WARNING! This is NOT the same as the ovation breadwinner. I wish I said this in the video, but even though the body looks similer to the breadwinner, the breadwinner DOES NOT change the angle of the neck if the guitar is resting on your RIGHT LEG. HOWEVER, the breadwinner is ergonomic in the CLASSICAL POSITION, which the Klein I have isn't. So they are two different designs with different strengths and weaknesses.
"High end modern guitar builder". I have known Steve Kline guitars since the 80's and he was that, all the way back then! I'm from the same "School" of guitar building, where tradition was traded for innovation! Grover Jackson, Hamer, Floyd Rose and Gary Kahler, Steve Kline, Charles Kaman, Dr. Kasha and Richard Schneider, and many others, including myself started using not just "Alternative" but better suited materials and non traditional woods, actual science, and anything that could be done to make guitars stay in tune better, be more ergonomic and comfortable, to play easier, sound better, be more versatile, look cooler... Everything good design should incorporate. I started building my first guitar in 84, using carbon fiber neck stabilizers, a two way truss rod to adjust for differing string gauges and tunings, so differing tension, Stainless steel frets (from the first batch ever made), Kahler tremolo, Locking nut, full 22 fret access via a heelless design, and under 6 lbs and well balanced (no neck dive). It's been my daily driver from the day I finished it. It was appraised at over $7000 in the mid 90's, and other than the typical preferences in neck profile, pickup sound... every one is amazed by it, including Grover Jackson and other Luthiers. It stays in tune exceptionally well, needs a truss rod adjustment every few years, has a criminally low action, no fret buzz or dead notes, sustains through a coffee break... It also has never had more than a light fret dressing once, and I did that about 3 years ago, because it finally showed a little fret wear after some 35 years. Steve Cline makes some wicked instruments, but I guess he doesn't use carbon fiber neck reinforcements!
Haha -- being in my 60s, my first reaction was, "Hey, that's just a ripoff of an Ovation Deacon (or Breadwinner)!" Oh well, you got me -- and it is beautiful, IMHO. Great video.
@@tiki_trash No it it's not! Close, but not exactly. Steve Kline did use it as a starting point, but changed some of it to be more ergonomic, lighter...
Definitively on the 'Cannot get past this body shape at all' side but then again that's how almost all people feel about B.C. Rich guitars and some of those are some of my favorite guitars ever (And some other of those go really hard in the opposite direction too btw) so I kinda get how some folks will actually find it appealing in it's uniqueness or just plain beautiful.
@@damham5689I think his point is mainly is that the shapes are so unique that it’s very shocking to the eye since the shape isn’t very mainstream hopefully that makes sense
That headstock actually looks kinda sick. It wouldn't look out of place on a modern metal guitar! I've seen other similar looking headstock that are simply ugly, but this one (probably unintentionally) looks interesting in a good way. The utterly magnificent and detailed craftsmanship could have something to do with it. Those open-gear tuners also fit the design perfectly.
3:50 Great vid, cool guitar, but just FYI, the guitar cushion is meant to be placed on the other leg (left leg not right). This is how classical guitarist do it. It likely solves the ‘issues’ you’re referring to.
I think the concept of guitar player ergonomics is one that as someone who has been playing for over 30 years, I never really thought about. Until recently when I started getting pains in my shoulder going down through my forearm to my farm. We live pretty sure it has something to do with how I am sitting in the guitar and playing. So I will probably be checking out your ergonomics course. Also, love the channel keep up the great work and wishing you the Best.
I’ve heard this from just about every guitar player over 40. Sometimes it’s shoulder, a lot of times lower back. For me it was wrist. Anyway, I wish you a happy recovery and thanks for supporting.
Funnily enough, when switching from bass to guitar, one of the first things I found about my old stratocaster is that I hated playing it. It hurts my right arm to play because it doesn't kick out to my right side far enough. Never could play for very long, it just wasn't comfortable. Eventually I ended up with a firebird style guitar (Hagstrom Fantomen if you care), and now the bridge sits farther to my right. I don't have to scrunch my shoulders together to play it, and it is so much more comfortable
You can't believe how glad I am that you addresses ergonomics and especially the effect of angle to left hand technique. As a classical guitarist and full-time guitar instructor I'm very strict with my students about this, and it's immensely frustrating when I see them go back to resting the left forearm on the thigh
As someone who doesn't practice as much as they should because of discomfort, I really should check out your course, and even though aesthetically this guitar really doesnt do it for me, I apreciate any design that serves to maximise a certain goal.
I'm not sure what kind of discomfort you mean, but exercising with finger weights really helps me, and doing hand stretches before bed and I usually wear wrist splints. I work with my hands so I can't afford to have problems with carpal tunnel syndrome and other forms of RSI. The weights aren't cheap around $120 for a pair last I checked, but they're well worth it. You could of course get a similar effect securing some nickles to your fingers and just looking up different exercises you can do, nickles weigh around 5 grams each where the weights use 10 gram rods. Not a huge fan of the 'one size fits all' as they can kinda loosen, especially the one you use on your thumb so I try to stick to the same ones for my thumb and pinky, I might try the ones that adjust. Another issue is the rods can get loose and fall out, but I just put some clear tape on them so they fit in more snugly. These are what I'm talking about: ua-cam.com/video/I0KalxGjfWk/v-deo.html
@@brians1793 Mainly posture related issues, my back is curved a bit too much, and looking down at my guitar whilst I practice gets uncomfortable over time.
I still advocate for people to try sitting down with a Flying V held in a classical position. Learning to play standing-up with it, where they can be a tad neck heavy, is still not that difficult. I will admit that for those seeking an alternative form factor, design efforts such as these do provide interesting options. Cheers~
I agree, except that my flying V is not neck heavy at all when standing. It balances at a perfect 45, if not a bit higher. Best standing balance on a guitar I've ever felt.
@@JustinBA007 I literally began playing guitar on a Flying V, so learning to negotiate any guitar while standing up may have contributed to my formative experience. If neck heaviness were to occur however, by no means is it a "deal breaker," or at all difficult to negotiate. Of course it's no longer an issue for me, and I would continue to emphasize the extensive benefits of playing the Flying V. As you say, the balance on yours is impeccable, and many others may share this experience. I remain a devout Flying V advocate, and quite enjoyed reading your endorsement of the instrument. Cheers~
This was my friend’s guitar! I work at a little shop in Iowa and we’ve gotten a few in. I’ve got one, and it’s easily the most comfortable guitar I’ve ever played.
