If this team has a weak mentality and is full of children (which I generally agree with) that is 100% the fault of the coach. As a large part of the fans have said for years, Gregg has done what very well may be irreparable harm to our team and player pool. Gregg has shown through his interviews and his actions that he is a coward who refuses to take accountability when things go wrong and guess what? Now are players are doing the exact same. Again, this should come as no surprise because anyone who was willing to look neutrally at the situation could see it clear as day.
Arena made a bad decision to play almost all the field players for that 2nd game after beating Panama in Miami 4 days earlier. He also put in Tim Howard which was a mistake. Throughout the WC Qualifiers we played the second game with 6 or 7 different starters and kept the same GK Guzan and we got ties away.
@@Beefski True but it really was a fluke situation; it should not have mattered because of the massive difference in level. The two goals T&T scored were a ridiculous shot from 40 yards that its crazy Howard didn't make a save. And the second one which was a fluke own goal off Omar Gonzalez clearance that looped back to the goal. And on top of that a phantom goal in another qualifier put Honduras through. Going into that last game the chances that the US would fail to qualify was something like 1-2% and would take a series of strange results and that is what happened. Still when you control your own fate you have to come through and not worry what else is going on. I couldn't believe GGG was looking to Bolivia to save the US.
@@psu2dcu I agree about the Ghost goal that hurt the USA but our players were too tired to show up and they took T&T too easy with no drive to finish that game. I remember Jozy missed a shot that he hit with no real intent and then the next game in Toronto FC he has the same position and shot and drives the shot into the goal with real malice, And I just yelled out load yes that is what we needed against T&T where was that just a few days earlier. We can never underestimate our opponents and think we will get better throughout the tournament. Max mentioned that the team said that they were not training hard for Copa America----What??? That is on the coach and staff.
I think the problem is, the USA team has a lack of depth in a few positions, especially the defensive positions. So the players are getting too comfortable, knowing that they don't really have to fight for their position on the roster. Since most of our players have known each other since they were teenagers, they probably see the tournaments like summer camps where they get to hang out with friends. There is definitely a lack of maturity on this team. When I watch this team play, it sometimes seems like I am watching youth players. It's obvious that the players like GB because they know they are able to control him. It's like when kids have a favorite teacher in school because he is chill and let's them watch movies in class. My problem wasn't that GB was including MLS players in the roster, it was that the players he picked, were not the best players in MLS. It seemed like he showed favoritism to certain MLS players. I don't have a problem with the next manager using MLS players. I just want them to be the best American players in MLS.
Always appreciate the well thought out analysis. So much USMNT coverage is just anger and pointing fingers. Also, really enjoy your MLS commentary on AppleTV.
Roldan is a joke....but id take Long & Zimmerman over CCV and i dont understand why that would be a crazy idea. Celtic plays against WEAKER clubs than MLS...why is CCV rewarded when he doesnt test himself in europe.
Max said to put Roldan in the squad, not to start him. And not for skill, but for grit and leadership. I don’t think I’m 100% on board but it’s definitely not crazy
@@santiagohills3997 im pretty sure he'd rather have roldan start over reyna bc he plays for his club. But I'm sure he wanted Morris to start over Pulisic in Qatar when Pulisic wasn't playing for Chelsea right?
Only OG we want is John Brooks who was kicked out cuz he didn’t get along with GGG. Probably still out best CB and would call out BS. Keep the other MLS lifers at home.
Gio Reyna had the highest rating for any US field player against Uruguay on FotMob. He also was critical on our two best chances. He also played more than 4 times as many minutes for his club as the indispensable Tyler Adams.
@@cubanhammer so then wouldn't the logical fix to be hire a coach who would push Gio to find a place where he can start therefore increasing his talent and getting better so he could start in your Utopian world of this pool? Wouldn't that be more beneficial than status quo and asking some random MLS 10 to start over him just because they actually start in MLS?
The reason we lost was not a lack of MLS players who've proven over and over again theyre not good enough in big moments. Zimmerman gifted a PK to Wales in the World Cup and Acosta almost gifted a goal with a giveaway in the same game. Roldan over his illustrious career has no goals and assists and his level was on full display during last summers Gold Cup and the Panama away WCQ for which there are compilations of his disaster class. If youre going to mention "experienced players", mention John Brooks who's actually played in a World Cup even scoring a winner. He's by far the best passer outta the back in our pool and that would have been needed as no one offers what he does. No CB 's defense has been good enough to justify his continued omission from the roster. The reason for this failure, which you pointed out is that the players have become too comfortable and complacent under GGG. It's as if once you learn his complex system, you're in. And when you're out you're out with no way back in like John Brooks or even Steffen whom I'm surprised you've omitted now that he's in MLS. Can we say Turner is better now that his competition has been exiled. It's also a feature of his teams to make silly errors in big moments and this goes back to WCQ and the WC itself ball watching, failing to track runners, trying to PoB instead of clearing, silly fouls that cut our momentum and so many more. In closing, to say the reason why the USMNT failed this summer was because a lack of MLS players and that we didnt have a guy line Roldan pushing Reyna for minutes is at best oversimplistic and at worse cheap MLS propaganda. The reasons are myriad and the current crop of players are at fault, especially Weah for his meltdown, Mckennie for being fat and so on. But all of this starts at the top and it's not like we can replace the players so a change at the top is in order. Next coach should be a disciplinarian that strikes the fear of God into these spoiled princelings.
Not the takeaway from video, just part of a bigger conversation. Just saying team under same coach looked a lot better than now.. I want a fresh start with Coach, and players need to snap out of it too. Thanks for tuning in
people were critical the first day he was hired because his brother was on the board that does the hiring, it reeked of nepotism. Avoiding impropriety as well as the appearance of impropriety is just as important. he didn't have the credentials for the job, these things don't inspire confidence in a fan base. Whatever grace a new coach typically gets is out the window when there's a nepotism hire. GGG record was not great to begin with, the hiring lacked ambition in what was suppose to be the most important cycle in us soccer history
We have been going after CCV and Richards. But there is a difference why does Gregg ask these player to do things they are not good at. But when at there clubs they seem to play much better. Also CCV probably should not come back for a while.
