Naperville Train Collision 78 years later
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- Опубліковано 24 кві 2024
- Signals, you're life depends on the train crew following them and being correct and if they aren't followed they can lead to haunting consequences. But this accident was a lot more than just a train not properly following signals... it'd kill the future of America's High Speed rail and would start the decline of American rail travel even before the highway invasion.
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RIP to your mom......I hope you see this comment because....I just wanted to say.....I hope you find peace in your mothers passing......she's in a better place now......I also wanted to say I hope you have a great weekend ❤
When did this happen? :'( I don't see him saying anything about it
@@HeroduothecomedianIt's in a video on his channel titled 'Fly High, Mom!'
Well said @Alex-jf9ij
@@Heroduothecomedian She passed last November after a long battle with Stage 4 breast cancer.
I hope you can recover @Thunderbolt_1000_Siren
To realize the diesel electric is almost 100 years old is the hard part.
No, not almost. The first diesel-electric railcar came out in Saxony (which is now part of Germany) in 1914, while the first proper locomotive was an Italian one built in 1922.
Just wait til the realization hits that the steam locomotives ruled the rails for roughly 130 years in the US
I just picked my internship! 2 more years and i can begin training to become a train driver. 5 year old me would be super proud of me now 🙏
*Noice~!! Where at? Amtrak?*
Nah. NS. Nederlandse Spoorwegen.@@EMD_F59PHI
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I plan to be a railroad conductor for Metra when I’m older
Thats actually very cool where did you get the internship at? I'm also a train enthusiasts and It would be a dream job of mine to work for any railroad company. Not quite for driving a train cause I would have to be get my license first but working as a conductor as some sort would be cool.
Fun Fact: as the Naperville Metra station, they have a memorial dedicated to the accident, it’s a nice tribute to the people who died in the accident
@Thunderbolt 1000 Sorry to hear about your mom , I lost mine right before I turned 6 in 1990. I know it hurts right now and no the pain never fully goes away but it does get easier to deal with.
We your fans are here for you and thank you for all the years of hard work you've put in to entertain/educate us.
Life is to short and i got reminded of that recently when Hobo Shoestring died so I want to say thank you again before it's to late.
I subscribed to you
Hard to believe an Aldi was there 78 Years Ago !
Another great job on the documentary, I’ve actually never heard about the Naperville collision, but when i watched the video and now I understand why it hasn’t been talked or documented much until now.
Sorry about what happened to your mother.
It's shocking how very little is known about it considering it's what permanently marred most high speed rail in America.
Also yes. I'm still grieving from her passing everyday. The pain gets stronger everyday.
Hey thunder earlier today I learned about a train collision in Texas that happened back in 1997 the train themselves collided on a highway overpass. The collision is known as the Devine train collision you might want to check it out
Great documentary! One of the trains had a really interesting consist, with the refrigerator car.
God those voices during the recreation only added to the sense of dread as the collison loomed. Incredible work!
Once again, pal, you made another great documentary. I had no idea this accident even existed until today. But made the 45 victims of the accident and your mother rest in peace.
Definitely had never heard of this accident before. Spectacular work as always thunder. Would love to see you tackle the thompsontown PA Conrail collision and how fatigue plagues train crews
Used to live in Naperville, rode over the area where the crash happened many times. To this day, the crash is still talked about plenty of times in the area.
It's good to see that you're uploading again. Hope everything is well in your life. I hope you found peace after your mother passed away.
The problem with three-signals (green-yellow-red) is that a following train one block behind will have a yellow signal (next signal red). If it matched the speed of the lead train, it will always have yellow signals, and the engineer might expect this to continue.. If the lead train stops, the following train will not know until it sees the red signal with possibly the train just past it.
Retired railroader here. Correction in terminology. A cab signal penalty brake application, at least in territory I operated over, did not result in an "emergency" brake application, but a penalty application, which is an automatically initiated brake application at a service rate until either the train comes to a stop or the air in the line is exhausted. The engineer has to move the automatic brake handle to "suppression" until the air quits exhausting. It can only be reset after the train is stopped for a given amount of time, usually a minute, then the Power Control Switch either automatically resets, or on older units, the engineer can press a reset button on the control stand, and can then release the automatic brake and recharge the train line.
17:46 the largest railway museum in the world is in northern Illinois. Most are functional and can be ridden… Definitely a bucket list if you love old trains!
I grew up in Burbank, Illinois, some 40 miles east of Naperville, but I'm not quite 78 years old yet.
