What sticks out to me is how we take these walls for granted , As you two guys seem to be on your own most of the time , and yet we still dont know enough about the builders, and its the same style all around the world . Really amazing lost tech , that stands the test of time .Thanks for posting,
Thank you for producing another exceptional video documenting these amazing ancient megalithic sites. That archway twisting from acute to obtuse angles highlights the skill level of these ancient engineers. This site contains the most unique examples of polygonal architecture and I love how it’s blended with traditional rectangular blocks. 🙌👏
On google earth there is a canal maybe 150 meters north of the 'ship shed' that goes to the sea about 3 km to the west. One has to believe that part of that canal is pretty ancient...Great little video, I never cease to be amazed...
Vertical crazy paving ! The best so far ! Perhaps those turrets and the other rectangular walling were added at a later date ? These places are beautiful. Thanks for sharing !
Obviously, the Romans were not the first to build a true arch. Thank you, Miko and Deborah, for expanding our wonder and awareness of the vast ancient world -- as well as my bucket list!
I visited ancient places completely without visitors in Greece in winter in the 1960's. What remained in memory was the strong spiritual feeling of the land.
Amazing work you are . Doing I've been interested in Bronze Age and Mycenaean Greece for the past 30 odd years and I haven't come across any of these sites. Which makes me wonder why 🤔
I would love to be a fly on the proverbial polygonal wall when they were building this. Those huge stones,carrying and shaping them must have taken quite the effort.
Shipyard?? looks like a bathing cistern ro some more practical purpose especially after seeing the beautiful landscape panorama later in the report. Thank you both for presenting this delightful site.
They should fix that one ,the replacement of the stones are really obvious,but the removal of Root's/and or infill 'colapsed ,not so obvious.when I was in Puglia ,the old had time and energy for fixing a million miles of polygonal Wall's,but the financially struggling youth had a widespread distance for repairing old wall's or waisting all/any of their time thinking about them,as we do.thats why these site's need international attention,and funding or they are left in poor regions to be pulled apart by root's.really appreciate you bringing these site's to the world.amazing and unique
Ancient people knew what they were doing. It's obvious those crazy angles and puzzle like cuts to make the stones fit are there for a reason. I can only think that it's to make the walls more earthquake proof. Square blocks would collapse easier.
Well, the square blocks of the turrets are still there, as much as the polygonal walls around... Polygonal masonry first of all spares cutting efforts, as you roughly keep the original shape of the rock. You just have to be clever with the placement, and sometime adapt the stone already beside or below, creating strange patterns. Depending on the natural shapes given by geology, you'll end with different patterns. Sometime the rock comes in boulders (like here), sometime it come in layers (like in Egypt)...
Thanks for the comment. I don't think that they built polygonal to do less work. If you watch this video of a polygonal wall being built in modern times, you'll notice that the amount of work is actually a lot more compared to square blocks, because each block, to be adapted to fit tightly to the previous, needs to be positioned and taken down several times. Now imagine doing that with 200+ kg blocks at 2-3 m height, and it becomes a massive job ua-cam.com/video/nSs_qrM_5No/v-deo.html
@@florianartus3231 I agree, it's a lot less effort. I have also seen the other video link and still think it's much easier then dressing 6 faces of a cube, irrespective of size.
Well, the Romans sourced the cubic blocks directly in the quarry, already in that shape, which then of course needed to be made smooth. You can see this at a Roman quarry in this video at 10:45 ua-cam.com/video/KHnZUUOYGdM/v-deo.html. Now, unless we assume that the whole hill was full of loose blocks (thousands if not more) which were then adapted in the polygonal wall, also the polygonal blocks would have to be quarried somewhere. Why quarry them with random shapes and then adapt them individually when you could quarry them directly pretty much in the final shape? Why put them in place on the wall and take them down to adapt multiple times when you could give them an initial cubic shape (already from the quarrying) which would make them certainly fit once smoothed, brought and placed on the wall? Furthermore, the polygonal stones in Greece are not that big, but other places, like Cosa in italy ( ua-cam.com/video/SargCH8f2aY/v-deo.html ) have multiton blocks at 4-5 meters height. I really cannot see some ancient people with ropes and pulleys doing that for each block, especially on a hill.