Max I think it’s more of getting back at people who criticized those of us for wanting Berhalter out & those same people coming to the exact same conclusion now rather than just saying “see we told you so”
@@cubanhammerWhen loyalty to a leader blinds one to repeated failures, the eventual realization of the truth often comes with defensive rationalizations. Early critics, dismissed and derided, rarely receive acknowledgment, as admitting their correctness would undermine the defender’s own past convictions.
You have a point with the center backs. Everyone else you're out of your mind. Roldan who has never scored a goal with the national team? Morris, Ariola, Lletget who aren't even stand outs in MLS anymore. By the way, the best American in MLS is currently Diego Luna, and he didn't even make a u23 team. I'll happily take any MLS players who are killing it in their team, and then prove it with good national team performances.
Is Doug Mac playing with words a little here? Hayes has her current contract, yes, but there will be pressure to renegotiate it. Plus the equal pay agreement would come into effect once said contract is over. It’s just not as simple as he laid out in his tweet.
Max I agree with what you are saying. Fans rarely see the whole picture. Arguments for or ahainst rarely come from rational place. Kudos to for rethinking about this situation.
Max I think your overanalyzing now just like the rest of the media which I guess IS your job!! The end of your segment is shared by many others and I think is unfair, to say these players are soft and we dont have guys who run through walls and dont give up seems weird when they played so hard for 80 mins a man down against Panama turned around 4 days later and outplayed Uruguay (a tourney favorite for some) ran out of gas and still kept it tight and fell to a contested offside call. Sure they didnt create enough but they were playing a very good team, how much did England create VS Slovakia? How much did Portugal create against Slovenia? Uruguay had the better stats by a small margin, the play on the field to me showed a 50-50 game with a tourney favorite. These players are good enough and I didnt see a lack of trying I see a team that cannot get over that last hurdle and so yes a change must be made but to insinuate these players are weak seems silly, is that the analysis of every team that fails?
@@jonathonedwardmiller I guess, I just dont know how u say that after going toe to toe with one of the “hardest” teams out there. I didnt see anyone back down I saw a lack of ideas and blown offside call that cost them the game
@@Kyle-ls7gp well you don't have to just say that. It's a fact that we were the least aggressive team at Copa America group stage. We had a 15% aggression percentage. #1, Uruguay, had a 27%.
One day it would be nice to dig into the MLS pool. But moment of individual talent carries this team through the GB era. We need a new coach, if the results are the same then yeah, we start to question the players.
Bruce also said that the World Cup is a young man’s game. Landon was a baby in 2002. The US was late to every ball. I suspect they were training at half speed, not at game speed. A result of insufficient competition for spots. The Copa is not a vacation. Concur that a few more old heads would be great. Mckennie showed me what the Leeds supporters saw last year. Undisciplined with and without the ball.
You start off the video by saying these younger euro based players are “well into their prime” then talk about how there’s no experience in the team. You can’t have it both ways.
No. Pulisic has being playing since he was 17 , is like 25 now and has played in champions league finals and the world cup. Tim Ream is 37 years old for god sake.McKennie and Adam’s have been playing in Europe for years and are both 25 or close to it. If you think Sebastian Llegett or Kellyn Acosta would of made a difference, you’re either intentionally dishonest or just shilling for mls
@@johnhurt4792 I mentioned last video, our core players are ages 24-25. Our young players are 20-22. Plus we have older experience in Jedi and Ream. It’s ridiculous to think that profesional experience in Europe doesn’t translate to the national team.
@@cubanhammerthe problem is that we don’t have a coach who will push these guys to have amazing club careers. There’s no incentive for them to challenge themselves
As much as I didn't enjoy GGG tactics, I always had hope in the team. Sometimes, it seemed that the teams quality was saving him game after game. Regardless, I never rooted against the USMNT to see GGG gone. Even now, I'd prefer to keep GGG and not be ridiculed in Copa. To late now, we need a change.
Max, have you ever wondered how the USSF let a quality coach like Jesse Marsch slip thorough its ranks?. Can you imagine the USMNT having him as their coach? I think the USNMT would've progressed a lot further. Sad to say, the USSF's loss is Canada's gain because they made history in the Copa America. Whether or not they make it to the semi final of the Copa America, in my humble opinion, it is a success, even though it is a small step. I really believe that under Jesse Marsch, Canada is going to get better and be well prepared for the 2026 FIFA World Cup. Playing against world class opponents like France, Netherlands, and Argentina will only make Canada stronger, and the experiences they get will be very valuable down the road. And more importantly, they are learning how to win. When you think about it, Canada and the United States are on the same level as they both want to get better in soccer on the world stage. The problem,, however, and it is ironic, that we have an American coach that is going to bring the best out of the Canadian players, and showing them how to win. It will take a while but it will bear fruit down the road. Sadly, the USMNT have a coach that's going to make things worse by accepting mediocrity. and if changes aren't made very soon, American soccer is going to suffer, and lose the hard-won respect it has gained both at home and abroad.
If there needs to be a reckoning due to a new coach forcing these players to work for their spots, so be it! We cannot be afraid of rough times, otherwise we will never move forward. Sad I am saying this in 2024, what a waste of so many years under berhalter.
@@scottbaron121 I mean hes kinda right to point out we finally got an all European based team and they perform worse than previous teams stocked with MLSers! Euro snobs suck it! Haha
Greta analysis Max on numerous occasions that only players from professional European clubs should be on the USMNT because they are better-quality players. The chicken came home to roost because all of the starting USMNT players played in Europe during Copa America and didn't qualify for the knockout round. That is a myth the facts are that regardless of what league a USMNT player plays in whether it is MLS, ELP, Bundesliga, or Series A if you are not in form and getting quality minutes you should not be called up to compete in a major tournament such as Copa America or the World Cup.