As I’m getting older, I find myself gravitating more towards modern and/or ergonomic guitars. The design is not for everyone for sure, but it looks comfortable to play. Glad I found your channel!
@@tiki_trash true, I’m not a strat player until I had back problems for playing les paul for years. Then I bought the strat and I was blown away by how comfy it is compared to les paul!
I love Fly Me To The Moon on guitar. Just beautiful. I would love to hear more about classical position and problems. My biggest gripe is that the neck sticks out WAY too far (some necks stick out much more than others), which means you either need long arms, stretch a ton, and/or must be prepared to have your fretting arm fall asleep. You may also end up bashing your headstock by accident when you inevitably have to reach for a new pick or adjust an amp and forget that the headstock is sticking out much farther than normal. (Note: I definitely don’t speak from personal experience! 😂) The aforementioned issues would never be a problem while playing a standard sized (ie: 25.5” and below) acoustic guitar in classical position since the necks are physically shorter in length and/or are set further into the body. Anyway, I’d love to hear about other issues you encounter. That one drives me batty. I only own a single acoustic guitar, but I occasionally borrow an electric from a friend - it becomes a giant annoyance very quickly, and I always resort to make myself uncomfortable in the standard seated position because I just can’t reach all the low registers comfortably- even with my long arms.
well you just described it perfectly. I actually had that in the video and cut it out for time, but it’s almost like you said my exact gripe word for word. It also introduces a slight twist into the torso if you are stretching
Bill Frisell and Tim Miller got me very interested in Klein guitars almost to the same level Allan Holdsworth got me interested in Steinberger guitars. Still have yet to see one in real life
Single coils in series are some of my favorite high gain tones. Try putting the single coil back in the bridge and replace the switch with a 4 way so one of the middle positions can be series. I have a freeway 10 position switch in my Strandberg classic 6 trem with a set of bareknuckle old guard sss pickups. I used a 500k pot in the tone position and 250k pot in the volume position with a treble bleed and it is my most versatile guitar. I can go from really high gain muddy tones(bridge and middle in series with tone rolled back) to edge of break up spanky(bridge with tone about 7-8) to a perfect bluesy sound (neck with tone about 3-4).I've read about Strandberg's having some not so great QC issues recently and however founded or unfounded those claims are, my classic 6 trem I purchased spring 2021 came perfectly set up out of the box and has been so stable I haven't even needed to touch the truss rod. I've only swapped the electronics using a custom sss deco boom sss pickguard with the bridge slanted to look like a strat (I know there is no need to slant due to the fanned frets) and play it pretty much daily.
I'd love to see one of these in a bolder finish. The lines are so exotic that I think it could look really cool in Ferrari red or Lamborghini yellow or whatever, especially with some matte/satin black worked in there to really make it pop. (Sides of the head steps would probably look really cool against bright paint.)
I always get a kick out of your deep dive reviews. Ergonomics. playability & weight have become critical in my choice of an instrument, so when you bring out something new, I'm all ears. That said, what are your thoughts on Dean Gordon guitars?
Gibson got it right in 1957 with the Flying V.. I got one shortly after getting serious and only play classical position when sitting down. I can’t even own any other guitar shape now 🤘🏻😂
Fender should really put a small edge radius bevel on many Telecasters, at least at high contact and pressure points. That hard 90° angle is worse than the lack of belly cut and forearm cut. That would not alter the basic image of the instrument if anyone cared. It's so easy to manufacture a bolt on design with reduced heel obstruction as well. Like just do that, nobody sees it from the front anyway. Even new PRS ones kind of suck for the big prices. The BC Rich Gunslinger has a bolt joint you don't even feel.
Many people hold their guitars wrong when they sit. Try putting the treble side upper bout on the left leg and the bass side lower bout on the right leg. Bingo! Very comfortable, good neck angle. This is illustrated and explained in the first few pages of any beginner classical guitar book.
Thanks to your way of looking at musical related subjects, very rarely to finish a video except yours made my like addicted to you videos and opinions and would like to know more!! As if you gave a magical spiritual power that attracts the mind to listen and follow!! WOW.. thank you the world is lucky to have people like you sir regards from ENGLAND 🏴🙏🏼🌈👍👍
That's wild about the truss rod location for such an expensive and modern guitar. The adjustable truss rod wheel at the 24th fret should be standard design by now
Love your channel Andre! I build guitars and it’s great to hear such a detailed perspective from a seasoned player. You make me consider things that I have never thought of before. Lots of food for thought regarding future guitar builds! I fully endorse your quest for perfection 😉 By the way, Stewmac does there own version of Evo Gold. From a builders perspective, for technical reasons that are hard to put in to words, I actually prefer their product. Regarding noiseless pickups, I love the EMG 57/66 set. What are your thoughts on actives?
I've been playing guitar for 55 years and I have played many different types and manufacturers - how a guitar "should" look is something I never thought important. To me, a guitar is a guitar - the design of a guitar is up to the designer and that is what makes guitars so interesting, but there have been so many attempts to break away from the Tele/Strat/LP shaped create something that looked different - from Flying V. Explorers, Corvus, Danelectros, Rickies, Parker Fly to mention a few. What I find boring are the modified Teles - a "new" guitar is released? - its a Tele. Don't get me wrong, I have Crinson Tele and it is a beast of a guitar, but I take it to gigs only as a backup. My workhorse guitar is a 93 strat with Lace pups and a Bare Knuckle humbucker in the bridge - and that does everything I need it to. When somebody brings out what is essentially a Tele in on odd shaped body and tells me that "This is how a Guitar Should Actually Look" , I'll look at it , say "nnnnggghhh!" and move on. If you like this guitar, then great , but don't claim it is what a guitar should look like.
