I appreciate the perspective you bring as a ride mechanic and engineer! It's refreshing to hear someone who knows a bit more about operations talk about things like this, especially when it comes to tempering expectations following incidents.
Thanks for the kind comments. If I can I’ll be the voice of reason. Reaction time is key though. If you get ahold of one of these events 2 days late, it’s over by that time and people no longer want to know.
Support Pillar: I can't keep it up. Guest: It's flopping about. Internet: I don't want to get on top of that thing! Operator: No, no, it's fine. It's supposed to be like that! Lots of coasters have it. Me: I'm just here for the penis jokes.
I think you did not mention: The park said they are going to do an accelerometer study, comparing new results against old to make sure the dynamics of the the ride have not changed. It wasn't clear to me whether they would immediately proceed with the 500 cycles, or if they would pause until after the accelerometer verification was complete. To me, this seems more like a gate in the project plan than a major step...but it's supposedly in the plan. I hope they have napkins handy for any analysis that needs to be done!
Haha! MAXIMUM NAPKINS PLEASE!!!! I’m betting the analysis will be done on cycle #1-10. The rest is probably just waiting on time to pass. This will be interesting to see what happens next.
"Doable, yes. Doable." I heard this and nearly fell off my chair - I've been scared, as coming from UK, it may not be open by August 18th when I come. And while it may not be (I'll try out the waterpark there as well if not), it sounds like it will - YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS. Other people have been predicting things but I trust you the most, in all honesty - you have the credentials! So nice to hear that those 500 cycles are doable in such as short space of time..
@@ryantheridemechanic Well that's good to know. Can't see any reason why they'd want to delay muchhh longer seeing how fast they've worked so far. Leaving it too long for reopening starts to look like they're unsure of it, so personally, I'm gonna hazard a guess at Friday 28th for reopening, that's when I'd open it, long enough to calm people, not so long they start to think there are more issues than you're letting on! We will see. If I was Carowinds I'd support your channel by calling you up for an interview to counter the crap the media spew =P from a mechanic not affiliated with carowinds. The media won't say anything like 'but, remember folks, you have much more chance of being in a car crash on the way to Carowinds than you do of actually being hurt on fury 325.. or any roller coaster there". That would be, er, the TRUTH ? haha. Great channel btw thank you for the great insight and updates.
@@robhaley5136 thanks for the kind words. Best they can do for media control is keep releasing those statements. Outside of that they will probably get a crew or 2 on the weekend it opens asking people if they fee safe in the park. And that will be the spotlight for the evening news.
So excited to see another video from my current favorite roller coaster UA-camr! The park certainly isn't messing around or wasting time getting it fixed. B&M has a lot at stake here too. Fury is clearly their flagship creation, and I'm sure they are doing everything they can to make sure nothing else happens. I'm so sick of seeing the media posts from the "doom-and-gloomers". And the plethora of people blaming the maintenance staff. They have no idea how the industry works or what inspections are done. Could you touch on what exactly is the purview of the park's staff in regards to inspecting the supports? Of course, this is all going to be subject to change now. I bet it will become standard practice to put drones in the air to get up close inspections of the supports on many major rides.
@@ryantheridemechanic The reactions to it are crazy! It is getting more negative media coverage than the partial building collapse in Iowa last month. Yet with Fury, no one was in any actual danger.
@@ryantheridemechaniceah, way better things like the Fast and Furious drift coaster announced!! Also about the news coverage thing on this, I also feel it’s ridiculous. Jetline in Grona Lund was a fatal accident, but instead the media directs their attention to a B&M Giga cracking, not knowing B&M is considered the safest manufacturer and put in tons of redundancies on the track to keep everyone safe in situations like this. And it worked perfectly!
😂😂😂 my son asked if I was going to have “merch” I’m like… for what? Why would people want to buy anything from me?!!! But he buys stuff from other UA-camrs so I guess I’m too cheap.
Something has changed. I wonder if they resurveyed the track and made the new column slightly different. With 3D scanning it’s very easy to do these type of modifications.
Great information! I do think they will have to grout the support and that will take several days to cure, but not sure. I could see testing starting Monday and being done that day or Tuesday. I wouldnt be surprised to see the ride back up next weekend.