Thankyou for another excellent video. I can't help but wonder what sort of catastrophe was responsible for demolishing these sites, especially when we consider the fact that polygonal walls are known to withstand earth quakes. Eitherway thanks again for the video. 👍👌👏.
Very good images. If there would have been a shipyard, they needed water nearby. At what time there was a river or another see connection leading to this area? The see level couldn't have been that high as it would need deglaciation on a mass scale. The brown colored stones of the tower may be from a later time restoration with different type of rock.
amzing and great quality video, thanks for sharing!! There appears to be a PUMA's PAW at time 5:44 (bottom right corner) which looks almost exactly the same as the puma's paw in Cusco!!
I have seen many such walls in Greece and Turkey, although South America steals the limelight. It seems the most ridiculous and complex way to build a wall...even with magic! Thiskola!
As a Cypriot Australian I am educated well. From 12 k years abrihamic religions and others were formed . Prior to that to 35 k religions were similar from the inkas and the pacific made the same walls etc. Prior to 35k years to 60 to 80 k it was one belief and made the same structures . We humans have evolved but lost alot due to religious aspects.
12:24 The plain around Oiniades was, in ancient times, largely under water. The Oiniades city overlooked a series of shallow lakes, and the waters of the largest, Lake Melita (named after a nymph), lapped around the city just below its walls. Lake Melita opened onto the Acheloos, and the island city of Oiniades traded down the river to the sea. The island was at one time one of the group which is still clustered around the present-day mouth of the river, some ten kilometres downstream. AT 38.411850015334764, 21.20204734857806 are a strange circular azur greenblue pond of some sort.
The polygonal walls could date from about 1200 BCE, while obvious there was much rebuilding well into the classical periods. The square turret and the top wall left of the arch seem to be later, but the layers over the arch are also quite rectangular. So it might be later as well. What a beautiful place. And so quiet. Thank you.
Thank you immensely for sharing this video!! The turret beginning at 5:15 shows polygonal walls making up the center and lower right side of the structure, as well as the adjoining wall on the right. The square stones appear to be a later addition probably by Philip V of Macedon. Were the square stones smoothed on the surface or were they left unfinished and convex? Additionally, at 7:05 it appears that the wall was built with an inner side and an outer side and between them it looks like fill stones were deposited during construction. Do you think the wall could have been constructed in this manner? Again Thank You for sharing this video!!😊
I don't think so, if you compare with the other turrets, and the left side of the theater, the things blend quite smoothly. They just refined the masonry for the turrets, which is logical with the sharp angles you can't use round boulders. It is classical, in architecture, to change your building technique for different features. Walls were rough (excepted for the railing probably), turrets were more finished (faces planed, neat angles, cornices), but from the same builders.
Here is the thing. These walls are prehistoric and thousands of years old but they are not covered with dirt or buried underground like all the newer classic era monuments that are roughly 2.500 years old. How is that possible??????
I am so baffled by polygonal masonry...I think it would be thousands of times harder to build a wall like that than it would be to cut stones into cubes/blocks to build a wall. It's so difficult, it just doesn't seem like people would EVER do it ...but there it is for all to see!!
Two different construction processes the polygonal being from an earlier period and the square masonry later added as maintenance and additional structures thus occupying ancient ruins.
What an interesting channel you guys have. I´m currently fascinated visiting those unbelievable places that make me realize how plagued Greece is of these kind of ruins. To me its pretty obvious that the civilization that built all these places is so massive, because I´ve also been literally hunting these mother civilization all around the globe, and there seems to be no place where you dont find proof of the existance of this so advanced culture. Thank you for your videos, they´re amazing. And can I ask you please to spend more time showing us in more detail the theater areas? To me they are especially interesting because I´ve got the theory that it wasn´t the greeks who invented them, as we believe. Hugs from Mexico guys!! 😇
I agree, after this trip I got to the idea that the theaters existed well before the hellenistic era. More theaters to come, even though often you cannot enter the theater area...
