@@demolition2n3 Generally speaking ranged units is the answer 11, it's kinda hard to mass them in a 1v1 or an open team game even with trade. I think the best idea is to trade them cost effectively like putting halbs in front, arbs in the back maybe? Do use any elephants or cav tho! Towers and Castles do a good deal of damage to them too.
@@CulturedFishWaifu yeah halb arb i would guess, no bonus dmg, so you waste a lot of camels on halbs. going full cavalry comp (with SO) vs flaming camels and gurjara camels and shwarma riders.. does not seem the best 11
I love that you are laughing in joy as your Mangudai get exploded by flaming camels! Great attitude and it made the video so much fun to watch. Even losing in aoe is super fun
This probably isn't high on your list of priorities with Hidden Cup about to start, but the most important aspect of these settings was that it was TURBO! I very much doubt you have much experience with turbo mode; you might not even know the details. Everything builds and trains 2.5x faster except for eco units, castles, and towers (and according to the wiki. wonders). Villagers work and carry 2.5x, trade carts 2x. This doesn't just mean "everything happens faster". It means the value of time is different, for different units and actions. For one thing, it means garrisoning villagers in a TC to shoot military is much worse than normal, but that wasn't a factor in this game. It still makes it much harder for military that is fighting military to be effective given the opportunity cost of not having eco in that population slot. Anyway, point 1: buildings except for castles and towers are built much faster, and units are trained much faster. In a normal DM game, you probably couldn't afford to open with even one castle, let alone four, because you need military units in 30~50 seconds, not in 200 seconds. In Turbo, the potential advantage is much, much bigger. Even opening with castles, you had a huge military spike over your opponents, but in those critical moments (and not knowing what your opponents were doing) you stalled out and did no damage. Imagine if you had opened siege workshop and some other buildings and were cutting the forest 1 minute after the game started, with 30 military units to follow up. Point 2: the effectiveness of a military unit. Normal game: a knight costs 135 resources, which takes about 4.5 minutes for a villager to gather. A knight kills another knight in 27 seconds, so it's much better to have two knights than one knight and one villager. Turbo mode: now only 1.8 minutes to gather resources for a knight. If your two knights spend more than 2 minutes running around before they start to fight, it's a waste of a population slot! Forward production is paramount. To put it another way: 1v1, if you have 100 population locked up in Mangudai, in a normal game you would need to kill 25 flaming camels per minute without taking any losses of your own to justify them. (4 villager-minutes per flaming camel, 100/4=25.) In Turbo, you need to kill 62 flaming camels per minute with those Mangudai. 1v2, you have to kill 125 flaming camels per minute with those Mangudai without taking any damage. (*this is assuming enemy produces flaming camels instantly with just 1 population slot, with 99 eco units.) Serious fighting lasted around 30 minutes and you killed 2k units, around 70 per minute. At this rate, you would have crushed in a normal game. But this was Turbo.
This was incredible fun!!! 🎉🎉 I have to say if there was one thing your channel could have used a touch more of, it would be meme strats imo. This and off meta mondays seem to work so well :)
This is the part of the aoe anime where one of the characters gets wrecked by a new move but then he learns from his defeat. Soon Hera will be rank 1 death match player who learns to triple wall and spam flaming camels 11
Omg hahahahaa this waas so much fun. " I thought they picked tatars for CA" I was laughing my ass off watching this. I play this game mode everyday with these players and had an absolute blast watching this. I hope you do more of these games!!!!!
That was sick, considering how far they have perfected that team play in deathmatch, you did crazy good. But so funny looking back at your base comparing with theirs.
Amazing to see flaming camels in action after a very long time, what a fun game and a funny silly unit. I hope that unit one day will recieve love from devs and get some meaningful buff.
