How To Make A Lab Kiln - The Heating Coils

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  • @mgfittipaldi
    @mgfittipaldi 4 роки тому +14

    How could anyone be bored with any of your videos?

  • @jamescunliffe9872
    @jamescunliffe9872 4 роки тому +26

    I'd watch for an hour:) that's the neatest coil I think I've seen!

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому +1

      awesome mate - and I have made a few - you get better with practice lol

  • @The411
    @The411 4 роки тому +22

    Double up your straight resistance wire at the ends and twist it. This lowers the resistance at the ends and stops the wire glowing on the outside of your kiln near your electronics.

    • @alexanderfl-ts3171
      @alexanderfl-ts3171 4 роки тому

      They not supposed to glow. They will be hot, but not red hot.
      The higher temperature of the conductor - the higher its resistance, coil heating faster because each of its turns heat itself and 2 neighbour turns + it is insulated with brick from 3 sides, so coiled part of the wire will heat faster, it would have higher resistance and because of higher resistance will generate more heat, while straight ends of the wire outside will stabilize at some 300-400C. This is common thing when straight ends of the heating coil not glowing, but the coil already yellow hot.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      you can do mate - but there is no real need

    • @BinaryClay
      @BinaryClay 3 роки тому +3

      @@ThinkingandTinkering In professional kilns the heating elements always have twisted(double) wires at the ends. This is also to avoid breaking the brittle threads when doing maintenance

    • @scottwillis5434
      @scottwillis5434 2 роки тому +1

      Seems easy to do, and reduces the heat at the wire connections and near the electronics.

  • @grahamh4960
    @grahamh4960 4 роки тому +4

    The knowledge gained from these public videos is enormous. I don't mind plugging Robert's worth when paying a very small monthly fee for the extra content, well worth it! About time, after all these years, that Robert is earning from his abundant knowledge and skills that he shares with us so fluently.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      thank you mate for taking the time to say so and it is well appreciated

  • @thornhedge9639
    @thornhedge9639 4 роки тому

    Robert, Robert:; you crack me up man! Considering most people have the attention span of a goldfish, are you really surprised they don't watch lengthy videos? I wouldn't miss a moment of your videos, they're priceless; both for the instructive content and just the lift I get from your obvious passion for creativity and sharing your enthusiasm with us... Brilliant work thanks for this instruction Robert....................Tim

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      cheers mate - thanks for the support and for taking the time to write

  • @harrybond007
    @harrybond007 4 роки тому +4

    There is huge confusion in the USA as to what the mains voltage is, it is 120V +/- 6%, and has been since 1967, not 110, 115 118 125 or 130 etc, the confusion arises because of how the grid evolved and was stitched together over 100 years, compounded by the fact that some appliance manufacturers still printed the wrong voltage the things they made for many decades after 1967. At my house I get 119.7V

    • @adamnetterville5673
      @adamnetterville5673 4 роки тому +2

      127V at the UPS input at my knee. Nuclear power station about 5 hours away, so we get the high line. Most north American appliances will actually be getting angry with 110v.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      it's why you put a lot of safety in mate I added 20% as a margin - that's quite a lot lol

    • @CraigLandsberg-lk1ep
      @CraigLandsberg-lk1ep 7 місяців тому

      +6% is 125-6 or 7😅

  • @chrisshaw7328
    @chrisshaw7328 2 роки тому

    Really do appreciate these build videos, UA-cam may well be awash with "how-to guides" and diy tutorials but by and large they're made by people who understand their craft but not the art of teaching it to others of no experience. These vids are like WYSIWYG in Laymans terms... Now thats how you teach... Kudos

  • @mr.cantsay
    @mr.cantsay 2 роки тому

    This Chanel is such a perfect resource for me thank you very much for several years now.

  • @ChannonWW2214
    @ChannonWW2214 3 роки тому

    Videos are not too long cuz there's so much information packed into it, great project. Let's see the finished project soon..

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  3 роки тому

      it is a finished project mate - the whole project is on video and on the channel

  • @aminus6892
    @aminus6892 3 роки тому

    I really like your videos, I appreciate all the knowledge U provide, you're awesome & a great instructor. Sometimes U speak of how much $ U spent on certain projects, but I often wonder (& end up googling) how quid compare to U.S. dollars...lol.

  • @garethb5729
    @garethb5729 4 роки тому +9

    Keep up the amazing work. Your channel is amazing. Thank you.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      awesome mate - thank you for taking the time to say so

    • @garethb5729
      @garethb5729 4 роки тому

      @@ThinkingandTinkering you're welcome Robert. Credit where credit is due.
      If i may bother you,
      Do you have any videos of silicon carbide doping for semiconductors?
      I wonder how big and flexible they can be.