Not getting minutes or being in form for MLS teams or EPL clubs are 2 completely different things. There's levels to this. Would you rather have an out of form Reyna or an IN form Roldan
Max. If they hire a new Coach do you think the federation will try to "force" the golden generation ideas on the coach or let him have free range with the roster. Say Brooks back and Dest ans Weah out. Maybe the whole midfield changed, or just keep Addams . Would they allow that?
Yeah, I'm really sick of the slagging on the player pool. It's a totally dishonest Gregg Berhalter protection racket. We have issues in the player pool, but so does almost every other team.
I said on record Gregg should have been out after World Cup. Its his fault this squad was assembled and failed . You ok with these player performances?Thanks for tuning in.
Is this a "country club team?" Are too many players too comfortable and not feeling the challenge of in-team competition? Are the USSF and/or Berhalter "Eurosnobs" that have conclusively concluded a player warming the bench in Europe is better than one playing games in MLS? What does it say about the coaching and culture that we've seen two separate stupid red cards in competitive games? Do these Europe-based players view officials on this side of the pond as buffoons not to be taken seriously?
I just don't understand the "people shouldn't be doing victory laps about GB" or "nobody was perfect in their predictions" takes. If someone sees someone else getting into a car and is warning about a car crash coming in about 200 miles (because they clearly see it coming), when that car crash finally happens as predicted, weren't they right all along? There were many people (yourself included) that kept talking about how the car hadn't crashed in mile 50 or mile 100 and derided those that were barking out warnings but refused to look at what was ahead, and now that we are at mile 200 and the crash has happened, you're saying those people that were warning about the car crash all along weren't right? That just makes no sense to me.
Gregg Berhalter tried the MLS players in the World Cup and they performed worse than the Euro players, at least statistically. It was impossible for Gregg B. to sub without a serious drop in quality. I'm not against MLS players coming aboard, but it's young players like Luna and McGlynn who have a Euro future if they want it.
Points made: 1. Nobody was right about the US situation. False. I, and many others, were warning people for 6 months since the draw went out. You can claim something as true, doesn't make it. We've been warning people about this since BEFORE he was rehired. 2. This is not a golden generation. Again, false. In terms of pure talent, this is 100% our best group of players. Just because they're not playing at that level for country doesn't change the fact. This is NOT the best performing group but it is the most talented. Alabama was the most talented team in CFB last year but MICHIGAN won the natty and beat Alabama to do it. 3. We can't be naive to put all the blame on Gregg Berhalter. You're either making up a scenario in which fans are 100% blaming the coach or you're not informed. Either way, it's a wrong point. EVERYBODY who is mad at Berhalter is also mad at the players. Yes, the players deserve blame for carrying out a terrible mentality throughout this tournament. 4. Why would you play a team without experience. Ah yes, the MLS shills favorite argument! Are you seriously trying to tell me if Gregg started Shaq Moore and Miles Robinson and had more MLS players against Panama, they would've won that game? That "experienced" team argument doesn't work when that "experienced" team lost to Panama in the semifinals of the Gold Cup. But let's grant your experience: where is Lennard Maloney? Why is de la Torre not getting minutes in this tournament? Why did Sargent not get minutes? Where's JOHN BROOKS? Where's AUSTON TRUSTY? Does their experience not count in your opinion over MLS experience? Experience only matters if the experience is quality. If the experience isn't quality, it's dead roster spots. On top of that, you started off by saying these players are entering their prime. 5. Jurgen Klopp might've played MLS players in this tournament. Stop it Max. You have no clue what he would've done. Every coach has a different vision for the player pool. That's MLS shill bullshit. 6. We had players (Turner, Ream, Reyna, Pepi, Musah, Balogun, McKennie, Weah) not playing tons of minutes for clubs. We need guys playing for clubs. Ok, who would you rather have over those guys? Name me better options rn than those guys who are playing for clubs by your standards. And btw, when Pulisic or Dest weren't playing for their clubs AT ALL, were you on here trying to ask for Gregg and US Soccer to start Jordan Morris or Shaq Moore or Paul Arriola over Pulisic and Dest bc they were starting for club? I don't think so. 7. Former generations were always the guy. Cool. When the previous group came back to MLS, the USMNT didn't qualify for the World Cup even though they were all the guys on their teams. You're gonna need to explain why that was in order to make that argument for the future. 8. You would've brought Long, Roldan and Zimmerman? Do you HONESTLY think those players are better quality and put us in a better spot to win than fucking Malik Tillman (who didn't even play), Gio Reyna (who you said is the 2nd most talented player in this pool), McKennie, Johnny (who had an amazing half season at Real Betis), Chris Richards, Tim Ream? If you do, I don't know what to fucking tell you. 9. I don't understand why you think we are toxic when Long and biased towards Richards and CCV when they make mistakes. If you would unblock me on Twitter, or read my comments and respond to me instead of hiding, you would know that I was not happy AT ALL with either of their performances. But that doesn't mean Long and Zimmerman would be better. 10. I think a new coach is going to come in and not play players if they're not starting for clubs. Are you implying he'll turn to MLS players? That's not how this works. Players like Reyna would be more likely in a situation like that to find a club that will start him and figure his shit out. We agree players should be playing for clubs. But the problem is that Gregg Berhalter doesn't give incentive to make that happen. He plays the players anyway instead of sitting down and caring about their future. A disciplinarian coach still wants the best for their pool and will push them to be their best selves.
Canada has 13 MLS Players..and to your awesome point...u GOT to have players on your team that are playing throughout their year/club team. I'm w you on the team being soft. Berhalter got to go. The American coach in Germany..he's American....he played defense Mattrazzo
Little experience?? Aren't most of these guys veterans of a world cup, multiple Nations leagues and Gold Cups?? Are they young? yes, but these boys are not inexperienced. In my opinion, their talent is over hyped and Gregg Berhalter is a very bad coach.
Interesting that Jesse Marsch led Canada to Gold Cup Semis, 2 months ago as CBS pundit said he would have brought in Long to Nations League roster. You don't have to hear it from me, how bout the hottest Coach in CONCACAF. Come back again any time.
