Cliff Thorburn looks back on his 147 and Snooker Referee Brendan Moore talks about retirement.
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- After Kyren Wilson made a 147 in the 2023 WC, Hazel Irvine chats with Shaun Murphy and Ken Doherty as they look back on the first 147 at the Crucible by Cliff Thorburn. Abigail Davies then chats with snooker referee Brendan Moore who will retire after the World Championships.
Never knew Cliff lost a baby at that moment. Extremely sad. What a guy.
Nor me dude… life is seriously twisted at times
He didn't even look pregnant!
That’s a sin. How horrible for him.
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@robertmcaree What a stupid comment.
Jack saying "good luck mate" is a core memory for me
Such a wonderful and proud Canadian memory of Cliff Thorburn (147) I was 12 yrs old, Northern Ontario, Canada. So sad to know he lost a baby then too. Heart breaking. This is first time hearing that.
I remember that day we were talking about it at the Golden Cue. Joe me and Paul. Kirk Stevens came by later in the day. Sammy and Kirk used to play snooker all day long but we talked a lot that day. It was a sad day.
The moment he said him and his wife lost their baby nearly had me in tears!
I personally know both Cliff Thorburn and Kirk Stevens. Kirk still lives in Scarborough and Cliff lives in Unionville. My father used to golf with Cliff. My brother taught Cliff's son Brett at Trudeau secondary school. Once he heard that last name Thorburn it was all A's. I remember Kirk when he was just 12 years old playing snooker at The Golden Cue in Scarborough and Joe the owner let him play for free. Joe used to back him for anyone who wanted to play for cash. He never went to school at Bendale they used to phone the pool hall every morning at 9:30am. I remember Cliff from the 1970's at Le Spot a snooker and pool hall in Scarborough he was the 50 percent owner. I just live a city east of Unionville.
Great stuff. Loved watching Kirk Stevens back in the day. A real showman. Should have won a World Title. I suppose discipline let him down but he was great to watch in his white suit! His 147 against Jimmy White was also phenomenal.
Cliff always a LEGEND to us Brits, a true gentleman of the game. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
What a legend. I always enjoyed watching Cliff and he is a true gentleman. I was surprised that he left the cue ball so far from the yellow and the green when he played those shots, but he was so calm all the way through it. I was saddened to hear about his baby though - I am so sorry for his loss.
well done Cliff.....remember watching you in the late 70's early 80's......such a gent!!..
He made us Canadians proud. Thanks Cliff!
There is another video taken in 1984 at the Masters when both Cliff and Kirk speak about their 147s ua-cam.com/video/kA8fzzpKd9o/v-deo.html
@@digeme69 I know both Cliff and Kirk Stevens all the way back when they were teenagers. Cliff lives one city west of me in Unionville, Ontario and Kirk still lives in Scarborough. I golfed with Cliff so did my father. I know Cliff way back when he was part owner of a snooker and pool hall called Le Spot in Scarborough, Ontario in the mid 1970;s. My brother used to teach Brett, Cliff's son at Trudeau secondary school in Markham, Ontario. I know Kirk all the way back from Scarborough in the 1970's. He never went to high school at Bendale they used to phone the Golden Cue every morning at 9:30am to make sure he was there. Joe never charged him money to play ever.
Such a lovely man. I've seen multiple interviews, and his sense of humour and fun shines through. Always positive talking about other players. I wish we had more Canadians playing snooker on TV!
Even more special, in a sad sense, to know that his wife lost her baby before Cliff gave us all so much joy. And I'm sure we all would have given our deepest commiserations if we'd known at the time. What a bitter sweet feeling.
Cliff Thorburn with that 147, has to be the most stylish breaks I've ever seen in old school snooker.
A really lovely man
Cliff Thorburn along with Doug Mountjoy my two favourite players from the days gone by!❤
Cliff was a match for anybody when Alex and Steve were about great player great guy 😎👍🎱🎱🎱🎱🎱🎱
Ought to be a statue commemorating Cliff and this great sporting moment in our shared hometown of Victoria BC!