  • @richardcreese
    @richardcreese 4 роки тому +1

    You sir, are an artist. ( Spotted the chuck key in the background of another video and I did wonder )

  • @TheAprone
    @TheAprone 4 роки тому

    While it's probably true that some people would not watch an hour long video, I definitely would! Splitting this up into multiple videos is probably easier on you, so go with whatever works best for you good sir. We're just happy to watch each new thing you upload.

  • @davidsmall7452
    @davidsmall7452 2 роки тому

    Small detail but it is worth making some small squares with the ceramic fibre and cut a slot in the fibre and use it to surround the tails at the back of the kiln to block the hole where the tails come through,Also push some fibre through the hole to block the heat and fumes coming through from the kiln chamber .It saves energy but the main thing is to save the connectors from seizing up,.which can make repairs difficult.

  • @snakeplisskinable
    @snakeplisskinable 11 місяців тому

    You are a total legend chap, I have been eyeing up a kiln which needs an overhaul and your vids are amazing.

  • @jamesharris5158
    @jamesharris5158 4 роки тому +1

    As others have said, many thanks for a great video. Think anything like this could comfortably be 30 minutes if you're expecting people to sit and watch in a single viewing or an hour if you're expecting people to pause it at various points to take notes.
    I mentioned on an earlier video about doing some wind turbine experiments, I've had a bit of a setback in the form of an argument with an eBay seller over electrical ratings. Expect a ranting video from me over the coming days as I tear into the seller if they don't offer me an acceptable solution... Once it's resolved one way or other, I'll get the thing up on a pole and take some measurements, really inspired by a lot of the recent videos on this channel as I work through my own alternative power system. Thanks again Robert, keep up the great work.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      yeah I have been having trouble with eBay sellers recently I am trying to get the stuff together for a flash graphene experiment - it has proved a nightmare and I have no idea why - so - good luck with it mate and cheers

  • @matakaw4287
    @matakaw4287 4 роки тому

    Once your project is completed it would be funny to see you bake a loaf of bread in it. Great video, looking forward to the next. Cheers.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      lol - cheers mate - I am probably going to make some gCN in it

    • @matakaw4287
      @matakaw4287 4 роки тому

      @@ThinkingandTinkering I have no idea what gCN is..

  • @CCoburn3
    @CCoburn3 2 роки тому

    I have an old kiln with good bricks, This is a great video for me.

  • @chuckdank3869
    @chuckdank3869 4 роки тому

    Honestly Rob, you could do 8 hrs of livestream from the lab and you would have an avid audience. You'd just need someone to insert interesting content for bathroom breaks, like what's in your store! I'd tune in for those Eureka!! moments for sure. Crank up some tunes, whistle or think out loud as you do. Imagine the compilation videos of wisdom and laughter! Cheers & be well.

  • @grokstone
    @grokstone 4 роки тому

    Again Robert, I enjoy your videos so much. As an Aviation maintenance technician, I find your videos the best on the internet. As a teacher of Aeronautical Sciences, I can say that you have taught me so much. Please never stop! Your approach and choices of subject matter is really fascinating. I share your results with my student.
    Thanks again!
    Mark

  • @tebbi67
    @tebbi67 4 роки тому

    Top again today, by the way.... the solid state relays have a zero-pass detector and a softstart built in.
    Thank you for creating this wonderful kind of further education.

  • @SteveEh
    @SteveEh 4 роки тому +3

    Great stuff, awesome tip on looking for a broken kiln. Found a big one local with broken electrics for cheap with great bricks!
    I see coil winding in my future

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому +1

      it's what I did mate and to be honest I don't worry about doing weird and wonderful things - I have broken that kiln I showed you 3 times already - but as I can rewire it it was no real worry to me - if you have paid thousands and need hundreds to repair it - you do ten to be a bit more careful and worried lol

    • @edwardcrocombe3901
      @edwardcrocombe3901 4 роки тому

      In

  • @themeek351
    @themeek351 4 роки тому

    I nearly watch or listen to you for hours a day while I do my thing anyway! Your like background noise that I learn from! So , the optimal video length for me would be an 8 hour live stream, lol!!!

  • @AntCooke
    @AntCooke 4 роки тому +1

    That coil turned out nice 👍

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      cheers mate - I have made a few and you do get better with practice lol

  • @hughrock110
    @hughrock110 2 роки тому

    Holy sh*t, taking physics in undergrad as a biochem major I never thought I would ever use any of it. Granted I don't for grad school, but hearing about resisters in parrallel and series, as well as V=IR has got me so excited to make a kiln. Finally, I can say some of that awful awful math was useful to me!

