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Enchanters were and are heavily underrated because they’re not a damaged focused class therefore resist the mathematical capture of optimization. It’s hard to quantify their effect unless you have actually seen it. Essentially they are screwing with enemies turns, which is a defensive feature. In any campaign with a lot of non-combat interactions they are the best subtype IME. I do wish other subclasses had features like the enchanter which really tied into the subclass. Conjurer has good features, but they only sort of tie into conjuration school.
Great job. It's good to see how you change the build based on making "sub-optimal" choices. I love min-maxing, but there is definitely a role for making a character interesting. 5e is generally well balanced enough that taking away a small advantage doesn't gimp the character, and it can open up a lot of variety. Hypnotic gaze can make kidnap missions a lot, lot easier which is something fireball doesn't necessarily do.... Thanks again, High Optimagus.
Enchanter benefits from an artificer dip way more than other wizards. Basic gameplan is cast your big concentration battlefield control first round, then second round you use hypnotic gaze and sanctuary on yourself as a bonus action. Along with medium armor and shield proficiency, your defense is better than most martials, let alone wizards.
Wouldn't necessarily need to be Artificer for this, if you changed around your ability scores Cleric might be a better option. Having healing word available for a pop up on a downed ally even when using Hypnotic Gaze could be more crucial than keeping wisdom low for more Dexterity
@@mme.veronica735I disagree, having con save proficiency is most likely better than heavy armor. You are a caster so you want good dex for initiative, meaning you are most likely to lose value when using heavy armor. Also heavy armor requires strength, unless you are a dwarf. Speed is important for this strat considering the poor range on hypnotic gaze.
Hooray the one I'm most excited for! Before I watched your guide on wizard schools and what not I already wanted to play an Enchantment Wizard as it, and illusion, sounded the most interesting and fun to me. Sure evocation is great for damage, but sounds a bit boring to me sometimes. Even a level 1 this guide is kinda making me feel a bit better about myself as it had a lot of what I was considering going for if I ever play a wizard. I imagine playing them as a spy, trying to work their way into human colonies and somehow weakening them from the inside and sending strategic information back home to prepare for an attack.
Just use a disguise before doing friends. Hat of disguise makes friends OP. Disguise yourself as the enemy leader, use friends on everyone, start a riot without save throws.
This is an amazing strategy and I've used it with great results ! Friends is, ironically, more useful to create enemies than, well... friends! Sadly, a low level Wizard doesn't have access to many spells and cantrips and is heavily reliant on some spells early game, but I'll grab it again with a new character I'm playing as soon as possible.
Playing a bounty hunter with this would be cool. You charm them then grapple them to jail with no extra saves (edit: you would have to grapple them first then use your action on the next turn to charm them, then drag them with your move)
I had the interesting idea of tying a loop that you throw over the creature’s head after using Hypnotic Gaze. It’s Incapacitated and so you shouldn’t have any trouble doing so. The idea is that you can then drag the creature with you and keep it within 5 feet. The idea then is to more easily take the creature with you away from everything else. Although you’d definitely have to ask your DM before trying this. Some would say you move at half speed, while others might say that dragging the creature would require your action as it’s not actually a grapple.
17:00 with +2 Dex, light crossbow is better than a ranged cantrip, and shortsword + dagger is better than an up-close cantrip. If you can afford any of that, of course.
I took 1 level of Fathomless warlock and then went enchanter. BOOM Siren! Weaponized the bonus action, all the underwater abilities , swim speed etc...
With friends cantrip and suggestion I'd definitely take disguise self or maybe even go for changling race. It's either that or a dip into warlock for mask of many faces also good with a charisma-boosted race. With spells like suggestion and mass suggestion, I'd take linguist as a feat and aim for languages that are known by types of monster that don't understand common.
@@TreantmonksTemple that's cool, I'm reading through your guide to wizards on your site and loving the in depth spell analysis. I'll just have to wait for the Necromancer build video 😁 happy RP heavy optimancy to you!
What do you think if you make the enchanter only use enchantment spells and concept wise the enchanter liked to use others do his fighting for him and keep himself clean. Using find familiar to use the touch spells do the range Is 100. My first game is Thursday and I made same race as this enchanter. And that is my concept I'm doing. I think I only have like 2 damage spells total and he's starting at lvl 6
Why use chill touch on an undead if it won't do damage? If it requires a to hit roll to impose disadvantage then wouldn't it be better to take the dodge action?