They will grout the support for sure. I know the park I was at had a company come in and grout at 4am and they said it would be ok. Most cracked apart however. And honestly cracked grout looks worse than no grout at all.
Carowinds sits in both North and South Carolina. I'm not sure if both states need to sign off on the ride or if one will suffice. I'm kinda hoping Brandon catches some footage of the support arriving
I would THINK both states have to sign off. This would be considered a modification in California and a professional engineer would have to sign off on the installation.
I know many skilled people take pride in their work, how would you have felt if this was your ride? Would you wonder if you had missed something? Thanks for the super informative videos, and the dry humor!
It would be great if Mr. Murray could call on you to testify on your expertise to help in the lawsuit but I don't know if he will. CP has a bulldog of an attorney working for them and her family needs all the help they can get. I know of one ex-mechanic who posts on Reddit frequently who worked that ride and he has some very angry words to say about them.
I do investigation of mechanical thing almost full time in my job. I have a ton of question for them as well I might be or not be on their side. I don’t think anyone wants to open a can of opinion worms. Like joe Friday “just the facts”
where do inspections fit into the schedule? their statement said after the 500 cycles and in-house inspections and whatnot they will "ask B&M and the third-party testing firm to perform a final inspection", is that an extensive process?
No it’s very quick inspections. Most of the time 3/4 of that inspection can be done with the ride running. Or just comfort words to hear. The inspection is happening it’s just not a long drawn out process.
You showed a quick clip at 8:07 of people harnessed up straddling the track. After several years doing water safety at a water park, I ended up climbing radio towers, working 200-2000 ft up. How often did you have to climb? Was it more as a safety line like a bucket truck, or did you have to traverse some distance on the track? All my climbs were vertical, seems like a track would be fun to climb.
Most can be accessed with a big manlift. Stuff that can’t, you get up there as high as you can then start climbing. The rungs are about 4 feet apart and the track is greasy. It’s a lot harder to climb than you would think. I’m talking vertical. Some rides welded climbing rings in the structure but my park ad none of those.
@@samich57I think I've got it figured out: he's mentioned a B&M floorless, a GCI that I believe has been RMC'd, Intamin, a Gerstlauer spinner, Premier Rides, a boomerang, another twisty Vekoma thing... He's said he doesn't enjoy Zamperla, and he's showed a Lasker looper. He had not mentioned CCI or PTC. It seems like there have been a few other clues that I'm forgetting. But I'm pretty sure I found it by looking at a list of rides on coasterpedia for the park that I'm pretty sure he was at :)
@@ryantheridemechanic As the metal heats up, most steel coasters tend to expand. As most rides are often installed in more moderate temp seasons; there is a formula for expansion and contraction. Here it will likely be installed at a time if greater expansion. Hope that helps clarify.
@@indianoutlaw5702 ah, typically final torque is done mid day when it’s hottest but if weather is not ideal the it’s still torqued. So temperature is really null. The structures ping and bang during expansion and that’s normal.
Interestingly, Furry's ride station is in North Carolina, but when it goes under the walkway tunnel near the front entrance it's in South Carolina. I really don't know the answer to that.
I have a question, why do they test wildcat 30 minutes after hersheypark opens and open it at 10: 30, and why do they close it at 5: 30 only to open it 15 minutes later. I’ve been there 15 times bc I’m a season pass holder and I have their schedule down to a grain a salt. Is it an issue with all new rmcs or is it just the individual ride? And what park do you work at?
Hmmm I’m not 100% sure but it sounds like a carpentry thing. You would run the ride and the carpenters would have to stay and watch it for an hour to make sure the wood was ok. Also done last thing at the end of the night. Sounds like the park has built In windows for this. It might not be to work on the wood structure it could be to allow the carpenters through a dangerous area that can not be in when the ride is running, kind of like an official track crossing request.
@@ryantheridemechanic I have seen the underflip go through a massive amount of flexing but I know it is supposed to flex a little bit, but in the 5: 30 time slot they seem to be working on the lift components like the chain cogs bc I was in line for 3 times during the 530 time and there was maintenance lookin at the top of the lift hill
@@sendyboi7028 some rides have extreme components to take care of. Lifts have a lot of stress on them because they are heavy. They could be oiling the chain if they don’t have an automatic oiler on it already. I know old PTC rides that are still in operation actually has a mechanic doing a constant track walk between cycles. They have to constantly move and press buttons to allow the next train to go over the lift. Crazy but true.
