Royal Navy: Recruitment in the Senior Service in a state of collapse?
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- The Royal Navy is losing the battle to attract new talent, with one senior defence source saying recruitment is in a state of collapse.
Sky news has learnt that the drop in personnel could hamper the forces' ability to fight at sea and even man the nuclear deterrent.
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I subscribed to a young man on YT who applied for a submariner position. The process took months to complete, after which he was told that he would have to wait a further 18 months to 2 years to get an answer. He couldn't put his life on hold, so he gave up and withdrew. The Royal Navy lost an enthusiastic, smart recruit.
Maybe his security clearance wasn’t golden?…..
@@Aaron-ww7ks Could be. If he made anti-same sex comments on social media. Why would a same sex mob let their enemy into their ranks.
@@Aaron-ww7ks 18 years old, no criminal record at all. The Royal Navy didn't tell him that there was a problem or that he might not be qualified. They just told him he would need to wait. I was really shocked at how long. He couldn't wait that long, so he abandoned his submariner dream and pursued a position with the Merchant Navy. In the US, the USN would enlist a good recruit right away, but the Royal Navy apparently thinks it can do things at a leisurely pace.
The wait was entirely due to ‘training pipeline’ issues. Not enough operational boats and bunks for the required number of trainees.
He was also the wrong race.
Young people are not joining the Navy in 2023 because the Navy lives in 1967, is kitted out for 2008 and is managed by people who dream of 1944
I was in the RN in the sixties and it felt very Victorian.
100% accurate
LMAO 😂🤣
Same in 1982 during the Falklands war.
@@cobbler40In what way?
Why the hell would anyone want to go into services? When they see how badly they are treated when there lives are ruined by injury.
What’s the point of anyway?
I never understood how anyone thinks getting on a ship or airplane and going to some mission or war thousands of miles away in another country’s war is considered defending your country!
Risking life and limbs is only for defending your people, not to go out there invading and killing people who were not a threat to your people!
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It's better to meet the enemy on their doorstep than them to come knocking at yours. @@fwfeo
Will they accept 66 year old RN Falklands Vets? I could do with some sea time to escape the grandkids.
My son, wanted to go into the forces. He had a distinction in sports sciences from a college near Norwich. He applied first to the Navy, but was rejected. He then applied for a commission in the RAF,was accepted, and is now a pilot officer (not that he flies planes) at RAF Marham. He loves his job, and is glad he is the RAF. His experience in training from Worthy Down showed him that he was better off being in the RAF and not the navy. Repeat, he is very happy, and as a father I am very pleased for him. Candidly, yes of course I may be biased as his father, but he is intelligent, fit and a loyal committed person. I fail to understand what the navy did not see in him. Perhaps they should go back to press gangs, as such qualities are not needed. But then, in hindsight, he now thinks the RAF, offers him the better career.
At least he’s found something he loves now, respect to him 🫡
He is better off in the RAF. Much easier life, probably half the working hours and double the holidays.
RAF is easiest life out the three services.
@@jacobs3031 I went to an RAF base in Kosovo as we were helping them with a job, the steak we had there was ace lol.
@@sprre3899 know two in RAF very happy with their careers one a PT the other a mover. Another lad I knew from school joined army signals talked about leaving from start to finish lol.
Just open a recruitment centre in Dover, new recruits are young, aggressive and will have completed their first stint at sea.
Lmao
Stop making cuts to pay and benefits year after year. Improve the pay and conditions and then people will want to join. We always say the military can't strike but watching this has made me realise that there is a strike going on. It might not be an organised one like the teachers and NHS but the number of people leaving and lack of numbers joining is starting to have the same effect.
exactly!
My Nephew a currently serving engineering PO, excellent training and life, but he’s constantly being headhunted by MOD contractors, BAE, Rolls Royce, he’s just returned from Australia, an Australian Contractor working on a British Warship with him has offered him a job, 160k + 50k (Aus $)golden hello + subsidised housing, a systems engineer at a currently being built power station £70k + overtime, he’s the only one of his intake that’s still in the navy, the jobs for marine engineers is phenomenal, apparently, his opinion on the officers, is Wardroom W⚓️
The UK armed forces have basically been gutted. Lack of funding with no real will to increase spending
@user-vl6xt2rt7p to be fair the Torys have been in power for over a decade and since then the UK has gone to the toilet.
First with the disaster of Brexit.
Second, the terrible mismanagement of public funds and public programs (mostly for greedy reasons)
Finally, general corruption and half-baked/bad faith policies.
All the funding going into the 1000s of immigrants from Africa we keep letting flood into the country putting even further strain on our system. Tiny island filled to the brim with people that don't even belong here or appreciate it.
