actually gave up everything, but in another way, the scope of the quote's meaning being limited isn't a fault, just a characteristic of its meaning. Most words of wisdom have limits and exceptions (and irrelevant nitpicks, accordingly).
Ones is a halfway house remember
It’s not about giving up material things, it’s about giving up patterns of thought and behaviour that have led to your unhappiness.
Rewatching this scene now shows that maybe Bojack might find happiness with the conclusion of the show and the way it ended.
Bojack lost the people he cared about, his money, his house, and more importantly his fame on Horsin Around. He’s truly lost everything and maybe now he is able to find happiness and become like Cuddly Whiskers.
His advice is very sound but do you think he would be the same if he didn’t make millions of dollars and wasn’t set for life?
Michael Pitou I never judged him. I’m making an objective observation. He worked in this industry long enough where he is set for life. He even said it himself between the 15 and 17 second mark of the video. Did I ever scoff at him and say he should feel bad for it? Absolutely not, but that’s the reality of him. It’s easy to give up “meaningless things” and take the time to find ways to be happy when you have the means to back it up. If you have a stressful work life, the average person can’t just walk away from it and do this. You need to work (which can already be a big load of stress for some people in this world as it takes up so much of your time)and take care things that incorporate stress such as rent and food and if sometimes work can effect the things around you such as your hobbies, your sleep, maybe you’re in a relationship, things that make you happy. etc. My point is an average person can’t avoid these things and go to a mountain like Cuddly Whiskers did. The time sacrificed to find it involves dropping so many things from life. This isn’t a bad thing, but to say money is meaningless is an outright lie. It doesn’t buy happiness but there’s a reason there’s a high correlation between money and happiness. Someone who doesn’t make as much money simply can’t do what Cuddly Whiskers did. I know money doesn’t do it as Bojack is the epitome of it: having lots of money and never being more miserable in your life. I know money is subjective to whoever it is, but the means to be fulfilled unfortunately doesn’t come without a price. It’s the world we live in
Take me for instance. I’m a simple person. All I want out of life is a simple job from 9-5, run with my friends after work, and go to a house that I would like where I can be with the person I love most in my relationship. I don’t care about taking extravagant trips or shooting for a job where the money is high, but that doesn’t mean anything to me. I’m okay with that. My life can easily be fulfilled. Now take a friend of mine. He recently dropped out of college with no money in his pockets. He works a job that he doesn’t like and works awful hours. He absolutely hates it, but he can’t just walk away from this to search for a fulfilling life without sacrificing money (which he doesn’t have a lot of) as he lives in a studio apartment that he can barely afford. The time it takes to search for something fulfilling is longer than anyone can imagine. To some, it just doesn’t work like that.
I also don’t appreciate how you judged me by proclaiming that I’m unhappy with my life. I’m certainly not rich but my life is certainly fulfilled at the moment. I may not be where I want but I’m about to graduate with my bachelors and move onto grad school all while having a great relationship . If anything, you saying what you did said a lot more about you than me :/
The detail of him keeping his feet off the ground is another cool bit of visual storytelling. Bojack tried to fill his life with material things and constant admiration but it didn’t make him happy. Diane has one foot on the ground and the other in the chair, showing how she tries to hit a mix of what bojack wants and whiskers has but not seeking out her problems to fix them led to dissatisfaction and frustration. Whiskers is saying you need to give up the idea of these worldly matters making you inherently happy and work to take care of yourself before you can truly find happiness in your life.
After years of first watching this scene I finally understood what he truly meant there. It's way more than just having an anti-materialistic life or helping others. Happiness is about accepting who you are, coming to terms with the fact that you're a flawed human being and overcoming the peer presure of becoming someone you're not. It's very easy when you think about it. You know what makes you happy, but you're still can't be happy, it's weird isn't it? Because we're being pressured by all four sides by society to live a life that is not meant for us.
The validation that we all inherently seek in careers, relationships and material things can only be found inside oneself. You are the only one keeping yourself from being happy. Chasing this invisible ghost of success, believing that when you get it everything will be different. We don't even know what it is, or if it even exists, but the chase is what keep us hooked, when we get there we understand that happiness will come from inside and not out. Some people figure it out when they lose everything, some others figure it out when they reach the absolute top, but eventually we all get it.
I have a quote about happiness that goes like "When you stop chasing happiness is when you truly get it".
This scene takes on a whole new meaning now that the show is over .
One day I stopped trying to fit in. I left social media and led a much more better life for myself.