Before I get started on all this, let me first say that I very much enjoyed your keen attention to detail in the design and ergonomics departments. You review these instruments the exact way I feel I would need in a review if I was on the market, zeroing in on a purchase, and usually get hung up and freeze on pulling the trigger having been unable to quell the nagging questions I have regarding the fit and finish, that being the SOLE justification in deciding to take that kind of plunge on a sight-unseen instrument that I don't have immediate local access to try before I buy. Change *nothing* on the way you do these videos, please! The high action and the "quack" are exactly why I will never be able to tolerate a Telecaster. Having the adjacent string pairs SHARE a saddle is just insanity, especially that middle saddle, the two strings will NEVER intonate properly and I don't care how compensated their saddles are! It's also completely a junk esthetic, from the headstock, to the ashtray, and everything in between. Also, I'm sure you must have heard that buzzing eating through your clean fingerstyle chords at the end, even through those noiseless pickups. It's probably a grounding issue, especially if as I suspect the issue subsides when you touch the ashtray (I know that term actually refers to the COVER over the bridge [+pickup, not pictured], but I think it still suits the design pretty well). I would make it a point to give the electrical connections a good close once-over, maybe whenever you have the neck taken off for its next truss rod adjustment. The ONLY way I could ever see that design justified is if it was to discourage players from making adjustments at tension. BUT, those who are sinking that kind of bread into a nice boutique instrument, 10 out of 10 times will know how to set a neck properly, and they will all be glad, if not stoked to tell you they DAMN SURE don't need nor appreciate their hands being held and forced like that. Eeesh...
Thanks for your comment and support. Yea I do agree there is probably a grounding issue with the guitar. Thanks for reminding me. I need to put that on the to do list :).
I have chronic tendonitis in my left arm. My arm hurts 24/7. Ergonomics should be taught as a fundamental. Thank you for bringing this topic front and center. Ive really come to appreciate the looks of the ergo guitars as well. Thanks Andre!
How old are you? How many years were you playing when the tendonitis developed? Were you really hardcore playing for hours every day? Are you righty or lefty?
The truss rod thing is very very frustrating. I'd cry if I had to unstring it and remove the neck for a slight 1/4 turn adjustment.....that might be too much or not enough. But you'll only know when you restring it. I've already got a headache.
I learned a long time ago to just always practice standing. It increases situational awareness too, you wouldn’t want to trip on your cord on stage (but seriously get a wireless setup, the more affordable digital ones these days like the Senn XSW-D / EW-D or Shure PGXD / GLXD are fantastic)
There's so much that's so right about this guitar, it's SUPER confusing that the truss rod is so difficult to adjust. Can the truss rod adjustment be accessed by removing the pick guard?
Hey Andre! I've spent some time watching many of your older videos and I love the content. I just wanted to recognize how good your camera setup looks in these newer videos!
This headstock design looks cool, but is deficient on a couple of points. It has three contact/friction points of strings against steel before the machine head - the zero fret, the first post after it, and the second post at the edge of the headstock. It also has lateral break angle on that first post. Good designs have straight string pull through a nut made of lubricated material and then directly into the machine head. Most other bad designs offer at least the option to compensate for their deficiency with a String Butler or a similar solution with roller posts that reduce friction overall an at the nut specifically. You'd need to get them custom to fix this piece. I also don't buy that it offers weight relief, the longer metal rods on the headstock necessary to reach through its entire width along with the additional metal posts are going to weigh more than the wood removed, and there's still more wood because it's six tuners in a straight line. The pegs on the tuning posts have a smaller diameter than normal that will make turning them require more force, which I find strange for an ergonomy-oriented product. Something like a Music Man style 4+2 headstock has none of these issues. This design seems simultaneously both over- and underengineered for the sake of being different. But I do like the guitar in general. It looks cool and we definitely should be paying way more attention to musician's health and posture issues. That demonstration of the guitar neck being parallel to the floor with Andre fully bending his fretting hand wrist had me wince both professionally as a teacher and personally as a two-times tendonitis sufferer. Quoting high-quality research from a few years ago from memory that I cba to look up this moment: among trained music performance majors only piano players have a greater rate of work-related injury than guitarists, of which over three quarters have reported having some form of repetitive-strain injury at some point. We can do better as both players and teachers, and having equipment that supports us in this by design is not a trivial point!
Interesting.. I'm still a novice player but am over the visual thing (mostly) however I am having a tough time with this one. It just looks like a sunfish. Lol. Sorry hope you don't mind my stupid comment! I have been enjoying your content.
Thank you for another first-class video: your videos are always detailed and intelligent. I learn something new from each of them, and they're always entertaining.
What I don't understand is why the Stele uses that archaic 3-saddle bridge. Intonation on those is always a compromise between the two strings that share a saddle. The 6-saddle makes much more sense and should have been used on the "improved" Stele.
Hey Andre! I recently bought your course and I'm really enjoying your lessons. The only note I have is that it would be nice if you provided your chord & scale diagrams in .gp5 format.
Amazing review as always from you, interesting guitar not what I would play but I love an ergonomic guitars like the Parker guitars and it sounds great! But what where they thinking with that truss rode placement that’s criminal at that price 😂
I don’t like traditional Teles much because of the ergonomics. Never played tennis but I do gets the tennis elbow so I don’t like resting my arm on a 90 degree angle
I had tennis elbow once for a couple of months from doing too many weighted pull ups. It can come from so many different things besides tennis. There are ways to rehab it and make it less likely to occur.
Been waiting for this review for months and it did not disappoint. I was hoping that this review would help me decide whether or not to purchase a sTele but it seems that the truss rod issue is going to keep me on the fence a bit longer. Also, Oreos -- double stuffed, original and the million funky flavors they've since come up with-- are cheap, nasty knockoffs to the vastly superior (but unfortunately named) Hydrox cookie.
Did your kid get at it with a sharpie? Interesting guitar. I like interesting and different guitars so I think it's cool. That said, a modern guitar neck should be way more stable than that. Evan where I am in southern Arizona it's normal to adjust a truss rod a couple of times a year, but we have huge temperature and humidity variations in very short intervals. Not sure where you are though so maybe a similar situation.
My first thought was, “That looks like my Ovation”. I find the body style aesthetically pleasing. Having heard your comments on the headstock, I am willing to suspend judgement-it may be worth the compromise in appearance. That spike doesn’t seem to integrate with the curves of the body.
Interesting topic. This is the first I've heard of this model. (I live under an old rock) I have seen them on videos but I assumed they were Ovation Electrics from the shape. Didn't pay attention to the shape of the headstock. Cheers!
Why is the nut clamps only for the first four strings? Odd! I personally HATE zero frets. They may seem like a good idea, but if you do a lot of bending they wear out fast. And you'll hear the strings plinking across the fret if it gets scratched and worn / dented. Just another thing that has to be maintained really. Bad idea on an electric. For an acoustic where you're not really bending, or a bass? Maybe it would be a better fit.