No wonder the Navy has no funding. We will continue to be a joke to the planet until someone with sense obtains power
British military recruitment takes an absolute age to get through, especially the GP checks that takes months potentially, it’s stupid, what’s wrong with a clinical triage and a fitness test
utterly ridiculous.. Capita are NOT fit for purpose in any way shape or form...
I was accepted then told i was on a waiting list that would take minimum 18 months before I could start my training. In that time I ended up landing an engineering apprenticeship and have never looked back now earning 3x what I could for the navy.
Who on earth would join the armed services, poor pay and conditions not to mention being ordered into combat on some lost foreign cause.
There will always be conflict, and as long as nations exist, there will always be some nutter in some far corner of the earth wanting more than he can chew. Someone has to keep those "leaders" in check.
One of the issues I have with the forces is I left after 12 years as a Sgt, I then did 2 degrees BA & MA, so 4 years out, i applied to join the TA and they said I could go back in as a LCpl quite rightly i told them to F off, as I pointed out my skill base, leadership and experience had quadrupled in those 4 years and I should be getting a commission not a demotion, especially as many TA in a higher rank had never served in the regs, their experience equated to less than a year full time, so wasn't having any of it, their loss
I served in the Royal Navy in the 60s and 70s and had a great time .saw countries i never thought i would see .had great oppos and still meet them at reunions and ships was great to sail in ...
Sadly me too and miss those days... However different world, different generation and certainly a very different Navy..
No surprise. The medical took 19 months to complete. The whole process lasted three years then my application expired. Totally inefficient as documents have to be posted and are constantly lost. Capita are a disaster. The RN AFCO recruitment staff are completely disinterested, aggressive and lazy. There has not been any effort to reform the recruitment process which is why it is in such a state. They lose thousands of good people a year because of a faulty process. If it was a business it would be in receivership.
*PRECISELY*
the pay is rubbish, why join up to risk life & limb for very little?!?!?
King and Country!!!
@@vincentblack7467 Not My King!
@@YorkGod1sad man!!
Not necessarily king and country. The excitement of deployment is one of the reasons why people join up. However, there’s no major conflict in recent years where soldiers may not even have a chance to fight. And it come down to problems of discrimination and low pay. If soldier don’t get fighting for their country, they often do the same duty every day which have no difference between they work in a business where they can earn and enjoy more than life in military and being yelled at by the csm and petty officers
They don't care about the veterans
No No No.
I tried along with others to apply for the Royal Navy, and myself and the people I have spoken to have all be rejected because of silly little problems we had when we were younger.
If the Royal Navy want people they should accept the eager people like myself and the others. The people that they are recruiting are people that aren’t eager and leave the service after training.
This is really upsetting for people who want to join the Royal Navy.
And I hope they change the way that they recruit there staff.
The navy was always a dream for me living in a Navy populated town.
I was devastated when they said no
HIDE THE CYRONS 😂😂😂
It is also a problem with capita the third party medical company which is literally taking the smallest medical problems and then deferring or rejecting applications 2 years ive tried and im still doing it
I thought about joining British military but what put me off the most was pay. Police, prison, fire, a ambulance, border force are in the range of £30k for new recruits. Whilst British military your looking at approx half that. So first thing to sort out is increase pay by approx £14k with all the ranks. Most junior ranks well benefits most as approx will double their pay. British military will then be able to compete in the job market. Others things then to deal with is accommodation and get that sorted right. Then can look at better training and equipment. Of course only way his going to happen is if defence spending increased needs to be about 5.5% of gdp. It’s ridiculous national debt interest payments is at 2% of gdp with total borrowing at 86% gdp.
My niece was a serving police officer, she resigned after two years, she said the force she was with treated their officers appallingly, she joined from a HR background, she started up an industrial cleaning company, she’s earned twice as much in 10 months as she would have in two years as a police officer
Pay is not what stops folks joining the services in general, conditions of service is the biggest cause of lack of retention and recruitment.. although they won't say that..
Around Covid I am sure there were record number of applicants and recruits to the point where Dartmouth got used for rating training as an overflow. So what happened to all that influx?
wouldn’t surprise me if it just dropped off a a bit below recruitment target (like a lot of countries) and now the press are jumping on the opportunity to cause panic and saying the military’s about to collapse. fear sells
My stepson has literally been told today after months of going through the process that because he declared on his form that he had eczema on his arm when he was 8 hes not medically fit. 10 years ago with no recurrence since. Absolute joke.
Yes my son is in the same situation, had eczema when u was 5 and says he's unfit. Only had eczema once.
Lol, tried applying for the Army, and instantly rejected me for similar reasons.