@@StoneRiddles wow, thats great to know then that im not the only one who thinks theaters are not greek. Im sorry to hear that you cannot enter the theater area sometimes, yet i cant wait to see more videos of yours. Thank you for answering. Hugs from Mexico. 💫
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Absolutely pertinent question. It's limestone. The only place we've seen something other than limestone or sandstone is at the acropolis of Methana, where some kind of porous basalt or tuff was used (but that's a volcanic peninsula). You can see it here: ua-cam.com/video/0YucYn8-6F8/v-deo.html
A most phenomenal example of megalith architecture. Most compelling is the height of the gateway! How could this be Homo Sapien Sapiens? The size of tools, transport conveyances? A distinct time and individuals. 😮
It is unlikely the stones were found with the flat faces and sharp edges on them, it is likely the stones were cut to a shape. The stones forming the arch are like the stones used in more recent times it can be seen the load of the arch is transfered to the walls. The shape of the arch is that of a cart filled with hay. The arch is high enough to allow person on horses to pass under. The pillar at the gate entrance seems to be for a gate closed stop. Perhaps the more than 90 degree angle had a purpose such as to make a slieght corner - slow down to enter. On the tower is a line of stones near the top which protrude somewhat - decoration - defining a point. Similar to the corner stones that have been cut on each side which emphasises, defines the corner. Stone walling of more recent times was often built with two leaves - outside and inside - with rubble fill. Field stone walls often had stones that went from one side to the other to help to hold the wall together. There were names for the differnt type of stones/shapes. On the next tower there seems to be the bottom of an arrow slit/window. Another rounded column like stone very much like the one at the other site. Surrounding flat land if that was a boat shed then is its time of use before 12,000 yrs or 21,000 years ago? A time before the said times of some ice ages when sea levels dropped.
My guess is near the end of the great deluge of Noah’s time the earth was much much more unstable with seismic activity with the fountains of the deep being broken open and emptied and being then filled back in with all the antediluvian debris, building in an earthquake and tremor resistant method would have been essential, the fact that these polygonal structures remain tightly fit yet after thousands of years seems to prove this building technique was to ensure its longevity
Well, not easy to say, but I can suggest my documentary about polygonal walls in Italy where I investigate the subject ua-cam.com/video/qV05fF9z1fQ/v-deo.html
Very nice that stonework speaks for itself
What sticks out to me is how we take these walls for granted , As you two guys seem to be on your own most of the time , and yet we still dont know enough about the builders, and its the same style all around the world . Really amazing lost tech , that stands the test of time .Thanks for posting,
Hello, I believe we really don't know nothing about the builders, it's all just guesses.
Not same.
Mirko points out several distinct types .
Another great video. Very informative coverage of sites rarely mentioned.
Much appreciated!
Thank you for producing another exceptional video documenting these amazing ancient megalithic sites. That archway twisting from acute to obtuse angles highlights the skill level of these ancient engineers. This site contains the most unique examples of polygonal architecture and I love how it’s blended with traditional rectangular blocks. 🙌👏
On google earth there is a canal maybe 150 meters north of the 'ship shed' that goes to the sea about 3 km to the west. One has to believe that part of that canal is pretty ancient...Great little video, I never cease to be amazed...
WATCHING FROM ALBERTA CANADA...ABSOLUTELY AWESOME STONE WORK...
Amazing⭐⭐⭐⭐
Vertical crazy paving ! The best so far ! Perhaps those turrets and the other rectangular walling were added at a later date ? These places are beautiful. Thanks for sharing !
Obviously, the Romans were not the first to build a true arch. Thank you, Miko and Deborah, for expanding our wonder and awareness of the vast ancient world -- as well as my bucket list!
Magnificent masonry ! Thank you for sharing your efforts .
I visited ancient places completely without visitors in Greece in winter in the 1960's. What remained in memory was the strong spiritual feeling of the land.
Very enjoyable and relaxing. Love those polygonal walls. Addicting ,aren’t they? Ciao for now.🥃
Amazing work you are . Doing I've been interested in Bronze Age and Mycenaean Greece for the past 30 odd years and I haven't come across any of these sites. Which makes me wonder why 🤔
I would love to be a fly on the proverbial polygonal wall when they were building this. Those huge stones,carrying and shaping them must have taken quite the effort.