You should try the Ormsby RC-one, it's the most comfortable guitar I've ever played, you literally can't feel it when you play it, if that makes sense. It looks devilish, but everything is done as it should be. The only thing that would need to be replaced are the pickups
@@andrefludd I watched the fragment with the guitar, and I must agree that this multiscale is not very good. I have a luthier's copy without multiscale and with evertune
As I'm getting older, I tend to care much more about ergonomics, playability, and other practical aspects, but much less about "beauty" (which is in the eye of the beholder).
The truss rod access is a deal breaker for me on any guitar. You can't set the neck relief properly, while the neck isn't under tension of the strings. It's fundamentally flawed. This design should have never made it past a napkin sketch.
AnnoyanceMeter reading of bridge tuners for headless guitars is very high. knurled barrels don't offer the same leverage as traditional tuner buttons and I hate tuning with the brigde tuners
Here is a great example of a great player playing a Klein guitar. Tim is playing a Canton guitar but seems very similar to Klein?... I may be completely wrong as I see a Canton manufacturer of guitars.
If you're going to be shipping true single coil pickups, then you need to also include a silent system like Suhr's SSC that can be enabled and disabled with a switch :) That way for the purists they can get their noise, and for everyone else, the sane and reasonable people, they can play without the noise!
The only thing I disliked about this guitar seems to be the very flat fingerboard/fretboard/neck radius, I'm not really into Shredder's guitars, so a radius between 9.5" to 12" would be perfect, or maybe even beginning at 7.25", to 12" by the very end. To be honest, the main thing I love about Teles is the chunky and rounder neck, like a baseball bat, either with C shape, V shape, or U shape.
When I sit I put the lower bout on my right leg and get the angle I want. Then I adjust the guitar strap so that the guitar is in the same position when I stand. Problem solved!
By the way, for you allergic people: Stainless steel is stainless because they add nickle to it... I learned that the only thing you can do, is to use coated strings. If someone has more info, please share...
Apart from everything else, I find the body shape pleasing to the eye and also like the natural finish. The slim and pointy headstock would take me sometime to get used to. Quite elegant looking nevertheless.
Kind of looks like an ovation breadwinner with an extra cut out of it. I'm a big fan of Ergo guitars and love your channel but this one is a miss for me.
I love tele’s, but ergonomically I’m not a fan. The Squire offset tele had been a great choice for tele tone with better ergonomics. Weighing tit for tat, I can say I’d rather just stand up than play a tele like this (or sit classical style) 😂 I mean no offense but it just doesn’t appeal to me. An Abasi tele would be acceptable though 😁
Yes yes. Why the noise? It just doesn't make sense. I never even considered or will ever consider getting a strat or tele. It might be the best guitar for me in terms of playability but if the pickups hum, just no.
The guitar looks like an Ovation Electric from the 1970s, but the design elements and engineering are brilliant. It’s as clever a design as the Parker Fly.
apparently i cant send you my link, but ill send you my concept via some other social media.... its somewhat tele style but its 'furnishing' an ergonomic multiscale.. JyB Master..
Even if felt and played like the perfect guitar that I dreamed up in my head, I couldn't play that thing...hehe. I am not picky when it comes to the looks of my guitars (not that I really can be..since I'm a lefty..), but I couldn't rock that thing. I can't believe that I referred to the guitar as 'that thing', 2 times in one short statement. hehe. I just looks too alien for my liking. I'll stick to my LPs an Mosrite copy.
My levy’s leather strap has two hole on the bridge end. One I use for standing and a shorter one I use when sitting. I’m sure that’s not why it exists. But it works perfectly for sitting playing.
Yes, I have nylon strap with plastic locking ends with a sliding buckle that can be adjusted easily. It's not the most comfortable strap (I prefer simple Perri's leather straps with the raw/suede inside) but for home use and going from computer desk, to sofa to a tube amp, etc., around the house, it's convenient and it works great.
WARNING! This is NOT the same as the ovation breadwinner. I wish I said this in the video, but even though the body looks similer to the breadwinner, the breadwinner DOES NOT change the angle of the neck if the guitar is resting on your RIGHT LEG. HOWEVER, the breadwinner is ergonomic in the CLASSICAL POSITION, which the Klein I have isn't. So they are two different designs with different strengths and weaknesses.
"High end modern guitar builder". I have known Steve Kline guitars since the 80's and he was that, all the way back then! I'm from the same "School" of guitar building, where tradition was traded for innovation! Grover Jackson, Hamer, Floyd Rose and Gary Kahler, Steve Kline, Charles Kaman, Dr. Kasha and Richard Schneider, and many others, including myself started using not just "Alternative" but better suited materials and non traditional woods, actual science, and anything that could be done to make guitars stay in tune better, be more ergonomic and comfortable, to play easier, sound better, be more versatile, look cooler... Everything good design should incorporate.
I started building my first guitar in 84, using carbon fiber neck stabilizers, a two way truss rod to adjust for differing string gauges and tunings, so differing tension, Stainless steel frets (from the first batch ever made), Kahler tremolo, Locking nut, full 22 fret access via a heelless design, and under 6 lbs and well balanced (no neck dive). It's been my daily driver from the day I finished it. It was appraised at over $7000 in the mid 90's, and other than the typical preferences in neck profile, pickup sound... every one is amazed by it, including Grover Jackson and other Luthiers. It stays in tune exceptionally well, needs a truss rod adjustment every few years, has a criminally low action, no fret buzz or dead notes, sustains through a coffee break... It also has never had more than a light fret dressing once, and I did that about 3 years ago, because it finally showed a little fret wear after some 35 years.
Steve Cline makes some wicked instruments, but I guess he doesn't use carbon fiber neck reinforcements!
If you play it like a classical guitar , the angle is like the 45* . I always play the 2 I have like that .
Haha -- being in my 60s, my first reaction was, "Hey, that's just a ripoff of an Ovation Deacon (or Breadwinner)!" Oh well, you got me -- and it is beautiful, IMHO. Great video.
Wow! ThAt Is eXaCtLy tHe SaMe aS A oVaTiOn bReAdWinNer!!!
@@tiki_trash No it it's not! Close, but not exactly. Steve Kline did use it as a starting point, but changed some of it to be more ergonomic, lighter...
Definitively on the 'Cannot get past this body shape at all' side but then again that's how almost all people feel about B.C. Rich guitars and some of those are some of my favorite guitars ever (And some other of those go really hard in the opposite direction too btw) so I kinda get how some folks will actually find it appealing in it's uniqueness or just plain beautiful.