This character concept is obviously crafted with combat in mind, and other than a few level 1 rituals, has surprisingly little to offer the party outside of combat. Here is how I developed my enchanter so far: Ability scores: Str 10 (I hate not being able to clear 10-foot pits), Dex 14, Con 14, Int 14, Wis 12, Cha 12. Race: variant human, prodigy feat (proficiency + expertise deception, proficiency poisoner's kit, 1 additional language) Background: custom, with forgery kit, 1 language, nature, medicine, and criminal background feature. Level 1: control flames, mending, minor illusion, alarm, comprehend languages, disguise self, detect magic, fog cloud, shield Level 2: charm person, mage armor Level 3: misty step, Nystul's magic aura Level 4: +2 intelligence, fire bolt, arcane lock, invisibility Level 5: fear, tiny servant (it's a party of 5 with few combats - don't need to spend too many spell picks on combat spells)
> Someone like this is going to be playing cards Who is the small dark stranger there? Maverick was her name Slidin' the trail to who knows where Pluck is her companion Scamming is her game She's gonna bring you hell Fare thee well goes your will Luck is the hero that she loves the best Livin on jacks and queens Maverick is quite better than the rest She's gonna bring you hell Fare thee well goes your will Luck is the hero that she loves the best Livin on jacks and queens Maverick is quite better than the rest Maverick is quite better than the rest!! ua-cam.com/video/Tfz5tv_dfLA/v-deo.html
Getting in an intrigue heavy political game. Tag teaming my enchanter with a diviner for making the enemy malleable. Also, Hypnotic Gaze is awesome for "negotiations" since charmed creatures give you advantage on your charisma checks against them and there's no charmed creature style "they know they were charmed" backlash.
So very weird question, but what is your opinion on the new UA cantrip? Personally, I think it's a valuable tool akin to Chill Touch or Frostbite, but d8 Psychic and essentially Bane on their next save opens the door for the strong "Save or Suck" spells to make a return to prominence in 5e
Mountain Dwarf feels like they'd be a good race for this, since they can get into heavy armor @ 4. Yeah they don't get any int bonuses, but you can get 16 in via point buy so thats not an issue and dex isn't as important since your wearing heavy armor. Still a bit more gimmicky,, but having an AC of 20 with basic magic items at level 4 is pretty good.
Oddly enough, because neither Mountain Dwarves nor Heavily Armored feat give you proficiency in shields, you will get better AC by being a Hobgoblin with 14 Dex (you can start with 13 with point buy) and getting the Medium Armor feat. And Hobgoblin boosts your intelligence (of course, hobgoblins might have in-setting disadvantages that Dwarves won't)
@@rpranger6115 Very good point. Also saves an ASI upgrade. The race disadvantage thing isn't too huge if its a high magic setting, since glamor charms can just be used. Thats how I'd justify it to my DM if I wanna do a race like that.
Check out the other parts of this build:
Levels 5-10: ua-cam.com/video/Ow8_iKCEGy0/v-deo.html
Levels 11-20: ua-cam.com/video/LDX835ceRu4/v-deo.html
See the final Build here: ddb.ac/characters/16225793/hmo3Cf
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Summary
1: Yuan-ti Pureblood. Wizard 1: Arcana, Insight, Friends, Chill Touch, Minor Illusion, Mage Armor*, Shield*, Sleep*, Absorb Elements*, Find Familiar, Comprehend Languages. SA 8/14/13/15/10/12. Criminal: Deception, Stealth. Dagger, Arcane Focus, Explorer’s pack.
2: Wizard 2: Enchanter, Detect Magic, Tasha’s Hideous Laughter*
3: Wizard 3: Misty Step*, Web*, Sleep(*)
4: Wizard 4: Resilient Constitution, Frostbite, Mirror Image*, Flaming Sphere*, Tasha’s Hideous Laughter(*)
You're the MVP. It's great to be able to come back and look through this level by level.
Enchanters were and are heavily underrated because they’re not a damaged focused class therefore resist the mathematical capture of optimization. It’s hard to quantify their effect unless you have actually seen it.
Essentially they are screwing with enemies turns, which is a defensive feature. In any campaign with a lot of non-combat interactions they are the best subtype IME.
I do wish other subclasses had features like the enchanter which really tied into the subclass. Conjurer has good features, but they only sort of tie into conjuration school.
I didn't notice before, but you've gotten a lot smoother at speaking.
Thank you.
Great job. It's good to see how you change the build based on making "sub-optimal" choices. I love min-maxing, but there is definitely a role for making a character interesting. 5e is generally well balanced enough that taking away a small advantage doesn't gimp the character, and it can open up a lot of variety.
Hypnotic gaze can make kidnap missions a lot, lot easier which is something fireball doesn't necessarily do....
Thanks again, High Optimagus.