Glad to help you out!
You collabing in some way or another with moi was long overdue XD
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@@Thunderbolt_1000_SirenSo why didn't the Exposition Flyer run on one of the outside track? Or stop just before touching the rear end of the Advanced Flyer?
@ExpressRailfan did you watch the video? There wasn't any way to switch it off the track, they were following 2 minutes behind so itd wouldn't be long until they hit, and at his speed there was no way in hell he would of stopped in time especially if he was in service braking and not dumping the air (emergency) but even then they'd still hit em. Accident was doomed to happen.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_SirenYou're quite right, Thunderbolt. I can make a documentary of that too. And remember what you just said. Even though I am a good narrator.
I lost my grandma last year and that just about broke me. She was the best, but I can only imagine how heartbreaking it would be to loose my own mom. I wish her a peaceful afterlife and I wish you all the best.
Sorry about your Grandma, I have lost both my grans, I miss them loads also ❤ From Leeds England
Every time I hear a train accident people die in a devastating fate being crushed by the impact or drowning
Sorry for your loss😢 glad to see you back😊
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Could you please do a documentary on the September 5, 1956 Robinson, N.M. Train Collision?
Another great documentary T-Bolt! Good job!
Only read the accident on Wikipedia, thanks for making this and I didn’t expect this. Keep up the disaster series!
Welcome back friend! Glad to see you active and healing ❤ we love you! Your videos have been entertaining since your beginning!
The wounds of the past few weeks namely my mother's passing will never heal but I have grown to live with it better now. I still wish cancer didn't take her so soon.
Glad to see you back man
You forgot a survivor to your list, the Mississippi still exist today. It was rebuilt by the railroad into a stainless steel business car. This car currently resides on the Allentown And Auburn Railroad in Kutztown Pennsylvania, and is known as the northern lights.
Surprised at how local that is. Finding documents on surviving rolling stock let alone photos of that time period is insanely difficult and the older the wreck, the harder it gets.
The car Mississippi is still around, it now resides at the Allentown and Auburn in kutztown Pennsylvania as the “Northern Lights” and was rebuilt with stainless steel cladding overtop of the steel car. Walking through the car you would never know it was involved in this pretty big derailment and that car itself had deaths inside.
Correct. The MISSISSIPPI was rebuilt at CB&Q's Aurora Shops into the open-platform office car THE ROUND UP. As you mentioned, it was completely sheathed in fluted stainless steel over its steel body, making it one of the heaviest (and smoothest riding) passenger cars on the rails, not far behind the heavily-armored Presidential rail car FERDINAND MAGELLAN.
After the BN merger it was sold into private ownership, having several subsequent owners and homes (including Canada) before coming to Kutztown, PA.
What a video!! Well made I love it! Keep up the good work!
great video. No one tells these documentaries better. Keep it up
Anytime you upload, you always deliver
We’ll done video. It was cool that I was able to learn about an event like this from the town I was born in. Thanks.
always excited to see a new collision doc from you bro. Hope you're doing well and hanging in there.
This is accident I had no idea about! Thanks
Excellent overview and summation - very comprehensive and complete! Keep up the great work please!! Some RRs adopted and installed ATS at great costs. Other RRs that did not adopt ATS were limited to 79mph as seen in their speed limit signs across their system of mainlines. Lastly, headways between trains were increased, use of radios became standard, flares and torpedoes were given a extra review on their use, and LW cars like Budd's CZ cars became prevalent by the mid-50s. These LW cars protected the occupants better since during a derailment, they had less of a battering ram effect compared to HW cars. Tightlock couplers saved lives also.
I grew up in Naperville. We pronounced the factory Cray ler
I was inspired by you to make a UA-cam channel. you have a wonderful channel. Amazing job on these videos. You are a wonderful soul. Great job!
But, I did hear about your mom. I know its tough. Most of us viewers have been there. She is in a better place now. you still are an amazing soul
I read many years ago that it was a common C.B.& Q. practice at the time for following trains to run at speed on the yellow of the proceeding train or section.
Now that's just reckless...
Very nice work!
You did mentioned the wreck at montgomery with the rock island,that can be used for a new video
My grandma was almost in this. If she wasn’t late (to catch one of the trains) I wouldn’t be able to talk to hear and hear her lovely voice. Thank you for covering this because she mentioned it but I don’t know much about this.
Oh wow! What a stroke of luck
@@Thunderbolt_1000_SirenI've also discovered another music you can use in another train wreck documentary.