"talk about Fury and its erection" i thought this was a family channel 😂. I kinda want to take a mini trip when this thing opens back up. Hopefully, the GP will still be a little skeptical about it and the lines will be shorter lol. On a side note. How long does it take to do a standard morning maintenance routine on a given ride, before a park opens?
Depends on the size of crew. Size of ride, number of trains, and manufacturer of the ride. I would pm an SLC and it took me about 3 hours. I would Pm a B&M and it took the same amount of time. There was much more inspection less repair rank the SLC.
@@ryantheridemechanic I really appreciate your responses when I have questions. Not many UA-camrs do that. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with these rides! It's fun to learn about!
@@jpgiles1725 I understand why large channels don’t answer. Just the subscribers I have is almost a full time job responding. I can’t imagine what it’s like to have 10k+ people throwing questions out.
@@ryantheridemechanic Do you think they will take the old support somewhere for further investigation into what may have been the cause of the crack forming ?
This incident might ruin the ride's perception of safety among the general public. Sure we enthusiasts have an understanding of what's going on but the general public does not....all they see are the over dramatized stories from the local news media about how the ride is inherently unsafe and in danger of collapse which will scare them away from riding it. I'm reminded of how the local news media up here over hyped the two face incident in which the train faulted on the first lift at the start of the cycle with guests on board at SFA 20 years ago. The local media made the situation out to be far worse than it was by repeatedly showing a still image of the train going through the vertical loop. It was THAT IMAGE that stuck with the local audience much more than the live footage of the train stranded upright at the top of the lift for 3 hours that ABSOLUTELY FRIGHTENED the local public from so much as going near the coaster ever again let alone riding it.
And after all the sources they could talk to, they grab the person leaving the park who was to afraid to ride it in the first place and start broadcasting their opinion with no opposition. Thanks for the comment.
In the Top Thrill Dragster lawsuit filed yesterday, it seems that the victim is trying to sue individual ride mechanics who worked on the ride. Do you have any thoughts on that? Maybe make a video on that because it’s definitely an interesting situation
I don't know the law since I'm not a lawyer, but Murray is probably using them to get info to build his case, since Harris has a track record of defending his CP bosses well. There is one mechanic named in the report who has had nothing but bad things to say about CP, and considering that nearly all of the employees who worked there have since left (with the exception of one who works at GateKeeper) it's going to be hard to find them, but if found maybe they'll help. I also saw another video yesterday that stated CFEC's quarterly earnings report is going to be bad news, so brace yourself for more rounds of cost-cutting at Cedar Point and other parks.
They wouldn’t need to do anything with the trains. This was a structure problem. I can’t think of a reason to pull a train unless there was super excessive vibration but I doubt anything like that is happening.
I love this channel. I’ve always been intrigued by the mechanical and engineering side of coasters.
Thank you. Hope to keep you interested!
Same bro
I appreciate the perspective you bring as a ride mechanic and engineer! It's refreshing to hear someone who knows a bit more about operations talk about things like this, especially when it comes to tempering expectations following incidents.
Thanks for the kind comments. If I can I’ll be the voice of reason. Reaction time is key though. If you get ahold of one of these events 2 days late, it’s over by that time and people no longer want to know.
so happy to see your channel grow. i thought i was just a coaster/park enthusiast...now i know im also a nerd too
Thanks for the kind words!
One of my new favorite channels 😂👌
Thank you!
Really appreciate you taking the time to tell us what's likely going on. Helps filter out the noise
No problem
Support Pillar: I can't keep it up.
Guest: It's flopping about.
Internet: I don't want to get on top of that thing!
Operator: No, no, it's fine. It's supposed to be like that! Lots of coasters have it.
Me: I'm just here for the penis jokes.
The cold open tho 😆
We have to talk about this erection at some point! 😏
Good observations. I think they'd be wise to take things slow for PR reasons. After being front page news, the public needs some reassurance.
Agreed. It will be Fun to see what they actually do!