FGS, that they're rejecting people for things as a basic as one occurrence of eczema in childhood. Then they deserve their recruiting problems.
I applied to the Navy for MEO Submarines in my final year of university. After the medical phase was drawn out for close to a year because of Capita I ended up withdrawing just after the SIFT interview and took another job offer. Can't keep people in admin limbo for that long and expect them not to look at other careers.
I think Capita has now been seen as unfit for purpose and is being 'overhauled' for that exact reason. They have been put on short notice to improve.
@BoroBootBoy That really doesn't surprise me. I pulled my application over five years ago but everyone I knew at the time who was also applying was having the same issues to the point our URNU boss started telling us to apply at least a year or two ahead of graduating so we didn't waste any time.
Capita are definitely a problem they have speed up a bit but are still shocking the problem is they have too many fingers in pies. They do assments for disabilitys and OH. It's like they have monopolised that area of the market.
Recruit those crossing the channel, that's experience at sea on a plate for the Navy!
The Service deserves to be in the state it is, it really is its own doing.
My application took over 9 months, only to be told that something on my medical record from 17 years ago that hadn't been a problem since barred me from entry.
If anything I overexercise, exercising 7 day a week, have run marathons, have peak fitness and had enthusiasm for the service. "The recruitment crisis" is the direct result of MOD policy.
Get down on Dover beach, plenty of " experienced " sailors there!
I served in the RN for 25 years. If I thought of joining today I wouldn't bother. It's not a good career anymore, and it's the same for all the forces.And the RAF... the idea of dancing around in pink to YMCA doesn't appeal to any man.
Gen
Know of people in the RAF who joined few year ago they are the most happiest and content.
Pay better wage . Problem solved
They hired civilians to handle recruitment, and they have more emphasis on diversity and inclusion than making the forces look attractive to everyone.
It shouldn't be attractive to anyone. That's the problem. They try to make it attractive to everyone and as a result, make it attractive to no one. They need to stop trying to push women to join, as women clearly don't want the same things men do.
Not true entirely but I know friends of mine who have resigned from the RN coz its so woke now
My lad was and still is wanting to join but a silly little previous medical problem that doesnt effect him now has stopped this! Somthing that would not effect him in his service but as there medical procedure is so outdated my lad who is wanting to join unfortunately cant!!
Exact same thing happened to me because I went to doctors when I was 17 with a bad back.
Why is anyone surprised? Why would anyone join the armed forces when they're kitted out with sub-standard equipment and disregarded when anything goes wrong. And then there's the bullying that also happens. Glad people are seeing the light 😊
Bullying? Not in my 14 years of regular service. The kit nowadays is superior to what I had.
@@NoFsGiven666 Fake
There's no such thing as bullying. Grow a pair softie.
Sonething a bully says to a victim. @@AverageAlien
Why fight for your country when your Country isnt yours any more?
Makes 0 sense but okay, stop being a keyboard warrior and fight for your country mr patriot
@@ItsAristonsophosmakes total sense
There was a time the Royal Navy was something to be proud off.
IKR?!
I applied and was successful at joining the Royal Navy back in 2015. I went to HMS Raliegh in October of 2015. However, the moment I walked through the gate, I knew right away what a mistake I'd made. My room at Raliegh had around 25 men in it, and the heating was broken and constantly on. The windows could only open a crack as the building was so old and falling to peaces. The training staff were brutal and picked out certain recruits who would be constantly ridiculed and made fun of. When it came to swearing elegance , I stuck my hand up and chose to leave. At that moment, I thought I'd thrown my life away, as all the training staff said prior to the swearing of elegance was how crap the civilian job market was. However, I left and walked right into a traineeship in construction. I'm now a drainage engineer making double the money. I would have been stuck in a submarine 6 months of the year. It's not appealing at all. The benefits don't outweigh the huge negatives. Plus, I kept in touch with around 10 of the lads who stayed. Of that 10 only 1 is still serving the rest left after 4 years, having regretted every moment. All of these have really struggled to leave and get a decent job.
Its simple Take the military recruitment away from a tory owned company ....Capita
No pride in thecountry why fight for it.😮
The whole country is in a state of collapse
I imagine an war in Europe would have some impact on recruitment…
Im a British military pilot. I've just been offered five times my salary to do the same job in the private sector.
Simple fix , pay more
Should start at least £25k not £21k.
Men don’t want to defend this society or culture anymore. The fall is coming.
Maybe if they stopped advertising for foreigners to join army, made some patriotic weapons and fought to defend UK instead of US theyd be lots of proud Brits willing to join!