Thanks for what you do. You are appreciated.
My pleasure!
Wow that's amazing masonry skill! Beautiful walls so much fantastic finess layed block.😎💯🎉
Excellent post! Fascinating. Thank you.
I like how you think, nice video.
Shipyard?? looks like a bathing cistern ro some more practical purpose especially after seeing the beautiful landscape panorama later in the report. Thank you both for presenting this delightful site.
ja was soll man sagen? atemberaubend, man drückt immer wieder auf stopp und staunt einfach nur.
Mind Boggling!... And Brilliant....Thanks for Sharing Guys!...
Glad you enjoyed it!
They should fix that one ,the replacement of the stones are really obvious,but the removal of Root's/and or infill 'colapsed ,not so obvious.when I was in Puglia ,the old had time and energy for fixing a million miles of polygonal Wall's,but the financially struggling youth had a widespread distance for repairing old wall's or waisting all/any of their time thinking about them,as we do.thats why these site's need international attention,and funding or they are left in poor regions to be pulled apart by root's.really appreciate you bringing these site's to the world.amazing and unique
I love this channel, great content 👏👏👏👏
Just incredible AGAIN !
Thank you
Great work
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OMG!🤦 Unbelievable!
Je peut vous dire que ce site est très ancien bien plus que vous l’imaginé
Ancient people knew what they were doing. It's obvious those crazy angles and puzzle like cuts to make the stones fit are there for a reason. I can only think that it's to make the walls more earthquake proof. Square blocks would collapse easier.
Great explanation! My father said the same thing when he saw those walls.
Well, the square blocks of the turrets are still there, as much as the polygonal walls around...
Polygonal masonry first of all spares cutting efforts, as you roughly keep the original shape of the rock. You just have to be clever with the placement, and sometime adapt the stone already beside or below, creating strange patterns.
Depending on the natural shapes given by geology, you'll end with different patterns. Sometime the rock comes in boulders (like here), sometime it come in layers (like in Egypt)...
Thanks for the comment. I don't think that they built polygonal to do less work. If you watch this video of a polygonal wall being built in modern times, you'll notice that the amount of work is actually a lot more compared to square blocks, because each block, to be adapted to fit tightly to the previous, needs to be positioned and taken down several times. Now imagine doing that with 200+ kg blocks at 2-3 m height, and it becomes a massive job ua-cam.com/video/nSs_qrM_5No/v-deo.html
@@florianartus3231 I agree, it's a lot less effort. I have also seen the other video link and still think it's much easier then dressing 6 faces of a cube, irrespective of size.
Well, the Romans sourced the cubic blocks directly in the quarry, already in that shape, which then of course needed to be made smooth. You can see this at a Roman quarry in this video at 10:45 ua-cam.com/video/KHnZUUOYGdM/v-deo.html. Now, unless we assume that the whole hill was full of loose blocks (thousands if not more) which were then adapted in the polygonal wall, also the polygonal blocks would have to be quarried somewhere. Why quarry them with random shapes and then adapt them individually when you could quarry them directly pretty much in the final shape? Why put them in place on the wall and take them down to adapt multiple times when you could give them an initial cubic shape (already from the quarrying) which would make them certainly fit once smoothed, brought and placed on the wall? Furthermore, the polygonal stones in Greece are not that big, but other places, like Cosa in italy ( ua-cam.com/video/SargCH8f2aY/v-deo.html ) have multiton blocks at 4-5 meters height. I really cannot see some ancient people with ropes and pulleys doing that for each block, especially on a hill.
2:20: my God, it is beautiful!
complimenti per i bellissimi video ! ;)
Thankyou for another excellent video.
I can't help but wonder what sort of catastrophe was responsible for demolishing these sites, especially when we consider the fact that polygonal walls are known to withstand earth quakes.
Eitherway thanks again for the video.
👍👌👏.