There is nothing hera could have done to counter them, maybe could have tried massing scorpions.. also forgot to use 5000 stone for a long time but it doesn't matter at all. They made trenches with bbt so he couldn't push them but.. BUT I know what gurjaras could have done better - I countered mongols many times with gurjaras. I would enlarge the choke point with onagers to make it very wide to have full mobility as gurjaras, so then hera couldn't have any choke advantage with S.O., then mass Only shrivamsha riders basically like goths but with stables and just keep spamming shrivamsha only. Their shield initially protects them also from siege onager shot in addition to arrows so when they are massed, they would hard counter mangudai + SO combo. Maaan.. Fun to watch, will definitely try tatars again, they are so fun vs Persians 🤘
Hold Shift while clicking to queue another of the same building with the same builders, or hold Ctrl to "forget" prior orders and just place another foundation. (Both can be useful.)
it aint about wanting to see more, but rather about you giving us more fast enough 11 do you reckon you c0uld beat em if u have 300 pop and they have 200 only each ? seems they had 300 each in this 1
Those who says Flaming camel is a meme Unit Let me share a Historical Fact: In 1398 Tamerlane's Invasion of India he used an ingenious strategy as Indian Army compraised heavily with Battle Elephants, he used camels with flaming straws to scare off the elephants thus the battle turned towards the Timurids and they won the Battle.
Hera, do you have family still in Palestine? I hope they are ok. And I notice you play in tournaments under the Canadian flag but have you thought of playing under 🇵🇸 ?
Alhamdulilah most of my extended family is in jordan, still very sad and always keeping the people of palestine in my prayers though. I thought about playing with palestinian flag but it would just bring alot of negative and toxic comments from random internet people and i dont wanna deal with that. My efforts are better spent elsewhere to support my homeland
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 That is good to hear. We are also keeping Palestine in our hearts here in Germany, and doing our best to bring attention to the situation. The world is mostly on our side. I think someday you will get your homeland back and be able to play under that flag with pride.
Damn Hera, you got bodied. HaHaHa. Hope next time you can try to counter their unbeatable strategy. IDK, wishing you the best against these absolute beasts. Flaming camels are the new meta, haha. Looks like you couldn't handle the LOOT MACHINE style.
They overboom and then delete vils after the fact. It looked like the Tatars player was mainly making units in the early game and the Gurjaras player was slinging, building fortifications, and adding a little support here and there. Hera was fine when he was mainly fighting against Tatars 1v1. Eventually, though, the Gurjaras player was adding a bunch of production with gunpowder, and that overwhelmed Hera in the end.
Hera at minute 3 ; LOL Flaming camels ..guess they are the meta hahaahaha Minute 10 : I guess they are the ummm...meta Minute 20 :what do I even make against them..Hussars ??? Flaming camels are the META in these Michi lobbies..I dont envy a Persian elephant after watching them getting decimated by Flaming camels there..
I’ve been enjoying “T90Official” UA-cam channel too. He’s a “pro” player but has a nifty series/playlist called “Low ELO legends” where he comments (entertainingly) on players (like me) that have less experience.
Yes can confirm, I too spammed flaming camel on a michi map on a 4v4 rank just for fun and my camels got destroyed by scorpions due to pass thru damage but other than that was able to hold opponent back
That was my thought too! The siege onagers massively overkill the flaming camels and also do friendly fire to any meat shield or otherwise exposed units.
isn't Halb onager a better comp here? Obviously can't stay on it long term, would need other units mixed in with chakrams and their own CA as an option. Just confused why he stays on Mangudai so long and doesn't go with forward barracks and halb, then maybe tower push to support, flaming camels wouldn't get bonus damage against halbs. (Edit, oh nvm 200 bonus against buildings, so no to towers I guess)
Mongols=weak infantry and no bombard towers. Mongols BB est comp is Siege onager, Mangadai, camels. In this case Scorpion ram Mangadai would have been strong.
Who needs a zombies mod when you have flaming camels? It’s the alpaca-lips
Hera: The flaming camel is the BEST unit
Also Hera: The flaming camel is so useless I forgot to put it on the top 5 most useless units list
😂😂
peak aoe for me, was me spamming flaming camels and my friend saying in all caps over and over "HOW DO YOU COUNTER FLAMING CAMELS"
BUT WHAT IS THE COUNTER? WE NEED ANSWERS
@@demolition2n3 Generally speaking ranged units is the answer 11, it's kinda hard to mass them in a 1v1 or an open team game even with trade. I think the best idea is to trade them cost effectively like putting halbs in front, arbs in the back maybe? Do use any elephants or cav tho! Towers and Castles do a good deal of damage to them too.