Way the government treats them do blame that no one wants to join
Sad state for the senior service. Isn't the Chief of Defence Staff a RN officer? He needs to do something about this state of affairs.
The fella in the advert at the start quit the navy and isn’t a submariner any more.
Senior leadership team across the Services more concerned with diversity targets than looking after their personnel. Wait until the pay review body recommendations are rejected for a 2% increase. Forces are hemorrhaging personnel which will only get worse.
The Canadian Navy, several years ago had major problems in recruiting.
They decided to take recruits up to the age of fifty !
I saw a British program on Royal Navy, and was shocked that all the training staff were obese.
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I recommend tapping into the Nepalese for a Naval, Marine, and Air Gurkha's. They'll provide a source of quality recruits.
im 19, did carpentry in college and havnt found a job in over 3 months and seriously thinking about applying, is it even worth it, a friend of mine is enlisted and he says its great but i dont know
I just failed the army but getting fitter and still determined but might join the navy.
Join the RFA instead. Basically, it's the same, but with better terms and conditions, your own cabin, and more time off. And far less Bullshit. I did 25 yrs RN & 18 in RFA so I've seen both. Good luck.
We have boats full of young men arriving everyday. I'm told they are use to dangers at sea and boat journeys. So should be a perfect fit. Problem solved
Lolololol 😂😂😂
If I had to wear that hat in the preview screen or whatever it’s called; yeah, I would stay far away too… 😂
i joined up in 77 went to my local army navy recruitment center remember them! passed the tests and interviews not even sure there was a medical before went to Raleigh by train and went onto collingwood recruitment since it was privatised has never delivered the number of candidates required but still gets the contracts funny old world
I expect this is because senior officers have been more interested in diversity and inclusion than in filling the ranks.
BS ....the navy has been always diverse unlike the Army who eventually embraced modern Britain on merit not colour or creed...as for the junior service they are in a bit of a mess
@@daveco4645😂
Do they take it disabled people? If so I'll think about it. I was gonna join at 21. But i had a serious RTA at 19 that left me paralysed from the chest down due to a SCI (Spinal Cord Injury).
you'd think there's so many engineers and doctors arriving by the boat, signing up to navy would be a natural choice for them, but no....
Half the people moaning have never even been in the forces😂
I remember the army put an advert saying they see a group of yobs as a team with one objective or something.
13 years of Conservative defence cuts have reduced both opportunities and morale. The outsourcing of recruitment to Capita has been a disaster, they haven't hit their target once since it was awarded, taking nearly a year to process application is it any wonder people lose interest?
I applied years ago for army just a nightmare start to finish I was ready to join and passed selection. It just dragged on and on. If your recruiter goes on holiday they just put your application on hold 😂.
@@jacobs3031 And they wonder why people won't join???
American. (US Army Vietnam War) A war in youth is perhaps life's ultimate test; however, war or peace, a man needs to follow his own star whatever course or direction leads. A nation's military reflects the society it serves for better or worse and I've noticed here in the States evident laxity accorded gender-normative political correctness; while the beginning video shot of a male and female atop RN sub turret was almost predictable. A rite of masculine passage has been whittled away leaving a less challenging perception of the armed forces in its wake. Admittedly, this may be off accuracy and just my own take but all things considered there my two cents land.
So men are put off serving their country because they might have to work with women? Ok.
Do they have any ships??
Three out of six Type 45 destroyers are in refit, catapults should have been fitted to the two aircraft carriers, could have used F16’s as well as F35’s, F16’s would have been a cheaper option, yet the Chief of Defence Staff at the time of the aircraft carriers was being planned though that catapults were to expensive, at the time the CoDS was a General and didn’t really want the carriers, they have the ships, but like all equipment the MOD has gone for the cheapest option, Phalanx guns were fitted on the carriers as an afterthought
@@davidharris4062F16s on carriers ??? WTF.
£346 a week after basic training, is it any wonder people are not queuing up to risk there lives?
Due to litigation and claims all armed forces are now so picky that really good recruits are passed over due to past illness, sometimes childhood illnesses. My son applied, failed and appealed and failed again because he had gone to the GP when he was 10 because he had headaches. They went back over 12 years on his health history. At 22 he is now a successful CNC and laser cutter engineer in the private sector. I'm ex Navy engineer and i asked why a healthy 20 year old can't join. I was told more and more claims are made regarding health and injury so anything that might lead to a claim voids an applicant.
Do they still have the sea cadets I can remember some of the lads learning the discipline and seamanship they loved it but there was no mobiles and hi-pads then.
can I join royal navy in a student visa ? I'm from the commonwealth country. There is no 5 years residency requirement like army ?