@@cubanhammer pretty sure he was talking about Long for the Olympics. And second of all, Jesse is still not a good coach. Sure he is way better than Gregg, but that’s not saying much.
And not to discredit what Marsch has done so far, but the best team he’s beaten is Venezuela on penalties. Jesse‘s true colors will shine through eventually and Canada will come back down to earth.
We saw Roldan and Long in the Gold Cup last summer. They were both horrible. Long got benched after the first game because he was so bad. He’s not even a good MLS centerback anymore.
I know certain MLS players like Jordan Morris have become a meme to USMNT fans. However one advantage MLS gives us is we have players in mid-season form. The whole USA squad was on their off-season and I guarantee you GGG enabled the weak mentality to permeate thru the camp. I guarantee you a couple of MLS guys brought in to camp simply to kick the shit out of guys dogging it in training would eliminate our careless approach to this tournamant. It doesnt take an insider to recognize Weston McKinnie didnt give a shit about this tournament. CCV shouldnt get a free pass to the national team because he plays for Celtic. Celtic are a fucking joke nowadays and they play maybe 2 meaningful games a year. Pepi content with riding pine in Holland shouldnt be rewarded.
@@cubanhammer MLS/Europe debate is long gone.. Major problem is Berhalter and player relationships, they are too casual and easygoing as Tim Ream talked about training intensity: Berhalter can’t push this player enough, he has to go now.
If we (USMNT) doesn't go all out for a high profile coach , it dhows their ambitions for the world cup. Its rhe most important event, go all out. Cant aim for stars with a paper plane( berhalter) Agree its on players also but majority on coach. Regardless of red card, we should have won against Panama. How does Panama and other central American countries punch above their weight and we cant. All on coach.
Truth is our player pool is crap compared to most European and South American sides What may be a "golden generation" to the USA would make a mediocre side in the UK championship
Was a little different of a team than we have in 2024. Those small details the difference in making out of a group and not. That's kind of why I made video. Thanks for checking us out
For the millionth time!!! Our PLUS ATHLETES DO NOT PLAY SOCCER!! No other country of our size would ever deal with the issue of “NO TALENT”! Our best athletes make 100’s of millions in f dollars playing Americas big three sports. So funny how its the coach! Please for FU$&S sake tell the truth!
You know what, I think you touch a point not many people realized. Everyone is caught up in how bad Berhalter is and how his line up affected negatively the USMNT performance but in reality is just one aspect of the failure. Honestly we all have failed into the false premise that as long as we get European based players we are good. In reality how good is that our entire line up plays in Europe but don’t get significant meaningful minutes? Turner and Horwath would have been a lot more sharp if they were playing here in MLS than sitting on the bench in Europe. I guess there is a reason why Pepi and Reyna can’t get minutes in their respective clubs. Also, why is it Reyna is entitled as starter in the National Team? Against Bolivia he was non existent and was against the worst weakest team in the tournament. Klopp, Mourinho or any top European coach would have NOT play Gio or Weah because they are not getting minutes and in good competitions like Copa America it shows. Gregg Should go but players shouldn’t get a pass either. If we are really think ourselves as a serious soccer nation we should hold coaches, players and the Federation accountable. Fans also, we can’t tell and scream how backwards we are compared to Europe and demand high paying coaches while our USMNT plays away in our own country. 🤌🤌🤌
INDIVIDUALLY, the USMNT is composed of the most talented players the US has ever produced. That's just a fact. Technically and athletically speaking...they ARE. They've been coached to be soft. They play soft. When adversity hits, they aren't capable of over-coming it. They need to grow the fuck up! They play for European clubs for crying out loud! Maybe this is why many of them are bench riding over there?
The fact Gregg is still employed is embarrassing
He should have been gone after WC
And our players are shit also. Cant blame the coach when our players suck ass in comparison to the majority of the world.
If this team has a weak mentality and is full of children (which I generally agree with) that is 100% the fault of the coach. As a large part of the fans have said for years, Gregg has done what very well may be irreparable harm to our team and player pool. Gregg has shown through his interviews and his actions that he is a coward who refuses to take accountability when things go wrong and guess what? Now are players are doing the exact same. Again, this should come as no surprise because anyone who was willing to look neutrally at the situation could see it clear as day.
Didn’t Arena have almost a full squad of experienced MLS players but lost to a T&T B team, which resulted in not qualifying for the 2018 WC?
Arena made a bad decision to play almost all the field players for that 2nd game after beating Panama in Miami 4 days earlier. He also put in Tim Howard which was a mistake. Throughout the WC Qualifiers we played the second game with 6 or 7 different starters and kept the same GK Guzan and we got ties away.
@@Beefski True but it really was a fluke situation; it should not have mattered because of the massive difference in level. The two goals T&T scored were a ridiculous shot from 40 yards that its crazy Howard didn't make a save. And the second one which was a fluke own goal off Omar Gonzalez clearance that looped back to the goal. And on top of that a phantom goal in another qualifier put Honduras through. Going into that last game the chances that the US would fail to qualify was something like 1-2% and would take a series of strange results and that is what happened. Still when you control your own fate you have to come through and not worry what else is going on. I couldn't believe GGG was looking to Bolivia to save the US.
@@psu2dcu I agree about the Ghost goal that hurt the USA but our players were too tired to show up and they took T&T too easy with no drive to finish that game. I remember Jozy missed a shot that he hit with no real intent and then the next game in Toronto FC he has the same position and shot and drives the shot into the goal with real malice, And I just yelled out load yes that is what we needed against T&T where was that just a few days earlier. We can never underestimate our opponents and think we will get better throughout the tournament. Max mentioned that the team said that they were not training hard for Copa America----What??? That is on the coach and staff.