After watching the finale of Bojack Horseman, Cuddly Whisker’s words perfectly sum up the end of Diane’s story arch. She had to give up her toxic relationship with Bojack and Hollywoo and find her own happiness. Diane and Bojack both know each other better than anyone else and have an undeniable bond but they also brought out the worst in each other. In order for Diane to be happy, she had to choose herself and let Bojack and Hollywoo go. As sad as I am to see them part ways I am happy that Diane may finally find the happiness she has been searching for.
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I can't love this show enough, I legitimately believe that it's helping people change and improve their lives.
Can't wait to binge watch S5 over the weekend lol
My fiance left me after eight and a half years two months ago. Clips like this are the closest things to sense I've been able to make of the situation.
"It gets easier. Every day it gets a little easier. But you gotta do it every day. That's the hard part."
“But it does get easier.”
I get that he has a lot of great 'self help' style quotes but I cannot be the only one to have noticed how sarcastic this scene is right? I feel they're poking fun at the 'guru' type making claims they never follow, just notice the camera cut to a wide shot of the property he owns with a beautiful view and lodging as he finishes his "give up everything" spiel. The key to this scene isn't the sage advice on happiness its about how delusion is key to happiness; he perceives himself as having given up everything but in reality all hes given up on is helping people and receded into the safety of his own personal bubble. Or maybe the lesson really is "fuck responsibilities and things you've already committed to, run away from from the world only then will you finally be happy!*" but I doubt it.
*provided you've the spare income for shelter and basic necessities
honestly this is some great insight, i never thought of it that way
Scott Hall Great observation
You might have just derailed the scene entirely and I think that's very important. Great observation
Well to be fair we don't know if he actually did this do we ? We just saw him for this one scene and we know what he's told us about the life he's lived. So we don't know if that's actually legit.
I’d like to believe it’s supposed to seem ironic, but isn’t. He says he gave up things, but he also seems to have all these nice things, which would contradict his statement. But perhaps he isn’t talking about giving up all possessions and living an ascetic life as the key to happiness. He’s just trying to say that the things you think will make you happy, often times will not. We need to question what is really making us happy, and be brave in letting go.
Simply put, I’d say it’s detachment. It’s not that you can’t have nice things. You just ought to loosen the grip, not let yourself be attached to things, tangible and intangible, not fear losing them, and as a result you can just enjoy things rather than always being worried about losing them, and also you can pick and choose what things really matter to you and what doesn’t
The guy below me is incorrect
Only when 2021 after the pandemic did I truly understand what Cuddle Whiskers said
masculine urge to disappear and have a training arc even tho ik my self healing will go to shit and ill quit
Yea gotta start by stop being such a damn weebo
An IRL “ Training arc” 🤮
@@Monteya kisses you passionately*
Wow. And to think that I had a dream once about this very thing before I knew about this scene. Before I knew much about this very show. And I can't help but feel it's actually true.
The message is really a rehash of the Buddhist teaching of "Taṇhā" - that the cause of suffering is desire and getting rid of desire is the road to ending suffering.
I think I can understand that. However, that is not to say that it is synonymous with "not living", if you will?
but is it? the buddhist teaching wants you to free yourself from all desire, but i think it's not what cuddly whiskers meant. he thinks, that you should free yourself from expected desires or from desires from your past. That makes you very unpredictable to people from the outside, but you actually do what you want, because you don't feel forceful and lighter about life.
"I'm happy for the first time in my life and I'm not going to feel bad about it."
Ona a simplistic point of view, Diane thought too much of herself just like Bojack did. That’s why they connected in some point. They thought they had the power to make other people feel a certain way. Kind of delusions of grandeur. Bojack thought he could do it through his shows and movies and Diane, through her writing. It’s only by loving yourself and loving what you do is when you can actually start making a little change in the world. Not by imaging it. You have to be there present. They were constantly imaging how cool it would be to help others but whenever they had the opportunity to do it, since it didn’t look the way they imagine it in their heads, they started judging every single aspect of it. Making excuses for themselves.
I love it when princess Caroline takes Diane novel and tells her to stop it. Her simple focus towards action and problem solving helped Diane to see what she was missing. She was always trying to reach for things that were, ironically, out of reach. While ignoring what she had in front of her.
I think princess Caroline is the heart and mind of the show. She’s the one who puts the pieces of the puzzle together by giving Todd a career path, helping Diane with her novel and trying to cultivate Bojack’s conscience. Reason why she’s my favourite character. Even with her shadows, I still think Princess Caroline was the most caring, badass and no BS character of all.