  • @Killianwsh
    @Killianwsh 4 роки тому

    Great stuff Rob. Your winding of the coils reminded me of learning to make chain mail years back. Seems like I coiled up miles around a bit of bent rod stock, for a manual crank handle, jammed through two holes drilled through an old .50 cal. ammo box used to catch the links. Fun memories, though I'll wager your coils will be far more useful for modern purpose than my chain mail hauberk was! :)

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      lol - I don't know mate - the chain mail sounds awesome

    • @Killianwsh
      @Killianwsh 4 роки тому

      Well lol - It's a great way to get some fantastic repetitive circular pattern bruises when fighting in it at the S.C.A. (and looking cool at parties..;) outside of those two (and perhaps as a survival suit when giving the cat a bath) I haven't really found much use for it. Your kiln on the other hand...I can see lots of uses for. :)

  • @kevidig5676
    @kevidig5676 4 роки тому +3

    Great job and info, looking forward to part 3

  • @phillhalliwell
    @phillhalliwell 4 роки тому

    Thanks for the video. I've had an old kiln in the attic that couldn't be repaired by the manufacturer (they no longer make the parts). Now I can do it. Thanks

  • @victoryfirst2878
    @victoryfirst2878 4 роки тому

    I like the way you wound the coil. Easy peasey for sure. Keep up the great work fella. Peace too. VF

  • @camrynhunter6969
    @camrynhunter6969 2 роки тому

    Awesome always enjoy your videos. Thanks for just' simplifying '

  • @williammiller6043
    @williammiller6043 5 місяців тому

    Thanks!

  • @scottwillis5434
    @scottwillis5434 2 роки тому

    Love the video! I appreciate you filling in the details such as the heating element connections. Very clear explanation and audio (and thank you for leaving out the bloody loud background music)!
    BTW heat is bad for electronics, especially power electronics. Relocating the SSRs (Solid State Relays) away from anything that is hot enough to glow during operation, preferably mounted on a heat sink (strip of 1.5mm or thicker aluminum at least) and maybe even with a cooling fan, seems good.
    There is inductance in the coils, however the reactance is proportional to frequency; at a 60Hz AC line frequency the reactance is negligible. If this was running at, say, 1MHz or above it would matter.
    A fuse in the plug may eventually blow, because it'll run a bit warm; may want to have a spare on hand.
    BTW at 11:20, I think you meant the bar was 1.2 cm (not mm).

  • @lorenwilson8128
    @lorenwilson8128 4 роки тому

    I love your approach. Just a thought on sizing the heater coil. A more important factor is how hot you want the wire to get. Your calculation in the video is for the minimum length (maximum amperage). You probably need half of that, which reduces the temperature of the wire and extends its longevity. The wire has a life versus temperature curve. What you need is the heat loss versus temperature, easily calculated for that geometry and thermal conductivity of the fire brick. That establishes your minimum power required, from which you can then determine the required amperage and resistance. Compare this to the power available, and hopefully you can pick a point between these two limits - minimum power required versus maximum power available. Lower power also means your controller has an easier time staying on temperature.

  • @GGMCUKAGAIN
    @GGMCUKAGAIN 2 роки тому

    Thanks for the easy to follow video! Out of interest i'm not here to make a kiln but i have learned exactly what i needed. I'm making a home made vacuum former using kiln wire as my heating element :)

  • @bdubs2437
    @bdubs2437 3 роки тому

    Fantastic video, you are a true inspiration !!!

  • @Firas95k
    @Firas95k 4 роки тому

    I don't mind the long videos, great job as always

  • @larryyounger8674
    @larryyounger8674 4 роки тому

    Great video. Not boring at all. I have a box of heating coils and various ceramic insulators. Watching this video gave me some thoughts to experiment with. Have looked for firebrick locally but could not find any but that was some time ago. Thank You for all you do to get knowledge out there.

    • @m3sca1
      @m3sca1 4 роки тому

      Get on your local gumtree or such and search for old kilns😉

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      cheers mate - I do worry about that lol

  • @googacct
    @googacct 4 роки тому

    One channel I like to watch, Shadon HKW, recently did a video on how he makes coils for kilns that he builds for sale. He included several interesting tips. One tip that was mentioned was to double and twist the ends of the wire together to reduce the resistance and heat until the wire is actually in the kiln. That saves having red hot wires outside the kiln and going into the relay.

  • @sarchlalaith8836
    @sarchlalaith8836 4 роки тому

    I'm always happy to gain new knowledge

  • @2Langdon
    @2Langdon 4 роки тому

    Brilliant! Thanks so much - now I understand a simple kiln, can make or repair one and do a load of things I've always wanted to do with one.

  • @AlTofanelli
    @AlTofanelli 4 роки тому +5

    Thanks for making it so simple!

  • @m3sca1
    @m3sca1 4 роки тому

    Looking forward to the setup of the PID! I have all the parts to put this together (boxed up when I moved house). It's great information. Thank you.