@@CulturedFishWaifu yeah halb arb i would guess, no bonus dmg, so you waste a lot of camels on halbs. going full cavalry comp (with SO) vs flaming camels and gurjara camels and shwarma riders.. does not seem the best 11
Teutonic knights or Inca Kamyuks are the answer. This is coming from the guy who was making the flaming camels in that video 😅😁
I love that you are laughing in joy as your Mangudai get exploded by flaming camels! Great attitude and it made the video so much fun to watch. Even losing in aoe is super fun
This probably isn't high on your list of priorities with Hidden Cup about to start, but the most important aspect of these settings was that it was TURBO! I very much doubt you have much experience with turbo mode; you might not even know the details.
Everything builds and trains 2.5x faster except for eco units, castles, and towers (and according to the wiki. wonders). Villagers work and carry 2.5x, trade carts 2x.
This doesn't just mean "everything happens faster". It means the value of time is different, for different units and actions. For one thing, it means garrisoning villagers in a TC to shoot military is much worse than normal, but that wasn't a factor in this game. It still makes it much harder for military that is fighting military to be effective given the opportunity cost of not having eco in that population slot.
Anyway, point 1: buildings except for castles and towers are built much faster, and units are trained much faster. In a normal DM game, you probably couldn't afford to open with even one castle, let alone four, because you need military units in 30~50 seconds, not in 200 seconds. In Turbo, the potential advantage is much, much bigger. Even opening with castles, you had a huge military spike over your opponents, but in those critical moments (and not knowing what your opponents were doing) you stalled out and did no damage.
Imagine if you had opened siege workshop and some other buildings and were cutting the forest 1 minute after the game started, with 30 military units to follow up.
Point 2: the effectiveness of a military unit. Normal game: a knight costs 135 resources, which takes about 4.5 minutes for a villager to gather. A knight kills another knight in 27 seconds, so it's much better to have two knights than one knight and one villager. Turbo mode: now only 1.8 minutes to gather resources for a knight. If your two knights spend more than 2 minutes running around before they start to fight, it's a waste of a population slot! Forward production is paramount.
To put it another way: 1v1, if you have 100 population locked up in Mangudai, in a normal game you would need to kill 25 flaming camels per minute without taking any losses of your own to justify them. (4 villager-minutes per flaming camel, 100/4=25.) In Turbo, you need to kill 62 flaming camels per minute with those Mangudai. 1v2, you have to kill 125 flaming camels per minute with those Mangudai without taking any damage. (*this is assuming enemy produces flaming camels instantly with just 1 population slot, with 99 eco units.)
Serious fighting lasted around 30 minutes and you killed 2k units, around 70 per minute. At this rate, you would have crushed in a normal game. But this was Turbo.
The flaming camel move was EPIC now Hera you must try it lol
This was incredible fun!!! 🎉🎉
I have to say if there was one thing your channel could have used a touch more of, it would be meme strats imo. This and off meta mondays seem to work so well :)
Totally agree more meme strats !
Admire the calmness displayed here, had I been charged by that onslaught of barbecue camels I'd freak out xD
It was quite a kind opposing team that kept from opening a second corridor/front foer some time there.
Was a great game thanks for playing it Hera! Flaming camels for life! 😅
Team LEL. Assemble. Watch new strategy. Execute with 5% accuracy. Lose. Repeat.
This was insane, so much fun, great watch
We have a growing community especially for this map and settings. They good at it because we play it every day😛
Flaming camel? Instaclick. Who needs to work anyway?
This is the part of the aoe anime where one of the characters gets wrecked by a new move but then he learns from his defeat. Soon Hera will be rank 1 death match player who learns to triple wall and spam flaming camels 11
Definitely want to see Hera play more DM will be epic to see him micro flaming camels 😅😅
Omg hahahahaa this waas so much fun. " I thought they picked tatars for CA" I was laughing my ass off watching this. I play this game mode everyday with these players and had an absolute blast watching this. I hope you do more of these games!!!!!
That was sick, considering how far they have perfected that team play in deathmatch, you did crazy good. But so funny looking back at your base comparing with theirs.
Haha you should see when there is a 10 or 15 minute treaty how crazy the base building is 😂😂
@@thebigjdmein8525is that even age of empires anymore lol wtf😂
best counter for tatars in dm michi turbo is teutons since tknights can tank them while scorps/so/palas come in after.
Wow honestly super impressed when the map reveal. Thats truly some deidcated Death Match expert. The base looks like campaign stuff.