Too picky I applied to be a seaman specialist. Was told my maths score didnt meet the criteria everything else was fine. I could understand this being a problem if i wanted to do engineering but I didn't.
Join RFA instead. It's better and easier to join.
@@stephennelmes4557 I applied and had the same problem.
Same here in the U.S.
I applied in January. Its currently July an I haven’t even done my fitness test uet
Put national service into place, 5 year fixed term compulsory once aged 18.
Yh right. An islamic national service. Behave
What about recruiting from the Commonwealth, the Army recruits from Fiji for example.
They already do.
No problem, sadly we don't have a Navy anymore.
One fix could be to pay sailors, who are considered operational every day at sea, should be paid much more than the army and Air Force.
Why is that surprise? Look at the naff ads, puts men off, just appeals to women nowadays. All the service ads are the same. Skin crawling.
When the commander blames young people for being on their phones when he actually needs to look inward rather than lay blame on todays young people
The choice of shadow-banning words on here are ridiculous.
What a load of bollocks. There is an easy fix it's called offering decent salaries and job security.
A lot of it is to do with pay across all the services, when can earn more money being a team leader in supermarket and get to your home bed everyday, no real incentive to join the services, also another thing is as well is every government that comes in cuts the service so dont know if will still have a job by the time new government comes in.
In this dangerous world, defence spending must be increased to 3% of gdp and national service be reintroduced to increase the strength of the armed forces.
I would like to Join the Royal navy, I’m from Ghana, any chance for me or help.
5000 bonus for submarine service it’s bringing in many more I’m about to sign up for the Navy also.
More money for the Armed forces 👍🇺🇲
The hourly rate when worked out on deployment 24/7 is interesting. 36k works out at 4 pounds an hour.
Such a shame no more WRNS.
Joining ANY Military Service is a complete waste of a life unless a marketable trade skill can be learned there or a totally useless idiot needs to learn discipline & hygiene to get on in life. Everybody has seen the Ex Military Homeless spat out used & worn out with no future. All the young lives wasted by idiot, uncaring Politicians.
Maybe some of the people who make documentaries about life in the Navy could join up and fill some gaps because there soon won't be enough ships for the number of documentary teams around,
just bring back conscription no?
Senior Officers rarely listen to the back bone of the Royal Navy &Royal Marines , they just don’t listen.
Its disconcerting when they have to advertise for a Officer Rank, Vice Admiral at the Job Centre, as they cannot fill that appointment, we know it's only paper pushing and man management, without knowing anything about the Royal Navy, What does that say about the state of our Royal Navy; What are our Naval Officers thinking, blow this for a lark, lm out of here? It not only part of the RN problem, all services are having the same problem, Salaries are too low for the amount of time one serve's, one does more than a 40 hour week and works more days continuously, live in substandard accommodation or when deployed live in a field. We are asking too much of our service personnel and we don't treat them with respect when they come home, we don't help them if they have issues with housing or need family counseling but all these issues are political created by politicians, use them in a state of war, then throw them out when finished.
My grandson is thinking about being a officer, get a grip RN now.
I served 12 years in the Royal Navy, many of those years in Fishery Protection chasing away French, Dutch and other nations fishing boats out of our waters and I felt I was doing something good, now I would not join because there is no way I would serve on a ship that was meant to protect our boarders in acting as an escort vessel to rubber dingies across the channel.
For those who want to prefent and pre-empt any chance of being called up to the army get yourself into a mental wellness programme now with a mental clinician - keep all written records
Combining my own experience with the Royal Navy, the content on this video, and the content of this videos comment section, I have gathered that the Royal Navy, the Royal Marines being exempt from this, want to recruit people if a certain ilk!, a very small ilk ot people for that matter.
I know being in the military as a whole is very demanding, especially in conflict, but I, to a degree, disagree with the recruitment criteria of our military! Their expectations need to be a little lower in order to attract the right people willing to do the jobs required!
The Royal Navy spokesperson said it, there is no problem in recruiting prospects. Apparently a drop of 22% is no worry for them. Keep on sailing chaps
Maybe the previous year was a bumper year, so 22% reduction brings it back to ‘normal’. 🤔 The vid doesn’t give enough data to know (ie multi year recruitment, multi year resignations/end of contracts, specific specialisms and how they are faring etc)
Pay more
Lets it a spade a spade. Does it come down to job security and income?
because the wages are terrible for whats expected
Wearing that silly hat probably puts recruits off.
Is it the young people? Or the people asking them to join?
I’m planning on joining now so something clearly worked lmao
Come take common wealth recruites we willing n ready any time any day
The RN is not run like the Army or RAF it lives in the past. It needs to be brought into line with the other armed forces.