  • @Lukas-oh8qm
    @Lukas-oh8qm 3 роки тому

    I agree with other comments. It's been a long held media assumption that people want "short and sharp". But that's proved to be false, taking for example the world's most popular podcast, Joe Rogan who's episodes regularly exceed 3 hours! I think the type of people watching your videos, myself included, are the type who are genuinely interested in what you have to say - all of it. You're clearly someone with an incredibly broad and advanced knowledge base, and me, like many relish in the opportunity to learn from what you have to share. Please, never let time be an issue, let the quality and content of what your sharing determine the time and not vice versa.

  • @RosaStringWorks
    @RosaStringWorks 4 роки тому

    Absolutely awesome. Thank you so much for this video it's great. I wish it was longer.

  • @kreynolds1123
    @kreynolds1123 2 роки тому

    For better acuracy and clarity, a heating coil isn't just pure resistance. Every alternating current carrying conductor including heating coils have inductive reactance. Although, the relativly few turns and long length of coil and lack of a high magnetic permeability core (compared to an electromagnet) means you can practically ignore the low inductive reactance in an electric heating coil.

  • @MrTubeuser12
    @MrTubeuser12 4 роки тому

    for some reason, when you mentioned coils in the first video, I was under the impression this would be an inductance heating kiln, using strong magnetic fields to melt stuff, but this way is good too, and probably simpler. nice video, keep it up :)

  • @davidsmall7452
    @davidsmall7452 2 роки тому

    Kilns made before 1976 often used asbestos so if buying a very old kiln it might be a good idea to get to know what asbestos board looks like and other forms of asbestos.If you don't mind working with asbestos you might be able to charge the would be seller for removing the kiln.

  • @ianbutler1983
    @ianbutler1983 3 роки тому

    I think Robert might be surprised at how many of us would watch an hour-long video.

  • @AntCooke
    @AntCooke 4 роки тому +5

    Excellent! I’ve been waiting this 😀

  • @AltMarc
    @AltMarc 4 роки тому

    Make your coil ending a bit longer, bend them back to the coil and twist them, so you have double wires going into the heating chamber. It spread the current, lowering the temperature on the outside wiring and keep the wire colder when going through the holes (which cannot dissipate the heat, leading to a failure point).

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      Thanks for the tip mate - but you really don't need to bother - I have used this arrangement in my big kiln for four years and had no issues

  • @bobbylong2202
    @bobbylong2202 2 роки тому

    Awesome I need to build one and this really helps thanks mate

  • @alibabaneue-welt9602
    @alibabaneue-welt9602 4 роки тому +1

    Great job ! 👍👍👍

  • @NeoShameMan
    @NeoShameMan 4 роки тому

    I was looking at the *flash graphene* stuff, I was waiting for more news to leak as I cannot access the paper, turns out your video with water welding machine prove it can be possible lol and your lab kiln is the remaining hints!
    - the main requirement is temperature above 2000°c celsius in an instant, typical electric arc can reach up to 6000°c I found out, graphite rod melt at 3600°c, so this requirement is easy to obtain
    - there is unspecified amount of pressure applied (so far)
    - the material of the electrode is unspecified
    - quartz casing is mention, but quartz melt at below the required temperature, I think it's protected by the speed of the reaction, I wonder what other material would be used and not react.
    Sound like a kitchen experiment to me lol

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому +1

      I have looked at it - still waiting for parts - I have ordered twice and had the orders refunded - I am guessing cover screw up - but I will get round to it sooner or later

  • @skyedangelo3237
    @skyedangelo3237 4 роки тому +2

    Curious about the effect the diameter of the coil has on the temp of the coil. You determined the size of your coil based on the size of your channel but I read somewhere in an old pdf that the Diameter of the coil affects the performance. My question is how? smaller coil = hotter element? Anyone know this relationship?

  • @basselq
    @basselq 4 роки тому

    i'm thinking maybe u can use ur ink to make a new type of kiln
    i guess this method can reduce the size of the kiln to only the size of the the cup that is holding the material u want to heat
    another idea
    same ink can be applied to clay pot then put inside a microwave
    i've seen someone do that on youtube i dont remember why guess it was a pottery application for his ink and it got out glowing red
    sorry if those ideas were already applied or thought of by you, i still havent got through all ur so much valuable videos
    wish i could replicate each and every thing u share but its really really hard to get the materials
    for now i'm still trying to find ammonium chloride or even ammonia to try make a graphene from sugar and that i will replace the kiln if i get ammonium chloride with good old fire and i will try the pipe fitting trick for that "i'll make sure to keep it a lil bit loose for air to escape "
    thanks again for all the knowledge u share
    cheers

  • @lesthompson5907
    @lesthompson5907 2 роки тому +1

    what material is the cols mad out of & where do we get it from? les Thompson It not a suggest I have much do with kiln thank you tip of weir is it stables?