I wasn't expecting this video to be so fun hahahaha
I think we need a rematch with you and another player, 2 vs 2.
yes plz
I used to play Michi on MSN Zone back in 2004. Still here!
Its a very active community. We have many games and lobbies every day.
half the global camel population was sacrificed in this battle
😂😂
Amazing to see flaming camels in action after a very long time, what a fun game and a funny silly unit. I hope that unit one day will recieve love from devs and get some meaningful buff.
There is nothing hera could have done to counter them, maybe could have tried massing scorpions.. also forgot to use 5000 stone for a long time but it doesn't matter at all. They made trenches with bbt so he couldn't push them but.. BUT I know what gurjaras could have done better - I countered mongols many times with gurjaras. I would enlarge the choke point with onagers to make it very wide to have full mobility as gurjaras, so then hera couldn't have any choke advantage with S.O., then mass Only shrivamsha riders basically like goths but with stables and just keep spamming shrivamsha only. Their shield initially protects them also from siege onager shot in addition to arrows so when they are massed, they would hard counter mangudai + SO combo. Maaan.. Fun to watch, will definitely try tatars again, they are so fun vs Persians 🤘
inf ?
flaming camels deal close to no dmg outside cav/ siege
We want to see a 2v2!!
11:46 Hera lose 50 units in 15 sec
hahahaha the shock and pain in his voice when he said "what is this??" was truly beautiful to watch.
Bro you are so good, your videos help me to get better 👌🏼
Have a question
How can I build multiple buildings without selecting it every time ?
Hold Shift while clicking to queue another of the same building with the same builders, or hold Ctrl to "forget" prior orders and just place another foundation. (Both can be useful.)
it aint about wanting to see more, but rather about you giving us more fast enough 11
do you reckon you c0uld beat em if u have 300 pop and they have 200 only each ? seems they had 300 each in this 1
Those who says Flaming camel is a meme Unit
Let me share a Historical Fact:
In 1398 Tamerlane's Invasion of India he used an ingenious strategy as Indian Army compraised heavily with Battle Elephants, he used camels with flaming straws to scare off the elephants thus the battle turned towards the Timurids and they won the Battle.
Love the fun games, it was like terries with those flaming camels lol
That was awesome! Fun to watch
What a crazy fun battle!
that was epic, you'll get them next time
We need a sequel 2v2 😂
This game reminds me at tropical thunder quote: THIS IS FLAMING DRAGON!!!
Only now its THIS IS FLAMING CAMEL!!
Hera should have researched fire extinguishers at the university.
😂😂
Going to see those flaming camels in dreams now, or is it nightmares?
This was beautiful
Clowning camels 😂
This is peak on fast mode, so crazy
Hera, do you have family still in Palestine? I hope they are ok.
And I notice you play in tournaments under the Canadian flag but have you thought of playing under 🇵🇸 ?
Alhamdulilah most of my extended family is in jordan, still very sad and always keeping the people of palestine in my prayers though. I thought about playing with palestinian flag but it would just bring alot of negative and toxic comments from random internet people and i dont wanna deal with that. My efforts are better spent elsewhere to support my homeland
@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 That is good to hear. We are also keeping Palestine in our hearts here in Germany, and doing our best to bring attention to the situation. The world is mostly on our side. I think someday you will get your homeland back and be able to play under that flag with pride.
for 1v1 games so many maps would be so much nicer if they had a gaia market somewhere
Cool 😎 flaming camels are really good 💯😂😂😂
Would pikes help to bodyblock camels while taking relatively little damage and dealing some in return?
Nice haha! DM is so underrated!
100% it's so underrated
remind me to the balings in Star Craft2 😄
Damn Hera, you got bodied. HaHaHa. Hope next time you can try to counter their unbeatable strategy. IDK, wishing you the best against these absolute beasts. Flaming camels are the new meta, haha. Looks like you couldn't handle the LOOT MACHINE style.
This was probably the match with the most flaming camels ever produced
I want to see you and another pro versus these two.
Woooow flaming camels are amazing
You re one year behind Pooplord for innovations
Who would win:
An entire battalion of siege ornagers
Or one flamey boi
Flamey boi🔥💯🐫
New deathmatch meta: Exploding Camel Yolo
Ballista and spam does it
Wait how did they have 293 vills? Did they each have 400 pop? Vs just 300 for Hera?