I think you did not mention: The park said they are going to do an accelerometer study, comparing new results against old to make sure the dynamics of the the ride have not changed. It wasn't clear to me whether they would immediately proceed with the 500 cycles, or if they would pause until after the accelerometer verification was complete. To me, this seems more like a gate in the project plan than a major step...but it's supposedly in the plan.
I hope they have napkins handy for any analysis that needs to be done!
Haha! MAXIMUM NAPKINS PLEASE!!!! I’m betting the analysis will be done on cycle #1-10. The rest is probably just waiting on time to pass. This will be interesting to see what happens next.
Thank you for this video. Its good to hear a professional opinion on this coaster fix.
Thank you
"Doable, yes. Doable." I heard this and nearly fell off my chair - I've been scared, as coming from UK, it may not be open by August 18th when I come. And while it may not be (I'll try out the waterpark there as well if not), it sounds like it will - YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS. Other people have been predicting things but I trust you the most, in all honesty - you have the credentials! So nice to hear that those 500 cycles are doable in such as short space of time..
All depends on them. I made the comment before, if this didn’t have the media watching, it would be open this weekend.
@@ryantheridemechanic Well that's good to know. Can't see any reason why they'd want to delay muchhh longer seeing how fast they've worked so far. Leaving it too long for reopening starts to look like they're unsure of it, so personally, I'm gonna hazard a guess at Friday 28th for reopening, that's when I'd open it, long enough to calm people, not so long they start to think there are more issues than you're letting on! We will see. If I was Carowinds I'd support your channel by calling you up for an interview to counter the crap the media spew =P from a mechanic not affiliated with carowinds. The media won't say anything like 'but, remember folks, you have much more chance of being in a car crash on the way to Carowinds than you do of actually being hurt on fury 325.. or any roller coaster there". That would be, er, the TRUTH ? haha. Great channel btw thank you for the great insight and updates.
@@robhaley5136 thanks for the kind words. Best they can do for media control is keep releasing those statements. Outside of that they will probably get a crew or 2 on the weekend it opens asking people if they fee safe in the park. And that will be the spotlight for the evening news.
Lol! Fury is a good ride!
So excited to see another video from my current favorite roller coaster UA-camr! The park certainly isn't messing around or wasting time getting it fixed. B&M has a lot at stake here too. Fury is clearly their flagship creation, and I'm sure they are doing everything they can to make sure nothing else happens. I'm so sick of seeing the media posts from the "doom-and-gloomers". And the plethora of people blaming the maintenance staff. They have no idea how the industry works or what inspections are done. Could you touch on what exactly is the purview of the park's staff in regards to inspecting the supports? Of course, this is all going to be subject to change now. I bet it will become standard practice to put drones in the air to get up close inspections of the supports on many major rides.
If it had not gotten this attention. It would be open tomorrow! But reaction in the public eye is everything.
@@ryantheridemechanic The reactions to it are crazy! It is getting more negative media coverage than the partial building collapse in Iowa last month. Yet with Fury, no one was in any actual danger.
@@kendonagan5535 yea it’s crazy. Way better things to report on but everyone Is focused on this. Oh well.
@@ryantheridemechaniceah, way better things like the Fast and Furious drift coaster announced!! Also about the news coverage thing on this, I also feel it’s ridiculous. Jetline in Grona Lund was a fatal accident, but instead the media directs their attention to a B&M Giga cracking, not knowing B&M is considered the safest manufacturer and put in tons of redundancies on the track to keep everyone safe in situations like this. And it worked perfectly!
Love your channel! Very useful and trustworthy
Thank you. I do what I can
0:14 I’m down for either one lol jK. Glad your not trying to sell us T-shirts.
😂😂😂 my son asked if I was going to have “merch” I’m like… for what? Why would people want to buy anything from me?!!! But he buys stuff from other UA-camrs so I guess I’m too cheap.
I wonder what caused the break in the first place? And, won't it happen again if they just put it back the way it was?
Something has changed. I wonder if they resurveyed the track and made the new column slightly different. With 3D scanning it’s very easy to do these type of modifications.
Great information! I do think they will have to grout the support and that will take several days to cure, but not sure. I could see testing starting Monday and being done that day or Tuesday. I wouldnt be surprised to see the ride back up next weekend.