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  2 роки тому

      it's nichrome wire - eBay or amazon have it but there are kin shops that sell it too - a google search for kiln wire will turn it up

  • @charlamaignebutt586
    @charlamaignebutt586 4 роки тому +2

    These cheap, Chinese ssr 's need to be well under rated I've found. Instead of,say, a back to back pair of thyristors on a thick, copper base they are usually one triac on a piece of aluminium with an over long screw which often protrudes and affects heat transfer to a heatsink.
    They are not 50 quid like, say a Croydon from RS, but you get what you pay for and I've found it means you pay more than once!
    Might be a topic for discussion re under rating and filing the base ?
    Enjoying the vids.

    • @AtlasReburdened
      @AtlasReburdened 4 роки тому +1

      I derate Chinese parts by 2/3 generally. Some still get me.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      yeah they do blow but it is a piece of cake to change them out - I have had them in the large kiln for over 2 years now - so when they blow it is a nuisance but only a nuisance not a nightmare

    • @charlamaignebutt586
      @charlamaignebutt586 4 роки тому +1

      @@AtlasReburdened I would use 1/4 and still expect trouble.

    • @charlamaignebutt586
      @charlamaignebutt586 4 роки тому

      @@ThinkingandTinkering I've had 2 years out of one too, suitably under run ( and safety fused, as they can often fail short circuit mode!) but I get 30 years from an Internation Rectifier or similar propper SSR I might have 'found' in a works parts bin.
      But obviously the cost isn't justified for a small, home kiln like this for most people.

  • @stevea5407
    @stevea5407 4 роки тому +1

    Great project thanks for sharing.

  • @DeliciousDeBlair
    @DeliciousDeBlair 4 роки тому +1

    If you can immerse your kiln in an inert gas [or devise a way to fill it with the inert gas] you can greatly extend the life of the coils, as well as prevent the atmosphere from reacting with the items one is firing or heat treating.
    That said, I do not say it is anything easy, so its fairly impractical, unless you have a way to put a relatively gas tight box around the kiln which you can close up when you are closing up the kiln so that you can flood the kiln with argon or some other inert gas
    I fully recognize that for most people, this is not necessarily worth the price or the effort, so its more of just a 'point aside' for the really nerdy nerds, especially people like me, who would actually add nitrogen for the express purpose of nitriding metals.
    When heat treating a piece of metal, to me, it is a real pain to have to deal with destructive oxidization [scale] which can ruin the surface value of an item [such as a pricey, fancy knife or sword].

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      it doesn't need to be gas tight you just need to match the flow rate with the loss rate - but you are right it is much more than folks need for most of the time lol

  • @columjevens4612
    @columjevens4612 4 роки тому

    Thanks for such great information , enjoying all your videos 👍

  • @llamatrails2
    @llamatrails2 4 роки тому

    Great series on kiln building. Any reason not to use a electric stove top spiral heating element in a kiln instead of using nichrome wire?

  • @bobvincent5921
    @bobvincent5921 4 роки тому

    Thanks. Just thought if you have a small furnace you could make use of your mwave transformer secondary with really thick wire elements and a bonus of mains isolation!

  • @dannytierney5568
    @dannytierney5568 4 роки тому

    Hi many thanks for all the information and easy build instructions. I can source insulating fire brick, cement and ceramic blanket from Vitcas UK but I'm struggling to source 1.2mm 1.72 ohm resistence wire ? non on e-bay or amazon and can't find it via google, any sugestions ?
    Thanks for your time. Danny

  • @donjayamaha6174
    @donjayamaha6174 3 роки тому +1

    What's the gauge of the Nicrom wire and do you have a wiring diagram for this

  • @stevetobias4890
    @stevetobias4890 4 роки тому +6

    When using coils in parallel you need to make sure their ohms are the same or one will draw more than the other.
    Also what type of wire are you using, stainless, titanium or something else?
    One last question, do you use a thermostat in the kiln or is that something you have not got to yet. I only ask because I don't remember you drilling a hole for one.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому +3

      for sure mate on the resistors in parallel - I am using Kanthal and I will be using a K type thermocouple with a PID controller

    • @scottwillis5434
      @scottwillis5434 2 роки тому

      Making them balanced makes sense if you want equal amounts of heat in each. Making them exactly balanced is not be a strict requirement, if it makes sense to put more heat into one area than another. However the lower resistance coil, if otherwise identical, is going to get hotter and have a shorter life.