Very good images. If there would have been a shipyard, they needed water nearby. At what time there was a river or another see connection leading to this area? The see level couldn't have been that high as it would need deglaciation on a mass scale. The brown colored stones of the tower may be from a later time restoration with different type of rock.
amzing and great quality video, thanks for sharing!! There appears to be a PUMA's PAW at time 5:44 (bottom right corner) which looks almost exactly the same as the puma's paw in Cusco!!
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I have seen many such walls in Greece and Turkey, although South America steals the limelight. It seems the most ridiculous and complex way to build a wall...even with magic! Thiskola!
Oeneus was an Aetolian hero who learn the art of viniculture from Dionysus. The city was on the river Archelous.
The sheep shed is obviously a quarry with structural work inside the quarry.
Fantastic videos. New subscriber. How did they move these megalithic stones? Why polygonal?
As a Cypriot Australian I am educated well. From 12 k years abrihamic religions and others were formed . Prior to that to 35 k religions were similar from the inkas and the pacific made the same walls etc. Prior to 35k years to 60 to 80 k it was one belief and made the same structures . We humans have evolved but lost alot due to religious aspects.
12:24 The plain around Oiniades was, in ancient times, largely under water. The Oiniades city overlooked a series of shallow lakes, and the waters of the largest, Lake Melita (named after a nymph), lapped around the city just below its walls. Lake Melita opened onto the Acheloos, and the island city of Oiniades traded down the river to the sea. The island was at one time one of the group which is still clustered around the present-day mouth of the river, some ten kilometres downstream. AT 38.411850015334764, 21.20204734857806 are a strange circular azur greenblue pond of some sort.
Thanks, I think some of the different types of polygonal masonry are named after different Aegean islands.
block at 13:36 right of center appears to a ba a signature block
They were able to see the patterns in the stone! It’s all they had
Square corner stones with vertical mechanically finished straight edging!
Arch was first known to be used in Mesopotamia in ca 2,000 BC.
What is the age of this structure ?
The polygonal walls could date from about 1200 BCE, while obvious there was much rebuilding well into the classical periods. The square turret and the top wall left of the arch seem to be later, but the layers over the arch are also quite rectangular. So it might be later as well.
What a beautiful place. And so quiet. Thank you.
I wish the antiquities authorities would do reconstruction with fallen masonry
@12:50 No sign of the earths curve anywhere. 🙂.
Thank you immensely for sharing this video!!
The turret beginning at 5:15 shows polygonal walls making up the center and lower right side of the structure, as well as the adjoining wall on the right. The square stones appear to be a later addition probably by Philip V of Macedon. Were the square stones smoothed on the surface or were they left unfinished and convex?
Additionally, at 7:05 it appears that the wall was built with an inner side and an outer side and between them it looks like fill stones were deposited during construction. Do you think the wall could have been constructed in this manner?
Again Thank You for sharing this video!!😊
I don't think so, if you compare with the other turrets, and the left side of the theater, the things blend quite smoothly. They just refined the masonry for the turrets, which is logical with the sharp angles you can't use round boulders. It is classical, in architecture, to change your building technique for different features. Walls were rough (excepted for the railing probably), turrets were more finished (faces planed, neat angles, cornices), but from the same builders.
7:20: a ship shed? Strange, I have heard that water level has increased since antiquity?
These walls were not carved individually.
Here is the thing. These walls are prehistoric and thousands of years old but they are not covered with dirt or buried underground like all the newer classic era monuments that are roughly 2.500 years old. How is that possible??????
it would be nice if you would write more info wehere you filmed exactly. never enough details is filmed. OMBIO channel.
you can find all the places shown on google maps in this video ua-cam.com/video/Ow168stx8Tc/v-deo.html
Top notch video my friend! 👏👏 please keep us informed of these amazing sites
More to come!
I am so baffled by polygonal masonry...I think it would be thousands of times harder to build a wall like that than it would be to cut stones into cubes/blocks to build a wall. It's so difficult, it just doesn't seem like people would EVER do it ...but there it is for all to see!!
Two different construction processes the polygonal being from an earlier period and the square masonry later added as maintenance and additional structures thus occupying ancient ruins.