I think the problem is, the USA team has a lack of depth in a few positions, especially the defensive positions. So the players are getting too comfortable, knowing that they don't really have to fight for their position on the roster. Since most of our players have known each other since they were teenagers, they probably see the tournaments like summer camps where they get to hang out with friends. There is definitely a lack of maturity on this team. When I watch this team play, it sometimes seems like I am watching youth players. It's obvious that the players like GB because they know they are able to control him. It's like when kids have a favorite teacher in school because he is chill and let's them watch movies in class. My problem wasn't that GB was including MLS players in the roster, it was that the players he picked, were not the best players in MLS. It seemed like he showed favoritism to certain MLS players. I don't have a problem with the next manager using MLS players. I just want them to be the best American players in MLS.
Always appreciate the well thought out analysis. So much USMNT coverage is just anger and pointing fingers.
Also, really enjoy your MLS commentary on AppleTV.
You're a fucking mad man to say play Long, Zimmerman and Roldan again 😂
Roldan is a joke....but id take Long & Zimmerman over CCV and i dont understand why that would be a crazy idea. Celtic plays against WEAKER clubs than MLS...why is CCV rewarded when he doesnt test himself in europe.
Max said to put Roldan in the squad, not to start him. And not for skill, but for grit and leadership.
I don’t think I’m 100% on board but it’s definitely not crazy
@@santiagohills3997 im pretty sure he'd rather have roldan start over reyna bc he plays for his club. But I'm sure he wanted Morris to start over Pulisic in Qatar when Pulisic wasn't playing for Chelsea right?
Only OG we want is John Brooks who was kicked out cuz he didn’t get along with GGG. Probably still out best CB and would call out BS. Keep the other MLS lifers at home.
Gio Reyna had the highest rating for any US field player against Uruguay on FotMob. He also was critical on our two best chances. He also played more than 4 times as many minutes for his club as the indispensable Tyler Adams.
Gio is a 100% starter, but we are barely scratching surface with him if he is not playing with club. Adams another issue, should have reinforced that
@@cubanhammer so then wouldn't the logical fix to be hire a coach who would push Gio to find a place where he can start therefore increasing his talent and getting better so he could start in your Utopian world of this pool? Wouldn't that be more beneficial than status quo and asking some random MLS 10 to start over him just because they actually start in MLS?
The reason we lost was not a lack of MLS players who've proven over and over again theyre not good enough in big moments. Zimmerman gifted a PK to Wales in the World Cup and Acosta almost gifted a goal with a giveaway in the same game. Roldan over his illustrious career has no goals and assists and his level was on full display during last summers Gold Cup and the Panama away WCQ for which there are compilations of his disaster class.
If youre going to mention "experienced players", mention John Brooks who's actually played in a World Cup even scoring a winner. He's by far the best passer outta the back in our pool and that would have been needed as no one offers what he does. No CB 's defense has been good enough to justify his continued omission from the roster.
The reason for this failure, which you pointed out is that the players have become too comfortable and complacent under GGG. It's as if once you learn his complex system, you're in. And when you're out you're out with no way back in like John Brooks or even Steffen whom I'm surprised you've omitted now that he's in MLS. Can we say Turner is better now that his competition has been exiled.
It's also a feature of his teams to make silly errors in big moments and this goes back to WCQ and the WC itself ball watching, failing to track runners, trying to PoB instead of clearing, silly fouls that cut our momentum and so many more.
In closing, to say the reason why the USMNT failed this summer was because a lack of MLS players and that we didnt have a guy line Roldan pushing Reyna for minutes is at best oversimplistic and at worse cheap MLS propaganda. The reasons are myriad and the current crop of players are at fault, especially Weah for his meltdown, Mckennie for being fat and so on. But all of this starts at the top and it's not like we can replace the players so a change at the top is in order. Next coach should be a disciplinarian that strikes the fear of God into these spoiled princelings.
Not the takeaway from video, just part of a bigger conversation. Just saying team under same coach looked a lot better than now.. I want a fresh start with Coach, and players need to snap out of it too. Thanks for tuning in
@@cubanhammer Agreed that the players need to snap out of their stupor, too many individual unforced errors. Thanks for replying!
people were critical the first day he was hired because his brother was on the board that does the hiring, it reeked of nepotism. Avoiding impropriety as well as the appearance of impropriety is just as important. he didn't have the credentials for the job, these things don't inspire confidence in a fan base. Whatever grace a new coach typically gets is out the window when there's a nepotism hire. GGG record was not great to begin with, the hiring lacked ambition in what was suppose to be the most important cycle in us soccer history
We have been going after CCV and Richards. But there is a difference why does Gregg ask these player to do things they are not good at. But when at there clubs they seem to play much better. Also CCV probably should not come back for a while.
Max I think it’s more of getting back at people who criticized those of us for wanting Berhalter out & those same people coming to the exact same conclusion now rather than just saying “see we told you so”
hmm.. I have seen both
@@cubanhammerWhen loyalty to a leader blinds one to repeated failures, the eventual realization of the truth often comes with defensive rationalizations. Early critics, dismissed and derided, rarely receive acknowledgment, as admitting their correctness would undermine the defender’s own past convictions.
You have a point with the center backs. Everyone else you're out of your mind. Roldan who has never scored a goal with the national team? Morris, Ariola, Lletget who aren't even stand outs in MLS anymore. By the way, the best American in MLS is currently Diego Luna, and he didn't even make a u23 team. I'll happily take any MLS players who are killing it in their team, and then prove it with good national team performances.
Is Doug Mac playing with words a little here? Hayes has her current contract, yes, but there will be pressure to renegotiate it. Plus the equal pay agreement would come into effect once said contract is over. It’s just not as simple as he laid out in his tweet.
Max I agree with what you are saying. Fans rarely see the whole picture. Arguments for or ahainst rarely come from rational place. Kudos to for rethinking about this situation.