A true gentleman. He came to our club in East Sussex to do an exhibition, and my dad played him. He was brilliant, funny and provided some excellent entertainment. Snooker is much richer due to Cliff Thorburn.
I would like to see Cliff play again, I used to watch him play at the Golden Mille , when he l played with some of the players in the 1960’’, that were regulars there.
I my self started to play there, John and Dennis ran the Mille club.
I have a lot of memories from there, watching all the good players who played there, and came from all over the city.
I learned many things then, I still play today, and I am 78!!
I still love the game and play on my own table. I play snooker and all the American pool games on my snooker table, the pockets are regulation snooker size. However I use the proper size pool balls for the American pool games larger balls than the snooker ones. This makes those games really more challenging. Much more fun to make it tougher.
Thanks 🙏 🎱🎱
I would like to add I also watched Kirk Steven play snooker as well, he has been a favourite player of mime, I am very proud that I have a rare cure which has his name on it, the cue was made by Adam cue a two piece. I brought it at snooker Canada when the club first started. So I am very close to those players.
Interesting. Thanks for that, Wayne. Where is the Golden Mille club? The World Seniors tournament is on at the moment so you might be able to catch a few players from the past. I watched Tony Knowles today. Like all of us, looking much older. I remember when he was hitting the front pages of the tabloids, and *not* for his snooker!
If I was lucky enough to own a snooker table and could play either snooker or pool, to be honest I don't think I'd *ever* play pool.
Okay, well, straight back and straight through, Wayne. Regards,
@@renejean2523 just to let you know, l play pool now because most people I play or run in to all play pool, they say snooker is to hard.
So I have to play more pool, than snooker.
@@renejean2523 also the golden Mille is at Ellington and Victoria Park, in Scarborough, Queen Elizabeth came to Canada soon after her coronation and opened the Mille
I was a fan of all 3 Canadians. My dad spoke to Kirk Stevens at St Pancras Station in 1985, Kirk was taking the train to Derby for the British Open. I saw Big Bill play many times live, and my father and I spoke with Bill at the Connaught Rooms in London. Did you ever see Bill Werbeniuk in the club you mentioned?
@@digeme69 no, I saw George Chenier there Cliff and Kirk, played with him a lot along with other top players of the time, I imagine that some of them are not with us now!
What a great character, as a kid i always thought cliff looked almost cowboy like with that moustache 🤣🤣 great player, slow but assured
If Cliff wouldnt fluke the 1st red then Terry could have been the one with the 1st 147
"Uncle" Jack Karnehm was the Peter Alliss of snooker, any game you were watching was better when he was commentating.
I remember my sister in law suddenly getting interested in snooker when she found out Cliff's nickname was the grinder.
I thought cliff died years ago, I'm glad he is still alive
I always knew Cliff Thorburn would keep his hair into old age, he just had one of those hairlines that you know is going nowhere.
He was at the centre of Cue ExtensionGate.
It seemed Cliff had to overcome many less than satisfactory pots on his way to the 147. In other words, he followed up with a great shot. The last shot was not easy either.
brilliant
Awwwww GOOD LUCK mate
He finished with 151 points wonder if that has been done again? Foul by Terry 3rd shot i think?
The highest score in tournament play was set recently at 178 by Jimmy Robertson.
strange about the cash
Quite bizarre really, I've never heard the comment about "one can't receive more than the winner" but I knew they tried to diddle him saying that the high break and 147 were one prize, so could only pay him once. What a cheek!
@@digeme69 Totally felt that was out of order on the organisers there. Man gives us an iconic moment in snooker history and they pull that stunt on him.
thought he was great in Game of Thrones as well....
Except the kids of today are making a mockery of how easy the game is
so he scored 151 poiints in total :)
Light up an embassy
Can't believe how greedy and unscrupulous the sponsor's were to deny Cliff what was rightfully
his they knew a 147 could happen so why wouldn't they have said something before the Championships began.
Why the awful music?
Met him at the crucible ..top guy made history
I nearly got a 147, but I missed the first black.🫣
As old as the hills lad.
Jack Karnheim's "Good luck mate" is one of the greatest moments in sports commentary.
100%.