They overboom and then delete vils after the fact. It looked like the Tatars player was mainly making units in the early game and the Gurjaras player was slinging, building fortifications, and adding a little support here and there. Hera was fine when he was mainly fighting against Tatars 1v1. Eventually, though, the Gurjaras player was adding a bunch of production with gunpowder, and that overwhelmed Hera in the end.
I found a new strat to do against my unsuspecting brothers!!!!
actually their strategy was soo good even 2v2 with them will be imposible. Maybe you try that with one of the GL guys :) ?
Would love to play him in a 2v2 . I am Loot machine from the video 😛
@@thebigjdmein8525 hahahah he really needed you for a while longer by the looks of it
we need one vs one same setting
Super fun video
lol that was insane. Who would've thought using flaming camels huh?
Good Michi players that's who 😅😛
Hera
at minute 3 ; LOL Flaming camels ..guess they are the meta hahaahaha
Minute 10 : I guess they are the ummm...meta
Minute 20 :what do I even make against them..Hussars ???
Flaming camels are the META in these Michi lobbies..I dont envy a Persian elephant after watching them getting decimated by Flaming camels there..
Brilliant more please
What's your pc specs?
Deathmatch, like it!
Wow completely crazy meme strat interesting to know if they played a different civ could they still win
Yes we Michi DM players can play many civs and win. Its very different from RM 😛
Red was still watching. They could see you
Demos are the flaming camels of the sea
😂
mass scorpions mabybe. IDK it seems broken
Wow
UA-cam algorithm
Flaming camel sounds like a mixed drink
“Haha I’m failing” -Hera
That’s very millennial/gen z of you Hera 😂
I’ve been enjoying “T90Official” UA-cam channel too. He’s a “pro” player but has a nifty series/playlist called “Low ELO legends” where he comments (entertainingly) on players (like me) that have less experience.
hera tomando una villavicencio? donde estaba hera?
This stressed me out 🤣🤣
Brutal
why not use scorpion?
i love dm michi !
i think Xbows or how it says in eng will well for that
good lord LMAO
I think heavy scorpions are more effective than mangonels with that unit 🤯🤯🤯
Yes can confirm, I too spammed flaming camel on a michi map on a 4v4 rank just for fun and my camels got destroyed by scorpions due to pass thru damage but other than that was able to hold opponent back
That was my thought too! The siege onagers massively overkill the flaming camels and also do friendly fire to any meat shield or otherwise exposed units.
@@EliasHasle Yes 💯
Again.... AGAIN!!!
If you and MBL don’t use flaming camels on your 2v6 I’ll be disappointed lol
isn't Halb onager a better comp here? Obviously can't stay on it long term, would need other units mixed in with chakrams and their own CA as an option. Just confused why he stays on Mangudai so long and doesn't go with forward barracks and halb, then maybe tower push to support, flaming camels wouldn't get bonus damage against halbs. (Edit, oh nvm 200 bonus against buildings, so no to towers I guess)
Mongols=weak infantry and no bombard towers. Mongols BB est comp is Siege onager, Mangadai, camels. In this case Scorpion ram Mangadai would have been strong.
Flaming camels are no joke. Practically ruin any Michi game when I play as Persia.
Elephant civs die so hard to Flaming camels. Hand cannoneers is the answer. Build small groups of hand cannons in walls and that helps a lot.
I think mass scorpions would actually destroy them with halb Tanks.
Dude, spread out ur siege !!!!!!
why no infantry? the opponents made only mounted units and trebs
Gurjaras get Chacram throwers that shred infantry and Mongols get very weak infantry.
tatars have probably the worst infantry in the game.
@@Frauwyne he was asking why Hera did not go infantry.....
Kinda disapointed by Hera not switching his strategy once. Just stuck to CA and Mangonels even though it clearly does not work.
What else could work? Thats kind of my best comp
This game type is for clowns lol but its fun to see once
Professional noobs 🤣🤣😭😭😭😭
Flaming camels should be deleted from this game
after shriwamsha riders are introduced to the game , i stop playing.
Why they are a fun unit and the game is fantastic 😁
@@thebigjdmein8525 not for me anymore... Protoss unit in mediaval game ? No thanks.