I love your documentaries man. This definitely will be great
So, another piece of equipment survives from the wreck.
The car was built in 1915 by Barney & Smith as a solarium-lounge car for the SP&S. It was purchased by the Burlington in 1934 as #220, Mississippi.
Rebuilt in 1936 as a solarium-parlor car, renumbered to #340. Named Denver on the right side, Cheyenne on the left, for use on C&S trains #31-32.
Converted to chair car #4811 during WWII, converted back to original configuration, renamed Mississippi and #220 in February 1946.
Severely damaged in a collision of the Advance Flyer and Exposition Flyer at Napierville, Illinois.
The car sat derelict at Aurora, IL for a number of years until it entered the Aurora car shops for conversion into an office car. It emerged from the shops in January 1953 as The Round Up looking much like a Budd built car.
The car was sold to Canadian National in April 1972, resold to Bombardier Limited, resold to Ron Salisbury of Toronto Canada.
Currently under private ownership at the Allentown & Auburn RR in Pennsylvania under the name "Northern Lights"
Good to know. Tracking down surviving rolling stock is such a pain in the neck hence why I only found 2. There could be more for all we know. Finding photos of them too was also difficult.
I love Your Videos keep up the good work.
Favorite channel for trains!! Srry about ur mom bro stay strong!! She wouldn't want yiu sad be stromg! Keep going!
I always think back at Moorgate when I see a video of yours.
Ladies in the cafeteria made sandwiches.
I saw photos and got curious
It’s great that there is now a documentary
Thank you for making this Thunderbolt.
Another amazing video
Thanks
Naperville is about an hour from me. Used to go there frequently. And my dad used to live in Aurora, so this is really close to home
Great video. Nice you did a video on this accident, cause I only found out about it a few months ago. Maybe you can do you a video about the Metro-North train crash on May, 17? 11 anniversary of the collision. Keep up the good work.
Awesome story. Sorry to hear about your mom. Hope she's smiling at you from up there.
We hope you the best😄😉
Wonderful work on the documentary (not biased at all since I remember asking for it a lot, lol). Always felt this wreck in particular deserved a little more attention due to its fallout
Indeed. That's my main goal with these videos. To preserve their history and make sure the stories are never forgotten.
I’m really sorry about your mother’s passing but we all die. Great documentary and never knew about this awful collision
WOW!!!! I didn't even know about this till now. :(
Good work on your Video about the Naperville Train Collision of 1946, Maybe in the Future you could make a Video on CB&Q'S 992a & 992b, when you have the time & day to release it on the day it crashed again in 1964.
If I can find more information on it then yes it'll maybe be a video in future.
As someone who goes over that crossing almost every day it's crazy that I'm passing the site of a massive crash almost every day
I lived near and went to school in Naperville. I never heard about this before!
Your documentaries are very informative. Keep up the good work👍
If you are taking suggestions can you do that one amtrak crash with the sdp40fs that happened in 1977? i dont know what its called but i can find pictures when i search amtrak crash 1977
The crash in Folkston Georgia you're referring to, from what I heard so far, had PTC turned off for signal maintenance and trains were operating on dispatcher permission by radio. A misaligned switch was therefore not noticed until too late. This comment is based on what I heard so far, so I apologize in advance if anything I said was incorrect. The accident happened just twelve days ago.
Sweet! Never seen this wreck before!
Hey Thunderbolt, I have a request. Would you mind doing the Wreck of Old 97? I just found Johnny Cash's song about it and honestly, with how you modelled this disaster, I think it would be really look awesome.
What an amazing documentary!
Thunderbolt's mom, God bless you. You were a very great mother to Thunderbolt.
I'm sorry to hear about your mother. I lost mine December 29th, 2019 to the flu, her COPD didn't help. I still miss her everyday.
It's kinda funny I find out this fact now in this video because my mom actually lived in Naperville when she was a kid, and her grandfather worked on the Soo Line as a switchman
I’m glad they saved one of the E-units; they’re quite attractive with the silver coloring of the CB&Q as well as the streamlined look. I wonder if anyone ever found what came off the stopped train?
That stainless steel body is such a vibe. Would love to see it in person one day.