Player carried Berhalter until they can’t. All blame on a guy who hire Berhalter
Max I think your overanalyzing now just like the rest of the media which I guess IS your job!! The end of your segment is shared by many others and I think is unfair, to say these players are soft and we dont have guys who run through walls and dont give up seems weird when they played so hard for 80 mins a man down against Panama turned around 4 days later and outplayed Uruguay (a tourney favorite for some) ran out of gas and still kept it tight and fell to a contested offside call. Sure they didnt create enough but they were playing a very good team, how much did England create VS Slovakia? How much did Portugal create against Slovenia? Uruguay had the better stats by a small margin, the play on the field to me showed a 50-50 game with a tourney favorite. These players are good enough and I didnt see a lack of trying I see a team that cannot get over that last hurdle and so yes a change must be made but to insinuate these players are weak seems silly, is that the analysis of every team that fails?
The end where he said the players are soft is probably the only point of his I actually agreed with.
@@jonathonedwardmiller I guess, I just dont know how u say that after going toe to toe with one of the “hardest” teams out there. I didnt see anyone back down I saw a lack of ideas and blown offside call that cost them the game
@@Kyle-ls7gp well you don't have to just say that. It's a fact that we were the least aggressive team at Copa America group stage. We had a 15% aggression percentage. #1, Uruguay, had a 27%.
@@jonathonedwardmiller never heard that stat? How is it computed?? Tackles?
@@Kyle-ls7gp tackling, pressing, or fouling the opponent's ball receipts within two seconds
One day it would be nice to dig into the MLS pool. But moment of individual talent carries this team through the GB era. We need a new coach, if the results are the same then yeah, we start to question the players.
Bruce also said that the World Cup is a young man’s game. Landon was a baby in 2002.
The US was late to every ball. I suspect they were training at half speed, not at game speed. A result of insufficient competition for spots. The Copa is not a vacation.
Concur that a few more old heads would be great.
Mckennie showed me what the Leeds supporters saw last year. Undisciplined with and without the ball.
Good stuff Max, Can you cover the Olympic team and shed some light in whether any of those guys might make a push into the senior team
You start off the video by saying these younger euro based players are “well into their prime” then talk about how there’s no experience in the team. You can’t have it both ways.
This Copa squad was lacking big game experience and club experience under their belts.. And it showed. Can we agree on that?
No. Pulisic has being playing since he was 17 , is like 25 now and has played in champions league finals and the world cup. Tim Ream is 37 years old for god sake.McKennie and Adam’s have been playing in Europe for years and are both 25 or close to it. If you think Sebastian Llegett or Kellyn Acosta would of made a difference, you’re either intentionally dishonest or just shilling for mls
@@johnhurt4792 I mentioned last video, our core players are ages 24-25. Our young players are 20-22. Plus we have older experience in Jedi and Ream. It’s ridiculous to think that profesional experience in Europe doesn’t translate to the national team.
Exactly. This dude talks out of his ass so much, he has to tape it shut to keep all the shit he says from leaking into his pants.
@@cubanhammerthe problem is that we don’t have a coach who will push these guys to have amazing club careers. There’s no incentive for them to challenge themselves
As much as I didn't enjoy GGG tactics, I always had hope in the team. Sometimes, it seemed that the teams quality was saving him game after game. Regardless, I never rooted against the USMNT to see GGG gone. Even now, I'd prefer to keep GGG and not be ridiculed in Copa. To late now, we need a change.
Max, have you ever wondered how the USSF let a quality coach like Jesse Marsch slip thorough its ranks?. Can you imagine the USMNT having him as their coach? I think the USNMT would've progressed a lot further. Sad to say, the USSF's loss is Canada's gain because they made history in the Copa America. Whether or not they make it to the semi final of the Copa America, in my humble opinion, it is a success, even though it is a small step. I really believe that under Jesse Marsch, Canada is going to get better and be well prepared for the 2026 FIFA World Cup. Playing against world class opponents like France, Netherlands, and Argentina will only make Canada stronger, and the experiences they get will be very valuable down the road. And more importantly, they are learning how to win.
When you think about it, Canada and the United States are on the same level as they both want to get better in soccer on the world stage. The problem,, however, and it is ironic, that we have an American coach that is going to bring the best out of the Canadian players, and showing them how to win. It will take a while but it will bear fruit down the road.
Sadly, the USMNT have a coach that's going to make things worse by accepting mediocrity. and if changes aren't made very soon, American soccer is going to suffer, and lose the hard-won respect it has gained both at home and abroad.
If there needs to be a reckoning due to a new coach forcing these players to work for their spots, so be it! We cannot be afraid of rough times, otherwise we will never move forward. Sad I am saying this in 2024, what a waste of so many years under berhalter.
Max...you're right! Bring back the MLS scrubs! By God...why hasn't anyone thought of this!
@@scottbaron121 I mean hes kinda right to point out we finally got an all European based team and they perform worse than previous teams stocked with MLSers! Euro snobs suck it! Haha
Greta analysis Max on numerous occasions that only players from professional European clubs should be on the USMNT because they are better-quality players.
The chicken came home to roost because all of the starting USMNT players played in Europe during Copa America and didn't qualify for the knockout round.
That is a myth the facts are that regardless of what league a USMNT player plays in whether it is MLS, ELP, Bundesliga, or Series A if you are not in form and getting quality minutes you should not be called up to compete in a major tournament such as Copa America or the World Cup.
Not getting minutes or being in form for MLS teams or EPL clubs are 2 completely different things. There's levels to this. Would you rather have an out of form Reyna or an IN form Roldan
Max. If they hire a new Coach do you think the federation will try to "force" the golden generation ideas on the coach or let him have free range with the roster. Say Brooks back and Dest ans Weah out. Maybe the whole midfield changed, or just keep Addams . Would they allow that?
Yeah, I'm really sick of the slagging on the player pool. It's a totally dishonest Gregg Berhalter protection racket. We have issues in the player pool, but so does almost every other team.
It’s amazing how much effort Max puts in to deflecting blame from Gregg.
I said on record Gregg should have been out after World Cup. Its his fault this squad was assembled and failed . You ok with these player performances?Thanks for tuning in.
@@WyldStallion-bs9oo I don't know man, I think there are rumblings.