Its not a new body design. Google 1970s Ovation Deacon guitar.
Man wish i could find a USA made bc rich stealth ;(
@@damham5689I think his point is mainly is that the shapes are so unique that it’s very shocking to the eye since the shape isn’t very mainstream hopefully that makes sense
That headstock actually looks kinda sick. It wouldn't look out of place on a modern metal guitar! I've seen other similar looking headstock that are simply ugly, but this one (probably unintentionally) looks interesting in a good way. The utterly magnificent and detailed craftsmanship could have something to do with it. Those open-gear tuners also fit the design perfectly.
3:50 Great vid, cool guitar, but just FYI, the guitar cushion is meant to be placed on the other leg (left leg not right). This is how classical guitarist do it. It likely solves the ‘issues’ you’re referring to.
This reminds me of the wangcaster haha
Same
I’m saddened that I even know what you’re talking about lol
When he said it was made out of swamp ash my brain went “swamp ass lol”
Well, to the wangcaster design is very human...
The cockandballs-caster
I think the concept of guitar player ergonomics is one that as someone who has been playing for over 30 years, I never really thought about. Until recently when I started getting pains in my shoulder going down through my forearm to my farm. We live pretty sure it has something to do with how I am sitting in the guitar and playing. So I will probably be checking out your ergonomics course.
Also, love the channel keep up the great work and wishing you the Best.
I’ve heard this from just about every guitar player over 40. Sometimes it’s shoulder, a lot of times lower back. For me it was wrist. Anyway, I wish you a happy recovery and thanks for supporting.
Funnily enough, when switching from bass to guitar, one of the first things I found about my old stratocaster is that I hated playing it. It hurts my right arm to play because it doesn't kick out to my right side far enough. Never could play for very long, it just wasn't comfortable. Eventually I ended up with a firebird style guitar (Hagstrom Fantomen if you care), and now the bridge sits farther to my right. I don't have to scrunch my shoulders together to play it, and it is so much more comfortable
I'm glad you said that, as we speak my left wrist is very sore from paying my new guitar. I hate getting older. @@andrefludd
You can't believe how glad I am that you addresses ergonomics and especially the effect of angle to left hand technique.
As a classical guitarist and full-time guitar instructor I'm very strict with my students about this, and it's immensely frustrating when I see them go back to resting the left forearm on the thigh
0:25 I HAVE HAD THIS SONG STUCK IN MY HEAD ALL DAY AND THEN U STARTED PLAYING IT JUST AS I WAS WHISTLING IT AND IT FREAKED ME OUT.
As someone who doesn't practice as much as they should because of discomfort, I really should check out your course, and even though aesthetically this guitar really doesnt do it for me, I apreciate any design that serves to maximise a certain goal.
I’ve certainly been there as well (a full year of pain). That’s why I take the topic so seriously
I'm not sure what kind of discomfort you mean, but exercising with finger weights really helps me, and doing hand stretches before bed and I usually wear wrist splints. I work with my hands so I can't afford to have problems with carpal tunnel syndrome and other forms of RSI. The weights aren't cheap around $120 for a pair last I checked, but they're well worth it. You could of course get a similar effect securing some nickles to your fingers and just looking up different exercises you can do, nickles weigh around 5 grams each where the weights use 10 gram rods. Not a huge fan of the 'one size fits all' as they can kinda loosen, especially the one you use on your thumb so I try to stick to the same ones for my thumb and pinky, I might try the ones that adjust. Another issue is the rods can get loose and fall out, but I just put some clear tape on them so they fit in more snugly.
These are what I'm talking about:
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@@brians1793 Mainly posture related issues, my back is curved a bit too much, and looking down at my guitar whilst I practice gets uncomfortable over time.
I still advocate for people to try sitting down with a Flying V held in a classical position. Learning to play standing-up with it, where they can be a tad neck heavy, is still not that difficult. I will admit that for those seeking an alternative form factor, design efforts such as these do provide interesting options. Cheers~
I agree, except that my flying V is not neck heavy at all when standing. It balances at a perfect 45, if not a bit higher. Best standing balance on a guitar I've ever felt.
@@JustinBA007 I literally began playing guitar on a Flying V, so learning to negotiate any guitar while standing up may have contributed to my formative experience. If neck heaviness were to occur however, by no means is it a "deal breaker," or at all difficult to negotiate. Of course it's no longer an issue for me, and I would continue to emphasize the extensive benefits of playing the Flying V. As you say, the balance on yours is impeccable, and many others may share this experience. I remain a devout Flying V advocate, and quite enjoyed reading your endorsement of the instrument. Cheers~
Glad to meet you, informative video.
Thank you Andre!
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This was my friend’s guitar! I work at a little shop in Iowa and we’ve gotten a few in. I’ve got one, and it’s easily the most comfortable guitar I’ve ever played.
It’s amazing! I’m happy I got it
As I’m getting older, I find myself gravitating more towards modern and/or ergonomic guitars. The design is not for everyone for sure, but it looks comfortable to play. Glad I found your channel!
Nothing wrong with a strat. Comfort contours, baby.
@@tiki_trash true, I’m not a strat player until I had back problems for playing les paul for years. Then I bought the strat and I was blown away by how comfy it is compared to les paul!
@@emeritusiv1366 They do feel nice and the neck pickup is one of my favorite guitar sounds.
@@emeritusiv1366 That neck pickup, oh yeah. It's just in the perfect place. Leo hit out of the ballpark with that one.
I love Fly Me To The Moon on guitar. Just beautiful.
I would love to hear more about classical position and problems. My biggest gripe is that the neck sticks out WAY too far (some necks stick out much more than others), which means you either need long arms, stretch a ton, and/or must be prepared to have your fretting arm fall asleep. You may also end up bashing your headstock by accident when you inevitably have to reach for a new pick or adjust an amp and forget that the headstock is sticking out much farther than normal. (Note: I definitely don’t speak from personal experience! 😂) The aforementioned issues would never be a problem while playing a standard sized (ie: 25.5” and below) acoustic guitar in classical position since the necks are physically shorter in length and/or are set further into the body.