  • @a0cdhd
    @a0cdhd 4 роки тому

    Most interesting. Your video has just galvanised me into doing what I have been thinking of doing for quite a while now and that is, building an electric kiln. So, would you be using Kanthal or Nicrome wire for your heater elements. The reason I ask is because I believe that I had read somewhere that Kanthal has a lesser tendency to spall / oxidise / or otherwise fail due to moisture, thermal shock etc etc. I could be wrong of course...

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому +1

      I use Kanthal mate - it gives a good life - not forever obviously - but good

  • @jasonwitt8619
    @jasonwitt8619 4 роки тому

    Thank you mate for going into such detail on how to wire up a kiln, Of course I do live in the US and I'm glad you mentioned the gauge wire needed. So would the same relay switch work in the US, I'm assuming it would being that the volts were lower than 110 volt? Again, Thanks mate.

    • @jasonwitt8619
      @jasonwitt8619 4 роки тому

      As for the video, it was not even close to being long enough. Oh and LOL, my wife listens to you as I am watching the video, she said she loves the way you talk. She said he has a bit of a story telling voice doesn't he, wouldn't it be nice to just sit back and listen to him talk for hours. See mate, your videos are not even close to long enough, lol

    • @jasonwitt8619
      @jasonwitt8619 4 роки тому

      Hey, it might be an idea to have another channel that does bed time stories. Kind of like reading about Tesla and other electronic inventors, that would be awesome. She could fall asleep but my eyes would be wide open on the topics and you could even do them kind of like discovery channel or history channel does, LOL

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому +1

      lol

  • @michelbisson6645
    @michelbisson6645 2 роки тому

    These are cool are there ceramic element who could be more efficient?

  • @AdricM
    @AdricM 4 роки тому

    awesome, ive been looking for screw connectors to interface power to some heater coils as i am rebuilding a small jewelry vacuum atmosphere kiln. found some bannaa plug connects in the back of the vacuum chamber are for the power, got a good k type sensor and controller, sadly im going to have to so the kaowool and waterglass direction for the insulation, because its round and odd sized.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      that is a shame because it will limit your temp - but as long as you hold it down below 800 or so it'll be fine

  • @phbrinsden
    @phbrinsden 4 роки тому +2

    Great stuff. New subscriber.

  • @robinfielding9506
    @robinfielding9506 4 роки тому

    Really love your videos 😀

  • @davidcaldwell1406
    @davidcaldwell1406 3 роки тому

    Could you please list the info on the PID controls, thermocouple and the solid start relay.

  • @tiaan_va
    @tiaan_va 10 місяців тому

    Would it be possible to share a link to the resistance wire you used in this video? Thickness of wire obviously affects resistance but how does it affect what temperature it can handle? Do thinner wires break faster under prolonged heat?

  • @PressToDigitate
    @PressToDigitate 4 роки тому

    When finished, I'd love to watch you use your $50 Kiln to turn $5 worth of Granular Urea into $500 worth of [Iodized] graphitic Carbon Nitride...It wont take much of that doing to really make the whole project worthwhile. Then, try that material on cheap commercial GoreTex, for comparison to standard Platinum/Nafion for PEM Fuel Cell and Electrolyzer applications. Being perhaps two Orders-of-Magnitude cheaper, it doesn't have to be quite as good to have profound applications. The reason for pursuing that is that both the gCN and the IgCN Impregnated GoreTex would be very easy, high-margin materials for FWG to make and add to your store, along with the Conductive Inks. If you can manage to get the IgCN/GoreTex even in the ballpark with Platinum/Nafion in terms of performance (as some papers have suggested), it could be your biggest impact on Batteries, SuperCaps, Fuel Cells or Electrolyzers of all.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      That's a good idea mate cheers and I have made gCN before - even made a video on it

    • @PressToDigitate
      @PressToDigitate 4 роки тому

      @@ThinkingandTinkering I know, that's what intrigued me to look it up and see the hidden potential its got. When I priced the Urea @ $200/Tonne vs the gCN @ $200/Kg, the difference floored me! Then I saw that paper about Iodizing it into nanoplatelets with a simple ball mill, and, Wow!

  • @hanslhansl
    @hanslhansl 4 роки тому

    Awesome project. I am wondering were you get these wonderful materials from. Coincidentally i am working on a kiln just like yours but it took me ages to find such fire bricks and even though i got them now i can't start with the building because i can't get hold of a resistive heating wire. Where do you get the wire from? Is it sold commonly where you live? In Austria, where I am, it seems like it isn't sold on the public market. I have to contact companys which produce these items on an industrial level. Do you have any tips for me on how to get such a wire?

  • @deandeansalot4975
    @deandeansalot4975 4 роки тому

    great video! is there a reason I shouldn't use frax fiber board instead of those heavy firebricks? it seems a hell of a lot lighter. thank you!!