There are multiple paths to happiness. Sometimes it takes more effort. Sometimes people make it much much harder than it needs to be
I go back to this episode every once in a while just to remind myself that my happiness is important and that I need to do what I need to do sometimes. This show will always have a place in my heart. ❤
"It takes a long time to truly realize how miserable you really are and it takes a longer time to realize that it doesn't have to be that way. Only when you gave up everything will you find a way to be happy"
This is one of thee best lines in the entire series because it gives us this existential lesson that when you accept the fact that life doesn't need to have meaning in others to feel it is worth living and the fact the one's life is absurd. That's when you can start to look for a way to give life meaning. Because giving life meaning and thinking that life has meaning are two different things. This is something Camu will approve. And when you do this you can truly feel happy.
herb and whiskers become happy after giving up or loosing fame and started helping others. and now bojack is going down the same path (until the second half of season 6 screws him over)
Bojack is the one who screwed himsemf over. He has to face the music
@@rosesweetcharlotte i know, was to lazy to type that part
Im amazed at Diane’s toxicity. Can you imagine telling someone that pulled back to focus on themselves and found happiness that it was selfish of them to shift their life to HELPING PEOPLE. Lmfao the fuckery
this scene always makes me cry- a true vessel of self discovery. amen for these writers.
You know, I know where Cuddlywhiskers is going with this, but I think it's kinda flawed as a concept. I'm not saying things make you happy, obviously not. But you can't be happy 100% of the time, all the time, and things will at least keep you distracted during those times you feel a little down, until you find your ground again. Not to mention he chooses to live in a very secluded place, away from, well, everyone, not making contacts with anyone else around him. And people (as well as anthropomorphic animals) are social beings by nature: Keeping yourself at lenght from everyone else is certainly not a gateway to happiness.
And I say that but, then again, I don't think there's one single way to find happiness. A secluded, hermit life might actually work for Cuddlywhiskers, but for more social people that would never work. To me, it's more a state of mind than anything else: Appreciate the things you have in your life, find the positive in them! You have a boyfriend/girlfriend? Great, you're in love! You're single? Great, you're free to do whatever you want whenever you want! One way or another, nothing in your life have to be a negative, you just have to see the positive elements of the life you live, no matter what they are! At least that's my key to happiness.
And before someone says Bojack doesn't have any positive in his life, that is so not true! Todd and Diane and Princess Caroline and even Mr. Peanutbutter are all amazing parts of his life, at least for most of the show; he ought to appreciate their presence more! I mean, it's when all of them gave up on him at the end of season 3 that he got close to kill himself. The dude really have to repair those relationships somehow...
I generally agree. Concepts that are catchy and seem clever in their simplicity are often the ones that stick in the head the most, regardless of comparative merit. If a concept is long-winded, intricate or just generally tricky to explain, it could be the truest thing ever but it still won't be remembered as well as one of the snugger more bitesized ones.
ChevaliersEmeraude I think cuddly whispers offers the best path to long term contentment. His path js the buddhist way or the eckhart tolle way, and only these can promise and make good on that promise
I think being happy here can be boiled down to just being "OK" with yourself. Cuddlywhiskers found a way to do that, and so he finds happiness. Sure, it might not last "forever", but it doesn't have to--that wasn't the goal. He's found the life that allows him to be able to spend it in relative peace and bliss. He might get sad every once in a while, but his new life will pull him back to a better state because he's found a way to make peace with himself in its entire and reshaped his life in a way that cuts out the chaos that was making his miserable.
Is contentment really that important, though? That sort of happiness is sterile. It is peaceful, blissful even, but lacking in progress and meaning.
Definitely💕 I don't think abandoning everyone that cares about you is the gateway to happiness, and I do consider myself a happy and positive person. But I just can't picture myself doing that and realize that's what I needed.
It's healthy to give yourself some time to recharge on your own, and it's often a good sign that you enjoy your time alone. But isolation is a completely different thing. I think I didn't like this scene that much, I can't agree with it. Perhaps he lived with a lot of toxic people around him, which would make sense, because he realized he didn't have to carry their burden. But I don't completely agree with this philosophy.
There is massive truth in that last part about it not having to be that way. All of our situations are different. But there are so many people who just assume that it's not even worth trying.
For all the show's greatness, this is the scene in Bojack that's stuck with me more than any other. I feel it's overlooked by many.