They will grout the support for sure. I know the park I was at had a company come in and grout at 4am and they said it would be ok. Most cracked apart however. And honestly cracked grout looks worse than no grout at all.
Carowinds sits in both North and South Carolina. I'm not sure if both states need to sign off on the ride or if one will suffice. I'm kinda hoping Brandon catches some footage of the support arriving
I would THINK both states have to sign off. This would be considered a modification in California and a professional engineer would have to sign off on the installation.
Thanks for the info…I always learn something from them.
Glad to hear it!
I know many skilled people take pride in their work, how would you have felt if this was your ride? Would you wonder if you had missed something? Thanks for the super informative videos, and the dry humor!
It depends on if the original indication was missed or if the park was watching it. Missed, I’d feel bad. Watching it, it is what it is.
It would be great if Mr. Murray could call on you to testify on your expertise to help in the lawsuit but I don't know if he will. CP has a bulldog of an attorney working for them and her family needs all the help they can get. I know of one ex-mechanic who posts on Reddit frequently who worked that ride and he has some very angry words to say about them.
I do investigation of mechanical thing almost full time in my job. I have a ton of question for them as well I might be or not be on their side. I don’t think anyone wants to open a can of opinion worms. Like joe Friday “just the facts”
where do inspections fit into the schedule? their statement said after the 500 cycles and in-house inspections and whatnot they will "ask B&M and the third-party testing firm to perform a final inspection", is that an extensive process?
No it’s very quick inspections. Most of the time 3/4 of that inspection can be done with the ride running. Or just comfort words to hear. The inspection is happening it’s just not a long drawn out process.
You showed a quick clip at 8:07 of people harnessed up straddling the track. After several years doing water safety at a water park, I ended up climbing radio towers, working 200-2000 ft up. How often did you have to climb? Was it more as a safety line like a bucket truck, or did you have to traverse some distance on the track? All my climbs were vertical, seems like a track would be fun to climb.
Most can be accessed with a big manlift. Stuff that can’t, you get up there as high as you can then start climbing. The rungs are about 4 feet apart and the track is greasy. It’s a lot harder to climb than you would think. I’m talking vertical. Some rides welded climbing rings in the structure but my park ad none of those.
@@ryantheridemechaniccan't wait to figure out what your park was. It's only a matter of time. I'm taking a deep dive
@@samich57I think I've got it figured out: he's mentioned a B&M floorless, a GCI that I believe has been RMC'd, Intamin, a Gerstlauer spinner, Premier Rides, a boomerang, another twisty Vekoma thing... He's said he doesn't enjoy Zamperla, and he's showed a Lasker looper. He had not mentioned CCI or PTC. It seems like there have been a few other clues that I'm forgetting. But I'm pretty sure I found it by looking at a list of rides on coasterpedia for the park that I'm pretty sure he was at :)
@@samich57 haha! No diving on the shallow end! It not hard to figure out
Great observation. Can you tell how much the 90+ degree temps will affect the system?
Not sure I understand the question. Can you elaborate on this?
@@ryantheridemechanic As the metal heats up, most steel coasters tend to expand. As most rides are often installed in more moderate temp seasons; there is a formula for expansion and contraction. Here it will likely be installed at a time if greater expansion. Hope that helps clarify.
@@indianoutlaw5702 ah, typically final torque is done mid day when it’s hottest but if weather is not ideal the it’s still torqued. So temperature is really null. The structures ping and bang during expansion and that’s normal.
I wonder how state ride regulations work with the ride being in two states.
Yea I was thinking the same thing. It sounds like both states go there and examine it? Must be fun for them.
Interestingly, Furry's ride station is in North Carolina, but when it goes under the walkway tunnel near the front entrance it's in South Carolina.
I really don't know the answer to that.
Would the ground settling have had something to do with the crack that was in the old support?
That definitely could have been a huge factor. Haven’t heard what the problem actually was I doubt they will ever say.
If Fury's erection lasts longer than 4 hours, should they call a ride mechanic?
Haha!! Best comment ever!!!!!
Is B&M the name of a park, the owners of a park? No mention of the name of the park, the area or the country. Impressive really.
It's a manufacturer.
B&M is the rides manufacture. The park is Carowinds and it’s in North Carolina.
Bollinger & Mabillard
It’s onsite now!!