Anyway, I’d love to hear about other issues you encounter. That one drives me batty. I only own a single acoustic guitar, but I occasionally borrow an electric from a friend - it becomes a giant annoyance very quickly, and I always resort to make myself uncomfortable in the standard seated position because I just can’t reach all the low registers comfortably- even with my long arms.
well you just described it perfectly. I actually had that in the video and cut it out for time, but it’s almost like you said my exact gripe word for word. It also introduces a slight twist into the torso if you are stretching
Bill Frisell and Tim Miller got me very interested in Klein guitars almost to the same level Allan Holdsworth got me interested in Steinberger guitars. Still have yet to see one in real life
Single coils in series are some of my favorite high gain tones. Try putting the single coil back in the bridge and replace the switch with a 4 way so one of the middle positions can be series. I have a freeway 10 position switch in my Strandberg classic 6 trem with a set of bareknuckle old guard sss pickups. I used a 500k pot in the tone position and 250k pot in the volume position with a treble bleed and it is my most versatile guitar. I can go from really high gain muddy tones(bridge and middle in series with tone rolled back) to edge of break up spanky(bridge with tone about 7-8) to a perfect bluesy sound (neck with tone about 3-4).I've read about Strandberg's having some not so great QC issues recently and however founded or unfounded those claims are, my classic 6 trem I purchased spring 2021 came perfectly set up out of the box and has been so stable I haven't even needed to touch the truss rod. I've only swapped the electronics using a custom sss deco boom sss pickguard with the bridge slanted to look like a strat (I know there is no need to slant due to the fanned frets) and play it pretty much daily.
I'd love to see one of these in a bolder finish. The lines are so exotic that I think it could look really cool in Ferrari red or Lamborghini yellow or whatever, especially with some matte/satin black worked in there to really make it pop. (Sides of the head steps would probably look really cool against bright paint.)
I always get a kick out of your deep dive reviews. Ergonomics. playability & weight have become critical in my choice of an instrument, so when you bring out something new, I'm all ears. That said, what are your thoughts on Dean Gordon guitars?
Gibson got it right in 1957 with the Flying V.. I got one shortly after getting serious and only play classical position when sitting down. I can’t even own any other guitar shape now 🤘🏻😂
Fender should really put a small edge radius bevel on many Telecasters, at least at high contact and pressure points. That hard 90° angle is worse than the lack of belly cut and forearm cut. That would not alter the basic image of the instrument if anyone cared.
It's so easy to manufacture a bolt on design with reduced heel obstruction as well. Like just do that, nobody sees it from the front anyway. Even new PRS ones kind of suck for the big prices.
The BC Rich Gunslinger has a bolt joint you don't even feel.
Many people hold their guitars wrong when they sit. Try putting the treble side upper bout on the left leg and the bass side lower bout on the right leg. Bingo! Very comfortable, good neck angle. This is illustrated and explained in the first few pages of any beginner classical guitar book.
Thanks to your way of looking at musical related subjects, very rarely to finish a video except yours made my like addicted to you videos and opinions and would like to know more!! As if you gave a magical spiritual power that attracts the mind to listen and follow!! WOW.. thank you the world is lucky to have people like you sir regards from ENGLAND 🏴🙏🏼🌈👍👍
That's wild about the truss rod location for such an expensive and modern guitar.
The adjustable truss rod wheel at the 24th fret should be standard design by now
Love your channel Andre! I build guitars and it’s great to hear such a detailed perspective from a seasoned player. You make me consider things that I have never thought of before. Lots of food for thought regarding future guitar builds! I fully endorse your quest for perfection 😉 By the way, Stewmac does there own version of Evo Gold. From a builders perspective, for technical reasons that are hard to put in to words, I actually prefer their product. Regarding noiseless pickups, I love the EMG 57/66 set. What are your thoughts on actives?
I think active pickups are underrated especially emgs. I had a hss set and they were great.
@@andrefludd the clarity and string separation is hard to beat.
I've been playing guitar for 55 years and I have played many different types and manufacturers - how a guitar "should" look is something I never thought important. To me, a guitar is a guitar - the design of a guitar is up to the designer and that is what makes guitars so interesting, but there have been so many attempts to break away from the Tele/Strat/LP shaped create something that looked different - from Flying V. Explorers, Corvus, Danelectros, Rickies, Parker Fly to mention a few. What I find boring are the modified Teles - a "new" guitar is released? - its a Tele. Don't get me wrong, I have Crinson Tele and it is a beast of a guitar, but I take it to gigs only as a backup. My workhorse guitar is a 93 strat with Lace pups and a Bare Knuckle humbucker in the bridge - and that does everything I need it to.
When somebody brings out what is essentially a Tele in on odd shaped body and tells me that "This is how a Guitar Should Actually Look" , I'll look at it , say "nnnnggghhh!" and move on. If you like this guitar, then great , but don't claim it is what a guitar should look like.
If you want to see something crazy Andre, inspect an NS stick... The strings are attach sideways at BOTH ends of :)
Before I get started on all this, let me first say that I very much enjoyed your keen attention to detail in the design and ergonomics departments. You review these instruments the exact way I feel I would need in a review if I was on the market, zeroing in on a purchase, and usually get hung up and freeze on pulling the trigger having been unable to quell the nagging questions I have regarding the fit and finish, that being the SOLE justification in deciding to take that kind of plunge on a sight-unseen instrument that I don't have immediate local access to try before I buy. Change *nothing* on the way you do these videos, please!
The high action and the "quack" are exactly why I will never be able to tolerate a Telecaster. Having the adjacent string pairs SHARE a saddle is just insanity, especially that middle saddle, the two strings will NEVER intonate properly and I don't care how compensated their saddles are! It's also completely a junk esthetic, from the headstock, to the ashtray, and everything in between.
Also, I'm sure you must have heard that buzzing eating through your clean fingerstyle chords at the end, even through those noiseless pickups. It's probably a grounding issue, especially if as I suspect the issue subsides when you touch the ashtray (I know that term actually refers to the COVER over the bridge [+pickup, not pictured], but I think it still suits the design pretty well). I would make it a point to give the electrical connections a good close once-over, maybe whenever you have the neck taken off for its next truss rod adjustment. The ONLY way I could ever see that design justified is if it was to discourage players from making adjustments at tension. BUT, those who are sinking that kind of bread into a nice boutique instrument, 10 out of 10 times will know how to set a neck properly, and they will all be glad, if not stoked to tell you they DAMN SURE don't need nor appreciate their hands being held and forced like that.
Eeesh...
Thanks for your comment and support. Yea I do agree there is probably a grounding issue with the guitar. Thanks for reminding me. I need to put that on the to do list :).