World Cup 22 was not a US victory. We were in an easy group and managed 2 ties and a win against Iran. Come on!
Was it better than 2018? You need some perspective here. We want to raise the bar, but as we saw in Copa, its not going to happen at lightning pace.
@@cubanhammer literally shitting on a field for 270 minutes with 3 4-0 losses and 10 red cards would've been better than 2018.
@@cubanhammer 2018 was the exception in the last 30+ years of USMNT history, not the rule. Not a good way to present an argument.
Is this a "country club team?" Are too many players too comfortable and not feeling the challenge of in-team competition?
Are the USSF and/or Berhalter "Eurosnobs" that have conclusively concluded a player warming the bench in Europe is better than one playing games in MLS?
What does it say about the coaching and culture that we've seen two separate stupid red cards in competitive games? Do these Europe-based players view officials on this side of the pond as buffoons not to be taken seriously?
Is it more beneficial to start an out of form Reyna (8 G/5 A in 31 caps) or an in form Cristian Roldan (0 G/3 A in 37 caps)?
I just don't understand the "people shouldn't be doing victory laps about GB" or "nobody was perfect in their predictions" takes. If someone sees someone else getting into a car and is warning about a car crash coming in about 200 miles (because they clearly see it coming), when that car crash finally happens as predicted, weren't they right all along? There were many people (yourself included) that kept talking about how the car hadn't crashed in mile 50 or mile 100 and derided those that were barking out warnings but refused to look at what was ahead, and now that we are at mile 200 and the crash has happened, you're saying those people that were warning about the car crash all along weren't right? That just makes no sense to me.
Gregg Berhalter tried the MLS players in the World Cup and they performed worse than the Euro players, at least statistically. It was impossible for Gregg B. to sub without a serious drop in quality. I'm not against MLS players coming aboard, but it's young players like Luna and McGlynn who have a Euro future if they want it.
Points made:
1. Nobody was right about the US situation. False. I, and many others, were warning people for 6 months since the draw went out. You can claim something as true, doesn't make it. We've been warning people about this since BEFORE he was rehired.
2. This is not a golden generation. Again, false. In terms of pure talent, this is 100% our best group of players. Just because they're not playing at that level for country doesn't change the fact. This is NOT the best performing group but it is the most talented. Alabama was the most talented team in CFB last year but MICHIGAN won the natty and beat Alabama to do it.
3. We can't be naive to put all the blame on Gregg Berhalter. You're either making up a scenario in which fans are 100% blaming the coach or you're not informed. Either way, it's a wrong point. EVERYBODY who is mad at Berhalter is also mad at the players. Yes, the players deserve blame for carrying out a terrible mentality throughout this tournament.
4. Why would you play a team without experience. Ah yes, the MLS shills favorite argument! Are you seriously trying to tell me if Gregg started Shaq Moore and Miles Robinson and had more MLS players against Panama, they would've won that game? That "experienced" team argument doesn't work when that "experienced" team lost to Panama in the semifinals of the Gold Cup. But let's grant your experience: where is Lennard Maloney? Why is de la Torre not getting minutes in this tournament? Why did Sargent not get minutes? Where's JOHN BROOKS? Where's AUSTON TRUSTY? Does their experience not count in your opinion over MLS experience? Experience only matters if the experience is quality. If the experience isn't quality, it's dead roster spots. On top of that, you started off by saying these players are entering their prime.
5. Jurgen Klopp might've played MLS players in this tournament. Stop it Max. You have no clue what he would've done. Every coach has a different vision for the player pool. That's MLS shill bullshit.
6. We had players (Turner, Ream, Reyna, Pepi, Musah, Balogun, McKennie, Weah) not playing tons of minutes for clubs. We need guys playing for clubs. Ok, who would you rather have over those guys? Name me better options rn than those guys who are playing for clubs by your standards. And btw, when Pulisic or Dest weren't playing for their clubs AT ALL, were you on here trying to ask for Gregg and US Soccer to start Jordan Morris or Shaq Moore or Paul Arriola over Pulisic and Dest bc they were starting for club? I don't think so.
7. Former generations were always the guy. Cool. When the previous group came back to MLS, the USMNT didn't qualify for the World Cup even though they were all the guys on their teams. You're gonna need to explain why that was in order to make that argument for the future.
8. You would've brought Long, Roldan and Zimmerman? Do you HONESTLY think those players are better quality and put us in a better spot to win than fucking Malik Tillman (who didn't even play), Gio Reyna (who you said is the 2nd most talented player in this pool), McKennie, Johnny (who had an amazing half season at Real Betis), Chris Richards, Tim Ream? If you do, I don't know what to fucking tell you.
9. I don't understand why you think we are toxic when Long and biased towards Richards and CCV when they make mistakes. If you would unblock me on Twitter, or read my comments and respond to me instead of hiding, you would know that I was not happy AT ALL with either of their performances. But that doesn't mean Long and Zimmerman would be better.
10. I think a new coach is going to come in and not play players if they're not starting for clubs. Are you implying he'll turn to MLS players? That's not how this works. Players like Reyna would be more likely in a situation like that to find a club that will start him and figure his shit out. We agree players should be playing for clubs. But the problem is that Gregg Berhalter doesn't give incentive to make that happen. He plays the players anyway instead of sitting down and caring about their future. A disciplinarian coach still wants the best for their pool and will push them to be their best selves.
Nice arguments!
@@LuisBlancoAustin thanks
1.Win with 10 men vs Guatemala, in Qualifiers.
2. Not lose less men like example: draw with mexico, at Aztec 1997. Italy at the World Cup 2006.
If we had the same squad from the 2021 Gold Cup. We would have made it out of the group in my view. So much bias against MLS for real.
😂😂😂😂
The player pool can’t change, hate to break it to you.
GGG should resign, but he’s too much of a coward.
Maybe we should have a new coach? Why is that even a question?
Canada has 13 MLS Players..and to your awesome point...u GOT to have players on your team that are playing throughout their year/club team.
I'm w you on the team being soft.