Does anyone else think its advice that's very hard to apply to yourself? Like, this guy was rich and afforded this peaceful mountain retreat where he could go and meditate, grow flowers and help people freely. Most of us are living paycheck to paycheck, struggling just to afford to live in society, how are we supposed to achieve the same inner peace when we have so many more stresses on our lives? It's not like we can wake up everyday and just decide to sit in the garden with some tea, we have to go work our 9-5 just to pay the bills.
Maybe I'm missing the point here.
You think owning a piece of land in the mountains makes one happy. But the guy just cut connections to his "friends" and got rid of stuff he didn't need. Most people can't get rid of all that, but will want the house in the mountains for sure.
This show is hands down the most accurate portrayal of Hollywood I have ever seen.
The comments here made feel really proud of being part of this fandom, I hope you all have a wonderful life :)
That's a nice yurt Cuddly Whiskers is living in.
"it takes a long time to see how truly miserable you are, and even longer to see that it doesn't have to be that way" wow this hits hard
I just don't understand how she thinks it's selfish to take responsibility for your own happiness... Putting your happiness in other people's hands is the worst thing you could do.
1:11 season 6 ending everyone
I love Cuddly Whisker’s philosophy, I too love helping others and it makes me happy
"Only after you give up everything can you begin to find a way to be happy." I remember when I first watched this show as it premiered hearing that line and being so shaken by it. Because I didn't want to think it was true. But there was a reason why it stuck so much with me. Now a decade later (Jesus Christ) I know just how true it is. And what's more? It's actually not a sad truth. It just is.
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Me pareció tierno ver a Bojack queriendo alcanzar el te pero sin querer levantarse
Una metáfora a su vida, quiere ser feliz pero no es capaz de cambiar su actitud y situación que lo hace miserable, quiere sentirse bien consigo mismo siendo tal y como es y eso es imposible para el
It very interesting to rewatch this after season 6.
the thing about all these, i made my life better people, in this show, is they are rich and used that money to make it happen. like the hamster, his whole peaceful setup cost a bunch of money... real easy to say all that stuff when u made money being bad
Damn what a cry baby you are.
One thing I noticed! Is that when Bojack tried to reach for his tea. He couldn't reach it. And he gives up instead of just standing and reaching it.
There’s a healthy amount of selfishness.. hell sometimes you gotta be selfish to be healthy.
I think this is where the show is going, Bojack is going to have to give up everything, his fame and friends, but actually achieves happiness despite this fact.
He kind of already did hi changed his job his appearance and he moved to a new city the only connection he will have is his sister because he teaches at her college
Cuddly whiskers already grabbed it and is enjoying it
Bojack struggles to reach his drink and never does get it
Diane doesn't reach for it yet
Misery is comfortable because it’s easy. Happiness requires effort.
This scene pops into my head once in a while
0:43 for those who just wanna here his quote
THIS, is exactly what Sarah Lynn needed in order to get her help. I wish Bojack or somebody would have seen that. So instead of Cuddly Whiskers using her like he did back then, he could be the one to help her.
“It takes a long time to realize your miserable. It takes an even longer time to realize it doesn’t have to be that way”
The entire season three was about BoJack winning an Oscar. You expect him to win and feel so miserable, he wants to die. It subverts that by making him not even get nominated, and he still wanted to die.
This reminds me of a scene in Megamind where Metro Man reveals how he survived his "death". He wanted to do what he wanted & be whomever he wanted as opposed to just being a hero like the city wanted. Roxanne was upset at this because she believed that him helping the city & protecting its citizens was more important & saw what Metro Man wanted as a selfish desire. It's philosophical thinking that's always interesting & conflicting to me: do you sacrifice your own happiness to help others or do you make yourself happy at the risk of not helping anyone or hurting them?
yeah he is happy, but Diane has a point... what if we all did what he did, would we all be happier? is what Mr c did different from what any egoistic human being would do? to dedicate your life to yourself?
Perhaps happiness isn't really all that important.
If you give up everything in order to be happy, then that only leaves you alone, with your own thoughts. This advice would only work to those that rant self loathing, miserable, disgusting people that wallow in their own self pity and fetishize their own sadness subconsciously. This practice of being happy isn't easy, or viable for some. Cuddly Whiskers is a special brand of being that can let go of all of this, some of us are what is wrong with us, this is the problem with his advice. You can run away from everything but the one thing that always keeps up with you is you.
Gosh, season three has got to be the darkest, toughest season of bojack. Incredible.