I have chronic tendonitis in my left arm. My arm hurts 24/7. Ergonomics should be taught as a fundamental. Thank you for bringing this topic front and center. Ive really come to appreciate the looks of the ergo guitars as well. Thanks Andre!
How old are you? How many years were you playing when the tendonitis developed? Were you really hardcore playing for hours every day? Are you righty or lefty?
this looks so cool! i love the way the guitar looks! it just makes it look quite cool
The truss rod thing is very very frustrating. I'd cry if I had to unstring it and remove the neck for a slight 1/4 turn adjustment.....that might be too much or not enough. But you'll only know when you restring it. I've already got a headache.
Andre, keep going! You'll get 6 digit subs in no time!
I learned a long time ago to just always practice standing. It increases situational awareness too, you wouldn’t want to trip on your cord on stage (but seriously get a wireless setup, the more affordable digital ones these days like the Senn XSW-D / EW-D or Shure PGXD / GLXD are fantastic)
There's so much that's so right about this guitar, it's SUPER confusing that the truss rod is so difficult to adjust. Can the truss rod adjustment be accessed by removing the pick guard?
Hey Andre! I've spent some time watching many of your older videos and I love the content. I just wanted to recognize how good your camera setup looks in these newer videos!
Thank you! All the same room and the same lights. Just a couple tweaks and mastering my gear
This headstock design looks cool, but is deficient on a couple of points. It has three contact/friction points of strings against steel before the machine head - the zero fret, the first post after it, and the second post at the edge of the headstock. It also has lateral break angle on that first post. Good designs have straight string pull through a nut made of lubricated material and then directly into the machine head. Most other bad designs offer at least the option to compensate for their deficiency with a String Butler or a similar solution with roller posts that reduce friction overall an at the nut specifically. You'd need to get them custom to fix this piece.
I also don't buy that it offers weight relief, the longer metal rods on the headstock necessary to reach through its entire width along with the additional metal posts are going to weigh more than the wood removed, and there's still more wood because it's six tuners in a straight line. The pegs on the tuning posts have a smaller diameter than normal that will make turning them require more force, which I find strange for an ergonomy-oriented product.
Something like a Music Man style 4+2 headstock has none of these issues. This design seems simultaneously both over- and underengineered for the sake of being different.
But I do like the guitar in general. It looks cool and we definitely should be paying way more attention to musician's health and posture issues. That demonstration of the guitar neck being parallel to the floor with Andre fully bending his fretting hand wrist had me wince both professionally as a teacher and personally as a two-times tendonitis sufferer.
Quoting high-quality research from a few years ago from memory that I cba to look up this moment: among trained music performance majors only piano players have a greater rate of work-related injury than guitarists, of which over three quarters have reported having some form of repetitive-strain injury at some point. We can do better as both players and teachers, and having equipment that supports us in this by design is not a trivial point!
4:47 really nice tone; what's your equipment on that?
Interesting.. I'm still a novice player but am over the visual thing (mostly) however I am having a tough time with this one. It just looks like a sunfish. Lol.
Sorry hope you don't mind my stupid comment! I have been enjoying your content.
Thank you for another first-class video: your videos are always detailed and intelligent. I learn something new from each of them, and they're always entertaining.
What I don't understand is why the Stele uses that archaic 3-saddle bridge. Intonation on those is always a compromise between the two strings that share a saddle. The 6-saddle makes much more sense and should have been used on the "improved" Stele.
Hey Andre! I recently bought your course and I'm really enjoying your lessons. The only note I have is that it would be nice if you provided your chord & scale diagrams in .gp5 format.
I’ll provide that in the next update. Thanks for the suggestion and always feel free to email me any others!
Amazing review as always from you, interesting guitar not what I would play but I love an ergonomic guitars like the Parker guitars and it sounds great! But what where they thinking with that truss rode placement that’s criminal at that price 😂
Oh.. I use a guitar strap and I adjust it to keep the guitar in the same angle both seated and standing. Works for me...
Teles, yeah, I don't like how they look but I fell in love with the neck pickup.
Great Videos
Your content transcends other channels.
Nice to have real world advice.
I don’t like traditional Teles much because of the ergonomics. Never played tennis but I do gets the tennis elbow so I don’t like resting my arm on a 90 degree angle
I had tennis elbow once for a couple of months from doing too many weighted pull ups. It can come from so many different things besides tennis. There are ways to rehab it and make it less likely to occur.
Been waiting for this review for months and it did not disappoint. I was hoping that this review would help me decide whether or not to purchase a sTele but it seems that the truss rod issue is going to keep me on the fence a bit longer.
Also, Oreos -- double stuffed, original and the million funky flavors they've since come up with-- are cheap, nasty knockoffs to the vastly superior (but unfortunately named) Hydrox cookie.
It looks beautiful to me, it gives me airs of Holdsworth guitars
This looks like guitar you'd like, or better yet it looks like a guitar you'd design yourself.
Did your kid get at it with a sharpie?
Interesting guitar. I like interesting and different guitars so I think it's cool.
That said, a modern guitar neck should be way more stable than that. Evan where I am in southern Arizona it's normal to adjust a truss rod a couple of times a year, but we have huge temperature and humidity variations in very short intervals. Not sure where you are though so maybe a similar situation.
Editing was on point this video 👌 also, double stuff Oreos are indeed the standard.
This took SO LONG 😂. Thanks for noticing
My first thought was, “That looks like my Ovation”. I find the body style aesthetically pleasing. Having heard your comments on the headstock, I am willing to suspend judgement-it may be worth the compromise in appearance. That spike doesn’t seem to integrate with the curves of the body.
Interesting topic. This is the first I've heard of this model. (I live under an old rock) I have seen them on videos but I assumed they were Ovation Electrics from the shape. Didn't pay attention to the shape of the headstock. Cheers!
Why is the nut clamps only for the first four strings? Odd! I personally HATE zero frets. They may seem like a good idea, but if you do a lot of bending they wear out fast. And you'll hear the strings plinking across the fret if it gets scratched and worn / dented. Just another thing that has to be maintained really. Bad idea on an electric. For an acoustic where you're not really bending, or a bass? Maybe it would be a better fit.
Thank you for using “comprises” correctly.
For me, Teles all suffer from severe neck dive. I love the look but hate playing them standing up. I'm constantly yanking up on that drooping neck!