    • @a0cdhd
      @a0cdhd 3 роки тому

      Generally speaking, small DIY kilns use silica fire bricks for the walls and roof of the oven and a more dense and harder fire brick for the floor. Silica bricks are very light and easy to cut and channel with an ordinary hacksaw. Different story for the heavier floor. I would use a diamond or ceramic cutting disk in an angle grinder for that. I am not a safety nazi but inhaling silica particles can lead to silicosis.... Bad way to go. Use a respirator or if you have a problem with that, keep the silica bricks wet when you cut them.

  • @shazzz_land
    @shazzz_land 2 роки тому

    you can weld the bricks? or what do you mean by welding everything? minute 2:30+. for what would you need to weld other then the case and the case for the display and what else is there?

  • @thetourk
    @thetourk 2 роки тому

    I hadn't noticed it being long, onto the next

  • @benwarmerdam1745
    @benwarmerdam1745 4 роки тому

    Do the coils need to be protected in some way to prevent accidental touching of them when they are live? Would it not be quite easy to get an electric shock if you accidentally touch the coils when putting something in or out of the kiln?

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      mate - this is a kiln like every other kiln - it works like every other kiln - if you don't know how to use a kiln safely, learn that first - you would burn your hand (if you loaded it while it was on - why would you do that?) long before you got a shock

  • @waynoswaynos
    @waynoswaynos 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks Robert. I wish I had seen this video about 2 years ago when I began designing and making my own small kilns and foundries. A problem that has been a regular cause of failure is the elements falling out of the channel, touching something I am heating, invariably becoming a fluxing material for the Nichrome or Alchrome wire and melting my elements. So, will you include some staples or similar fastenings to stop the element from flopping out when it gets beyond 1000˚C? Usually happens to me after a few heat cycles.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому +1

      I cut my channel quite deep with c cross section mate - to be honest I have never had that problem

    • @davidsmall7452
      @davidsmall7452 2 роки тому

      Kiln brick is very soft so you could just use some 25 mm threaded rod to grind a trough to hold the elements.

  • @asherajja4206
    @asherajja4206 4 роки тому

    I'm planning on building a small kiln for borosilicate glass annealing and I already have a bunch of copper for the heating coils. Is there a reason I don't want to use copper? If not what do I need to use?

  • @hoverhead047
    @hoverhead047 4 роки тому

    WOW, a safety switch inside a lathe chuck. What will they think of next?

  • @shazzz_land
    @shazzz_land 2 роки тому

    what is a cooker socket/shower socket? it's rated by default to higher amp draw? do you use a "special" socket for your refurbished kiln?
    suposedly the answers are yes ... and i don't have a higher rated socket, what i would need to do is mount a higher load fuse to the panel of the house for the circuite i want to use?

  • @jamest.5001
    @jamest.5001 4 роки тому +1

    You kiln me!
    Awsome video, electric kiln. What about a gas version?

  • @MrMarsBlades
    @MrMarsBlades 4 роки тому

    Just came across this build, thanks Rob.
    I'm planning to build an electric kiln for knife making & finding it immensely difficult to find out how much wire to use & size etc...
    I must be a bit of a dummy I guess but as clear as your video is…for most people if find the info confusing, online calculators etc...don’t help either, maybe someone can help.
    My kiln is very small internal is about 200x200x400.
    I need it to get to 1100c for heat treating stainless steel.
    What size circuit breaker do I need?
    Whats the best size Kanthal wire to use?
    What diameter & length should I coil the wire at?
    Can anyone help?

  • @sfco1299
    @sfco1299 7 місяців тому

    Hi Rob! Any tips on where your resistance wire came from? I'm after rewiring a pottery kiln (small one, 12"cubed) on a 13A plug. Using the old elements I was able to reach 920 degrees C but the goal is ~1300C for stoneware firing. I've seen 'Kanthal A' seems to be popular but I can't seem to find any competitors, and yours looks like it might be something else, as Kanthal's resistance comes in lower per metre than yours. Any idea if your wire is rated as high as 1300C? I'd be grateful on any tips if you can share them.

  • @ELTABULLO
    @ELTABULLO 11 місяців тому

    When buying the wire, which would the be the more important bit, the diameter or the resistance? Cause I can find a 1.71 Ω per meter but it's .9 mm, the 1.2mm they carry is 0.96Ω.

  • @markhodgson2348
    @markhodgson2348 4 роки тому

    Great video

  • @SuperPeter05
    @SuperPeter05 Рік тому

    I can make a box and line the walls with fire brick.
    But can I just rip apart a electric heater, slap the electronics on the back and the coils inside ?

  • @alexwang982
    @alexwang982 4 місяці тому

    How did you attach the vertical pieces of angle iron? Is it screwed into the firebrick?