It’s a shipyard, for building ships , there would have been a river or canal going to this point
Possibly or likely predeluvial
What were the ancients up to ? Thoroughly enjoying your content & thoughts .
thanks, really appreciated!
The way they made the arch is just having a laugh.
What an interesting channel you guys have. I´m currently fascinated visiting those unbelievable places that make me realize how plagued Greece is of these kind of ruins. To me its pretty obvious that the civilization that built all these places is so massive, because I´ve also been literally hunting these mother civilization all around the globe, and there seems to be no place where you dont find proof of the existance of this so advanced culture. Thank you for your videos, they´re amazing. And can I ask you please to spend more time showing us in more detail the theater areas? To me they are especially interesting because I´ve got the theory that it wasn´t the greeks who invented them, as we believe. Hugs from Mexico guys!! 😇
I agree, after this trip I got to the idea that the theaters existed well before the hellenistic era. More theaters to come, even though often you cannot enter the theater area...
@@StoneRiddles wow, thats great to know then that im not the only one who thinks theaters are not greek. Im sorry to hear that you cannot enter the theater area sometimes, yet i cant wait to see more videos of yours. Thank you for answering. Hugs from Mexico. 💫
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How far is this from a waterway? I bet Lydar could find it.
Again, the message has been received. Ahamlakabada is coming.
Are the walls made of limestone or of volcanic stones? Sorry the question is perhaps stupid...
Absolutely pertinent question. It's limestone. The only place we've seen something other than limestone or sandstone is at the acropolis of Methana, where some kind of porous basalt or tuff was used (but that's a volcanic peninsula). You can see it here: ua-cam.com/video/0YucYn8-6F8/v-deo.html
Earthquake territory for thousands of years :)
A most phenomenal example of megalith architecture. Most compelling is the height of the gateway! How could this be Homo Sapien Sapiens? The size of tools, transport conveyances? A distinct time and individuals. 😮
woaouw ! thank's Mirko .tell me how they have put these so bigs on the top .?there is a sens and goal to theses build .
Looks like Peru albeit smaller stones same technique
Earthquake resistant.
i cant find any other source of info on that puma state. you rich? somebody alredy bought that couriosoty?
the piramidiots dont show behind and between the the stones in the wall. than no mistery. no business? but there is still misteries, contact me
It is unlikely the stones were found with the flat faces and sharp edges on them, it is likely the stones were cut to a shape. The stones forming the arch are like the stones used in more recent times it can be seen the load of the arch is transfered to the walls. The shape of the arch is that of a cart filled with hay. The arch is high enough to allow person on horses to pass under. The pillar at the gate entrance seems to be for a gate closed stop. Perhaps the more than 90 degree angle had a purpose such as to make a slieght corner - slow down to enter. On the tower is a line of stones near the top which protrude somewhat - decoration - defining a point. Similar to the corner stones that have been cut on each side which emphasises, defines the corner. Stone walling of more recent times was often built with two leaves - outside and inside - with rubble fill. Field stone walls often had stones that went from one side to the other to help to hold the wall together. There were names for the differnt type of stones/shapes. On the next tower there seems to be the bottom of an arrow slit/window. Another rounded column like stone very much like the one at the other site. Surrounding flat land if that was a boat shed then is its time of use before 12,000 yrs or 21,000 years ago? A time before the said times of some ice ages when sea levels dropped.
statue.. my keyboard got wet..
My guess is near the end of the great deluge of Noah’s time the earth was much much more unstable with seismic activity with the fountains of the deep being broken open and emptied and being then filled back in with all the antediluvian debris, building in an earthquake and tremor resistant method would have been essential, the fact that these polygonal structures remain tightly fit yet after thousands of years seems to prove this building technique was to ensure its longevity
4000 bc?
Okay, archeologists are saying 4th to 3rd for these examples of polygonal architecture. How old do you think polygonal architecture really is??
Well, not easy to say, but I can suggest my documentary about polygonal walls in Italy where I investigate the subject ua-cam.com/video/qV05fF9z1fQ/v-deo.html
curiosity
@unchartedx