The reports never specified if they found anything or not so it's hard to say. I do think they should of took the train further though namely the station. I had an incident somewhat similar to what happened on the Advance Flyer that wasn't mentioned in the video from my experience where I worked on a tourist RR (Only difference was there was no train behind us) during a christmas excursion our coach lost power but instead of an immediate stop (right near a rock cut) I told my engineer "stop at the village" (A location we use sometimes for weddings and what not) which was just less than a mile further up the track. He agreed and we stopped there so we could jump down on a good spot to investigate (as I thought the generator had shut down) & to the passengers it looks like a station stop (despite the announcment of why we stopped) turns out the 240V plug to the generator somehow got yanked by something on the right of way and there was no more plug (nothing but wires). We had to run an extension cable from the next car ahead (Cafe) to get lighting back in the coach. Learned a lot that day as I was a student conductor at the time. We never found the plug nor what the hell hit it.
Wheres the route from? It looks nice. Also great work as usual! And sorry what happened to your mom.
Love your documentary I think looking in to the grandvile detail mean In Australia could be interesting
This was a great video, keep it up! I'm glad these videos still happen even though your mom just passed. I hope you can recover and get better, and remember, your mom is in a better place🙂
Wow. Very well put together history. The end was beautiful. Thank you.
I am actually going to be at galveston tx rr museum tomorrow through sunday. Will have to check that car out.
I was wondering if Thunderbolt will make a documentary on more Japanese train wrecks, I would be intrested in seeing that and the only one he did cover was Amagaski
OMG IM A BIG FAN OF UR DOCUMENTARYS THANK YOU FOR POSTING A NEW ONE
I am so sorry your mom. I am here for you.
This is scarier then my profile.
First and the most important thing, I'm sorry for you loss. RIP to your mother. I hope you and your family are doing well, and are be able to find peace.
As for the subject in question, when it comes to mixing heavyweight equipment and lightweight equipment in the same consists. Mixing of both types of equipment would be a regular occurance right up to Amtrak. The CB&Q even mixed heavyweights with its gallery cars in commuter service into the late 60s.
One can argue the lightweight passenger cars were built strictly to supplement the existing heavyweight equipment, and they did to a degree. There were many rebuilds on heavyweight equipment by the railroads, and even Pullman themselves capitalized on rebuilding heavyweights. The rebuilds included roller bearings, tightlock couplers, sealed windows, lowered ends to match the lightweight passenger cars, etc.
I have a question what game is that that you simulate the trains on?
Sorry for your lose buddy I am always be her for u pal
Can you make a documentary of the dead mans curve head on collision of 1904 in missouri?
That must be terrifying
Yes my trapped wind tonight via exactly the same, I can feel a huge fart bubbling 🆙
E5 Was Traded for Sd40-S and both were after that specifically shortly thereafter
well made
I don't know what to say. This video just came out of nowhere. I just hope that no one dies from a train crash ever again.
RIP to your mother 😞😞😞
Great documentary tho!
I grew up in Naperville, had no idea this accident was ever a thing.
do you have any more train crash documents you want to do
Can you please do a remaster of the 2015 frankford junctuon wreck On may 12th?
At 17:45 you mention engine number 9911A, named the Silver Pilot, as the sole surviving E5.
The way it sounded was that 991A was involved in the crash. It took me a few minutes to figure out that you meant 9911A is the only EMD E5 still around.
Maybe you should have mentioned 9911A at the end of when you were telling about the equipment involved in the crash. But this is your channel. Run it as you please. This was just an observation.
Do you think you can talk about the wreck of the Transcon?
Very Sorry
I dont know if NJ transit trains have PTC, but they go 100mph on the northeast corridor. Great ride.
The accident that changed North American railroads forever!
Was that your voice acting at 4:40 because that was pretty good acting
No that was Raillashup productions. One of the train wreck documentary guys inspired by my work. A collab with him was long overdue.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren ooohh ok
Back in the forties my mom and grandma were on a bus on a trip from Southern Illinois when it crashed killing everyone but them. Mom walked away and grandma broke her foot
Wait can you do the 1964 rock island train collision please?
Fun fact: The speed limit of 79 miles per hour, if applied during the wreck, would have saved ZERO lives. The Exposition Flyer would have been slowed down by 1mph by the law. It still would have slammed into the other train at high spoed.
truely amazing safety regulations! good job government!!!!
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I still never fully understood that. I would of questioned it during the video otherwise. Though I think that's because some railroads including CB&Q operated at max of 90-100mph too. Either way yeah 79mph didn't change anything. He just didn't acknowledge the approach properly. If I were an engineer I'd cut my speed the minute the signal was in view, not after passing it.