Enchanter benefits from an artificer dip way more than other wizards. Basic gameplan is cast your big concentration battlefield control first round, then second round you use hypnotic gaze and sanctuary on yourself as a bonus action. Along with medium armor and shield proficiency, your defense is better than most martials, let alone wizards.
Wouldn't necessarily need to be Artificer for this, if you changed around your ability scores Cleric might be a better option. Having healing word available for a pop up on a downed ally even when using Hypnotic Gaze could be more crucial than keeping wisdom low for more Dexterity
@@mme.veronica735I disagree, having con save proficiency is most likely better than heavy armor. You are a caster so you want good dex for initiative, meaning you are most likely to lose value when using heavy armor. Also heavy armor requires strength, unless you are a dwarf. Speed is important for this strat considering the poor range on hypnotic gaze.
I can't wait for the illusionist video !!!! I have a campaign coming up as an illusionist and I love your in-depth analysis and input.
The eldrich Adept feat would make this build a God. Mask of Many Faces + Friends would be amazing
I really love the flavor of a “Snake-Charmer” Wizard! Thanks for the build.
I immediately clicked "Life" after the scene from Jungle Book :D Good guide. May try this one day. Thanks.
Awesome video. I had no idea this class could be so potent. I will have to try this one out sometime.
Hooray the one I'm most excited for! Before I watched your guide on wizard schools and what not I already wanted to play an Enchantment Wizard as it, and illusion, sounded the most interesting and fun to me. Sure evocation is great for damage, but sounds a bit boring to me sometimes. Even a level 1 this guide is kinda making me feel a bit better about myself as it had a lot of what I was considering going for if I ever play a wizard. I imagine playing them as a spy, trying to work their way into human colonies and somehow weakening them from the inside and sending strategic information back home to prepare for an attack.
Just use a disguise before doing friends. Hat of disguise makes friends OP. Disguise yourself as the enemy leader, use friends on everyone, start a riot without save throws.
Good idea!
This is an amazing strategy and I've used it with great results ! Friends is, ironically, more useful to create enemies than, well... friends!
Sadly, a low level Wizard doesn't have access to many spells and cantrips and is heavily reliant on some spells early game, but I'll grab it again with a new character I'm playing as soon as possible.
Playing a bounty hunter with this would be cool. You charm them then grapple them to jail with no extra saves (edit: you would have to grapple them first then use your action on the next turn to charm them, then drag them with your move)
I had the interesting idea of tying a loop that you throw over the creature’s head after using Hypnotic Gaze. It’s Incapacitated and so you shouldn’t have any trouble doing so.
The idea is that you can then drag the creature with you and keep it within 5 feet. The idea then is to more easily take the creature with you away from everything else.
Although you’d definitely have to ask your DM before trying this. Some would say you move at half speed, while others might say that dragging the creature would require your action as it’s not actually a grapple.
17:00 with +2 Dex, light crossbow is better than a ranged cantrip, and shortsword + dagger is better than an up-close cantrip. If you can afford any of that, of course.
This makes me happy
Yes, that's a good idea!
What about using hypnotic gaze out of combat? It gives creatures charmed condition, so maybe we can use it as better version of friends?
Except it incapacitates your pals
"An incapacitated creature can’t take actions or reactions."
To me it doesn't seem like the condition prevents speech or listening.
P.S. Contrast incapacitated condition with paralyzed.
The abjurer start was great but this is interesting too.
If you use Hypnotic Gaze and move away I assume you don't provoke opportunity attack even though it stops working? (assuming their range is 5 feet)
I took 1 level of Fathomless warlock and then went enchanter. BOOM Siren! Weaponized the bonus action, all the underwater abilities , swim speed etc...
friends cantrip is redundant with your hypnotic gaze
Unless you can derive some advantage from making the npc you charm into becoming hostile to you.
How would this go with a 2 lv dip into trickster cleric?
With friends cantrip and suggestion I'd definitely take disguise self or maybe even go for changling race. It's either that or a dip into warlock for mask of many faces also good with a charisma-boosted race. With spells like suggestion and mass suggestion, I'd take linguist as a feat and aim for languages that are known by types of monster that don't understand common.
Both hypnotic gaze and flaming Sphere are an action…how it it possible to have someone in a trance and cast flaming sphere?
you can move flame sphere with a bonus action
These videos are excellent sir. You a master of the craft. Is there somewhere one could pour over your builds in written form?
I post a link to the completed build in the video description, but no, there is no written version of my videos.
@@TreantmonksTemple that's cool, I'm reading through your guide to wizards on your site and loving the in depth spell analysis. I'll just have to wait for the Necromancer build video 😁 happy RP heavy optimancy to you!