Awesome. I’m thinking they will put it up tonight.
I have a question, why do they test wildcat 30 minutes after hersheypark opens and open it at 10: 30, and why do they close it at 5: 30 only to open it 15 minutes later. I’ve been there 15 times bc I’m a season pass holder and I have their schedule down to a grain a salt. Is it an issue with all new rmcs or is it just the individual ride? And what park do you work at?
Hmmm I’m not 100% sure but it sounds like a carpentry thing. You would run the ride and the carpenters would have to stay and watch it for an hour to make sure the wood was ok. Also done last thing at the end of the night. Sounds like the park has built In windows for this. It might not be to work on the wood structure it could be to allow the carpenters through a dangerous area that can not be in when the ride is running, kind of like an official track crossing request.
@@ryantheridemechanic I have seen the underflip go through a massive amount of flexing but I know it is supposed to flex a little bit, but in the 5: 30 time slot they seem to be working on the lift components like the chain cogs bc I was in line for 3 times during the 530 time and there was maintenance lookin at the top of the lift hill
@@sendyboi7028 some rides have extreme components to take care of. Lifts have a lot of stress on them because they are heavy. They could be oiling the chain if they don’t have an automatic oiler on it already. I know old PTC rides that are still in operation actually has a mechanic doing a constant track walk between cycles. They have to constantly move and press buttons to allow the next train to go over the lift. Crazy but true.
"talk about Fury and its erection" i thought this was a family channel 😂. I kinda want to take a mini trip when this thing opens back up. Hopefully, the GP will still be a little skeptical about it and the lines will be shorter lol.
On a side note. How long does it take to do a standard morning maintenance routine on a given ride, before a park opens?
Depends on the size of crew. Size of ride, number of trains, and manufacturer of the ride. I would pm an SLC and it took me about 3 hours. I would Pm a B&M and it took the same amount of time. There was much more inspection less repair rank the SLC.
@@ryantheridemechanic I really appreciate your responses when I have questions. Not many UA-camrs do that. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with these rides! It's fun to learn about!
@@jpgiles1725 I understand why large channels don’t answer. Just the subscribers I have is almost a full time job responding. I can’t imagine what it’s like to have 10k+ people throwing questions out.
Do you think they will add more reinforcements to the new support where the current one cracked?
No need. Problem made it slightly different to compensate for whatever they found.
@@ryantheridemechanic Do you think they will take the old support somewhere for further investigation into what may have been the cause of the crack forming ?
This incident might ruin the ride's perception of safety among the general public. Sure we enthusiasts have an understanding of what's going on but the general public does not....all they see are the over dramatized stories from the local news media about how the ride is inherently unsafe and in danger of collapse which will scare them away from riding it.
I'm reminded of how the local news media up here over hyped the two face incident in which the train faulted on the first lift at the start of the cycle with guests on board at SFA 20 years ago. The local media made the situation out to be far worse than it was by repeatedly showing a still image of the train going through the vertical loop.
It was THAT IMAGE that stuck with the local audience much more than the live footage of the train stranded upright at the top of the lift for 3 hours that ABSOLUTELY FRIGHTENED the local public from so much as going near the coaster ever again let alone riding it.
And after all the sources they could talk to, they grab the person leaving the park who was to afraid to ride it in the first place and start broadcasting their opinion with no opposition. Thanks for the comment.
In the Top Thrill Dragster lawsuit filed yesterday, it seems that the victim is trying to sue individual ride mechanics who worked on the ride. Do you have any thoughts on that? Maybe make a video on that because it’s definitely an interesting situation
I don't know the law since I'm not a lawyer, but Murray is probably using them to get info to build his case, since Harris has a track record of defending his CP bosses well. There is one mechanic named in the report who has had nothing but bad things to say about CP, and considering that nearly all of the employees who worked there have since left (with the exception of one who works at GateKeeper) it's going to be hard to find them, but if found maybe they'll help.
I also saw another video yesterday that stated CFEC's quarterly earnings report is going to be bad news, so brace yourself for more rounds of cost-cutting at Cedar Point and other parks.
Could the state make them tske the trains apart
They wouldn’t need to do anything with the trains. This was a structure problem. I can’t think of a reason to pull a train unless there was super excessive vibration but I doubt anything like that is happening.