  • @AlanKirke
    @AlanKirke 4 роки тому

    Hey Robert I do also enjoy your vids.
    Question can we suggest topics if we join the membership.

  • @silverbushman
    @silverbushman Рік тому

    Building one now getting rdy cut coil ports in brick

  • @lisakingscott7729
    @lisakingscott7729 2 роки тому

    I know this is old but it looks pretty dangerous on 240 volts due to the exposed heater coils at mains voltage. I've seen many similar builds for 120 volts, which is not as bad.
    The most dangerous error someone could make would be withdrawing a very hot metal or graphite container and accidentally touching one of those coils.
    Options to make safer (admittedly max temperature may be reduced with some of them) would be:
    High temperature braid or ceramic tube over the heater coils.
    Protection grill over the coils preventing accidental touch.
    A door interlock, only allowing power when the door is closed.
    Enclosed heating elements, e.g. grill elements for electric ovens. These have the heating coils enclosed in an earthed metal tube with a mineral powder between the tube and element. Most of them can be re-bent to different shapes, alternatively unformed bendable elements are available off the shelf from various suppliers.
    I have been wondering about a quartz halogen infrared kiln. Similar to this, but use quartz halogen elements from an old infrared heater. I was thinking of putting them in quartz tubes to protect them from dirt and the rear of the quartz tubes could be silvered or otherwise coated to direct the infrared more inwards.
    The issue would be temperature control as the temperature of whatever is being heated could be much higher than the air temperature inside the kiln. It would also depend somewhat on its infrared absorptivity. An infrared thermometer or camera could be used, but a hole or window in the kiln would be needed. For automatic control something like an Arduino could be used connected to the infrared sensor.

    • @lisakingscott7729
      @lisakingscott7729 2 роки тому

      I just saw your next video with a door interlock switch on the heater elements!!!

  • @sarahorejda603
    @sarahorejda603 3 роки тому

    we would watch

  • @MarkSeve
    @MarkSeve 4 роки тому +1

    Cool. Uses for a kiln?

    • @adamnetterville5673
      @adamnetterville5673 4 роки тому +1

      Hilariously I'm literally making a fiber kiln at this very moment. Having Rob do a sanity check was nice. What CAN'T you use a kiln for. All kilns are also metal tempering machines/forges, you can remove or add temper to heat treatable metals. Carbon becomes graphite on command in a good kiln. All mud everywhere is essentially clay, dry it and fire it to make your own ceramic insulators or dope the ceramic to make your own ceramic elements. Melt down metals like aluminium with ease.
      While you shouldn't use things like fridges to store chemicals lots of people do and in my kilns case I'm making it wide and low so that I can toss a pizza stone in and also do pizza in it :D.

    • @twestgard2
      @twestgard2 4 роки тому +1

      Egads, beware of heavy metal toxins in a kiln and bake your food elsewhere. Other than that, yes, very useful list.

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      a million mate!

    • @MarkSeve
      @MarkSeve 4 роки тому +1

      @@ThinkingandTinkering Sooo....your next million videos on kiln uses. Gotcha. ;P

    • @adamnetterville5673
      @adamnetterville5673 4 роки тому

      @@twestgard2 Yes, you don't want to use it for things like food unless you know what's in the glazes are you have been using. Other than that there isn't a threat from those sorts of things. Think how hot a kiln gets, they vaporize things like heavy metals. Among those with large home kilns it's actually quite common to hear about turkeys and the like bing done in a kiln. Mine will fire only known mixes of stoneware and make large quantities of graphite from carbonized bread , so pizza in mine will be just fine.
      It is good advice through as several glazes are quote toxic before they become inert glass on the things we eat and drink from.

  • @jadealone
    @jadealone 4 роки тому

    Have you ever made anything or have any ideas what to make with those neumatic things that shoot little canisters through tubes from one end & back? Like our drive up bank tellers do transactions that way. I have 4 of them & nobody I know could come up with any ideas. Thanks

    • @ThinkingandTinkering
      @ThinkingandTinkering  4 роки тому

      lol - it really depends on what you want - making stuff has to be useful and the only person who knows what is useful to you - well that's you lol

  • @michelbisson6645
    @michelbisson6645 2 роки тому

    Impedance does it mean we cannot make power factor correction

  • @markrainford1219
    @markrainford1219 2 роки тому

    @7:20 you said 32A on 2.5, I think you meant to say 20A. 32 would be getting a bit toasty.

  • @geoffmarsh4901
    @geoffmarsh4901 4 роки тому

    Hi Robert good video, what is the make of your lathe. thanks

  • @misanthrop7489
    @misanthrop7489 4 роки тому

    Do you know a way to easily guesstimate the max temp in your kiln in relation to size and wattage? I did a quick search and only found some complex math, kind of finite element calculations IIRC.