What do you think if you make the enchanter only use enchantment spells and concept wise the enchanter liked to use others do his fighting for him and keep himself clean. Using find familiar to use the touch spells do the range Is 100. My first game is Thursday and I made same race as this enchanter. And that is my concept I'm doing. I think I only have like 2 damage spells total and he's starting at lvl 6
What cantrips and ability scores would we be seeing for the Variant Human build?
Why use chill touch on an undead if it won't do damage? If it requires a to hit roll to impose disadvantage then wouldn't it be better to take the dodge action?
Or just use hypnotic gaze. I thought that was a weird comment.
It seems in dnd the best enchantment spells are only available to bards or clerics.
Algorithm +1
cast suggestion
"go away"
Invisibility doesn't work with hypnotic gaze, the target has to be able to see you. It's in the description
or hear, so it works
"If the target can see OR hear you"
It works
This character concept is obviously crafted with combat in mind, and other than a few level 1 rituals, has surprisingly little to offer the party outside of combat. Here is how I developed my enchanter so far:
Ability scores: Str 10 (I hate not being able to clear 10-foot pits), Dex 14, Con 14, Int 14, Wis 12, Cha 12.
Race: variant human, prodigy feat (proficiency + expertise deception, proficiency poisoner's kit, 1 additional language)
Background: custom, with forgery kit, 1 language, nature, medicine, and criminal background feature.
Level 1: control flames, mending, minor illusion, alarm, comprehend languages, disguise self, detect magic, fog cloud, shield
Level 2: charm person, mage armor
Level 3: misty step, Nystul's magic aura
Level 4: +2 intelligence, fire bolt, arcane lock, invisibility
Level 5: fear, tiny servant
(it's a party of 5 with few combats - don't need to spend too many spell picks on combat spells)
> Someone like this is going to be playing cards
Who is the small dark stranger there?
Maverick was her name
Slidin' the trail to who knows where
Pluck is her companion
Scamming is her game
She's gonna bring you hell
Fare thee well goes your will
Luck is the hero that she loves the best
Livin on jacks and queens
Maverick is quite better than the rest
She's gonna bring you hell
Fare thee well goes your will
Luck is the hero that she loves the best
Livin on jacks and queens
Maverick is quite better than the rest
Maverick is quite better than the rest!!
ua-cam.com/video/Tfz5tv_dfLA/v-deo.html
Getting in an intrigue heavy political game. Tag teaming my enchanter with a diviner for making the enemy malleable. Also, Hypnotic Gaze is awesome for "negotiations" since charmed creatures give you advantage on your charisma checks against them and there's no charmed creature style "they know they were charmed" backlash.
You basically made my current enchanter :P
I choose to see that as definitive proof that we are both brilliant.
Why not gnome for the suggested race?
As a Gnome it's tougher to maintain eye contact for the Hypnotic Gaze!
@@muker83 As a short person, i sadly agree
An oversight on my part. See what I did there?
I was surprised you did not take Find Familiar at lower levels. Is it because most turns are spent doing something the Familiar cannot help with?
He took it at level 1.
I must have missed it. Thanks Mike.
Thematic Builds i like. Combat aint everything.
Level ten twin Psychic lance.... Buy one get one free turn+ damage and uh twin silvery barbs if they pass the save
So very weird question, but what is your opinion on the new UA cantrip? Personally, I think it's a valuable tool akin to Chill Touch or Frostbite, but d8 Psychic and essentially Bane on their next save opens the door for the strong "Save or Suck" spells to make a return to prominence in 5e
No idea, I don't read UA
Mountain Dwarf feels like they'd be a good race for this, since they can get into heavy armor @ 4. Yeah they don't get any int bonuses, but you can get 16 in via point buy so thats not an issue and dex isn't as important since your wearing heavy armor. Still a bit more gimmicky,, but having an AC of 20 with basic magic items at level 4 is pretty good.
Highest you can go to in point buy is 15.
Oddly enough, because neither Mountain Dwarves nor Heavily Armored feat give you proficiency in shields, you will get better AC by being a Hobgoblin with 14 Dex (you can start with 13 with point buy) and getting the Medium Armor feat. And Hobgoblin boosts your intelligence (of course, hobgoblins might have in-setting disadvantages that Dwarves won't)
@@rpranger6115 Very good point. Also saves an ASI upgrade. The race disadvantage thing isn't too huge if its a high magic setting, since glamor charms can just be used. Thats how I'd justify it to my DM if I wanna do a race like that.
Enchanters are straight up evil so I haven't had a chance to play one yet. Like morally worse than necromancers
Dm said no to yuan ti :(
Good lol
That’s when you say no to that DM
Probably halfelf or changeling would be better. Deception and persuasion for free. Sorry to early. :)