Berhalter got to go.
The American coach in Germany..he's American....he played defense Mattrazzo
Bare minimum isn’t good enough that what people been saying , but y’all was saying it was fine
What do expect, we aren’t that good
Dave Sarachan start it "youth movement"!
Juve finished second or third in Serie A. Is that a bad year?
Little experience?? Aren't most of these guys veterans of a world cup, multiple Nations leagues and Gold Cups?? Are they young? yes, but these boys are not inexperienced. In my opinion, their talent is over hyped and Gregg Berhalter is a very bad coach.
Hard pass on bringing back the mls scrubs…just a new coach
To say that you’re delusional for saying that you prefer Long over Richards is an understatement.
So we needed Auston Trusty.... maybe
NO.... NOT THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE
nice camouflage shirt..
Yeah…that’s it for me. Clicking off after hearing Long and Roldan. You gotta be trolling 💀
Interesting that Jesse Marsch led Canada to Gold Cup Semis, 2 months ago as CBS pundit said he would have brought in Long to Nations League roster. You don't have to hear it from me, how bout the hottest Coach in CONCACAF. Come back again any time.
@@cubanhammer pretty sure he was talking about Long for the Olympics. And second of all, Jesse is still not a good coach. Sure he is way better than Gregg, but that’s not saying much.
And not to discredit what Marsch has done so far, but the best team he’s beaten is Venezuela on penalties. Jesse‘s true colors will shine through eventually and Canada will come back down to earth.
We saw Roldan and Long in the Gold Cup last summer. They were both horrible. Long got benched after the first game because he was so bad. He’s not even a good MLS centerback anymore.
Keep those checks coming from MLS Max!
I know certain MLS players like Jordan Morris have become a meme to USMNT fans. However one advantage MLS gives us is we have players in mid-season form. The whole USA squad was on their off-season and I guarantee you GGG enabled the weak mentality to permeate thru the camp. I guarantee you a couple of MLS guys brought in to camp simply to kick the shit out of guys dogging it in training would eliminate our careless approach to this tournamant. It doesnt take an insider to recognize Weston McKinnie didnt give a shit about this tournament. CCV shouldnt get a free pass to the national team because he plays for Celtic. Celtic are a fucking joke nowadays and they play maybe 2 meaningful games a year. Pepi content with riding pine in Holland shouldnt be rewarded.
We have no signature wins under GGG. We never threatened Uruguay who didn’t need the win. This 1-1 tie nonsense during the game. Enough. He has to go.
MLS player wouldn’t do a thing in this tournament. Do not manufacture arguments now.
Hindsight 20/20, but there is evidence on my side. Bringing in all the European talent, even ones that are not playing.. Did not work..
@@cubanhammer MLS/Europe debate is long gone.. Major problem is Berhalter and player relationships, they are too casual and easygoing as Tim Ream talked about training intensity: Berhalter can’t push this player enough, he has to go now.
@@maxmaxie1328Your comment looks like a manufactured argument.
How Gregg still employed
QUOTE; "When ya WIN...it's the Players" and "When ya Lose...it's the Coach". VIGH
If we (USMNT) doesn't go all out for a high profile coach , it dhows their ambitions for the world cup. Its rhe most important event, go all out. Cant aim for stars with a paper plane( berhalter)
Agree its on players also but majority on coach. Regardless of red card, we should have won against Panama. How does Panama and other central American countries punch above their weight and we cant. All on coach.
Truth is our player pool is crap compared to most European and South American sides
What may be a "golden generation" to the USA would make a mediocre side in the UK championship
Carlton gonna win a flag this season.
Even Weston McKennie is fat and falling out of favor at Juventus, who recesigned 2 new midfielders.
I guess the 2022 wasn’t experience
Was a little different of a team than we have in 2024. Those small details the difference in making out of a group and not. That's kind of why I made video. Thanks for checking us out
For the millionth time!!! Our PLUS ATHLETES DO NOT PLAY SOCCER!! No other country of our size would ever deal with the issue of “NO TALENT”! Our best athletes make 100’s of millions in f dollars playing Americas big three sports. So funny how its the coach!
Please for FU$&S sake tell the truth!
You know what, I think you touch a point not many people realized. Everyone is caught up in how bad Berhalter is and how his line up affected negatively the USMNT performance but in reality is just one aspect of the failure.
Honestly we all have failed into the false premise that as long as we get European based players we are good.
In reality how good is that our entire line up plays in Europe but don’t get significant meaningful minutes?
Turner and Horwath would have been a lot more sharp if they were playing here in MLS than sitting on the bench in Europe.
I guess there is a reason why Pepi and Reyna can’t get minutes in their respective clubs. Also, why is it Reyna is entitled as starter in the National Team? Against Bolivia he was non existent and was against the worst weakest team in the tournament.
Klopp, Mourinho or any top European coach would have NOT play Gio or Weah because they are not getting minutes and in good competitions like Copa America it shows.
Gregg Should go but players shouldn’t get a pass either.
If we are really think ourselves as a serious soccer nation we should hold coaches, players and the Federation accountable. Fans also, we can’t tell and scream how backwards we are compared to Europe and demand high paying coaches while our USMNT plays away in our own country. 🤌🤌🤌
INDIVIDUALLY, the USMNT is composed of the most talented players the US has ever produced. That's just a fact. Technically and athletically speaking...they ARE. They've been coached to be soft. They play soft. When adversity hits, they aren't capable of over-coming it. They need to grow the fuck up! They play for European clubs for crying out loud! Maybe this is why many of them are bench riding over there?
Who is we? I'll wait ... entitled selected via nepotism has destroyed the talent pool. That is not going to change...😅😅😅😅😅
Who hasn't been making 18 man rosters? Quit making crap up.
And we’re back to Max bretos takes. Brain dead level.
Shaq Moore is experienced?
max, you know, i know, get gg out, FIND HUGE MONEY, FOR A HUGE NAME, EVEN IF FOR 18 MONTHS, FOR THE WC