What a gent Cliff is, the fact that an event that brings so much joy to Snooker fans who witnessed it and to those who have heard of it through it's Legendary status within the Sport's history is, to Cliff, eternally bound to such a tragic event in his life is very sad.
Right, Cliff, you were young, at the peak of your powers, congrats, all of snooker in Canada was the better for it, your a lovely chap, have nothing but admiration for your love of the game.
Thanks for posting this fabulous interview I remember watching the 147 live. Iconic. Tremendous telly.
I have another video taken in 1984 at the Masters where Cliff and Kirk speak about their 147s ua-cam.com/video/kA8fzzpKd9o/v-deo.html
Thorburn came through three final-frame deciders in that WC: 13-12 v Griffiths in the 2nd round, 13-12 v Kirk Stevens in the QF and 16-15 v Tony Knowles in a ridiculously dramatic semi-final which finished well after midnight. The next day he had to start the final against Steve Davis, who had crushed Alex Higgins 16-5 and Eddie Charlton 13-5 in his previous two matches, so was fresher and more rested. Thorburn was also processing his wife's miscarriage. The final was a one-sided affair, perhaps not surprisingly. Davis was the better player, no question, but Thorburn's physical and mental exhaustion played their parts in that final.
Well written mate
They should reimburse him with whatever they withdrew from him also . Embarrassing.
Real characters back then ,Although it's moved on greatly the standard and pressures very much higher than it once was I miss those days . As a young lad in the early 70s I frequently went to Butlins/ Pontins . Morecambe Bay , Middleton Towers. Claim to fame was I had my photo taken 3 years on the trot with the wonderful Mr John Spencer who would play whoever won the camp competition that week . As a 7/8 year old for some reason I stil recall him bringing his own snooker balls in a small brown case and I watched him leave in a Mercedes ( a rare car back then ). Happy carefree times .
I’ve only just realised, if you include the foul, this was a 151 break!
Amazing he fluked the first red and still ran out. Life can be so very cruel as his phone call to his wife afterward proves. Canada's cue world places this man at the top, a living legend.
I am so sorry he and partner lost a Baby, same day, so sad. ❤️
The over dramatised music in the background,just not necessary
I remember meeting Cliff in Regina Saskatchewan in the late 1960s when he came into town to put on a snooker demonstration. His friend Don Blair arranged tickets for my dad and me. Although my dad was a pretty good snooker player, and won some trophies in Liverpool England, he had never seen a century break live until Cliff's demonstration....Good times 50 years ago.
I had an early breakfast with Cliff many years back in Sheffield. It was fascinating to listen to his stories. It was, however, the longest breakfast I ever had, but Cliff didn’t seem to notice. Lovely man.
I'm from gaudy, angst ridden, jaded, Southern California and I recently fell in love with Snooker. There, I said it. Let all those with ears hear.
Okay, but please don't bring your posionous Kommiefornia politics with you - we don't want your insanity.
I’d never heard of Cliff Thorburn until I watched him on tv playing snooker in England ,even though he lived only two hundred miles south of me when he was in Canada. Until today I never knew he was the first to break a 147. Happy for him but sad about the loss of his baby.
Thankyou Cliff Thorburn. Class is indeed, permanent.
40 years ago. The first 147. Great memory. I think this was the match that finished at near 4am?
It finished around 3.50 a.m., but one of the reasons for that was because the afternoon session (different players) also finished way over the scheduled time. They didn't get pulled off as they do in the modern era. Thorburn and Griffiths didn't start the evening session until after 9 pm. The cameras stopped filming at 2am as they wouldn't pay any more overtime. At around 12-10 to Cliff, the cameramen packed up and left. The last 3 frames were not recorded, so they were not televised.
First 147 on tv was Steve Davis 1982
So TG fouls giving 4 points away, and then he shoots a maximum. That's a 151 break.
Foul points not included
Jimmy Robertson recently scored 178 at a tournament, not sure what the high break of the frame was but it wasn't 178!
No, a break is made by the player, not the opponent. Fouls don't enter into it.
What about Selby then does his not count?
He hadn't made it at this stage of the match. This video was done at the interval, and he did it afterwards