Great information, I learned some stuff.
do you know what that guitar needs? a sexy piece of flamed or quilted maple with a sick finish.
You should try the Ormsby RC-one, it's the most comfortable guitar I've ever played, you literally can't feel it when you play it, if that makes sense. It looks devilish, but everything is done as it should be. The only thing that would need to be replaced are the pickups
I have one :). Check out my guitar collection video of you get a chance.
@@andrefludd I watched the fragment with the guitar, and I must agree that this multiscale is not very good. I have a luthier's copy without multiscale and with evertune
As I'm getting older, I tend to care much more about ergonomics, playability, and other practical aspects, but much less about "beauty" (which is in the eye of the beholder).
The truss rod access is a deal breaker for me on any guitar. You can't set the neck relief properly, while the neck isn't under tension of the strings. It's fundamentally flawed. This design should have never made it past a napkin sketch.
AnnoyanceMeter reading of bridge tuners for headless guitars is very high. knurled barrels don't offer the same leverage as traditional tuner buttons and I hate tuning with the brigde tuners
Here is a great example of a great player playing a Klein guitar. Tim is playing a Canton guitar but seems very similar to Klein?... I may be completely wrong as I see a Canton manufacturer of guitars.
If you're going to be shipping true single coil pickups, then you need to also include a silent system like Suhr's SSC that can be enabled and disabled with a switch :) That way for the purists they can get their noise, and for everyone else, the sane and reasonable people, they can play without the noise!
The only thing I disliked about this guitar seems to be the very flat fingerboard/fretboard/neck radius, I'm not really into Shredder's guitars, so a radius between 9.5" to 12" would be perfect, or maybe even beginning at 7.25", to 12" by the very end.
To be honest, the main thing I love about Teles is the chunky and rounder neck, like a baseball bat, either with C shape, V shape, or U shape.
Thanks in part to you, my guitar knowledge is advancing ever faster than my ability.
That’s a great problem to have!
I play Fender Stratocasters. It Might be because it is so comfortable.
Great video.
Give me that parker in the background
When I sit I put the lower bout on my right leg and get the angle I want. Then I adjust the guitar strap so that the guitar is in the same position when I stand. Problem solved!
Now I'm curious about buying a cheap tele knockoff in natural wood, and cutting out sections from the body.
By the way, for you allergic people: Stainless steel is stainless because they add nickle to it... I learned that the only thing you can do, is to use coated strings. If someone has more info, please share...
Reminds me of an end table
Apart from everything else, I find the body shape pleasing to the eye and also like the natural finish. The slim and pointy headstock would take me sometime to get used to. Quite elegant looking nevertheless.
Kind of looks like an ovation breadwinner with an extra cut out of it. I'm a big fan of Ergo guitars and love your channel but this one is a miss for me.
I love tele’s, but ergonomically I’m not a fan. The Squire offset tele had been a great choice for tele tone with better ergonomics.
Weighing tit for tat, I can say I’d rather just stand up than play a tele like this (or sit classical style) 😂 I mean no offense but it just doesn’t appeal to me. An Abasi tele would be acceptable though 😁
I also love offsets.
Yes yes. Why the noise? It just doesn't make sense. I never even considered or will ever consider getting a strat or tele. It might be the best guitar for me in terms of playability but if the pickups hum, just no.
Regarding playing sitting…. Sit using classic position. Foot stool.
Perhaps you should try this; "This is how I think a guitar should look". That would be more credible.
As for whether this thing is beautiful or not ... beautiful is as beautiful does. So yeah its weird, but its beauty is undeniable.
True temperament neck needed.
Can you do a review of the Yamaha Revstar?
It’s on the list :)
The guitar looks like an Ovation Electric from the 1970s, but the design elements and engineering are brilliant. It’s as clever a design as the Parker Fly.
ahhhh yes, thanks! I knew it looked familiar but couldn't place it
Lol, as a child I grabbed the V as my first guitar exactly because it forced me to go classical, sitting pretty straight
That guitar would look great in my fireplace ❤
apparently i cant send you my link, but ill send you my concept via some other social media.... its somewhat tele style but its 'furnishing' an ergonomic multiscale.. JyB Master..
shoot me an email :)
18:11 if they stop making regular stuf Oreos, doesn't that make the double or mega stuf the new regular? Lol asking the real questions here
That’s my only real goal of this video. To make that a reality lol
God its ugly. Nice to see you doing well! Looks like ur gamble is paying off😉 you'll always be the nf guy to me
All of those annoyances like the truss rod and reversed tuners and not sitting on a stand are unacceptable for a 7000+ dollar guitar.
Even if felt and played like the perfect guitar that I dreamed up in my head, I couldn't play that thing...hehe. I am not picky when it comes to the looks of my guitars (not that I really can be..since I'm a lefty..), but I couldn't rock that thing. I can't believe that I referred to the guitar as 'that thing', 2 times in one short statement. hehe. I just looks too alien for my liking. I'll stick to my LPs an Mosrite copy.
Does it djent?
Incompetent yet prominent tool design is always interesting no matter what it is, I don't even play guitar
I just wear a strap when I sit n play.
Whatever works! That’s certainly an option as well, but it’s not best for everyone
My levy’s leather strap has two hole on the bridge end. One I use for standing and a shorter one I use when sitting. I’m sure that’s not why it exists. But it works perfectly for sitting playing.
@@andrefludd playing jazz on my electric bass I had to have it the same angle while standing.
Me too, I’m not good enough to practice one way and perform in another.
Yes, I have nylon strap with plastic locking ends with a sliding buckle that can be adjusted easily.
It's not the most comfortable strap (I prefer simple Perri's leather straps with the raw/suede inside) but for home use and going from computer desk, to sofa to a tube amp, etc., around the house, it's convenient and it works great.
The body is a lot like the 1970s Ovation Deacon electric guitar.
Check the pinned comment
I have nothing to say but good lord
Now put it on your right leg. :) I have a couple of vids featuring my Frankinstein Ergo.
and it still sounds ight
9:56 guitars are really ugly alien shapes to me. I like this one because it looks different than the usual ones.
Stele ovation breadwinner or 🍞 🏁😂 deacon bla bla what ever you wanna call it its kinda ugly.
But I do like those odd shaped guitars 🏴☠️😁
bridge and vol/tone of a tele.... why
The headstock is horrendous and doesn't fit the body. Other than that, it's cool in a weird way